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Steve_W
06-28-2005, 03:33 AM
Hey everybody. I have chosen to make this log since there are endless questions on sesathin asked. Perhaps it will help some people.
Here is the new sesathin write-up:
http://www.mindandmuscle.net/content/page-362.html
Sesathin can be purchased here:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/al/sesa.html
Goals: Bulking, whilst keeping gains as lean as possible.
Age 20.
Stats: Around 6', 74kg, 9-10% bodyfat though I think it's more on the 9 side.
Other supps: Primaforce Lean Green, fish oil caps, multi and primaforce creaform
Diet and workout program: I'm not going to post my workout as it is not designed by myself, so for privacy reasons the general gist of it is a 4 day split Mon: Upper, Wed: Lower, Thur: Upper, Sat: Lower. Diet is very clean, about 3700-3800 on workout days and non workout days vary depending on my activity. If I incorporate sprints/cardio around 3300-400, same on soccer days. If not much activity, around 2800-3000.
I plan to take 1/2 dosing of sesathin a day. 1.25ml with breakfast, and half that at night with my late night meal. Breakfast = around 750kcal, 100g of carb or so, 50g protein and like 23g of fat. This was my reasoning for taking teh full dose at breakfast.
However, I'm thinking of reversing this though, or even dropping the half serving. Reason being, a friend of mine commented on how FFA's are being oxidised more at night, it's more glycogen sparing this way and he believes it is better. I'd like other opinions on this. So if this were the case it'd be the 1/2 at breakfast, and the full in the evening, though I may drop the 1/2 altogether in favour of the one dose a day to a) Make the bottle last longer b) Do not want it to hinder gains, I'm not sure if the additional 1/2 is really that necessary. Please comment as you see necessary.
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28/6/05:
Took my first sesathin dose with oats+lecithin mix, and chicken breast with salad. I felt pretty light headed and flushed soon after. I also felt alot more hot. I had a headache and felt pretty drowsy for the rest of the afternoon and am still feeling the effects slightly also. Anyone know what the hell?
I'm about to eat my evening meal and I will take the half dose. Nothing other to report at the moment.
40-Yard Dash_2
06-28-2005, 03:51 AM
Hey everybody. I have chosen to make this log since there are endless questions on sesathin asked. Perhaps it will help some people.
Here is the new sesathin write-up:
http://www.mindandmuscle.net/content/page-362.html
Sesathin can be purchased here:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/al/sesa.html
Goals: Bulking, whilst keeping gains as lean as possible.
Age 20.
Stats: Around 6', 74kg, 9-10% bodyfat though I think it's more on the 9 side.
Other supps: Primaforce Lean Green, fish oil caps, multi and primaforce creaform
Diet and workout program: I'm not going to post my workout as it is not designed by myself, so for privacy reasons the general gist of it is a 4 day split Mon: Upper, Wed: Lower, Thur: Upper, Sat: Lower. Diet is very clean, about 3700-3800 on workout days and non workout days vary depending on my activity. If I incorporate sprints/cardio around 3300-400, same on soccer days. If not much activity, around 2800-3000.
I plan to take 1/2 dosing of sesathin a day. 1.25ml with breakfast, and half that at night with my late night meal. Breakfast = around 750kcal, 100g of carb or so, 50g protein and like 23g of fat. This was my reasoning for taking teh full dose at breakfast.
However, I'm thinking of reversing this though, or even dropping the half serving. Reason being, a friend of mine commented on how FFA's are being oxidised more at night, it's more glycogen sparing this way and he believes it is better. I'd like other opinions on this. So if this were the case it'd be the 1/2 at breakfast, and the full in the evening, though I may drop the 1/2 altogether in favour of the one dose a day to a) Make the bottle last longer b) Do not want it to hinder gains, I'm not sure if the additional 1/2 is really that necessary. Please comment as you see necessary.
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28/6/05:
Took my first sesathin dose with oats+lecithin mix, and chicken breast with salad. I felt pretty light headed and flushed soon after. I also felt alot more hot. I had a headache and felt pretty drowsy for the rest of the afternoon and am still feeling the effects slightly also. Anyone know what the hell?
I'm about to eat my evening meal and I will take the half dose. Nothing other to report at the moment.
Good luck bro! Today is my 7th day of Sesathin, but I haven't lost anything, in fact, I've actually gained a pound. I am using it to clean bulk with. Because it is only the 7th day, I'll hold off passing judgement on this product.
Brilluminati
06-28-2005, 04:24 AM
Good luck bro! Today is my 7th day of Sesathin, but I haven't lost anything, in fact, I've actually gained a pound. I am using it to clean bulk with. Because it is only the 7th day, I'll hold off passing judgement on this product.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldnt the results of the Sesathin not be visible when you weigh yourself? If you're bulking the weight that you may have lost by using the supplement is negated with the lean muscle mass that you are gaining.
I would imagine that someone that was cutting would experience more weight loss..right?
uhockey
06-28-2005, 04:33 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldnt the results of the Sesathin not be visible when you weigh yourself? If you're bulking the weight that you may have lost by using the supplement is negated with the lean muscle mass that you are gaining.
I would imagine that someone that was cutting would experience more weight loss..right?
Correct. When bulking the goal is to minimize fat gains and allow for better nutrient partitioning.
wanttobefit
06-28-2005, 10:00 AM
Took my first sesathin dose with oats+lecithin mix, and chicken breast with salad. I felt pretty light headed and flushed soon after. I also felt alot more hot. I had a headache and felt pretty drowsy for the rest of the afternoon and am still feeling the effects slightly also. Anyone know what the hell?
Hi,
I too took my first dose of sesathin this morning and felt exactly the same as you did. I choose sesathin because there were supposedly no weird side effects! Can any one else chime in on their reactions.
I worry beacuse I have had nasty side effects with supplements that have stimulants.
BTW I am female...5" tall, 103lbs, should I lower the dose? I took the recommended 1.25ml.
Steve_W
06-29-2005, 03:15 AM
G'day folks. I am absolutely knackered. Took my first dose with breakfast this morning: 2 eggs, oats, milk, a little brown sugar. A few hours later I had soccer training, and the coach decided to be brutal with us today, ugh. Anyway, went home and a few hours later mustered up the energy and completed my lower body workout as planned and I feel good, but tired.
COMPLETE anecdote, but my lower abs which is my usual problem area looks leaner (well, more defined) and I can see tiny striations on my chest. I won't go as far as attributing this to sesathin since I have only taken like 2.5 servings so far, but none the less, it's pretty impressive since I have been gaining weight. As far as the side effects go, I noticed no ill side effects today, so it must of been a first time thing yesterday. Did notice a bit of increased heat, but nothing serious. Soon to take the 1/2 serving with my late night meal, though I'm seriously considering dropping the 1/2 altogether.
Diet is 100% clean as normal, I'm not sure if I will be cheating while I keep this log, though it will be interesting to take sesathin for a test drive whilst eating less than ideal foods, so I will see what happens.
So far I have not noticed any particular flatness, and my libido has been pretty **** due to lack of sleep, so I can't say it has affected that either.
Par Deus
06-29-2005, 03:33 AM
What if you can visibly see some minimal fat gain, because that is my situation.
It is not magic.
And, it is certainly possible to out eat it.
You haven't even told us how many calories you are eating, what the macro breakdown is, or what type of foods.
Par Deus
06-29-2005, 03:36 AM
For the other 2 posters, I've not heard of SesaThin making people particularly fatigued (and, there isn't any reason it really should). It is likely just coincidence, but please continue to update.
Steve_W
06-29-2005, 03:41 AM
For the other 2 posters, I've not heard of SesaThin making people particularly fatigued (and, there isn't any reason it really should). It is likely just coincidence, but please continue to update.
I assume it was. I felt very strange after my first dosing yesterday but today I feel fine. The fatigue today was due to activity, definitely not sesathin.
Steve_W
06-29-2005, 04:41 AM
Quick update:
After my evening half serving I got that same symptoms as day 1. Instant headache and generally not a nice feeling. However I did not shake the bottle, the same as day one. Could the extra potency cause side effects like this? This morning I shook the bottle but this evening I forgot.
uhockey
06-29-2005, 05:40 AM
Sir, I never said it was magic, but I appreciate you trying to help me out. I'm eating 300-500 cals over maintenance, it varies from day to day. . These are a list of foods I eat on a daily basis: Oatmeal, pinto beans, wheat bread, brown rice, egg whites/whole eggs, chicken breast, fat-free cheese, skim milk, canned tuna/salmon, all natural peanut butter, 1 serving of broccoli a day, whey protein isolate, and turkey. As far as the carbs go, I generally eat 2 servings at each meal. For example, breakast, I'll have 2 cups of dried oats, which is 52 carbs, and 300 cals. I do the same with my pinto beans, and brown rice, so you see I take in a good amount of carbs per meal, and obviously, per day.
That still doesn't give a macro breakdown and as I'm not seeing Flax, Fish Oil, Lecithin, Olive Oil, you are likely not eating nearly enough fat. Additionally, 1 serving of broccoli is all your veggies for the day? That is WAY too few. 2 cups of dried oats is 600 calories (1/2cup is a serving.)
Additionally, I do believe this is Steve's log and as such what you are doing is thread jacking. PM Par if necessary.
Brilluminati
06-29-2005, 06:21 AM
Your right, this is thread jacking, and sorry I forgot to list every single supplement and oil I take. I was just typing off the top of my head. Of course I take fish oil, and I use olive oil to cook 1 to 2 of my meals with. Usually my breakfast meal and my dinner meal. I only eat 2 servings of veggies per day, I take 2 multi's, and 2 grams of Vitamin C a day. I hope I did not leave anything else out. By the way, why were you so quick to jump on me? I have not said one negative thing about you or sesathin. Sorry Steve.
Good luck bro! Today is my 7th day of Sesathin, but I haven't lost anything, in fact, I've actually gained a pound. I am using it to clean bulk with. Because it is only the 7th day, I'll hold off passing judgement on this product.
Bro, its probably because this is a log, not a review thread. Plus while your opinion may be valued on the product, posting incomplete information causes most people to assume that you arent using the product right.
You cant just say, "I tried this product and it didnt work for me," or "I'm not seeing any results."
The correct way to put this would be, "I'm bulking/cutting and I'm eating xxx and I'm working out this way, but I'm not getting any results from this. Can someone help?"
Sorry if it seems like uhockey jumped on you...from what I've seen, he isnt the type to do that at all...everyone is here to help...well almost everyone :-)
Sixpack
06-29-2005, 08:08 AM
Nice log Steve I look forward to your results
Steve_W
06-30-2005, 01:55 AM
No sides to report today. I made sure I shook the bottle before use and didn't have any problems.
Had a great upper body workout, and I seem so much more vascular since starting sesathin. It's definitely something I noticed since the beginning, I was never this vascular prior to sesathin and I don't think my bodyfat has changed. My lower ab region is certainly looking tighter, and I am up 600g since last week (about 1lb) with no change in bodyfat, I am infact looking more defined since starting sesathin a couple of days ago. I noticing less water retention and I am eating more. So far, I am impressed though it is still early days so I think it would be foolish to attribute everything to sesathin, but none the less, the results I am getting is impressive.
On a side not, my hamstrings were so sore today after yesterday's workout, had to hobble to the gym today, haha. Overall, so far I am feeling good - no flatness or decrease in libido with my 1/2 dosage a day.
saw14
06-30-2005, 05:10 AM
its nice to see how others react to sesathin. im interested to see the result for you steve. i got your pm and ill catch you when i get a chance at some point.
xxghostxx
06-30-2005, 07:36 AM
Good luck with everything with this Sesathin log Mr. Steve. It'll be interesting to get feedback from you as we both started this around the same time and have similar diets/stats.
Sixpack
06-30-2005, 07:56 AM
Well steve to let ya know if you are gaining great I am taking it 2x per day but may cut back hell I am taking in 4300 cals 450carbs and 350 protein 90's gs of fat and not gaining a whole lot may cut back to 1x per day
uhockey
06-30-2005, 08:09 AM
Sorry if it seems like uhockey jumped on you...from what I've seen, he isnt the type to do that at all...everyone is here to help...well almost everyone :-)
wtf? Apparently you've not read many posts. :)
Power-Quest
06-30-2005, 10:13 AM
I am also following this log ,i just recieved my leaky bottle yesterday , and started taken it today.
This log will be a good source of info on sesathin and what i can expect from it myself.
Nice log , reps.
Steve_W
07-02-2005, 09:18 AM
I have such motivation right now. I don't know what's causing it, but I've never felt so good about my diet, workout or life in general, everything is going well.
Again, no more sides to report from sesathin. Nothing much has differed in the last couple of days. Abs are looking tighter, especially the lower region and my vascularity has increased immensely.
Last weeks weigh in: 74kg 9.2% bodyfat
As of this Saturday: 74.9 9% bodyfat
Pretty damn impressive. Sesathin with a modestly hypercaloric diet is amazing. Obviously the results are slower than if I was to eat more, but until I want to put on muscle quicker, I am just fine with this approach.
Once again, no side effects at all to report. No flatness, libido is just fine. Water retention continues to be nil, I definitely am tighter and retain less water. I typically retain quite a bit of water. Very impressive thus far. I had high expectations for this product and it is certainly living upto them. I noticed changes pretty damn fast as well, and I'm sure it wasn't a placebo effect either.
Haha, also the chick at the reception desk at the gym commented to me today "Ooo, you've beefed up alot. Look at all that muscle on you." :D
Sixpack
07-02-2005, 10:31 AM
haha not kidding, keep u the great works steve
wtf? Apparently you've not read many posts. :)
biggie55
07-03-2005, 07:47 AM
I just stared Sesathin as well, and have experienced the "warm feeling" after using it. My experince differs a little bit. I feel slightly diaphoretic along with feeling hot after a dose. Does anyone know what this is attributed to just curious. I don't realy mind the sides it just gives me reinforcement by "feeling the prduct work."
40-Yard Dash_2
07-03-2005, 08:30 AM
I just stared Sesathin as well, and have experienced the "warm feeling" after using it. My experince differs a little bit. I feel slightly diaphoretic along with feeling hot after a dose. Does anyone know what this is attributed to just curious. I don't realy mind the sides it just gives me reinforcement by "feeling the prduct work."
I don't know dude, but I get the same hot feeling around 20-30 mins after taking it. It's weird!
biggie55
07-06-2005, 01:52 AM
can anyone chime concerning the hot feeling shortly after ingestion?
Steve_W
07-06-2005, 05:51 AM
Ok, haven't posted in a few days because the results have been much the same, so I didn't think there was too much merit in posting. No more sides to report.
To be honest, before purchasing sesathin I was worried about its "anti-anabolic" properties, however I am finding I am gaining muscle at a more than reasonable rate while bodyfat stays the same. No muscle flatness, no loss of libido. So far this product is certainly living upto expectations. Over the last couple of days I did not see the pronounced effects I noticed almost immediately, however it is continuing the good work. I'd like to stress it isn't a magic potion. You can out-eat sesathin. However, with that said, as I have mentioned before it is definitely something worth considering (in my opinion with my experience so far), especially if you have problems with bodyfat levels like myself whilst trying to add some mass and even from a non aesthetic related angle, it is super for overall health. If I can make the time, I will be getting my serum trigs tested, and compare the results to that of 3 weeks ago (I had a medical then.) Nothing has really changed in my diet or activity apart from the addition of sesathin so it will be interesting to see the results.
I will continue this log for a month since it's start. As I mentioned, I'm not seeing the pronounced effects of sesathin like the first week, but by the end of a months usage I feel I'll be able to evaluate this product properly.
(On a side note, good morning's give me more DOMs in my hamstrings than anything I have done before!)
Power-Quest
07-06-2005, 08:40 AM
Excellant update Steve , i look in the log section everyday in hopes to see more info on sesathin.
I look forward to taken every dose myself , i'm addicted to healthy fat products. Same with taken my fish oil.
"You can out-eat sesathin" I like that line , it lets people know they have to work at it too.
TheCypher
07-06-2005, 01:22 PM
Quick update:
After my evening half serving I got that same symptoms as day 1. Instant headache and generally not a nice feeling. However I did not shake the bottle, the same as day one. Could the extra potency cause side effects like this? This morning I shook the bottle but this evening I forgot.
I have to agree with the instant headache. It is kinda strange that you get it instantly. I just started taking SesaThin since Sunday. And I have got this instant light headache at least 3 to 4 times so far. I only take 1 ml and just twice a day. The headache does go away in a little while though. And it is not like a pounding headache it is very dull. Other than that I have not seen any side effects so far. Wonder about the instant headache. What the heck could it be? Just seems unreal that you get it like in seconds after you put take the dose.
Now I am wondering if I didn't shake the bottle enough each time I got the headache because it does not happen everytime. No hot feeling though like some of you have mentioned above. Libido is probably a little down but too early to tell.
Taffin
07-10-2005, 04:19 AM
I haven't been taking Sesathin that long, but I don't think I've had a single headache the whole time. Perhaps it's reacting to your other supps? All I'm on is creatine, Sesathin, Leptigen Mass, and ZMA (for the dreams, haha). I'm on a ton of anti-inflammatories for my Ulcerative Colitis (digestive disease like Crohn's), though.
40-Yard Dash_2
07-10-2005, 04:34 AM
I haven't been taking Sesathin that long, but I don't think I've had a single headache the whole time. Perhaps it's reacting to your other supps? All I'm on is creatine, Sesathin, Leptigen Mass, and ZMA (for the dreams, haha). I'm on a ton of anti-inflammatories for my Ulcerative Colitis (digestive disease like Crohn's), though.
Hello, we must be related. I've got Crohn's, but luckily, it's been under control for the past year with zero problems. I was diagnosed last last June and given prednisone for 8 weeks, and since then, its almost like I never even had the damn thing. Although, it just about killed me, because the doctors could not figure out what was wrong with me, so I was dropping weight like crazy. I lost just under 40 pounds in a month's time.
Steve_W
07-10-2005, 04:46 PM
Been a little while since I've updated, I apologise.
Progress is still very steady. I am gaining good weight at a very encouraging rate, I am more vascular and calories are high.
Last weeks weigh in 74.9kg
This week: 76.2kg
That's 2.3kg and my bodyfat hasn't changed, it still remains perfectly respectable. Other factors are doing extremely well too, that's not down to sesathin primarily but since I am maintaining a good physique and gaining weight, psychologically I feel better and am a ton more confident. Really impressive supp., and I have decided if I get a bit of spare cash anytime soon I would love to try SyntheSIZE, as Sesathin is certainly living upto its reputation.
David77
07-13-2005, 09:56 PM
Sesathin probably only flattens when on a calorie deficit. I'm curently cutting and this is my first day taking Sesathin. I am impressed so far, but it's too early to really tell. After a couple days I'll know for sure. I have already noticed a little flatness. I almost look like I did when I tried keto, but not quite as bad, and no horrible side effects like the keto diet gave me.
( S I C )
07-13-2005, 10:10 PM
Been a little while since I've updated, I apologise.
Progress is still very steady. I am gaining good weight at a very encouraging rate, I am more vascular and calories are high.
Last weeks weigh in 74.9kg
This week: 76.2kg
That's 2.3kg and my bodyfat hasn't changed, it still remains perfectly respectable. Other factors are doing extremely well too, that's not down to sesathin primarily but since I am maintaining a good physique and gaining weight, psychologically I feel better and am a ton more confident. Really impressive supp., and I have decided if I get a bit of spare cash anytime soon I would love to try SyntheSIZE, as Sesathin is certainly living upto its reputation.
Can you post up a link regarding Synthesize ?
Keep up the good work bro I'm in the same boat as Six as I've increased my calories dramatically (from 2500 to 4000) and haven't been able to gain a thing. Sesathin is truly amazing.
Par Deus
07-14-2005, 09:30 AM
SyntheSIZE is not out yet. There is a bit of info on our site that you could find with a search.
( S I C )
07-14-2005, 07:22 PM
SyntheSIZE is not out yet. There is a bit of info on our site that you could find with a search.
Sorry for hijacking thread, thanx.
Steve_W
07-17-2005, 06:18 PM
Sorry about the lack of updates, I have been pretty busy.
Weight: 76.2kg
Bodyfat: 9%
Good weight is continuing to come on steadily, haven't seen any fat gain. Sesathin is doing a fantastic job.
On a side note, I had a very gluttonous day last week. I took about 5-6 servings of sesathin throughout the day as I ate like a pig, and there was absolutely minimal bloat. Really cool. I was pretty flat on the morning after though, but that was just temporary as I started eating properly and took 4g of creatine which seemed to solve the problem. Other than that, nothing other to report. Sesathin seems to be a great all-round supp, extremely effective for lean bulking.
kingmob
07-18-2005, 01:02 PM
Fellas, a few questions for you.
I'm on a diet right now, trying to cut down to 190lbs, got about another 7-8 stubborn pounds to go. I just ordered sesathin, trying to give it a little boost. I'm on a modified Atkins Diet, eating probably around 1200-1500lbs a day. Lost a a crapload of weight over the last 6-8weeks already, exercising and lifting. Been Taking Green Tea extract and ECA Stacker 2 to supplement.
What do you guys think about adding this to the mix? Shoud it help the weight loss? Good boost to go along with ECA? Can I cheat more frequently?(I need to get a few normal meals). Last time I Cheated for a day and a half and gained 2,5lbs right away.
Cynical_Simian
07-18-2005, 03:54 PM
Fellas, a few questions for you.
I'm on a diet right now, trying to cut down to 190lbs, got about another 7-8 stubborn pounds to go. I just ordered sesathin, trying to give it a little boost. I'm on a modified Atkins Diet, eating probably around 1200-1500lbs a day. Lost a a crapload of weight over the last 6-8weeks already, exercising and lifting. Been Taking Green Tea extract and ECA Stacker 2 to supplement.
What do you guys think about adding this to the mix? Shoud it help the weight loss? Good boost to go along with ECA? Can I cheat more frequently?(I need to get a few normal meals). Last time I Cheated for a day and a half and gained 2,5lbs right away.
Add two things: calories and a new thread since you're hijacking this one.
Nice log so far, Steve. I've been considering getting Sesathin for a while but have been a bit skeptical of the nature of its benefits. From the rapid weight loss and increase in vascularity that most people report and anecdotes like your cheat, it's clearly great for reducing water retention and looking tighter. I was hoping that you could comment on the how much of it actually affects bodyfat, since that's what would seem to make it worth $30 a month. Something like a comparison of your fat gain (or lack thereof) with Sesathin to previous clean bulks without it would be helpful.
Steve_W
07-18-2005, 06:21 PM
Add two things: calories and a new thread since you're hijacking this one.
Nice log so far, Steve. I've been considering getting Sesathin for a while but have been a bit skeptical of the nature of its benefits. From the rapid weight loss and increase in vascularity that most people report and anecdotes like your cheat, it's clearly great for reducing water retention and looking tighter. I was hoping that you could comment on the how much of it actually affects bodyfat, since that's what would seem to make it worth $30 a month. Something like a comparison of your fat gain (or lack thereof) with Sesathin to previous clean bulks without it would be helpful.
I would say I have noticed it targeting bodyfat more than anything else. I have been putting on muscle and looking "tighter". I may have lost a smidge of bodyfat, but that isn't really my goal. My goal is to gain while having no change in bodyfat. I recommend this product to you if your goals are similar to mine, I would recommend 1-1.5 servings of sesathin a day depending on your ability to gain fat, personally I have been taking the half dose as I am eating more. Couple that with a modest hypercaloric clean diet and a good weight training/exercise routine and this product is fantastic.
I hope I have answered your question. Basically my last "bulk" I gained too much fat, so I had to do a very slow bulk to gain whilst staying lean. Sesathin enables me to eat quite a bit more, and gain muscle at a faster rate whilst staying lean. It also is very effective for gluttony, though that is definitely not the reason I recommend this product; having an excuse to binge because one has sesathin is silly.
samos1
07-18-2005, 07:02 PM
Sounds like it's working wonders steve. I might end up biting the bullet and buying 1-2 bottles and giving it a go.
2 questions:
- How much did it cost you (AU) for one or however many bottles including shipping and roughly how long will one bottle last? (planning on cutting very slowly a few more lbs over the next month or so, then adding some lean mass.
- What do you take your dosage with (another fat source? fish oil?) Or just by itself morning and night?
Actually, one more -- any more information on that bad feeling or headache?
regards
Sam
Steve_W
07-18-2005, 07:11 PM
Sounds like it's working wonders steve. I might end up biting the bullet and buying 1-2 bottles and giving it a go.
2 questions:
- How much did it cost you (AU) for one or however many bottles including shipping and roughly how long will one bottle last? (planning on cutting very slowly a few more lbs over the next month or so, then adding some lean mass.
- What do you take your dosage with (another fat source? fish oil?) Or just by itself morning and night?
Actually, one more -- any more information on that bad feeling or headache?
regards
Sam
About $40 AU for a bottle, I bought 2 bottles with some other stuff from n u t r a p l a n e t and paid only $15 US for delivery. Order a few bottles by themselves or with other light stuff and if you order it from the right websites, delivery isn't too bad. I take a 1/2 dose a day, so it'll last me around 60 days. If you were to take the full dose you'd be looking at 30 days which would work out too expensive to my liking and doesn't coincide with my goals anyway.
I take a full serving with my breakfast (high carb and fat) and a half serving with an evening meal with 10+g of fat. On workout days I keep the full serving away from my workout, so I'll take it at breakfast and the half at night. On Saturday where I workout in the morning I take a 1/2 with breakfast, then none around the workout area and the full serving again later on. You can take it with fish oil though it's not mandatory, it works best with your largest meals, preferably highest in carbs and fat since the fat aids in lymphatic uptake.
Regarding the bad feeling, I noticed this instantly during the first couple of days. I had a headache and felt lightheaded but this ceased after about 1.5-2 days of use.
samos1
07-18-2005, 08:19 PM
Looks like i'll order 2 bottles of it then and give it a go. Is it in liquid gel form? What's the recommendation on places to acquire it?
Steve_W
07-18-2005, 08:29 PM
Looks like i'll order 2 bottles of it then and give it a go. Is it in liquid gel form? What's the recommendation on places to acquire it?
Only liquid form currently though that's not a big deal. I think it may be temporaily sold out at the moment, though I will PM you with places to buy from.
Cynical_Simian
07-18-2005, 09:57 PM
I would say I have noticed it targeting bodyfat more than anything else. I have been putting on muscle and looking "tighter". I may have lost a smidge of bodyfat, but that isn't really my goal. My goal is to gain while having no change in bodyfat. I recommend this product to you if your goals are similar to mine, I would recommend 1-1.5 servings of sesathin a day depending on your ability to gain fat, personally I have been taking the half dose as I am eating more. Couple that with a modest hypercaloric clean diet and a good weight training/exercise routine and this product is fantastic.
I hope I have answered your question. Basically my last "bulk" I gained too much fat, so I had to do a very slow bulk to gain whilst staying lean. Sesathin enables me to eat quite a bit more, and gain muscle at a faster rate whilst staying lean. It also is very effective for gluttony, though that is definitely not the reason I recommend this product; having an excuse to binge because one has sesathin is silly.
Awesome...answered my question perfectly. That was exactly the type of comparison I needed to see before deciding to buy it. Thanks for your help.
kingmob
07-19-2005, 07:25 AM
You can buy it right here at bodybuilding.com, they have it in stock
Steve_W
07-25-2005, 04:38 PM
My progress has been pretty steady, but I am going to cut this log slightly short because of a pretty serious injury, so training..and hell even walking isn't happening much at the moment.
I'm going to give my honest feedback about SesaThin.
It has definitely helped me eat more and stay lean whilst gaining at a reasonable weight. With that said though, you can out-eat it. It certainly isn't magical, but is a good bulking aid when combined with good nutrition/training.
To summarize, SesaThin™:
Increases fat burning
Decreases fat storage
Combats elevated cholesterol
Potent anti-oxidant
Potent anti-inflammatory
Increases fat burning and Decreases fat storage
I can't really comment on this due to being hypercaloric but it has certainly stopped any excess fat gain. This was made clear to me during a day of gluttonous activity where the bloat/water gain was minimal..and I ate alot that day.
Combats elevated cholestrol?
I went and got my serum trigs tested a week ago to compare them to the results of my medical ~5 weeks ago..basically before I started SesaThin. Needless to say, they went down from 67, to 43. Pretty impressive. I attribute this only to Sesathin as nothing else diet/routine wise has changed.
Stimulant free
This may be the case, however I did notice unexplained strange sides within the first couple of days, and I appear to not be the only one. However, these seemed to cease after 1-2 days usage.
Is SesaThin worth the money?
Imo, yes. While bulking, in most individuals it's only really necessary to take 1-1.5 servings, combined with a modest hypercaloric diet + good routine. This will last you on average 60-90 days. I know I could spare the room in my budget for 4-6 bottles a year on SesaThin if kept at its current price. If cutting, the choice is really yours. I cannot comment from a cutting standpoint, but from all the positive reviews, it seems to provide excellent results.
Overall, I'd give this product an 8.5/10. I haven't experienced anything mind blowing from it, and the results have been less pronounced since the first week or so of usage, but since I'm hypercaloric that is expected. It is consistent and definitely a good bulking aid.
BluSilver
07-25-2005, 05:22 PM
Good log. I think I'll get some for my bulk now that you've convinced me it doesn't impede muscle gains.
BTW how'd you hurt your leg (is it your leg)?
TheCypher
07-25-2005, 06:39 PM
Steve,
Just a quick question about your bulking routine. Did you do cardio while bulking? If so how much per week?
Sorry to hear about your injury dude. Hope you recover from it soon.
Take care,
TheCypher
Steve_W
07-25-2005, 07:10 PM
Steve,
Just a quick question about your bulking routine. Did you do cardio while bulking? If so how much per week?
Sorry to hear about your injury dude. Hope you recover from it soon.
Take care,
TheCypher
I worked out 4 days per week, cardio was almost nil. I did however play soccer and am reasonably active. If I wasn't doing much I'd do sprints 1-2 times a week, otherwise specific cardio was reasonably non-existant.
Steve_W
07-25-2005, 07:12 PM
Good log. I think I'll get some for my bulk now that you've convinced me it doesn't impede muscle gains.
BTW how'd you hurt your leg (is it your leg)?
Yes, leg. I raptured my ACL almost 2 years ago, went through rehab etc and haven't had any trouble in 9 months or so. It just completely gave way. So lots of inflammation + pain. Hopefully SesaThin's anti-inflammatory benefits will help out, though I'm not sure as to how effective they are.
samos1
09-23-2005, 09:39 AM
Regarding sesamin (the product I purchased) I've noticed exactly the same effects on days 1 and 2.. more so after taking a stim before training (caffeine/guarana/synphrine).
I had a real light headed feeling on the way to the gym. I considered pulling over, I was thinking wtf..
Just took my dose before bed and am feeling it a little (bit warmer) but no weird light headed strange overcoming feeling that I had.. was quite disturbing. It's only the third day so I'm probably adjusting, I'll see how tomorrow goes.. just thought I'd give my input.