Best Overall Protein Bars?

[Georgieboi]

TRI-O-PLEX bars, apple caramel, or the newer TRI-O-PLEX duo, PEANUT butter. absolutely amazing bars.

[rajabhau]

Although these are not exactly protein bars, I like the Natures Path Optimum rebound bars very much. They have 10 gms protein and cost 98c at walmart..

[deeppurple71]

when it comes to which nutrition/protein bar, for me their's no contest. it has to be the organic food bars. their simply the best. reasons:-
1) organic
2) vegan
3) 100% natural
4) no added sugar
5) contain exactly the right amount of protein the body can digest at one time

only downside, i live here in the UK and they cost almost double the price you get them over in the US. so, if anyone's planning a vacation to come over here. any chance you could bring over a few dozen boxes? protein and belgian choc chip pls!!!!!!!!!!

cheers

[Sam666]

when it comes to which nutrition/protein bar, for me their's no contest. it has to be the organic food bars. their simply the best. reasons:-
1) organic
2) vegan
3) 100% natural
4) no added sugar
5) contain exactly the right amount of protein the body can digest at one time

only downside, i live here in the UK and they cost almost double the price you get them over in the US. so, if anyone's planning a vacation to come over here. any chance you could bring over a few dozen boxes? protein and belgian choc chip pls!!!!!!!!!!

cheersDoesn't cost double you goon ;p, it's cheaper buying from states then UK only thing that gets me is the shipping price and the 2 week long wait but I never get customs charges with the cheapest shipping :)

[PopeGregorius]

when it comes to which nutrition/protein bar, for me their's no contest. it has to be the organic food bars. their simply the best. reasons:-
1) organic
2) vegan
3) 100% natural
4) no added sugar
5) contain exactly the right amount of protein the body can digest at one time

Why do you think organic=vegan??
Why do you think organic=no sugar???
You know cyanide is natural??
As for "the right amount of protein", i wont dignify that with a reply.

[40-Yard Dash_2]

In case anyone was wondering, the Sustain Bars are now back in stock here at bb.com, so check out the new flavor, Vanilla Almond. It's also available in Peanut Butter Fudge.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/design/sustain.html

[uhockey]

In case anyone was wondering, the Sustain Bars are now back in stock here at bb.com, so check out the new flavor, Vanilla Almond. It's also available in Peanut Butter Fudge.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/design/sustain.html

As good as the Peanut Butter Fudge are.......Vanilla Almond is better. Snickers, you got nothing on this.....oh, except Snickers has all the artificial ingredients. :)

[btown99]

I frequently use iron man bars

[retro_roots]

I'm still sticking with my Detour bars. Espically when I can get them for $10 a box.

[bmbutch]

Meal Replacement, I like Labrada Lean Body Cookie Bars. They are great when I don't have time for breakfast. Heat em up in microwave for ~15 seconds, they are great!

Mid afternoon snack: ON Diet Protein Bars. Fudge Truffle are best tasting in my opinion. None of them are as good as a Snickers, but they can take the sweet tooth edge away.

[uhockey]

Meal Replacement, I like Labrada Lean Body Cookie Bars. They are great when I don't have time for breakfast. Heat em up in microwave for ~15 seconds, they are great!

Mid afternoon snack: ON Diet Protein Bars. Fudge Truffle are best tasting in my opinion. None of them are as good as a Snickers, but they can take the sweet tooth edge away.

Considering the ingredient profile, they may as well be snickers.

[Sixpack]

Ain't that the truth, this is the case for so many bars


Considering the ingredient profile, they may as well be snickers.

[Crunchbar]

a lot of the bars mentioned have partially hydrogenated palm oil doesnt that mean trans fat?

btw I went to the gnc the other day, 25 or 35 dollar boxes (i forget exact price) of detour bars for 8 dollars a box. I bought 3 boxes, they are good stuff!! a lot of sugar alcohals tho, think there will downsides because of the alchohals?

[Sixpack]

THe sustain bars do not as well as the VPX bars do not I belive all natural ingredients without all the added fillers


a lot of the bars mentioned have partially hydrogenated palm oil doesnt that mean trans fat?

btw I went to the gnc the other day, 25 or 35 dollar boxes (i forget exact price) of detour bars for 8 dollars a box. I bought 3 boxes, they are good stuff!! a lot of sugar alcohals tho, think there will downsides because of the alchohals?

[Jayman30187]

Emulsifier what is this? it's in the Sustain bar?

[40-Yard Dash_2]

Emulsifier what is this? it's in the Sustain bar?

Emulsifiying agents blend two unblendable substances together. Examples of an emulsion are salad dressings and mayo. The emulsifier in the bar is lecithin. It keeps chocolate and cocoa butter in the bar from separating.

[uhockey]

Emulsifiying agents blend two unblendable substances together. Examples of an emulsion are salad dressings and mayo. The emulsifier in the bar is lecithin. It keeps chocolate and cocoa butter in the bar from separating.

^^Food Science classes paying off^^

[GriffyB]

U-Turns are good but expensive, Promax are a good value for the $$

Promax bars taste awesome... but are full of HFCS.
I really like BioNutritional PowerCrunch bars... the cinnamon bun flavor kicks ass! - steer away from the chocolate flavors.. they taste more like a chemistry experiment.

[storm9]

i like the power bar protein plus bars

[italionstallion]

Regarding the failing of label claims, it is true. Detour bars blatantly failed label claims. I'm sure they have since remedied the situation, but facts are facts.

You and Nathan are talking about the regular detour bar, donotswallow has been talking about the oatmeal detour bar, they are different. To my knowledge the oatmeal ones have never failed any testing (don't know if they have ever been independently tested...), and I'm pretty sure the regular ones have been "fixed".

[Coldsweat]

Seemingly every time a protein bar gets mentioned on this site, VPX Zero Impact comes up. Because of all the hype, I purchased a box to see what the fuss was all about.

Pumpkin Supreme has got to be one of the best tasting bars I've ever had, and considering it has an excellent nutritional profile, they will be my first option for some time to come when real food isn't readily available.

And I really like that it doesn't have a "coating." I spend a lot of hours in my convertible and melting bars is a PITA.

Are there any other bars worth trying that don't have the dreaded pseudo-chocolate coating?

[uhockey]

Sustain Bar has real cocoa coating, all natural, but alas it does melt.

I finally tried the Pumpkin Supreme VPX bar and must say it's pretty good. I just wish the bars had less cals.

[Coldsweat]

I'm trying to knock down about 400-500 calories a pop, so right now the VPX bars are perfect.

The sustain bar looks good as well, void of the gas-inducing sweeteners sorbitol and maltitol. I'll give it a try when I get back to the states in a few weeks.

Speaking of those sweeteners, while trying to steer clear of them for the most part, I admittedly do like the peanut butter chocolate chip nitro-tech bar, albeit with the invariable stomach grumble.

[Sixpack]

Yes this is true i guess you could use it as a meal Mike, most my meals I guess are around 400-500, but if u are just looking for a snack ya they are a little much


Sustain Bar has real cocoa coating, all natural, but alas it does melt.

I finally tried the Pumpkin Supreme VPX bar and must say it's pretty good. I just wish the bars had less cals.

[sherdi]

Definitely TRI-O-PLEX.......I tried them when I was in the USA......so delicious and very filling!

[nintendodude]

Best overall protein bar has to go to VPX Zero Impact in my view. It is a complete healthy meal, really. Tastes "good" for a protein bar, but its nutritional profile is what sets it apart from every other bar. Simply amazing. Very cost effectve as a meal replacement, too.

As far as best "tasting" and nutritionally sound bar...Yes, the Sustain bar. I finally ordered some last week, got here today.. Must say I am very impressed at the flavor, mostly because something that tastes this good can't possibly be this healthy. But DS made it happen. This could very well be my "cheat" bar.. That's a compliment, DS guys!

[uhockey]

Best overall protein bar has to go to VPX Zero Impact in my view. It is a complete healthy meal, really. Tastes "good" for a protein bar, but its nutritional profile is what sets it apart from every other bar. Simply amazing. Very cost effectve as a meal replacement, too.

As far as best "tasting" and nutritionally sound bar...Yes, the Sustain bar. I finally ordered some last week, got here today.. Must say I am very impressed at the flavor, mostly because something that tastes this good can't possibly be this healthy. But DS made it happen. This could very well be my "cheat" bar.. That's a compliment, DS guys!

What on earth are you talking about? How/why would Sustain be a "cheat" bar while VPX is a healthy meal? The cals in Sustain are lower, the ingredients are 100% natural, the glycemic index rates as low......I'm absolutely lost here.

I'm not bashing the VPX bar at all, but to call Sustain a cheat bar seems highly unusual......

[The Brotherhood]

What on earth are you talking about? How/why would Sustain be a "cheat" bar while VPX is a healthy meal? The cals in Sustain are lower, the ingredients are 100% natural, the glycemic index rates as low......I'm absolutely lost here.

I'm not bashing the VPX bar at all, but to call Sustain a cheat bar seems highly unusual......

Hes saying it tastes so good hes going to have the classify it as a cheat..Im pretty sure it was meant to be a joke lol.

[Buff_Daddy]

I just wish the bars had less cals.


You could eat 2/3 of the bar at a time... then it would be comparable with the sustain bar.

[Legend23]

Anything that has soy in it is automatically out, because soy will sabotage your efforts. Soy protein contains trypsin inhibitors, which reduces protein synthesis. Several animal studies have shown that providing soy protein as a primary source of protein leads to muscle breakdown. Soy also contains genistein, which has been recognized in several studies as being highly estrogenic. Soy also has phytic acid, which can interrupt with the absorption of several minerals, including zinc. This further plummets your testosterone levels.

There's lots of products out there, and any that follow the general guidelines of whey/casein blends are good. I've had Biotest's Grow! and they're decent.

[uhockey]

Anything that has soy in it is automatically out, because soy will sabotage your efforts. Soy protein contains trypsin inhibitors, which reduces protein synthesis. Several animal studies have shown that providing soy protein as a primary source of protein leads to muscle breakdown. Soy also contains genistein, which has been recognized in several studies as being highly estrogenic. Soy also has phytic acid, which can interrupt with the absorption of several minerals, including zinc. This further plummets your testosterone levels.

There's lots of products out there, and any that follow the general guidelines of whey/casein blends are good. I've had Biotest's Grow! and they're decent.

Negged for promoting ignorant stereotypes.
Soy should not be your primary protein souce, but small amounts are actually likely beneficial in terms of cholestrol levels and cardiovascular health.

[italionstallion]

I just ordered a package of http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/pbl/pure.html which IMO has the best ingredient profile. I'll be sure to update later with taste/texture.

[Dr. Pepper]

Negged for promoting ignorant stereotypes.
Soy should not be your primary protein souce, but small amounts are actually likely beneficial in terms of cholestrol levels and cardiovascular health.

what a bitch

[nintendodude]

What on earth are you talking about? How/why would Sustain be a "cheat" bar while VPX is a healthy meal? The cals in Sustain are lower, the ingredients are 100% natural, the glycemic index rates as low......I'm absolutely lost here.

I'm not bashing the VPX bar at all, but to call Sustain a cheat bar seems highly unusual......
Uhockey, I should clarify..

I have a caloric limit each day for my diet, and the Zero Impact bar has been a staple in that for months now. The Sustain bar, being that it tastes so good and is arguably 'healthier' than a ZI bar, could turn into a little cheat bar for myself. That is to say I won't feel terribly guilty eating a peanut butter fudge or the vanilla almond bar every so often.

Does that make more sense? You're very intelligent, but you do not have to take everything everyone posts that literally. :)

[vegHead]

Im a big fan of the vpx zero impact bars, and am loving the Sustain choc pb bars. But honestly my favorite bars with my personal favorite ingrediant profile are the greens+ bars



Ingredients: Organic peanut butter, whey protein isolate, organic agave nectar, organic quinoa sprout powder, original GREENS+® powder (non-gmo soy lecithin, organic Hawaiian spirulina, organic apple fiber, barley grass powder, wheat grass powder, Japanese chlorella, hydroponic soy sprouts, organic brown rice bran, sprouted barley malt, alfalfa grass powder, royal jelly, Montana bee pollen, acerola berry juice, natural vitamin E, licorice root powder, milk thistle extract, echinacea root extract, Siberian eleuthero root extract, astragalus root extract, licorice root extract, organic red beet juice, dunaliella salina algae, organic Nova Scotia Dulse, organic ginkgo biloba leaf extract, organic Japanese green tea extract, grape seed and skin extract, organic Swedish bilberry extract), extra virgin coconut oil, mixed tocopherols (natural vitamin E).

[Legend23]

Negged for promoting ignorant stereotypes.
Soy should not be your primary protein souce, but small amounts are actually likely beneficial in terms of cholestrol levels and cardiovascular health.

Non-fermented soy has absolutely no place in diet. Especially in protein bars designed for bodybuilding. People are going to consume these as a main source of protein.

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/07abstract.htm


DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH and HUMAN SERVICES Public Health Service Food and Drug Administration National Center For Toxicological Research Jefferson, Ark. 72079-9502 Daniel M. Sheehan, Ph.D. Director, Estrogen Base Program Division of Genetic and Reproductive Toxicology and Daniel R. Doerge, Ph.D. Division of Biochemical Toxicology February 18, 1999 Dockets Management Branch (HFA-305) Food and Drug Administration Rockville, MD 20852

To whom it may concern,

We are writing in reference to Docket # 98P-0683; "Food Labeling: Health Claims; Soy Protein and Coronary Heart Disease." We oppose this health claim because there is abundant evidence that some of the isoflavones found in soy, including genistein and equol, a metabolize of daidzen, demonstrate toxicity in estrogen sensitive tissues and in the thyroid. This is true for a number of species, including humans.

Additionally, the adverse effects in humans occur in several tissues and, apparently, by several distinct mechanisms. Genistein is clearly estrogenic; it possesses the chemical structural features necessary for estrogenic activity (; Sheehan and Medlock, 1995; Tong, et al, 1997; Miksicek, 1998) and induces estrogenic responses in developing and adult animals and in adult humans.

In rodents, equol is estrogenic and acts as an estrogenic endocrine disruptor during development (Medlock, et al, 1995a,b). Faber and Hughes (1993) showed alterations in LH regulation following this developmental treatment with genistein. Thus, during pregnancy in humans, isoflavones per se could be a risk factor for abnormal brain and reproductive tract development.

...

Sincerely,

Daniel M. Sheehan
Daniel R. Doerge


http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=461709
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459516






Finally, Lohrke et al (2001) showed that growing pigs fed a diet consisting of soy as the only source of protein had lower body weights, amino acid imbalances, increased cortisol levels, and increased muscle breakdown. The casein-fed pigs grew normally. This study indicates that a diet containing exclusively a low quality protein (soy in this case) may interfere with normal growth and development.


http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=460048


Male infertility:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/3513607.stm


Would you mind refuting the referenced scientific studies? Or are you going to just be condescending?

Personally...I'm allergic.

[uhockey]

Uhockey, I should clarify..

I have a caloric limit each day for my diet, and the Zero Impact bar has been a staple in that for months now. The Sustain bar, being that it tastes so good and is arguably 'healthier' than a ZI bar, could turn into a little cheat bar for myself. That is to say I won't feel terribly guilty eating a peanut butter fudge or the vanilla almond bar every so often.

Does that make more sense? You're very intelligent, but you do not have to take everything everyone posts that literally. :)

Gotcha. I apologize. It made it sound like you were calling them cheat food. :)


what a bitch

I love you too. Jkeith and I are pretty sweet, IMO.


I just ordered a package of http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/pbl/pure.html which IMO has the best ingredient profile. I'll be sure to update later with taste/texture.

Not a fan of the brown rice syrup, but the macros and everything else look solid. Quite curious how they taste.


Non-fermented soy has absolutely no place in diet. Especially in protein bars designed for bodybuilding. People are going to consume these as a main source of protein.

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/07abstract.htm
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=461709
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459516

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=460048

Would you mind refuting the referenced scientific studies? Or are you going to just be condescending?

Personally...I'm allergic.

No one EVER recommended using protein bars as main protein sources and the amount of soy in MOST bars is minimal (in the <5g range.) Quoting T-nation is a waste of your time as they are highly biased. I can site you 100s of studies on the benefits of soy, well more than you can site as the theoretical negatives, but I'm not a big soy fan, so I don't feel the need. Fact is, the phrase "Anything that has soy in it is automatically out, because soy will sabotage your efforts" is ignorant......it's a complete protein source and the levels of "negative ingredients" are minimal, especially in the doses consumed in these bars.

Pigs do not equal humans and NO ONE here is promoting consuming an entirely soy protein source.

[Legend23]

No one EVER recommended using protein bars as main protein sources and the amount of soy in MOST bars is minimal (in the <5g range.) Quoting T-nation is a waste of your time as they are highly biased. I can site you 100s of studies on the benefits of soy, well more than you can site as the theoretical negatives, but I'm not a big soy fan, so I don't feel the need. Fact is, the phrase "Anything that has soy in it is automatically out, because soy will sabotage your efforts" is ignorant......it's a complete protein source and the levels of "negative ingredients" are minimal, especially in the doses consumed in these bars.

Pigs do not equal humans and NO ONE here is promoting consuming an entirely soy protein source.

Seems much more likely that people would use protein bars as a significant source of protein given the context (body building forum) rather than finding methods to improve cardiovascular health and improving cholesterol, which there are other methods of doing. It seems like the quality of the protein within the protein bar, and its effect on protein absorption and hormone levels is much more relevant to the topic.

Because t-nation cited the scientific studies, they're somehow not legit? Who's biased?

[Legend23]

Here's a human study for ya:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15735098


Inverse associations between soy and prostate cancer and the contribution of hormones to prostate cancer prompted the current study to determine whether soy protein could alter serum hormones in men...In conclusion, soy protein, regardless of isoflavone content, decreased DHT and DHT/testosterone with minor effects on other hormones, providing evidence for some effects of soy protein on hormones. The relevance of the magnitude of these effects to future prostate cancer risk requires further investigation.

No "best overall protein bar" is going to lower testosterone...even a little bit.

[Legend23]

And you suggested that soy was a complete protein, inferring that it is equal to milk based proteins?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15798080&query_hl=5&itool=pubmed_docsum


We used established models of skeletal muscle amino acid turnover to examine how protein source (milk versus soy) acutely affects the processes of MPS and MPB after resistance exercise. Our findings revealed that even when balanced quantities of total protein and energy are consumed that milk proteins are more effective in stimulating amino acid uptake and net protein deposition in skeletal muscle after resistance exercise than are hydrolyzed soy proteins. Importantly, the finding of increased amino acid uptake would be independent of the differences in amino acid composition of the two proteins. We propose that the improved net protein deposition with milk protein consumption is also not due to differences in amino acid composition, but is due to a different pattern of amino acid delivery associated with milk versus hydrolyzed soy proteins. If our acute findings are accurate then we hypothesized that chronically the greater net protein deposition associated with milk protein consumption post-resistance exercise would eventually lead to greater net protein accretion (i.e., muscle fiber hypertrophy), over a longer time period. In young men completing 12 weeks of resistance training (5d/wk) we observed a tendency (P = 0.11) for greater gains in whole body lean mass and whole as greater muscle fiber hypertrophy with consumption of milk. While strength gains were not different between the soy and milk-supplemented groups we would argue that the true significance of a greater increase in lean mass that we observed with milk consumption may be more important in groups of persons with lower initial lean mass and strength such as the elderly.

[uhockey]

I'm done arguing this. You're leaping to conclusions based on A) poor studies, B) non-controlled studies, C) Cancer studies, D) Animal studies, E) Studies using soy as an exclusive protein source.

You are the reason that Reader's Digest is allowed to promote scientific discovery and 99% of the population can be so easily swayed by ignorant media content.

Your promotion of Biotest alone was a tipoff.

If your allergic, don't eat soy.

[uhockey]

And you suggested that soy was a complete protein, inferring that it is equal to milk based proteins?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15798080&query_hl=5&itool=pubmed_docsum

You don't even know what a complete protein is......in no way did I say equal to milk. Once again, inferring. You're now blocked and I'd hope others should do the same. Go back to the T-nation forums.

[Legend23]

He condescendingly calls me ignorant and biased.

He proceeds to ignore the science that I posted, and brush it off as "bad studies." He only mentions scientific studies about irrelevant health benefits of soy, but posts nothing scientifically sound relevant or irrelevant to the topic (I'm not denying that soy has other irrelevant health benefits).

He acts like I'm someone impressionable to mass media, when I independently looked up studies on pub med. Last I recall, the mass media keeps touting soy's health benefits.

Apparently the BBC and scientists are biased, including ones in the FDA.

And apparently, I don't know anything about complete proteins.

WOW.

[jaim91]

A question about the sustain bar: It looks really good. When I finish my "Oh yeah! Strawberry and peanut butter bars, I think I'll try them.

The only thing I question is the 16g of sugar. I'm so used to bars with sugar alcohols. Why do you (uhockey) chose to keep the sugar in rather than relacing it? I'm not accusing or anything because I'm really curious to try them. I'm just wondering.

[Crunchbar]

Legend- i dont agree that you deserve being blocked but i thihnk what uhockey was saying is that even tho soy might have bad effects its benefits outweigh its disadvantages when we are talking about somone who eats a little soy now and then, not somone whos main source of protein is soy. A little soy is good i think, but once you get enough to actually have a sufficent negative impact on testerone ect, then your obvioucly going down the roung path.

[Pointclickcrash]

Taste is one of the most important issues. If your meal replacement bar taste bad, you're wasting your time and money. Many of the people that purchase these items at one time or another has had something stored away they just couldn't choke down. I choose Super cookie crunch based mainly on taste and the 32 grams of protein. It makes a great breakfast bar when your on the go.

[Buff_Daddy]

A question about the sustain bar: It looks really good. When I finish my "Oh yeah! Strawberry and peanut butter bars, I think I'll try them.

The only thing I question is the 16g of sugar. I'm so used to bars with sugar alcohols. Why do you (uhockey) chose to keep the sugar in rather than relacing it? I'm not accusing or anything because I'm really curious to try them. I'm just wondering.



Go with VPX zero impact bars... their profile is alot better... very small amount of sugar, and much better protein sources. Taste great too.

[italionstallion]

Not a fan of the brown rice syrup, but the macros and everything else look solid. Quite curious how they taste.


Why is it you dont like it?

[nintendodude]

I think a lot of posters miss the "best overall" protein bar heading...

My own beliefs are that "best overall" protein bar encompass all aspects of the bar - taste, texture, profile, ingredients, cost, etc.

Some of the bars people choose to post rely solely on taste and/or cost. A few posters choose to post solely on ingredients.

Yes, the Oh Yeah! bars taste great. Like a snickers. They're also as healthy as a snickers. Why would you put them in 'best overall protein bar' category when they really have no place here? Choosing a bar like that is like ordering off the "active lifestyles" or whatever menu at McDonalds.

Guess I'm just venting.. I wish more people would read 'overall' and not post a "bar" that you can put in the microwave and say it tastes like a cookie. You might as well just eat a cookie.

[uhockey]

A question about the sustain bar: It looks really good. When I finish my "Oh yeah! Strawberry and peanut butter bars, I think I'll try them.

The only thing I question is the 16g of sugar. I'm so used to bars with sugar alcohols. Why do you (uhockey) chose to keep the sugar in rather than relacing it? I'm not accusing or anything because I'm really curious to try them. I'm just wondering.

The sugars are 100% from natural raw honey. Do your research on the benfits of raw honey and it's minimal impact on glycemic index. Sugar alcohols are mostly garbage and responsible for the laxative effect of many bars.


Legend- i dont agree that you deserve being blocked but i thihnk what uhockey was saying is that even tho soy might have bad effects its benefits outweigh its disadvantages when we are talking about somone who eats a little soy now and then, not somone whos main source of protein is soy. A little soy is good i think, but once you get enough to actually have a sufficent negative impact on testerone ect, then your obvioucly going down the roung path.

I blocked him because he was so ignorant. He's one of only 5 people I've ever blocked. Here's an objective discussion of soy from this very board.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=922270


Go with VPX zero impact bars... their profile is alot better... very small amount of sugar, and much better protein sources. Taste great too.

Considering the fact already presented about raw honey, I disagree that the profile is "a lot better," and, without bias involved, I personally believe Sustain Bar to taste far better than VPX. Neither are the "best tasting" since that title goes to Oh Yeah or Labrada, but when you take content into consideration, you realize just why Labrada and Oh Yeah are so tasty.


Why is it you dont like it?
Just don't like the flavor. If that bar can mask it, I'll definitely give it a try since it is a good natural sweetener in terms of GI and quality.

[italionstallion]

I think a lot of posters miss the "best overall" protein bar heading...

My own beliefs are that "best overall" protein bar encompass all aspects of the bar - taste, texture, profile, ingredients, cost, etc.

Some of the bars people choose to post rely solely on taste and/or cost. A few posters choose to post solely on ingredients.

Yes, the Oh Yeah! bars taste great. Like a snickers. They're also as healthy as a snickers. Why would you put them in 'best overall protein bar' category when they really have no place here? Choosing a bar like that is like ordering off the "active lifestyles" or whatever menu at McDonalds.

Guess I'm just venting.. I wish more people would read 'overall' and not post a "bar" that you can put in the microwave and say it tastes like a cookie. You might as well just eat a cookie.

While I fully agree with what you are saying, and it is best OVERALL bar, the fact is that it is someone's opinion on what they like the best. If that particular person weighs taste as 90% of the purchasing factor, then to them, a wonderful tasting bar would be their favorite overall protein bar.

Some people care a lot more about cost, so the best overall bar for them is first one that is fairly cheap and secondly any other aspect.

Nobody splits a bar's aspects equally; being equal importance to taste, texture, price, ingredients, macros, etc. People rate things on what they like the best and what is overall most important to them.

[Legend23]

I blocked him because he was so ignorant. He's one of only 5 people I've ever blocked. Here's an objective discussion of soy from this very board.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=922270



From how many months ago? If you do a search on google about soy with forum.bodybuilding.com you'll find dozens of topics. You act like I've overstepped my boundaries as if it isn't relavent to the topic.

It has absolutely everything to do with the topic. This topic is about people's opinions of the best protein bars. Soy protein is cheap filler protein that has been shown to be negative with protein absorption/synthesis, muscle growth, and hormone levels. I have posted studies showing this, and brushing them off as poor studies or saying that "meh, they're also dealing with cancer so they're not legit" is a logical fallacy.

By blocking (ignoring) my posts your actions demonstrate the exact meaning of the word "ignorant."

I block no one.

[Legend23]

Legend- i dont agree that you deserve being blocked but i thihnk what uhockey was saying is that even tho soy might have bad effects its benefits outweigh its disadvantages when we are talking about somone who eats a little soy now and then, not somone whos main source of protein is soy. A little soy is good i think, but once you get enough to actually have a sufficent negative impact on testerone ect, then your obvioucly going down the roung path.

I agree there may be some health benefits to eating soy, but for someone that's already lifting and doing cardio and supposedly eating decently? Do they need to improve cholesterol levels? How much soy must be consumed to get these health benefits? Do the negative effects of soy switch on at a certain dosage or do they gradually appear?

I don't know the answers to these questions. But what I do know is that soy is clearly inferior protein when compared to whey, casein, meat, eggs, and fish.

[Legend23]

Wait a sec, so uhockey works for this company that sells the bars he keeps recommending, and they have a significant amount of soy protein. Now I get it....

[Buff_Daddy]

Wait a sec, so uhockey works for this company that sells the bars he keeps recommending, and they have a significant amount of soy protein. Now I get it....

I dont care how good your arguments are, if you work for the company there is always a bias. Now Im not an expert on the merits of each type of protein, but I can guess that Sustain didnt put it in there for "cardiovascular health". Thats not what people look for in a bar. Soy might be cheaper , who knows.

[jkeithc82]

I love you too. Jkeith and I are pretty sweet, IMO.


Have I told you, lately..........

[uppacut]

what a bitch

exactly what i was thinking...

[jkeithc82]

exactly what i was thinking...

Please don't feed the trolls.

[nni]

I dont care how good your arguments are, if you work for the company there is always a bias. Now Im not an expert on the merits of each type of protein, but I can guess that Sustain didnt put it in there for "cardiovascular health". Thats not what people look for in a bar. Soy might be cheaper , who knows.

of course there is a bias, why on earth would you choose to include a substance in a product if you didn't believe that it had benefits? if it was for price reasoning wouldn't soy be the main source of protein and not the smallest source? im not saying that your explanation is the reason soy is in there, but do you feel that cardivascular health isn't important to a bodybuilder?

this thread should go back on topic, which is simply product recomendations.

[Legend23]

of course there is a bias, why on earth would you choose to include a substance in a product if you didn't believe that it had benefits? if it was for price reasoning wouldn't soy be the main source of protein and not the smallest source? im not saying that your explanation is the reason soy is in there, but do you feel that cardivascular health isn't important to a bodybuilder?

this thread should go back on topic, which is simply product recomendations.

Another Designersupps employee?

We are on topic. We, the consumers, are talking about ingredients of protein bars that would make a "best overall protein bar." What's off topic is a company telling us what we want in a protein bar without any scientific reasoning. Should we even have companies in this thread?

Why is soy the smallest source and not the largest? Probably for the same reason they put canola oil as the second oil ingredient in pesto after EVOO. Because if they made it as economical as possible, it would have no flavor, and the consumer wouldn't buy the product.

It's advertising...you can say your bar has X grams of protein, but what about the quality of those proteins? In reality you may only have 15 grams of good protein in your product buy say you have 20 grams. It saves you money, and your product still works decently.

But I rather buy a protein bar that's entirely a whey/casein blend. I rather pay 15-30 cents more per bar if that's what it costs.

Someone that already works out and does cardio and eats right is already going to have awesome blood lipids, bloodpressure, etc. The cardiovascular health would be a relevant benefit if you were selling it to middle aged women trying to lose weight. They also get a lot more benefits from soy.

But this is bodybuilding.com. Wrong target audience.


Some more studies about soy that I don't find particularly interesting.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10798211&dopt=Abstract


Inverse association of soy product intake with serum androgen and estrogen concentrations in Japanese men.

[nni]

Another Designersupps employee?

We are on topic. We, the consumers, are talking about ingredients of protein bars that would make a "best overall protein bar." What's off topic is a company telling us what we want in a protein bar without any scientific reasoning. Should we even have companies in this thread?

Why is soy the smallest source and not the largest? Probably for the same reason they put canola oil as the second oil ingredient in pesto after EVOO. Because if they made it as economical as possible, it would have no flavor, and the consumer wouldn't buy the product.

It's advertising...you can say your bar has X grams of protein, but what about the quality of those proteins? In reality you may only have 15 grams of good protein in your product buy say you have 20 grams. It saves you money, and your product still works decently.

But I rather buy a protein bar that's entirely a whey/casein blend. I rather pay 15-30 cents more per bar if that's what it costs.

Someone that already works out and does cardio and eats right is already going to have awesome blood lipids, bloodpressure, etc. The cardiovascular health would be a relevant benefit if you were selling it to middle aged women trying to lose weight. They also get a lot more benefits from soy.

But this is bodybuilding.com. Wrong target audience.


Some more studies about soy that I don't find particularly interesting.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10798211&dopt=Abstract

actually i am not a DS employee. i am also a consumer. i was merely commenting about tossing the word "bias" around, its bull****, you are biased, you dont like soy, is it bad a thing, no its your opinion. because someone associated with a company has an opinion doesn't mean there is a giant company wide conspiracy. i could honestly give a **** if you buy a sustain bar or not. i feel soy isnt a bad thing but it shouldnt be your main source of protein, and i felt this way long before i became affiliated with ds. i love clif bars and used to eat them regularly and i believe soy is their main source of protein and lo and behold i am still a man with normal test/estrogen levels. there is as much research touting the benefits as there are touting the negatives of soy. bottom line, soy is fine but if you are worried, dont eat it.

http://www.haelan951.com/Researchpage/benefitsofsoy.html

thats a fun read.

continue carrying on, while i am not blocking you like uhockey did, i see no point in sitting here arguing you about this, you obviously feel strongly about this and good for you. ill continue to do what i do though.

[Legend23]

actually i am not a DS employee. i am also a consumer. i was merely commenting about tossing the word "bias" around, its bull****, you are biased, you dont like soy, is it bad a thing, no its your opinion. because someone associated with a company has an opinion doesn't mean there is a giant company wide conspiracy. i could honestly give a **** if you buy a sustain bar or not. i feel soy isnt a bad thing but it shouldnt be your main source of protein, and i felt this way long before i became affiliated with ds. i love clif bars and used to eat them regularly and i believe soy is their main source of protein and lo and behold i am still a man with normal test/estrogen levels. there is as much research touting the benefits as there are touting the negatives of soy. bottom line, soy is fine but if you are worried, dont eat it.

http://www.haelan951.com/Researchpage/benefitsofsoy.html

thats a fun read.

continue carrying on, while i am not blocking you like uhockey did, i see no point in sitting here arguing you about this, you obviously feel strongly about this and good for you. ill continue to do what i do though.

Thanks for replying. The reason why I made the designersupps link was because of the email address under your nick. I didn't think there was a giant conspiracy, just that it didn't seem ethical to have companies in here supporting their products. I apologize if I jumped to a conclusion there.

Yeah, I am biased against soy because from what I've read it doesn't work as well as other protein sources. I'm not contesting its other health benefits, just its relevance to the topic. A few grams in a bar likely won't do much, but what is concerning me is that there's a few grams of soy cropping up in most foods today, and if you add it all together, we're consuming too much.

[nni]

there very well could be too much soy in our diets if you look at the big picture and fell it is a negative.. just to clear things up i am merely affiliated with ds, not an official employee (they cant afford me ;)) honestly though i can pretty much speak for ds in saying that the sustain bars turned out extremely well, and i know several of us are psyched about it. so it is undoubtedly part promotion and part excitement as consumers, we are all much more than merely company mouthpieces.

[dbitonti]

BioTest makes a good tasting bar but there are better ones out there nutrition wise. I am also addicted to the Peanut Butter Creme Power Crunch bars..

[uhockey]

there very well could be too much soy in our diets if you look at the big picture and fell it is a negative.. just to clear things up i am merely affiliated with ds, not an official employee (they cant afford me ;)) honestly though i can pretty much speak for ds in saying that the sustain bars turned out extremely well, and i know several of us are psyched about it. so it is undoubtedly part promotion and part excitement as consumers, we are all much more than merely company mouthpieces.

I'm assuming this is still arguing with the anti-soy fool.

People calling me biased is a joke as all one would have to do is check my post history both pre-post working with DS to realize that I've ALWAYS been a proponent of lower doses of soy. As I've seen 100% natural vegetarian bodybuilders, there is no doubt in my mind that soy is effective. I've never once argued that Soy should be the primary source of protein for someone who is not a vegetarian and there has never been a quality RCT that indicates it is "negative," especially when combined with adequate intake of proteins. As an additional source, complementing animal and milk based proteins, I feel soy is quite beneficial if for no other reason than it's health benefits.

The soy content in Sustain bar is LOW, just as it is in many protein bars, and all of these assinine pubmed quotes are coming from poorly designed studies using soy as a SOLO source of protein. Abstract thought just is not something some people are capable.

[Buff_Daddy]

The sustain bar is literaly pimped every 5 minutes on this forum when someone mentions the word "protein". Isnt their a COMPANY PROMOTION section of the board for reps to visit? Im just saying, let the consumer make up THEIR mind. There ARE definately pros and cons of this bar, like most bars.

[uhockey]

No, the Sustain bar is suggested when someone asks about a quality protein bar with quality ingredients, because that's what it is. So is VPX Zero Impact.

I'll visit whatever section I like, FYI, and being that I'm not a rep, but a consultant who actually has say in what goes into our products, I don't like that section.

DS doesn't control what I say, nor where I say it.....neither do you. If the board made a rule that people involved with a company could only post in the company promotion section, I'd quit, and my opinion wouldn't change.

This board is full of sheep. I'm not one of them. :D Call me unconventional.

[pmtaf]

I tried the Detour Low Sugar bar and did not care for it al all. I do like the Xyience Mixed Berry bar. Very good. I would like to buy just a single Sustain Bar to see if it is anygood, before I buy a box. Does GNC sell just a single bar?

[nni]

nope, sorry.

[pmtaf]

That stinks...seeing how I live in the middle of nowhere, my options are GNC, and Walmart. So I guess I'll just have to keep trying the crap bars.

[Crunchbar]

That stinks...seeing how I live in the middle of nowhere, my options are GNC, and Walmart. So I guess I'll just have to keep trying the crap bars.

order it on this site online, it cheaper online anyway~!

[Legend23]

I'm assuming this is still arguing with the anti-soy fool.

Ad hominem. *golf clap*


That stinks...seeing how I live in the middle of nowhere, my options are GNC, and Walmart. So I guess I'll just have to keep trying the crap bars.

Yeah, order online. There's dozens of bars to chose from on this site alone.

[jkeithc82]

Ad hominem. *golf clap*


cry?

[uhockey]

I tried the Detour Low Sugar bar and did not care for it al all. I do like the Xyience Mixed Berry bar. Very good. I would like to buy just a single Sustain Bar to see if it is anygood, before I buy a box. Does GNC sell just a single bar?

You're in the bb.com transformation contest.........logically, buy from bb.com!

[Elliptical Envy]

I just bought some Vanilla Almond Sustain bars so I hope they are as good as everyone makes them out to be.

[watchfan]

I just bought some Vanilla Almond Sustain bars so I hope they are as good as everyone makes them out to be.

They are pretty damn good imo. I like them more than the PB ones, and those are still really good. My only complaint with the Sustain bar is that for the calories I wish it were slightly bigger, and had a little more protein. Nonetheless, I like the profile of it, and the taste is just a bonus.

WF

[uhockey]

I just bought some Vanilla Almond Sustain bars so I hope they are as good as everyone makes them out to be.

You mean the all-natural Milky Way? Wonder if we'd have gotten busted for calling it Milky Whey? ;)


They are pretty damn good imo. I like them more than the PB ones, and those are still really good. My only complaint with the Sustain bar is that for the calories I wish it were slightly bigger, and had a little more protein. Nonetheless, I like the profile of it, and the taste is just a bonus.

WF

Agreed on the taste, disagree on the cals since I like being able to use it only as necessary to fill the gap between meals. I'm just not one to use bars as MRPs, regardless of cals.

[Elliptical Envy]

I'll post my review whenever I get my box.

[psycho 66]

i personally like Proto-pure bars . they only hav 1g of sugar and 32g of protein . It's a great treat for intense workouts. =)

[nintendodude]

I just ordered a package of http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/pbl/pure.html which IMO has the best ingredient profile. I'll be sure to update later with taste/texture.
keep us updated Italion.. I've wanted to try those for quite some time.

[jonflesh]

i personally like Proto-pure bars . they only hav 1g of sugar and 32g of protein . It's a great treat for intense workouts. =)

who makes these bars?...Proto?

[Whey Man]

Well I don't know if anyone's posted this yet or not...but my protein bar of choice is Labrada's Rockin’ Roll Bars.

http://bodybuilding.com/store/lab/rock.html

Nutrition Facts:

Serving Size: 1 Bar
Servings Per Container: 12

Amount Per Serving:

Total Calories 290
Calories From Fat 150
Total Fat 16 g 25%
Saturated Fat 3.5 g 18%
Cholesterol 5 mg 1%
Sodium 350 mg 15%
Total Carbohydrates 25 g 8%
Dietary Fiber 6 g 26%
Sugar 2 g
Protein 21 g

Vitamin A 0%
Vitamin C 0%
Calcium 4%
Iron 8%

Ingredients:
Dry Roasted Peanuts, LeanPro Nut Roll Protein Blend (Soy Protein Isolate, Milk Protein Isolate, Whey Protein Isolate, Calcium Caseinate, Whey Protein Concentrate, Sodium Caseinate) Maltitol, Gelatin, Polydextrose, Glycerine, Fractionated Palm Kernel Oil, Peanut Flour, Gum Arabic, Lecithin, Butter, Natural and Artificial Flavors, Sucralose (Splenda Brand), Potassium Sorbate



Ingredient list is pretty short (compared to other bars), no crappy sugars, not loaded with carbs, and tastes pretty darn good. Comes in trail mix, honey almond, and nutty peanut flavors. The nutty peanut tastes just like a nut roll. By far my favorite.

By far the best quality protein bar I've ever come across...also one one of the best tasting.

[The Brotherhood]

Well I don't know if anyone's posted this yet or not...but my protein bar of choice is Labrada's Rockin’ Roll Bars.

http://bodybuilding.com/store/lab/rock.html

Nutrition Facts:

Serving Size: 1 Bar
Servings Per Container: 12

Amount Per Serving:

Total Calories 290
Calories From Fat 150
Total Fat 16 g 25%
Saturated Fat 3.5 g 18%
Cholesterol 5 mg 1%
Sodium 350 mg 15%
Total Carbohydrates 25 g 8%
Dietary Fiber 6 g 26%
Sugar 2 g
Protein 21 g

Vitamin A 0%
Vitamin C 0%
Calcium 4%
Iron 8%

Ingredients:
Dry Roasted Peanuts, LeanPro Nut Roll Protein Blend (Soy Protein Isolate, Milk Protein Isolate, Whey Protein Isolate, Calcium Caseinate, Whey Protein Concentrate, Sodium Caseinate) Maltitol, Gelatin, Polydextrose, Glycerine, Fractionated Palm Kernel Oil, Peanut Flour, Gum Arabic, Lecithin, Butter, Natural and Artificial Flavors, Sucralose (Splenda Brand), Potassium Sorbate



Ingredient list is pretty short (compared to other bars), no crappy sugars, not loaded with carbs, and tastes pretty darn good. Comes in trail mix, honey almond, and nutty peanut flavors. The nutty peanut tastes just like a nut roll. By far my favorite.

By far the best quality protein bar I've ever come across...also one one of the best tasting.and you registered just to post that...:rolleyes:

Its no-doubt a good bar, but this cloaked supplement pimping doesn't go down well with people. If your a rep and speak openly about why your product is good thats a different matter, but this is just bull****. Negged.

[jaim91]

and you registered just to post that...:rolleyes:

Its no-doubt a good bar, but this cloaked supplement pimping doesn't go down well with people. If your a rep and speak openly about why your product is good thats a different matter, but this is just bull****. Negged.

Well said!!

I know this bar was reformulated along with the Caramel peanut bar Lean body gold, and let me say...NOT AS GOOD! It's 100x more salty and not as palatable as the other ones. They used to be my favourite :(

To the rep: Please don't change the Labrada S'mores cookie bar...please! :)

[TimboBandit]

Universal Hi Protein

[Whey Man]

and you registered just to post that...:rolleyes:

Its no-doubt a good bar, but this cloaked supplement pimping doesn't go down well with people. If your a rep and speak openly about why your product is good thats a different matter, but this is just bull****. Negged.


LOL. Sorry, that was a horrible looking first post wasn't it? Believe me, I'm no rep. I also have an accont over on abcbodybuilding.com under the same name. I just decided to join here too. This just happened to be the first thread I saw that I wanted to post in. My bad guys.

And to the guy who mentioned the cookie bars...I love those too. In fact, I just had the apple cinnamin one (microwaved it first...gooey goodness). Though they do have sugar of them, so I'm inclined not to get them very often. But IMO that's the best tasting protein bar I've ever had, just not the most optimal...which is unfortunate.

[cap10raygun]

I just got some ISS Pro42 cookies n creme in yesterday. It tastes pretty nasty in my opinion. Well at 42 grams of protein per bar, you cant really go wrong. Anything that taste that nasty must be good for you. Has anyone tried the other flavors from ISS?

[TheUnlikelyToad]

I just got some ISS Pro42 cookies n creme in yesterday. It tastes pretty nasty in my opinion. Well at 42 grams of protein per bar, you cant really go wrong. Anything that taste that nasty must be good for you. Has anyone tried the other flavors from ISS?

Look at tha protein source... not tha best IMO.

[naten186]

The ISS has Calcium Caseinate in it so it's not necessarily bad, but needs to be eaten at the right time. I plan on eating one bar before I leave work at night around 9:00, 1 hour before bed at 10. Since the Casein is slow digesting, this would be the right choice, correct? Let it digest overnight?

[Crunchbar]

The ISS has Calcium Caseinate in it so it's not necessarily bad, but needs to be eaten at the right time. I plan on eating one bar before I leave work at night around 9:00, 1 hour before bed at 10. Since the Casein is slow digesting, this would be the right choice, correct? Let it digest overnight?

I beleive that yes cascein is great at night but it is also GREAT any other time during the day. (MAYBE EVEN PWO, I think i have heard that a mix of whey and cascein beets just cascein)

[The Brotherhood]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bn/power.html look good in the macros. Protein profile isnt bad. I dont care about the remaining ingredients. Cheap as well./

[TheUnlikelyToad]

The ISS has Calcium Caseinate in it so it's not necessarily bad, but needs to be eaten at the right time. I plan on eating one bar before I leave work at night around 9:00, 1 hour before bed at 10. Since the Casein is slow digesting, this would be the right choice, correct? Let it digest overnight?

C'mon guys... Hydrolyzed Collagen? It's tha second ingredient. Let's try to at least give Toad tha benefit of doubt here. ;)

You'll could get tha same amount of protein eating ~ 20 sugar-free JELLO cups!

[TheUnlikelyToad]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bn/power.html look good in the macros. Protein profile isnt bad. I dont care about the remaining ingredients. Cheap as well./

Crappy macros, but tha best tasting bars I've ever tried. How could not like Sugar Wafers as a kid? Seriously, awesome stuff.

[snoopy2046]

I like Labrada Lean Body Gold bars :)

[The Brotherhood]

Crappy macros, but tha best tasting bars I've ever tried. How could not like Sugar Wafers as a kid? Seriously, awesome stuff.

The macros are pretty good imo. Low carbs and fat to protein ratio. Good dieting bar. One of the only ones apart from ISS wafer bars that fit into my carb macros.

[Elliptical Envy]

Out of all the bars I've tasted I have to give the nod to the Sustain vanilla almond bar.

[TheUnlikelyToad]

Out of all the bars I've tasted I have to give the nod to the Sustain vanilla almond bar.

Have yet to try that flavor... feel free to send me a box as everyone tells me you now have stock in tha company. :p

[danimal81]

What is the absolute BEST protein bar that you have ever tried? Reply and let us know what protein or energy bar is your favorite because of taste and nutritional content. Describe the taste, and tell us what flavors are the best.

Thanks for helping many others!

Tigers milk for me.

I know its high in sugar and kin dof low in protein (11g) but they liteally taste just like candy. They don't have that cardboard taste to them

[bravo03_old]

Tigers milk for me.

I know its high in sugar and kin dof low in protein (11g) but they liteally taste just like candy. They don't have that cardboard taste to them

lol, love those things, my mom useto give them to me and my brother when we were younger, better than some BS candy bars like snickers etc...

[uhockey]

I beleive that yes cascein is great at night but it is also GREAT any other time during the day. (MAYBE EVEN PWO, I think i have heard that a mix of whey and cascein beets just cascein)


http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bn/power.html look good in the macros. Protein profile isnt bad. I dont care about the remaining ingredients. Cheap as well./


I like Labrada Lean Body Gold bars :)


Tigers milk for me.

I know its high in sugar and kin dof low in protein (11g) but they liteally taste just like candy. They don't have that cardboard taste to them


Macros don't matter when the sources are garbage.

[kethnaab]

Macros don't matter when the sources are garbage.

exactly. if you want to eat a candy bar, just eat a snickers or something. don't try to pretend like it's healthy because it has 8 grams of soy protein added to it. It's still a candy bar. :)

[jeffchance]

best bar, hands down is the xyience breskfast bar with about 42 grams of pro and 13 grams of fiber. tastes like some kind oatmeal/jelly treat. it's good!

[bravo03_old]

best bar, hands down is the xyience breskfast bar with about 42 grams of pro and 13 grams of fiber. tastes like some kind oatmeal/jelly treat. it's good!

which one did u have? beacuse i thought it was dry and not good tasting.

[Dhenry]

I like detour bars. caramel peanut.


word.

[TheUnlikelyToad]

Macros don't matter when the sources are garbage.

Power Crunch's protein source is hardly garbage. Other macros could be better however.

[retro_roots]

word.

x2

[uhockey]

Power Crunch's protein source is hardly garbage. Other macros could be better however.

We're talking about the product as a whole.

This is why Sustain Bar and Zero Impact are so much better than the competition.

[MUSCLE FORTRESS]

As has been mention numerous times on this board most bars are crap. My favorites are Oh Yaa's two natural bars and the Almond Natural bar. For the most part clean and they have fiber. Which is often over looked. They are good when your in a pinch.

[MUSCLE FORTRESS]

Are we talking taste good or actual food value? Cuz if it's just taste good there's a ton that taste awesome but eating the wrapper most likely has equal food value.

[ItaForte]

Zero Impact BY FAR!

[Dhenry]

I just ordered a box of zero impacts.

[Crunchbar]

I JUST RECeived my sustain peanut butter fudge bars last night, and my peanutbutter fudge protein powder.

The Bar:

Taste: 7.5/10, it tasted really good, especially for the ingredients being SO healthy, but it seemed to have a really weird after taste which wasnt that great but seems like somthing you get used to.

Texture: 10/10 Texture was amazing, kind of puffy like a three musketeer bar. I tried biting on it and sucking on it wile it was in my mouth made a real yum wad of goodness hehe. Any flaws in the taste is definantly made up for in the texture.

User friendlyness: It was a little bit small for the 300 cals... and protein was a bit low, only 20g thats 80cals/300 but the nutrition profile was still by far one of the best around. One thing i did think was odd was that a high portion of the carbs are from sugar and there is very little fiber. Makes me wonder just how clean the carbsource is. The bar came in the coolest pacage, haha i really enjoyed that.

Overall it was pretty good, a little worse then i expected exept I REALLY like the texture!

The Protein Powder.

AMAZING IN EVERY WAY! 10/10
This is all based on my opinion btw :)

[Mickdizzle]

Well I have been eating a lot of bars over the past year due to the situation that I am in and having to miss so many meals. Bars are definetly not the way to go if you have other choices and can get some real food, but if you can afford them and you are going to miss a meal without them they are definetly good. I eat 1-2 a day. Here are some reviews of mine....

VPX Zero impact
I was looking for a bar high in cals with a great nutritional profile. This is a great MRB. If you are going to miss a meal this is definetly the bar that I recommend. I just got my first box of these last week and I wish i would have known about them sooner. I got the CH/PB flavor, I took the first bite and the texture was odd and the taste was kinda different. The first bar kinda grossed me out. I kept eating them and for some reason the taste and texture really grew on me. I look forward to eating them now. They are especially great for over here with this heat. (No chocolate coating to melt) These bars are # 1 in my books, especially if you are bulking and looking for some cals.

Pure Protein
I have only tried the Ch/pb flavor. Taste and texture are awesome, they have 32g of protein so they help me out there. Probably my favorite bar for price and taste. I have 3 boxes of these right now!

Nitro Tech bars
Great sources of protein and i cant complain with the texture and flavor from these bars either. They are a little overpriced but overall a good bar.

Myoplex Deluxe Ch/PB
Awesome bar if you are looking for a treat, High in protein but also a lot of sugar. Taste and texture are awesome though

Detour
I have only tried the CH/PB with these as well. They are way too sweet! I almost couldn't finish a bar just because of how sweet it was. A lot of sugar Alchohals!

Zone Perfect
A great tasting bar! These are probably my favorite for taste. The protein source is not the best though (Soy) You can pick these up at Wal Mart for under $1.

Preimeir Protein
Good tasting bar and fairly good nutritiously. Taste and texture are very similar to Pure Proteins bars. Can pick them up for cheap at costco.
VPX ZERO IMPACT FTW! I cant wait to try their other flavor.

[tazzy21]

best bar, hands down is the xyience breskfast bar with about 42 grams of pro and 13 grams of fiber. tastes like some kind oatmeal/jelly treat. it's good!

are you used to eating a donkeys ass?????? BY FAR THE WORST ABSOLUTELY WORST BAR ON THE MARKET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Xyince bars suck!! They taste like wood chips with some flavouring thrown on them.

[The Brotherhood]

I dont use bars as a part of my daily meal plan. Once in awhile I throw them in. I couldnt care less about the ingredient profile unless its ridiculously bad (20g of carb, all 20gs are sugar, etc), all that matters to me is the macro profile.

Yeah, sustain bars have a great macro and ingredient profile, but the carbs in the sustain bar are too high for me on my cut right now.

[uhockey]

I JUST RECeived my sustain peanut butter fudge bars last night, and my peanutbutter fudge protein powder.

The Bar:

Taste: 7.5/10, it tasted really good, especially for the ingredients being SO healthy, but it seemed to have a really weird after taste which wasnt that great but seems like somthing you get used to.

Texture: 10/10 Texture was amazing, kind of puffy like a three musketeer bar. I tried biting on it and sucking on it wile it was in my mouth made a real yum wad of goodness hehe. Any flaws in the taste is definantly made up for in the texture.

User friendlyness: It was a little bit small for the 300 cals... and protein was a bit low, only 20g thats 80cals/300 but the nutrition profile was still by far one of the best around. One thing i did think was odd was that a high portion of the carbs are from sugar and there is very little fiber. Makes me wonder just how clean the carbsource is. The bar came in the coolest pacage, haha i really enjoyed that.

Overall it was pretty good, a little worse then i expected exept I REALLY like the texture!

The Protein Powder.

AMAZING IN EVERY WAY! 10/10
This is all based on my opinion btw :)

Some people notice an aftertaste, I never noticed any. Very odd.

Regarding the carb source, it is 100% natural raw honey. Read up on the ingredient and it's health benefits and realize EXACTLY how clean it really is.

Glad you enjoyed it. The Vanilla almond is actually BETTER.

[tazzy21]

Some people notice an aftertaste, I never noticed any. Very odd.

Regarding the carb source, it is 100% natural raw honey. Read up on the ingredient and it's health benefits and realize EXACTLY how clean it really is.

Glad you enjoyed it. The Vanilla almond is actually BETTER.

ya come on now Uhockey, your on almost evry board around eh.? pushing your protein bars on everyone, WHY? to get them hooked so they can't ever imagine having any other bar than your glorious mouthwatering mmm sooo tats ooops I fell into your trap DAMN!!! Oh well, I'll admit it's my first step to recovery I'm an addict of the sustain bars BUT IS the almond as good or better than the peanut butter fudge???? I'm gonna shoot you a pm Uhockey, you read it and tell me if it's worth the idea or chance kay.?? What other flavours are you bringing out? Us Canadian folk (most of us) never even heard of Sustain bars. I have EVeRYONE at work asking me what they should buy for proteins, bars, creatines......... We have a very limited selection here in Canada.
cheers

[Onebadapple1]

I really like Pure Protein chocolate deluxe bars you can find them at walmart 5.95 for a pack of 6. 20g Protein, 0 Sugar, 17 Carbs, 4.5g Fat. I good snack for me while im at work, I been eating 3 a day!!

[Rawngus]

are you used to eating a donkeys ass?????? BY FAR THE WORST ABSOLUTELY WORST BAR ON THE MARKET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Xyince bars suck!! They taste like wood chips with some flavouring thrown on them.

a small bar with 13 grams of fiber is going to taste like that no matter how you spice it up

[The Brotherhood]

I love the banana-nut flavor of the xyience bars. Good macro profile as well

[njmuscle66]

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Glad you enjoyed it. The Vanilla almond is actually BETTER.

Sure wish I had some :(

[Twin Peak]

Sure wish I had some :(

Me too. Course, even if I did, I couldn't eat them for another six weeks. And by then, we should have more!

[Doughboy]

Me too. Course, even if I did, I couldn't eat them for another six weeks. And by then, we should have more!

Steve,

There is a health food store in Farmingdale that carries some of your products. Any idea if they are carrying the bars?

The vanilla almond are so good, I miss them.

[TheLivingEnd]

Pure Protein. I have only tried the Ch/pb flavor. Taste and texture are awesome, they have 32g of protein so they help me out there. Probably my favorite bar for price and taste. I have 3 boxes of these right now!

Their "Choc Delux" is probably the best tasting. They've got 7 or 8 kinds... most of which are very very sweet... Blueberry, Smores, Strawberry... Just stick to the chocolate ones. But yeah, decent for the price. (Even though they're made of "junk.") Another fav is "PowerBar Protein Plus: Chocolate Crisp" although it's a bit pricey.)

[bravo03_old]

uhockey or any DS rep, i hear so much about sustain bars being really good, care to send free sample/s :) lol ...... i tried

[newguy_02]

Can you guys reccomend me a good protein bar?
I don't care much for taste as long as its healthy and has all the good stuff one would need in case I couldn't make lunch or something to snack on.
Again a reminder, taste isnt an issue really, that cardboard taste doesn;t bother me much ;)

thanks!

[The Brotherhood]

theres 30 pages of protein bar recommendations right here in the thread that you posted in.

how about reading through the thread? thats what its for..

[Steady Riot]

detours are deffinatly the best. taste like snickers, and some are caffinated =]

[jaim91]

detours are deffinatly the best. taste like snickers, and some are caffinated =]

I hear ya! The new peanut butter and jam ones are kick @ss!!

[Sixpack]

That is cause a snickers is prob better for ya lol


detours are deffinatly the best. taste like snickers, and some are caffinated =]

[uhockey]

detours are deffinatly the best. taste like snickers, and some are caffinated =]
VV

That is cause a snickers is prob better for ya lol
That about sums it up.




uhockey or any DS rep, i hear so much about sustain bars being really good, care to send free sample/s :) lol ...... i tried
You'd be shocked to learn that the reason the reviews are so good is that, shockingly, the bars are that good. I'd recommend picking up a box and trying for yourself. :) I tried.

[bravo03_old]

VPX Zero Impact Bars - Chocolate PB is great, i tried pumpkin and it wasn't as good, great ingredient list and its full of good fats, low GI carbs also!

[Gauchos]

The truth is that these have a terrible consistency and the taste isnt that great. I ordered the "Absolutely Nuts" flavor and they are sort of like a Payday. The center "nougat" has a stale and slightly petrified consistency. On the plus side, these bars have a fairly high quality protein blend 31g...and just enough sugar 16g to restore glucose after a workout. I might buy them again just because of the protein blend and lower sugar which is exactly what I am looking for...but I will try a different flavor.

[uhockey]

The truth is that these have a terrible consistency and the taste isnt that great. I ordered the "Absolutely Nuts" flavor and they are sort of like a Payday. The center "nougat" has a stale and slightly petrified consistency. On the plus side, these bars have a fairly high quality protein blend 31g...and just enough sugar 16g to restore glucose after a workout. I might buy them again just because of the protein blend and lower sugar which is exactly what I am looking for...but I will try a different flavor.

Why not look into Sustain Bars, as the ingredient blend is higher quality, and the sugars are from 100% natural raw honey? Actually, there's nothing artificial in the bar.

[GetShredded]

I just recently purchased at Sam's Club EAS Myoplex Deluxe bars, 30g of protein in each one. It was 20$ for a case of 12, naturally flavored, its no Snickers but not bad.

[italionstallion]

Previously in this thread I said I would give my review of PBL Pure Omega 3 Bars, so here ya go.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1289281

[Crunchbar]

^^ that ingredient profile looks like it stacks up near the sustain and vpx bars what u guys thinkl?

[bravo03_old]

^^ that ingredient profile looks like it stacks up near the sustain and vpx bars what u guys thinkl?

i also agree, that list is really good.

[kennethcr]

Zone Perfect bars are the best, great flavour and relative good price. The best thing is all the ingredients it has.

[jbinbi]

i have been buying and trying everybar i come across over the past 3 years, looking for something with at least 20 g of protein, but something that tastes good that i can eat one every day. without a doubt, the winner in my mind is the

MLO Bio Protein, any of the flavors! 21g of protein 300ish calories

[BigDubDieseI]

i have been buying and trying everybar i come across over the past 3 years, looking for something with at least 20 g of protein, but something that tastes good that i can eat one every day. without a doubt, the winner in my mind is the

MLO Bio Protein, any of the flavors! 21g of protein 300ish calories

I agree, MLO Bio Protien Double chocolate is really good, never knew that anyone else knew about em...MET-RX bars arent bad either

[TheUnlikelyToad]

i have been buying and trying everybar i come across over the past 3 years, looking for something with at least 20 g of protein, but something that tastes good that i can eat one every day. without a doubt, the winner in my mind is the

MLO Bio Protein, any of the flavors! 21g of protein 300ish calories

Word... I usually do Butterscotch Krimpets and one of those IDS Protein Vials of 40 grams of hydrolzed collagen on my way to work every morning, sweet!

[somaro]

VPX Zero Impact Bars - Chocolate PB is great, i tried pumpkin and it wasn't as good, great ingredient list and its full of good fats, low GI carbs also!

I have to agree with you. I am not a big fan of protein bars, but sometimes life gets in the way, and it's the only way to get nourished. Unfortunately, most bars nowadays, with the low-carb craze, add a lot sugar alcohols, claiming it has no impact. Well, it is not calorie-free, and it causes a lot of stomach discomfort, as I have found out. The Zero Impact bars, though, has mostly natural ingredients as the source of the carbs, such as sweet potatoes and oats, among others. It has a pretty large amount of fats from good sources (almond butter, almonds, sunflower), so it's about 450 calories. It also tastes OK. Unless I find another bar with natural ingredients, I won't use any other bar

[bravo03_old]

I have to agree with you. I am not a big fan of protein bars, but sometimes life gets in the way, and it's the only way to get nourished. Unfortunately, most bars nowadays, with the low-carb craze, add a lot sugar alcohols, claiming it has no impact. Well, it is not calorie-free, and it causes a lot of stomach discomfort, as I have found out. The Zero Impact bars, though, has mostly natural ingredients as the source of the carbs, such as sweet potatoes and oats, among others. It has a pretty large amount of fats from good sources (almond butter, almonds, sunflower), so it's about 450 calories. It also tastes OK. Unless I find another bar with natural ingredients, I won't use any other bar

great review bro, try popping it in the microwave for about 7-10 seconds or until warm (nothing over 15 seconds) will taste a bit better :)

[Captnj]

i like the ISS oh yeah bars:) reviewed here.

http://www.feview.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=37

[somaro]

Thanks for the tip. I might try that some time, though when I have to eat a protein bar I'm usually on the go (hence why I'm not eating a chicken breast with broccoli instead)

[Dhenry]

the zero impact bars SUCKED in taste when i first tried them...most likely because I was used to the detour bars...now i can eat them like nothing, and look forward to them. The only down thing is the cost and the bars are like really compact and dry, i need something to moist it up when i eat one.

[warbird00]

i have a protein bar and protein shake for breakfast every day for convinience
im trying to find the best nutritional profile/tasting bar.
oxes of promax, love em, but just found out that they got like 20g of sugar alcohol :eek: so im gonna switch to something better
i reallyl love Pure Protein Peanut Butter but they still got like 13g of sugar alcohol. besides that it has pretty damn good macros (32g protein, 28g carbs, 9 fat)

[jrich27]

detour low sgar :)

[Crunchbar]

i have a protein bar and protein shake for breakfast every day for convinience
im trying to find the best nutritional profile/tasting bar.
oxes of promax, love em, but just found out that they got like 20g of sugar alcohol :eek: so im gonna switch to something better
i reallyl love Pure Protein Peanut Butter but they still got like 13g of sugar alcohol. besides that it has pretty damn good macros (32g protein, 28g carbs, 9 fat)

check out sustain bars

[40-Yard Dash_2]

check out sustain bars

Yep, a great-tasting bar made with all-natural ingredients.

[MUSCLE FORTRESS]

UHockey unlike you, on my line, I'll give your bar a fair shake. I have a box coming from one of my vendors. Always looking for a decent/natural bar so I hope it won't disappoint.
BTW the new pics better than the old Muscle Tech lab coat pic.
Peace



VV

That about sums it up.




You'd be shocked to learn that the reason the reviews are so good is that, shockingly, the bars are that good. I'd recommend picking up a box and trying for yourself. :) I tried.

[uhockey]

UHockey unlike you, on my line, I'll give your bar a fair shake. I have a box coming from one of my vendors. Always looking for a decent/natural bar so I hope it won't disappoint.
BTW the new pics better than the old Muscle Tech lab coat pic.
Peace

I merely critiqued the pseudoscience and IV-glucose comparisons you made with your creatine. Your comments were, IMO, irresponsible and you got your panties in a bunch.

I hope you enjoy the bars.

Regarding the pic.......I don't have a Muscle Tech lab coat, mine actually works in a hospital.

[bravo03_old]

I merely critiqued the pseudoscience and IV-glucose comparisons you made with your creatine. Your comments were, IMO, irresponsible and you got your panties in a bunch.

I hope you enjoy the bars.

Regarding the pic.......I don't have a Muscle Tech lab coat, mine actually works in a hospital.

hockey hoodie? or what kind of sport....

[dimavm]

Animal Snack, full of nutrition, cheap, and easy to swalow, when it come to taste it is tolerable.

[The Brotherhood]

Animal Snack, full of nutrition, cheap, and easy to swalow, when it come to taste it is tolerable.

way too much soy for me

[MUSCLE FORTRESS]

As I mentioned after you accused me of pseudoscience that during my ACL recon surgery two weeks later I had a IV it was electrolytes with glucose and some other ingredients so my comments weren't irresponsible and I'll have to look but I haven't noticed my panties bunching...much.

That's still a candy striper jacket to me big guy. lol .....until you have MD behind your name then I'll take it all back.


I merely critiqued the pseudoscience and IV-glucose comparisons you made with your creatine. Your comments were, IMO, irresponsible and you got your panties in a bunch.

I hope you enjoy the bars.

Regarding the pic.......I don't have a Muscle Tech lab coat, mine actually works in a hospital.

[uhockey]

As I mentioned after you accused me of pseudoscience that during my ACL recon surgery two weeks later I had a IV it was electrolytes with glucose and some other ingredients so my comments weren't irresponsible and I'll have to look but I haven't noticed my panties bunching...much.

That's still a candy stripper jacket to me big guy. lol .....until you have MD behind your name then I'll take it all back.

"Some other ingredients"

June 1st, big guy.

[MUSCLE FORTRESS]

Sorry........... as I mentioned going into surgery didn't write them all down or memorize them.




"Some other ingredients"

June 1st, big guy.

[MUSCLE FORTRESS]

Anyway as I said I should have them shortly and I'll throw down my feed back so if I like them you know it's unbiased as I don't really like UHockey!
Night all.

[sfetaz]

I have looked through part of this thread but didn't find detailed information on this. Is there a list of what bars are out there that contain no collagen or gelatin?

[uhockey]

I have looked through part of this thread but didn't find detailed information on this. Is there a list of what bars are out there that contain no collagen or gelatin?

Sustain Bar
Zero Impact

Start your search with those two and IMO, you needn't search any further. :)

[Crunchbar]

I got the vanilla almond bar as you requested UHOCKEY and your right, it is also amazing, I think it and the pbfudge bar are both very good, the almond is better in some ways and the pb in others. OH and i am used to the after taste now so it all good.

Ever think about making a coconut flavor of some sort? or a butterscotch flavor?

[Roland57]

I really enjoy the Pure Protein. Blueberry Pie;Smores;Chocolate Peanut Butter;Strawberry Shortcake;Double Chocolate... There all great!!

[live4thepump]

the best protein/vitamin bar you can find in any convienient store and tastes good is the power bar only 10 grams of protein but they have plenty of vitamins and minerals then there is the EAS myoplex delux bar smores flavor thats high in protein and other needed nutrients, its a meal replacment not only a protein supplement. dont get me wrong though i go into a super g or any grocery store and buy a whole box of the luna bars and eat them like it was no bodys buisness

[uhockey]

I really enjoy the Pure Protein. Blueberry Pie;Smores;Chocolate Peanut Butter;Strawberry Shortcake;Double Chocolate... There all great!!


the best protein/vitamin bar you can find in any convienient store and tastes good is the power bar only 10 grams of protein but they have plenty of vitamins and minerals then there is the EAS myoplex delux bar smores flavor thats high in protein and other needed nutrients, its a meal replacment not only a protein supplement. dont get me wrong though i go into a super g or any grocery store and buy a whole box of the luna bars and eat them like it was no bodys buisness

Both of the above bars are examples of how to add protein to a candy bar.



I got the vanilla almond bar as you requested UHOCKEY and your right, it is also amazing, I think it and the pbfudge bar are both very good, the almond is better in some ways and the pb in others. OH and i am used to the after taste now so it all good.

Ever think about making a coconut flavor of some sort? or a butterscotch flavor?

Oddly, we'd been considering one of those options.....I'm jut not going to say which. :)

Glad you liked 'em.

[Superhoss]

VPX Zero Impact Bars

great product and it just happened to be everything i was looking for in a meal replacement bar. it's a great halftime snack at soccer games with enough carbs and protein to keep me in high gear. the bar itself is a little dry and the taste is so so but all in all definitly worth the money. i also like what i read on the ingredients label. pretty clean bar all in all.

[MUSCLE FORTRESS]

Anyway as I said I should have them shortly and I'll throw down my feed back so if I like them you know it's unbiased as I don't really like UHockey!
Night all.

Ok I tried the Sustain Vanilla Almond bar.....................and its pretty good. One quick question though. Why is it made in Egypt? Any way props UHockey. Did you formulate this? I found it a little sweet but no disernable after taste that others have mentioned. I'd rate it a strong 8 out of 10 and for a Natural bar I'd say if it wasn't quite as sweet I'd give it a 10. I will have to try the other flavor. Is it as sweet? I really don't have much of a sweet tooth. ( Though my 15 year old daughter and 3 1/2 year old son thought it was quite a good candy bar. What they don't know won't hurt them) So there you have it.
Peace MF

[jrich27]

i like detour lower sugar bars, and all pure protein bars (all but s'mores, b/c it has hydrogenated oils, buut it does taste pretty good)

[Crunchbar]

Ok I tried the Sustain Vanilla Almond bar.....................and its pretty good. One quick question though. Why is it made in Egypt? Any way props UHockey. Did you formulate this? I found it a little sweet but no disernable after taste that others have mentioned. I'd rate it a strong 8 out of 10 and for a Natural bar I'd say if it wasn't quite as sweet I'd give it a 10. I will have to try the other flavor. Is it as sweet? I really don't have much of a sweet tooth. ( Though my 15 year old daughter and 3 1/2 year old son thought it was quite a good candy bar. What they don't know won't hurt them) So there you have it.
Peace MF

I didnt taste the after taste on the almond bar either only on the pb bar, but you get used to it or atleast i did :)

[uhockey]

Ok I tried the Sustain Vanilla Almond bar.....................and its pretty good. One quick question though. Why is it made in Egypt? Any way props UHockey. Did you formulate this? I found it a little sweet but no disernable after taste that others have mentioned. I'd rate it a strong 8 out of 10 and for a Natural bar I'd say if it wasn't quite as sweet I'd give it a 10. I will have to try the other flavor. Is it as sweet? I really don't have much of a sweet tooth. ( Though my 15 year old daughter and 3 1/2 year old son thought it was quite a good candy bar. What they don't know won't hurt them) So there you have it.
Peace MF

A) The Egypt thing is all about sourcing and price. Greedy American workers. :)
B) Alas, no, I did not formulate this, but I had input.
C) Thanks for the feedback and I'm glad you enjoyed it. I think the PB Fudge ones are less sweet, but I actually do like the Vanilla Almond better. It's subjective.

[The Brotherhood]

ill order myself a pack of sustain when I get bulking, looking forward to it.

hockey, you dont answer your pms do you...

[uhockey]

ill order myself a pack of sustain when I get bulking, looking forward to it.

hockey, you dont answer your pms do you...

Um, I'm almost certain I answer all of my PMs, as I have zero unread and clear out my box daily.

Of course, questions pre-screened by the disclaimer in my sig are instantly deleted, so if the question was PH/PS/AAS related or "can I take Melting Point with Seroquel," no, I didn't answer.

[The Brotherhood]

I sent you a pm a couple of days ago asking what the writing on the wall in your avatar meant. Must have got lost in the sea of pms, whats your take on what it means ?

[uhockey]

I sent you a pm a couple of days ago asking what the writing on the wall in your avatar meant. Must have got lost in the sea of pms, whats your take on what it means ?

Consider it a proverb....and I did get that PM, and deleted it because proverbs are meant for personal interpretation. I believe it fits my personality to a very high degree, and it's placement on Venice Beach is very interesting, for a place so commercialized and tacky.

[The Brotherhood]

Yeah, I realised it was a pro-verb. I usually have interesting interpretations of proverbs; this is one of the absolute rare few proverbs that I cant find anything in...hence I was wondering what you thought it meant, since im not able to think of anything.

[njmuscle66]

Yeah, I realised it was a pro-verb. I usually have interesting interpretations of proverbs; this is one of the absolute rare few proverbs that I cant find anything in...hence I was wondering what you thought it meant, since im not able to think of anything.

How about don't be overwhelmed by the magnatitude of a particular task or problem (the mountain) but focus on overcoming the smaller manageable tasks (pebbles) that comprise the mountain-

now go squat nitant :)

[The Brotherhood]

How about don't be overwhelmed by the magnatitude of a particular task or problem (the mountain) but focus on overcoming the smaller manageable tasks (pebbles) that comprise the mountain-

now go squat nitant :)

Interesting. yeah, that makes sense. Similar to some lines I live by

goes something like this "Look long and hard at the destination in the horizon. Make the plan, and then forget the destination, focus on the journey and follow the plan. Youll get there eventually, looking up at the destination all the time will just have you stumbling and tripping, falling off-course"

[bobby_devgun]

u look huge and powerful... tell me about ur diet and products... sir my chest is week..tell me i want to use no shotgun(vpx)...... is it cool or tell me some other products u used.....

[kennethcr]

Zoneperfect are the best bars ever for me

[uhockey]

How about don't be overwhelmed by the magnatitude of a particular task or problem (the mountain) but focus on overcoming the smaller manageable tasks (pebbles) that comprise the mountain-

now go squat nitant :)


Interesting. yeah, that makes sense. Similar to some lines I live by

goes something like this "Look long and hard at the destination in the horizon. Make the plan, and then forget the destination, focus on the journey and follow the plan. Youll get there eventually, looking up at the destination all the time will just have you stumbling and tripping, falling off-course"

Appreciate the small things, don't be overwhelmed by the enormity of life. :)

...and take a Sustain bar with ya, because they're delicious.

[somaro]

great review bro, try popping it in the microwave for about 7-10 seconds or until warm (nothing over 15 seconds) will taste a bit better :)

I tried this today as I was too lazy to make myself anything. It was out of this world. Took the taste to a different dimension. Thanks for the tip

[greggamma]

Pro 42 Bar is what I currently choke down. Let's see a true review From Greggamma of "Buddha BodyBuilders"-- Well this soft brick goes hands down as the worst we have tried yet. With a consistency of a stall circus peanut covered with a carob tasting covering it ranks right up there with a brussel sprout. The taste lingers behind like fermented feed from a hog feeder with a nice formaldehyde aftertaste. Whatever it is it is NOT work the money, 42 grams of protein or not."

[HOPP750]

cant go wrong with detour bars man...havent tasted a bad flavor. and its a good way of tricking my taste buds into thinking its a cheat meal! haha

[uhockey]

cant go wrong with detour bars man...havent tasted a bad flavor. and its a good way of tricking my taste buds into thinking its a cheat meal! haha

Um, look at the ingredients.......they ARE a cheat meal. :) IMO, if I'm gonna eat something like Detour I'd rather get a nice piece of Tiramisu, Apple Pie, or Bread pudding and down a protein shake on the side.

[Jayman30187]

Sustain Bars aren't really all that much better than Detour in Health. Both have fat and sugar in them. If you get Detours smaller bar ingreidents aren't bad at all and comparable to Sustain bar. Detour taste better too.

Here is the link check it. If you decide on the bigger Detour bar it's 30 grams of protein. :)

http://www.detourbar.com/pop_ccrunchy.php



Here is a link to Sustain bars ingreidents

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/design/sustain.html

People act like the Sustain bar is as healthy as an apple and other bars are comparable to a choc sundae. Don't think so.

Oh and by the way! The smaller Detour bar is less calories than Sustain bar less sugar, less carbs and less fat. It's 5 grams less in protein but pound for pound detour wins. Detour has 3 grams sat fat and Sustain has 1.5 grams, but who cares. I wouldn't call the Detour bar exactly a snicker bar. All natural bars are nice and all, but I eat enough healthy all natural foods so not real concern. Also really nice when I can get Detour bars for $1 each :) Detour for the win.

[ChplHillGymGirl]

this may have already been written, but for taste i like the labrada rockin roll bar. tastes just like a payday candy bar, even when i'm not carb-deprived.

[nni]

Sustain Bars aren't really all that much better than Detour in Health. Both have fat and sugar in them. If you get Detours smaller bar ingreidents aren't bad at all and comparable to Sustain bar. Detour taste better too.

Here is the link check it. If you decide on the bigger Detour bar it's 30 grams of protein. :)

http://www.detourbar.com/pop_ccrunchy.php



Here is a link to Sustain bars ingreidents

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/design/sustain.html

People act like the Sustain bar is as healthy as an apple and other bars are comparable to a choc sundae. Don't think so.

Oh and by the way! The smaller Detour bar is less calories than Sustain bar less sugar, less carbs and less fat. It's 5 grams less in protein but pound for pound detour wins. Detour has 3 grams sat fat and Sustain has 1.5 grams, but who cares. I wouldn't call the Detour bar exactly a snicker bar. All natural bars are nice and all, but I eat enough healthy all natural foods so not real concern. Also really nice when I can get Detour bars for $1 each :) Detour for the win.


you dont think so, and thats good for you. you arent comparing ingredients and that is what counts. here is your detour bar, lets look for what is not healthy for you.....

Designer Whey Protein®Blend[(Whey Protein Concentrate, Pduf Whey Protein™Isolate, Hydrolyzed Whey Protein), Soy Protein Isolate], Chocolate Flavored Coating(Sugar, Partially Hydrogenated Palm Kernel Oil, Nonfat Dry Milk Solids, Cocoa Powder Processed With Alkali, Whole Milk Solids, Soy Lecithin, Natural Flavor, Salt And Artificial Flavor), Glycerlean™(99.7% USP Glycerine, Taurine, L-Leucine, Cla), Water, Peanuts, Caramel[Sweetened Condensed Milk, Corn Syrup, Vegetable Oil(Soybean/Cottonseed), Sugar, Hgh Fructose Corn SyrupWhey Protein Concentrate, Soy Lecithin], Gelatin, Calcium Caseinate, Inulin, Natural Peanut Flavor, Rice Flour, Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Salt, Potassium Sorbate(As A Preservative), Sucralose, Neotame

they should taste good. again sustain bars have a much better INGREDIENT PROFILE. that cannot be argued, flavoring and cals is entirely subjective.

i personally dont care which you buy, but facts are facts.

[Jayman30187]

Ok looking at the ingredients on my actual detour bar right now....New formula.

Calories 160

Total fat 4.5 grams

Saturated fat 2 grams

Trans fat 0

Cholesterol 5mg

Potassium 100mg

Total carbs 16g

Fiber 1g

Protein 15g

Sustain is closer to a candy bar I believe than this bar. Sustain is higher in everything that isn't good like fats and Sugars.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Partially Hydrogenated Palm Kernel Oil

Hgh Fructose Corn SyrupWhey

Corn Syrup

Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil

All been removed from the new formula so that's good :)

[The Brotherhood]

you havent shown us the ingredient profile of detour bars yet, just the macronutrient breakdown.

Sustain bars have quality fats and carbs.

[Jayman30187]

Saturated fat isn't real good I don't think? High quality Saturated fat? Nah

Can't find the ingredients online the new bar is brand new. Next time you're at wal-mart check out the label on one. I like the price on Detour at $1 a bar. I don't sit around and eat them all day so not really all that concerned. Bassically if you find a bar that's priced good doesn't have a whole lot of bad stuff in it and you like the taste it's a winner. The healthy choice is to eat real foods. At work I like to eat a protein bar when I get busy and don't have time to take a lunch. I am just honest when it comes to things I like better. If you find something you like better than a Designer product they tend to get there panties in a knot I noticed. Lots of People like Designer supplements and that is cool, lots of People like other things also.

Cry?

[The Brotherhood]

sat fat has been shown raise test levels, and is required in a diet in moderation.

I dont go to walmart, we dont have one here.

The sustain bar has all natural ingredients - the formula of the detour bars on bb.com cyberstore has crappy ingredients like high fructose corn syrup etc.

[Jayman30187]

I don't buy those Detour bars. I buy the new ones. I agree the ones you see online do have crappy ingredients.

[retro_roots]

I don't buy those Detour bars. I buy the new ones. I agree the ones you see online do have crappy ingredients.

Thats why I've been saying Detour all along. I just checked mine they have none of the things listed. They do have a suspiciuos thing called Fractured Oils though.

[Jayman30187]

With good training and a clean diet no kind of protein bar is going to kill you or set you back in any way. Now if you eat several a day probably wouldn't be good. I eat one Detour a day, isn't going to break. They are easy, have some protein in them and they are cheap. SOLD


I think Apple Pie and bread pudding would be alot worse than a little Detour bar. LOL It's the difference between getting 160 calories with a little bit of fat VS Getting 700 Calories and a $hit load fat. It's like comparing a single snicker bar to a whole entire Pizza. LOL

[uhockey]

With good training and a clean diet no kind of protein bar is going to kill you or set you back in any way. Now if you eat several a day probably wouldn't be good. I eat one Detour a day, isn't going to break. They are easy, have some protein in them and they are cheap. SOLD


I think Apple Pie and bread pudding would be alot worse than a little Detour bar. LOL It's the difference between getting 160 calories with a little bit of fat VS Getting 700 Calories and a $hit load fat. It's like comparing a single snicker bar to a whole entire Pizza. LOL

I'd rather have a nice organic pizza than a snickers bar filled with all that ****.

The sugars in Sustain bar are raw honey. The fats are from natural peanuts. The only "sugars" are <1g found in the cocoa covering. To compare detour bars to them is a joke.

[Mickfootie]

Sustain bars are one of the best i have tasted. I got the Vanilla and the Peanut and both are great tasting and good on the product profile too....

[Twin Peak]

Saturated fat isn't real good I don't think? High quality Saturated fat? Nah

Can't find the ingredients online the new bar is brand new. Next time you're at wal-mart check out the label on one. I like the price on Detour at $1 a bar. I don't sit around and eat them all day so not really all that concerned. Bassically if you find a bar that's priced good doesn't have a whole lot of bad stuff in it and you like the taste it's a winner. The healthy choice is to eat real foods. At work I like to eat a protein bar when I get busy and don't have time to take a lunch. I am just honest when it comes to things I like better. If you find something you like better than a Designer product they tend to get there panties in a knot I noticed. Lots of People like Designer supplements and that is cool, lots of People like other things also.

Cry?

Excuse me while I unknot my panties....but anyway, yeah, detours taste good and are not bad as a treat once in a while. But frankly, I'd rather have an Oh Yeah! bar, if I am looking for such a treat.

On the other hand, many people feel the Sustain Bar tastes just as good or better then these bars, and as people have said, it is all natural, and the "sugar" is from raw honey, and the fat from "nuts." If you are looking for something clean, there is nothing better.

P.S. No one has their panties in a bunch, rather, people are taking objection to silly statements that permiate this thread.

[Mickfootie]

Sustain Bar it is all natural, the "sugar" is from raw honey, and the fat from "nuts." If you are looking for something clean, there is nothing better.


Agreed... :)

[nni]

being as you are basically saying you are right because you are right, i decided to go to next's site and check it out, and every bar has what i listed. there are go bars which are all nautural , and those contain FRUCTOSE, CORN SYRUP SOLIDS. again best tasting is entirely subjective, i can take an almond joy, sprinkle some whey in it and call it a protein bar and it will taste great. simply put sustain and zero impact have the best INGREDIENT profiles out there.

[alecto42c]

sustain hands down wins, if your in it for the taste u might as well go to dairy queen and get a blizzard, that'll satisify your taste buds

[uhockey]

sustain hands down wins, if your in it for the taste u might as well go to dairy queen and get a blizzard, that'll satisify your taste buds

I'm currently working on Sustain icecream. :) Can't get the consistency right, but cottage cheese, sustain, and xanthan gum are the base.

It's much more healthy than Detour......or a Blizzard. ;)

[JackDano]

o yeah or Detour bars rock out hardcore.

[Boxer757]

The sugars in Sustain bar are raw honey. The fats are from natural peanuts. The only "sugars" are <1g found in the cocoa covering. To compare detour bars to them is a joke.

I have to admit it, at first I was like "Man, uhockey is pimping the **** out of these Sustain bars..." It wasn't that I didn't trust your opinion but seeing how adamant you were about the product and that you were a rep just kept me skeptical.

But I ordered two boxes of the peanut butter fudge and I have to say great job. I now know why you are really standing behind the Sustain bars so proudly. They taste awesome and the ingredient profile is so clean that unlike most protein bars I don't feel guilty after I have one.

I may have to splurge for some of the Sustain mix pretty soon when I go on a cut considering it only has 4g of carbs :eek: if it tastes anything like the bars then rock on.

Props to DS for making my favortie protein bar I have tried so far.

[uhockey]

I have to admit it, at first I was like "Man, uhockey is pimping the **** out of these Sustain bars..." It wasn't that I didn't trust your opinion but seeing how adamant you were about the product and that you were a rep just kept me skeptical.

But I ordered two boxes of the peanut butter fudge and I have to say great job. I now know why you are really standing behind the Sustain bars so proudly. They taste awesome and the ingredient profile is so clean that unlike most protein bars I don't feel guilty after I have one.

I may have to splurge for some of the Sustain mix pretty soon when I go on a cut considering it only has 4g of carbs :eek: if it tastes anything like the bars then rock on.

Props to DS for making my favortie protein bar I have tried so far.


I've said it before, I'll say it again. Whether people love me or hate me, I don't support products I don't believe in. The products I recommend the most are the ones I love the most. It's why you'll see me frequently recommend things like Body Octane, Scorch, and Xtend when I'm not a rep for those companies.

Sustain protein, IMO, is better than the bars.

[alecto42c]

its actually nice to get an honest opinion sometimes, i'm with uhockey on this one, the topic is best "overall", to some that may be taste, but to others its obviously the nutritional profile of the bar, and that plays a huge role when i look at a bar compared if for the 3-5 minutes i'm eating it, it tastes somewhat descent.

[notalent2002]

I just ordered a few boxes of the promax bars. Got them today and damn....they are delicious and filling IMO. It aint no snickers, but you cant expect it to be.

[MUSCLE FORTRESS]

and that is why I don't eat to many bars. It's hard to make protein taste good without carbs or fat and if ya do the actuall food value plummets to just above that of the wrapper it comes in. I actually like the sustain bar, Oh Yaa's natural bars and the Natural Bar but wouldn't eat any of them on low carb diet. Thank God I'm not! peace


you dont think so, and thats good for you. you arent comparing ingredients and that is what counts. here is your detour bar, lets look for what is not healthy for you.....

Designer Whey Protein®Blend[(Whey Protein Concentrate, Pduf Whey Protein™Isolate, Hydrolyzed Whey Protein), Soy Protein Isolate], Chocolate Flavored Coating(Sugar, Partially Hydrogenated Palm Kernel Oil, Nonfat Dry Milk Solids, Cocoa Powder Processed With Alkali, Whole Milk Solids, Soy Lecithin, Natural Flavor, Salt And Artificial Flavor), Glycerlean™(99.7% USP Glycerine, Taurine, L-Leucine, Cla), Water, Peanuts, Caramel[Sweetened Condensed Milk, Corn Syrup, Vegetable Oil(Soybean/Cottonseed), Sugar, Hgh Fructose Corn SyrupWhey Protein Concentrate, Soy Lecithin], Gelatin, Calcium Caseinate, Inulin, Natural Peanut Flavor, Rice Flour, Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Salt, Potassium Sorbate(As A Preservative), Sucralose, Neotame

they should taste good. again sustain bars have a much better INGREDIENT PROFILE. that cannot be argued, flavoring and cals is entirely subjective.

i personally dont care which you buy, but facts are facts.

[Boxer757]

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Whether people love me or hate me, I don't support products I don't believe in. The products I recommend the most are the ones I love the most. It's why you'll see me frequently recommend things like Body Octane, Scorch, and Xtend when I'm not a rep for those companies.

Sustain protein, IMO, is better than the bars.

Yeah I didn't mean that to come off as an insult or anything. You were definately right about the sustain bars. I'm pretty sure i'll be ordering some of that sustain protein soon...

j/w why is it better than the bar in your opinion?

[bravo03_old]

Yeah I didn't mean that to come off as an insult or anything. You were definately right about the sustain bars. I'm pretty sure i'll be ordering some of that sustain protein soon...

j/w why is it better than the bar in your opinion?

he does push sustain bar alot because the feedback on it is really good and the bar it self is really good, ingredient list is honorable with all natural stuff and no additional bull **** bad oils and bad sugars.

i constantly see great things about them, everyday the cravings for ordering a box gets bigger lol cuz i see it so often on here.

anyways he can answer it better with his own opinion

[Boxer757]

he does push sustain bar alot because the feedback on it is really good and the bar it self is really good, ingredient list is honorable with all natural stuff and no additional bull **** bad oils and bad sugars.

i constantly see great things about them, everyday the cravings for ordering a box gets bigger lol cuz i see it so often on here.

anyways he can answer it better with his own opinion

Yeah man I have two boxes and I think they are great. Best protein bar i've had IMO.

I was refering to why he thought the Sustain protein was better than the Sustain bar though. J/W what made it better besides maybe the carb difference

[bravo03_old]

Yeah man I have two boxes and I think they are great. Best protein bar i've had IMO.

I was refering to why he thought the Sustain protein was better than the Sustain bar though. J/W what made it better besides maybe the carb difference

quality i think so, 4 carbs per serving is typical for protein but it does have 0 sugar, anyways yes yes i did just order a box of sustain bars, cant wait to finally see what everybody here rants about, vanilla almond btw :)

[Boxer757]

quality i think so, 4 carbs per serving is typical for protein but it does have 0 sugar, anyways yes yes i did just order a box of sustain bars, cant wait to finally see what everybody here rants about, vanilla almond btw :)

Yeah I was just thinking Sustain bar=35g carbs Suatain protein=4g carbs so i figured that would be his main point... good point on the sugars though

Yeah i've got the PBF and I love em, they're like candy

[proud heritage]

my favorite bars so far are Steel Bar,by ABB(American Body Building).i just bought the rocky road flavor,they're pretty good,not chalky like most bars.i bought them because they're affordable,have 18 grams protein 11 vitamins,8 minerals,they also come 24 in a box.i like to eat a couple of them when ever i cant fit in one of my in between meals, meal.

[uhockey]

Yeah I didn't mean that to come off as an insult or anything. You were definately right about the sustain bars. I'm pretty sure i'll be ordering some of that sustain protein soon...

j/w why is it better than the bar in your opinion?

I had more of a say in the protein for one. ;)

For two, I prefer the ability to customize my carbs via Oats or Supercarb. I spend a lot of time at the clinic or hospital and often make MRPs of Oats/Peanuts/Protein, and I generally follow a carb taper diet, so customization is important.

For three, the flavor on Sustain powder is incredible......I'm still not sure how they did it with only 4 carbs (2 being from inulin, which is reason #4)

[retro_roots]

you dont think so, and thats good for you. you arent comparing ingredients and that is what counts. here is your detour bar, lets look for what is not healthy for you.....

Designer Whey Protein®Blend[(Whey Protein Concentrate, Pduf Whey Protein™Isolate, Hydrolyzed Whey Protein), Soy Protein Isolate], Chocolate Flavored Coating(Sugar, Partially Hydrogenated Palm Kernel Oil, Nonfat Dry Milk Solids, Cocoa Powder Processed With Alkali, Whole Milk Solids, Soy Lecithin, Natural Flavor, Salt And Artificial Flavor), Glycerlean™(99.7% USP Glycerine, Taurine, L-Leucine, Cla), Water, Peanuts, Caramel[Sweetened Condensed Milk, Corn Syrup, Vegetable Oil(Soybean/Cottonseed), Sugar, Hgh Fructose Corn SyrupWhey Protein Concentrate, Soy Lecithin], Gelatin, Calcium Caseinate, Inulin, Natural Peanut Flavor, Rice Flour, Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Salt, Potassium Sorbate(As A Preservative), Sucralose, Neotame

they should taste good. again sustain bars have a much better INGREDIENT PROFILE. that cannot be argued, flavoring and cals is entirely subjective.

i personally dont care which you buy, but facts are facts.

This was the profile for the old Detour bars heres what the new ones have:

INGREDIENTS: DESIGNER WHEY PROTEIN® BLEND [(WHEY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, PDUF® WHEY PROTEIN ISOLATE, HYDROLYZED WHEY PROTEIN), SOY PROTEIN ISOLATE], GLYCERLEAN™ [99.7% USP GLYCERINE, TAURINE, L-LEUCINE, CLA], MILK CHOCOLATE FLAVORED COATING (MALTITOL, FRACTIONATED PALM KERNEL OIL, NON-FAT DRY MILK, COCOA POWDER (PROCESSED WITH ALKALI), SOY LECITHIN, SALT, VANILLA), SUGAR FREE CARAMEL (MALTITOL, NON-FAT DRY MILK, FRACTIONATED PALM KERNEL OIL, CREAM, BUTTER, NATURAL FLAVORS, SALT, DISODIUM PHOSPHATE, LECITHIN), PEANUTS, WATER, GELATIN, CALCIUM CASEINATE, COCOA BUTTER, NATURAL PEANUT FLAVOR, INULIN, RICE FLOUR, MONO AND DI-GLYCERIDES, SALT, POTASSIUM SORBATE (AS A PRESERVATIVE), CAFFEINE, NATURAL FLAVOR, SUCRALOSE, NATURAL VITAMIN E (AS MIXED TOCOPHEROLS), NEOTAME. ALLERGY WARNING: PRODUCT CONTAINS PEANUTS, SOY AND MILK PRODUCTS.


I would agree that Sustain bars do have a better source of fat (Peanut Butter Peanuts, Vegatable Oil v. A number of things) I would rather go with the protein sources in Detour (Whey Blend, Soy v. Sodium caseinate, whey protein concentrate, soy protein isolate) and I'm not sure where I stand on the carb issue (Sugar Alcohals v. Honey).

The real difference for me is price (the price I got them for was very reasonable) and the big one is macro breakdown.

[uhockey]

......I prefer the Sustain sources, personally. And regarding the carb issue....I'll take a natural source of antioxidants and a myriad of health benefits from raw honey over a processed source that causes bloating, flatulence, and GI distress in many from Sugar Alcohols.

[retro_roots]

......I prefer the Sustain sources, personally. And regarding the carb issue....I'll take a natural source of antioxidants and a myriad of health benefits from raw honey over a processed source that causes bloating, flatulence, and GI distress in many from Sugar Alcohols.

Thats fine. But still comes down to 16g of Sugar v. 3g and 20g of Protein v. 30g.

[Boxer757]

I had more of a say in the protein for one. ;)

For two, I prefer the ability to customize my carbs via Oats or Supercarb. I spend a lot of time at the clinic or hospital and often make MRPs of Oats/Peanuts/Protein, and I generally follow a carb taper diet, so customization is important.

For three, the flavor on Sustain powder is incredible......I'm still not sure how they did it with only 4 carbs (2 being from inulin, which is reason #4)

I sea, those are some good reasons.

[Jayman30187]

Pure Protein Bars

Nutrition Facts:
Serving Size (bar) 1
Servings Per Box: 12 bars
Calories 270
Fat Calories 50
Total Fat (g) 6
Sat. Fat (g) 4
Cholesterol (mg) 10
Sodium (mg) 100
Total Carbs (g) 27
Dietary Fiber (g) 1
Sugars (g) 5
Proteins (g) 32


Ingredient Details:
Protein Blend (contains: calcium caseinate, hydrolyzed protein, whey protein isolate), glycerine, chocolate coating (contains: beet sugar, fractionated canola oil, non-fat dry milk, cocoa powder, lecithin, salt), natural flavors, cocoa powder

Now this is a nice looking profile for a protein bar. WOW

[INGENIUM]

Pure Protein Bars

Nutrition Facts:
Serving Size (bar) 1
Servings Per Box: 12 bars
Calories 270
Fat Calories 50
Total Fat (g) 6
Sat. Fat (g) 4
Cholesterol (mg) 10
Sodium (mg) 100
Total Carbs (g) 27
Dietary Fiber (g) 1
Sugars (g) 5
Proteins (g) 32


Ingredient Details:
Protein Blend (contains: calcium caseinate, hydrolyzed protein, whey protein isolate), glycerine, chocolate coating (contains: beet sugar, fractionated canola oil, non-fat dry milk, cocoa powder, lecithin, salt), natural flavors, cocoa powder

Now this is a nice looking profile for a protein bar. WOW
gotta link? that is NOT the ingredients from a Worldwide Pure Protein bar...because i am looking at one right now

[nni]

i used to like the pure bars. and yeah, im not sure what profile that is of. pure are loaded with sugar alcohols.

[INGENIUM]

i used to like the pure bars. and yeah, im not sure what profile that is of. pure are loaded with sugar alcohols.
indeed


Protein Blend (Hydrolyzed Collagen, Whey Protein Isolate, Whey Protein Hydrolysate, Milk Protein Isolate, Calcium Caseinate), Coating (Sugar, Palm Kernel Oil, Cocoa [processed with alkali], Whey Powder, Soy Lecithin, Salt), Glycerine, Water, Soy Protein Rice Crisps (Soy Protein Isolate, Rice Flour, Malt Extract), Dry Roasted Peanuts, Maltitol, Peanut Flour, Natural and Artificial Flavor, Chocolate Flavored Chips, (Lactitol, Chocolate Liquor, Cocoa Butter, Soy Lecithin, Vanilla, Acesulfame K), Cocoa Soy Pieces (Soy Protein Isolate, Rice Flour, Sugar Cocoa, Artificial Flavor), Honey, Calcium Carbonate, Sorbitol, Vitamin and Mineral Blend (Ascorbic Acid, Tricalcium Phosphate, d-Alpha-Tocopheryl Acetate, Niacinamide, Zinc Oxide, Copper Gluconate, Calcium d-Pantothenate, Retinyl Palmitate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid, Biotin, Potassium Iodide, Cyanocobalamin), Salt, Sucralose, Potasisum Sorbate (preservative).

[Crunchbar]

I'm currently working on Sustain icecream. :) Can't get the consistency right, but cottage cheese, sustain, and xanthan gum are the base.

It's much more healthy than Detour......or a Blizzard. ;)

Sustain + cottage cheese + blueberries + almond butter freeking pwns!

[Jayman30187]

Found the stats on global Nutriton for the Pure protein bar stats.

[butterscotch]

my favorite bars so far are Steel Bar,by ABB(American Body Building).i just bought the rocky road flavor,they're pretty good,not chalky like most bars.i bought them because they're affordable,have 18 grams protein 11 vitamins,8 minerals,they also come 24 in a box.i like to eat a couple of them when ever i cant fit in one of my in between meals, meal.

I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS ONE... I WAS LOOKING THROUGH SOME BARS AND STEEL BAR HAS THE BEST VALUE BY FAR!!!!! ANYONE INTERESTED CHECK IT OUT 250 CALORIES PER BAR AND A BOX OF 24 IS 22.99 (CARBS 36g, Protein 16g, Fat 4.5g)

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/abb/steel.html

[JohnBonez]

what about those met-rx big 100's?

[uhockey]

what about those met-rx big 100's?

Look at the ingredients........no.

[irondawg725]

Biotest Grow Bars

[alecto42c]

although value for the ABB steel bars may be best, you truely pay for what you get, look at the ingrediants,

second primary souce of protein is soy,

there is high fructose corn syrup in this bar.... (BLAH)

then normal corn syrup coating

additional sugar/salt/corn syrup to make it crunchy

and then to finish it off some fructose..


i'd stay away from these bars,

before you look @ macro's check out ingrediants

[njmuscle66]

Biotest Grow Bars

Grow Bars were my favorite prior to the Sustain bar. The lemon was really good. I guess they dont make them (lemon) any more?

[The Brotherhood]

although value for the ABB steel bars may be best, you truely pay for what you get, look at the ingrediants,

second primary souce of protein is soy,

there is high fructose corn syrup in this bar.... (BLAH)

then normal corn syrup coating

additional sugar/salt/corn syrup to make it crunchy

and then to finish it off some fructose..


i'd stay away from these bars,

before you look @ macro's check out ingrediants

Depends on what your interested in. I look at macros and sugars in my bars, that is all. Couldnt care less about ingredients.

[njmuscle66]

Couldnt care less about ingredients.

Interesting thought process :)

[nni]

Depends on what your interested in. I look at macros and sugars in my bars, that is all. Couldnt care less about ingredients.

that is hysterical. so if they had partially hydrogenated dog ****, thats cool with you as long as they are low in sugar.

that was the funniest post i read in a while, thanks!

[The Brotherhood]

I doubt the FDA would let them add dog ****, but im fine with partially hydrogenated oils etc. Macros make the physique, ingredients only play a small part, and I use bars sparingly here and there. Id rather have a bar that fits easily into my macros and has some crap in it than a bar with an awesome ingredient profile but doesnt fit into my macros, like the sustain bar. The carbs in the sustain bar are too high for me.

[nni]

I doubt the FDA would let them add dog ****, but im fine with partially hydrogenated oils etc. Macros make the physique, ingredients only play a small part, and I use bars sparingly here and there. Id rather have a bar that fits easily into my macros and has some crap in it than a bar with an awesome ingredient profile but doesnt fit into my macros, like the sustain bar. The carbs in the sustain bar are too high for me.

thats fine. its still great that you are willing to eat foods that are clinically unhealthy for you as long as they fit your macros. and this has nothing to do with the sustain bar, so i have no idea why you mentioned it.

[The Brotherhood]

I used the sustain bar as an example because it has the best ingredient profile of any bar on the market at the moment, but the macros dont suite me.

Of course im ready to. Small doses of crap a couple of times a week arnt going to cause me any trouble, going over my macros a couple of times a week will.

Unless you use 2-3 bars a day as a staple in your diet, the doses of these clincally unhealthy ingredients are barely going to impact me. Perhaps ill worry about ingredient profile when im 40. Right now, the only thing that bothers me is my macros.

[njmuscle66]

I used the sustain bar as an example because it has the best ingredient profile of any bar on the market at the moment, but the macros dont suite me.

Of course im ready to. Small doses of crap a couple of times a week arnt going to cause me any trouble, going over my macros a couple of times a week will.

Unless you use 2-3 bars a day as a staple in your diet, the doses of these clincally unhealthy ingredients are barely going to impact me. Perhaps ill worry about ingredient profile when im 40. Right now, the only thing that bothers me is my macros.

since you used the term marcos in your post three time (that might be a bb.com record :) what exactly are your macros

so lets take two identical twins using a 40/40/20 split and 3000 calories per day and the same training protocol

The first person takes 300 grams of protein in the form of high quality protein powders, eggs , chicken. 300 grams of complex carbs and 66 g of fish oils

The second takes in 300 grams of protein from soy protein powder, tofu, etc
300 grams of carbs in the form of simple sugars and 66 grams of fat from butter

Are you honestly going to say that their results wont be influcenced by the quality of the ingedients they consume?

[The Brotherhood]

1) Theres a difference between getting ALL your macros from inferior foods, and getting a 50 gram bar worth of food every third day from inferior foods with the rest of your intake being of typically high quality ingredients

2) I still hold my view on GI that it is irrelevant to bodycomposition in terms of fat gained/lost

3) Same with fats. Benefits of quality EFAs are numerous, including their health, joint lubricating,and cerebral function benefits, and possible decrease in blood lipid levels. Ignoring the blood lipid level reduction observed in fish oil and other EFA supplementation, I believe the quality of the fat source will not make a difference to body composition. It is a matter of heat gained or lost within a closed system like the human body, and a carb has 4 calories, gram of fat has 9 calories, and protein 4 calories.

[nni]

1) Theres a difference between getting ALL your macros from inferior foods, and getting a 50 gram bar worth of food every third day from inferior foods with the rest of your intake being of typically high quality ingredients

2) I still hold my view on GI that it is irrelevant to bodycomposition in terms of fat gained/lost

3) Same with fats. Benefits of quality EFAs are numerous, including their health, joint lubricating,and cerebral function benefits, and possible decrease in blood lipid levels. Ignoring the blood lipid level reduction observed in fish oil and other EFA supplementation, I believe the quality of the fat source will not make a difference to body composition. It is a matter of heat gained or lost within a closed system like the human body, and a carb has 4 calories, gram of fat has 9 calories, and protein 4 calories.

awesome, your wrong, but at least you stand by your convictions. maybe you should take a listen to njmuscle as you can obviously see he knows what he is taking about. that being said, im done. i do enjoy your posts though!

[njmuscle66]

1) Theres a difference between getting ALL your macros from inferior foods, and getting a 50 gram bar worth of food every third day from inferior foods with the rest of your intake being of typically high quality ingredients

2) I still hold my view on GI that it is irrelevant to bodycomposition in terms of fat gained/lost

3) Same with fats. Benefits of quality EFAs are numerous, including their health, joint lubricating,and cerebral function benefits, and possible decrease in blood lipid levels. Ignoring the blood lipid level reduction observed in fish oil and other EFA supplementation, I believe the quality of the fat source will not make a difference to body composition. It is a matter of heat gained or lost within a closed system like the human body, and a carb has 4 calories, gram of fat has 9 calories, and protein 4 calories.

Point 1-That was not what you said. You said, "I could care less about ingredients, macros is where it is at"
Point 2 and Point 3- Interesting viewpoint :)

Break time is over for me-I must get back to my work

[The Brotherhood]

I didnt say I couldnt care less about the ingrediets of my overall diet. I couldnt care less about the ingredients of a high protein candy bar that I use to satiate cravings, while fitting it into my macros, every now and then.

[njmuscle66]

I didnt say I couldnt care less about the ingrediets of my overall diet. I couldnt care less about the ingredients of a high protein candy bar that I use to satiate cravings, while fitting it into my macros, every now and then.

I stand corrected but I did enjoy hearing about your other nutritional theories

[uhockey]

I doubt the FDA would let them add dog ****, but im fine with partially hydrogenated oils etc.


Interesting thought process :)

Er.....Chuck, I think you mean lack of thought process, right?

[The Brotherhood]

really? why? because the fats in partially hydrogenated oils have a higher calorific value per gram?

Yes, theyre "clinically unhealthy", but I seriously doubt a couple of grams of the stuff here and there is going to have much of a negative impact on my health. I know it wont impact my physique.

[njmuscle66]

. I know it wont impact my physique.


So much to say but I will refrain :)

[The Brotherhood]

Please explain to me how using a crappy fat source every second or third day, for a few grams of fat, will affect my physique negatively.

[njmuscle66]

Please explain to me how using a crappy fat source every second or third day, for a few grams of fat, will affect my physique negatively.

If this is directed at me-that was not where i was going when I said I would refrain from comment

[uhockey]

Please explain to me how using a crappy fat source every second or third day, for a few grams of fat, will affect my physique negatively.

If your physique actually means more to you than your cardiovascular health, you're either making a living off your looks (model, professional bodybuilder), and idiot, or both. There is ZERO place in society or your diet for trans-fats or HFCS, regardless of effects "on your physique"

[The Brotherhood]

@ chuck - Physique means the way your body looks, it doesnt mean you look great. Yeah yeah I look like crap, I should eat more, my mother should be ashamed of me, my dad should puke his guts, whatever

@ uhockey - I honestly would like to know what the cardiovascular ill-effects of trans-fats and HFCs, specifically in small quantities such as in protein bars, especially when the protein bar isnt consumed often. TBH, I havent researched much about the health effects. Care to enlighten :)