View Full Version : Newbie: 1-AD Experience
07-25-2002, 10:15 AM
First off the basics: I am 31 years old, and have been working out on and off for 13 years (working out consistently for the past year). Am 5'9" and weigh 190# (don't kinow body fat% or measurements, a bit portly probably need to lose 20 pounds). My gains leveled off recently which is why I decided to try Ergopharm's 1-AD.
Workout: Day 1 Chest, tri, shoulders Day 2 Back, bi Day 3 Legs, hit each bodypart 2x per 8 days. 1 set per exercise, 6-8 reps per set,failure on all sets, 2-4 exercises perbodypart.
I am familiar with supplements such as MRP, Glutamine, and creatine etc.
I took 1 bottle of ergopharm's 1-AD over 17 days (approximatel 3-5 capsules a day, 300-500 mg). I tried to take 2 caps 1 hour b/4 workout.
The Good: 1. My strength went up examples 65# dumbell bench presses went to 80#
55# incline " " " went to 65#
80# pec-deck went to 110#
80# side lateral machine went to 110#
90# tricep pushdown went to 120#
150# lat pulldown went 170#
70# barbell curl went to 80#
270# leg press went to 320#
I thought these gains were nothing short of phenomenal considering the amount taken and the duration of cycle. I stopped the cycle 1 week ago, new strength has maintained.
2. Gained muscle (bodyfat stayed about the same, don't know how much muscle gained, but could tell in the mirror and friends/family commented).
3. For the first 10 days my mood was elevated and was more aggressive.
The Bad: My low back (kidneys started to hurt about day 12, my cycle stopped about 1 week ago it now is feeling better). Libido went down, now better. I had some headaches which I attributed to 1-AD (they weren't too bad, now gone). Sleepy toward the end of cycle. Expensive,and I only used 1 bottle.
The Ugly: developed acne, not too bad now better. Testicles shrunk a little.
Conclusions: I had planned on going another 2 weeks, but with the side effects I decided to stop. Again, my strength and muscle gains were nothing short of amazing (considering length of use and dosage). I don't know how people can afford 900mg for 8 weeks (that would be 8 bottles and approximately 300$). Plus, I think that would be overkill (I had side effects with 1 bottle, I could only imagine what it would have been with 8 bottles. I plan on doing another cycle (same dosage and length in another 3 weeks, but let's face it this stuff is not good for you. Any person considering using this product should fully research what they may be getting into (the Big Cat's articles on prohormones are a great place to start). Also, if you do decide to try this product start slowly with dosage and work your way up, and use your brain (listen to your body).
I have tried to be as objective as I could.
You pays your money and you takes your chances.
07-25-2002, 11:39 AM
Is there another option for you in terms of prohormone or AS? Would 1-test have higher probability for side effects? From reading here people using TrenabolX are having less side effects.
If one was to use 1AD or 1 Test and want something 'less risky', what is the next best choice(s)?
07-25-2002, 11:53 AM
I do not have many answers for you. This was my first prohormone cycle so I have no personal experience with other prohormones. The Big Cat says that Nordiol seems to be one of the "safer" prohormones. Also, decent gains. Read The Big Cat's articles on prohormones to decide which is best for you.
07-25-2002, 03:03 PM
Well I did an 8 week cycle of 1Ad at 900 mgs a day along with 4AD all oral. In the end I ended up with some major lower back pain so i stopped at about 71/2 weeks. Some ball shrinkage, no balding but I am not predisposed to it, hard to tell anyways since I shave my head so close. I had excellent gains and I still have them 215 to 220 to 235 lowered body fat and added 1 inch to all muscle groups at 5'9". I am still 230-235 lbs damn heat it is hard to eat. This was back in April,May and beginning of June. Nordiol will make your dick crawl up inside of you, due to the fact it is a precursor to Nandrolone Decanate the active ingredient (steroid) in Deca Durobolin ie.... Deca Dick. If that is what you want then go for it but the orals have such a low conversion rate that transdermal is the only way to go, even the diol versions. Check Avant Labs-w3.mindandmuscle.com or w3.1fast********. They have the base powders and the gels and are the most reputable. I would personally go to the transdermals over the orals. The orals are more convienient and the transdermals a little messy but I do believe the lowerback pain will not appear that way unless they are cramps not kidney pain as PA- Patrick Arnold claims. The side effects are less with the Nordiol except for the deca dick and severe libido loss, but the 1test products are the way to go. I am getting ready to go on an 8-10 week "super one +" cycle. That is a transdermal 1 test and 4ad with more 1test than just regular "one+". The one test will kill your libido but with the 4ad giving you the slight aromatase to estrogen will help you keep the ol sex drive goin even though your balls are a shrinkin. It is a decision that you being a MATURE ADULT need to make after properly educating yourself and planning your cycle and post cycle recovery as well as diet and training while on your cycle and after. If you do not do this properly then you might as well flush your money down the toilet, it would be a safer and wiser thing to do. You have a good start by reading articles now search on this site and others for all information you will need. Enough searches and you will find legitamate sources and information on how to complete your cycles pre, during, and post. Good luck-JMB
juan hung lo
07-26-2002, 06:48 AM
Im surprised at how many people post about kidney pain or pain urinating with this stuff.
if you have healthy kidneys, unless you have a urinary tract infection, the clap, or a kidney stone...you should not have this.
DRINK MORE WATER
not cola, beer, tea, coffee
Im a recovering "pepsi-holic" myself..heh
07-26-2002, 07:26 AM
agree. i haven't felt any of this kidney pain either. i've drank 2-3 gallons of water everyday religioulsly now for over a year. u really have to drink alot and force yourself to. i keep a old 1 gallon jug bottle that had cranberry juice in it from the store with me at all times. and i mean with me at all times. it goes to the gym, on my desk at the office, in my car, etc.
2 gallons of water is a ****load of water and if u don't constantly try to drink it u'll never drink enuf. remember that 1 gallon equals 128 ounces and 128 ounces equal 16 8oz cups. so u need to drink "at least" 16 8oz cups of water just to hit 1 gallon. most ppl are not even close to being hydrated enuf and 1 gallon would only cover what you need for basic functions the body needs. so as athletes or trainers, we need to make sure we get more than 1 gallon since we lose so much during training as well as those takin creatine.
fletch...............GO DRINK MORE WATER :)
07-26-2002, 09:56 AM
I agree with you fletch............I have been drinking at least 1 gallon of water a day since March 2001. Actually, I kinda took it to an extreme. I haven't had any type of soft drink / carbonated beverage or tea since then. All I drink is milk and water.
What can I say, I piss a lot, but I have some pretty healthy kidneys, a lot less headaches, and probalby won't end up being diabetic from drinking all the sugary cola's out there.
I have been carrying a 1 gallon jug around with me everywhere for over a year now. I get strange looks from people, but hey.....screw them. They'll be the ones in pain passing kidney stones.
07-26-2002, 11:17 AM
cool to see i'm not the only nutcase when it comes to takin water with him everywhere :)
yeah people always ask "how many of those do u drink a day" and are shocked when i say 2-3 (meaning my 1 gallon jug)
and yah i piss on average about 35 times a day - i have since i've been drinking alot - thats just the nature of cleansing your body with alot of water - so u learn to deal with it. holding it isn't an option either cuz drinking so much water makes u piss for along time even 35 times a day - not just a quickie :)
and i too don't drink any cola or other crap drinks EXCEPT on my cheat days which i drink ICE TEA with sweet n low or anything i want. i've given myself 1 cheat day a week for a year now and because of it i beleive its kept me motivated to eat great the other 6 days - theres that light at the end of the tunnel
anyways keep up the water intake
07-26-2002, 11:42 AM
I know where your coming from on the pissing forever. Sometimes I don't think I am ever going to stop.
And I am definately sick of people asking me about my water, I mean I have been doing it for a year now. People always ask me, hey buddy, you how much of that do you drink, or hey man, were you thirsty. I mean come on, I don't go up to them when they are downing their 6 cups of coffee in the morning and ask them how much their going to drink all day. When they have their box of 1 dozen donuts, I don't look at them and say, "hey mr. , think you might be a little hungry there".
Sometimes I just want to tell them to f**k off.
Sorry about the ranting, just go through doing leg workout and still feeling pretty pumped.
07-26-2002, 02:16 PM
Yes I too take about 11/2 to 2 gallons of water a day. I am forever with my 1 liter bottles. I drink nothing but water or orange juice. I only drink the OJ in the morning and the liters of water the rest of the day. It has been about four or five years since I have had a soda and even longer for anything else. I drink nothing with caffeine etc........ I believe that doing 900mgs of 1ad and 900mgs of 4ad is just alot of crap to put through your body orally. Besides Pat Arnold claims that it is not kidney pain but a steroidal cramping of the Erector Spinae muscle leading to the Gluteus Medius causing many people to think it is your kidneys hurting when it is actually a quite common type of cramp that is associated with steroid use. I also believe that taking that much of anything orally is not good for your organs that are used to process them. Either way I will be using the transdermals this time so we'll see.
07-26-2002, 08:36 PM
did u do any 1-AD? i'm currently in 2nd week of it and i love everything about it so far. let me know what u thought of it. i haven't had 1 bit of lower back and/or kidney like pains at all so i can't complain
07-26-2002, 10:59 PM
yes I did 8 weeks of 1ad and 4ad stacked. I started with 600mgs of 1ad and 600mgs of 4ad then bumped them both up to 900mgs orally. I had excellent gains and still have them. It was not until about the sixth week that I started to feel the pain but it became excruciating enough that I had to stop at about 71/2 weeks. I thought it was great. Read my above post for info on my next cycle.