Best Creatine Form..

[Swisher509]

Whats do yall think is the most result giving dependable creatine???

examples: micronized/ mono/ CEE/ titrate/ and ect.

thank you,

[*KNUCKLEHEAD*]

id have to go with CEE

[Actual Size]

id have to go with CEE
Same here it works for me.

[PowerSwede]

Whats do yall think is the most result giving dependable creatine???

examples: micronized/ mono/ CEE/ titrate/ and ect.

thank you,

All of them contain the active ingredient creatine (unlike the "liquid creatine" supplements) and all of them get the creatine into your muscles, ALL of them have the ability to saturate your muscles to a point where they hold ~5g of creatine per pound of muscle weight.

Some people swear by CEE, others, like me, get the same results from monohydrate as with any other form, you are going to have to try them yourself to see whether paying more for another form (than monohydrate) is worth the money.

[BringnIt]

PowerSwede, you tried pyruvate yet?

[PowerSwede]

PowerSwede, you tried pyruvate yet?

Got a box of it right here but to really evaluate the effects i thought i'd wait until i reach a sticking point.

The plan is to introduce the creatine pyruvate instead of dropping more carbs or upping the cardio, i was expecting a sticking point about a week ago but i'm still losing without increasing cardio or dropping more carbs, i wonder if the ALC has anything to do with it.

[BringnIt]

Ok, make sure to let me know how that goes, I've been thinking of trying that. When and how much ALC have you been using?

[PowerSwede]

Ok, make sure to let me know how that goes, I've been thinking of trying that. When and how much ALC have you been using?

I'll drop a pm or post it in a thread when i start using it.

2x500mg of ALC 4 times a day is the current dosage of ALC, i think this supplement will become a permanent part of my stack.

[BringnIt]

Doesn't sound cheap.

[PowerSwede]

Doesn't sound cheap.

500g would cost me ~$25 if i had to pay for it. ;)

So that's $25 for 500/4=125 days = $0.2/day or ~$6/month.

Not too expensive if you shop for price.

[BringnIt]

I will have to do that, I've never looked extensively but every time I've seen it it has been jacked up prices.

[PowerSwede]

I will have to do that, I've never looked extensively but every time I've seen it it has been jacked up prices.

http://www.bulk(removethis)nutrition.com/?products_id=1186 ;)

[wingtbone]

CEE is getting all of this hype, hype, hype>>>>it is the best marketing spin since they were able to put over the pet rock.....in nov,2004 iwas 5'8" 176 lbs and max bench was 280, max squat was 360...now, i am 201, max bench is 330 and max squat is 420....i have not takin any CEE or NO2 products....i have been taking AST micronized creatine HSC, WITH vp2. i guess cee is getting hype because it is said not to bloat (hsc doesnt bloat) and it is estherfied! so what!!!!! there is absolutely no scientific data that states that estherfication actually creates this bonding process....all information on this stuff is given to you by the companies that market it... hmmmm!!!!CM does have scientific data regarding its POSSIBLE positve affects.... has anyone ever noticed that the companies (i.e. fizogen, vpx, bsn, ****, xyience, omega, vns, and so on)..these companies that make no2 and cee products dont sell products that are just creatine monohydrate......so these cos. said we never dealt with producing a mono product, but now we have come out with mono estherfied....dont you think that if the reputable cos.(i.e. twinlab, muscletech, ast, bioplex, dymatize, now and optimum) would have thought that creatine mono could be that drastically improved that these companies would have moved with times!!!! i do!!!!!!!!!!! cee and no2!!!! WIN OR SPIN???????!!!!!!

[IgorCro]

CEE is getting all of this hype, hype, hype>>>>it is the best marketing spin since they were able to put over the pet rock.....in nov,2004 iwas 5'8" 176 lbs and max bench was 280, max squat was 360...now, i am 201, max bench is 330 and max squat is 420....i have not takin any CEE or NO2 products....i have been taking AST micronized creatine HSC, WITH vp2. i guess cee is getting hype because it is said not to bloat (hsc doesnt bloat) and it is estherfied! so what!!!!! there is absolutely no scientific data that states that estherfication actually creates this bonding process....all information on this stuff is given to you by the companies that market it... hmmmm!!!!CM does have scientific data regarding its POSSIBLE positve affects.... has anyone ever noticed that the companies (i.e. fizogen, vpx, bsn, ****, xyience, omega, vns, and so on)..these companies that make no2 and cee products dont sell products that are just creatine monohydrate......so these cos. said we never dealt with producing a mono product, but now we have come out with mono estherfied....dont you think that if the reputable cos.(i.e. twinlab, muscletech, ast, bioplex, dymatize, now and optimum) would have thought that creatine mono could be that drastically improved that these companies would have moved with times!!!! i do!!!!!!!!!!! cee and no2!!!! WIN OR SPIN???????!!!!!!

totally agree with you..I'm not saying that CEE isn't good (unlike no2), but marketing is oing the job..

[*KNUCKLEHEAD*]

i still recommend bulk CEE. no bad side effects and my poundages climb consistently on each workout. plus, i have to make myself leave the gym when i know ive done enough - muscular fatigue doesnt make me leave like in the past. plus its cheap if u order it online in bulk! good stuff, marketing or not in my opinion.

[XBrock LesnarX]

what about good old VPX CEX probley best u can get im taking it now only on 1 and a half weeks have to see when the bottle is gone though i guess. realy bad tasing stuff there is no way u can drink it with water even with juice it tastes bad .

[BringnIt]

I just want to know how CEE can saturate the muscles with creatine beyond their ability to store creatine...

[ParisinFlames]

What I want to know is; since when is Muscletech reputable?

[BringnIt]

I don't know about that but has anyone seen the sweet new Cell-Tech labels? Shiny. : )

[canine3480]

i have been off of creatine for a long time and i think i'm going to start up again. i stopped taking it because it would upset my stomach. i've been reading a lot about the advanced creatine products, but i'm still thinking about giving monohydrate one more try, only this time in micronized form. i think i'm gonna go with ast plain, before and after my workouts with protein, oats and maltodextrin. i considered vitargo, but i called nutrex and asked them if their creatine is micronized and they gave me the most complicated answer i've ever heard. i may try it if micro creatine doesn't work, but i'm a little skeptical of that company.

i'll post my micronized creatine results after i try it. i wouldn't say that i was a creatine non-responder, but it made me so uncomfortable that it wasn't worth it to me.

[warriors]

CEE is getting all of this hype, hype, hype>>>>it is the best marketing spin since they were able to put over the pet rock.....in nov,2004 iwas 5'8" 176 lbs and max bench was 280, max squat was 360...now, i am 201, max bench is 330 and max squat is 420....i have not takin any CEE or NO2 products....i have been taking AST micronized creatine HSC, WITH vp2. i guess cee is getting hype because it is said not to bloat (hsc doesnt bloat) and it is estherfied! so what!!!!! there is absolutely no scientific data that states that estherfication actually creates this bonding process....all information on this stuff is given to you by the companies that market it... hmmmm!!!!CM does have scientific data regarding its POSSIBLE positve affects.... has anyone ever noticed that the companies (i.e. fizogen, vpx, bsn, ****, xyience, omega, vns, and so on)..these companies that make no2 and cee products dont sell products that are just creatine monohydrate......so these cos. said we never dealt with producing a mono product, but now we have come out with mono estherfied....dont you think that if the reputable cos.(i.e. twinlab, muscletech, ast, bioplex, dymatize, now and optimum) would have thought that creatine mono could be that drastically improved that these companies would have moved with times!!!! i do!!!!!!!!!!! cee and no2!!!! WIN OR SPIN???????!!!!!!

If reg. mono works for you then by all means keep taking it. I respond well to mono also but CEE works so much better in EVERY category(strength gains, no bloating, doesnt take as long for it to kick in, etc) from my experiences with it so why would someone that responds well to CEE want to go back to mono??

Also, since when did twinlab and muscletech become reputable???

[Fastlane247]

Hi does anyone kno if creatine ethyl ester is better then creatine monohydrate it is almost double the price for the hp stuff on bodybuilding.com store. thanks

Oh one other thing if Monohydrate is better is it better to take the hp brand or th Micronized Creatine, is there a difference? thanks again

[BringnIt]

No, no one knows for certain.

[Fastlane247]

is it better to take the hp brand or th Micronized Creatine, is there a difference? thanks again

[PowerSwede]

Hi does anyone kno if creatine ethyl ester is better then creatine monohydrate it is almost double the price for the hp stuff on bodybuilding.com store. thanks

Oh one other thing if Monohydrate is better is it better to take the hp brand or th Micronized Creatine, is there a difference? thanks again

The effects of creatine supplementation occur because your body can store 5g of creatine/lb of muscle weight but you only have ~3.5g/lb of muscle weight naturally.

So what works is a form of creatine that can saturate your muscles up to the limit where they hold 5g/lb of muscle weight, we know that creatine monohydrate (micronized or not) can do that, it's been proven in so many studies that creatine monohydrate works and saturates your muscles to the point where they can hold no more creatine.

You're not going to get more creatine into your muscles than that no matter which form you use and any excess of ANY form will be excreted as creatinine (which is completely harmless but also completely useless).

[pbradish]

Cee

[Fastlane247]

The effects of creatine supplementation occur because your body can store 5g of creatine/lb of muscle weight but you only have ~3.5g/lb of muscle weight naturally.

So what works is a form of creatine that can saturate your muscles up to the limit where they hold 5g/lb of muscle weight, we know that creatine monohydrate (micronized or not) can do that, it's been proven in so many studies that creatine monohydrate works and saturates your muscles to the point where they can hold no more creatine.

You're not going to get more creatine into your muscles than that no matter which form you use and any excess of ANY form will be excreted as creatinine (which is completely harmless but also completely useless).

Thanks i think ill stick to the creatien monohydrate then, i dont see the point in spending double the price for the same results.

[Swisher509]

thanks for the replys guys. please rep ;)

[jgb99]

I've heard very good things about kre-alkalyn, infact I've even ordered some.

[wingtbone]

i do not take muscletech products.. i have taken twinlab products and have done quite well with them...BUT, if you are taking CEE, how can you comment about a monohydrate company being reputable or not...all of your so-called CEE distributors werent on the radar screen when regular mono was produced....so if you are worried about reputable, how can you purchase any cee products...these companies popped out of the blue to create this megamarketing idea that cee was better than cm...noone knows if its better or not...if you would have tried a different monohydrate than the one that you were using , that may have worked also...look, the estherfication is not a system that makes you stronger than cm, it just claims to allow more creatine absorption..so what!!!!! its still just creatine(o, with sticky things on it so it will absorb more)...plus, it cost more, plus it taste like cr#p....there is no cee product that have done any better than the cm that i am using.....it might have done the same as the cm, but why take the chance when i really know nothing scientific about the so-called estherfication process!!!!good luck, all

[warriors]

i do not take muscletech products.. i have taken twinlab products and have done quite well with them...BUT, if you are taking CEE, how can you comment about a monohydrate company being reputable or not...all of your so-called CEE distributors werent on the radar screen when regular mono was produced....so if you are worried about reputable, how can you purchase any cee products...these companies popped out of the blue to create this megamarketing idea that cee was better than cm...noone knows if its better or not...if you would have tried a different monohydrate than the one that you were using , that may have worked also...look, the estherfication is not a system that makes you stronger than cm, it just claims to allow more creatine absorption..so what!!!!! its still just creatine(o, with sticky things on it so it will absorb more)...plus, it cost more, plus it taste like cr#p....there is no cee product that have done any better than the cm that i am using.....it might have done the same as the cm, but why take the chance when i really know nothing scientific about the so-called estherfication process!!!!good luck, all

Every mono i have tried has worked and i have tried quite a bit of them from prolab, to ON, cell tech, AST, GNC's, the list goes on but CEE works so much better for ME. I know CEE is better than mono from my experiences b/c the mirror, the scales, and the weights dont lie. Big deal if there isnt any scientific studies showing that it's actually better. Results dont lie. Besides, most of the companies that started producing CEE was already out producing quality supps long before CEE was even thought of so of course i'm gonna trust these companies b/c it's not just CEE that they have been putting out. Also what CEE product did you take???

[wingtbone]

from the company that you are taking your cee from have you consumed???all esther claims to do is allow a higher intake of creatine..so you tell me, why does that matter if you body only holds so much and then begins to excrete the product...its claim that the body cannot absorb the proper amount cm is ridiculous....this esther stuff doesnt claim anything other than a better absorption rate...so does this mean that you werent taking enough mono...because other than that,esther does nothing different than mono!!!!if those companies were that reputable, why would they not produce a creatine mono and if this product was that God almighty spectacular, why arent the mono cos. jumping on the bandwagon....what has bsn ever made?? what has vpx made?? what has **** made?? what has fizogen made??and man, what has vns made?? are you kidding me? these companies have done nothing..without cee and noxide, these companies were almost obsolete!!!!

[PowerSwede]

Every mono i have tried has worked and i have tried quite a bit of them from prolab, to ON, cell tech, AST, GNC's, the list goes on but CEE works so much better for ME. I know CEE is better than mono from my experiences b/c the mirror, the scales, and the weights dont lie. Big deal if there isnt any scientific studies showing that it's actually better. Results dont lie. Besides, most of the companies that started producing CEE was already out producing quality supps long before CEE was even thought of so of course i'm gonna trust these companies b/c it's not just CEE that they have been putting out. Also what CEE product did you take???

Those of us who were around to hear the hype and reports of excellent results from the liquid creatines are a bit suspicious to all new forms of creatine that have not been proven to do anything in scientific studies.

Don't forget that creatine serum had a 75% satisfied customer base that reported better gains from an inactive product than from real creatine.

I won't argue with your personal experience with CEE though, if it works for you you should definently keep using it.

[PowerSwede]

from the company that you are taking your cee from have you consumed???all esther claims to do is allow a higher intake of creatine..so you tell me, why does that matter if you body only holds so much and then begins to excrete the product...its claim that the body cannot absorb the proper amount cm is ridiculous....this esther stuff doesnt claim anything other than a better absorption rate...so does this mean that you werent taking enough mono...because other than that,esther does nothing different than mono!!!!if those companies were that reputable, why would they not produce a creatine mono and if this product was that God almighty spectacular, why arent the mono cos. jumping on the bandwagon....what has bsn ever made?? what has vpx made?? what has **** made?? what has fizogen made??and man, what has vns made?? are you kidding me? these companies have done nothing..without cee and noxide, these companies were almost obsolete!!!!

No, the claim is that you don't need as much CEE as it is better absorbed.

CEE is probably a great creatine product, many people use it and swear by it, remember that not everything was created by a major company, in fact, MOST supplements that work were introduced by smaller companies before the larger supplement companies started selling them.

Just because a major company starts selling something doesn't mean anything either, pretty much all of them have crappy products and pretty much all products sold under brand names are ridiculously overpriced.

So what can you do? Listen to science and try products out for yourself, DON'T take products you really don't believe in or can feel the effects of because of others claims and DON'T listen to the marketing hype.

[wingtbone]

thats what i said "cee claims to have a better absorption rate".........but, that really doesnt matter due the fact that it is safe to ingest enough mono to get all of the absorption that you need....i wish everyone goodluck in everything they do!!! cost more, taste like cr#p and does the same thing creatine mono does....so, if mono does not bloat, make you sick, etc..imo only, i will just take alittle more CM......READ THE THREAD IN SUPPLEMENTS about CREATINE ETHYL ESTHER BY W LLEWELLYN. PRETTY GOOD INFO...AND SWEDE, IF YOUR GOING TO LISTEN TO SCIENCE,IT MUST BE SAYING CREATINE MONOHYDRATE, because their is no scientific data supporting estherfication....

[warriors]

thats what i said "cee claims to have a better absorption rate".........but, that really doesnt matter due the fact that it is safe to ingest enough mono to get all of the absorption that you need....i wish everyone goodluck in everything they do!!! cost more, taste like cr#p and does the same thing creatine mono does....so, if mono does not bloat, make you sick, etc..imo only, i will just take alittle more CM......READ THE THREAD IN SUPPLEMENTS about CREATINE ETHYL ESTHER BY W LLEWELLYN. PRETTY GOOD INFO...AND SWEDE, IF YOUR GOING TO LISTEN TO SCIENCE,IT MUST BE SAYING CREATINE MONOHYDRATE, because their is no scientific data supporting estherfication....


conclusion: i like CEE and u like mono ;)

[PowerSwede]

thats what i said "cee claims to have a better absorption rate".........but, that really doesnt matter due the fact that it is safe to ingest enough mono to get all of the absorption that you need....i wish everyone goodluck in everything they do!!! cost more, taste like cr#p and does the same thing creatine mono does....so, if mono does not bloat, make you sick, etc..imo only, i will just take alittle more CM......READ THE THREAD IN SUPPLEMENTS about CREATINE ETHYL ESTHER BY W LLEWELLYN. PRETTY GOOD INFO...AND SWEDE, IF YOUR GOING TO LISTEN TO SCIENCE,IT MUST BE SAYING CREATINE MONOHYDRATE, because their is no scientific data supporting estherfication....

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