Protein: Milk?

[Honken_00]

I know that milk doesen't contain all of the aminos, but is milk good enough to replace whey? I'm asking this both becouse of taste and economy.

I'm running short on cash right now.

6 dl (two big glasses) contains around 21 g of protein, wich is about the same amount found in bars and powders (from what I have seen).

So, can I replace my whey with milk?
Or isn't there enough aminos to get me' muscles pump'd?

P.S I'm focusing more on strength/endurance than mass.

[Dhuljev]

If you do, make sure you drink low fat or non fat, as whole has up to 30%dv fat.

[Honken_00]

Isn't the fat in milk unsatturated fat (i don't know the term, but the fat with good cholesterol)?

[SIM37]

I know that milk doesen't contain all of the aminos, but is milk good enough to replace whey? I'm asking this both becouse of taste and economy.

I'm running short on cash right now.

6 dl (two big glasses) contains around 21 g of protein, wich is about the same amount found in bars and powders (from what I have seen).

So, can I replace my whey with milk?
Or isn't there enough aminos to get me' muscles pump'd?

P.S I'm focusing more on strength/endurance than mass.

If you've searched the forums or read up, you may be suprised to find that the protein milk is 80% casein and 20% whey

[Honken_00]

Do you mean the protein milk or the protein in milk?
I think I saw a protein-milk product some time ago (ready mixed drink)..
If you meant the protein in milk, then IT'S TIME TO GET GOING!!

Thanks!!
-Honken

[PowerSwede]

Do you mean the protein milk or the protein in milk?
I think I saw a protein-milk product some time ago (ready mixed drink)..
If you meant the protein in milk, then IT'S TIME TO GET GOING!!

Thanks!!
-Honken

6dl of (0.1% fat) milk will give you ~4g of whey, ~16g of casein, 30g of simple sugars and 6g of saturated fat.

[BluSilver]

Milk is great- there are many arguments that casein is even better than whey around workouts, so I see no reason why you shouldn't consume milk, which also has whey, around your workout.

[ac_surf]

I know that milk doesen't contain all of the aminos, but is milk good enough to replace whey? I'm asking this both becouse of taste and economy.

I'm running short on cash right now.

6 dl (two big glasses) contains around 21 g of protein, wich is about the same amount found in bars and powders (from what I have seen).

So, can I replace my whey with milk?
Or isn't there enough aminos to get me' muscles pump'd?

P.S I'm focusing more on strength/endurance than mass.

ok, i buy the ralph's brand skim milk and it costs me about 0.10 cents per cup
8 oz. And 2 glasses would have 18 g of protein costing 0.20 cents, 3 cups would have 27 g of protein at 0.30 cents.

now the cheapest whey protein found at bb.com will cost you around 0.30 cents and up offering 25g of protein

So, you can do the math and see if you're saving any money really. Of course both products have different composition and nutrients, best would be to diversify and it also depends on when you're taking them.

[PowerSwede]

Milk is great- there are many arguments that casein is even better than whey around workouts, so I see no reason why you shouldn't consume milk, which also has whey, around your workout.

I can think of reasons why you wouldn't want casein post workout, give me one good reason why casein would be a better choice than whey.

[BringnIt]

Since when is milk not a complete protein source?

[Honken_00]

PowerSwede, Lätt mjölk eller Mini mjölk?

[PowerSwede]

PowerSwede, Lätt mjölk eller Mini mjölk?

Hahaaa, du är ju Svensk, hur kunde jag missa det. :D

Minimjölk.

[goal220]

I can think of reasons why you wouldn't want casein post workout, give me one good reason why casein would be a better choice than whey.

I've argued the point for casein post workout before but I've come the conclusion that a compromise actually works best here. There are some caveats though. Presuming you have taken pre-workout whey, a post workout blend of whey and casein is probably the best choice. It will provide a good transition for longer steady protein absorption as the slower protein digestion ramps up hours after you have left the gym.

For the original post: If you're running low on cash, eggs and chicken are pretty cheap. If you're comparing price/gram of protein, whey is actually a whole lot cheaper than milk (note, I didn't say better). The only way milk is going to be cheaper than whey is if you own a cow;-).

[PowerSwede]

I've argued the point for casein post workout before but I've come the conclusion that a compromise actually works best here. There are some caveats though. Presuming you have taken pre-workout whey, a post workout blend of whey and casein is probably the best choice. It will provide a good transition for longer steady protein absorption as the slower protein digestion ramps up hours after you have left the gym.

For the original post: If you're running low on cash, eggs and chicken are pretty cheap. If you're comparing price/gram of protein, whey is actually a whole lot cheaper than milk (note, I didn't say better). The only way milk is going to be cheaper than whey is if you own a cow;-).

Casein will delay the absorbtion of whey and post workout that is something you definently DON'T want and unless someone is stopping you from eating there is no reason not to take whey immediately afterwards (preferably with dextrose and whatever else you use) and then have a meal 60-90 minutes later.

[goal220]

Casein will delay the absorbtion of whey and post workout that is something you definently DON'T want and unless someone is stopping you from eating there is no reason not to take whey immediately afterwards (preferably with dextrose and whatever else you use) and then have a meal 60-90 minutes later.

I think you mean "slow" the absorption of whey rather than delay. It's not as if when you take casein nothing gets absorbed until the casein says so. Yes it will slow the absorption of whey but given that you have taken pre-workout protein, the absorption should last you another hour AFTER your workout (presuming you workout no more than 60 min.) Casein will only slow the absorption of the whey and certainly not stop it. In the end it will still be absorbed much faster than the casein, just not as quickly as straight whey.

What isn't making sense here?

[PowerSwede]

I think you mean "slow" the absorption of whey rather than delay. It's not as if when you take casein nothing gets absorbed until the casein says so. Yes it will slow the absorption of whey but given that you have taken pre-workout protein, the absorption should last you another hour AFTER your workout (presuming you workout no more than 60 min.) Casein will only slow the absorption of the whey and certainly not stop it. In the end it will still be absorbed much faster than the casein, just not as quickly as straight whey.

What isn't making sense here?

You are wrong, adding casein WILL delay the absorbtion of the whey AND slow down the absorbtion, the reason for both is that casein clots in the acidic environment of the stomach and delays gastric emptying (and absorbtion) (1).

What makes absolutely no sense to me is mixing whey with a slower protein source PWO, you pay the premium price for a fast absorbing protein and add something else to both delay the uptake and make the absorbtion slower? Why not just use whey PWO and then eat something 60-90 minutes later?

1. "Gastrojejunal kinetics and the digestion of [15N]beta-lactoglobulin and casein in humans: the influence of the nature and quantity of the protein" S Mahe, N Roos, R Benamouzig, L Davin, C Luengo, L Gagnon, N Gausserges, J Rautureau and D Tome, American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol 63, 546-552

[goal220]

You are wrong, adding casein WILL delay the absorbtion of the whey AND slow down the absorbtion, the reason for both is that casein clots in the acidic environment of the stomach and delays gastric emptying (and absorbtion) (1).

What makes absolutely no sense to me is mixing whey with a slower protein source PWO, you pay the premium price for a fast absorbing protein and add something else to both delay the uptake and make the absorbtion slower? Why not just use whey PWO and then eat something 60-90 minutes later?

1. "Gastrojejunal kinetics and the digestion of [15N]beta-lactoglobulin and casein in humans: the influence of the nature and quantity of the protein" S Mahe, N Roos, R Benamouzig, L Davin, C Luengo, L Gagnon, N Gausserges, J Rautureau and D Tome, American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol 63, 546-552

Powerswede. You make a good argument and I like that you have a study backing your claims. I`ve since done a bit of research on my own and it appears that you might be correct regarding whey vs. casein immediately post workout. I`m going to experiment with the following whey/casein protein timing: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/satternorton.htm and see how it goes. I`m already gaining muscle and losing fast a pretty good clip right now but if I can gain even even greater efficiency through better timing of whe/casein I will try it.

Thanks

[SIM37]

You are wrong, adding casein WILL delay the absorbtion of the whey AND slow down the absorbtion, the reason for both is that casein clots in the acidic environment of the stomach and delays gastric emptying (and absorbtion) (1).

What makes absolutely no sense to me is mixing whey with a slower protein source PWO, you pay the premium price for a fast absorbing protein and add something else to both delay the uptake and make the absorbtion slower? Why not just use whey PWO and then eat something 60-90 minutes later?

1. "Gastrojejunal kinetics and the digestion of [15N]beta-lactoglobulin and casein in humans: the influence of the nature and quantity of the protein" S Mahe, N Roos, R Benamouzig, L Davin, C Luengo, L Gagnon, N Gausserges, J Rautureau and D Tome, American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol 63, 546-552

^^^ bumped.

I've been constantly using milk PWO to mix whey. I know it slows it down but I figured that now I should use either plain water or mix it with some simple carbs. Helps spike the insulin for creatine absorbtion also

[imageek]

i get most of my protein from milk.

[imageek]

milk is extremely anabolic, if you are cutting then go for skim milk. if people tell you milk thicken the skin, that's total bull****.

[pu12en12g]

When bulking, I drink around a gallon of milk during my workout. I originally started doing this as a good way to get an extra 1000-1200 calories a day. I've noticed enhanced recovery as well. I don't have any specific reason at this point why it seems to work so well.


Presuming you have taken pre-workout whey....

Unfortunately... on this forum, that's a big presumption :(

[KTITAN54]

I've argued the point for casein post workout before but I've come the conclusion that a compromise actually works best here. There are some caveats though. Presuming you have taken pre-workout whey, a post workout blend of whey and casein is probably the best choice. It will provide a good transition for longer steady protein absorption as the slower protein digestion ramps up hours after you have left the gym.

For the original post: If you're running low on cash, eggs and chicken are pretty cheap. If you're comparing price/gram of protein, whey is actually a whole lot cheaper than milk (note, I didn't say better). The only way milk is going to be cheaper than whey is if you own a cow;-).

well wouldnt it be better if you took casein pre workout and whey post.. then it would be more effective because they would both prolly end up being absorbed during the window of opportunity after your workout. i think i might try that lol

[goal220]

Unfortunately... on this forum, that's a big presumption :(

Truer words were never spoken. . . except by PowerSwede;-). Pre-workout whey is a great opportunity to boost you muscle building. It's really a shame that so many people miss this. They're just cheating themselves of gains.

goal220

[goal220]

well wouldnt it be better if you took casein pre workout and whey post.. then it would be more effective because they would both prolly end up being absorbed during the window of opportunity after your workout. i think i might try that lol

Kittan, you got a lot of neg. reps my friend. You want a rush of amino acids immediately pre workout. Read this study to learn why:
http://www.hypertrophy-specific.com/HSreport/iss02/index.html

[Andrew69]

Since when is milk not a complete protein source?
But whey is?....Go figure :D
The amount of basic misinformation around this place astounds me.