ALRI Ultra H.O.T. log

[littledoc]

I have a six week supply, and tonight is the third night.

I'm taking three pills a night, which is the low-end dose. At $50-$60 a bottle for 60 capsules, six caps a day is cost prohibitive. I figure $100 for six weeks should be enough.

In case you're not familiar with the product, it is two estrogen inhibitors paired with an androgen negative feedback inhibitor. The idea is that with a product like 6-OXO, you block estrogen to raise testosterone. At a certain point the HTPA senses the rise in test and limits production. Ultra HOT is supposed to address this.

I'm not expecting this to really kick in for a week or two, but I'll keep it updated.

[Mr.50]

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[littledoc]

One week out, and it's about like I figured. Nothing dramatic. I feel good, libido is doing quite well although that may or may not be because of the HOT. Also seeing a small amount of acne. I got a small zit on my forehead for the first time in like two years.

By the end of next week it should become obvious whether it's doing anything. It'll be interesting to see how my strength is this week.

[CHUCK DIESEL]

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[pounder]

How is this going?

Personally, even with a fast acting ester like prop it takes two weeks for me to really get some results. I'd expect at least that long from a test booster. I'm interested to see how this is going.

[littledoc]

Well, I'm halfway through my third week.

The results are nothing to write home about. My sex drive is up a little, but not tremendously. My strength is solid, but I'm not shattering plateus or anything.

However, I should note three things. One, is that I had a major stomach illness a week ago that really sapped my energy and kept me out of the gym. Two, I've deliberately lightened up the weight and I'm doing more controlled reps than I used to. I'm using about the same weight with control (i.e., a brief pause at the top and bottom of a press, explosive concentric and controlled eccentric) as I had been using with sloppier form. Three, I've been readjusting my sleep schedule to accomodate a new job, and in addition to daylight savings time I'm having to get up about 3 hours earlier. So all things considered, it's good that my strength has at least maintained and perhaps improved a bit.

I'm not about to recommend this product yet, particularly given the hefty price tag. However I'm reserving final judgement for when the cycle is completed in a few weeks. If it's not clear that I'm taking something by then, you'll hear it here first.

[solarize]

So How did it go?

[littledoc]

I'm not done with the cycle, but at this point I can't recommend it. For me to recommend something I have to feel like I've clearly benefitted from it. M1-T, for example, I gained 10 pounds in two weeks and my strength went way up. With VPX CEX I had an immediate and significant increase in strength and energy. With Ultra HOT, I've seen some effects, but nothing I couldn't attribute to placebo or other factors. My strength has not increased any more quickly than usual. My libido is great but nothing unusual for a 25 year old.

The supplement may be more noticeably effective at the higher (six caps a day) dose, but the high cost ($50 for 10 days' worth? Supplements should never cost more than steroids, IMHO) makes it unreasonable to try.

So thumbs down on Ultra HOT. I may just double the dose to polish off the last bottle and see if the effect is any more noticeable.

[littledoc]

Well, it's finished, and even at the higher does I had for about the last five or six days, I saw no effect.

I have felt unusually lethargic while on this stuff. Not sure if it's because of the Ultra HOT or some other random thing, but either way I would not buy it again or recommend it.

[solarize]

Hmm, interesting findings.
What is your b/f percentage? Author L. Rea on the other boards said people above 9% would need double the dosage. And alot of people have said Ultra H.O.T should work....... Its a shame it didnt for you. So you did two weeks total?

Do you feel like your natural test went up? That certainly should have been the case given the claims that are being made by it.

Have you considered going over to the AM board and making a post in the ALRI section? I am sure the ALRI producers would get back to you on it. They might even consider a refund for you given what you have said. It would be worth a try.

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[Mr.50]

I have to say I am also really surprised. I used ULTRA HOT recently with great "success" for the boys. I also would suggest looking into it more over at AM.
Hmm, interesting findings.
What is your b/f percentage? Author L. Rea on the other boards said people above 9% would need double the dosage. And alot of people have said Ultra H.O.T should work....... Its a shame it didnt for you. So you did two weeks total?

Do you feel like your natural test went up? That certainly should have been the case given the claims that are being made by it.

Have you considered going over to the AM board and making a post in the ALRI section? I am sure the ALRI producers would get back to you on it. They might even consider a refund for you given what you have said. It would be worth a try.

Out.

[Mountaineer]

littledoc,

U did 6 weeks, correct?

[littledoc]

I did five weeks (roughly). I did the first four weeks at the lower (3 pills a day, taken at night) dose, and saw no results. Now the first couple of weeks I had some extenuating circumstances that hampered my training a bit as I detailed earlier in the thread, so I reserved judgement. But after four weeks and training hard I still saw no change. So rather than waste another two weeks, I decided to double the dosage for my last week. Again, no change, though I did feel very lethargic. Even if I did get some results at that dosage, $50-$60 for a measly 10 days is cost-prohibitive for me to use this supplement.

I'm not sure what my bodyfat percentage is. I'm a bit smooth but by no means fat. There wasn't anything on the product label saying the dosage should be higher for "x" percent bodyfat.

At first I though I was seeing some effect on 'the boys," but over the course of the five weeks, it was clear that it wasn't significant enough not to attribute to the placebo effect. I have used 6-OXO both as a PH PCT and as a stond-alone supplement, and the effect on my libido was much more pronounced--and I never took more than 3 pills a day.

I worked out using the same split I always use, a push/pull three-on/one-off with about 4-6 sets per bodypart not counting warm-ups. My diet--high protein with lots of fiberous complex carbs and veggies--was unchanged. This has been a very effective program for me and results did not come more quickly with the Ultra HOT.

I certainly like the theory behind it, and it sounds like it should work very well, but this is what we get when what are essentially drugs don't have to go through any kind of controlled testing to see if they actually do what they claim to. We're the guinea pigs, and although others might have success with it, for me this one did not work.

[littledoc]

Solarize,

I tried to register at the anabolicminds forums but it said, "Sorry, registration has been disabled by the administrator."

Perhaps you could post a link to this thread in their ALRI section.

[solarize]

Solarize,

I tried to register at the anabolicminds forums but it said, "Sorry, registration has been disabled by the administrator."

Perhaps you could post a link to this thread in their ALRI section.

Posted a link in the ALRI section, under Ultra HOT q in there.
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[Author L. Rea]

I did five weeks (roughly). I did the first four weeks at the lower (3 pills a day, taken at night) dose, and saw no results. Now the first couple of weeks I had some extenuating circumstances that hampered my training a bit as I detailed earlier in the thread, so I reserved judgement. But after four weeks and training hard I still saw no change. So rather than waste another two weeks, I decided to double the dosage for my last week. Again, no change, though I did feel very lethargic. Even if I did get some results at that dosage, $50-$60 for a measly 10 days is cost-prohibitive for me to use this supplement.

I'm not sure what my bodyfat percentage is. I'm a bit smooth but by no means fat. There wasn't anything on the product label saying the dosage should be higher for "x" percent bodyfat.

At first I though I was seeing some effect on 'the boys," but over the course of the five weeks, it was clear that it wasn't significant enough not to attribute to the placebo effect. I have used 6-OXO both as a PH PCT and as a stond-alone supplement, and the effect on my libido was much more pronounced--and I never took more than 3 pills a day.

I worked out using the same split I always use, a push/pull three-on/one-off with about 4-6 sets per bodypart not counting warm-ups. My diet--high protein with lots of fiberous complex carbs and veggies--was unchanged. This has been a very effective program for me and results did not come more quickly with the Ultra HOT.

I certainly like the theory behind it, and it sounds like it should work very well, but this is what we get when what are essentially drugs don't have to go through any kind of controlled testing to see if they actually do what they claim to. We're the guinea pigs, and although others might have success with it, for me this one did not work.

Interesting. So let me get this correct to be sure I am on base with you here. You did a steroid cycle then switched to PCT employing Ultra HOT. Your sex drive was good and your training remained as good as when you were on anabolic steroids (it just did not get better) but you feel the product sucks? Please excuse me if I misunderstood.

I am sorry to hear that you are unhappy with our product Lad. Please contact Raven at our warehouse (go to the site at alrindustries.com and look under contacts) and send her an original invoice with the empty bottles. I will be rather happy to give you a refund. BTW, where did you pay $50-60 per bottle? Right here on BB.com it is $37.85 and 6-OXO (your reference comparison) is $32.89. Did I miss something?

Since you are doing so, I am curious to see the blood work returns you base your results on and would like to know what your prior AAS protocol was (if there was one. Do not mean to assume but you mention your PCT). If you do not mind, please include copies. It is likely that you have used the old standard of HCG and Clomid for PCT. Since I have never seen test results showing anyone (except someone that has destroyed their testes leydig cells) fail to respond better to Ultra HOT than HCG and Clomid (we posted lab and clinical studies with reference sites for validation), I would appreciate any test results (blood work) you have from use of them as well for comparison.

And yes, quality supplements do sometimes cost more than illegal black market drugs. Buying, research, patents, production, insurance, facilities, taxes, 98% or better raws and running a legal business does cost a little more than "whatever lands in the vial and no testing required out of the trunk type business". Give it a try and maybe you can teach us all something new. (Not joking lad. Maybe you can! I have seen many amazing things and I am always willing to learn.)

[littledoc]

Interesting. So let me get this correct to be sure I am on base with you here. You did a steroid cycle then switched to PCT employing Ultra HOT. Your sex drive was good and your training remained as good as when you were on anabolic steroids (it just did not get better) but you feel the product sucks? Please excuse me if I misunderstood.

I did not use steroids, and never have (well, aside from M1-T last year, but that's not really a "cycle"). Not sure where you got that idea. I used Ultra HOT as a stand-alone supplement. I had used no other supplements aside from protein and creatine in the months leading.

And if I ever did do steroids, I would never use an unproven OTC supplement for PCT in lieu of Nolvadex or Clomid.

The $50 price tag was the cheapest available at the time I purchased my two bottles. BB.com wasn't carrying it at the time. The retail was $60, but MaxMuscle had it a little cheaper. Incidentally they were great. They sent me tons of free samples and a t-shirt.

But anyway, thanks for the refund. I wouldn't go so far as to say the product "sucks," as it's possible others will respond to it, but I can't recommend a product that did not work for me.

[Author L. Rea]

Interesting. So let me get this correct to be sure I am on base with you here. You did a steroid cycle then switched to PCT employing Ultra HOT. Your sex drive was good and your training remained as good as when you were on anabolic steroids (it just did not get better) but you feel the product sucks? Please excuse me if I misunderstood.

I did not use steroids, and never have (well, aside from M1-T last year, but that's not really a "cycle"). Not sure where you got that idea. I used Ultra HOT as a stand-alone supplement. I had used no other supplements aside from protein and creatine in the months leading.

And if I ever did do steroids, I would never use an unproven OTC supplement for PCT in lieu of Nolvadex or Clomid.

The $50 price tag was the cheapest available at the time I purchased my two bottles. BB.com wasn't carrying it at the time. The retail was $60, but MaxMuscle had it a little cheaper. Incidentally they were great. They sent me tons of free samples and a t-shirt.

But anyway, thanks for the refund. I wouldn't go so far as to say the product "sucks," as it's possible others will respond to it, but I can't recommend a product that did not work for me.

Not to point out the obvious, but M-1-T is an AAS and was sold as such for several years in Italy and Spain. It is also one of the most destructive structures anyone could use. But that really has no point here and I am certain you were careful in your protocol.

As to "proven OTC" I am sorry to point out the obvious again (several studies and references listed), but the product compounds are better researched than any other and is the ONLY product used in HRT clinics across the nation to REPLACE Clomid and HCG. Just a fact.

Last, again, I would be grateful if you could share the blood work you used to validate that the product failed to work for you. Please realize that I am honestly not trying to bash on you. I appreciate any valid input and assume you may be a source. I am really not into the usual battering anyone that disagrees with a supplement company owner mentality, and I am quite sincere in my quest for the info to hopefully improve from.

With the exception of those with destroyed leydig cells (the cells the testes use to make testosterone and other androgens) I simply have not seen blood test returns that failed to prove excellent results. I will be happy to pay you for the proof for that reason. If indeed this is the facts, I would even be willing to send you to the lab and pay for an HPTA function panel and find out where the failure occurred.

[littledoc]

Not to point out the obvious, but M-1-T is an AAS and was sold as such for several years in Italy and Spain. It is also one of the most destructive structures anyone could use. But that really has no point here and I am certain you were careful in your protocol.

Yeah, I'm fully aware M1-T is an AAS. I had some bloodwork done during rountine physical and my HDL was low and I had some elevated liver enzymes. I still have a decent stash of M1-T but I don't know if I want to use it again. It's been about a year since I've touched the stuff. If I start a cycle of regular gear I may use it for a couple of weeks at the beginning of the cycle.

As to "proven OTC" I am sorry to point out the obvious again (several studies and references listed), but the product compounds are better researched than any other and is the ONLY product used in HRT clinics across the nation to REPLACE Clomid and HCG. Just a fact.

I don't doubt this, but I didn't use this product as HRT or PCT. I used it as a stand alone supplement under the "HPTA supraphysiological overcompensation" idea you advertised. It's possible that I gained a modest increase in natural test production, but it's also possible that it's not effective enough as an androgen negative feedback inhibitor to elevate levels enough for significant results. It's also possible that 3 pills a day is not a sufficient dose. I would have loved to take 6 pills a day for a full six or eight weeks, but two or three hundred bucks is a lot of cash to just try something out, especially on top of my regular supplement budget. I understand where you're coming from in terms of cost, but the bottom line is that I know that if I inject 400mg of test cyp and 300mg of nandrolone each week that I'll pack on lots of beef. With any supplement, no matter the technical babble surrounding the advertising, it's a shot in the dark.

Last, again, I would be grateful if you could share the blood work you used to validate that the product failed to work for you. Please realize that I am honestly not trying to bash on you. I appreciate any valid input and assume you may be a source. I am really not into the usual battering anyone that disagrees with a supplement company owner mentality, and I am quite sincere in my quest for the info to hopefully improve from.

No offense taken at all, in fact I appreciate you taking the time to respond. But blood tests? I was just a guy taking a supplement. Honestly, how many people who take the supplement would you expect to run off and drop the cash for blood work? If my test had been elevated to an equivalent of injecting testosterone (which is something you alluded to in an article about the product on Read the Core) I naturally assume that I would experience concurrent effects of such, such as increased strength and muscle mass and elevated sex drive. I doubt your advertising would say, "Just wait until you see your blood tests!" The claim is improved strength, size, and libido.

With the exception of those with destroyed leydig cells (the cells the testes use to make testosterone and other androgens) I simply have not seen blood test returns that failed to prove excellent results. I will be happy to pay you for the proof for that reason. If indeed this is the facts, I would even be willing to send you to the lab and pay for an HPTA function panel and find out where the failure occurred.

That's very generous of you, thank you, but again I'm just a guy taking a supplement. I certainly don't (and never have, for that matter) exhibit any symptoms of low testosterone levels. But I followed the dosing protocol to the letter and maintained my usual training and diet, and did not respond to this supplement. Believe me, I've been on the verge of steroid use for a long time and I tried this as a potential alternative. I figured if a supplement could improve my gains even, say, 20%, and I could use it year-round and it was safe and legal, it would beat using potentially counterfeit black market gear. But what can I say? Ultra HOT just didn't work for me. If it's any consolation, I'm still interested in other ALRI products like Max LMG and your other estrogen inhibitor (which I forget the name of).

[Author L. Rea]

Little Doc:

Please drop Raven an e-amil when you have a moment.

Thanks for the discussion Lad. I enjoyed it but need to get packed for China.

ALR