Man Scorch + Sesathin Log

[Mountaineer]

I will be keeping a log of my results using Man's Scorch and Sesithin. My initial plan is to diet for about 7 weeks or so. This may change just have to see how it all goes. I'll try to update this once or twice a week w/ my progress. I finished up my succesful X-factor trial about 12 days ago and I would like to get rid of some nagging body fat that is hanging around. My goal is to drop 15 pounds or so. I've got a few bottles of ErgoMax that I want to use later but I would like to significantly lower my body fat % before I use them.


BODYWEIGHT 218

This is down from about 222 a week ago. This is initial water weight, I'm guessing, as I've been low carbing for about a week now.


BODY FAT %

I don't have any calipers so I'm not going to judge on this one. I know it would add some validity to the log if I would add some pics or something but I'll have to wait on that one. All of my body fat seems to reside around my waist. I can see upper abs but no more after that.


Calories & Diet
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My plan is to start off w/ an avg. of about 2500 calories a day. I'm going to do this for a few weeks and when my weight loss plateaus I will lower it some more. I will be carb. cycling so this will vary a little depending on the day. I will try to keep protein high at least 1 gram per pound of bodyweight but hopefully 1.5 or so.

Training Schedule
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3-4 Days a week, generally 4. I will be using the 5x5 routine for a while. I really like to use this when in a dieting phase. It is fairly low volume which I like and its simple. My workouts will be based around heavy compound exercies, deadlifts, bench presses, and squats. 2-3 Days per week I will be adding in some HIT cardio. I may use the treadmill some but will probably just be doing sprints for the workouts. I would prefer to do this seperately from my weight training but that just isn't possible right now so I will be doing them after lifting.

Additional Supplements
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Scorch ( 4-6 caps per day), Sesathin (3 x daily dosing), fish oil (6-8 caps a day 180/120 EPA/DHA content), Whey protein, and Multi Vitamin

My goal is for 1.5 -2 lbs per week of weight loss while keeping muscle and strength loss to a minimum. Based on my previous experience I think this is quite attainable.


Feel give me any tips on supplements or anything to help.

[Mountaineer]

I've used quite a few different thermos over the last couple of years. My favorite is just the plain old caffeine + ephedrine HCL stack. In terms of weight loss, energy, appetite suppression, and overall cost/benefit ratio it gives me great results. I decided not to use it this time because of some of the side effects it has on me. Namely the CNS stimulation. I find it really hard to get quality erections when the ephedrine is still active in my system. The last time I used it I also seem to remember urininating being a little more difficult, that would indicate some prostate issues on that one. So this time around I thought I would try something different. I will definately miss the ephedrine though as far the feeling it gave me.

Scorch (initial reaction)
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Yesterday the 5th I took my first dose of scorch about 90 minutes before I went to workout. I will have to say I was a little shocked by the lack of stimulation compared to an EC stack. It was different. I didn't get that rush of energy with it, more of just a good mood type feeling, not quite euphoric or anything, just felt good. I did however sweat like a mad man after warming up so I'll just see how it goes.

5/6/05

Same reaction today as yesterday, taking 2 caps each dose. Not a lot of stimulation, just a sense of well being. I really dont think i get much more of a pick me up than just 200 mg. of caffeine takin alone. As long as the weight comes off I really don't care. I will say it is kiind of nice to not get the ephedrine buzz sometimes, so this may be a positive for it. Appetite suppresion seems to be pretty good so far also.

This is the revised version of Scorch. It does not have the 7-Keto but has a new ingredient (evodiamine or something like that) that I'm not familiar with.

[Mountaineer]

Day 8

Bodyweight.................215

SCORCH

Overall i'm quite pleased w/ Scorch so far. It has a very clean feel to it. The energy boost is different. Kind of a smooth transition when its wearing off. No crashing like when I'm on EC stack. IMO i don't really like it for a pre workout stimulant, just doesn't do much for me in the gym. I never really feel the supposed thermogenic effects of the supplement, but that doesn't mean its not working. Scorch definately does not seem to have the vasoconstricting effects of ephedrine. I'm thinking possibly the evodiamine has something to do w/ this. When working out on it i actually feel just as pumped up and full as if i wasn't on anything.


DIET

I had a total daily average of about 2350 calories per day last week. High carb days were higher, low and no carb days were lower. I will slowly be dropping this as the weight loss stalls out.


SESATHIN

Well not a lot to report here. Taking 3 doses a day, morning, mid afternoon/dinner, and before bed usually. I don't think the taste is all that bad. I definately have to remember to shake the bottle before dosing, it tends to seperate really badly. I'm gonna continue w/ this at 3 times per day and asses my results in a couple of weeks. If my results stall i may consider adding more fish oil or maybe upping the dosage to 5 times a day or something.

[Mountaineer]

Day 15

Bodyweight.............212

Scorch

Still like the Scorch. Seems to be working quite well. I'm continually leaning out w/ little to no strength loss. Measurements keep going down and I can visually see the difference in the mirror. This is probably the leanest i have been in quite a while. I would still describe it as a clean energy, no crashing, and no jitters. The only thing that would make me like it a little better would be a little more appetite suppression w/ it but hey i guess u can't have everything. So far i would definately give the product a thumbs up.

Diet

Kept the diet around the same as last week, total weekly average at around 2300 or so. This seems to be working quite well so far so I'll keep going at the current intake. Still dosing Sesathin 3X daily. I need to purchase another bottle as I am starting to run low.

[J-Rod]

Day 15

Bodyweight.............212

Scorch

Still like the Scorch. Seems to be working quite well. I'm continually leaning out w/ little to no strength loss. Measurements keep going down and I can visually see the difference in the mirror. This is probably the leanest i have been in quite a while. I would still describe it as a clean energy, no crashing, and no jitters. The only thing that would make me like it a little better would be a little more appetite suppression w/ it but hey i guess u can't have everything. So far i would definately give the product a thumbs up.

Diet

Kept the diet around the same as last week, total weekly average at around 2300 or so. This seems to be working quite well so far so I'll keep going at the current intake. Still dosing Sesathin 3X daily. I need to purchase another bottle as I am starting to run low.


Hey, good job. 6 pounds lost in just over 2 weeks. That is probably the most that you want to lose...and since you have not lost any strength, it sounds like you are keeping your lean body mass.

In the future, I am going to ad some synephrine to SCORCH to give it a more potent appetite suppressing effect.

[Mountaineer]

Hey, good job. 6 pounds lost in just over 2 weeks. That is probably the most that you want to lose...and since you have not lost any strength, it sounds like you are keeping your lean body mass.

In the future, I am going to ad some synephrine to SCORCH to give it a more potent appetite suppressing effect.


The addition of synephrine would be great, but it's still a very good product. I'm kind of shooting for a max weight loss of about 2 lbs a week, so i may add a few calories to my diet. So far strength is still up so all is good right now.

[Mountaineer]

Day 24

Bodyweight.............209


Bodyweight was down to 209 yesterday afternoon at weigh in. I was actually a little surprised at this because I haven't been as strict on my diet this week as usual. I'm graduating next weekend so I had a few beers and a few not so healthy dinners this week to celebrate. I'm still using the 5 X 5 training principle on all major body groups, trying to hit each once a week. Strength is still pretty good. The only muscle group where I seem to of a lost a little strength so far is Flat/Incline BP, and maybe a little on bicep curls, but overall strength is still holding pretty well. I'm going to continue w/ same diet calories as it seems to be working right now.

SCORCH

Well I'm going to be reording another bottle. I'm very pleased w/ the product so far. IMO this is my favorite thermo I've used so far.

SESATHIN

I ran out of Sesathin at the end of this week. I have decided not to reorder. Instead I've replaced it w/ Lipoderm Ultra from Avant Labs. I've always been really curious and wanting to try one of Avants topical fat loss solutions. Now seems like the perfect time. I was debating on which product to choose. Ab-solved was cheaper, but seems to be more predominatly for VAT. All of my body fat is on my midsection and is the loose/jiggly kind, not under the muscle, so I decided to give Lipo Derm Ultra a try. I should recieve it by Monday or so and I will begin using it immediately.

[Mountaineer]

Received my Lipo Ultra today. Probably start out w/ 4 pumps a day and increase to 8 or so. Stuff definately has a pungent aroma, but that seems to subside after a few minutes.

[Mountaineer]

Day 30

Bodyweight............207-208

Weight has been holding pretty steady all week at 207-208. This has been finals week so its been pretty hectic. Diet has been bad and haven't really been in the gym. I should really be able to get back on track next week.

Lip Ultra

Not a lot to report here yet other than it kind of smells bad, but if it works i really don't care too much.

[J-Rod]

Day 30

Bodyweight............207-208

Weight has been holding pretty steady all week at 207-208. This has been finals week so its been pretty hectic. Diet has been bad and haven't really been in the gym. I should really be able to get back on track next week.

Lip Ultra

Not a lot to report here yet other than it kind of smells bad, but if it works i really don't care too much.


Still, yet, a great job of 11 pounds down in one month.

[Mountaineer]

I re-ordered SCORCH. I also added some primaforce Syneburn. I'm hoping to hit 200 by the time I go on vacation and thought I would add the synephrine to help with the hunger and appetite suppression.

[Mountaineer]

Day 36

Bodyweight.............205


Overall I'm still quite pleased with my results so far. Strength was starting to take a major dive so I decided to add CEE back to my regime. Its been quite awhile since I've cycled any. My Goal is 200, I hope to hit that in a couple of weeks. Overall diet is still averaged to around 2200 cals a day, I haven't really seen a need yet to go any lower.

SCORCH + SYNEPHRINE

This is a great combo. The only thing the scorch formula seems to be missing is a good appetite suppressent and the syneburn fills the bill quite nicely, and cheap also. These two seem to work great together. I was starting to get really hungry at times and the synephrine seems to of really helped to deal w/ the cravings.

LIPO ULTRA

Well not a lot I can see here. I have definately lost a noticeable amount of fat around my midsection the last week. Its hard to directly contribute this to the lipo as my bodyweight is still going down. I'm really interested in seeing if it will help w/ some nagging chest fat that i have. Time will be the telling factor on this product.

[uknowmeman]

Mountaineer,

I have had the same below the belt problems with EC and am currently trying Scorch as well....

I take 1gm of Tyrosine as well as 1gm of Taurine along with the Scorch 15-30 mins pre-workout and the difference in energy is quite noticable......

The first few times I took Scorch, it gave me a mild rush of energy which has faded subsequently. Rather than "nervous" energy that EC gives, it seems to provide me with a better sustained, "smooth" energy that has no crash with it.

Currently I am stacking Lipoderm-Y as well as Glucophase XR with Scorch as well as the Tyrosine and Taurine.......

Great log BTW....

[Mountaineer]

Mountaineer,

I have had the same below the belt problems with EC and am currently trying Scorch as well....

I take 1gm of Tyrosine as well as 1gm of Taurine along with the Scorch 15-30 mins pre-workout and the difference in energy is quite noticable......

The first few times I took Scorch, it gave me a mild rush of energy which has faded subsequently. Rather than "nervous" energy that EC gives, it seems to provide me with a better sustained, "smooth" energy that has no crash with it.

Currently I am stacking Lipoderm-Y as well as Glucophase XR with Scorch as well as the Tyrosine and Taurine.......

Great log BTW....

How do u like the Glucophase? Do u think its helping any? I also add taurine to my CEE when I'm taking it, But I've found I need at least 5 grams plus to notice any difference. And yes i definately will give my thumbs up to scorch.

[Mountaineer]

Day 48

Bodyweight.........202

I've been hovering around 202 for a week or so. I went on vacation for a few days and diet went out the windows. I didn't seem to gain any weight so i guess that is a plus. I'm back on track now. I've almost reached my preset goal of 200 but I think I'm going to stay on for a few weeks and try to cut down a little more. So far my results have been very positive, little to no strength loss and quite a bit of fat. Scorch and Syneburn combo is the bomb IMO for appetite suppression and weightloss.

[DONJUANPIMPIN]

You notice any big physical changes in your body shape?

[Mountaineer]

Overall I am leaner looking, still got a little to loose though. I'm staying w/ the diet for a few more weeks, i would really love to shed the rest of this fat around my midsection before i start doing another lean bulk.

[Mountaineer]

Day 61

Bodyweight...........200


I haven't been able to update the log lately. I've started a new job and have been out of town so the diet hasn't been the best. I have managed to loose another couple of pounds. I'm going to end the log here even though i'm still going to try and loose another 5 lbs or so.

SCORCH

Overall I would rate this as the best all around thermo I've ever used. It gives a smooth energy boost w/ none of the negative side effects that i've noticed with other fat burners.

Thermogenics I've used: EC stack, Lipo 6, Lipo 6+ECL, and Scorch. Personally, I feel that Scorch has helped fat loss along better than anything else i've used including Ephedrine. The only missing from the formulation is a little better appetite suppression. Adding synephrine to my stack really seemed to help control my appetite. J-Rod stated that he may add the synephrine to the next batch and I would strongly encourage him to do so, but even without it this is still the best weight loss product i've used so far. I will definately be purchasing it again.


Lipo Derm Ultra

I will say i have been a little disappointed with the results I've gotten. Obviously due to the nature of the product the results will be subjective. But I will say I haven't really noticed any increased fat loss, other than what I would normally expect, in the application areas. I've went through 2 bottles at max dosage so i think i've given it a fair shot. This product is simply too cost prohibitive to run any stronger. I've got some nagging fat on my chest and around my midsection that I was hoping the lipo would help get rid off but I haven't really noticed any difference with or without it.

[DONJUANPIMPIN]

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