Newblood to NO2.. Please help

[funkadooroo]

Hey guys and gals.. I was think about trying out NO2 but i had a few questions.

1) Can it be taken w/ creatine?
2) Which product is the best?
3) Whats the cycle look like?
4) Have you guys had good results w/ NO2?

[gaberox]

its supposed to make creatine work better.
theres no telling which product is best they are all pretty similar
i would suggest doing some research on the different types of arginine
there is no need to cycle on and off
i seem to get pretty good results athough im not totally convinced
the best result it seems to give is really big erections.which means it is
causing xtra blood to flow through the body which is wut it is supposed to do.
it seems to give me a good pump so decide for urself if ur willing to shell out the dough.

good luck

[funkadooroo]

I wouldn't mind shelling out the dough if it works.

[gaberox]

seems to be a 50-50 risk half of the people swear by it and half consider it worthless.athough im kind of on the fence about it even though i continue to use it.

[funkadooroo]

well i think i'm gonna read a bit more about it, but i think i might give it a shot.
B/c it increases blood flow is there any correlation to brain power being increased also?

[F W Nietszche]

buy it at gnc, they have a ubiquitous return policy, a guy i knew used to take most of the bottle and then go back to the store an say it didn't work and he would like his money back (satisfactory guarantee). They would say why is most of it gone and he would reply that he thought taking more would make itwork better etc.

[bingwalker]

For me I don't notice huge pumps or anything, but I do notice that the creatine works much better (fast uptake) than the monohydrate. (I use Xpand) I'm gonna try Xplode next....

[funkadooroo]

Well ill probably start next monday so ill tell you guys how it goes

[gaberox]

well i think i'm gonna read a bit more about it, but i think i might give it a shot.
B/c it increases blood flow is there any correlation to brain power being increased also?

great question!wish i knew the ansewer. it probably does help.as the product ginko biloba is supposed to increase brain productivity through extra blood flow to the brain.i think tyrosine also enhances brain function through xtra blood flow.tyrosine works great for me.athough it also enhances the production of certain nuerotransmitters.

[gaberox]

For me I don't notice huge pumps or anything, but I do notice that the creatine works much better (fast uptake) than the monohydrate. (I use Xpand) I'm gonna try Xplode next....

the better creatine uptake is probably due to the xtra insulin released from the arginine and maybe wut else is in xpand/xplode.arginine is supposed to be very powerfull at releasing insulin.how many grams of arginine do you ingest a day?it takes 10-20 grams a day for me to get pumps.

[pu12en12g]

1) Can it be taken w/ creatine?

2) Which product is the best?

3) Whats the cycle look like?

4) Have you guys had good results w/ NO2?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/no2.html

1) Yes. It SHOULD BE stacked with creatine (see below)

2) There are numerous solid products

3) Unlike creatine, you should ideally cycle off the Nitric Oxide product every few months.

4) Many have. Some have not


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1) The product NO2 from GNC is a absolute ripoff

2) The product NO2 from GNC is a absolute ripoff

3) Nitric Oxide precursors should only be taken if you already have a solid bodybuilding diet and routine. They should be stacked with creatine and plenty of water, carbs, and protein pre-workout.

4) Quality Nitric Oxide supplements:



- Now Foods Arginine / Ornithine stack
- Legal Gear Cold Fusion
- MAN Bodyoctane
- Now Foods AAKG 3500
- Dymatize Xpand
- VNS Jacked
- Get Diesel Nutrition NOS XXX
- Get Diesel Nutrition NOS Ether
- Universal Animal - Storm (brand new)



6) I've used (in order of effectiveness, best to worst):



Get Diesel Nutrition Extreme NOS Precursor
Legal Gear Cold Fusion
Get Diesel Nutrition NOS XXX
Di-Arginine Malate
Arginine Pyroglutamate
Citrulline Malate Powder
AAKG Pills
Ergopharm Stamino2
L-Arginine powder
L-Citrulline
Male Fuel
Horny Goat Weed


7) For those of us on a "budget", I recommend the following stack all to be taken pre-workout, cycled every few months, with plenty of water, and when bulking only:



Arginine (or AAKG / Diarginine malate.. etc)
Ornithine (or Ornithine HCL)
1g Vitamin C
Glycerine (dosage based on bodyweight)
Carbs
Creatine / CEE

Optional:
Carnosine (cheap)
Taurine (cheap / effective)
TMG / Betaine (cheap)
Ribose
ALA
NAC


8) Creatine - Around 30 minutes pre-workout if possible:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=307788

9) Nitric Oxide precursors - Around 60 minutes preworkout if possible:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=4839560&postcount=69

[XCriticalBenchX]

Its a vasodialator. If dialates your veins to allow a high percent of blood flow into the recruiting muscles.

Yes it can be taken with creatine. Your soppose to cycle off creatine for 10 days, then start it again 10 days into the cycle. It allows for pretty absorbtion, then creating better gains. Creatine is usually a must to take with arginine alpha ketaglutarate because of the benifits having them both stacked together.

The cycle usually is 21-30 days long. Taking anywhere from 3 pills two times daily, to 5 pills, two times daily. The pills come in the amouts of 3000mgs to 3500 mgs. Taken 3, 30-45 minutes prior to breakfast and again, 30 minutes prior to lunch. Reason being, your stomach acids are not as strong on an empty stomach, so it gets absorbed faster and better.

I have tried and No2 cycle. I used MRI's NO2. I lasted 22 days into the cycle, but stopped, due to the fact i wasnt seeing the results iwanted, and didnt feel a need to continue. My lifting partner used BSN's Nitrix and stop after 7 days, due to headaches. (maybe not enough water.. but who knows)
We are both starting another cycle again, March 28, and well see how that goes. Were going to try the cycle of Cittriline (SP) Malate and DiArginine Alpha Keta Glutarate.

-Peace-

[gaberox]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/no2.html

1) Yes. It SHOULD BE stacked with creatine (see below)

2) There are numerous solid products

3) Unlike creatine, you should ideally cycle off the Nitric Oxide product every few months.

4) Many have. Some have not


Learn to use the search button.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/search.php?

a) By searching, reading, and bumping another thread to the top you save everyone time, because they don't have to repeat everything that has already been said. 99% of the topics posted about have already been discussed at lengths in the past. You can click on the search button in the top right corner and find information on a variety of topics, as well as on the articles section on the main bodybuilding.com site. This will help you find what you're looking for quicker and easier, and put less stress on the older members of the site who have probably answered your question more than once.

b) Others beginners like yourself ultimately benefit from the other thread instead of having to wait (like you) for answers in your new (empty) thread

c) Ultimately, if people searched and bumped relevent threads to the top, we would end up with more quality threads, and not as much "scattered info". Making it easier for everyone to learn, and help others learn which is why we are all here hopefully.

1) The product NO2 from GNC is a absolute ripoff

2) The product NO2 from GNC is a absolute ripoff

3) Nitric Oxide precursors should only be taken if you already have a solid bodybuilding diet and routine. They should be stacked with creatine and plenty of water, carbs, and protein pre-workout.

4) Quality Nitric Oxide supplements:



- Now Foods Arginine / Ornithine stack
- Legal Gear Cold Fusion
- MAN Bodyoctane
- Now Foods AAKG 3500
- Dymatize Xpand
- VNS Jacked
- Get Diesel Nutrition NOS XXX
- Get Diesel Nutrition NOS Ether
- Universal Animal - Storm (brand new)



6) I've used (in order of effectiveness, best to worst):



Get Diesel Nutrition Extreme NOS Precursor
Legal Gear Cold Fusion
Get Diesel Nutrition NOS XXX
Di-Arginine Malate
Arginine Pyroglutamate
Citrulline Malate Powder
AAKG Pills
Ergopharm Stamino2
L-Arginine powder
L-Citrulline
Male Fuel
Horny Goat Weed


7) For those of us on a "budget", I recommend the following stack all to be taken pre-workout, cycled every few months, with plenty of water, and when bulking only:



Arginine (or AAKG / Diarginine malate.. etc)
Ornithine (or Ornithine HCL)
1g Vitamin C
Glycerine (dosage based on bodyweight)
Carbs
Creatine / CEE

Optional:
Carnosine (cheap)
Taurine (cheap / effective)
TMG / Betaine (cheap)
Ribose
ALA
NAC


8) Creatine - Around 30 minutes pre-workout if possible:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=307788

9) Nitric Oxide precursors - Around 60 minutes preworkout if possible:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=4839560&postcount=69


when u say the product no2 from gnc is a rip off do you mean mri no2?or does gnc have thier own brand?

[HighRevinSi]

Hey guys and gals.. I was think about trying out NO2 but i had a few questions.

1) Can it be taken w/ creatine?
2) Which product is the best?
3) Whats the cycle look like?
4) Have you guys had good results w/ NO2?

Do me a favor and go to t-nation.com and read the new published article on No2. I would advise totally of even purchasing the product in general. Just train hard.

[carmen77]

Yu Yevon said:
The study focuses on nitric oxcide synthesis and its effect on vasodilatation. At first it seems that science backs no2, but upon further inspection you will see that no2 is actually quite dangerous.
The study:
Endothelin-A receptor antagonist-mediated vasodilatation is attenuated by inhibition of nitric oxide synthesis and by endothelin-B receptor blockade.
Verhaar MC, Strachan FE, Newby DE, Cruden NL, Koomans HA, Rabelink TJ, Webb DJ.
Department of Nephrology and Hypertension, University Hospital Utrecht, The Netherlands.

BACKGROUND: The role of endothelin (ET)-1 in maintenance of basal vascular tone has been demonstrated by local and systemic vasodilatation to endothelin receptor antagonists in humans. Although the constrictor effects mediated by the vascular smooth muscle ET(A) receptors are clear, the contribution from endothelial and vascular smooth muscle ET(B) receptors remains to be defined. The present study, in human forearm resistance vessels in vivo, was designed to further investigate the physiological function of ET(A) and ET(B) receptor subtypes in human blood vessels and determine the mechanism underlying the vasodilatation to the ET(A)-selective receptor antagonist BQ-123. METHODS AND RESULTS: Two studies were performed, each in groups of eight healthy subjects. Brachial artery infusion of BQ-123 caused significant forearm vasodilatation in both studies. This vasodilatation was reduced by 95% (P=.006) with inhibition of the endogenous generation of nitric oxide and by 38% (P<.001) with coinfusion of the ET(B) receptor antagonist BQ-788. In contrast, inhibition of prostanoid generation did not affect the response to BQ-123. Infusion of BQ-788 alone produced a 20% reduction in forearm blood flow (P<.001). ConCLUSIonS: Selective ET(A) receptor antagonism causes vasodilatation of human forearm resistance vessels in vivo. This response appears to result in major part from an increase in nitric oxide generation. ET(B) receptor antagonism either alone or on a background of ET(A) antagonism causes local vasoconstriction, indicating that ET(B) receptors in blood vessels respond to ET-1 predominantly by causing vasodilatation.
PubMed

Here lies the problem; vasodilatation causes a drop in blood pressure (because as the veins widen, the pressure drops). Baroreceptors in the aortic arch and in the carotid sinus will detect this fast, sudden drop. In order to protect the body from going into shock, vasomotor centers in the medulla will cause the blood vessels to the brain to constrict in order to increase blood pressure going into the brain (too much blood can severely damage the brain, just like too little). This is a dangerous sequence that can potentially lead to catastrophe!

Keep this in mind the next time you consider using any supplement that claims prolonged pump due to nitric oxide synthesis.
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Yu Yevon said:
Here are some links to the effects of nitric oxide synthesis:
http://www.imakerala.org/nitricoxide1.htm
http://www.gla.ac.uk/departments/ib...2002/cardio.htm
http://physiology.cup.cam.ac.uk/Pro.../Files/S68.html
http://physiology.cup.cam.ac.uk/Pro.../Files/S63.html
http://physiology.cup.cam.ac.uk/Pro.../Files/S71.html
http://physiology.cup.cam.ac.uk/Pro.../Files/S72.html
http://physiology.cup.cam.ac.uk/Pro.../Files/S73.html
http://physiology.cup.cam.ac.uk/Pro.../Files/S74.html
http://physiology.cup.cam.ac.uk/Pro.../Files/S75.html
http://physiology.cup.cam.ac.uk/Pro.../Files/S76.html
http://physiology.cup.cam.ac.uk/Pro.../Files/S78.html
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/328/23/1659
http://ehpnet1.niehs.nih.gov/docs/1...h/abstract.html
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My advice would be to stop taking it at once. I can find the medical studies to back my claim from the American Journal of Sports Medicine, the Journal of Applied Physiology and the National Strength and Conditioning Journal.

But I will simplify it for you:

ont color="red"> Nitric oxcide (no2) causes vasodilation in your blood vessels. As a result, blood pressure drops quickly and drastically. This alerts chemoreceptors and as a last ditch effort to keep the brain from going into shock, the blood vessels leading to the brain vasoconstrict (tighten/get smaller). Sometimes the blood vessels contract completely, not allowing any blood to get through to the brain.
It is no wonder why the most common side effect of no2 is dizzyness. Some have fainted and some have died. I suspect more deaths will come from no2 in the near future. Make sure you aren't one of them...

Courtesy of abcbodybuilding.com

[ace005]

For what it's worth, I have also found that some people swear by it, and some don't care for it. I recently used Nitrix, by BSN. I achieved excellent results. A friend of mine uses NO2. He says he definitely feels a difference when using it. Hope this helps.