Why Do all the NO2 product have AAKG

[KTITAN54]

Why is it that ALL no2 products have aakg as the main ingredient instead of l-arginine? I mean not even one product has l-arginine. I just spent $25 on 100% l-arginine and i find out that the no2 products have aakg instead. I mean dont get me wrong l-arginine works great but if top product like nitrix have aakg as the main and sometimes only ingredient then aakg must be much better than pure l-arginine

[PowerSwede]

Why is it that ALL no2 products have aakg as the main ingredient instead of l-arginine? I mean not even one product has l-arginine. I just spent $25 on 100% l-arginine and i find out that the no2 products have aakg instead. I mean dont get me wrong l-arginine works great but if top product like nitrix have aakg as the main and sometimes only ingredient something has to be different!

A decade ago there was the L-arginine and L-ornithine combo, when people stopped buying the crap because it was useless came AKG and eventually OKG (or OAKG if you'd like), now we have AAKG.

Is it more effective? Effective at what? Show me any evidence that arginine does in fact do what the supplement manufacturers state, come on, it's been around since forever, there have to be some valid studies on the subject?

Arginine, ornithine, glutamine, your body will make it if it needs it and unless you are a burn victim there is no effect.

Arginine is a powerful insulin secratagogue, so is AKG, so it would make sense to combine the two to get a bigger effect, but then again, you could just ingest some dextrose.

[Julien]

AAKG = arginine bound to alpha ketoglutarate, hence resulting in a better bioavailability

[gaberox]

A decade ago there was the L-arginine and L-ornithine combo, when people stopped buying the crap because it was useless came AKG and eventually OKG (or OAKG if you'd like), now we have AAKG.

Is it more effective? Effective at what? Show me any evidence that arginine does in fact do what the supplement manufacturers state, come on, it's been around since forever, there have to be some valid studies on the subject?

Arginine, ornithine, glutamine, your body will make it if it needs it and unless you are a burn victim there is no effect.

Arginine is a powerful insulin secratagogue, so is AKG, so it would make sense to combine the two to get a bigger effect, but then again, you could just ingest some dextrose.

so if it is so usless how does it so greatly improve errections?if there is a lot of xtra blood flowing to the penis doesnt that equal xtra blood to the rest of the body?this is a question not a statment but for xtra blood to make it through to the penis and body wouldnt this require dialation of blood vessels
which would mean xtra no production?just a question.

[gaberox]

hey KTITAN54 i love how u came to my thread talkin **** then started a new thread about somthing so simple that everyone knows the ansewer to.but since u dont shop at gnc i guess u know a lot more than me on supp science.since i purchased my aakg at gnc that means i dont know anything.
ur a fool.

[pu12en12g]

Many products have L-Arginine or Arginine HCL.

[gaberox]

Many products have L-Arginine or Arginine HCL.

yes many products do have L-Arginine or Arginine HCl not to be disrespectfull
but what is ur point here.

[KTITAN54]

hey KTITAN54 i love how u came to my thread talkin **** then started a new thread about somthing so simple that everyone knows the ansewer to.but since u dont shop at gnc i guess u know a lot more than me on supp science.since i purchased my aakg at gnc that means i dont know anything.
ur a fool.

hey gaberox how bout you go suck a dick since you dont no who tha **** ur talkin to you dumass

[KTITAN54]

Oh and i love how ur talkin **** when you asked the same questions dumass
http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=418659

[gaberox]

well who am i talking to?somone who doesnt even know what aakg is but
talks ish to me cause i went to gnc?all i did was ask you about the arginine products you have tried and you got all disrespectfull with me.im trying to get to the bottom of some complex nitric oxide questions and you come on my thread talking ish when you dont even know the difference between l-arginine and aakg.im not the one to argue over the internet so just forget about it.next time just try to maybe read and understand the thread before
you discredit somones knowledge beacuse of where they baught thier supps.
aakg baught at gnc is the same as the aakg orderd from bodybuilding.com
so your remark about me not knowing anything is pretty dumb. as i said on my thread ive done my homework on supps training and nutrition and if you dont even know what aakg is you probably havent.

[gaberox]

Oh and i love how ur talkin **** when you asked the same questions dumass
quote from titan 54

what i was referring to in that post is the supposed phylex 9 delivery system
found in mri no2.not the difference between aakg and l-arginine.aakg is arginine alpha keto gluterate what i was wondering was weather or not the delivery system is for real or not.i know aakg is arginine attatched to a keto gluterate molecule.ur just so silly.

[KTITAN54]

wait. who tha **** said that i didnt no tha diff. all i said was thatwhy l-arginine isnt in any of the other products u dumass. and i wasnt tha one who got all "disrespectful" u started poppin off at me. So u can go screw urself bitch

[gaberox]

Did you see me post anything about aakg in this thread? Did u see me post anything saying its bull****? NO.. And if you dumb enouf to buy gnc brand **** then what you say is worthless.quote from titan 54

whos disrespectfull? did i deserve those comments for asking if youve tried certain products?i think not.i was merley assuming youd tried aakg prducts beacuse you said plain l-arginine works the same as other no products youve used.just beacuse everyone disses on gnc and you do too doesnt make me less knowing of my ish.like ive said many times i do my homework.no wonder you have negative rep power.

[KTITAN54]

well actually the reason was that mr.pu12 w/e thought i shuld use the search button... but if u call .......so youve tried the whole aakg special delivery system and you think its bull ****?wut benifits do yo expirience with the cheap ****. (quote)...... "respectful" then uve got issues

[gaberox]

how is that disrespectfull?its just a simple question.wut does it have to do with the search button?like i said the only reason i asked if you thought the delivery system is bs is beacuse you said u tried several nitric oxide products.
guess i shoudnt have assumed mri no2 was one of them.any way this whole argument is pointless.

[jhibbz5]

Why is it that ALL no2 products have aakg as the main ingredient instead of l-arginine? I mean not even one product has l-arginine. I just spent $25 on 100% l-arginine and i find out that the no2 products have aakg instead. I mean dont get me wrong l-arginine works great but if top product like nitrix have aakg as the main and sometimes only ingredient then aakg must be much better than pure l-arginine

The reason for the AAKG being in everything is simply because it is better. When it comes down to it the arginine itself is still the key component in the AAKG, but it is bound to an alpha ketogluturate for absoorption purposes. When not bonded to the AKG the arginine itself can't fully penetrate the brain barrier to reach the nervous system and therefore is less effective than when bonded to the AKG which can penetrate the barrier much faster and easier which results in a better intake of the Arginine. Think of the AKG as the race car delivering the goods to the brain.

[NO HYPE]

The reason for the AAKG being in everything is simply because it is better. When it comes down to it the arginine itself is still the key component in the AAKG, but it is bound to an alpha ketogluturate for absoorption purposes. When not bonded to the AKG the arginine itself can't fully penetrate the brain barrier to reach the nervous system and therefore is less effective than when bonded to the AKG which can penetrate the barrier much faster and easier which results in a better intake of the Arginine. Think of the AKG as the race car delivering the goods to the brain.

Nice 2005 bump.

The reason AAKG and/or arginine is included in the plethora of NO products, is due to the fact that the good bro's get easily convinced by shady marketing tactics that arginine in any form, will enhance NOS distribution. Which is nothing short of the truth in healthy individuals with a sufficient NO substrate pool.

[pitbull14218]

Nice 2005 bump.

The reason AAKG and/or arginine is included in the plethora of NO products, is due to the fact that the good bro's get easily convinced by shady marketing tactics that arginine in any form, will enhance NOS distribution. Which is nothing short of the truth in healthy individuals with a sufficient NO substrate pool.

So is there a place for NO in my cabinet of supplements, my friend takes it but his also has caffine and he talks about pumps, I always get pumps without taking NO or any supplements that have caffine, so does it work or not? Im on my off cycle of creatine and im thinking about picking up NO...

[VaughnTrue]

So is there a place for NO in my cabinet of supplements, my friend takes it but his also has caffine and he talks about pumps, I always get pumps without taking NO or any supplements that have caffine, so does it work or not? Im on my off cycle of creatine and im thinking about picking up NO...

pick up a product that actually boosts NO. I'm currently running both HemaVol and C-Bol and its the best pump/power stack ive ever used.

[NO HYPE]

I'm currently running both HemaVol and C-Bol and its the best pump/power stack ive ever used.

Makes perfect sense. I'd be curious as to pre and post BP readings while running HemaVol and C-Bol, as a result of such significantly enhanced NOS distribution.

[erikcastle]

Makes the absoorption of nutriens better!!


Train like a freeakkkkkkkk

[TheWaffleIron]

pick up a product that actually boosts NO.

Are there any?

[NO HYPE]

Are there any?

Indeed [ThermoLife]. Can't deny nitrates significant impact on NOS. The only over-the-counter, NOS-independent source of NO that I am aware of.

[TheWaffleIron]

Indeed [ThermoLife]. Can't deny nitrates significant impact on NOS. The only over-the-counter, NOS-independent source of NO that I am aware of.

Ok. I was curious, since I've been one of the more vocal critics of NO products on these boards.

Edit: My vitriol has been directed at L-arginine.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=331214011&postcount=13

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=300793531&postcount=45

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=320112601&postcount=9

[An Inconvenient Bro]

why would you want L-Arginine anyway?

look into Vengeance from Xtreme Formulations. We had a zero fail policy when we designed it therefore we didn't use arginine in any form.

[TheWaffleIron]

why would you want L-Arginine anyway?

look into Vengeance from Xtreme Formulations. We had a zero fail policy when we designed it therefore we didn't use arginine in any form.

L-Arginine is commonly included in NO products, as it is a substrate in the reaction that yields nitric oxide (as catalyzed by nitric oxide synthase).

Again, however, in clinical trials oral L-arginine supplementation has neither augmented serum nitric oxide levels, nor demonstrated any ergogenic effects.

[NO HYPE]

why would you want L-Arginine anyway?

For the all might placebo effect of course.

[rahool]

definitely about to take this.

[ChrisG12]

A decade ago there was the L-arginine and L-ornithine combo, when people stopped buying the crap because it was useless came AKG and eventually OKG (or OAKG if you'd like), now we have AAKG.

Is it more effective? Effective at what? Show me any evidence that arginine does in fact do what the supplement manufacturers state, come on, it's been around since forever, there have to be some valid studies on the subject?

Arginine, ornithine, glutamine, your body will make it if it needs it and unless you are a burn victim there is no effect.

Arginine is a powerful insulin secratagogue, so is AKG, so it would make sense to combine the two to get a bigger effect, but then again, you could just ingest some dextrose.

Ignoring the huge bump and all but it amazes me that this knowledge was there 6 years ago AND we still have companies using it in their products claiming improvements in NO2 levels.