About fat and muscle - ABDOMINALS !!

[Cissy]

When we do abs, we are not burning abdominal fat right but we are building abs muscle right ??

So, effectively, the abs area will get bigger (since your muscles under the fat is getting bigger)
and you will not get smaller waist and stomach as long as you are not losing those fats right ?

My BIG problem is - I'm predisposed to putting on fat in the middle - upper and lower abdomen.
I don't have a wt problem just a fat middle !

Is liposuction the only way out ?

Its real depressing. I see people with lean and thin middles and I'm just so envious.

The worse thing is, I have heard that the fat could be in my intestines cauing the bulge !!
Which means liposuction can't remove it, only aneroxia can ...

Hope somebody here can help !!

[d80p]

In general spot reduction is not possible as fast is removed in layers, like an onion, butas I have posted somewhere else, do a search on topical yohimbine hcl formula, like Yohimburn or Par Deux's topical formula.

Both are backed by research, and I have heard some good things about them. Yohimbine HCL retains water for a while but once use is discontinued the effects become more evident.

Also, you can add additional Yohimbine HCL powder to a carrier solution. For example I buy some separate Yohimbine HCL powder and stick some in Yohimburn solution.

There are other alternatives like liquid clen being injected into problem areas...or clen being crushed and added to a carrier solution(like Yohimburn)...<....(uhm, this is kinda iffy, I haven't seen research to back this up, but hey it could work)

And the liquid clen is a big excessive, but then again, lipo is as well. Depends how desperate you are, and as always research.


READ READ READ!!!!. There is a **** load of info out there.

[Dante B.]

When you do abs, you are indeed working the muscle, and not specifically burning fat in that area; however, it also depends on the type of exercises that you do. The abs do not just grow, per se, but they grow under a certain stimulus. If trained heavy, with low reps, you can keep your abs/obliques very tight without gaining much size, if any (perhaps at first, you may [as this will be a new stimulus], but not to a great degree in the long-run).

So, you can use (relatively) heavy weights, for 4-5 reps (as opposed to doing endless crunches). For example as of now (I am a guy), I weight 205 pounds, yet my stomach (measured around the navel) is about 30 inches (28 if I really sucked in, and 32 if I really push it out, to show you the extremes). This is because I train them very heavy, keeping my reps low, and my weights high (relative to my strength).

But yes, even if you abdominal musculature is small and toned, that will not be readily apparant if you have fat around the area. And, it will not be fat in the intestines, showing itself as outer layers of fat (there is subcutanous fat [under the skin] and intra-muscular fat).

Men and Woman each have a gender/genetic predisposition to store fat in given areas, which can be mediated by Estrogen. The A2 receptors (which are a great part of the problem), have their highest density in a womans hip/thigh/gluteal/and perhaps stomach region. For men, it is more so in their stomach region, lower back and at times their chest. This is accounting for the differences in gender related fat stores (for men, you have the "stick with a stomach syndrome", and for females, you can find the "stick with a butt syndrome" to put it in certain terms).

Assuming that your diet is in order, and that your overall program is in proper-standing, then topical Yohimbine HCL may help, as it antagonizes the A-2 Receptor, halting the prevention of fat from being released.

I will give you this link, for some reading material, however note that I am affiliated with this company: http://www.mindandmuscle.net/main.html

Go to products, click the icon for LipoDerm-Y. There, you will find an article detailing the science of topical fat loss (that is also, the name of the article by Par Deus), and there is also customer feedback.

But again, it depends on how you train your abs, in terms of musculature itself (since that is generally the one area that no one want to build up in size). And as well, you may list your diet/exercise regimen as that perhaps could use some fine-tuning (don't know, of course, since I am working with little info :) ).

EDIT: I just did a thread search on you. Please do not starve yourself, as that is not the way to loose weight in the long run. You will only hurt yourself, and halt your progress. Dieting is a calculated, and rational process, and if done properly, is almost painless (meaning that no extremes are generally necessary to get to a certain goal). I also apologize for the comment made by the troglodyte on that thread ("Should I starve myself").

[Misty]

First things first, you need to lose the question on anorexia. It is nothing to be playing with at all. After that thought leaves your head, you can then think of a reasonable solution for your abdominal fat. I recommend that you need to fit cardio into your routine. The fat around the abdominal area can be very hard to lose. I personally just got through doing that. What did I do? Well, I would do cardio four times a week in the morning. This is so the fat that you burn is the stored deposits and not what is recent. Therefore, I would eat breakfast after I would run. Adjust your ab routine also to new exercises. The ball is a really good prop to use. Also a healthy diet is a main key to losing the fat. The main key, though, to creating a "flat" stomache is to lose body fat percentage. Now, this is just a recommendation. I am not aware of your physical standards right now, so take this advice only if it will be healthy to you and your weight.

If you do research and the only way that you feel to lose this fat is anorexia, then please talk to a trainer. Maybe even work with one for a few weeks to get you on the right track! I don't want you to fall in the eating disorder trap!

[Chris_25]

I would definitely not mess with the anorexia idea. The only real suggestions I have are to add some high intensity cardio like sprints to your workouts and make sure your diet is clean. About the fat being in your intestines. I've never heard of that before but I'm not a doctor and I've heard of a lot more strange stuff.

[Cissy]

can i ask a taboo question ??

do body builders resort to liposuction ???

its hard to believe hoe some people can get REAL washboard /fatfree type of stomach !!


i want to give up :(

[Dante B.]

Originally posted by Cissy
do body builders resort to liposuction ???

its hard to believe hoe some people can get REAL washboard /fatfree type of stomach !!


i want to give up :(

I am certain that some of them do, however, given a combination of genetics and drugs, that is quite possible without Lipo, in their case.

But, from reading your other posts, your are too focused on either starving yourself, or too worried about never getting that look. Everyone has a different genetic disposition, and even with regards to drugs, the final "product"--->the body, will differ.

However, that is not to say that a reasonable degree of fulfillment can not be achieved. If your diet was in total order, then, focusing on what supplements/procedures would be an issue of one nature.

Don't give up :) But, you can't exactly measure yourself by the standard of someone else.

And no, nothing is (or should) be taboo; although not every method that stands behind the curtains, is worthwhile in endeavor. Please list your diet, and exercise routine, and it can be taken from that point (since we can then see where the error may find itself). Regardless, don't starve yourself, and, if you make your efforts in an intelligent manner, success will be found; the only difference from one to another, will be the degree.

[Fletch]

Originally posted by Cissy
can i ask a taboo question ??

do body builders resort to liposuction ???

its hard to believe hoe some people can get REAL washboard /fatfree type of stomach !!


i want to give up :(

I actually asked this question when I was 16 at the Arnold Classic Fitness Expo. The most common response you will get is "HELL NO!!!! We want to sculpt our own bodies.....let the doctors make their money off the lazy movie celebs"

hope this helps

- Fletch

[jdroks]

Originally posted by Fletch


I actually asked this question when I was 16 at the Arnold Classic Fitness Expo. The most common response you will get is "HELL NO!!!! We want to sculpt our own bodies.....let the doctors make their money off the lazy movie celebs"

hope this helps

- Fletch

While that might have been the most common response, it is also a falsehood. Plastic surgery is somewhat common among bodybuilders, especially those that are less genetically gifted. On the stage EVERY edge counts. It should be a last option, but we live in a NOW society. Three bodybuilders, one competitive, that I know personally have had liposuction on the lowerback and some "sculpting" done on the abs. And those are just the ones that openly admit to it.

among the women it is rampant.

[SPRWMN]

CISSY,
DO MORE READING ON THE BOARDS, MORE RESEARCH, MAYBE CHANGE UP YOUR DIET. THE ONLY THING THAT WILL HAPPEN IF YOU STARVE YOURSELF IS WHEN YOU START EATING AGAIN YOU'LL GAIN ALL THE WEIGHT BACK, PLUS MORE. BEEN THERE, DONE THAT!!! DON'T GIVE UP, THIS IS A LIFETIME COMMITMENT OR BATTLE, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PUT IT. IT'S A JOURNEY.

HELL YEAH THE BODYBUILDERS DO LIPO. THEY HAVE A FORM OF AB SCULPTING (LIPO) JUST FOR THE BODYBUILDER TYPES. THERE ARE A MESS LOAD OF PEOPLE AT MY GYM ALONE THAT HAVE HAD LIPO AND BREAST AUGMENTATION. I PERSONALLY KNOW A GUY THAT WANTS CALF IMPLANTS.

MAYBE GIVE LIPODERM Y A TRY, DO HIGH REPS SIT UPS, CRUNCHES, ETC. DO AB WORK THREE TO FOUR TIMES A WEEK. LIKE I SAID, IT'S A JOURNEY.