R3 The Most Complete Recovery Formula!!

[trueathlete]

There are not many complete recovery products out on the market. R3 is the most complete blend of electrolytes,glutamine and amino acids you will find in a supplement. It has been developed by Russian technology called the "omega wave system". This technology has allowed HARD Nutrition staff to see inside an athletes body to actually see if the product is working or not. There is no lying with this machine only the truth.
Over the past 2 years HARD Nutition has tested the product R3 on a variety of athletes. The athletes range from bodybuilders,NFL,UFC,Runners and your workout warrior. The results have been stagering, on average our athletes workload capacity incraeses by 20% and down time has decreased by atleast 30%.
This is the real deal guys, no BS. Put this product to the test. If you are inetersted in trying it out email us at samples@hardnutrition.com and we will send out some samples. Please include your bb.com name. FYI it tastes great also.
The samples will only be available until this coming Sunday.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/hard/rev.html

http://www.omegawavesport.com/whatitdoes/index.html


In addition if you choose to bash me or my knowledge of this product then prepare to be educated on things you might not want to hear. If you have something good to say then please say it. But if you choose to challenge scienctifically proven products then understand if I tell you the truth on matters you might not want to hear. This is meant as a way for you guys to try a great product for FREE! So understand if I feel a little insulted when people make uneducated claims with no basis. Try the product then tell me what you think, if you like it great, if you don't then atleast you have some basis on why!!

[drxmn]

There are not many complete recovery products out on the market. R3 is the most complete blend of electrolytes,glutamine and amino acids you will find in a supplement. It has been developed by Russian technology called the "omega wave system". This technology has allowed HARD Nutrition staff to see inside an athletes body to actually see if the product is working or not. There is no lying with this machine only the truth.
Over the past 2 years HARD Nutition has tested the product R3 on a variety of athletes. The athletes range from bodybuilders,NFL,UFC,Runners and your workout warrior. The results have been stagering, on average our athletes workload capacity incraeses by 20% and down time has decreased by atleast 30%.
This is the real deal guys, no BS. Put this product to the test. If you are inetersted in trying it out email us at samples@hardnutrition.com and we will send out some samples. FYI it tastes great also.
The samples will only be available until this coming Sunday.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/hard/rev.html

http://www.omegawavesport.com/whatitdoes/index.html
great!

:D

[Atheimetal]

Something that amazing at an equally amazing price? Sounds too good to be true.. you can bet I want some samples! :D

(edit - eh kind of jumped the gun on the price thing since it's only 15 days worth when dosed as directed)

[rizzog466]

sent, thanx!

[teenage_guru]

doesnt look to fancy to me... i would have thought their Power Amino Blend seems a little redundant considering there are 20 different ingredients in the prop blend however it only constitutes as a whole 1g...

In all honesty, it seems a little surpassed by Torrent and Replenish...

[kyguy50]

I'm sorry, a post-workout product with no calories? Horrible.

[trueathlete]

doesnt look to fancy to me... i would have thought their Power Amino Blend seems a little redundant considering there are 20 different ingredients in the prop blend however it only constitutes as a whole 1g...

In all honesty, it seems a little surpassed by Torrent and Replenish...

You should not be worrying about supplements at your age. If you are then I would do a little more research on nutrition and training to see that at your age that is all that really matters.

[trueathlete]

I'm sorry, a post-workout product with no calories? Horrible.

It seems to work for some of our most elite athletes. Maybe you have heard of them. Joseph Addai, Rashad Evans, Kieth Jardine, and oh Brandon Stokley. I think I will take there opinion on what is horrible and what is not. Good luck with whatever other products you are taking it seems to be working!!
NOT!!

[kyguy50]

It seems to work for some of our most elite athletes. Maybe you have heard of them. Joseph Addai, Rashad Evans, Kieth Jardine, and oh Brandon Stokley. I think I will take there opinion on what is horrible and what is not. Good luck with whatever other products you are taking it seems to be working!!
NOT!!

Pro athletes endorse products based on who which company pays them more. Don't think for a second that pro BB's actually just use supplements.

BTW, please learn the difference between "they're", "there", and "their".

Thanks.

EDIT: Thanks for the neg! Ignorance at its finest....

[EMISGOD]

It seems to work for some of our most elite athletes. Maybe you have heard of them. Joseph Addai, Rashad Evans, Kieth Jardine, and oh Brandon Stokley. I think I will take there opinion on what is horrible and what is not. Good luck with whatever other products you are taking it seems to be working!!
NOT!!

I hope you're not also taking their opinion on what is correct grammar...:eek:

No need to be an ass. Why are you saying whatever that poster is taking is not working? There is no way for you to tell or not what condition he/she is in and certainly not whether whatever he/she is taking post-nutrition is working and saying what you said makes you look both asinine and patently stupid.

I have spent a lot of time with post recovery supplements. I've looked over yours and found it interesting, but not particularly impressive, more or less along the lines of Universal Animal Nitro G without all the sugar. Post workout recovery agents, in general, tend to be less effective on me personally unless they have some caloric content and perhaps the person posting that reacts the same way. Name-checking your endorsed athletes adds nothing and makes Hard Nutrition look hard up.

[Death From Above]

glutamine, arginine, some bcaas/eaas, and a few minerals. No thanks

[trueathlete]

Pro athletes endorse products based on who which company pays them more. Don't think for a second that pro BB's actually just use supplements.

BTW, please learn the difference between "they're", "there", and "their".

Thanks.

Again you are another uneducated guy on the forums. I am a pro athlete and I will guarantee the athletes that we use take our products. But think what you may in time you will understand why I am pushing this line of products. I know one thing I am seperating myself from guys like you everyday. So please don't take HARD Nutrition supplements it allows the guys who actually understand the philosophy behind us to leave people as yourself behind.
Good luck with that PM me in a year and let me know what you think.

[trueathlete]

glutamine, arginine, some bcaas/eaas, and a few minerals. No thanks

For a guy who is into Lacrosse I would think you might take Lacrosse Greats Gavin Prout and Gee Nash word, but again it amazes me how uneducated guys really are when it comes to supplements.

[kyguy50]

Again you are another uneducated guy on the forums. I am a pro athlete and I will guarantee the athletes that we use take our products. But think what you may in time you will understand why I am pushing this line of products. I know one thing I am seperating myself from guys like you everyday. So please don't take HARD Nutrition supplements it allows the guys who actually understand the philosophy behind us to leave people as yourself behind.

Heh, no danger in me taking HARD Nutrition supplements. This isn't about some philosophy, it's about the ingredient profile of a supplement.

[trueathlete]

Heh, no danger in me taking HARD Nutrition supplements. This isn't about some philosophy, it's about the ingredient profile of a supplement.

Good luck..

[Death From Above]

For a guy who is into Lacrosse I would think you might take Lacrosse Greats Gavin Prout and Gee Nash word, but again it amazes me how uneducated guys really are when it comes to supplements.

it amazes me when a company puts together something that would cost 2$ and then markets it to the ignorant masses in a desperate attempt to make a profit. Gotta love the irony of you calling ME uneducated. You care to explain the physiological processes of recovery/energy and how your product benefits those systems?

or you just want some no name MLL players to "endorse" it and then use that as your major marketing ploy? I know quite a few MLL players personally, they work 9-5 jobs then go play lacrosse, their major focus of training is plyometrics, endurance and anerobic cardio. They dont have diet/nutrition/supplement coaches, the VAST majority have NO IDEA about supplementation nor care to bother with it. They eat right and train hard. So me being "into lacrosse" paired with a couple player endorsements, isnt going to get me to buy your product, that right there reinforces your marketing strategy...

[powerman2000]

Looks more like something I might use for pre-workout.

[Hard Nutrition]

I hope you're not also taking their opinion on what is correct grammar...:eek:

No need to be an ass. Why are you saying whatever that poster is taking is not working? There is no way for you to tell or not what condition he/she is in and certainly not whether whatever he/she is taking post-nutrition is working and saying what you said makes you look both asinine and patently stupid.

I have spent a lot of time with post recovery supplements. I've looked over yours and found it interesting, but not particularly impressive, more or less along the lines of Universal Animal Nitro G without all the sugar. Post workout recovery agents, in general, tend to be less effective on me personally unless they have some caloric content and perhaps the person posting that reacts the same way. Name-checking your endorsed athletes adds nothing and makes Hard Nutrition look hard up.


Sharing knowledge with you guys based off elite athletes who endorse Hard Nutrition products is not name dropping. I would not knock a product because you have "Spent a lot of time with post recovery supplements". Take the advice that is being given and have an open mind. You compared R3 to Universals Animal Nitro G without the sugar! That is a great product and sells very well. Once again who are people going to listen to?? A guy who has "Spent time with recovery drinks"? or the professional athlete kicking ass in a cage or on the field? Hmmm...let me think. Please try it before you knock it.

[leonidas300]

I am a little surprised by the hostile responses, jeez he is only giving away some samples, try it, if you hate it post a review on it, you may like it, but at least wait to bash. I thought Test B would be total crap and I was very impressed with the sample pack I received and I would will probably purchase it sometime in the future, as soon as my ridiculous stash runs out. I have a problem with buying supplements.

[trueathlete]

it amazes me when a company puts together something that would cost 2$ and then markets it to the ignorant masses in a desperate attempt to make a profit. Gotta love the irony of you calling ME uneducated. You care to explain the physiological processes of recovery/energy and how your product benefits those systems?

or you just want some no name MLL players to "endorse" it and then use that as your major marketing ploy?

You just shot your mouth on how much you really know. One you cliam to play lacrosse and you say that Gavin Prout and Gee Nash are no name players in Lacrosse. Actually guy, they are 2 of the biggest names in NLL.
Here are some facts on them read up and let me know what you think:
http://www.hardnutrition.com/prout.html
http://www.hardnutrition.com/nash.html

[trueathlete]

I am a little surprised by the hostile responses, jeez he is only giving away some samples, try it, if you hate it post a review on it, you may like it, but at least wait to bash. I thought Test B would be total crap and I was very impressed with the sample pack I received and I would will probably purchase it sometime in the future, as soon as my ridiculous stash runs out. I have a problem with buying supplements.

Thanks for the support. I like guys as yourself that are here to make the forums better. Not be jack***** and talk crap about companied given away free stuff.

[Death From Above]

I am a little surprised by the hostile responses, jeez he is only giving away some samples, try it, if you hate it post a review on it, you may like it, but at least wait to bash. I thought Test B would be total crap and I was very impressed with the sample pack I received and I would will probably purchase it sometime in the future, as soon as my ridiculous stash runs out. I have a problem with buying supplements.


There are not many complete recovery products out on the market. R3 is the most complete blend of electrolytes,glutamine and amino acids you will find in a supplement. It has been developed by Russian technology called the "omega wave system". This technology has allowed HARD Nutrition staff to see inside an athletes body to actually see if the product is working or not. There is no lying with this machine only the truth.
Over the past 2 years HARD Nutition has tested the product R3 on a variety of athletes. The athletes range from bodybuilders,NFL,UFC,Runners and your workout warrior. The results have been stagering, on average our athletes workload capacity incraeses by 20% and down time has decreased by atleast 30%.
This is the real deal guys, no BS.

In addition if you choose to bash me or my knowledge of this product then prepare to be educated on things you might not want to hear. If you have something good to say then please say it. But if you choose to challenge scienctifically proven products then understand if I tell you the truth on matters you might not want to hear. This is meant as a way for you guys to try a great product for FREE! So understand if I fel a little insulted when people make uneducated claims with no basis. Try the product then tell me what you think, if you like it great, if you don't then atleast you have some basis on why!!

hmmm..

[Death From Above]

You just shot your mouth on how stupid you really are. One you cliam to play lacrosse and you say that Gavin Prout and Gee Nash are no name players in Lacrosse. Actually guy, they are 2 of the biggest names in MLL you idiot.
Here are some facts on them read up and let me know what you think:
http://www.hardnutrition.com/prout.html
http://www.hardnutrition.com/nash.html

what jerseys are they wearing? Mammoth jerseys... the mammoth are in the mll? no.. theyre in the NLL but thanks for calling me an idiot...

[trueathlete]

Looks more like something I might use for pre-workout.

It can be used for pre and post, that is what I do and it works great.

[Hard Nutrition]

it amazes me when a company puts together something that would cost 2$ and then markets it to the ignorant masses in a desperate attempt to make a profit. Gotta love the irony of you calling ME uneducated. You care to explain the physiological processes of recovery/energy and how your product benefits those systems?

or you just want some no name MLL players to "endorse" it and then use that as your major marketing ploy? I know quite a few MLL players personally, they work 9-5 jobs then go play lacrosse, their major focus of training is plyometrics, endurance and anerobic cardio. They dont have diet/nutrition/supplement coaches, the VAST majority have NO IDEA about supplementation nor care to bother with it. They eat right and train hard. So me being "into lacrosse" paired with a couple player endorsements, isnt going to get me to buy your product, that right there reinforces your marketing strategy...
Sounds like you don't know any professionals then. Being a professional requires one to take care of his body through diet, training, and supplements. For a professional athlete to have "No idea" about supplements is just plain stupid. I would not considered them pro athletes if they don't have a knowledge on diet/nutrition/or supplements. Sounds like some amature lacrosse being played.

[Death From Above]

Sounds like you don't know any professionals then. Being a professional requires one to take care of his body through diet, training, and supplements. For a professional athlete to have "No idea" about supplements is just plain stupid. I would not considered them pro athletes if they don't have a knowledge on diet/nutrition/or supplements. Sounds like some amature lacrosse being played.

when you actually know/play/interact with a Professional Lacrosse player, talk to me. Until then, you still have yet to answer my question on what physiological processes your supplement effects/benefits...or how exactly it aides in recovery.

[mattftw]

Looks neat, but saying such and such pro athlete uses it doesnt mean much.. after all, jay cutler pimps dat dere cell-tech. I'm gonna grab a sample and let you know what i think. thanks!

[trueathlete]

what jerseys are they wearing? Mammoth jerseys... the mammoth are in the mll? no.. theyre in the NLL but thanks for calling me an idiot...

Good job you actually know a little bit about lacrosse. Give me about 5 minutes while I finish writing you a mini book on why R3 works. Do you need it in layman terms or can you read scientific facts?

[Death From Above]

Good job you actually know a little bit about lacrosse. Give me about 5 minutes while I finish writing you a mini book on why R3 works. Do you need it in layman terms or can you read scientific facts?

id prefer the science... and i appreciate the response.

[OneBetter]

For a guy who is into Lacrosse I would think you might take Lacrosse Greats Gavin Prout and Gee Nash word, but again it amazes me how uneducated guys really are when it comes to supplements.

this post has to be a joke. big ron also got to where he is today with cell mass and no xplode. people will say whatever you want for the right price; and why would they not take the supplements, they're free.

1g of an amino acid "blend", glutamine and glutamic acid, 3g arginine.. i'm not seeing a complete recovery formula here.

cool, you have electrolytes. one decent thing.

the ingredients are underdosed and it's a poor formulation.

[drxmn]

what about during workout to keep goin?

[Death From Above]

ill read this later tonight, i need to leave.

[SHOWTIME]

when you actually know/play/interact with a Professional Lacrosse player, talk to me. Until then, you still have yet to answer my question on what physiological processes your supplement effects/benefits...or how exactly it aides in recovery.

How about you take this to PM or email...

This is the Company promo section.. they are talking about a new product and giving out some free samples.

Try it if you like it post about it if you dont then post about why you do not...

[Hard Nutrition]

when you actually know/play/interact with a Professional Lacrosse player, talk to me. Until then, you still have yet to answer my question on what physiological processes your supplement effects/benefits...or how exactly it aides in recovery.

Well where should I begin... I played major NCAA lacrosee and was freshman of the year in 2002. Also, my roomate and good friend plays professional lacrosse and has for the past four years. Does that count?? I also played pro football for whatever that is worth. I don't know to many pro lacrosse players coming out of San Diego??

[SHOWTIME]

Looks neat, but saying such and such pro athlete uses it doesnt mean much.. after all, jay cutler pimps dat dere cell-tech. I'm gonna grab a sample and let you know what i think. thanks!

Good grab a sample and try it out... The thing with this company is it does not seem like some other ones its not like Jay Cutler saying MT got him huge and Jacked.

This is a company with a lot of Pro athletes and trueathlete
played in the NFL he is not just saying oh he knows a pro athlete who used it.

So these are pro athletes who I believe actually use these supplements.

I say give the supplements a try especially the free samples and try it for yourself <--- This is directed to everyone not just you...

[powerman2000]

It can be used for pre and post, that is what I do and it works great.

:cool:

Pretty fair price too. :)

[trueathlete]

id prefer the science... and i appreciate the response.





Glutamine:
-essential for protien syntasis
-prevents muscles from catabolization
-speeds up healing recovery and maintains cell volume hydration

Glutamic Acid:
-a nero transmitter
-important for metabolisim of sugars and fats
-helps with the transportation of potassium across the blood brain barrier, very few things can cross that and without it it slows recovery
-it is used as fuel in the brain
-attaches itself to nitrogen atoms in the process of forming glutamine, this action detoxifies the body of amonia and is the only way the brain can be detoxified of imonia


Calcium:
Every competitive athlete is built on a premium frame. Absorbing the right calcium to support the hard work you?ve put in can be difficult. Power Cal was developed with the increased stresses of a professional athlete in mind. You put in long hours in the gym and expect those hours to pay off in the game. Calcium, and the adsorption of that calcium, is the key to strong bones and muscles. To ensure the most complete adsorption we draw from ten different sources of calcium. We charge that intake with magnesium to assist in the calcium assimilation as well as aid in nerve function to your muscles. We?ve rounded out this formula with vitamin D3 to complete the utilization of calcium and phosphorus to protect the muscles and bones.
It pays to reinforce the frame of the high performance machine you?ve spent years building!

Muscle contraction; Calcium plays a vital role in muscle contraction and nerve impulse conduction, which explains why calcium plays such a vital role in your workout and athletic performance. It is also necessary for heartbeat regulation through its effects on heart muscle. Calcium is involved in the transport of nutrients and other substances across cell membranes including the supplement you take.

Bone Structure; Calcium is critical for proper bone formation as well as bone density, crucial for preventing breaks, and skeletal maintenance. Calcium also plays a role in the prevention of arthritis.

Other functions; Calcium is essential for cell division, healthy immune function, for enzyme activity and for the production and activity of hormones involved in digestion, energy and fat metabolism, and the production of saliva. It is also involved in the transport of nutrients and other substances across cell membranes.

Nervous system; Calcium is essential for nerve impulse conduction. It plays a role in the release of neurotransmitters and activates some enzymes which generate neurotransmitters.
Smoking, high refined sugar intake, caffeine, alcohol and excess salt promote calcium excretion, thereby increasing the risk of deficiency. High protein diets also increase calcium excretion, particularly if the protein comes from meat.

Deficiencies; Calcium deficiencies can be the result of high refined sugar intake, caffeine, alcohol and excess salt, all of which promote calcium excretion, thereby increasing the risk of deficiency. High protein diets also increase calcium excretion, particularly if the protein comes from meat

Best Source; Americans take more calcium than any people on earth, although it is generally from a single source, and yet we have the highest rate of osteoporosis and bone density problems. This is because we simply don't get the right forms of calcium or absorb it properly. The good news is that now with Power Cal you can have the most advanced, broad-spectrum calcium available. We started with the top 10 calcium sources, and then to insure the maximum absorption we added the best forms of Vitamin D3 and Magnesium. Power Cal your complete calcium!

Calcium Carbonate, Calcium Gluconate, Calcium Amino Acid Chelate, Calcium Lactate, Calcium Pantothenate, Calcium Aspartate, Calcium Phosphate, Calcium Citrate, Calcium Oratate, Calcium Glycerophosphate, Magnesium, Vitamin D-3

10 Easley Assimilated Calcium Sources

Magnesium- Critical for Calcium and Potassium absorption, helping to maintain strong bones and the prevention of kidney stones, also aids in nerve transmission and muscle function and prevents muscle weakness. It is vital for the activation of enzymes to metabolize blood sugars, proteins and carbohydrates and is needed for proper bone growth.
Vitamin D-3- required for the absorption and utilization of calcium and phosphorus. It protects against muscle weakness and helps regulate heartbeat.


Amino Acid Blend:
L-Threonine- is an important constituent of collagen, Elastin, and enamel protein; helps prevents fat build-up in the liver; helps the digestive and intestinal tracts function more smoothly; assists metabolism and assimilation.
L-Valine- helps to maintain proper nitrogen balance in the body, promotes mental vigor, assist in tissue repair and muscle metabolism, improves coordination and calm emotions
L-Methionine- a natural chelating agent for heavy metals; helps prevent disorders of the hair, skin and nails; helps lower cholesterol levels, reduces liver fat and protects the kidneys
L-Isoleucine- utilized for the production of energy, stimulants to the brain and helping you to be more alert, deficiency has been found in people suffering from many different mental problems.
L-Phenylalanine-used by the brain to produce Norepinephrine, a chemical that transmits signals between nerve cells and the brain; keeps you awake & alert; reduces hunger pains; functions as an antidepressant and helps improve memory, low levels associated with Epstein-Barr virus.
L-Histidine- is found abundantly in hemoglobin need to transport nutrients, deficiency can cause poor hearing.
L-Lysine- deficiency may result in the inability to concentrate, tiredness, irritability, hair loss, and anemia
L-Arginine-considered crucial for optimal muscle growth and tissue repair, increases immune responses to bacteria, and viruses, aid with regeneration of the liver; causes the release of growth hormones
L-Aspartic Acid- studies have shown that Aspartic Acid may increase resistance to fatigue and increase endurance, helps rid the body of toxins such as ammonia which is harmful to the central nervous system
L-Serine- a source of glucose stored by the liver and muscles; helps strengthen the immune system by providing antibodies; maintains critical fatty acid sheath around nerve fibers.
L-Glutamic Acid- referred to as nature's "Brain food" due to the fact that it improves mental capacities; gives a "lift" from fatigue and helps control the craving for sugar
L-Proline- critical for the proper functioning of joints and tendons; also helps maintain and strengthen heart muscles, easily released for muscular energy
L-Glycine-helps trigger the release of oxygen to the, energy requiring, cell-making process; crucial for the manufacturing of hormones responsible for a strong immune system.
L-Alanine- an important source of energy for the brain, central nervous system and muscle tissue, strengthens the immune system by producing antibodies; helps in the metabolism of sugars for energy
L-Leucine- increases the uptake of neurotransmitter precursors by the brain which stimulants to the upper brain and helps you to be more alert, utilized for the production of energy
L-Tyrosine- transmits nerve impulses to the brain; helps overcome depression; Improves memory; increases mental alertness; promotes the healthy functioning of the thyroid, adrenal and pituitary glands.
L-Cysteine- antioxidant, a powerful aid to the body in protecting against pollution and radiation, helps slow down the aging process, helps deactivate free radicals, neutralize toxins; aids in protein synthesis and improves white blood cell formation


If you need more let me know..

[trueathlete]

Good grab a sample and try it out... The thing with this company is it does not seem like some other ones its not like Jay Cutler saying MT got him huge and Jacked.

This is a company with a lot of Pro athletes and trueathlete
played in the NFL he is not just saying oh he knows a pro athlete who used it.

So these are pro athletes who I believe actually use these supplements.

I say give the supplements a try especially the free samples and try it for yourself <--- This is directed to everyone not just you...

Thanks bro for the support. I can not stand people who can not see a good thing even it slaps them in the face. The facts always surface in time, just hate wasting time with guys like him when we could talking about positive things we offer.(free trips,free supps,free autograph of top athletes)

[trueathlete]

what about during workout to keep goin?

A few guys do take during the workout and have had good results. Here is how I take it: I am kind of addicted to it!!
1 serving in am
1 serving pre/during wk out
1 serving post workout

[EMISGOD]

Sharing knowledge with you guys based off elite athletes who endorse Hard Nutrition products is not name dropping. I would not knock a product because you have "Spent a lot of time with post recovery supplements". Take the advice that is being given and have an open mind. You compared R3 to Universals Animal Nitro G without the sugar! That is a great product and sells very well. Once again who are people going to listen to?? A guy who has "Spent time with recovery drinks"? or the professional athlete kicking ass in a cage or on the field? Hmmm...let me think. Please try it before you knock it.

I guess I should be more explicit. The supplement itself looks fine, nothing special, but nothing ****ty like a lot of the various "garbage can" types I see out there. I have not tried it, that is correct. There are a number of other products ahead of this one before I get to it, so I probably won't for a while, either.

My problem is with your methodology. As an athlete, you may be top caliber (and may not be), but as a product rep, you have a long way to go. If you insist on insulting everyone who questions your products and allege those persons stupid on the sole basis of them not agreeing with you or your endorsed athletes, who are PAID to push the product, you will not grow your line, no matter how good. My point was and remains that you need not be a prick in the face of adversity. Perhaps you could listen to some of the arguments instead of dismissing them all as stupid.

Finally, people are going to listen to whoever they want to listen to. I have no stake in your company or any other and do not personally know anyone on these Forums on a face to face basis, so it is a complicated exercise in futility for me to even consider worrying about who is buying what. I deliver my experience, period. You know less than nothing about me or many of these other posters and none of us know anything about your endorsed athletes, as in whether they are even taking ANY of your products or not.

Bottom line, come forth with knowledge and let the bull**** cease. You said to let you think...I wish you would.

[OneBetter]

How about you take this to PM or email...

This is the Company promo section.. they are talking about a new product and giving out some free samples.

Try it if you like it post about it if you dont then post about why you do not...

why are we not allowed to ask questions in a product thread? this isn't a FAQ, and hell i didn't even know what it was until i clicked on it. using unsubstantiated claims and non-descriptive titles is just asking to get called out. he even edited the original post saying that you can prepare to get schooled if you ask a question. if they want us to refrain from asking questions, then perhaps they should say so instead of continuing the insulting/flame fest that is beginning.

if all the thread said was, free samples of our product i wouldn't of even posted here.

and trueathlete was the one throwing out the insults before any of this began.


Again you are another uneducated guy on the forums


but again it amazes me how uneducated guys really are when it comes to supplements.

[drxmn]

A few guys do take during the workout and have had good results. Here is how I take it: I am kind of addicted to it!!
1 serving in am
1 serving pre/during wk out
1 serving post workout
yeah but you have a never ending supply;)

what would you compare the taste to? do you guys still have my address or no?

[mr.left hook]

sounds goods done deal

[OneBetter]

Well here you go get ready to be educated. I should call myself knowledge, I just seem to drop knowledge on guys like you all the time!!! Also this product was proven by science so maybe do a little research on that. Do you understand what 20% and 30% means. Also after read this let me know where you can get $2 formulas like this, I need that number.

**copy/paste edited out**

that's it? you just copy and paste what they all do? where's all the science you've been talking about? 1g of an amino blend isn't going to do jack. glutamine, nope. ---> http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2722671)

[trueathlete]

I guess I should be more explicit. The supplement itself looks fine, nothing special, but nothing ****ty like a lot of the various "garbage can" types I see out there. I have not tried it, that is correct. There are a number of other products ahead of this one before I get to it, so I probably won't for a while, either.

My problem is with your methodology. As an athlete, you may be top caliber (and may not be), but as a product rep, you have a long way to go. If you insist on insulting everyone who questions your products and allege those persons stupid on the sole basis of them not agreeing with you or your endorsed athletes, who are PAID to push the product, you will not grow your line, no matter how good. My point was and remains that you need not be a prick in the face of adversity. Perhaps you could listen to some of the arguments instead of dismissing them all as stupid.

Finally, people are going to listen to whoever they want to listen to. I have no stake in your company or any other and do not personally know anyone on these Forums on a face to face basis, so it is a complicated exercise in futility for me to even consider worrying about who is buying what. I deliver my experience, period. You know less than nothing about me or many of these other posters and none of us know anything about your endorsed athletes, as in whether they are even taking ANY of your products or not.

Bottom line, come forth with knowledge and let the bull**** cease. You said to let you think...I wish you would.

Bro I am here to state facts. If you do not like it then go to another thread. What I say I back up 100%. If you do not like to be set straight then choose your words correctly. I am competive and will always be that way. We are here to give free product away..

[trueathlete]

yeah but you have a never ending supply;)

what would you compare the taste to? do you guys still have my address or no?

The taste is similar to fruit punch koolaid. Resend me your adress or send in for a sample.

[Hard Nutrition]

I guess I should be more explicit. The supplement itself looks fine, nothing special, but nothing ****ty like a lot of the various "garbage can" types I see out there. I have not tried it, that is correct. There are a number of other products ahead of this one before I get to it, so I probably won't for a while, either.

My problem is with your methodology. As an athlete, you may be top caliber (and may not be), but as a product rep, you have a long way to go. If you insist on insulting everyone who questions your products and allege those persons stupid on the sole basis of them not agreeing with you or your endorsed athletes, who are PAID to push the product, you will not grow your line, no matter how good. My point was and remains that you need not be a prick in the face of adversity. Perhaps you could listen to some of the arguments instead of dismissing them all as stupid.

Finally, people are going to listen to whoever they want to listen to. I have no stake in your company or any other and do not personally know anyone on these Forums on a face to face basis, so it is a complicated exercise in futility for me to even consider worrying about who is buying what. I deliver my experience, period. You know less than nothing about me or many of these other posters and none of us know anything about your endorsed athletes, as in whether they are even taking ANY of your products or not.

Bottom line, come forth with knowledge and let the bull**** cease. You said to let you think...I wish you would.


Agree. I'm sorry if I come across upset or trying to disregard your comments mentioned earlier. You make some good points and I appreciate your opinion. I would rather come forth with knowledge then keep this a negitive thread. Please let us send you a sample if you have time.

[trueathlete]

that's it? you just copy and paste what they all do? where's all the science you've been talking about? 1g of an amino blend isn't going to do jack. glutamine, nope. ---> http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2722671)

The science is been proven with a omega wave system. The facts are that on average R3 will increase of workload capacity by 20% and decrease in recovery time up to 30% .
Here is the link to educate yourself on the technology that help configure these cut and paste numbers you cliam.

http://www.omegawavesport.com/whatitshows/index.html

[OneBetter]

The science is been proven with a omega wave system. The facts are that on average R3 will increase of workload capacity by 20% and decrease in recovery time up to 30% .
Here is the link to educate yourself on the technology that help configure these cut and paste numbers you cliam.

http://www.omegawavesport.com/whatitshows/index.html

cool, so now i know what an omega wave system is. where is your data?

reread my post, i didn't say cut and paste numbers. you cut and pasted the info on aminos/glutamine/etc etc.

[boyscouT]

You just shot your mouth on how stupid you really are. One you cliam to play lacrosse and you say that Gavin Prout and Gee Nash are no name players in Lacrosse. Actually guy, they are 2 of the biggest names in MLL you idiot.
Here are some facts on them read up and let me know what you think:
http://www.hardnutrition.com/prout.html
http://www.hardnutrition.com/nash.html
To all:

I would hope in the future, personal insults are NOT part of your posts.

What happened to acting your age?

Especially when you represent a company.

[SHOWTIME]

why are we not allowed to ask questions in a product thread? this isn't a FAQ, and hell i didn't even know what it was until i clicked on it. using unsubstantiated claims and non-descriptive titles is just asking to get called out. he even edited the original post saying that you can prepare to get schooled if you ask a question. if they want us to refrain from asking questions, then perhaps they should say so instead of continuing the insulting/flame fest that is beginning.


Alright I dont think they mind questions being asked. i did not mean that no one should ask questions, this isnt even my thread so it doesnt matter either way.

I meant the negative comments going can be done through PM or email
In the company promo section it would be better with Promos and questions just without the negativity..

I have a question

Since the taste is Fruit Punch is it very strong like some creatine products that are fruit punch are very strong and almost burn going down. I know this isnt a creatine product im just using that as a reference for the taste.
Also it says 8-12oz do you follow that or do you use more/less?

[trueathlete]

Alright I dont think they mind questions being asked. i did not mean that no one should ask questions, this isnt even my thread so it doesnt matter either way.

I meant the negative comments going can be done through PM or email
In the company promo section it would be better with Promos and questions just without the negativity..

I have a question

Since the taste is Fruit Punch is it very strong like some creatine products that are fruit punch are very strong and almost burn going down. I know this isnt a creatine product im just using that as a reference for the taste.
Also it says 8-12oz do you follow that or do you use more/less?

Agree on the negativity of the comments. This was meant and still is meant to be free promo sample of R3. I guess people don't like Free stuff.

To answer your question on the R3 taste it does not burn or have a strong taste. I suggest atleast 8 oz but I usually mix it with 16-20oz for the water benfit.

[dirtydean12]

To all:

I would hope in the future, personal insults are NOT part of your posts.

What happened to acting your age?

Especially when you represent a company.

understandable...but there was equal flaming/bashing on both sides. personally i dont think its fair if a company comes offering samples and gets bashed, then responds to harsh remarks only to be chastised by mods...equal punishment for both sides.

[MattyH7688]

jesus.. this thread got out of hand fast


anyways, i am really interested in trying this.. i have always been curious how i respond to glycine as i have heard good things.. email sent

[EMISGOD]

Bro I am here to state facts. If you do not like it then go to another thread. What I say I back up 100%. If you do not like to be set straight then choose your words correctly. I am competive and will always be that way. Maybe that is the difference between a guy like me who actuallly does what he says and a guy like you who hides behind a computer and claims he does this and that!! I owe this forum the responsibilty to share my knowledge and call people out when they are ignorant and I call BULL****!!!

Since you like the whole "setting straight" concept so much, here's some help for you. You have yet to "set me straight" and you damn sure will not dictate where and when I post on these Forums. You talk with a mouthful of **** about things of which you have not even the remotest conception. Point out where I am "claiming" to have done anything beyond post my experience. While you're at it, go on ahead and prove you've done anything except exhibit a bad case of typing diarrhea. You have yet to state any facts, but thanks for proving my point about you being a worse than useless rep.


Agree. I'm sorry if I come across upset or trying to disregard your comments mentioned earlier. You make some good points and I appreciate your opinion. I would rather come forth with knowledge then keep this a negitive thread. Please let us send you a sample if you have time.

What is this, good rep, bad rep? :D

As I said, I will get to your product when I have time, which looks like December, at the very earliest, at this point. I have grave doubts about this product as it goes against my philosophy of having a faster-digesting protein post-workout, but despite the ridiculous ASSertations of the OP, I still have an open mind towards this product and will use it if it delivers.

[EMISGOD]

Agree on the negativity of the comments. This was meant and still is meant to be free promo sample of R3. I guess people don't like Free stuff.

Cute. Blame people for responding when you derail your own thread. :rolleyes:

[OneBetter]

understandable...but there was equal flaming/bashing on both sides. personally i dont think its fair if a company comes offering samples and gets bashed, then responds to harsh remarks only to be chastised by mods...equal punishment for both sides.

he said to all, not just to the company reps. as you know though, company reps are held to a higher standard being that they represent said company.

i can't speak for anyone but myself on this, but my intentions are not to just aimless bash. when a company makes claims about being "The Most Complete Formula", they should back it. i don't see asking for backing as bashing, either.

[boyscouT]

understandable...but there was equal flaming/bashing on both sides. personally i dont think its fair if a company comes offering samples and gets bashed, then responds to harsh remarks only to be chastised by mods...equal punishment for both sides.
See bold:

To all:

I would hope in the future, personal insults are NOT part of your posts.

What happened to acting your age?

Especially when you represent a company.
:)

[trueathlete]

To all:

I would hope in the future, personal insults are NOT part of your posts.

What happened to acting your age?

Especially when you represent a company.

I apoligize to anyone I have offended. I have no tollernce for people who claim and bash things before they see a company offering a good deal. Read my thread it is clear on what to expect with ignorant and negative comments. I have offered some great things threw free give aways the last couple of months , and it will be hard to keep giving away things to this forum if people allow negative crap on company promotions section. This is for company promos not misc or supplement science.

[Mr. Aries]

scout is batman now? :D ...


can I borrow the ride bro?

[trueathlete]

he said to all, not just to the company reps. as you know though, company reps are held to a higher standard being that they represent said company.

i can't speak for anyone but myself on this, but my intentions are not to just aimless bash. when a company makes claims about being "The Most Complete Formula", they should back it. i don't see asking for backing as bashing, either.

Choose your words better on asking to back the facts. I did back the facts I left a mini book for you to read. Facts and truth hurts especially when you know they are right. I did not say anything out of that nature. So if you guys can not handle the truth then sorry for my comments, and I will ignore you guys from here on.

[SHOWTIME]

Agree on the negativity of the comments. This was meant and still is meant to be free promo sample of R3. I guess people don't like Free stuff.

To answer your question on the R3 taste it does not burn or have a strong taste. I suggest atleast 8 oz but I usually mix it with 16-20oz for the water benfit.

ok Cool I will send a email tomorrow and review the sample after use.

[OneBetter]

Choose your words better on asking to back the facts. I did back the facts I left a mini book for you to read. Facts and truth hurts I did not say anything out of that nature. So if you guys can not handle the truth then sorry for my comments, and I will ignore you guys from here on.

you didn't back anything. you didn't write that either. it's a cut and paste of what amino acids, glutamine, etc do. dose is key here, i already know what amino acids do.

you've backed nothing, and you're making your company look bad with all the insults you continue to use.

[EMISGOD]

I apoligize to anyone I have offended. I have no tollernce for people who claim and bash things before they see a company offering a good deal. Read my thread it is clear on what to expect with ignorant and negative comments. I have offered some great things threw free give aways the last couple of months , and it will be hard to keep giving away things to this forum if people allow negative crap on company promotions section. This is for company promos not misc or supplement science.

Don't start nothin', there won't be nothin', man. You need look no further than the nearest mirror for the cause of this.

What did I say? I said it looked interesting, but not impressive. Are you saying that anything less than glowing diatribes is an ignorant or negative comment? Both? Are you saying persons can't have reservations because it is something YOU are PAID to push?

You have a lot to learn, kid, starting with how to handle criticism and how you handle what you perceive as negativity. Threatening not to have any more posts in the Company Promotion will lose none of us here any sleep...

[trueathlete]

Don't start nothin', there won't be nothin', man. You need look no further than the nearest mirror for the cause of this.

What did I say? I said it looked interesting, but not impressive. Are you saying that anything less than glowing diatribes is an ignorant or negative comment? Both? Are you saying persons can't have reservations because it is something YOU are PAID to push?

You have a lot to learn, kid, starting with how to handle criticism and how you handle what you perceive as negativity. Threatening not to have any more posts in the Company Promotion will lose none of us here any sleep...

Good luck with your self...

[OneBetter]

Good luck with your self, I will make sure if I have any questions in the future I will run them by you. You are full of knowledge. LOL

way to prove him right.

[EMISGOD]

Good luck with your self, I will make sure if I have any questions in the future I will run them by you. You are full of knowledge. LOL

Right back to talking about the product, I see...you learn so fast, it's borderline amazing. You are full, also, though I would hardly call it knowledge...LOL

[Hard Nutrition]

A lot to learn kid??? Trueathlete and myslef have done more in the past three years then you have in your entire life. Please don't act like you know anyone on this forum personally. I know you can't wait to get off your 9-5 and try and push your half ass knowledge on people but most are not going to buy it. This was a free promotion of a product, not a reason for you to bash and act like you are so busy to try something new. Please do yourself a favor and look in the mirror it's time for some changes.


Don't start nothin', there won't be nothin', man. You need look no further than the nearest mirror for the cause of this.

What did I say? I said it looked interesting, but not impressive. Are you saying that anything less than glowing diatribes is an ignorant or negative comment? Both? Are you saying persons can't have reservations because it is something YOU are PAID to push?

You have a lot to learn, kid, starting with how to handle criticism and how you handle what you perceive as negativity. Threatening not to have any more posts in the Company Promotion will lose none of us here any sleep...

[EMISGOD]

way to prove him right.

Again.

[trueathlete]

Right back to talking about the product, I see...you learn so fast, it's borderline amazing. You are full, also, though I would hardly call it knowledge...LOL

This my last comment to you guys. What exactly expertise to you offer to these forums. Do you have any pics of yourselves to show me that you even resemble some one who works out. How about you playing any major type of sport past highschool, like maybe the NFL, or even college ball?
What exactly would you say you do?

[EMISGOD]

A lot to learn kid??? Trueathlete and myslef have done more in the past three years then you have in your entire life. Please don't act like you know anyone on this forum personally. I know you can't wait to get off your 9-5 and try and push your half ass knowledge on people but most are not going to buy it. This was a free promotion of a product, not a reason for you to bash and act like you are so busy to try something new. Please do yourself a favor and look in the mirror it's time for some changes.

Awesome. Bad rep, bad rep.

Apparently, we didn't have enough untrustworthy companies around here...:rolleyes:

You guys seriously trashed your own thread, which is dumb, dumb, dumb. Congrats. Apparently, you both have a lot to learn.

I already said I DON'T know anyone on these threads personally, face to face. Here, try this. It might help. www.rif.org. Good luck.

You definitely do not know me or what I'm doing or what I have time for or what products I have lined up ahead of yours...it would be funny when you suggest otherwise if it wasn't so sad...

[EMISGOD]

This my last comment to you guys. What exactly expertise to you offer to these forums. Do you have any pics of yourselves to show me that you even resemble some one who works out. How about you playing any major type of sport past highschool, like maybe the NFL, or even college ball?
What exactly would you say you do?

Porn star. Duh. Everyone posting online is. :rolleyes:

[drxmn]

i bet i can pee farther than ALL of you

[trueathlete]

i bet i can pee farther than ALL of you

I think you might win. LOL

[OneBetter]

This my last comment to you guys. What exactly expertise to you offer to these forums. Do you have any pics of yourselves to show me that you even resemble some one who works out. How about you playing any major type of sport past highschool, like maybe the NFL, or even college ball?
What exactly would you say you do?

this has become somewhat amusing to me. no one has anything to prove to you. you are the one who has something to prove to me, the consumer.

cool, you play sports. that doesn't mean you know anything about supplements/body functions.

[trueathlete]

On a different note I will be posting the official list for Train With The Pros.
So please guys who tried to bash tonight, don't come running when you the list of athletes we have for the contest. We only want people who are excited about HARD Nutrition to enter, so to all you Negative Nancies stay away.

[trueathlete]

this has become somewhat amusing to me. no one has anything to prove to you. you are the one who has something to prove to me, the consumer.

cool, you play sports. that doesn't mean you know anything about supplements/body functions.

Go to bed, no one wants to hear from people like you. Keep this forum postive.

[ab-swing asianbabe]

Come on peeps, give these guys a break, what did they ever do other than give out a few samples to deserve all this bashing.

[SHOWTIME]

On a different note I will be posting the official list for Train With The Pros.
So please guys who tried to bash tonight, don't come running when you see the list of athletes we have for the contest. We only want people who are excited about HARD Nutrition to enter, so to all you Negative Nancies sorry and better luck next time.


You are posting that list on wensday correct?

[trueathlete]

Come on peeps, give these guys a break, what did they ever do other than give out a few samples to deserve all this bashing.

Thanks for the support, we need more people lkie yourself on this forum.

[trueathlete]

You are posting that list on wensday correct?

Yes tommorrow, I can't wait. I might have to win the special guest though. J/J

[OneBetter]

Go to bed, no one wants to hear from people like you. Keep this forum postive. Keep your head up things will be better tommorrow for you.

haha, hypocrisy at it's finest.

good point, you aren't worth my time. your product is transparent, and really does it self in.

good luck to you.

[EMISGOD]

Come on peeps, give these guys a break, what did they ever do other than give out a few samples to deserve all this bashing.

Acted like complete asshats.

They should have limited their commentary to the product/samples.

[ab-swing asianbabe]

Acted like complete asshats.

They should have limited their commentary to the product/samples.
All I am saying is I can understand their defensiveness.. especially when you've got a thousand people stamping on something you believe in.

[OneBetter]

you still talking?

;)

[trueathlete]

You know I was thinking about trying this product untill I read all 3 pages of trueathlete being such a dick coming at people like that when they didnt even bash it that bad. Trueathlete has his head so far up this companies butt hes claiming like he knows everything and everyone is wrong but him. I give props to EMISGOD when he told him whats up on being a good rep. I will never order anything from this company based on trueathlete's posts. Oh yea by the way, Rashad Evans blows, Tito was the only good fighter he ever fought and it was a draw other then that hes a lay and pray artist.

Good luck to you as well my friend. Do me a favor and read the origianal thread. This is a free thing, so I was not trying to hear negative crap. I never bashed any one and if you have trouble with true hard facts then I must be an jerk as you say.

[SHOWTIME]

There are not many complete recovery products out on the market. R3 is the most complete blend of electrolytes,glutamine and amino acids you will find in a supplement. It has been developed by Russian technology called the "omega wave system". This technology has allowed HARD Nutrition staff to see inside an athletes body to actually see if the product is working or not. There is no lying with this machine only the truth.
Over the past 2 years HARD Nutition has tested the product R3 on a variety of athletes. The athletes range from bodybuilders,NFL,UFC,Runners and your workout warrior. The results have been stagering, on average our athletes workload capacity incraeses by 20% and down time has decreased by atleast 30%.
This is the real deal guys, no BS. Put this product to the test. If you are inetersted in trying it out email us at samples@hardnutrition.com and we will send out some samples. Please include your bb.com name. FYI it tastes great also.
The samples will only be available until this coming Sunday.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/hard/rev.html

http://www.omegawavesport.com/whatitdoes/index.html



FREE~SAMPLES^^^^

[EMISGOD]

All I am saying is I can understand their defensiveness.. especially when you've got a thousand people stamping on something you believe in.

I can't. The nature of this Forum is to question. They could have answered the questions and really got a leg up for their company. Instead, they elected to insult the questioners, one of which was me and in fact, I specifically stated NOTHING derogatory about the product itself.

As it is, even though I find the behavior of their reps to be distasteful to the point of being odious, I will still probably buy the product and try it (though it is a long way between now and December and if I see this type of ill behavior from them again, I might elect to refuse to support, in any way, a company that has such individuals as its representatives), as I think there is a definite lack of solid post-workout recovery products right now... you can never really have too many good choices there.

[gunslinger0901]

Come on peeps, give these guys a break, what did they ever do other than give out a few samples to deserve all this bashing.

He deserves it cause he didnt handle opinions and objections like a true representative or professional, instead he came back at replys with comments a hurt 12 year old would make, I still haven't seen a post on how this is ANY more beneficial than all the other hundreds of products there are out there with either the same ingredient profile of more than that. All trueathlete can say is "your stupid, do some more research" and any other child like response you can think of. This guy has too hot of a head to be representing any company at all. He's screwing up potential customers because he'd rather be lazy and make a quick response rather than giving people the information theyre looking for

[EMISGOD]

Come on peeps, give these guys a break, what did they ever do other than give out a few samples to deserve all this bashing.


Acted like complete asshats.

They should have limited their commentary to the product/samples.


Good luck to you as well my friend. Do me a favor and read the origianal thread. This is a free thing, so I was not trying to hear negative crap. I never bashed any one and if you have trouble with true hard facts then I must be an jerk as you say.

I am now adding lying to the list, AB...

[SS_Trunks]

Looks pretty good, wish it was a month worth.

[gunslinger0901]

You know I was thinking about trying this product untill I read all 3 pages of trueathlete being such a dick coming at people like that when they didnt even bash it that bad. Trueathlete has his head so far up this companies butt hes claiming like he knows everything and everyone is wrong but him. I give props to EMISGOD when he told him the difference of being a good rep and a bad on and he is the worst I've seen. I will never order anything from this company based on trueathlete's posts. Oh yea by the way, Rashad Evans blows, Tito was the only good fighter he ever fought and it was a draw other then that hes a lay and pray artist.

x2

[trueathlete]

I can't. The nature of this Forum is to question. They could have answered the questions and really got a leg up for their company. Instead, they elected to insult the questioners, one of which was me and in fact, I specifically stated NOTHING derogatory about the product itself.

As it is, even though I find the behavior of their reps to be distasteful to the point of being odious, I will still probably buy the product and try it (though it is a long way between now and December and if I see this type of ill behavior from them again, I might elect to refuse to support, in any way, a company that has such individuals as its representatives), as I think there is a definite lack of solid post-workout recovery products right now... you can never really have too many good choices there.

I want to apoligize to you and only you. I went back and read through your posts and I will admit that you were the only one I responded negatively to that did not deserve it. I am a man and I was wrong with you. I should have not responded negatively to you. But as far as the others I did respond to did deserve the truth I told. So sorry to you I was caught up in the heat of the moment. Please understand that I am competitive and sometimes loose my composer on people like you who did not deserve it.

[gunslinger0901]

trueathlete cant handle opinions and objections like a true representative or professional, instead he came back at replys with comments a hurt 12 year old would make, I still haven't seen a post on how this is ANY more beneficial than all the other hundreds of products there are out there with either the same ingredient profile of more than that. All trueathlete can say is "your stupid, do some more research" and any other child like response you can think of. This guy has too hot of a head to be representing any company at all. He's screwing up potential customers because he'd rather be lazy and make a quick response rather than giving people the information theyre looking for

[gunslinger0901]

I want to apoligize to you and only you. I went back and read through your posts and I will admit that you were the only one I responded negatively to that did not deserve it. I am a man and I was wrong with you. I should have not responded negatively to you. But as far as the others I did respond to did deserve the truth I told. So sorry to you I was caught up in the heat of the moment. Please understand that I am competitive and sometimes loose my composer on people like you who did not deserve it.

PLEASE TAKE A BASIC ENGLISH COURSE MEATHEAD!

[trueathlete]

trueathlete cant handle opinions and objections like a true representative or professional, instead he came back at replys with comments a hurt 12 year old would make, I still haven't seen a post on how this is ANY more beneficial than all the other hundreds of products there are out there with either the same ingredient profile of more than that. All trueathlete can say is "your stupid, do some more research" and any other child like response you can think of. This guy has too hot of a head to be representing any company at all. He's screwing up potential customers because he'd rather be lazy and make a quick response rather than giving people the information theyre looking for

There is a reason you are in red. If you want to try out a sample and then state the facts please do.

[EMISGOD]

I want to apoligize to you and only you. I went back and read through your posts and I will admit that you were the only one I responded negatively to that did not deserve it. I am a man and I was wrong with you. I should have not responded negatively to you. But as far as the others I did respond to did deserve the truth I told. So sorry to you I was caught up in the heat of the moment. Please understand that I am competitive and sometimes loose my composer on people like you who did not deserve it.

I accept your apology, however, seriously, man, I was trying to help you and your company. I don't know if you are a good company or not or if the products are good, but if you don't get a handle on how you conduct yourself, I won't be the only one never to find out...

Adversity is something you will face, friend and you won't always be able to get mad at it and insult it away, particularly here.

For good examples of reps, check out Mr. Aries (USP Labs) or dvsness (Prolab) or pu12en12g (Controlled Labs) or Controlled Labs (Controlled Labs) or the entire Designer Supplements team or the entire Athletic Edge team or the Xtreme Formulations/Myonova/Black Star Labs team. All of them are extremely knowledgeable, handle negativity extremely well and never lose sight of promoting their products...there are others also, of course, but these are the ones that come immediately to mind at this hour...

[gunslinger0901]

There is a reason you are in red. If you want to try out a sample and then state the facts please do.

Im in the red cause I have my own opinions and ass*oles like you cant handle that

[gunslinger0901]

There is a reason you are in red. If you want to try out a sample and then state the facts please do.

How would trying a sample of your lame ass product change my opinion of YOU? My comments are regarding YOU and your attitude, not your product... idiot

[trueathlete]

I accept your apology, however, seriously, man, I was trying to help you and your company. I don't know if you are a good company or not or if the products are good, but if you don't get a handle on how you conduct yourself, I won't be the only one never to find out...

Adversity is something you will face, friend and you won't always be able to get mad at it and insult it away, particularly here.

For good examples of reps, check out Mr. Aries (USP Labs) or dvsness (Prolab) or pu12en12g (Controlled Labs) or Controlled Labs (Controlled Labs) or the entire Designer Supplements team or the entire Athletic Edge team or the Xtreme Formulations/Myonova/Black Star Labs team. All of them are extremely knowledgeable, handle negativity extremely well and never lose sight of promoting their products...there are others also, of course, but these are the ones that come immediately to mind at this hour...

Hey I will always be me. I am firery and at times over the top. But the thing I can not stand is people who come to these forums and bring there negativty with them. I will learn from this and I appreciate your advice. Like I stated before I will always speak the truth and in this matter I was wrong by coming at you negative. THNX

[EMISGOD]

Hey I will always be me. I am firery and at times over the top. But the thing I can not stand is people who come to these forums and bring there negativty with them. I will learn from this and I appreciate your advice. Like I stated before I will always speak the truth and in this matter I was wrong by coming at you negative. THNX

On that note, I suggest that starting right now, you let it go and let the products speak for themselves.

Get the thread back on track into pushing what might be a very promising line...

:)

[trueathlete]

On that note, I suggest that starting right now, you let it go and let the products speak for themselves.

Get the thread back on track into pushing what might be a very promising line...

:)

Agreed!!

[trueathlete]

Ok guys enough fun for one night. I apoligize to anyone who took the things I said wrong. I am very passionate about the things we are doing at HARD Nutrition and can not stand people who are negative with no grounds to be. I ask if you want to give your opinion then please do it with out bashing products you have never tried. That is why I am offering free samples. Tell me what you think after you try them. I can handle the truth just not speculation on things you have never even tried, especially when you can them for FREE!!

[Free Weight Friedel]

I'd like a free sample of the trip to the Olympia you're giving away!!:D

BTW, I love your Quick Cleanse X!!

[trueathlete]

I'd like a free sample of the trip to the Olympia you're giving away!!:D

BTW, I love your Quick Cleanse X!!

I will see if we have any free samples left for the olympia. Glad to hear you like the product.

[gunslinger0901]

Ok guys enough fun for one night. I apoligize to anyone who took the things I said wrong. I am very passionate about the things we are doing at HARD Nutrition and ca not stand people who are negative with no grounds to be. I ask if you want to give your opinion then please do it with out bashing products you have never tried. That is why I am offering free samples. Tell me what you think after you try them. I can handle the truth just not speculation on things you have never even tried, especially when you can them for FREE!!

I accept your apology just please be sure to proof read and take an english class, thanks bud

[trueathlete]

I accept your apology just please be sure to proof read and take an english class, thanks bud

I am a football player not a scholar.LOL

[teenage_guru]

if we are to take the phrase company representative literally, Hard Nutrition has lost a lot of respect from me personally... i do not think any of us (board members/POSSIBLE CUSTOMERS) have appreciated the way in which you (true athlete) went about defending your product when it came under scrutiny...

your individual attacks towards fellow members was not only inappropriate considering your position as a messenger/representive, but also frankly rude and clearly shows you lack the maturity to be a company rep...

not only does this product seem completly underdosed (mainly in reference to their 'power amino blend', but also overpriced considering your suggestion of 3 serves a day...

i think Hard Nutrition needs to consider re-formulating the product and also taking more time in future determining who will successfully represent their company on a popular board with a lot of potential customers...whilst i commend you on offering free samples to anyone interested, your presentation, and handling of the situation was poor to say the least...

[Slaughterm]

Email sent

[trueathlete]

if we are to take the phrase company representative literally, Hard Nutrition has lost a lot of respect from me personally... i do not think any of us (board members/POSSIBLE CUSTOMERS) have appreciated the way in which you (true athlete) went about defending your product when it came under scrutiny...

your individual attacks towards fellow members was not only inappropriate considering your position as a messenger/representive, but also frankly rude and clearly shows you lack the maturity to be a company rep...

not only does this product seem completly underdosed (mainly in reference to their 'power amino blend', but also overpriced considering your suggestion of 3 serves a day...

i think Hard Nutrition needs to consider re-formulating the product and also taking more time in future determining who will successfully represent their company on a popular board with a lot of potential customers...whilst i commend you on offering free samples to anyone interested, your presentation, and handling of the situation was poor to say the least...


Thanks for your opinion. But in all honesty at 16 I would be more worried about my diet and training then worrying about supplements. Trust me when I say this at your age you will actually do more harm then good by taking unnecesary products you don't need.

[teenage_guru]

doesnt look to fancy to me... i would have thought their Power Amino Blend seems a little redundant considering there are 20 different ingredients in the prop blend however it only constitutes as a whole 1g...

In all honesty, it seems a little surpassed by Torrent and Replenish...

just to let you guys know, i was NEGGED by trueathlete for this statement...

i quote from the neg in user CP " Mr Uneducated, sharpen your game!!"

EDIT: thankyou for a positive reply to my last post... i still am dissapointed you negged me mate...

[trueathlete]

Ok guys enough fun for one night. I apoligize to anyone who took the things I said wrong. I am very passionate about the things we are doing at HARD Nutrition and can not stand people who are negative with no grounds to be. I ask if you want to give your opinion then please do it with out bashing products you have never tried. That is why I am offering free samples. Tell me what you think after you try them. I can handle the truth just not speculation on things you have never even tried, especially when you can them for FREE!!

We are past that stuff. Please only comment if you want to try the product.

[trueathlete]

Email sent

Thanks you should recieve your sample in 2-4 weeks.

[TDE]

looks good

[trueathlete]

I want to thank all the people who submitted there request for a free sample of R3. We will process those by next week and should have your samples to you within 2-4 weeks.

[GeneGnomeX]

Best Source; Americans take more calcium than any people on earth, although it is generally from a single source, and yet we have the highest rate of osteoporosis and bone density problems. This is because we simply don't get the right forms of calcium or absorb it properly.


You seem confident here, this is far from a "simple" issue. More likely the lack of sunlight exposure/D production that is main cause.

Active D downregulates PPARgamma2 expression in bone marrow which promotes osteoblast differentiation over adipocyte proliferation. PPARgamma2 is upregulated in obesity and as you age, also stored D is less available to be converted to the active form the more fat you carry.

Calcium absorption is also downregulated in obesity and lack of activity, along with lack of D. Since calcium signaling is involved in energy homeostasis and its absorption is inhibited for a reason, primary goal should be losing fat if applicable, getting outside and active.

No amount of calcium is going to help if you don't fix the underlying problems first.

[GeneGnomeX]

Again you are another uneducated guy on the forums. I am a pro athlete and I will guarantee the athletes that we use take our products. But think what you may in time you will understand why I am pushing this line of products. I know one thing I am seperating myself from guys like you everyday. So please don't take HARD Nutrition supplements it allows the guys who actually understand the philosophy behind us to leave people as yourself behind.
Good luck with that PM me in a year and let me know what you think.


For a guy who is into Lacrosse I would think you might take Lacrosse Greats Gavin Prout and Gee Nash word, but again it amazes me how uneducated guys really are when it comes to supplements.

I've been taking flax based on Bond's experience but it hasn't done jack!

Anyway, I can relate to how frustrating the forum can be sometimes, but sometimes you have to step away from the computer before replying emotionally.

Since you seem to be confident in your knowledge and anyone who disagrees is a pleb what are your thoughts on the potential of IGF-1 inhibition by glutamine through potentiating plasma IL-6 production. Maybe there is a reason for glutamine decrease. You said you tested the product thoroughly on athletes so I assume you have plenty of data on net effect at least.


There are not many complete recovery products out on the market. R3 is the most complete blend of electrolytes,glutamine and amino acids you will find in a supplement. It has been developed by Russian technology called the "omega wave system". This technology has allowed HARD Nutrition staff to see inside an athletes body to actually see if the product is working or not. There is no lying with this machine only the truth.
Over the past 2 years HARD Nutition has tested the product R3 on a variety of athletes. The athletes range from bodybuilders,NFL,UFC,Runners and your workout warrior. The results have been stagering, on average our athletes workload capacity incraeses by 20% and down time has decreased by atleast 30%.
This is the real deal guys, no BS. Put this product to the test. If you are inetersted in trying it out email us at samples@hardnutrition.com and we will send out some samples. Please include your bb.com name. FYI it tastes great also.
The samples will only be available until this coming Sunday.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/hard/rev.html

http://www.omegawavesport.com/whatitdoes/index.html


In addition if you choose to bash me or my knowledge of this product then prepare to be educated on things you might not want to hear. If you have something good to say then please say it. But if you choose to challenge scienctifically proven products then understand if I tell you the truth on matters you might not want to hear. This is meant as a way for you guys to try a great product for FREE! So understand if I feel a little insulted when people make uneducated claims with no basis. Try the product then tell me what you think, if you like it great, if you don't then atleast you have some basis on why!!

Were the tests placebo controlled?

[Death From Above]

So I come back to a copy/pasted page of everything I already know with regards to ingredient composition.

And 3 more pages of HARD reps attacking forum members for questioning the validity of this supplement.


How can you use the "free supplement" thing as a scapegoat when in your INITIAL POST you threaten us as the consumers? I quote, "In addition if you choose to bash me or my knowledge of this product then prepare to be educated on things you might not want to hear."


Congratulations HARD nutrition on digging your own bb.com grave.

[extremenergy3]

I read almost every single post of this thread and am thoroughly entertained! I'll give HARD Nutrition (the company) another shot at being nicer, even under HARDships. Let's all have some self-control people! :D

[teenage_guru]

So I come back to a copy/pasted page of everything I already know with regards to ingredient composition.

And 3 more pages of HARD reps attacking forum members for questioning the validity of this supplement.


How can you use the "free supplement" thing as a scapegoat when in your INITIAL POST you threaten us as the consumers? I quote, "In addition if you choose to bash me or my knowledge of this product then prepare to be educated on things you might not want to hear."


Congratulations HARD nutrition on digging your own bb.com grave.

fantastic response mate... this is by far HN's worst day on the forums...i think whoever holds the cards in the HN heirarchy needs to seriously consider making a formal apology, and releasing those that serve no positive purpose

[evrim]

What they may not want to hear?? Was that the names of athletes who use your line? When you think about it, any brand marketing its products using their athletes names, should be looked at suspiciously in my opinion.
Now before you get mad think of this: Andre Agassi, before his retirement, he was the most popular tennis player on the tour, had more fans than Bjon Borg. He had recently changed to Adidas before retiring after years with Nike, which his name grew with. Not once Adidas nor Nike marketed itself using his name directly, all they did was posters but thats it. The same goes with almost all big & accepted brands. One should not need to say so and so are with us so we are good give us a try. Hope that makes sense, think of Muscletech, rather than their quality their discusting marketing ways are putting people off not even the prices.

[polgas]

email sent :)

[pa mma]

e-mail sent and i will certianly try this with an open mind...thanks again...anyword yet on the autographs????

[Anssi Manninen]

There his technology has allowed HARD Nutrition staff to see inside an athletes body to actually see if the product is working or not.

LOL

[ksujosh6]

email sent look forward to trying

[An Inconvenient Bro]

Sounds like you don't know any professionals then. Being a professional requires one to take care of his body through diet, training, and supplements. For a professional athlete to have "No idea" about supplements is just plain stupid. I would not considered them pro athletes if they don't have a knowledge on diet/nutrition/or supplements. Sounds like some amature lacrosse being played.

Jesus kind of hostile don't you think?

Anyway, I know a lot of professional athletes who don't have an intricate knowledge of supplements. They got there because of genetics and talent, not supps. I'm not saying they're imbeciles by any stretch but they simply don't have to know as much about supplements because their training / talent / and genetics more than make up for it. Hence they don't sit on message boards studying this stuff all day, yet are remarkably accomplished in their respective sports.

[An Inconvenient Bro]

i bet i can pee farther than ALL of you

I won a thumb wrestling tourney once

[Anssi Manninen]

Jesus kind of hostile don't you think?

Anyway, I know a lot of professional athletes who don't have an intricate knowledge of supplements. They got there because of genetics and talent, not supps.
And they have money to hire a supp expert, so they can concentrate on training.

[trueathlete]

Guys if you want a sample of the products then ask. This isn't a democracy, and no one ask for your negative inputs. Guys like you will ruin future companies from doing Free giveway's. I apoligized for yesterday and I am asking if you want sample then ask if not please take your comments to another thread.
Thanks

[Anssi Manninen]

Most complete recovery formula?! Well..

Glutamic Acid 3.5g **
Arginine 3g **
Glycine 2g **
Glutamine 1.5g **
Power Amino Blend 1g **
(L-Threonine, L-Valine, L-Methionine, L-Isoleucine, L-Phenylalanine, L-Histidine, L-Lysine, L-Arginine, L-Aspartic Acid, L-Serine, L-Glutamic Acid, L-Proline, L-Glycine, L-Alanine, L-Leucine, L-Tyrosine, L-Cysteine HCL)

It costs about 1 dollar to make that 1 lb jar.

[dirtydean12]

LOL


Most complete recovery formula?! Well..

Glutamic Acid 3.5g **
Arginine 3g **
Glycine 2g **
Glutamine 1.5g **
Power Amino Blend 1g **
(L-Threonine, L-Valine, L-Methionine, L-Isoleucine, L-Phenylalanine, L-Histidine, L-Lysine, L-Arginine, L-Aspartic Acid, L-Serine, L-Glutamic Acid, L-Proline, L-Glycine, L-Alanine, L-Leucine, L-Tyrosine, L-Cysteine HCL)

It costs about 1 dollar to make that 1 lb jar.

just wondering...whats your deal? i'm sure there are some flaws with MD we could point out...just saying, seems like too much negativity today. can't we all get along??

[MattyH7688]

Most complete recovery formula?! Well..

Glutamic Acid 3.5g **
Arginine 3g **
Glycine 2g **
Glutamine 1.5g **
Power Amino Blend 1g **
(L-Threonine, L-Valine, L-Methionine, L-Isoleucine, L-Phenylalanine, L-Histidine, L-Lysine, L-Arginine, L-Aspartic Acid, L-Serine, L-Glutamic Acid, L-Proline, L-Glycine, L-Alanine, L-Leucine, L-Tyrosine, L-Cysteine HCL)

It costs about 1 dollar to make that 1 lb jar.

and every other company sells their products at cost :rolleyes:

this is a business.. their price is competitive with the market.. i think its a good price on the product

[Anssi Manninen]

just wondering...whats your deal? i'm sure there are some flaws with MD we could point out...just saying, seems like too much negativity today. can't we all get along??

I wasnt too happy about trueathletes PMs. And his product indeed sucks. He claims his product is the most compelte recovery formula but its just contains some amino acids. Perhap it was the most complete 2000 y ago. The label claims are also false; 2 grams of carbs but no sugar.. BS. Those carbs are obviously coming from the fruit punch flavorings..

[An Inconvenient Bro]

Guys if you want a sample of the products then ask. This isn't a democracy, and no one ask for your negative inputs. Guys like you will ruin future companies from doing Free giveway's.

Wasn't being negative, just making a point about pro athletes which ---ironically--- was in response to your company owner's negative post :confused:

[Doughboy]

I wasnt too happy about trueathletes PMs. And his product indeed sucks. He claims his product is the most compelte recovery formula but its just contains some amino acids. Perhap it was the most complete 2000 y ago. The label claims are also false; 2 grams of carbs but no sugar.. BS. Those carbs are obviously coming from the fruit punch flavorings..

Good work.

[dirtydean12]

and every other company sells their products at cost :rolleyes:

this is a business.. their price is competitive with the market.. i think its a good price on the product

agreed

[SHOWTIME]

and every other company sells their products at cost :rolleyes:

this is a business.. their price is competitive with the market.. i think its a good price on the product

x2

[bignpisst]

looks good

[teenage_guru]

A few guys do take during the workout and have had good results. Here is how I take it: I am kind of addicted to it!!
1 serving in am
1 serving pre/during wk out
1 serving post workout


and every other company sells their products at cost :rolleyes:

this is a business.. their price is competitive with the market.. i think its a good price on the product

yes and no matty... if we are to follow trueathletes protocol for dosing... the attractiveness of the price begins to dimish... considering most would add a protein powder, and others adding Simple Carbs + Leucine/BCAA's... this could rise to anywhere above $3 for a PWO drink...

on the otherhand, you could purchase UN Torrent, OR DS Replenish and recieve all of this for well under $2.5...

whilst the product looks good on paper, i do not think it is as 'complete' as others...nor as competitive price-wise

[saku]

awosme email sent. Looks like a great product.

[DriverDan]

trueathlete, can you cite scientific studies that back your claims? I can see this being a decent AA product if you took many scoops of it since 1g is no where near enough. That kind of makes the price a bit outrageous though don't you think?

[trueathlete]

trueathlete, can you cite scientific studies that back your claims? I can see this being a decent AA product if you took many scoops of it since 1g is no where near enough. That kind of makes the price a bit outrageous though don't you think?

I take it up to 3x but that is because I am addicted to it. Also I have a rigourous training regimen between running,lifting, football and MMA I train on avearge 4-6 hours a day 10 months of the year. That is why I am confident these products work, there is no way I should be able to train like I have the last 2 years.
For 90% of the people you only need to take it 1-2 x daily depending how hard you train it. It comes with 30 servings so it should last you the entire month.
In adition we do have scientific studies to prove the claims I stated, it was done through a machine called the omega wave system. It is similar to an EKG set up takes about 5 minutes a day. I will see if I can get those studies and post them up sometime in near future.

[EMISGOD]

I take it up to 3x but that is because I am addicted to it.

I just looked through the profile again and didn't see any commonly addictive agents...which of the ingredients do you feel is causing chemical dependence? :confused:

[DriverDan]

I don't doubt your testing, the formula seems solid. However, from the research I've seen 1g of AA is severely underdosed. 1g may do something but doesn't appear to be anywhere near optimal.

[trueathlete]

I don't doubt your testing, the formula seems solid. However, from the research I've seen 1g of AA is severely underdosed. 1g may do something but doesn't appear to be anywhere near optimal.

I am not the product formulator or by any means an expert, but I can tell you it has helped me in my training especially my workload capacity and recovery.

[koi1214]

email sent

[Anssi Manninen]

In adition we do have scientific studies to prove the claims I stated, it was done through a machine called the omega wave system. It is similar to an EKG set up takes about 5 minutes a day. I will see if I can get those studies and post them up sometime in near future.

Real scientific studies are published in the peer-reviewed scientific journals.

[An Inconvenient Bro]

I just looked through the profile again and didn't see any commonly addictive agents...which of the ingredients do you feel is causing chemical dependence? :confused:

I don't know about chemical dependence but if I had me one of those nano-particulators with the flux capacitor attached to see inside my body I'd be addicted to using that thing

[SNACSystem]

I don't know about chemical dependence but if I had me one of those nano-particulators with the flux capacitor attached to see inside my body I'd be addicted to using that thing

LOL. Customizer always cracks me up. I love his reviews of his own products.. Thanks for the morning laugh.

[trueathlete]

HARD Nutrition would like to announce that the Train With The Pro's Contest has officially began as of 8/29/2007!!!

To enter to and win a chance to train with one of the following athletes click on one of the following links:
www.trainwiththepros.net
www.hardnutrition.com

NFL:
Joseph Addai (Indianapolis Colts)
Brandon Stokley (Denver Broncos)

UFC:
Rashad Evans
Kieth Jardine

Bodybuilding:
Heather Armbrust (IFBB)

Special Guest:
Jamie Eason (fitness model)


The contest will be held on April 25 and 26 2008 in Denver Colorado. The results will be announced in mid March. We at HARD Nutrition are very excited to be able to bring some of biggest names in all the sports world together and offer a chance to the public to train with one of your favorite athletes. Good Luck to everyone and I hope you guys enjoy this opportunity.
__________________
HARD Nutrition Athlete

[GeneGnomeX]

Special Guest:
Jamie Eason (fitness model)


I think if you put that in a thread title you would get much more attention ;)

[DriverDan]

Special Guest:
Jamie Eason (fitness model)

http://i.xanga.com/LiL_kisSes/homer-drool.gif

[EMISGOD]

I don't know about chemical dependence but if I had me one of those nano-particulators with the flux capacitor attached to see inside my body I'd be addicted to using that thing

You can borrow mine. It's right next to the particle accelerator.

[DinoT1985]

To all:

I would hope in the future, personal insults are NOT part of your posts.

What happened to acting your age?

Especially when you represent a company.

x2. Theres way too many posts getting personal recently regarding Hard Nutrition.

[gountilfailure0]

well suggesting u take it twice daily is just suggesting it and its a good product ..good price just try it for urself and come to ur own conclusion

[Slaughterm]

Got my samples the other day, can't wait to try them out! BTW thanks for the whey samples and water bottle too!