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wodie
03-06-2005, 05:28 PM
I am saying this because it seems to be the only supplement that really works for everyone but there is effects with it. If i could get some would it be worth it?

What are some benefits that yall have had with it?

What else should i stack with it because its not a etrogen blocker right or not right?

What side effects have yall had with it?

sbbm3
03-07-2005, 11:50 AM
As most would say "do a search"
but ya, I havent had much experience with it, but from the research Ive done, the biggest side effecs are limp dick and lethargy, so to counter those you should stack it with some 4ad. The benefits of it include strength and mass increase, because it converts to 1test in the body. Its said that its not liver toxic, but I would take mjilk thistle with it if I were you just to be safe. And it is supposed to be resistant to aromatizing into estrogen, but Im sure it can still happen, and that is why most people would reccomend that you follow your cycle with 6oxo.

Hope that helped.

FeedFest
03-07-2005, 11:59 AM
take 1-AD/4-AD stack at a 2:3 ratio
gains are good, but balls may shrink and sex drive will bottom out
this rebounds in post cycle therapy if you do it right

theguyfrompa
03-07-2005, 12:15 PM
i'm not trying to be a smart ass but is it really worth it to have your balls shrink and have no sex drive just to get a little bit bigger?

Derek6621
03-08-2005, 09:27 AM
Bottom line with proper PCT......yes

PowerSwede
03-08-2005, 09:39 AM
No, steroid induced gains will go away once the stimulus that made them is gone.

Your body always tries to go back to normal, excess muscle volume is not desirable (for your body) so if you remove the stimulus the body will remove the muscle mass you gained on the cycle. It works the same way with all stimulus, including training itself, if you stop doing it, you will lose what you gained.

This can take weeks, months, years but eventually it will all be gone.

FeedFest
03-08-2005, 12:07 PM
No, steroid induced gains will go away once the stimulus that made them is gone.

Your body always tries to go back to normal, excess muscle volume is not desirable (for your body) so if you remove the stimulus the body will remove the muscle mass you gained on the cycle. It works the same way with all stimulus, including training itself, if you stop doing it, you will lose what you gained.

This can take weeks, months, years but eventually it will all be gone.

Swede, I have seen a lot of your posts and you are very knowledgable.
I disagree with this comment however. You will lose some, not all of your gains provided you take the proper steps during pct.
Boosting calories, adding CEE type product and the nolva/clomid combo (either or) allow someone who works hard enough to keep some of their gains.
Long term they might come off, but this is due as you said to things such as stopping training.

Furthermore, suggesting that all prohormone gains come off is akin to saying that once you do a prohormone, you cannot gain naturally again since you will inevitably be losing weight. I am living proof that this is not true (whatever that is worth right lol)

PowerSwede
03-08-2005, 01:52 PM
Swede, I have seen a lot of your posts and you are very knowledgable.
I disagree with this comment however. You will lose some, not all of your gains provided you take the proper steps during pct.
Boosting calories, adding CEE type product and the nolva/clomid combo (either or) allow someone who works hard enough to keep some of their gains.
Long term they might come off, but this is due as you said to things such as stopping training.

Furthermore, suggesting that all prohormone gains come off is akin to saying that once you do a prohormone, you cannot gain naturally again since you will inevitably be losing weight. I am living proof that this is not true (whatever that is worth right lol)

I understand that it is hard to take but it is still true, all gains made on steroids (and that includes prohormones HCG and any artificially aided gains you make) will be lost.

I am living proof that it IS true, a decade ago i was caught and banned because of steroid use, i stopped using steroids, now i am back at the same weight i was at in 95, it took me about 10 years to get to ground zero, i didn't lose it all at once, but if i had kept it i would weigh a lot more today.

What i am saying is not that you will lose it if you stop training (well, you would, but that is so obvious), i am saying that taking steroids will induce stimulus that will build muscle, much like training does, and just as with training, if you stop the stimulus (ie, stop using steroids) your body will return to normal.

Delo
03-09-2005, 12:01 PM
Side effects i really noticed even with the 4ad on week 5 was my Prick was as limp as could be

HotDoc
03-09-2005, 02:13 PM
From a girl perspective and sensitivity 1-AD definitely does work to some capacity. Good strength gains and pumps...which causes damage and inflammation...so if I am not totally off that would lead to some maintainable muscle gain to some extent...

Not to mention sex drive through the roof and genitaila growth while on only...some bloating too though.

armz_ha
03-11-2005, 02:46 PM
Side effects i really noticed even with the 4ad on week 5 was my Prick was as limp as could be
is it all better now?