View Full Version : finished with oly lifting
JustinStephan89
08-16-2007, 11:20 AM
I decided after todays workout that im not cut out for olympic lifting and Im just gonna power lift . I have been racking up alot of little injuries and im not making progress almost atall . Im kinda dissapointed but my heart wasnt really in it. Ive been missing my beloved bench press and technique free workouts.Sooooo now im on to a 400-300-500 total at 148 ASAP.
J.L.C.
08-16-2007, 12:32 PM
At 18 years old, you could train for 6 years and only be 24........
How long have you been trying it? Are you on your own, or do you have a coach or some experienced lifters around?
I'm 30 years old only been at it for 8 months, I think with enough time I can be reasonably competitive. Not the olympics or anything, but enough to have fun.
It takes a lot of patience, hard work, and dedication to make progress - especially without the help of a coach.
Sorry to hear you didn't like it.
Bodysteele
08-16-2007, 01:38 PM
Maybe you just werent physiologically suited for it...
What is your vertical jump?
You need superior explosiveness to be a competitive OL....with powerlifting it seems like its just desire, repetition and proper leverages...plus obviously good muscle density I guess.
Just my take.
Kiknskreem
08-16-2007, 01:45 PM
Maybe you just werent physiologically suited for it...
What is your vertical jump?
You need superior explosiveness to be a competitive OL....with powerlifting it seems like its just desire, repetition and proper leverages...plus obviously good muscle density I guess.
That is a very ignorant sounding statement. As if there were some ethereal quality that powerlifting lacks...
Speed strength vs Limit strength. End of story.
Bodysteele
08-16-2007, 01:51 PM
That is a very ignorant statement.
Speed strength vs Limit strength.
What are you yammering on about slowtwitch?
Look, physiologically it is rarer to find someone who can ever achieve a 40 inch vertical than someone who can EVENTUALLY squat 700lbs with a 4 inch ROM and superduty squat spring suit and 3 feet spread on their legs.
We all know this...there is no debate.
It may change given SOME breakthroughs in depth jumping and advanced plyometrics but for the most part someone isnt going to just go from a 25 inch vertical to a 40+ inch vertical as a fully grown adult...while many people can go from squatting say 200lbs to 500 or 600lbs if they set their mind to it.
Bodysteele
08-16-2007, 01:58 PM
That is a very ignorant sounding statement. As if there were some ethereal quality that powerlifting lacks...
Speed strength vs Limit strength. End of story.
...Yeah actual standards, a fixed ROM and limitation on equipment usage....
Im not sure how ethereal it is but it certainly grants more respect to OLy
Lifting and the numbers Oly lifters hoist.
Remember, this is SPECIFICALLY the OLY lifting forum.
Kiknskreem
08-16-2007, 02:29 PM
What are you yammering on about slowtwitch?
Look, physiologically it is rarer to find someone who can ever achieve a 40 inch vertical than someone who can EVENTUALLY squat 700lbs with a 4 inch ROM and superduty squat spring suit and 3 feet spread on their legs.
We all know this...there is no debate.
My point is simply that powerlifters work just as hard as olympic lifters. By the way, there is pleeenty of raw lifting and feds enforcing the rules of performance out there. You just have to open your eyes to it.
PS, I like your attempts at nicknames. I can only assume you call me 'slowtwitch' because you are looking at my stats, what I am repping vs the listed 1RM's?
Well, if you weren't such a tard you would notice the 1RM's are official lifts from my last meet, in March. You are comparing present gym lifts to 5 month old competition lifts. If you want to see what some "slow twitch" can do, you can come to both the National meets I'll be lifting in in '08.
Not that you should be harping on anybody, y'know... until you at least start squatting and deadlifting your bodyweight.
Newbtime
08-16-2007, 02:37 PM
What are you yammering on about slowtwitch?
Look, physiologically it is rarer to find someone who can ever achieve a 40 inch vertical than someone who can EVENTUALLY squat 700lbs with a 4 inch ROM and superduty squat spring suit and 3 feet spread on their legs.
We all know this...there is no debate.
It may change given SOME breakthroughs in depth jumping and advanced plyometrics but for the most part someone isnt going to just go from a 25 inch vertical to a 40+ inch vertical as a fully grown adult...while many people can go from squatting say 200lbs to 500 or 600lbs if they set their mind to it.
you can develop strength, you can develop size and you can develop speed.
some people will put on size/strength/speed better then others, that doesn't mean you cant develop them... i have no idea how you developed this horrid opinion but it doesn't make any sense...
when i was in track and played soccer we trained to develop speed and endurance... that training was no different then training for strength which i currently do..
people can go from squatting 200 to 600 if they put their mind to it, people can go from weighing 120 lbs @ 8% bf to 200 lbs to 8% bf, people can go from verting 30 to 40 if they put there mind to it...
magicman531
08-16-2007, 11:17 PM
Yeah, it's best to quit something when it starts to get tough. That's what champions do.
crupiea
08-17-2007, 08:25 AM
You should stick it out and step back and take a look at your training and technique. Get some books or videos or something to help you out and stay with it. It's a great sport and lots of fun and very rewarding. Besides, who is going to start all the new threads now? Your putting alot of pressure on the rest of us.
Ibanez
08-17-2007, 09:57 AM
Up to you. If you figured this isn't what you want fine. Quitting isn't bad per say, knowing when to quit something is a very important.
JustinStephan89
08-17-2007, 12:18 PM
Last time I had my vertical tested it was 29 inches after doing a set of squats atg with 205x20 (this was about 1 1/2 years ago) . Im very explosive but I think I might lack the athletic ability to really do well at this type of lifting.
How long have you been lifting...
Bodysteele
08-17-2007, 04:20 PM
Last time I had my vertical tested it was 29 inches after doing a set of squats atg with 205x20 (this was about 1 1/2 years ago) . Im very explosive but I think I might lack the athletic ability to really do well at this type of lifting.
Im not sure that qualifies as VERY explosive if you are in good shape and have been weight training and doing some sports your entire life.
Certainly isnt that shabby either...pretty decent.
Which skill do you think you are lacking?
Flexibility would probably be mine, coordination and balance are also huge in OLY lifting.
raffiki
08-17-2007, 05:05 PM
What he is lacking is patience and discipline.
magicman531
08-17-2007, 06:33 PM
Well just to point it out... A 20 rep squat set doesn't exactly measure explosiveness. That's more endurance there. Explosive would be squatting a max weight or near maximal, well, explosively!
Bodysteele
08-17-2007, 11:55 PM
What he is lacking is patience and discipline.
You get reps for the SIG.
I need a tshirt with that on it to wear to my sad ass excuse for a Globo-Gym.
What he is lacking is patience and discipline.
Indeed.
He made so many threads, too.
JustinStephan89
08-18-2007, 05:23 PM
Ok I guess in reality I shouldnt just give up but I really need to buy a competition bar and some good bumpers and some chalk before I can train with 110% intensity. Right now im lifting in my pole barn which is always like 90 degrees or more sometimes and im using a bent powerlifting bar because I broke my two 28mm bars . I can never truely progress on the lifts because catching the clean has to be perfect with such a drastic groove this among other things has aggrevated me so much that Im gonna give it a break for a while and start up maybe in around december when I have some money so I can get set up with proper weights.
Have you tried looking for oly weightlifting clubs in your area? I'm sure if you found one near you and emailed the coach of the team, or the owner of the gym, whatever, they'd be happy to accomodate you.
scott_donald
08-20-2007, 01:07 AM
What he is lacking is patience and discipline.
agreed... look at me i am starting from scratch...
its both frustrating and fun...
raffiki
08-20-2007, 11:36 AM
Ok I guess in reality I shouldnt just give up but I really need to buy a competition bar and some good bumpers and some chalk before I can train with 110% intensity. Right now im lifting in my pole barn which is always like 90 degrees or more sometimes and im using a bent powerlifting bar because I broke my two 28mm bars . I can never truely progress on the lifts because catching the clean has to be perfect with such a drastic groove this among other things has aggrevated me so much that Im gonna give it a break for a while and start up maybe in around december when I have some money so I can get set up with proper weights.
I disagree. First there is no reason to train heavy when you are learning. 50-60% intensity is about right. Also I have been lifting with a bent bar that is thicker than a competition bar for about 4 months. I have been making progress. If you work on your positioning and the bottom position of the clean and snatch until december, then you will be about ready to use heavy weights.
PrivateBaldrick
08-20-2007, 01:29 PM
you can develop strength, you can develop size and you can develop speed.
some people will put on size/strength/speed better then others, that doesn't mean you cant develop them... i have no idea how you developed this horrid opinion but it doesn't make any sense...
when i was in track and played soccer we trained to develop speed and endurance... that training was no different then training for strength which i currently do..
people can go from squatting 200 to 600 if they put their mind to it, people can go from weighing 120 lbs @ 8% bf to 200 lbs to 8% bf, people can go from verting 30 to 40 if they put there mind to it...
That about sums it up.