Best Overall Nitric Oxide (NO) Product?

[stevothedevo]

whiteblood seems to be doing it's job well for me
And what 'job' do you believe it actually does. It is pretty dear for something you seem pretty vague about.

[pantydropper]

And what 'job' do you believe it actually does. It is pretty dear for something you seem pretty vague about.
making my veins pop out, that's all I expect from any NO product

[stevothedevo]

NO cannot make your veins pop out - there is absolutely no research at all to support this contention.

Also, why not spend on products that help you grow muscle instead?

[pantydropper]

NO cannot make your veins pop out - there is absolutely no research at all to support this contention.

Also, why not spend on products that help you grow muscle instead?
when I cycle off it, my veins barely pop out anymore, obviously it's causing this.

I'm also on the Green Bulge / White Blood stack

[Matt Daniels]

Just wondering but what do all you people think about the people that say NO products are **** an dont work...I dont think No Xplode really works (yes ive had it) Its basically just an assload(literally sometimes,lol,you guys know what im talking about) of caffeine

[diablo4]

So if u guys had the money to spend wat would u buy superpump 250 or no xplode?

[pantydropper]

So if u guys had the money to spend wat would u buy superpump 250 or no xplode?
no xplode is a waste, I'd say whiteblood

[stevothedevo]

when I cycle off it, my veins barely pop out anymore, obviously it's causing this.

I'm also on the Green Bulge / White Blood stack


Sorry, you cannot be right - show me ANY evidence to the contrary, any at all.......

Arginine blood flow stimulators ("nitric-oxide" or "NO2" supplements) have been shown to increase vasodilation, but only in unfed people receiving enormous doses through an IV.

• Oral arginine supplementation doesn't affect blood flow.

NO2 was shown to have no effect compared to a placebo on body composition or muscle strength.

• It's not possible for us to consume high enough levels of arginine to effectively increase nitric oxide levels.

• Copycat NO2 products are no better than the original supplement. In fact, those that contain glycocyamine should be avoided because of potential health concerns.

• If you think these products work for you, then you'd better look into the placebo effect.



These statements ARE backed up by science.

[WAYSOUTH]

no xplode is a waste, I'd say whiteblood


Amen to that.

[SSCobalt06]

Amen to that.

I say BS to that...NO X-Plode is fooking amazing...

[Rottluver]

I got to say that Super pump 250 gives my the craps real bad and makes me feel sick after a couple of hours. I started with the one scoop for the first three days and then went to two. Two screwed me all up. I am now taking one scoop and one scoop gives me a good amount of energy and a half way decent pump. I guess I just have a weak tummy. Thinking of trying another NO product after this one runs out. One that is better on my insides.
Had the same results when I first started taking NO-Xplode....went away after a couple weeks.........

[plummer1986]

I gotta say - every time that I've ever tryed to use No Xplode, it's made me sick to my stomach. I don't know what it is, but it's every time. My personal favorite is (unfortunatly) Fizogen's Blitz Cycle. I like it because there is an ample amount of Arginine Ethyl Ester, plus they include a 1 gram of Creatine Ethyl Ester too. It's way over priced, but if you can get some for cheap I'd do it. In terms of a cost effective nitric oxide product, I would go for straight up NOW or Higher Power AAKG (L-arginine-alpha-ketoglutarate.) I have used both and if you take slightly higher that recommended dose (around 3 teaspoons or so) pre workout most importantly along with morning and before bed, you get satisfactory results that are comparable to a MRI NO2 or Pinnacle NoX2 type product for much less.

[WAYSOUTH]

I just started using Six Star which dirt cheap from Wal-Mart. It's working great so far with the pumps etc.

[romajc]

Today I used white blood for the first time and felt absolutely nothing. So either you people are just imagining this stuff, it doesnt work the first time, or I am immune.

[pantydropper]

Today I used white blood for the first time and felt absolutely nothing. So either you people are just imagining this stuff, it doesnt work the first time, or I am immune.
takes about a week to notice

[WAYSOUTH]

takes about a week to notice


Yes, that's what I've heard. Give it time & report back!!

[stevothedevo]

Today I used white blood for the first time and felt absolutely nothing. So either you people are just imagining this stuff, it doesnt work the first time, or I am immune.


You are not imagining anything - it doesn't work, period.
Don't listen to the non-responders crap - there is no data to support any percentages on this 'fact.', people are just making up numbers as far as I can see.

There is no reason why this product needs more than one dose - there is no evidence whatsoever that loading is needed initially - that is more crap about why you are not getting an effect.

[affinityfalls]

The first time I took NO-Explode I freaked out. My legs were shaking on the bus ride to the gym - had the most intense workout of my life - nearly hurled on the way home. This only happened once however, this could just have been my body adjusting to the ridiculous ammounts of caffiene this product gives you.

I recently tried a scoop of MuscleTechs new product Gakic. Same results - had a really intense workout and a huge pump; my veins were popping out of my biceps. Now, I know there is a lot of anti-muscletech people on this forum but I can see this stuff working better than NO-Explode as it contains no caffiene and you get the same - if not better results. Damn expensive tho. Anyone else tried this stuff?

[HeroOfTheDay384]

The first time I took NO-Explode I freaked out. My legs were shaking on the bus ride to the gym - had the most intense workout of my life - nearly hurled on the way home. This only happened once however, this could just have been my body adjusting to the ridiculous ammounts of caffiene this product gives you.



I had the same effect. Five minutes after I took it for the first time...only one scoop...I was brushing my teeth at like 100 MPH. haha. I also had an intense workout. It was amazing. Now I don't get that hyped up but it still gives me a little boost.

[romajc]

i still get nothing from white blood

[X.Factor]

White Blood

[Rob170]

I have used one cycle of NO xplode and one cycle of V12 and i was not feeling the same way as with no xplode when i was on V12. So i say
NO xplode..... but today i went into Vitamain World and i was told that NO shotgun was a better NO. Has anyone used ( not sampled ) both products? I wanted to buy the NO shotgun but the price pushed me away. It takes me about 30 minutes to work up the balls to spend that much on the xplode.

[giorgakis02]

NO-Xplode was amazing the first 3 times i took it. But now i dont get that pump anymore that i did those 3 times. i even upped the dose and it still dont really do anything it just wakes me up thats about it.

[kid.A]

iv been using no-xplode for like a week now. started with one scoop and felt pretty good. 2 scoops gave me a really terrific pump feeling like my muscles would burst. but three scoops made me sick and had bad diahrea and crappy workout. i will stick with 2 scoops from now on. how would you guys compare no-xplode to a product called cytosport "fast twitch"? anyone who has tryed both please respond.

[jmill75]

For people who are stacking, I took back the MRI N02 and picked up Nitrix and Cellmass. I had bought a tub of Vytech muscle voluminizer a month or so ago, can I stack the Vytech Nitrix and Cellmass together. The Vytech already has some of the main ingredients from Nitrix and Cellmass for that matter. Just want to make sure this is OK.

[officer jarhead]

Had the same results when I first started taking NO-Xplode....went away after a couple weeks.........
It did go away, but I cut down the dosage to one full scoop. I don't get a big pump, I get the energy I need so I say it is a good overall product.

[Power_Lifter88]

Best overall No product would be NOS2 from BCSlabs, info:

Extreme NOS 2 is the first Nitric Oxide product to break ground with Kre-Alkalyn, which will change Nitric Oxide forever. Increased levels of Nitric Oxide (L-Arginine, AKG) stacked with creatines replacement, Kre-Alkalyn (10x more effective gram for gram), will deliver muscle strength and size beyond your imagination in just your 1st week, if taken as directed. Extreme NOS 2 showcases the most valued amino acids such as L- Citrulline, and L- Orthine. Extreme NOS 2 utilizes L- Citrulline for it's ability to recycle itself into Nitric Oxide for extended results!

These key amino acids promote increased and sustained levels of Nitric Oxide in the blood to help build muscle tissue and break down protein. When these key amino's acids are combined together at specific ratios with Nitric Oxide boosters and coupled with Kre-Alkalyn (10x more effective than creatine) you have a formula unleashes a one two punch. You owe it to yourself to see what everyone is talking about. Train with it and you will never train without it!

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bcs/nos.html

[stevothedevo]

Gains 'beyond your imagination in one week".....hope you guys got small imaginations. What a ridiculous claim. How many grams of dianabol does it have?

Claims like this are why there is so much sceptcism and cynicism surrounding supp companies.

Such shameless self promotion and, well, LIES, are why I and a lot of others are tending to go more to other BB sites.

[Dubs740]

I decided after checking out the market for a bit to go with the mass stack from BSN to see if I gain progress in my workouts. I'm stacking Nitrix,cellmass,no explode, and also truemass. I'm taking all of these as directed. This is my 2nd day taking the stack so i'll continue to report back with what I've encountered over taking these.

[Bigdolf]

the first one i used was pumptech, didn't like it. Then I got turned on to the bsn combo of nitrix and n.o. xplode. It's freaking amazing. I'm using two scoops of the xplode and 12 nitrix caps a day and the pumps I get are amazing. Not to mention that I stay harder for sex...that's an added bonus.

[stevothedevo]

the first one i used was pumptech, didn't like it. Then I got turned on to the bsn combo of nitrix and n.o. xplode. It's freaking amazing. I'm using two scoops of the xplode and 12 nitrix caps a day and the pumps I get are amazing. Not to mention that I stay harder for sex...that's an added bonus.



If repetition is a sign of brainlessness then this thread has a negative IQ.
Wow ....... how many pages now of the same old same old "it gives me a pump."

Let's just clarify:
(1) THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT NO CAUSES VASODIALATION.

(2) EVEN IF BY SOME MIRACLE IT DID, WHO CARES, WHAT LEAN BODY MASS DOES IT GAIN, AND WHAT SANE PERSON WOULD PAY MONEY TO GET A PUMP - APART FROM A GYM MEMBERSHIP?

PLEASE READ AND UNDERSTAND:

" ...The second study of interest evaluated the effects of NO2 on body composition, muscle strength and endurance (8). For eight weeks, subjects took either 12 grams of NO2 or placebo and underwent a resistance training protocol. At the end of the time period, subjects between groups had no differences in either muscle mass or body fat percentage. "



"one study compared infusions and oral dosing. The researchers found that six grams of arginine had no effect via either route of administration, while it took a 30 gram infusion to cause vasodilation (6). So, it takes a 30 gram IV dose to get results. If we were to get these results from an oral dose, we’d have to take 43 grams because only 70% of it is bioavailable "

so firstly it doesn't work and secondly it's not possible for us to consume high enough levels of arginine to effectively increase nitric oxide levels.





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[Bigdolf]

If repetition is a sign of brainlessness then this thread has a negative IQ.
Wow ....... how many pages now of the same old same old "it gives me a pump."

Let's just clarify:
(1) THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT NO CAUSES VASODIALATION.

(2) EVEN IF BY SOME MIRACLE IT DID, WHO CARES, WHAT LEAN BODY MASS DOES IT GAIN, AND WHAT SANE PERSON WOULD PAY MONEY TO GET A PUMP - APART FROM A GYM MEMBERSHIP?

PLEASE READ AND UNDERSTAND:

" ...The second study of interest evaluated the effects of NO2 on body composition, muscle strength and endurance (8). For eight weeks, subjects took either 12 grams of NO2 or placebo and underwent a resistance training protocol. At the end of the time period, subjects between groups had no differences in either muscle mass or body fat percentage. "



"one study compared infusions and oral dosing. The researchers found that six grams of arginine had no effect via either route of administration, while it took a 30 gram infusion to cause vasodilation (6). So, it takes a 30 gram IV dose to get results. If we were to get these results from an oral dose, we’d have to take 43 grams because only 70% of it is bioavailable "

so firstly it doesn't work and secondly it's not possible for us to consume high enough levels of arginine to effectively increase nitric oxide levels.





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just give it up man no one on this thread cares that this stuff doesn't work. I've been lifting for 13 years and I know when my body acts differentally to something and when it doesn't. All I know is that my muscles stay fuller way after I have finished my last set. Even on days when I carb deplete I stay and look fuller, my muscles don't flaten out so for me that is worth the money.

[huamei]

I was on NOXplode for 3 tubs. It was a great product for me... Made good gains but towards 1/2 way thru tubs I wouldn't feel it like I initially did. I still got some pumps and had raised energy levels. The product maybe is designed to work better stacked with nitrix I dunno. I have now tried SuperPump 250 with only one scoop so far and I definitely have crazy pumps off it. I defintely want to see how I will be affected after I finish the tub in relation to gains and if I adjust to it fast like I did NOXplode. I would have to say there is no "best" but either of these two products gets my vote for a top product. Anyone that has complained of gas side affects I would slowly increase serving sizes starting from 1 scoop. I have had small gas feelings, light headed, upset stomach on BOTH. Mostly I feel due to improper nutrition preworkout and too much taken in during inital adjustments. If you haven't tried either product I would try SuperPump first. The taste if a little different. NOX is funnier tasting as in no matter which flavor it has "gas like" mixture ie: mix it in a bottle and it will expand... Horrible explanation I know!!

[<josh>]

i dont really feel much from my no xplode and nitrix.
you can get the mass stack from bsn for $89 on supplementnet.net.

[Mark_8]

BSN NoXplode is my first choice :)

[stevothedevo]

just give it up man no one on this thread cares that this stuff doesn't work. .


LMAO - that's exactly what cracks me up. It is like the flat earth society here - people keep on paying for this crap and using it even though there is no science at all to support it.

How come I have challenged this thread on many occasions to come up with even ONE piece of evidence that NO works and NOBODY has EVER responded with any research or science at all.........says a lot doesn't it!

[Bigdolf]

LMAO - that's exactly what cracks me up. It is like the flat earth society here - people keep on paying for this crap and using it even though there is no science at all to support it.

How come I have challenged this thread on many occasions to come up with even ONE piece of evidence that NO works and NOBODY has EVER responded with any research or science at all.........says a lot doesn't it!
once again I know what works for me. I don't care if it's just in my brain, if my body responds to something then I'm happy. Most of these people are also happy with there products. xplode gives me great energy, that's worth the money alone. I don't mind spending money on something as long as it works for me. If these products work for me I'll continue to buy them. If you want to talk science go to the supplement scienc thread maybe you can find someone in there with all the evidence in the world.

[Mick535]

LMAO - that's exactly what cracks me up. It is like the flat earth society here - people keep on paying for this crap and using it even though there is no science at all to support it.

How come I have challenged this thread on many occasions to come up with even ONE piece of evidence that NO works and NOBODY has EVER responded with any research or science at all.........says a lot doesn't it!

Just remember when you are listening to this "expert" that he is only like 15 years old. NO products are not a necessary evil, but they make you feel good and help with getting you going during workouts. I used Superpump 250 for a month and really liked it. I am using NO Shotgun right now and its pretty good.

[stevothedevo]

Just remember when you are listening to this "expert" that he is only like 15 years old. NO products are not a necessary evil, but they make you feel good and help with getting you going during workouts. I used Superpump 250 for a month and really liked it. I am using NO Shotgun right now and its pretty good.


Your guess of my age is as 'factual' as your knowledge of supplements. I'm 42 actually and a mod on another BB site and consider myself pretty up to date on supps.

Yor post is so flimsy as is your defense of NO. The best you can do is, "I really liked it...' and "its(sic) pretty good." WOW - the science and precision is almost as awesome as your age guessing skills.

Also on your behalf I apologise to any 15 year olds on this site - a lot of kids here are pretty dedicated and knowledgeable. Yet another case of this person casting generalised aspersions.

[Bigdolf]

Your guess of my age is as 'factual' as your knowledge of supplements. I'm 42 actually and a mod on another BB site and consider myself pretty up to date on supps.

Yor post is so flimsy as is your defense of NO. The best you can do is, "I really liked it...' and "its(sic) pretty good." WOW - the science and precision is almost as awesome as your age guessing skills.

Also on your behalf I apologise to any 15 year olds on this site - a lot of kids here are pretty dedicated and knowledgeable. Yet another case of this person casting generalised aspersions.
Do you not realize that nobody on this thread cares what you have to say. Go back to your "other" bb website and speak your mind there. I myself have noticed effects with NO sups, and judging by the numerous posts on this thread so do other people. Why are you so concerned with NO sups at your elevated age you should be worried about test. boosters. But, as with all things NO your probably a genius when it comes to test. boosters.

[stevothedevo]

Do you not realize that nobody on this thread cares what you have to say. Go back to your "other" bb website and speak your mind there. I myself have noticed effects with NO sups, and judging by the numerous posts on this thread so do other people. Why are you so concerned with NO sups at your elevated age you should be worried about test. boosters. But, as with all things NO your probably a genius when it comes to test. boosters.



Look up the meaning of generalisation - you keep making them..."NOBODY on this thread cares...etc"

I became interested in NO when I saw a thread of 30-40 pages on a supp with no evidence that it can actually work.
Just trying to help people who might be sucked in to the hype to save money.
Do you remember the hype about liquid creatine, ecdysterone and methoxy - supp companies raved and literally said ecdy was better than dianabol! Users reported amazing results...until it was shown to be completely useless and funnily enough the supporters who got all these 'gains' were conspicuous in their silence.

Also, rather than worring about my advancing age and attempting sarcasm re test boosters why not do something productive in defence of your favorite supp - it should be easy... as I said earlier, just find ONE piece of evidence that NO works! Just google it - it should take less than a minute of your time if it exists. I will eat humble pie and admit I was wrong and that I am a moron in this public forum if you can.

[Bigdolf]

Look up the meaning of generalisation - you keep making them..."NOBODY on this thread cares...etc"

I became interested in NO when I saw a thread of 30-40 pages on a supp with no evidence that it can actually work.
Just trying to help people who might be sucked in to the hype to save money.
Do you remember the hype about liquid creatine, ecdysterone and methoxy - supp companies raved and literally said ecdy was better than dianabol! Users reported amazing results...until it was shown to be completely useless and funnily enough the supporters who got all these 'gains' were conspicuous in their silence.

Also, rather than worring about my advancing age and attempting sarcasm re test boosters why not do something productive in defence of your favorite supp - it should be easy... as I said earlier, just find ONE piece of evidence that NO works! Just google it - it should take less than a minute of your time if it exists. I will eat humble pie and admit I was wrong and that I am a moron in this public forum if you can.
I wouldn't say NO products are my FAVORITE sup, hell, your probably right, maybe its just the caffenine in these preworkout sups. It does't really matter I just like arguing with other people. As for favorite sups all I really ever used was protein powders and mrp's, but I chimed in with my opinion about NO. You are right about one thing, people have always used sups that don't work since the supplement industry first started.

[stevothedevo]

I wouldn't say NO products are my FAVORITE sup, hell, your probably right, maybe its just the caffenine in these preworkout sups. It does't really matter I just like arguing with other people. As for favorite sups all I really ever used was protein powders and mrp's, but I chimed in with my opinion about NO. You are right about one thing, people have always used sups that don't work since the supplement industry first started.


LOL - no problem, bro - I like a good argument too. Sometinmes it is a bit hard around this site to have one without getting negged to oblivion by morons, so I thank you for being more mature than that.
Agree to disagree of course and each to his own....
Cheers.

[Bigdolf]

LOL - no problem, bro - I like a good argument too. Sometinmes it is a bit hard around this site to have one without getting negged to oblivion by morons, so I thank you for being more mature than that.
Agree to disagree of course and each to his own....
Cheers.
its not just this site its bbing in general. When someone talks about "your" supp its like they're talking about your kids. Everyone always wants some miracle supp, but other than the juice it doesn't exist. Everytime I'm in the gym and someone asks "how did you get so big, or strong" i tell them "its all about what you eat. Eat for size and strength" But everyone wants the easy quick fix. Your lucky you don't live in this country, we got pills for everything. Well, its late as hell and I gotta go.

[Cerberus6969]

I was on NOXplode for 3 tubs. It was a great product for me... Made good gains but towards 1/2 way thru tubs I wouldn't feel it like I initially did. I still got some pumps and had raised energy levels. The product maybe is designed to work better stacked with nitrix I dunno. I have now tried SuperPump 250 with only one scoop so far and I definitely have crazy pumps off it. I defintely want to see how I will be affected after I finish the tub in relation to gains and if I adjust to it fast like I did NOXplode. I would have to say there is no "best" but either of these two products gets my vote for a top product. Anyone that has complained of gas side affects I would slowly increase serving sizes starting from 1 scoop. I have had small gas feelings, light headed, upset stomach on BOTH. Mostly I feel due to improper nutrition preworkout and too much taken in during inital adjustments. If you haven't tried either product I would try SuperPump first. The taste if a little different. NOX is funnier tasting as in no matter which flavor it has "gas like" mixture ie: mix it in a bottle and it will expand... Horrible explanation I know!!


I would have to agree. I took my first scoop today, and its f**king amazing how much this stuff amps you up. I was in the gym for over 2hrs today, and I wasnt tired afterwards. I think if I took 2 scoops it would probably drive me over the edge, so for now Im sticking to just 1 scoop. I am totally impressed with this stuff so far. My pumps were good, not breathtaking. However, I dont think any NO products work on me incredibly as far as pumps go. I liked the orange flavor also. I would recommend it for anyone wanting a stimulant, that gives you good, but not great pumps.

[Mick535]

There are 2 kinds of NO supps out there. There's the NO infused pre-workout supp and then there's the straight NO2 type supp. I've used both extensively. I can tell you that neither is a necessity, but I love them just the same. I didn't use them for awhile after I tried NO2, but hten I started on Nitrix and then I used NO Explode and then Superpump 250, White Blood, AEX, and now NO Shotgun. I can tell you one thing about all of them. They helped in the most important way. NO products help me get through tough workouts even when I thought walking in the gym, "Man, I don't want to workout today!" To me, I don't care about all the other stuff. Nutrient uptake and vasodialation. I have gotten pumps from some of these products and some I haven't. AEX is still the best for pumps to me, White Blood I got almost nothing out of except for some good boners, and Superpump 250 has been the best pre-workout supp I have ever taken. I even tried NOS Ether pills from Get Diesel, but didn't really get anything out of them. The best pills to me have been AEX and Nitrix. No-Explode was good for the first 2 weeks, but then I got used to it.

[Bigdolf]

I feel the same way about NO products. I get energy from whatever the hell is in them and that's all that matters.

[jim-bizzle]

which is better animal pump or no shotgnun

[Overun]

Ive used Xyience Xno and Pinnacle Xno2, The xyience product gave me extreme energy, increased stamina, increase in lifting and some major boners. As for the pinnacle, i didnt like it at all, i found the energy wasnt there, my focus was lacking, and the pumps couldnt compare to the xyience. Im gona be using Nitrix next.

[Androgenic]

Cialis

[bassan]

i used before nitrous and it was good and save but the problem it works for short time.
i prefer to take something as noz supercharger with diablo or vortic or animal pump which have little pit of everything instead wasting my time mixing tons of supplement.
best reagrds
bye

[RRamal]

thank you for your posts Stevothedevo, you are obviously very informed on this subject. I was seriously considering purchasing a NO product but as a result of the information you have provided I'm not going to get suckered into it.

[Sedd]

The energy NO Xplode gave me was very intense. I used to drag myself out the gym cause I had other stuff to do!! I liked seeing the veins in my calves too. But like everyone else, my body got used to it. I don't really care to take it anymore though. Too pricey, but good as far as getting through workouts.

[Mick535]

thank you for your posts Stevothedevo, you are obviously very informed on this subject. I was seriously considering purchasing a NO product but as a result of the information you have provided I'm not going to get suckered into it.

The thing you are getting suckered into is this guys rhetoric. Look at his posting history. All he writes about is the same thing. I don't see this guy posting about his personal experience with these supplements or his lifting history and what worked for him. There are tons, thousands of reviews and other logs posted in this forum that show that lifters get something out of NO products. Are they essential? No, by all means no. Do they provide something extra? Yes. I've been lifting for over 20 years and I have tried a lot of stuff, but I have also lifted without any supplements at all for extended periods of time due to my military service. I was not feeling the placebo effect every time I've used NO products. Like I've said, I've used a lot of different products, but they haven't all worked the same way. that's why this forum is here, so we can see what has worked for others. Just because this guy read an article from T-Nation a couple years ago, doesn't mean he knows everything. Good argument, but to say everyone is feeling the placebo effect from these products is idiotic. Just my 2 cents.

[BUM76]

..and a ephedra tablet mixed is a great preworkout combo..if you can tollerate ephedrine

[Overun]

No Products do provide benefit. I recently purchased another bottle of xyience xno, i had been using pinnacle no2 previously, and man did i have a intense workout My lifting weight was up about 10-20 pounds on every exercise, i got more reps out then normal, and my endurance was phenominal, not to mention the fact that my body looked great, as no2, keeps your mucles pumped even after your workout. I was doing construction this morning, this is abot 10 hours after a chest/ab workout, and i felt completly recourperated. Personally i feel if you can get those results, the ability to lift more, last longer and recouperate faster, the product is well worth while. Let me remind you this product is simply to promote lean muscle groth, im going to begin a 4 week cycle of creatine stitching to no2, after that hoping to gain some mass.

[jboorom]

BSN NO-Xplode it works.

[stevothedevo]

The thing you are getting suckered into is this guys rhetoric. Look at his posting history. All he writes about is the same thing. I don't see this guy posting about his personal experience with these supplements or his lifting history and what worked for him. There are tons, thousands of reviews and other logs posted in this forum that show that lifters get something out of NO products. Are they essential? No, by all means no. Do they provide something extra? Yes. I've been lifting for over 20 years and I have tried a lot of stuff, but I have also lifted without any supplements at all for extended periods of time due to my military service. I was not feeling the placebo effect every time I've used NO products. Like I've said, I've used a lot of different products, but they haven't all worked the same way. that's why this forum is here, so we can see what has worked for others. Just because this guy read an article from T-Nation a couple years ago, doesn't mean he knows everything. Good argument, but to say everyone is feeling the placebo effect from these products is idiotic. Just my 2 cents.


LMAO - this coming from a guy who takes glycerol monostearate - want a few facts about this too?

It is a non ionic surfacant, a FAT, used in cosmetics and ice cream. Did you know it also contains ARSENIC and HEAVY METALS?????

http://www.greatvistachemicals.com/surfactants_and_oleochemicals/glycerol_monostearate.html



Why on earth would anyone with any concern for personal health and longevity, more or less a bodybuilder want to put this in their mouths?

If you want credibility, Mick, don't recommend useless, dangerous products.

BTW I post about many things, but back to your points on NO.

The product you recommend, xyience XNO contains A-AKG. Let me tell you about A-AKG


"The theory is that alpha ketoglutarate (AKG) somehow makes this supplement "work." Okay, that’s cool, let’s see what science has to say.
....Unfortunately for the company, blood arginine levels were nearly all quite similar, and at times 30% lower, in the time-release trial compared to the pure arginine trial! The reason for the lower levels of the former group remains elusive, but could be due to a decreased absorption by the gut, an increased uptake by tissues, or a half dozen other fates for arginine (see 4). Not surprisingly, there was nothing resembling a "time release" effect.

The second study of interest evaluated the effects of NO2 on body composition, muscle strength and endurance (8). For eight weeks, subjects took either 12 grams of NO2 or placebo and underwent a resistance training protocol. At the end of the time period, subjects between groups had no differences in either muscle mass or body fat percentage.

The positive benefits of oral arginine supplementation can only be achieved through doses higher than the human body can handle. And most (but not all) of this effect is mediated by insulin. So if you want to have blood flow increases equivalent to a huge IV arginine infusion, just manipulate insulin through other means."


There are 35 scientific papers attesting to the above.


As far asy history and what I find works - well it is really beyond this threads relevance but VERY briefly - I'm 42, a former Australian junior 400m champion and been lifting over 26 years. I'm 198lbs, flat bench 319lbs and train a 6 way split. I take around TWENTY different supps, so am certainly not anti - supp, just anti crap supps. My favorites are:

Excellent diet
proper sleep
Spot on training regime

MY "ESSENTIAL" SUPPS:

Whey isolate
CEE
Multi vitamin and mineral
fish oil
green tea
Grape seed extract
DHEA (recall I'm 42)
R- ALA
Acetyl l-carnitine

I take others but thats the main few.

[BUM76]

[QUOTE=MY "ESSENTIAL" SUPPS:

Whey isolate
CEE
Multi vitamin and mineral
fish oil
green tea
Grape seed extract
DHEA (recall I'm 42)
R- ALA
Acetyl l-carnitine

I take others but thats the main few.[/QUOTE]

cee-- that is creatine ethly ester right...i just started that too and i am happy with the pumps it provides...

[Overun]

Ive been training with a body builder recently, and inorder to maxamize the gains from the nitros oxide you really need to up ur calorie intake, make sure at least 40% of ur diet are carbs. I take 3-4 protein shakes per day one 30 mins prior to workout, another after, 1 before i sleep, and usually one before lunch. Just like with any product, you need proper diet. Prior to recieving this advice, i had seen noticable gainst in strength and endurance, however i wasnt putn on any weight, Its simple, to gain mass you need the fuel. Nitros oxide allows you to push youself harder longer, wihch means your gona need more cals and protein to rebuild.

[stevothedevo]

Ive been training with a body builder recently, and inorder to maxamize the gains from the nitros oxide you really need to up ur calorie intake, make sure at least 40% of ur diet are carbs. I take 3-4 protein shakes per day one 30 mins prior to workout, another after, 1 before i sleep, and usually one before lunch. Just like with any product, you need proper diet. Prior to recieving this advice, i had seen noticable gainst in strength and endurance, however i wasnt putn on any weight, Its simple, to gain mass you need the fuel. Nitros oxide allows you to push youself harder longer, wihch means your gona need more cals and protein to rebuild.


Just a simple question please.
Can you educate me in how NO allows you to push youself harder longer?

Can you also tell me the correlation between increased protein intake and and NO intake - how are they related? How do you KNOW that NO put on the weight and not the protein, bearing in mind that there is no evidence at all - even from companies that produce NO - that it can in any way increase lean body mass? Do you know something that they don't?

[kaz555]

Today I used white blood for the first time and felt absolutely nothing. So either you people are just imagining this stuff, it doesnt work the first time, or I am immune.

i used green bulge and didnt get crap, and i am a super responder to everytime i consume

[Overun]

"Just a simple question please.
Can you educate me in how NO allows you to push youself harder longer?

Can you also tell me the correlation between increased protein intake and and NO intake - how are they related? How do you KNOW that NO put on the weight and not the protein, bearing in mind that there is no evidence at all - even from companies that produce NO - that it can in any way increase lean body mass? Do you know something that they don't?"



N02 gives me an energy boost, i have more endurance i have the ability to get more reps in per set at heavier weights. Im not here to educate, im here to post my experience with NO2. Just like when you try to educate your son or daughter about things, they do them anyways, so personally i feel that the best way to educate is by experiencing something yourself, not posting statistics and facts. No did not put on the weight , the protein did, but because i had the no2 in my system i was able to achieve a better workout, riping/shocking my muscle fibers more. No2 does increase blood flow and nutrient transport. I dont know why your on here attacking me, im giving you MY REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE with n02.

[stevothedevo]

"Just a simple question please.
Can you educate me in how NO allows you to push youself harder longer?

Can you also tell me the correlation between increased protein intake and and NO intake - how are they related? How do you KNOW that NO put on the weight and not the protein, bearing in mind that there is no evidence at all - even from companies that produce NO - that it can in any way increase lean body mass? Do you know something that they don't?"



N02 gives me an energy boost, i have more endurance i have the ability to get more reps in per set at heavier weights. Im not here to educate, im here to post my experience with NO2. Just like when you try to educate your son or daughter about things, they do them anyways, so personally i feel that the best way to educate is by experiencing something yourself, not posting statistics and facts. No did not put on the weight , the protein did, but because i had the no2 in my system i was able to achieve a better workout, riping/shocking my muscle fibers more. No2 does increase blood flow and nutrient transport. I dont know why your on here attacking me, im giving you MY REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE with n02.


Sorry you took offence, I am certainly not attacking you but accept my apologies anyway.

You say NO does increase blood flow........well OK, I'll post some evidence that it doesn't, have you any evidence that it does. If so, please post and I'll gladly admit my error.

""In fact, one study compared infusions and oral dosing. The researchers found that six grams of arginine had no effect via either route of administration, while it took a 30 gram infusion to cause vasodilation (6). So, it takes a 30 gram IV dose to get results. If we were to get these results from an oral dose, we’d have to take 43 grams because only 70% of it is bioavailable...I

f you think that this lack of effect is an isolated incident, other studies investigating high oral doses of arginine and NO induced blood flow have shown no effect when 21 grams (7 g 3x/d) were used (1). Two additional studies where 20 grams per day were taken for 28 days also showed no effects (11,12).

11. Chin-Dusting JP, Alexander CT, Arnold PJ, Hodgson WC, Lux AS, Jennings GL. Effects of in vivo and in vitro -arginine supplementation on healthy human vessels. J. Cardiovasc. Pharmacol. 28 (1996), pp. 158—166

12. Chin-Dusting JP, Kaye DM, Lefkovits J, Wong J, Bergin P, Jennings GL. Dietary supplementation with -arginine fails to restore endothelial function in forearm resistance arteries in patients with severe heart failure. J. Am. Coll. Cardiol. 27 (1996), pp. 1207—1213

[Overun]

Ok these studies do adress the overall effectivness of arginine, however just as in any study, results can be minipulated based on many factors. I explained in my 1st post that in order to reciece maximum results from No2 Products you need to take them exactley as stated in the instructions. Yesterday insted of taking it on an empty stomach i had some food, and i felt like it didnt kick in until at least an hour later as it took longer to absorb. Another issue with these scentific results is that they seem to adress theeffects of arginine however the way the supplement influences the body has alot to do with the supporting ingridients which comprise the delivery system. Try different no2 prodcuts and you will get varied levels of effects due to this. The experiences i have posted before about pumps, increased blood flow strengh and endurance, they only occured with xyience xno and bsn nitrix so far. When using gakic and pinnacle no2, i felt as if i was simply taking a placebo. Once again i understand that you deserve some merit and i respect your knowledge when it comes to the scientific credibility of supplementation, which i know little about, however i can only comment on what ive experienced.

[krikuletz]

I was reading everybody's opinion but i didn't get anything about cytosport...just a bit .
I just checked this site in which they are giving us an opinion in how to use their products...but onestly to say ..i don't know if it's cool.

I tried something..but i think that is shieeeet. I just started to go to a gym after a long pause ( 23 years old not fat only tone ) and i was happy to go back and i bought Whey Proteine from Prolab and Kre-Alkalyn creatine...and i mixed them up..not too much coz i'm still at the beginning...I scoop of proteine even if is saying that u can take 2...per day and 2 tablets of Kre-Alkalyn...and after 1-2weeks of doing that...i got some thing with my heart...
It hurt me from time to time...that impresion that something is presing on it.
I stopped taking for a couple of days...i'm not having those simptoms anymore...but do u guys know what it might be ?

I was thinking to try to take them separately...like ..protein until that bottle ends...and so on...and something else...not longer ago i bought a BCAA aminoacids from MultiVitamin,i bought it from a guy that makes professional Sport...now..i know that i'm dummy..but can u advise me something about these products ?
Thanks in advance.

http://www.cytosport.com/Obsession.aspx?ObsessionID=2

[krikuletz]

Hey Stevothedevo ,

I'm just having some questions ...i'm not really good ..or let's say having a good mood now (i'm at work ) to make some research for those products that u said ur taking.

I would much appreciate if u would explain me a bit of what each product is doing to u and why did u chose them.Hope that u will have the time to reply.

[krikuletz]

Hey Stevothedevo

Another question now:) i'm full of questions !
1.How much green tea are u taking/day as there's to many different information above the amount that we have to take.
2.Are u checking ur levels regulary as no one should take DHEA except under the supervision of a physician, who should routinely check steroid and cholesterol levels, glucose tolerance, and prostate health in men," says John Nestle, MD, professor of endocrinology and metabolism at Virginia Commonwealth University, who studies DHEA's effects on diabetes and blood clotting.
3.The fish oil are u taking it on a daily basis as i heard that it contains Omega-3 and Vitamin A as well which if is in bigger quantities might leed to death.
Whey isolate is a great product...i recommend that to everybody as it helping the immunity,reducing LDL collesterol ,reducing the risk of colesterol..so that i will recommend as well.
4.I don't know to much about that CEE but i'll hope u'll help me with that ...
5.Will it be to many anti-oxidants if ur taking daily green tea and Grape seed extract as well ? ...
That's all for now...I'm heading home...

[BUM76]

Like say Ronnie Coleman...and do supplenets in general work differently in peple who juice ?

[1BigChris]

psh....Nitric Oxide just makes me yak into the toilet for 15 minutes. justa waste if you want my MHO

[Rottluver]

psh....Nitric Oxide just makes me yak into the toilet for 15 minutes. justa waste if you want my MHO
Not everyone reacts the same way to the same things........sounds like you are hyper-sensitive to stimulants.

[luckster1]

Gakic gave me measureable strength gains and aided in my endurance (no heavy breathing or lethargy during workouts). But, I never got that patented pump and blown out veins. Bottom line, I got the strength and endurance but no external vascularity. I reccomond Gakic.

Pumptech: the first thing i noticed was a roadmap of vascularity. it seemed everyone noticed em. I also felt that patented NO pump all day. I also got the same strength gains and endurance as gakic. however, after a small bottle of pumptech, the effects began to fade. hell, i had to double the reccomonded dosages to get the initial feeling. Bottom line, pumptech by muscletech is only effective short term--two weeks.

I'm currently trying Nitrix by BSN. I finished my first day. i'll keep you posted.


Conclusion: my experiments show that routine daily intake of nitric oxide more than once a day weakens the overall effects. in addition, routine daily intake of no more than once a day leads to profounder pumps and vascularity throughout the day. Thus it would seem logical that an athlete concerned with physical progression would want to limit his intake of nitic oxide to before his workouts. Keep in mind that my data is still limited--hence, my conclusion may be flawed.

[stevothedevo]

Hey Stevothedevo

Another question now:) i'm full of questions !
1.How much green tea are u taking/day as there's to many different information above the amount that we have to take.
2.Are u checking ur levels regulary as no one should take DHEA except under the supervision of a physician, who should routinely check steroid and cholesterol levels, glucose tolerance, and prostate health in men," says John Nestle, MD, professor of endocrinology and metabolism at Virginia Commonwealth University, who studies DHEA's effects on diabetes and blood clotting.
3.The fish oil are u taking it on a daily basis as i heard that it contains Omega-3 and Vitamin A as well which if is in bigger quantities might leed to death.
Whey isolate is a great product...i recommend that to everybody as it helping the immunity,reducing LDL collesterol ,reducing the risk of colesterol..so that i will recommend as well.
4.I don't know to much about that CEE but i'll hope u'll help me with that ...
5.Will it be to many anti-oxidants if ur taking daily green tea and Grape seed extract as well ? ...
That's all for now...I'm heading home...


Awwwwwwwwwwwwww crap, I'm a slow typist and you ask a lot!! I'll make a start. Sorry 'bout the late reply - report writing time at school.

1. Green Tea: There is great data on its antioxidant properties and very little real data on its benefit as a thermogenic weight loss agent. I take 500mg 3 times a day. The link is to the best site I have EVER found on supps - it is lengthy but just read the sub headings for the info you want. The 'research summary;' section is about all you'll need to read - don't let the volume of info put you off - it is pretty readable. I take WAY over usual dosageas I'll explain when i move to DHEA info.

http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/gre_0319.shtml


2. DHEA - Getting blood tests is important as you point out - it is prohibited in Australia and over the counter in USA so there's very different views on it's effects and dangers.
I am a type 2 diabetic - genetic -as I've never been overweight and am a sprinter. Hence I tend to take an abundance of antioxidants as diabetics really need them to eliminate free radicals more than normal people. DHEA levels are often lower in diabetics and there is some evidence that it is also a plus for diabetes too.

There is MUCH controversy about it's use for fat loss, muscle gain or anti aging. The ridiculous thing is that it is banned in AUST as an anabolic/androgenic yet even a niovice bbuilder knows it is a crap supplement for either purpose! Our customs and drug authorities are basically very ignorant.
http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/dhe_0094.shtml

3. Fish Oil: Even in medical sites there is no mention of adverse effects relating to vitamin A - my assumption, and that is all it is, is that it contains too little Vit A. I take it for anti - inflam, cadiovascular and cholestorerol care as indicated in the link.
http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/fis_0106.shtml
4.CEE is just an ethyl ester of creatine - still a bit of controversy about its effectiveness compared to normal creatine - I'll admit I'm not sure which I found worked better for me - but both certainly work I found.
http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/cre_0086.shtml
5 Grapeseed: Wellllll, yes I overkill the anti oxidants a LOT. I also take n acetyl cystine and alpha lipoic acid every day.
Personally I think they all operate differently and all have different mechanisms of action and organs they assist more. To me it is an anti ageing strategy for my cells and immunity system. My family (5 of them!) have all had about 3 bad colds in the last 18 months and I also teach at a school of 1200 students yet remain cold free in this time. When they had really rotten flu symptoms I had a bit of a blocked nose for a week or so and that was as far as it went.
Obviously it is an assumption but I credit the antioxidants , to me they are vital for life. As a Bbuilder too you put a lot of stress on your body which can lower immunity so we need them even more.

I hope that helps and excuse my reliance on links - but I never take credit for another person's findings and they sum it up so well.

[MOOSE25]

How is No Shotgun? I read an article about it it sounds like a good product. Super Pump 250 is awsome though Ive been using it for a few months and it makes me wan't to Koolaid through the walls at the gym.

[krikuletz]

Thanks for ur links,i'll have a look on them to associate with that i have...
Regarding the Vitamin A : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_oil will say more about the overdose of Vitamin A.Now I'm not taking anything,just having some time for my body to feel free ( just Centrum multyvitamin ).I recently bought Kre-Alkalyn and i will try it until ends.Do u know somthing about Prolab products(like Prolab Whey Proteine )?i'll check my self but just wanted to see if u had that in the past !
Now something else ..are u taking n acetyl cystine to avoid renal problems,tumours,lung problems ? and alpha lipoic acid a strong anti-oxidant.Now u said that for u it's vital to have many anti-oxidants due to ur Diabetic 2 type,but how would i know my type ?or if it would be ok to take these anti-oxidants...Are u taking these supl for a long time ?when did u start taking anti-oxidants
thanks

[stevothedevo]

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, more typing......lol


Sorry can't help you regarding Prolab.


NAC is an excellent antioxidant for the liver, being medically used to counter paracetemol (acetominophin) overdose. As I take a lot of supps i like a liver tonic and alternate taking milk thistle.
I've actually read that NAC is bad for people with kidney problems..

Cysteine also helps synthesize glutathione, one of the body’s most important natural detoxifiers. N-acetyl-cysteine is the acetylated form of L-cysteine, which is more efficiently absorbed and used.Last sentence from: http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00215.html


As far as I'm aware, these supps are pretty good for nearly all of us, but naturally some people may have som condtition meaning they shouldn't take certain things. I've been taking thenm for 4 years or so and can't see any reason not to continue.

[krikuletz]

It's coolif there's no side effects,but i think that u should check ur levels from time to time.
I will start taking Grapeseed,tea,fish oil,isolate proteine and that will be for the moment...then i will probably go further with more thinks.
I will contact a farmacist or a doctor to see something about the rest of supl but what supl are u taking in general ..could u mention what supl u are taking (i've seen some of them,but the rest ? ) ,i saw ur replys and after a bit of research i found that same thing...otherwise said..i think that what ur taking is quite good for everybody and i want to get in the circle.

[krikuletz]

No u said that ur taking milk thistle,but u alternate.Do u mean that ur taking 60 capsules of NAC and then milk thistle ?
I heard that milk thistle might tend to some impotency if reacts with some others substances.How are u taking them ?

[stevothedevo]

No u said that ur taking milk thistle,but u alternate.Do u mean that ur taking 60 capsules of NAC and then milk thistle ?
I heard that milk thistle might tend to some impotency if reacts with some others substances.How are u taking them ?


I buy milk thistle and when that runs out I take NAC then vice versa - not at the same time.

I also take (with a very brief explanation why):

Chromium picolinate (for diabetes and there is limited support for fat burning properties)

DMAE - brain food/nootrropic, anti aging
Vinpocetine - nootropic


Acetyl l carnitine: used with r - alpha lipoic acid i cannot rave enough about.
There is solid science supporting its anti aging properties and neuro protective functions, also slows mental decline.

The biggest source of free radicals in your body are your cellular "power plants," the mitochondria. They are both the origin, and the target, of most of the free radical damage in the body.

• As we age, our mitochondria become less and less efficient "power plants," generating less and less energy while creating more and more free radicals.

• The "lipoic acid" in common supplements is a 50/50 mixture of two different "lipoic acid" molecules: the natural R(+)-lipoic acid, and the unnatural S(-)-form. This mixture is called the "racemate."

• R(+)-lipoic acid, in animal experiments and in test-tube studies, makes mitochondria more efficient, so that they produce more energy and create fewer free radicals. S(-)-lipoic acid does not have these effects.

• These benefits have a real impact on the organism. Animals undergoing a simulated heart attack recover heart function more rapidly when infused with R(+)-lipoic acid; S(-)-lipoic acid has no effect.

• Old animals supplemented with lipoic acid look better and are more active. S(-)-lipoic acid does not have these effects.

• Acetyl-L-Carnitine (ALCAR) also boosts mitochondrial energy production. However, it does not make the mitochondria run more efficiently.

• As a result, old animals supplemented with ALCAR create more energy, and are more active, in the short term, but they suffer even more free radical damage.

• Animals supplemented with both ALCAR and R(+)-lipoic acid get the benefits of ALCAR without the increase in free radical stress. S(-)-lipoic acid does not have these effects.

• Common "lipoic acid" supplements are thus like a house at war with itself. The S(-)-form should be removed from supplements in favor of pure R(+)-lipoic acid.
http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/ace_0013.shtml

http://www.p o w e r supplements.com/?articleID=74 (Especially read this one!!! Take out the spaces to use the link)

ginko biloba:Numerous studies of ginkgo have been done for a variety of conditions. Some promising results have been seen for Alzheimer's disease/dementia, intermittent claudication, and tinnitus among others, but larger, well-designed research studies are needed.
Some smaller studies for memory enhancement have had promising results, but a trial sponsored by the National Institute on Aging of more than 200 healthy adults over age 60 found that ginkgo taken for 6 weeks did not improve memory.1
NCCAM is conducting a large clinical trial of ginkgo with more than 3,000 volunteers. The aim is to see if the herb prevents the onset of dementia and, specifically, Alzheimer's disease; slows cognitive decline and functional disability (for example, inability to prepare meals); reduces the incidence of cardiovascular disease; and decreases the rate of premature death.
Ginkgo is also being studied by NCCAM for asthma, symptoms of multiple sclerosis, vascular function (intermittent claudication), cognitive decline, sexual dysfunction due to antidepressants, and insulin resistance. NCCAM is also looking at potential interactions between ginkgo and prescription drugs.


policosanol:Policosanol may be indicated for reducing cholesterol levels. There is preliminary evidence that it can reduce platelet aggregation in both healthy and hypercholesterolemic individuals and that it may be of benefit in individuals with intermittent claudication. Reports that it can boost energy and enhance sexual performance are anecdotal.



red yeast rice: As potent as lovastatin, a pharmaceutical for lowering cholesterol

[krikuletz]

Thanks,i'll check all the information and sites that i have on the weekend and get a conclusion.Now i will have to ask u just one more thing,how would it be a week for u ! What suppl are u taking daily and in what dose ?
Thanks in advance.

[stevothedevo]

Thanks,i'll check all the information and sites that i have on the weekend and get a conclusion.Now i will have to ask u just one more thing,how would it be a week for u ! What suppl are u taking daily and in what dose ?
Thanks in advance.


OK - All doses as per morning doses

When I get up:

DMAE 350mg
DHEA 50mg
Green Tea 500mg
Policosanol 20mg
Alcar 500mg
R-ALA 200mg
Vanadyl Sulphate 10mg
Huperzine A 50mcg
Ginko 60mg
Celery Seed 750mg
Vinpocetine 10mg
Fenugreek 610mg
NAC 600mg
Chromium picolinate 500mcg
Fish Oil 1000mg
Taurine 1000mg
Whey Isolate Protein Shake
Creatine (I'm loading)

Multi which contains:
Vitamin A (as beta carotene) 10000IU 200
Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid) 300mg 500
Vitamin D (cholecalciferol) 200IU 50
Vitamin E (as d-alpha tocopherol acetate) 100IU 333
Vitamin K (phytonadione) 75mcg 94
Thiamin (as thiamin mononitrate) 30mg 2000
Riboflavin 30mg 1765
Niacin (as Niacinamide) 30mg 150
Vitamin B-6 (pyridoxine HCL) 30mg 1500
Folic Acid 400mcg 100
Vitamin B-12 (as cyanocobalamin) 30mcg 500
Biotin (as d-biotin) 250mcg 83
Pantothenic Acid (d-calcium pantothenate) 30mg 300
Calcium (as calcium citrate) 200mg 20
Iodine (as potassium oxide) 150mcg 100
Magnesium (as magnesium oxide) 200mg 25
Zinc (as zinc oxide) 25mg 167
Selenium (as amino acid chelate) 100mcg 143
Copper (as copper gluconate) 2000mcg 100
Manganese (as manganese carbonate) 5mg 250
Chromium (as amino acid chelate) 50mcg 42
Damiana Leaves Powder 70mg *
Korean Ginseng Root Powder 70mg *
Oat Bran 70mg *
Garlic Powder 50mg *
Saw Palmetto Berries Powder 50mg *
L-cysteine 50mg *
Nettle Leaf Powder 30mg *
Pumpkin Seed Meal 30mg *
Citrus Bioflavonoid Complex 25mg *
Soy Isoflavones Complex (2.5 ) 20mg *
Choline (as choline bitartrate) 10mg *
Inositol 10mg *
Para-aminobenzoic acid (PABA) 10mg *
Silica (as silicon dioxide) 10mg *
L-Methionine 10mg *
Alpha Lipoic Acid 5mg *
Boron (as amino acid chelate) 2mg *
Lutein 500mcg *
Lycopene 350mcg *



LUNCH:
Vinpocetine
Fish Oil
DMAE
Green Tea

PRE TRAINING LATE AFTERNOON:

Creatine
Whey
ALCAR
R-ALA
Taurine
DHEA

NIGHT
Whey
Fish Oil
DMAE
Vinpocetine
ALCAR
R-ALA
Grapeseed
Green Tea
COQ10 (occasionally as it is bloody dear)
RYR - only if I have COQ10 as RYR depletes natural COQ10 in the body.


I know...........thats a bloody lot of supps....... but here is a picture of me at 42 years old. I've added a fair few kilos of muscle since these photos


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i127/bizza_2006/7cc75658.jpg
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i127/bizza_2006/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa003.jpg

BTW - I must mention the celery seed - it is so cheap yet is an amazing anti inflammatory, excellent for blood pressure and is also a diuretic.

[krikuletz]

Thanks for having the time to explain me...and i really have to say that ur taking a lot of suppl and that at the first sight it made me scared:) not to interact between and make something bad and for an overdose.
But i believe that ur taking them after making a hell of alot of research regarding the dose for every product !

[stevothedevo]

Thanks for having the time to explain me...and i really have to say that ur taking a lot of suppl and that at the first sight it made me scared:) not to interact between and make something bad and for an overdose.
But i believe that ur taking them after making a hell of alot of research regarding the dose for every product !


It is not as many as it looks if you divide them up into categories:

There are:

Antioxidants
Nootropics
Anti inflams / cardio / cholesterol
Diabetic aids

And yes, I do research and look carefully for any contraindications.

Hope I've been of some assistance.

[krikuletz]

Yes u made me searching and understanding a lot.
Now all i have to do is just read a bit more and start making some test with not so many suppl first to see if there any bad effects or how i will feel,but i reckon that it will be ok as that's what my mind thinks...
I will let everybody know how i'll feel within this month.
Many Thanks

[builtnooka250]

Nitrix works well for me, along with NO-XPLODE pre workout and CELL MASS post workout. Leg days are crazy, after leg presses and burn out leg extensions quads feel like they are going to burst!


r those products working well for u?? and how long have u been taking them?? give me some info?? i just started taking NOexplode, and so far no results. but i just started! and im thinking about taking nitrix and cellmass along with it!! but i want some info first, i appreciate if u helped me out a little!

[builtnooka250]

im planing to take bsn nitrix and cellmass and i just started NOexplode so give me some more info on them. and would u recomend them and r they effective??

[Repfreak]

i like it alot no come downs like i had with NO-explode, the only thing that sucks about no-shotgun is the nasty tast. i shower before the gym due to my job, so i drink the no-shotgun in the shower then brush my teeth right after it's gone. helps with the after taste! but in all i think the no-shotgun is one of the better NO products.

[filipino_muscle]

I've just recently shown interest in the NO/vasodialator movement. I'm seriously considering attempting these products.

So, from the several posts I've skimmed on this thread. The NO approach is a similar mechanism to creatine. It gives you a 'pump', which in turn, allows you to lift more weight and provides you with more energy. Subsequently, the protein you consume will reap these NO benefits? Right?

From you guys, Super Pump 250 and NO-Explode seem to be in the lead. Sorry, there's like 45 page of endless posts. It kind of takes a hell of a lot of time to read a few. But, anyone have takes on Nutrex's NIOX Extra Strength Liquid-Cap Delivery? I came across their ad in Flex magazine.

[ghost007]

super pump 250 from gaspari was great but it give me the runs so bad i quit taking it.

[filipino_muscle]

Super Pump 250 and NO-xplode have some type of creatine transport and glutamine. Is this really necessary to drive in the NO? I checked out Nutrex's NIOX and did not list creatine or glutamine. I came across that Nitrix needs to be taken with NO-xplode. Are any of you doing this BSN tandem??

[stevothedevo]

r those products working well for u?? and how long have u been taking them?? give me some info?? i just started taking NOexplode, and so far no results. but i just started! and im thinking about taking nitrix and cellmass along with it!! but i want some info first, i appreciate if u helped me out a little!


Nor will you get results - it cannot and doesn't work - read the science and research on vasodialation and you will understand why: in a nutshell you would have to orally ingest around 43 grams in one hit to get any effect at all....

[bigonprotein]

I think NO is really ****in stupid. A guy at GNC pushed me into buying it so I tried a sample. It din't do anyting for me. I couldn't stand the taste of it either. I think if anything, it made me weaker haha. You guys just take protein and creatine, thats all you need.

[stevothedevo]

I think NO is really ****in stupid. A guy at GNC pushed me into buying it so I tried a sample. It din't do anyting for me. I couldn't stand the taste of it either. I think if anything, it made me weaker haha. You guys just take protein and creatine, thats all you need.




***********************BINGO*********************

[EZ2KILL]

just find ONE piece of evidence that NO works! Just google it - it should take less than a minute of your time if it exists. I will eat humble pie and admit I was wrong and that I am a moron in this public forum if you can.

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=scientific%20study%20nitric%20oxide%20mu scle%20growth&hl=en&lr=&oi=scholart

Out of ultimate respect Stevo, it seems there may be several pieces of evidence that NO has some benefit in the area of vascular enhancements. I do submit myself to your greater knowlege and experience, but there are lots of scientific entries to that effect through Google, (I took your advice and Googled it)

Still looking for the best myself, pill or powder. Quantity or Quality. EZ out

[fitfranco]

How about Super Charge?

[builtnooka250]

Nor will you get results - it cannot and doesn't work - read the science and research on vasodialation and you will understand why: in a nutshell you would have to orally ingest around 43 grams in one hit to get any effect at all....
well stevothedevo, i have been reading ur posts and everyone elses and u say that NO doesnt work! i dont kno that much about supplments! well do u think it would help if u took NOexplode with nitrix, and cellmass(cellmass is a creatine not a NO). and do u think this bsn cycle of cellmass, NOexplode and nitrix work?? and what r ur thoughts on bsn Axis-ht??

[Hyperintensity]

SUPER PUMP 250! Buy it online not GNC! Muscle tech costs too much and NO-XPLODE has aspartame in it which isnt good for you. (chemical) 250 has sucralose which is splenda. a lot better for you than chemicals.

[stevothedevo]

well stevothedevo, i have been reading ur posts and everyone elses and u say that NO doesnt work! i dont kno that much about supplments! well do u think it would help if u took NOexplode with nitrix, and cellmass(cellmass is a creatine not a NO). and do u think this bsn cycle of cellmass, NOexplode and nitrix work?? and what r ur thoughts on bsn Axis-ht??


Sorry, but I can't answer on bsn axis-ht as it is a new one to me.

Generally speaking creatine research and personal experience with many brands and the esters satisfies me it is great for strength at least and size perhaps.
I still maintain that NO has no credible research that I have seen and it gave me dihorrea and that's all. I also think that people who take blends including as NO product may feel it is the NO giving the effect when it may be another component.
I concede other views exist, but this is my view.

Let me also retell that I got a PM from THE CEO OF BB.COM warning me about questioning NO products which I thought was weilding a LOT of power towards one Aussie poster.......maybe a few companies saw my posts and whispered in Tommy Zarate's ear????
Makes you REALLY think!!!!

[stevothedevo]

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=scientific%20study%20nitric%20oxide%20mu scle%20growth&hl=en&lr=&oi=scholart

Out of ultimate respect Stevo, it seems there may be several pieces of evidence that NO has some benefit in the area of vascular enhancements. I do submit myself to your greater knowlege and experience, but there are lots of scientific entries to that effect through Google, (I took your advice and Googled it)

Still looking for the best myself, pill or powder. Quantity or Quality. EZ out


Thanks for the compliment but it is unnecessay. I am no expert nor am I deserving of respect - I am just sharing what I do know along with my opinions and what experience I have.

[dragoncd]

Background - I started NO Xplode 8/24/2006 and so have taken it 4 times (only on workout days). I have taken many supplements in the past (cycles of creatine, thermogenics) but nothing within the last 3 years. I just got done with a clean cut, lost 15 lbs and am now looking to put on 5-10 lbs of muscle in the next 3 months. I figured I would try this supplement and if nothing else - the energy it gave me as I started lifting harder would be beneficial.

First day I took 1 scoop (I am 6'1 185, 12.5% body fat) and I felt energized going to the gym and noticed slight increases in strength. Some vascularity increases, and my muscles felt fuller for the rest of the day (I lifted at night)

Second day I took 2 scoops, noticed huge energy and again, slight increases in strength. Basically this supplement allowed me to lift longer and harder. More vascularity - I am starting to see veins I never thougth I had. Muscles feel very full and hard.

The next workouts have been the same - huge energy increases along with vascularity and fullness.

In all I am very pleased with this supplement, I will continue to take for a month or 2 and only on the days that I workout. Interesting to note is that the energy I feel is similar to a thermogenic energy, but without the jitteryness or heart racing that a caffeine/ephedrine supplement would give.

This has been my experience with this product.

[blitzdn]

I'm taking NOX-CG3 and it's done wonders. I will compare it to Labrada Supercharge after it's over with. The NOX combined with CG3 is the key.

[meshaja]

Super Pump 250 and NO-xplode have some type of creatine transport and glutamine. Is this really necessary to drive in the NO? I checked out Nutrex's NIOX and did not list creatine or glutamine. I came across that Nitrix needs to be taken with NO-xplode. Are any of you doing this BSN tandem??

As everyone else, I am just offering opinion, mine comes from experience, so be careful not to take someone's opinion who has developed it from somebody elses.

I took a whole tub of NO-Xplode. I stayed at a constant 190lbs. But I can tell you that I ripped up my muscles and pushed out my six pack. I'm 25, and I havent seen a 6pack in my stomach since I was working out in High School. It worked well for me.

From what I understand, the glutamine has something to do with cuttin the fat.

& The creatine is more or less something that bulks you up.

[MOOSE25]

Superpump 250 is by far the best NO product I have ever used. I am almost done with my 2nd tub. It makes me wan't to through HMMWV's. And koolaid through the walls in the gym. Plus the mental focus I get while I am working out is unbeleivable which really helps with the mind muscle connection and my strngth has wen't up alot. It does keep me up at night which kinda sucks but damn good product.

[jpars]

Superpump 250 is by far the best NO product I have ever used. I am almost done with my 2nd tub. It makes me wan't to through HMMWV's. And koolaid through the walls in the gym. Plus the mental focus I get while I am working out is unbeleivable which really helps with the mind muscle connection and my strngth has wen't up alot. It does keep me up at night which kinda sucks but damn good product.


AMEN

NOX= HUGE rush....for 20 minutes

SP250= solid workouts, every time

[betternaked]

NO products contain extra arginine, an amino acid that is abundant in whey protein, anyway

[alf11]

I am about to start using the supplement NOX-CG3 from Xyience. Is there any informed advice on what, if anything I need to stack this product with?

[PoonTang]

ive tried them all...can't say which is the best...currently using BSN Nitrix. seems to get the job done. good pumps. but nothing like they claim..

[alive]

I took nitrix three years ago before it was out on the market, it was great, Now they reformulated it, got to tell you it sucks, bad cramps and you may have to run to the bathroom a lot, GOOD JOB BSN,

[stevothedevo]

I took nitrix three years ago before it was out on the market, it was great, Now they reformulated it, got to tell you it sucks, bad cramps and you may have to run to the bathroom a lot, GOOD JOB BSN,


Correction - You WILL have to SPRINT to the bathroom - at least there is one good thing about NO products, you will learn to run fast and clench your gut muscles.

[Aussiesurfy]

One of the Originals in NO....Syntrax Nitrous does the job for me. Am trialling MHP Anadrox at the moment to see what it compares to in conjunction to others I have tried, from Xplode to niox, to shotgun to NO TRAC to swolen to cmi no3 overload. But Nitrous is still a mac daddy in my books :)

[severesoldier]

My favorite NO supplement is NO2 but it's also the only preworkout NO I have ever used.

Has anyone tried Vyotech's Nitrobolics Extreme?

[Rottluver]

Correction - You WILL have to SPRINT to the bathroom - at least there is one good thing about NO products, you will learn to run fast and clench your gut muscles.
The only products that have made me have less then normal trips to the bathroom are the "new-formula" NO-Xplode and AMP when taken in too high of a dose.....otherwise I take Nitrix and other products with no troubles at all.

[ingrid.rondona]

If you had to pick just ONE nitric oxide (NO) product, what would be the best one?

Please pick product and include the brand. Give your reasons. The best answers will be displayed on the main Bodybuilding.com site for millions of people to see!

(Note: This is not a discussion about how or when to take nitric oxide products, if you should take nitric oxide products, or why some nitrix oxide products are NOT good. Just list your absolute favorite nitric oxide product and give your detailed reason.)
hi ; sorry but my english is a little bad... i have a question for you.. if i want lose fat the HFR cream nitric oxide gel formula from BL barmensen labs help??? i mean i know this is ofr hard muscular look ... but it good idea use that with my workout or no????
thank
ingrid

[CARAY]

Gaspari's Superpump 250, Gave Me High Energy And Skin Tearing Pumps

[UpstateTank]

just tried out NO-Shotgun by VPX...i liked it better than other NO products ive tried (no-explode and sizeon)...the only problem is the taste, but ill trade taste for how well a product works any day

[SIXPAKGQ]

first time taking any NO product. I tried BSN...wow!!!! this stuff is awesome!!! i felt natural....i was lifting heavier..it makes u want to work out..
its not a crash like when you take cafeinated products...this stuff keeps u energized and focused throughout the day..i feel great at work.....


i only had 4 hours of sleep last night....but it doesnt seem like it with NO

[whitedevil74]

NO SHOTGUN. No doubt.

[civileng68]

the best NO out there is hands down: SuperPump 250. This stuff is like a miracle. Strength and size sky rocket after every use and workout. I compared it to all other NO out there as well. I read alot about all of them and none seem capable of SuperPump 250 results.

the stuff DOES work, however, it is KILLER on the digestive system. I took it for about 2 weeks and after I became so sore and worn out from the diarhea, I stopped taking it. I asked around the gym and others laughed and said they had the same problem.

[SIXPAKGQ]

the stuff DOES work, however, it is KILLER on the digestive system. I took it for about 2 weeks and after I became so sore and worn out from the diarhea, I stopped taking it. I asked around the gym and others laughed and said they had the same problem.


i heard it causes diahearea. is that true?

if it does causes diahearea then whats the best NO product out there???

[SufferThru]

I've tried that NO Xplod stuff and yeah...it's pretty good. The best stuff I've ever used is Beverly International's "Muscle Synergy." That product has more L-Arginine and Creatine in it than NO Xplod. Most of the stuff in it is pharmaceutical grade and it's been scientifically tested. Yeah, it costs a little more than most products, but you definitely get what you pay for. Ask any of the bodybuilders on this page that have been in the biz for a while. They'll tell you the same thing.

Take 8 tablets 30-45 minutes before a workout.

Then you can take 8 post-workout OR before bed on an empty stomach.

[severesoldier]

The best stuff Ive used is Nitrobolic Extreme. I was exploding with energy. No Xplod is the only other NO product Ive tried. It's good but not as good as Nitrobolic Extreme. Only thing, NE gave me the ****s right before but I'm waiting to cycle off creatine before I cycle on that NE because I was sweating BAD at the gym too. I did up my max sqaut about 50 lbs on it though. Can't wait to start that cycle.

[joshzarkin1]

BSN- NO Xplode....Hands Down

[XXXperiment]

I like Anadrox Pump and Burn a lot, i've gotten some good results from it

[savva]

ive been told that caffeine CANCELS creatine effects....
No explode's a caffeine rush isnt it?
I was told to completely remove caffeine from my diet while taking creatine...? please help

[230plus]

Myogenix / Hypershock

[cbas03]

NO-Xplode is the best supplement I have ever taken. I have taken NO2 and some other products, and none of them worked as well as NO-Xplode. I have recommended it to everyone I know!

[Rottluver]

ive been told that caffeine CANCELS creatine effects....
No explode's a caffeine rush isnt it?
I was told to completely remove caffeine from my diet while taking creatine...? please help
Don't personally know if it cancels it or not but NO-Xplode has creatine and caffeine in it.........always worked good for me (till they changed the formula and made it taste like crap now) :(

[SIXPAKGQ]

people say that all bsn's no explode is mostly Cafeine. I might as well drink a cup of coffee before working out. is this true?

[dsheola]

My experience:
Superpump250 leaves me in the bathroom more than the gym, gives me good pumps but i feel like I lose 10lbs a week on it, which is not my goal.
NOXCG3 tastes horrbile and does nothing.. biggg waste of money
NO-xplode tastes good and seems to work pretty well. I get somewhat of a buzz before I lift and I can feel my arms pumping after a lift. Decreases recovery time. Deffinately my favorite thus far.

Waiting for Muscletech's NANOX9 to come out. Read alot of hype, hope it works well. Anyone hear anything about this stuff yet?

[SIXPAKGQ]

My experience:
Superpump250 leaves me in the bathroom more than the gym, gives me good pumps but i feel like I lose 10lbs a week on it, which is not my goal.
NOXCG3 tastes horrbile and does nothing.. biggg waste of money
NO-xplode tastes good and seems to work pretty well. I get somewhat of a buzz before I lift and I can feel my arms pumping after a lift. Decreases recovery time. Deffinately my favorite thus far.

Waiting for Muscletech's NANOX9 to come out. Read alot of hype, hope it works well. Anyone hear anything about this stuff yet?
THAT IS WHY BSn's NO Explode is #2 on the most sellable item on BB

First NO product ive taken is NO Explode. Started last week and loving it! it is what it is. I even feel good throughout the day. more energetic

[kdude8413]

WHITE BLOOD!! i've tried NO-Explode, Superpump250, Xpand, and MRI NO2, best one out of those was the no-explode but i had to start overdosing to feel the effects. and they died off quickly, didnt get great pumps, i never thought a supplement could give me the pumps i used to get. but i started taking White Blood a week ago, and im PUMPED all day, to the point where it doesnt seem legal lol, great product so far, cant wait to see if i still feel this after 90 caps

[kdude8413]

oh ya, ive also used BSN Nitrix... that stuff was alright aswell, nothing like the WB tho. no explode is best for focus, maybe a scoop b4 workout on the wb

[ThaChach]

I have tried many NO supplements such as NO-Explode, Pump Tech, Shock Therapy, Animal Pump, and Super Pump 250.

Out of those I would have to say Animal Pump and Super Pump 250 gave me the best results.

[clarke74]

One I've been using is Universal NOX3, and in a month I'm at my previous best after lapsing on my workouts for over a year !!! Now to see where it takes me !!! ps its the first NO product ive tried ever

[Danzavier]

I have been told that since Nitric Oxide is a hemodilator ( thus meaning it opens your blood vessels) it is not a good idea to take Caffeine because of the common sense reason that caffeine will constrict your blood vessels. i don't believe NO products should have caffeine in them for that very reason. people boast of products like NO-Xplode making them feelin like they have the energy to lift anything? i think a pot of coffee would make me feel like i have the energy to do anything...you could have the energy to lift through the roof but you might be loosing out on the real effects of the Nitric oxide part. just wondering if anyone else knows alot about mixing caffeine and NO.

[acidslug]

No-Xoplode bsn.

good stack is with BSN nitrix take 4 to 5 tabs with no-xplode about 15min pre workout. u will stay pumped for 2 to 3 days after workout.

no-xplode great for energy boost i use pre saturday nite b4 clubbing works great and also when doing sercurity

[stealth_swimmer]

Amped ECN stacked with Xtreme Nitropump.



by the way....since this thread is pretty much useless because of all the posts....how about we just turn it into a hang out thread? No? Alright nvm.

[Eming]

Anyone know if it is ideal to stack dymatize xpand with dymatize NOV caplets? Little off topic , just in a hurry.

[esquire415]

Doesn't NO-Xplode already have creatine in it? Why do you need to stack it with another creatine product like CellMass or Xpand? How much creatine does NO-Xplode have anyway and how much do you really need?

[Brigand]

I looked into the ingredients in BSN's NO-Xplode in finer detail after I experienced insomnia when using it (no matter how early in the morning I took it, 16 hours later no sleep).

Problem 1: Vincamine, Vinpocetine, Vinburnine are all derivatives of a periwinkle flower, Vinca Minor I believe. They are stimulants used medically as mental enhancers for people with varying degrees of mental difficulties. Insomnia is one of the key side effects of all 3.

Problem 2: 1 serving of NO-Xplode contains 1 gram of Arginine and I'm not sure how much creatine. You'll notice the directions want you to take 2-3 servings, so you're getting 2-3 grams of arginine, unknown amount of creatine and boatloads of caffeine and the periwinkle derivatives above. Best I remember there are 40 servings per container, so one tub would last you 13-20 days if you used it according to the directions.

Problem 3: BSN offers little detailed information of their products on their own website, and you'll notice all of their technology (time releases, ingredient makeup, delivery systems, etc) on the label is patent-pending, not patented.

I was highly disatisfied with BSN's NO-Xplode. I could not sleep, further look into the details of their product showed alot of junk, my energy and pump would soon drop off during a work out, and I would feel wired but unenergetic the rest of the day.

I have done quite a bit of research since and have had much better results from MHP's TRAC Extreme NO. It's a high quality, patented, no junk/filler product that costs about the same as NO-Xplode. 1 serving has everything you really need for sustained energy and pump, and it comes in a 25 serving tub. The only stimulant in it is natural caffeine from green tea extract, banaba, and guarana.

Visit their website, they provide a ton of information about each of their products so you know what is doing what.

http://www.maxperformance.com/home.php

[Rottluver]

I looked into the ingredients in BSN's NO-Xplode in finer detail after I experienced insomnia when using it (no matter how early in the morning I took it, 16 hours later no sleep).

Problem 1: Vincamine, Vinpocetine, Vinburnine are all derivatives of a periwinkle flower, Vinca Minor I believe. They are stimulants used medically as mental enhancers for people with varying degrees of mental difficulties. Insomnia is one of the key side effects of all 3.

Problem 2: 1 serving of NO-Xplode contains 1 gram of Arginine and I'm not sure how much creatine. You'll notice the directions want you to take 2-3 servings, so you're getting 2-3 grams of arginine, unknown amount of creatine and boatloads of caffeine and the periwinkle derivatives above. Best I remember there are 40 servings per container, so one tub would last you 13-20 days if you used it according to the directions.

Problem 3: BSN offers little detailed information of their products on their own website, and you'll notice all of their technology (time releases, ingredient makeup, delivery systems, etc) on the label is patent-pending, not patented.

I was highly disatisfied with BSN's NO-Xplode. I could not sleep, further look into the details of their product showed alot of junk, my energy and pump would soon drop off during a work out, and I would feel wired but unenergetic the rest of the day.

I have done quite a bit of research since and have had much better results from MHP's TRAC Extreme NO. It's a high quality, patented, no junk/filler product that costs about the same as NO-Xplode. 1 serving has everything you really need for sustained energy and pump, and it comes in a 25 serving tub. The only stimulant in it is natural caffeine from green tea extract, banaba, and guarana.

Visit their website, they provide a ton of information about each of their products so you know what is doing what.

http://www.maxperformance.com/home.php
Not making light of your situation, but I never had any trouble sleeping from taking it........even taking it as late as 3 or 4 in the afternoon.........sounds like you are pretty sensitive to stimulants maybe? I am sure there are others out there, but this is the first time I have read that NO-Xplode caused insomnia. :(

[Danzavier]

I'm stuck between the two and i would like to know which one you all think is better. i have been reading more complaint about NO-Xplode than SP250. mostly the complaint with 250 has been bowel movements. so please let me know which one i should try first!

[ScottC]

WHITE BLOOD!! i've tried NO-Explode, Superpump250, Xpand, and MRI NO2, best one out of those was the no-explode but i had to start overdosing to feel the effects. and they died off quickly, didnt get great pumps, i never thought a supplement could give me the pumps i used to get. but i started taking White Blood a week ago, and im PUMPED all day, to the point where it doesnt seem legal lol, great product so far, cant wait to see if i still feel this after 90 caps
I am using White Blood too, but just started using it so I can't give my opinion at this time. I will write again after using it for a while.

[mattlew62]

Im about to order superpump 250, b/c I heard it was very effective and im only 19 so I cant really take that much else and I notice on there it says to even take on non training day, should I really do that b/c I know alot of compaines just put that on there so you use it up faster and have to buy more but is there really a benefit to it??? Also I was wondering if it would be effective to take animal paks with it I heard they were a good multi, or would that be overkill????

[stevothedevo]

I looked into the ingredients in BSN's NO-Xplode in finer detail after I experienced insomnia when using it (no matter how early in the morning I took it, 16 hours later no sleep).

Problem 1: Vincamine, Vinpocetine, Vinburnine are all derivatives of a periwinkle flower, Vinca Minor I believe. They are stimulants used medically as mental enhancers for people with varying degrees of mental difficulties. Insomnia is one of the key side effects of all 3.

Problem 2: 1 serving of NO-Xplode contains 1 gram of Arginine and I'm not sure how much creatine. You'll notice the directions want you to take 2-3 servings, so you're getting 2-3 grams of arginine, unknown amount of creatine and boatloads of caffeine and the periwinkle derivatives above. Best I remember there are 40 servings per container, so one tub would last you 13-20 days if you used it according to the directions.

Problem 3: BSN offers little detailed information of their products on their own website, and you'll notice all of their technology (time releases, ingredient makeup, delivery systems, etc) on the label is patent-pending, not patented.

I was highly disatisfied with BSN's NO-Xplode. I could not sleep, further look into the details of their product showed alot of junk, my energy and pump would soon drop off during a work out, and I would feel wired but unenergetic the rest of the day.

I have done quite a bit of research since and have had much better results from MHP's TRAC Extreme NO. It's a high quality, patented, no junk/filler product that costs about the same as NO-Xplode. 1 serving has everything you really need for sustained energy and pump, and it comes in a 25 serving tub. The only stimulant in it is natural caffeine from green tea extract, banaba, and guarana.

Visit their website, they provide a ton of information about each of their products so you know what is doing what.

http://www.maxperformance.com/home.php

there are a couple of reasons....first, NO doesn't and cannot work for a variety of reasons - bioavailability being one. Second, it is mixed with a variety of other supps so you can't tell it is rubbish. Thirdly, caffiene is the supp that people think is the NO kicking in...thats why you find the rush dissipates and lethargy sets in. Fourth, creatine actually does work and thats where the gains come from.
Vinpocetine is very mild - I take 40 mg a day for tinnitus and it has no overt physical effect at all, maybe a little bit of mental alertness but thats all.

Smart posting, Brigand - you got it in one!

[7:360]

I've personally come to the conclusion that regardless of what studies claim NO might benefit or do, it's a waste of money for me in the end. I've tried basically every product out there that is considered an NO product considering that I worked @ Mass Nutrition for over a year and I didn't feel a pump one bit.

One product that I never really got to confirm if it was really effective or if it was just a placebo effect was VPX's PUMP I believe it's called. I took the RTD and drank one before my workouts and the 2 times I consumed it, I felt my workout consisted of alot more intensity, endurance and overall focus but then again, I was also supplementing Sci-Fit's Kre-Alkalyn which is yet another product, I actually liked.

Just my $.02

[stevothedevo]

I've personally come to the conclusion that regardless of what studies claim NO might benefit or do, it's a waste of money for me in the end. I've tried basically every product out there that is considered an NO product considering that I worked @ Mass Nutrition for over a year and I didn't feel a pump one bit.

One product that I never really got to confirm if it was really effective or if it was just a placebo effect was VPX's PUMP I believe it's called. I took the RTD and drank one before my workouts and the 2 times I consumed it, I felt my workout consisted of alot more intensity, endurance and overall focus but then again, I was also supplementing Sci-Fit's Kre-Alkalyn which is yet another product, I actually liked.

Just my $.02





..waits for the snake oil salesmen to tell us you are just an unlucky 'non-responder...'

You are right and for the record NO can't work, doesn't work and those who think it is working are confusing it with all the other ingredients in with most NOproducts - caffiene being the biggest culprit. I challenge anyone to take an equivalent quantity of caffiene that a lot of NO supps contain and I'll bet it gives you the same effect you thought the NO was giving you.

[jkeithc82]

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Jeez, stevo is obsessed. :D

[stevothedevo]

Who Posted?
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Jeez, stevo is obsessed. :D

ONLY 72? Geeze, I'd better add another one then.....lol
You show a bit of the same trait digging for that info and posting it!!
Committed and tenacious, not obsessed.
Peace

[7:360]

You are right and for the record NO can't work, doesn't work and those who think it is working are confusing it with all the other ingredients in with most NOproducts - caffiene being the biggest culprit.
As is the case, I believe, with NO-Xplode. I don't believe the VPX Nitrous PUMP I took had any caffeine in it though. Good point though!

[kdude8413]

who cares how many posts there are?

when i was takin the no-explode, i got the shakes and jitterss, that was prolly the caffeine, yes. but im pretty sure white blood doesnt have any caffeine, and and after taking it at work, i can be relaxed and feel such a pump in my forearm that i have to raise my arms a bit, but on the days i miss taking WB (or forget) no pump, odd

wb does the trick for me, pumped when not working out, and pumped as hell when lifting.

i know water, protein and lots of carbs will assist in the "blood transport enhancing effects" (pump) so no 2 days are the same.

[BuckOnine]

So even though MRI NO2 / CE2 is expensive. Do you think it's still worth the money if it's proving good results?

[Datu_Puti]

BSN NO Xplode works great for me. TRAC and White Blood didn't do anything for me. Must have been my body composition.

Musclemilk
Cytosport Complete Whey
BSN NO Xplode
AST VPro

[NorCALSpeed]

well i went through a tub of HP micronized, good pumps, but ive plateaued at 172lbs. i gained about 8-10 on it. part of the prob is my food intake tends to drop on days im off, or weekends when i sleep in. I bought some cee, sending it back after a day (taste, and turns to creatinine). i was just going to order more hp micronized unless someone can suggest better. im not looking for everyone to say "i like this one!" and "well this one has a pretty box so i like it". if youve taken a micronized, esp Hp, and found something better (without caffeine and/or NO) please let me know. i want to order it tonight so my days off doesnt last too long. should i be stacking with something besides shakes?

[mattlew62]

I've been loosing alot of weight lately and im about to start taking blast cycle, do you guys think it's allright for me t otake it, will it give me more lean muscle mass???

[thedisneydad]

I started using NO about a year ago when I got back into lifting after a 13 year hiatus...actually a 13 year laziness and puffing up to 365lbs of marshmallow man.

Anyway, I started with the Six Star brand from Walmart, and it was pretty cool...I had been out of it for so long that I didn't know what to expect, and the pump was neat. Might have been mental too, but who can tell?

The next brand I tried was Weider's brand, and it didn't seem to work as well, so I went back to the six star.

After about 6mos. I started using BSN Nitrix, and HOLY CRAP WHAT A DIFFERENCE! The biggest difference besides the pump was off the wall dreams.
The pumps were great, but not exactly like the ads say...who knew? I wasn't experiecing all day pumps...who does?

Since then, I've tried NOX CG3 which I notice nothign from, but my parents bought me two cans for my Bday so I'll give it a whirl...Im two weeks into it and it's not so bad if I mix some honey in it for a bit of sugar in the workout...makes it palatable.

U've also used MRI N30, and continue to use it for leg day(squats, deads, and leg sled in one day just burns a guy...but it hurts so good!) Anyway the N30 is pretty good...pumps me in a heartbeat and stays till I'm done, which is quite long sometimes...I also use it for when I go cycling, and I go for about 20 miles on twisty hills behind my neighborhood. The pump stays pretty well till I get home which takes about 2.5 hours. I go in my camo shorts and the last time, they were so tight, it almost hurt. I had to keep adjusting them. The downside of N30 is the obscene price...they want too much for the product...my next box better have Christie Brinkley in it!

I'm currently in the middle of a 12 week cycle of Nitrix and it still works for me, so I'll keep using it...this payday I'm gonna pick up some NOxplode to give that a shot. Right now I use 4 Nitrix tabs 3 times a day(except for morning dose) for on days and 3 tabs 3 times a day for off days...I work out in the morning, and I use two servings of NoxGG3 wtih three tabs of Nitrix. Today was shoulders and triceps and my triceps felt like they were gonna POP! I also did dips for the 1st time today(just didn't know I was strong enough now to do them...I had been doing bench dips weighted with the EZcurl bars like 50lbs/12 reps and going up in weight 10lbs per set for 4 sets) so that was cool!

Anyway, I just wrote a book, but hopefully I helped somebody here...

Can any of you NOxplode users tell me which flavors are the best?
For cellmass I prefer the arctic berry, but I have no clue if it might taste the same as the NOxplode.

Michael

[jwright2]

NO Xplode's Fruit Punch has a weird taste to it. It's hard to explain but I didnt like it too much...it seemed really strong, even with a lot of water. I just bought a bucket of NO Xplode Lemonade but havent had the chance to try it...hopefully its better than the fruit punch flavor.

Flavor is going to be a personal preferrence though, so go with a flavor that you enjoy in other products.

[thedisneydad]

Almost forgot...I also took xyience XNO, but I got absolutely nothing out of it...it was a waste of my time.

[NorCALSpeed]

sounds like no gives good pumps but no real help in gains?

[thedisneydad]

on the surface yes...but consider the mechanism of how the pumps are achieved. Vasodilation means lower blood pressure, better blood flow(which means better nutrient transportation), which of course all adds up to better recuperation time. I would say that NO helps create a synergistic environment for the rest of your supplementation.

The key component to any NO product is the Arginine in various different forms. In the field of wound treatment Arginine is a key component. At work we give what's called Arginaid to the wound patients. It has 4500mg of L-Arginine in it as well as a few other BCAAs. It tastes like crap, but that is beside the point...

NO products definitely have their benefit, both in body development, and health care. Even if you don't directly gain mass from them, they will help.

Now all you have to do is find which works best for you, and at the best price. Some are way too expensive for me to even consider, regardless of benefit.

[NorCALSpeed]

yeah thats the other prob with no. soooooo expensive.

[357mag]

http://home.howstuffworks.com/caffeine4.htm
Interesting read on caffeine, according to the article, caffeine has your body producting adrenaline and this isn't healthy to have released all day long. (and since adrenaline releases cortisol, this could be counterproductive to muscle building maybe?). Not only that it keeps you from getting a good sleep since the half life of caffeine is 6 hours!

[homervb]

when you say currently how long do you mean by that?
just a few days or are you a couple weeks in?

I am contemplating getting that supp. would appreciate a little more detail if you have noticed any effects -or none for that matter.

Cheers

Nitrix is not for pre workout. you take it all day and it just keeps your muscles tight. i have some, and i'm thinkin about saving it for the summer when i hit the beach =D

[vtx7]

i ordered superpump 250 and it should be here tomorrow, should i just take it like 20 minutes preworkout or every day?

[thedisneydad]

follow the directions on the label. I don't know anything about superpump250

[RU4A69]

Citrulline Malate

[thinkalot]

i would have to say dymatize xpand. I didn't feel the pump as said in the adverts but My muscles seemed to be fuller and harder during the weeks that i took it.

Looking now for an alternative. i'm hesatating between superpump, swolen, no xplode ,and no shotgun....

[Trust Me]

dymatize is really good? can you link me to the product

[rwallenbaugh]

It's a great product, good pump, insane focus, and by cutting the dosing in half i get the same results and it lasts 35+ days!
I have been on No-Explode now for 3 weeks. I love the pumps and energy level. Has anyone experienced the crashing feeling when the caffeine effect wears of. That kinda sucks at midday for me. I think I am going to try V-12, shock theray or Vault, something that doesnt have the caffeine in it. Does anyone have an idea which would be better? Thanks

Bob

[SSW]

I have been on No-Explode now for 3 weeks. I love the pumps and energy level. Has anyone experienced the crashing feeling when the caffeine effect wears of. That kinda sucks at midday for me. I think I am going to try V-12, shock theray or Vault, something that doesnt have the caffeine in it. Does anyone have an idea which would be better? Thanks

Bob

Shock Therapy has caffeine but doesn't really have the crash. I can't speak for the others but I have tried Superpump and it has a little more noticable jolt (workout not any better than ST), but crashes a little harder.

[demetris]

dymatize is really good? can you link me to the product


http://www.dymatize.com/mivastore/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=DBE&Product_Code=C100Z

But buy it from BB.com

[SSW]

i ordered superpump 250 and it should be here tomorrow, should i just take it like 20 minutes preworkout or every day?

Some pre-workout supps. say just workout days some say everyday. I only took it on workout days, when you take it you kinda feel like you have to workout to burns off some of the energy. The only purpose IMO of taking it on an off day would be for the creatine, which you'd be better off getting from an actual creatine product.

[Colin O'Malley]

The bestNO product,and also most cost efficient BY FAR,is simply di-arginine malate powder.

I would also stack catopril with it,as it will dramatically increase the efficiacy of any NO oriented supplement.Catopril is a prescription item but it can be easily obtained over the net for around 15 bucks per month.The two together will cost no more than 25 -30 per month,and that is at high end dosing.
All of the NO suplements are really just overhyped bull**** with their claims of instant pumps;it does not matter when you take di-arginine malate(per/post w/o etc)...just 4 grams 3x per day,spaced evenly.

[TOYFORDOLET]

Dymatize Xpand is a great product. I also like the Energized Xpand, as I have a decent tolerance to caffeine.

I also like Universal Shock Therapy/Storm stack, very cost effective.

[bk12321]

i use NO Shotgun along with an NO2 supplement pill and i get HUGE pumps, and the bathroom trips are occasional NOT every day for me.

also the big tub of it is like 100+ servings, I dont have it with me right now so I cant check the exact number.

it tastes pretty bad but it is managable

[gorilla69]

i ordered superpump 250 and it should be here tomorrow, should i just take it like 20 minutes preworkout or every day?

yea drink it on the way to the gym....and get ready it tastes miserable....but i find if you mix the orange flavor with orange gatorade its fine.....w/water tho...you may gag...i do every time i gotta hold my nose and pound it real quick

[RelentlessChaos]

If your rich, buy them all. and try them, i have been using NO explode. i am gonn go to the gym a few days, not using it. and see if i fell a lot more tired.

lately i have been sleeping, watching tv, and then would wake up, and go to the gym. i was pumped up to. i always listen to music before to.(screamo)

i have been doing a lot of research and stuff. i will try superpumps, if i dont fell No explode is doing much. But i notice pumps, when i work out. And my brother and his buddy, are big, and workout partners. They say i am getting stronger, and bigger.

NO explode isnt really, pure creatine, its got more things than that. But i am taking whey protein now.

all i got to say is, if your getting results, you use to not get, stay with it. if you dont feel confident then STOP, and try other things.

[DaveGabe24]

If you guys are trying super pump, you may also want to invest in the softest toilet paper you can find to avoid rashes.

[vtx7]

Superpump has worked great so far for me

[vtx7]

yea drink it on the way to the gym....and get ready it tastes miserable....but i find if you mix the orange flavor with orange gatorade its fine.....w/water tho...you may gag...i do every time i gotta hold my nose and pound it real quick

i got the fruit punch flavor, its not too bad

[Southpaw802]

I have tried several brands and BSN NO Explode is the best. The Pumps are great and you can feel energy in minutes.

[7:360]

i got the fruit punch flavor, its not too bad
From my personal experience, IMO the fruit punch flavor tasted like cherry cough syrup medicine of some sort :(

I personally liked the Orange flavor the best but it didn't do anything for me performance wise.

[inferno746]

I'm stuck between the two and i would like to know which one you all think is better. i have been reading more complaint about NO-Xplode than SP250. mostly the complaint with 250 has been bowel movements. so please let me know which one i should try first!

maybe im the only one, but i had some gastro problems with NO Xplode. dont get me wrong, i absolutely LOVED the product, and its hard to give good advice about these things. Hell, one guy got INSOMNIA from itm si its extremely hard to predict how a certain product will react with u until u try it.

Personally, i loved NO Xplode. the frickin second i drank it i could feel my focus increase and i could actually feel the vasodilation taking place. But damnit, right after i took it, even on an empty stomach, id have to go sit on the toilet for a while. didnt make the greatest pre workout supp for me cause for a half jour after taking it, i was busy catching up on my reading. but even dispite this, my focus maintained throughout the day, no loss of sleep for me.

I stacked this with cellmass and nitrix and holy sh*it. the results were amazing. my pumps were sick, to the point of having trouble holding my phone up to my ear after an arms workout. and that friggin pump was there all damn day. loved that feeling.

as for comparison, i havent tried any other NO products. im hoping theres one out there that can provide me with the same results without the sudden need to read my latest issue of muscle and fitness for a half hour. but thats why im researching. let me know if any others out there have felt these effects. again, it could just be my particular reaction. hard to tell.

[user5160515874]

bsn no xplode has done wonders for me, good energy and the muscle pumps feel great

[BigLifter1]

EST has a superior NOS supplement for the following reasons:
This is not your typical nitric oxide (NO) product. This second generation formula has been reformulated to be bigger, badder and better than the previous version, and all competitors on the market.

NO-XTREME 2G™ utilizes 4 pathways for nitric oxide production, when many similar products use only one. What does this mean to you? If you're a nitric oxide user and you achieve the standard pump, NO-XTREME 2G™ will multiply that pump up to 4X. If you have tried nitric oxide products in the past, and have had little or no results due to the fact that we all have a different genetic makeup and respond differently to all products, NO-XTREME 2G™ offers you a 4-pathway option for utilization.

EST guarantees an effect to these users. EST achieved this potency through its AAKG complex™ and NO3A Vaso Technology™. The AAKG complex™ delivers better cellular utilization and creates the multiple pathways, while the NO3A Vaso Technology™ is a breakthrough within itself! Many other companies in the industry concentrate on marketing the "transport" or "delivery" system of their NO products. They need to back up their claims, for many of these companies' NO products do not activate the amino acids in the body to be "transported." Therefore, their products end up "transporting" little or nothing at all. EST's NO3A Vaso Technology™ actually actives the amino acids and allows them to become "bio-available," "transported," and then utilized. No other NO product can compare.
EST guarntees their products 100%!
Those are some amazing and profound claims! Check it out for yourself at

http://www.estnutrition.com/clarks/clarkproducts.htm

Mike

[bball33]

What is the best tasting no-xplode flavor.

[bjduty]

The UPS man just delivered my No Xplode today. I got the fruit punch and it tastes like a sweetart. Not bad at all really.

[7:360]

Tastes wise, I would go with the Orange personally.

[heretic74]

NO Xtreme 2G by EST is very good also . I have tried their other products and what is interesting is that they have their TEST DRIVE which has what they call Nitric drive a nitic oxide complex which is also great and I felt it so that is a plus , some I never feel or not sure what I am suppose to be feeling . Here is their site to anyone interested http://www.estnutrition.com/clarks/clarkproducts.htm

[squatmonster]

Yeah Like I stated in another trhread , pretty good product and great company .

[ITS-GO-TIME]

I really like NO-XPLODE. It gives me great pumps, increases my strength, and gives me great mental focus. I especially like to take it when i am having an 'off day', it gives me that kick in the ass to go to the gym and hit it, i guess thats probably from all the caffeine. Im on my 4th tub of it right now. I have tried the lemon lime, tropical freeze whatever, and the raspberry. In my opinion the raspberry is the easiest to choke down. i cant tell you specific numbers in gains, but i am definately stronger while im on this product (about a five to ten pound boost or so on the three big lifts for a one rep max). My recovery time is better also. This stuff does have its down sides, be sure you have had at least a few liters of water earlier in the day before you take it, it can make you feel ****ty and has given me headaches when i have skimped on the water. For the record im 22, 5'10, 195lbs, benching 320, squat 400, dead 350. Ive been lifting 5 years.

[crazyhorse666]

no explode is the one of the best products out there.

[7:360]

There's way better products out there to spend your money on than NO2.:)

[NO HYPE]

HORSE POWER.

No caffeine and an @ssload of quality ingredients.

[yzrider400f]

I bought my first tub of NO-Xplode and have already used it. I know that it doesn't do much except give you a good pump and energize you, but I wanted to try it and let me just say that it isn't anywhere near the league that MRI NO2 is. That stuff is like a steroid compared to this.

[jbsar]

No-Xplode is awesome!!! Ive used it for over a year and have had better results than other products!

[tylerdurden7]

No-Xplode is awesome!!! Ive used it for over a year and have had better results than other products!

word..

[LandryBaller]

i loved no-xplode but like any stimulant i got used to it.. i recently switched to HyperShock by Myogenix, and its superior

[CaSLeR]

I've been using NO-Explode and Nitrix by BSN, and I've noticed increased pumps and I've gained about 5 lbs in a 2 week period. :D

[tylerdurden7]

I've been using NO-Explode and Nitrix by BSN, and I've noticed increased pumps and I've gained about 5 lbs in a 2 week period. :D

its a good stack..

anyone use the labrada branded nox? The one with the thunder on the container?

[Jarrettspill]

If you want pump L-Arginine & Ornithine will do it for have the price.

[150shot]

Thanks to the O expo... I have tried alot of different NO products lately. I would have to say that by far the best I have used and am sticking with is Nutrabolics Ester Stack, I swear I am off the wall on this stuff. Next is NO-Explode. But I know not many use it, but give it a shot, well worth it...

[ice4me]

No explode WORKS!!! At least for me ... After the first time I stop using it ... well the pump went away ... I started taking it a couple weeks later. Well, the INSANE PUMP came back! I havent takin it in about a month. Tryin to cycle it. I will be buying it again in about another week fa sho.

[whitedevil74]

No shotgun

[ArmbarTapout]

NO Xplode works good for me, but I don't think it's the greatest thing ever.

Nitrix is the ****! Worth every cent. The only drawback is that I'd go to bed every night with a half decent pump going.

Anybody tried MuscleTechs naNOx9? I'm wantin to know how it compares to Nitrix.

[TrojanFan15]

I used a whole bottle of MRI's No2. I loved it, it gave massive pumps.

[yzrider400f]

I used a whole bottle of MRI's No2. I loved it, it gave massive pumps.
yea this stuff is awesome, i didn't get sore at all after using it for a couple days and pumps were ridiculous to the point where my muscles felt tingly.

[Johnnyduc916]

NO Xplode works good for me, but I don't think it's the greatest thing ever.

Nitrix is the ****! Worth every cent. The only drawback is that I'd go to bed every night with a half decent pump going.

Anybody tried MuscleTechs naNOx9? I'm wantin to know how it compares to Nitrix.
Lets get the 'skinny'- anything by Mescle Tech is gonna B GOOD. BET!

[Rodzilla]

Is NaNox9 out yet?

[Casperd360]

Is NaNox9 out yet?

Yes it is. Some GNCs are carring them. I was told that gnc has a contract with muscle tech for a year to be the only one to carry it.

[7:360]

Yes it is. Some GNCs are carring them. I was told that gnc has a contract with muscle tech for a year to be the only one to carry it.
Might be true, might not be. Mass Nutrition might be receiving it also...I spoke with the owner of it but no word on it yet. I guess for now GNC is the only place for now like you said

[150shot]

Get it on ebay, most likely a few bucks cheaper, and even save on tax.

[Rodzilla]

Yes it is. Some GNCs are carring them. I was told that gnc has a contract with muscle tech for a year to be the only one to carry it.

why would muscletech do that, unless they want more people to hate them

[Cash_Villain]

No -Xplode is the best supplement I've ever taken. I can't workout without it. I got the Blue-Raspberry flavor which the first cup i mixed was pretty bad but now it tastes just like kool-aid...I love this stuff I could drink it all the time.Get it at luckyvitamin.com

[7:360]

anyone use the labrada branded nox? The one with the thunder on the container?
For the claims that they make on the tub and the "ingredients" in it....it's all caffeine. I tried it, no big deal.

Save your money ;)

[CARAY]

Gaspari's Superpump 250!!!! Enough Said

[7:360]

Gaspari's Superpump 250!!!! Enough Said
Sucks man..I hear a lot of people swearing by this product but I didn't feel anything on this product. I used it for about 6 sessions and not once did I feel a pump. I get a better pump when eating some pasta and chicken with a fat glass of milk 1 hour before training :)

[CARAY]

Sucks man..I hear a lot of people swearing by this product but I didn't feel anything on this product. I used it for about 6 sessions and not once did I feel a pump. I get a better pump when eating some pasta and chicken with a fat glass of milk 1 hour before training :)

Hey bro sorry to hear that but it definitly works for me and a whole bunch of other peeps i spoke to...good luck with what works for you.

[LUKEDEICHER]

Both BSN's and Gasparis intensified my workouts, but I chose BSN for a particular reason and to give you a clue, I no longer will purchase superdump 250. The pain and waste aint worth the price for me.

[pu12en12g]

I am using White Blood too, but just started using it so I can't give my opinion at this time. I will write again after using it for a while.

Sounds good ! :cool:

[NitroMan88]

Yo i def gotz to take N.O.-Xplode... BSN all the way!!!!!!!!!

[tylerrico]

no-xplode is the best i have used. i tried PUMP a few years ago but didn't really give it a full chance i guess. i also tried stacking nitrix with no-xplode but then stopped the nitrix and still got the full effect without it, so i haven't used nitrix in about 1.5 yrs and everytime i use no-xplode it still has an amazing effect for me.

[Danzavier]

I have been taking Superpump 250 and it has been giving me awesome focus in the gym. ya you will definately have some bowel movements but if you can handle that. its awesome. i will keep posting.

[diablo4]

Ok i was like most of these people here that swear by NO-xplode.Don't get me wrong it is really good.Very good pumps and energy but only for 20 min.I jus tryed Shock therapy the other day and this stuff is much better then no-xplode IMO.It gave me energy for about 8 hours and the pumps feel so F*ckin good.I feel much more focused a more clearer focus then NO-X.For u guys that want to try NO-X try shock therapy its much better and cheaper too if u got any questions about it message me.

[airforce101216]

i use horse power. it has 4000mg of no2. i use it in the morning and 30 min. before workouts on workout days. in the morning and after lunch about 2:30 in the afternoon. on non workout days. i do this for 4 weeks then do 2 weeks at .25% of the dosage then repeat. I have muscle gains every week. in the last 2 weeks. I increased my bench by 50 pounds, curl by 50 pounds and squat by 75 pounds. I can now bench 250, curl 125 and squat 375.

[lukebr]

Hey guys

I bought some NO-Xplode in australia and its realllly expensive to get it over here due to shipping an stuff i guess and was wondering if any of you guys live in australia and know of anything similar you can get here for a reasonable price.

Oh yeahh and when i first tried NO-Xplode i was nervous because of some of the side effects people were talking about (needing to take a dump or getting really twitchy) but i honestly didnt feel any difference at all.

It does give me some nice pumps tho

[JayWesson1]

I first tried MRI's No2 when if first came out and it gave me a great pump and I did put on about 10lbs of muscle in around 2 months. The best surprise besides the pump and vascularity was that I have been able to maintain my gains even after getting off of it. I have also tried Xyience's Nitic Oxide booster but didn't get near the results that I did from the No2. I did feel stronger while taking it but I didnt get near the pump or vascularity that I did with the No2. Next week I am starting with muscleTech's naNOx9 and I am going to stack it with Leukic. Ill post thoughts after two weeks of training with the new stack.

[Hardkkore]

Hey guys, just bought this NO product based on a friend of mine that works at GNC. Actually it's not yet available for sale but she hooked me up; so I will give it a try this week and let you guys know. I've been using NO-Xplode; which by the way, is a great product.

Is anyone else using it? Please post a review. Until then, you guys keep lifting n live well!

[stevothedevo]

I first tried MRI's No2 when if first came out and it gave me a great pump and I did put on about 10lbs of muscle in around 2 months. The best surprise besides the pump and vascularity was that I have been able to maintain my gains even after getting off of it. I have also tried Xyience's Nitic Oxide booster but didn't get near the results that I did from the No2. I did feel stronger while taking it but I didnt get near the pump or vascularity that I did with the No2. Next week I am starting with muscleTech's naNOx9 and I am going to stack it with Leukic. Ill post thoughts after two weeks of training with the new stack.


I'll give up trying to show why NO cannot do anything at all unless you take 43 grams at a time orally.

But the above post is certainly bull****. You may have gained 10 lbs but not even the most ardent NO fan would attribute the gain to NO.
NO DOES NOT INCREASE LEAN BODY MASS. THERE IS NOT ONE SUPP COMPANY THAT WILL EVEN MAKE THAT CLAIM. And that is fact - apart from the debate as to whetehr it can even give you a pump. And for those who think it gives you a rush, check your ingredient list for a substance called caffiene...don't be a sucker...

Get real folks.

[BB is 4 life :)]

I'll give up trying to show why NO cannot do anything at all unless you take 43 grams at a time orally.

But the above post is certainly bull****. You may have gained 10 lbs but not even the most ardent NO fan would attribute the gain to NO.
NO DOES NOT INCREASE LEAN BODY MASS. THERE IS NOT ONE SUPP COMPANY THAT WILL EVEN MAKE THAT CLAIM. And that is fact - apart from the debate as to whetehr it can even give you a pump. And for those who think it gives you a rush, check your ingredient list for a substance called caffiene...don't be a sucker...

Get real folks.


Yeah folks, get real, the reason you get a much stronger pump is because theu include caffeine ( a vaso-constrictor ) in the ingredients for something that is a vaso-dilator......hmmmmmm......perhaps not :)

I tried my first serving of NO-Xplode yesterday, way better than i expected it to be, amazing pump and it kept getting better, ended up so pumped i felt like i couldnt flex my muscles properly inbetween sets.....but it didnt affect my contractions during the sets....

[NICK7788]

I've Also Tried No-explode; Mri No2, And Am Currently Taking Nanox9. Although I've Found That No-explode Has Had The Most Been The Most Effective So Far. Will Reply Back After Nanox9 Cycle

[JayWesson1]

I'll give up trying to show why NO cannot do anything at all unless you take 43 grams at a time orally.

But the above post is certainly bull****. You may have gained 10 lbs but not even the most ardent NO fan would attribute the gain to NO.
NO DOES NOT INCREASE LEAN BODY MASS. THERE IS NOT ONE SUPP COMPANY THAT WILL EVEN MAKE THAT CLAIM. And that is fact - apart from the debate as to whetehr it can even give you a pump. And for those who think it gives you a rush, check your ingredient list for a substance called caffiene...don't be a sucker...

Get real folks.

Did I say that I gained 10lbs by solely taking No2...of course not so try not to jump to conclusions about whether my post is bull**** or not. I stacked it with Creatin, Glucosamine, Amino Acid supplements, and a high protein diet. Add all that with a couple of months of lifting heavy and you get to gain 10lbs. So I am a proponent of nitric oxide boosters because the let you lift heavier than you did before and that gives you the opportunity to grow. And as for your claim as to theses supplements containing caffeine you might want to look at the labels a little closer because neither No2, naNOx9, or N.O.-Xplode contain it. Once again I will post my opinion on naNOx9 after a few weeks on it.

[CMcCane]

The best No2 product that I have taken so far would be NO-Xplode. By far it provided me with the most energy, focus and strength i've ever experienced with a supplement. I'm on BSN's Nitrix right now and have noticed very minimal effects compared to NO-Xplode. This could be because of the extra caffein in NO-Xplode. (On a side note, NO-Xplode gave me an extra boost in the bedroom if that matters to you.) I'd say to get big try NO-Xplode pre-workout and then something like Muscle Milk or Cellmass for post-workout. Good Luck!

[Mono]

whats the best NO pill/capsule?

[Mikey0014]

Ive used xpand and superpump 250, but i went back to NO-EXPLODE. You can just feel the pump and energy so much more.

[stevothedevo]

Did I say that I gained 10lbs by solely taking No2...of course not so try not to jump to conclusions about whether my post is bull**** or not. I stacked it with Creatin, Glucosamine, Amino Acid supplements, and a high protein diet. Add all that with a couple of months of lifting heavy and you get to gain 10lbs. So I am a proponent of nitric oxide boosters because the let you lift heavier than you did before and that gives you the opportunity to grow. And as for your claim as to theses supplements containing caffeine you might want to look at the labels a little closer because neither No2, naNOx9, or N.O.-Xplode contain it. Once again I will post my opinion on naNOx9 after a few weeks on it.


I promise to stop trying to save you all from purchasing an indisputably scientifically proven PLACEBO.
Just remember to look suitably red in the face when NO joins the ranks of other now pretty well recognized scams like glycergrow, ecdy, methoxy and liquid creatine...

Unsubscribed

[amagatjr]

I've gone through 2 tubs of NO-Xplode before... the effects were good at first, but during the 2nd tub i noticed the pumps weren't as good as before (body got used to it i guess)

i then switched to SuperPump 250 and have used it for the past 2 weeks... stuff gives you REALLY good pumps and focus at the gym... BUT my rectum cannot stand the aftermath of it (about 5 hours later) i thought my stomach could withstand it, but i was proven wrong.. i have a half tub still.. but don't want to finish it off (selling it to a buddy)

sooo... any suggestions of another product other than these two? i want something with similar effects as SP250, but without the superDUMPS

[7:360]

I never saw the need or the reasoning as to why companies put a vasodilator and a vasoconstrictor in the same product...

[blount3444]

I stacked NO-Explode with Nitrix and saw amazing results. When I use a full 3 scoops of NO explode it kind of trips my heart out a lil bit so I do about half the serving. Nitrix gave me great vascularity and so did MRI NO2.
I am currentley off both cylcles and started up Fizogen Blitz a few days ago.
Contains creatnine ethel ester and Arginine Alpha Ketogluterate.
Anybody else taken any Fizogen products and seen good gains?

[yak5]

I take No-Xplode and Nitrix together 30 mins before training. Find the pump and my muscle endurance during the session is incredible when I do this. I got a pretty good pump before from just NO-X but when combined with Nitrix - Whoaaa!!!

[AdamBigWang]

everytime I take NO xplode I end up having the most violent xplode of ****s about 5min after taking it, anyone else get this?
I'm taking it about an hour after ON whey, and feel fine but then I take the xplode :(

[merlinsrealm]

I have used 3 products..............

Xyience NOX-CG3
DYMATIZE - XPAND
BSN NO-Xplode

I found the Nox-CG3 gave me the best results with the best bump

The X-Pand had Waaaay to much caffene. I thought I was going to have a heart attack.

The NO-Xplode was also a good suppliment

I Rotate between the Xox-CG3 & NO-Xplode

Eric

[Ironfreak220]

I would have to say Nitrix or AEX Pump RTD's.

[150shot]

I've gone through 2 tubs of NO-Xplode before... the effects were good at first, but during the 2nd tub i noticed the pumps weren't as good as before (body got used to it i guess)

i then switched to SuperPump 250 and have used it for the past 2 weeks... stuff gives you REALLY good pumps and focus at the gym... BUT my rectum cannot stand the aftermath of it (about 5 hours later) i thought my stomach could withstand it, but i was proven wrong.. i have a half tub still.. but don't want to finish it off (selling it to a buddy)

sooo... any suggestions of another product other than these two? i want something with similar effects as SP250, but without the superDUMPS


Superpump250 jacked my stomach up too....did ok, and I'm glad I had the trial packets.....I stick with Nutrabolics Ester Stack ( not popular but I swear by it)...I have tried almost everything and this hits you hard, especially the mental focus...

[TOYFORDOLET]

I have had good results with both Energied Xpand (lots of caffeine, but I am not too sensitive to it), Xpand, and Shock Therapy (good supp, like the fact it has an antioxidant complex).

Oh yeah, Ive also taken NO Xplode, good energy, pumps, but I got horrible migraines, especially when using large or many muscle groups (bench, squats, etc).

[EssentialRain]

I'm about to start taking Xplode/CellMass stack tomorrow and was wondering how many mins should I take the Nox before I lift?

[7:360]

I'm about to start taking Xplode/CellMass stack tomorrow and was wondering how many mins should I take the Nox before I lift?
Read the directions on the tub :) I believe it's about 45 min. prior to workout or something along those lines.

[Danzavier]

I never saw the need or the reasoning as to why companies put a vasodilator and a vasoconstrictor in the same product...

I wondered the same thing man..

[Danzavier]

i was thinking of givin NO-Xplode a try. i wanted to know which flavor tasted better. i am currently taking superpump 250. it works awesome and i can drink the orange flavored like its a gatorade or something. just mix it with water in a sports bottle and it tastes great. anyways..what flavor of NO-Xplode is best??

[saz_]

i was thinking of givin NO-Xplode a try. i wanted to know which flavor tasted better. i am currently taking superpump 250. it works awesome and i can drink the orange flavored like its a gatorade or something. just mix it with water in a sports bottle and it tastes great. anyways..what flavor of NO-Xplode is best??

I tried lemonade; its pretty strong... I'm going to dilute it a bit more..