Best Overall Nitric Oxide (NO) Product?

[rainierb]

I've tried NO explode never got anything from it. Superpump250 and Usplabs Jacked are my top 2. I haven't tried white flood but I've heard good things about it though.

[BOOSTEDDUDE]

I got a tub of the new V3 formula and it is good stuff. Not sure I like it quite as well as SP250, but I still get a killer workout!

One very noticible characteristic is that it REALLY raises my body core temperature, and I sweat a TON. Considerably more than Sp250, white flood+ pw, noxplode, or AEN's Presurge.


Yeah, I just tried it today. I started with my usual 13 minute cardio routine and then moved on to my arm workout. I did start to feel quite a rise in body temperature right after my cardio but it wasn't too bad. I had a really good pump from this stuff and was feeling quite focused for sure! I used the synthesize during my workout as well and that seemed to help. Overall I was quite impressed because I could feel the effects from this stuff pretty quick and was ready to get to work. The taste was pretty decent. Two thumbs up on this Stack.

[gamecockmuscle]

Im gonna get some Superpump. Ive been using size-on, are the flavors similar?

I think SP250 is a little stronger tasting but in a good way. I've never had a better pre-workout product.

[Imeniaan]

GLPC @ 5 grams/day and/or Brown Seaweed Extract (Seanol) @ 3600 mg/day.

The rest, I REPEAT, the rest of all the so called NO-products are fake and DO NOT WORK!!!!

[extremefunster]

can anyone tell me anything about using both a plain creatine product like cell tech hardcore (which i currently use and it works really well, good gains and improved endurance) as well as an NO product like NO-xplode or V12 turbo (...etc)?. I dont know whether the NO product will have extra effect as it is essentially, a creatine product too?

[elicapel82]

Using an NO product and creatine won't cancel each other out, if that's what you are worried about. Actually they work well together. The NO will increase blood flow to the muscles making it easier for the creatine to get the muscles. It makes for a real good stack.
NO is not a creatine product. Some companys might combine the 2 though.

[hornetzdl24]

ive taken Black Powder and i must say i really liked it. i had awsome energy and i really liked the pumps from it. id recommend alternating it with something else because the effects do taper off a little bit, and i think its good to keep your body guessing... on the other hand ive now rotated on to using MHP's dark rage, which the first week i took it i really didnt like it. but i was also sick that week. this is the end of the 2nd week ive been on it and now for some reason im starting to like it. the pumps are good, but not amazing the "epo technology" keeps me going for a while but i mean its only alright at best. but for some reason i am starting to really like this product. the reason is it really lives up to the "rage" part of its name. it amps you up soooo much, i could not believe wut it made me feel like. i usually never turn my volume on my ipod all the way up b/c my ears just cant stand it. i kno it sounds weird but the dark rage made me turn the volume all the way up and i like just wanted the music screaming in my ears, it made me want to push past the point where i felt like i couldn't do any more reps, and like forced me to do 3 to 4 more reps. its extremely hard to explain but it just makes u want to scream and lift heavier and heavier. if your stomach can handle it id say give dark rage a try. the taste is horrible, until you get about a week in it makes u feel sick while lifting, but if u can get past that ull experience something ull find freaky. i dont kno why dark rage gets you so amped... but it works and its something i really like.

[Lifter4Life59]

thanks to all who responded to my post

I liked white flood when I started using it but I've built a tolerance for it and really get nothing out of it anymore, same thing kinda happened with universal shock therapy. Can't wait to try the samples of shotgun

[Lifter4Life59]

can anyone tell me anything about using both a plain creatine product like cell tech hardcore (which i currently use and it works really well, good gains and improved endurance) as well as an NO product like NO-xplode or V12 turbo (...etc)?. I dont know whether the NO product will have extra effect as it is essentially, a creatine product too?

My buddy used to take Universal storm with his shock therapy and it worked well for him, storm isnt just a mono creatine but it does have 5 grams a serving, he would take shock therapy before and storm immediately after his workout. Theres nothing wrong with taking NO before creatine

[s_bilicki]

i have recently used NO-Explode and at first was quite satisfied, however about 2 nmonths into using the product it has completely lost its effects on me! I read a few threads on Black Rage and thought i would give it a try....In my first time ever using it i broke through a plateau and increased my bench by 3 reps!!! I felt my "pump" for hours after and had one of the best workouts of my life. The only down side to the product is that it taste like s**t, but f*** it.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

CLs' WHITE FLOOD is the way (for me at least). Extreme focus, energy, and a pretty good pump too. It's hard to leave the gym when you combine it with
PURPLE WRATH.
I've tried: NO Xplode, NaNO Vapor, and SuperPUMP 250... I'm still with white flood...


I have a bunch of samples of NO Shotgun, but I've found it does nothing for me. SP250 and white flood were the best I've tried, although Animal Pump was pretty good too.

I just finished up a tub of wf and am cycling off NO/caffeine products for 10 days before I go back on them again. I definitely think wf is the best, but that 2 for 1 special on Animal Pump is pretty tempting too.
glad to hear you two loved white flood so much, thanks for the feedback :)

I've tried NO explode never got anything from it. Superpump250 and Usplabs Jacked are my top 2. I haven't tried white flood but I've heard good things about it though.
when you give white flood a shot, please leave us feedback as its very important to us :)

thanks to all who responded to my post

I liked white flood when I started using it but I've built a tolerance for it and really get nothing out of it anymore, same thing kinda happened with universal shock therapy. Can't wait to try the samples of shotgun
that will happen with any stim product, you MUST cycle it or you will be disappointed with every product.

[naturalguy]

thanks to all who responded to my post

I liked white flood when I started using it but I've built a tolerance for it and really get nothing out of it anymore, same thing kinda happened with universal shock therapy. Can't wait to try the samples of shotgun

Sounds like you are building a tolerance to the stims. Have you considered Animal Pump? It's great because you can leave the stims out (all contained in a single red pill) and that would give you a break from the stims yet you would still get all the benefits of the creatine/NO/anti-oxidants in the formula.

Right now bb.com is offering a sick deal buy 2 get 1 FREE but it's only for a limited time



My buddy used to take Universal storm with his shock therapy and it worked well for him, storm isnt just a mono creatine but it does have 5 grams a serving, he would take shock therapy before and storm immediately after his workout. Theres nothing wrong with taking NO before creatine

For the price/results Shock Therapy/Storm can't be beat

[palanilopez12]

thanks to all who responded to my post

I liked white flood when I started using it but I've built a tolerance for it and really get nothing out of it anymore, same thing kinda happened with universal shock therapy. Can't wait to try the samples of shotgun

just have to remember to keep cycling it...as with anything your body will build a tolerance and you'll need to shock it again...yeah to add to my list of what I've taken...i forgot about nano vapor, black powder, and NO shotgun...still going with white flood

[CONTROLLED LABS]

still going with white flood

tabs or powder?

[ric0_suav3]

ive taken Black Powder and i must say i really liked it. i had awsome energy and i really liked the pumps from it. id recommend alternating it with something else because the effects do taper off a little bit, and i think its good to keep your body guessing... on the other hand ive now rotated on to using MHP's dark rage, which the first week i took it i really didnt like it. but i was also sick that week. this is the end of the 2nd week ive been on it and now for some reason im starting to like it. the pumps are good, but not amazing the "epo technology" keeps me going for a while but i mean its only alright at best. but for some reason i am starting to really like this product. the reason is it really lives up to the "rage" part of its name. it amps you up soooo much, i could not believe wut it made me feel like. i usually never turn my volume on my ipod all the way up b/c my ears just cant stand it. i kno it sounds weird but the dark rage made me turn the volume all the way up and i like just wanted the music screaming in my ears, it made me want to push past the point where i felt like i couldn't do any more reps, and like forced me to do 3 to 4 more reps. its extremely hard to explain but it just makes u want to scream and lift heavier and heavier. if your stomach can handle it id say give dark rage a try. the taste is horrible, until you get about a week in it makes u feel sick while lifting, but if u can get past that ull experience something ull find freaky. i dont kno why dark rage gets you so amped... but it works and its something i really like.

Thanks for the feedback on the Dark Rage, not many people bring it up. One thing nobody has really touched on is the EPO aspect of it... Does anybody feel like it works? Anybody?

[Scotty1987]

SuperPump 250 and Plasma Jet hands down Gaspari nutrition has got it on lockdown

[electricjaguar]

Any recommendations for a NON-stim NO product? I used to use N.O. Limits but it looks like Designer Supplements doesn't sell it anymore :(

[METALGEAR16]

hi people for bb first i wanna introduce my self as am still learning fro this worl i dont claim to know aalot but all the information that am about to give is true 100% honesty and that what people what so they dont waste there money so here is how it goes i started to take supplements 5 years ago i have try many name brands of products for N.O boosters nothing work better to my body that N.O XPLOED FROM BSN PRODUCTS i was never try it a supplement ever i was a former wrestler in hig school for 2years and half never too0k no supps at until i graduated from it when i start taking n.o xploed i was alreaddy have been working out for 1year than after that i started to wonder why i wasent big like the other dudes in the gym well i had a friend already that had taken suppplenments before so he introduce me to n.o xploed so the first time i took it it was insane because i had never try anything before so i really like the feeling the focus that brings to the work out the pumps are just wonderful but one thing a have learn that great pumps are from a great diet also and the supplements just give there boost when the body needs it when i start taking n.o xploed i was around 102lbs than in the first month went from 102lb to 115 than after that i hit a plateu that i knew that it was maybe need it to take another supplements out there i did my reserch only at that time i came a cross to nitrix wich it was there brand new product i stack it with the cellmass from the same company than i went from 115lb to 130 in just couple of months i guess my point is that this stuff works but takes time to really kick in i did try another n.o boosters the funny thign is that i always end up coming back to n.o xploed because honestly i cant train with out so yeah N.O xploed is the best stuff out there hands down the minute you try it you will a diferent work out overall try give it a shot.




mr.cuts

[alaskablueberry]

i found an awesome source of all natural nitric oxide that totally pumps you up and no side effects. http://handsenterprises.mykyanilife.com/product/nitro.html

[combustion8]

has Fuzion akg3 been mentioned yet? I'm curious about this stuff.

[freedonutss]

White flood worked best for me. For some reason it makes me tingle ALOT rather than "slight" tingling. Also it makes me have a worry feeling for the rest of the day but other than that I get massive pumps.

[Perp]

Any recommendations for a NON-stim NO product? I used to use N.O. Limits but it looks like Designer Supplements doesn't sell it anymore :(

Animal Pump is a popular one. It has stims in it but it comes in pills and the red pill is the stims that can be removed. Buy 2 get 1 free right now also.

[NoControl]

So my recent success with Muscle Asylum Project's Altered State leaves me wanting more but without the same price...

What recommendation can you guys make regarding a similar product that is cheaper?

I dont mind the caffeine or whatever is in it, it actually helps amp me back up after working a desk job for several hours.

Thanks.

[Lifter4Life59]

that will happen with any stim product, you MUST cycle it or you will be disappointed with every product.

No disrespect, but I did cycle off of it, i was barely able to take it at all during the winter due to a virus. And I didnt work out for about 3 weeks straight towards the end of it and it still didnt do much for me, I still get some nice pumps dont get me wrong but the energy levels really arent there and the pumps are not nearly as good as before, but trust me I have cycled off to try and get it working again

[StringerrBell]

Vasocharge is legit

[caffeinecowboy]

As far as pure NO products go, the only one I've really felt anything from was NO2 Black. I have taken Nitrix and NO2 Platinum also.

I have taken 3 Pre-Workout formulas that also delivered a great pump. They are in order by best first, Superpump 250, NO Shotgun and SAN Fierce.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

White flood worked best for me. For some reason it makes me tingle ALOT rather than "slight" tingling. Also it makes me have a worry feeling for the rest of the day but other than that I get massive pumps.

awesome to hear. the tingling is from beta alanine and is normal (says it right on the label) :)

[Burlz77]

NO SHOTGUN V.3 , Black Cherry , sooo goood, crazzy pumps and the tingling is great.

[adaddy919]

i just got animal stak andwow! i am not one to exaggerate anything trust me. this stuff is sweet. i couldnt even stretch my arms all the way after my bicep workout. i have tried other products . (black powder, n.o xplode, six star preworkout, superpump 250) and this is by far my fav.

[nalder89]

hi people for bb first i wanna introduce my self as am still learning fro this worl i dont claim to know aalot but all the information that am about to give is true 100% honesty and that what people what so they dont waste there money so here is how it goes i started to take supplements 5 years ago i have try many name brands of products for N.O boosters nothing work better to my body that N.O XPLOED FROM BSN PRODUCTS i was never try it a supplement ever i was a former wrestler in hig school for 2years and half never too0k no supps at until i graduated from it when i start taking n.o xploed i was alreaddy have been working out for 1year than after that i started to wonder why i wasent big like the other dudes in the gym well i had a friend already that had taken suppplenments before so he introduce me to n.o xploed so the first time i took it it was insane because i had never try anything before so i really like the feeling the focus that brings to the work out the pumps are just wonderful but one thing a have learn that great pumps are from a great diet also and the supplements just give there boost when the body needs it when i start taking n.o xploed i was around 102lbs than in the first month went from 102lb to 115 than after that i hit a plateu that i knew that it was maybe need it to take another supplements out there i did my reserch only at that time i came a cross to nitrix wich it was there brand new product i stack it with the cellmass from the same company than i went from 115lb to 130 in just couple of months i guess my point is that this stuff works but takes time to really kick in i did try another n.o boosters the funny thign is that i always end up coming back to n.o xploed because honestly i cant train with out so yeah N.O xploed is the best stuff out there hands down the minute you try it you will a diferent work out overall try give it a shot.




mr.cuts

yo whassup, yeah me and my cousin were both on NO xplode by BSN, it was pretty good, but i wanted to try somethin different so i got on superpump 250, it was maybe a tiny bit better, i think mostly just different. then I tried some of my bro's Black Powder, by MRI. stuff was intense. not a bad intense, or a crazy one, but i felt GOOD, not sick, almost like.. healthy, after my workout. then i remembered someone talking about StarChem Labs, so i bought some of their Armageddon from amazon. little did i know i bought the old stuff. they came out with a BLACK bottle, revamped, less carbs, and better taste (supposedly, still waiting for it to come in the mail). i used the nasty stuff yesterday and today, not an unusual amount of energy, but mad strength. it's not like a standard NO product, cause it's not arginine based. check out their website and give 'em a call, they don't mind explaining it. oh, and DEFFINTLY get on some Beta Alanine. if you want to know what it is, or any questions about it, hit me up, i'll try to get back to you with an email address. (don't want to post it for everyone to see, ya know?) but yeah, beta alanine is off the chain.

[LoweRider]

i just got animal stak andwow! i am not one to exaggerate anything trust me. this stuff is sweet. i couldnt even stretch my arms all the way after my bicep workout. i have tried other products . (black powder, n.o xplode, six star preworkout, superpump 250) and this is by far my fav.

Universal makes great products, but there are way too many pills to swallow in each pack.

My vote is for BSN's N.O. Xplode

[Lifter4Life59]

i just got animal stak andwow! i am not one to exaggerate anything trust me. this stuff is sweet. i couldnt even stretch my arms all the way after my bicep workout. i have tried other products . (black powder, n.o xplode, six star preworkout, superpump 250) and this is by far my fav.

Just a question, does anyone know the difference between stak and pump? They both are supposed to be taken 30 minutes before workout but stak is also taken on off training days, so whats the difference between the two products and which would you guys recommend? Reps will be dished out (even though i dont have many lol)

[hornetzdl24]

im going 2 start endurance training for football around may so ill rele be able to gauge the epo technology in the dark rage for now tho its one of the only things i havent rele noticed so much out of all the things in dark rage. the pumps are good but im assuming thts more the AAKG nd stuff. ill post back in may 2 see how i feel once i start running after my workouts.

[hornetzdl24]

o and i was also wondering has any1 tried usp labs Jack3d? usp labs is prob one of the better brands out there right now, and i was looking for some feed back on jack3d, from wut ive heard it sounds pretty legit.

[bayareamac]

is superpump 250 good? or n.o xplode ?

[fischetti]

is superpump 250 good? or n.o xplode ?

Superpumpis a better pump product,No xplode is a better energy product.

[enswalters]

Just a question, does anyone know the difference between stak and pump? They both are supposed to be taken 30 minutes before workout but stak is also taken on off training days, so whats the difference between the two products and which would you guys recommend? Reps will be dished out (even though i dont have many lol)

Pump is supposed to be taken every day as well. It's a creatine/NO/energy product all in one. Doesn't need to be cycled.

Stak is a anabolic hormone product, taken every day for 21 days, then it's recommended to cycle off for 7 days.

I just started taking both of them, so I can't really give a recommendation. Figured I'd try them out and see how they compare to some of the other products I've tried.

[Lifter4Life59]

Pump is supposed to be taken every day as well. It's a creatine/NO/energy product all in one. Doesn't need to be cycled.

Stak is a anabolic hormone product, taken every day for 21 days, then it's recommended to cycle off for 7 days.

I just started taking both of them, so I can't really give a recommendation. Figured I'd try them out and see how they compare to some of the other products I've tried.

Thanks bro, will rep once i spread more

[Turboboy]

SuperPump 250 and Plasma Jet hands down Gaspari nutrition has got it on lockdown

I agree although I haven't tried any other products in this category. I just know it works. LOL

[Warneckutz]

Just a question, does anyone know the difference between stak and pump? They both are supposed to be taken 30 minutes before workout but stak is also taken on off training days, so whats the difference between the two products and which would you guys recommend? Reps will be dished out (even though i dont have many lol)


Pump is supposed to be taken every day as well. It's a creatine/NO/energy product all in one. Doesn't need to be cycled.

Stak is a anabolic hormone product, taken every day for 21 days, then it's recommended to cycle off for 7 days.

I just started taking both of them, so I can't really give a recommendation. Figured I'd try them out and see how they compare to some of the other products I've tried.

The combination is great. I'm two days away from finishing Stak (which reminds me I need to place an order for more).
I've been doing that combination (along with a few other Animal products) and I've noticed an increase in strength and lifting endurance in the last three weeks even though I've begun to limit my carb intake.

Just my $.02

-Ant

[JonR2006]

I have tused BSN noxplode and SP250 and i liked noxplode better. I thought noxplode worked faster and tasted better. I have heard great results from Universal Shock Therapy as well.

[rugby_mike]

Plasmajet seems to work the best for me in terms of what I expect NO to do: (pump,veins poppin',endurance,etc). I still use NoXplode cuz that stuff wakes me up and gets me out the door to the gym but I also notice a lot of you like the White Flood....I tried a sample of it and it seemed pretty damn good. Might make the switch from xPlode to the Flood soon.

[BrandonSch]

AST's Anabolic Rush alone was the best N.O. producing product for me.

Beat all other powders and pills.... let alone I've taken some brands' pre-workouts with N.O. pills and still seen zero effects.

[Floyd.77]

It's the first time I'm trying a NO product and the one I'm testing now is CL White Flood. I have just finished my second week of WF and all I can say is that it works. I've been having more energy at the gym and pumps are amazing. But I want to test the others and I chose Superpump 250 and/or NO Explode to be the next one(s). Maybe a crazy idea but what do you guys think of taking both together? Like SP in one day and NO explode in the other for example? What's the point? I don't know, maybe someone comes with an answer...

[Duckem100]

100% black powder

[filo01]

green tea & 1 glass of red wine a night

[BOOSTEDDUDE]

It's the first time I'm trying a NO product and the one I'm testing now is CL White Flood. I have just finished my second week of WF and all I can say is that it works. I've been having more energy at the gym and pumps are amazing. But I want to test the others and I chose Superpump 250 and/or NO Explode to be the next one(s). Maybe a crazy idea but what do you guys think of taking both together? Like SP in one day and NO explode in the other for example? What's the point? I don't know, maybe someone comes with an answer...

I've been taking two different pre-workout NO's for about 1 year now. I do one one day and then the other one the next. I never mix them on the same day though. Seems to work pretty good and keep the tolerances in check.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Plasmajet seems to work the best for me in terms of what I expect NO to do: (pump,veins poppin',endurance,etc). I still use NoXplode cuz that stuff wakes me up and gets me out the door to the gym but I also notice a lot of you like the White Flood....I tried a sample of it and it seemed pretty damn good. Might make the switch from xPlode to the Flood soon.
thanks for giving white flood a shot, you will love it :)

It's the first time I'm trying a NO product and the one I'm testing now is CL White Flood. I have just finished my second week of WF and all I can say is that it works. I've been having more energy at the gym and pumps are amazing. But I want to test the others and I chose Superpump 250 and/or NO Explode to be the next one(s). Maybe a crazy idea but what do you guys think of taking both together? Like SP in one day and NO explode in the other for example? What's the point? I don't know, maybe someone comes with an answer... sweet, glad your enjoying WF

[imsotheman]

I didnt see this anywhere in the thread, then again I didnt cruise all the pages...

I have samples from almost all of them and the best one of the 3 I have had

muscletech NAnoX9
white flood
Universal Shock Therapy

was universal's shock therapy it was completely insane ... I worked out harder than I knew I could and kept the volume from that workout for over 2 days...

[jjd6290]

cellucor M5, NO

[passon13aimcom]

Currently using BSN Nitrix.
i was thinking about buying nitrix. i currently take no xplode. should i get the nitrix?

[Suprsizeme]

best N.O. product without caffeine?

[Rockdsn]

Shotgun. Without a doubt. I have taken all three, and to me, there is a HUGE difference to me in pump, size, strength, and muscle endurance.



so shall i order bsn no explode, superpump 250or vpx no shotgun



thanks

[Rockdsn]

Without caffeine...I would try either Myogenix Hyper Shock - Cherry Bomb (That is the only flavor that is caffeine free) or Dymatize Xpand.


best N.O. product without caffeine?

[Rockdsn]

Dude....forget Nitrix. Try Axis Labs Hemodraulix. That stuff is sick. Awesome pumps...plus you only have to take it on the days you lift. Unlike, Nitrix, were you have to take 3 pills...3 times a day.



i was thinking about buying nitrix. i currently take no xplode. should i get the nitrix?

[codyking123]

NO shotgun v3 is a very effective, but very expensive product, it offers a boost in strength, with more power aswell as endurance, but the pumps you get off of this product are unbeatable. It also doesn't make you gasey like NO xplode. This is a very good product, id say one of the best of its kind, but it costs about 75-80$ at any local GNC store.

[Rockdsn]

GNC is what is expensive. Buy your products online. MUCH cheaper.


NO shotgun v3 is a very effective, but very expensive product, it offers a boost in strength, with more power aswell as endurance, but the pumps you get off of this product are unbeatable. It also doesn't make you gasey like NO xplode. This is a very good product, id say one of the best of its kind, but it costs about 75-80$ at any local GNC store.

[Kongo74]

GNC is what is expensive. Buy your products online. MUCH cheaper.

For real, GNC pumps their prices more than the products pump you. 5 LB of ON Whey is $60 in GNC, and $43 on BB.com

BB.com is the cheapest source, their shipping is very very reasonable, and they ship very quick!

[AlphaBrass01]

For real, GNC pumps their prices more than the products pump you. 5 LB of ON Whey is $60 in GNC, and $43 on BB.com

BB.com is the cheapest source, their shipping is very very reasonable, and they ship very quick!

I have occasionally spotted a couple cheaper deals than bb.com, but not much cheaper ever. Also, the shipping is AWESOME. I have never been as happy with shipping from a site on a consistent basis. That includes all merchandising sites I've purchased from, not just supp stores.

[Jhead710]

I was wondering the real differences between the two products: Cellucor M5 Extreme and MRI Black Powder. I didn't know if they could be taken together for a real result difference or if you could use one and be just fine. At the moment I have the Cellucor and use that but I was thinking about picking up some Black Powder from GNC as well as it's buy one get one on their website with free shipping ha and i've been wanting to try it out. Respond Back Please

[bjjbadboy]

so im thinking superpump or white flood from what i heard...I used to use MRP's NO/creatine combo and had really good results from it.

im looking for a NO that has creatine as well in it, thing is im not looking to put on water weight just get stronger and of coarse pumped, i cant afford to gain weight cause its tough making weight already. also can i use a fat burner w/ these, i was told only take the fat burner in the am b/c its a diaretic and an NO uses water so they will off set each other

[henryrox]

What do you need to make weight for?

[ricka182]

Just ordered a free sample of White Flood, and also Purple Wrath....going to try them with my first workout on my new gym....if all goes well, I'll put in a full order for both, along with GreenMag, stay with color for a while....

[lqcorsa]

so im thinking superpump or white flood from what i heard...I used to use MRP's NO/creatine combo and had really good results from it.

Dude...just to give you a little advice, I'd DEFINETLY forget about SuperPump 250. There's a good chance you'll discover it's "better-known-as" name: 'SuperDUMP', and you'll be crapping your pants and feel like throwing up mid-set. If you really want SuperPump I'll send you my container that I have sitting WAY back in my cupboard with 3/4 left in it for 1/2 price. The pump isn't all that great either, especially compared to White Flood. It's probably the worst thing I've ever ingested.

You may want to consider Animal Pump from Universal Nutrition. Out of all the supplements I've taken (naNO vapor, n.o.-xplode, altered state, sp250, white flood, animal pump), Animal Pump beats them all. It comes in a container with little baggies of pre-packaged pills and includes NO, Creatine, AntiOxidents, and cell volumizers. The only downsides to this product are:

-Can't take with or close to other meals. (Supplement must be digested on an empty stomach, otherwise it'll mix with food in your system unlike a drink)

-Takes 4-5 days to work it's way into your system, again, being in pill form is the cause of this. Must take every day to maintain its presence in you.

-Barely being able to bend your limbs after a workout because of the EXTREME pump it gives you. :P

[Warneckutz]

I was wondering the real differences between the two products: Cellucor M5 Extreme and MRI Black Powder. I didn't know if they could be taken together for a real result difference or if you could use one and be just fine. At the moment I have the Cellucor and use that but I was thinking about picking up some Black Powder from GNC as well as it's buy one get one on their website with free shipping ha and i've been wanting to try it out. Respond Back Please

I don't know much about the M5. I tried a few samples and didn't notice much. I didn't respond to the Black Powder either though after a week or so, I even tried 3 scoops a few times to see if there would be any noticeable differences but no luck.

My favorite picks are CL's White Flood (powder and pills) and Universal's Animal Pump. Both products never seem to require extra doses and they deliver each time for me.

[Suprsizeme]

Without caffeine...I would try either Myogenix Hyper Shock - Cherry Bomb (That is the only flavor that is caffeine free) or Dymatize Xpand.

thanks..i dont see caffeine in the myogenix but the dymatize has caffeine

[Samsdaddy0525]

Dude...just to give you a little advice, I'd DEFINETLY forget about SuperPump 250. There's a good chance you'll discover it's "better-known-as" name: 'SuperDUMP', and you'll be crapping your pants and feel like throwing up mid-set. If you really want SuperPump I'll send you my container that I have sitting WAY back in my cupboard with 3/4 left in it for 1/2 price. The pump isn't all that great either, especially compared to White Flood. It's probably the worst thing I've ever ingested.

You may want to consider Animal Pump from Universal Nutrition. Out of all the supplements I've taken (naNO vapor, n.o.-xplode, altered state, sp250, white flood, animal pump), Animal Pump beats them all. It comes in a container with little baggies of pre-packaged pills and includes NO, Creatine, AntiOxidents, and cell volumizers. The only downsides to this product are:

-Can't take with or close to other meals. (Supplement must be digested on an empty stomach, otherwise it'll mix with food in your system unlike a drink)

-Takes 4-5 days to work it's way into your system, again, being in pill form is the cause of this. Must take every day to maintain its presence in you.

-Barely being able to bend your limbs after a workout because of the EXTREME pump it gives you. :P

Personally, I think SuperPump 250 is one of the best pre workout supplements on the market and the only one I know of that has been university tested twice in double blind studies.

Their older formula caused some gastric distress but there are not many people I know of who still complain about it. But, these N.O. products can affect us all a bit differently.

I highly recommend Gaspari's SuperPump 250 or Optimum Nutrition's Vassive N.O. I am currently taking Vassive and am very pleased with the results. Focus, pump, strength and vascularity have all improved. Great value too.

[bjjbadboy]

thanks for all the advice guys...everybody has something different to say about everything its so hard to make chocies... i dont really like the idea of having to take pills everyday even on non work out days, i need to remain flexable too... when i took mrp's no i felt like i couldnt move my limbs sometimes to.. i have heard bad things about no explode like it just bloats you with water muscles.. im just looking to stay strong maybe gain a little size stay very vascular..

lately i have been taking 1000mg of Larginine and a caffine pill before lifting and it helps but deff need a good supp too.

everybody seems happy with white flood huh

oh and im not to worried about extreme dumping, my stomach is so f'd up that i dont poop for days so that would be a big help...just dont want to be sick when training or lifting..

making weight for torney's and fights

[Warneckutz]

I'm a big advocate of trying new products and I've still yet to even try a sample of the NO-Shotgun. I noticed BB.com is offering the BUY 2, GET 1 FREE deal...

Does anyone have any suggestions on which flavor I should get?

[Rockdsn]

There are two types of Dymatize Xpand. Energized Xpand, has the caffeine. Xpand, is caffeine free.


thanks..i dont see caffeine in the myogenix but the dymatize has caffeine

[Rockdsn]

Watermelon is pretty good. That is the lastest flavor I have. I have tried them all, except for the Bubblegum Grape.

Black Cherry is not bad either.



I'm a big advocate of trying new products and I've still yet to even try a sample of the NO-Shotgun. I noticed BB.com is offering the BUY 2, GET 1 FREE deal...

Does anyone have any suggestions on which flavor I should get?

[Straitup562000]

I agree, super pump 250 is a miracle... The first time I took this product I was a bit nervous, after about 10 minutes or so I could feel it workin. I was pumped up and couldn't wait to get to the gym. When I got there I was pumped and ready (like never before) I received great pumps.

I did notice a couple small side effects. I was a little light headed after a set, slight headaches later that night.... Anyone else notice this????

Other than that, the results outweigh the side effects.

No but my brain did kinda have a fuzzy feel. Would not call it dizzy though. And yea im trying that stuff now. Only 2 days in. I have not felt like I got a bad workout from it. And the pump was good. Put it this way, today I was like on 3 hours sleep and was not in the mood. Took it, and worked out well. So it got me in the mode for sure. As far as gains will see over time.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Just ordered a free sample of White Flood, and also Purple Wrath....going to try them with my first workout on my new gym....if all goes well, I'll put in a full order for both, along with GreenMag, stay with color for a while....
awesome, you will love them.

I don't know much about the M5. I tried a few samples and didn't notice much. I didn't respond to the Black Powder either though after a week or so, I even tried 3 scoops a few times to see if there would be any noticeable differences but no luck.

My favorite picks are CL's White Flood (powder and pills) and Universal's Animal Pump. Both products never seem to require extra doses and they deliver each time for me.
thanks for your vote for white flood :)

[theshoupguy]

Tried NaNO Vapor, NO-xplode, NaNOx9, and SuperPump 250... and the only one that ever did anything and didn't kill my digestive system (and focus at the gym) was NO-xplode. Barely saw anything from x9 (aside from taking way too many pills), and SuperDump and Vapor both tore my system up big time.

Definitely thinking of switching to Cellucor's M5 once this last container of NO-xplode is gone though. Maybe even alternating it with White Flood as well, just to get the best of both worlds and keep tolerance at an absolute minimum.

[MrAnaconda]

For me White Flood . And White Blood at bedtime. Awesome products.

[-=Zeus=-!]

Have Shock Therapy, barely feel any pump at all... But my energy does last longer and it takes me longer before i feel sore....

Tried sample of superpump250, didnt feel any differnet, course that was because it was only a 1/2 serving i guess..

[Nickkk2]

I haven't seen many or any reviews of Pride Nutrition's Ammuniton. I want to start on this product but I just want to see first if it is worth it. Has anyone used this product? here's the the over view of it

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/pride/amm.html

I'm deciding between that and bsn nitrix but I've heard some bad things about nitrix so i don't think i want to take it.

[Jag24]

I keep hearing about white flood so I decided to try it. Today was my first day working out with it. I did back and shoulders. I really didn't feel much of anything except a little upset stomach. I usually take sp250 and always feel ready to go and def get stronger. My lifts always go up. Db bench press is up to 105's for 7reps. Good pumps too. I have been takin it for a while so I decided to try white flood hopefully it's just because it was my first day on it. Tomorrow is chest and arms we'll see how it goes.

[furyhockey]

I would say White flood gave me insane pumps literally where you can't curl all the way because it almost hurts. Also BSN Nitrix was phenomenal.

[NavyBuc79]

I've been using SP 250 for 2 weeks now after never using any pre-workout supplement before. I have nothing but good things to say. I dont have any gas or intestinal problems with it and it definitely gets me PUMPED while im in the gym to get the most out of my workout.

I plan on trying different pre W/O supps since I am new to serious weightlifting. NO-Explode and White Flood will be the next 2 I try, but I know SP250 works for me.

[BOOSTEDDUDE]

I've been using SP 250 for 2 weeks now after never using any pre-workout supplement before. I have nothing but good things to say. I dont have any gas or intestinal problems with it and it definitely gets me PUMPED while im in the gym to get the most out of my workout.

I plan on trying different pre W/O supps since I am new to serious weightlifting. NO-Explode and White Flood will be the next 2 I try, but I know SP250 works for me.

Cool/Cool. I just ordered my first jug of SP250 Lemon Flavor. I was impressed with my sample that bb sent with my last order. Eventually, I'll have tried darn near every pre-workout NO drink on the market! I need to cycle off NO's for a week or so since I've been taking them pretty steady for months on end.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

For me White Flood . And White Blood at bedtime. Awesome products.sweet :)


I keep hearing about white flood so I decided to try it. Today was my first day working out with it. I did back and shoulders. I really didn't feel much of anything except a little upset stomach. I usually take sp250 and always feel ready to go and def get stronger. My lifts always go up. Db bench press is up to 105's for 7reps. Good pumps too. I have been takin it for a while so I decided to try white flood hopefully it's just because it was my first day on it. Tomorrow is chest and arms we'll see how it goes. if you have been on stim products for a while before taking it, you need to cycle off for at least 10 days before starting. also, you can take it with a rice cake or granola bar if your stomach is sensitive to the ingredients


I would say White flood gave me insane pumps literally where you can't curl all the way because it almost hurts. Also BSN Nitrix was phenomenal.
awesome to hear :)

[djjroc]

Well, I am rather new to these as well. I am 33 years old, 175lbs, and have always been a "hard gainer". And yes, I have got my diet in order now, and greatly increased my protein intake. So far so good.

I have, so far, tried PlasmaJet along with Animal Stak, & Superpump250 (blue rasberry) along with Novedex XT. They both worked pretty good, but the plasma seemed to give me the best pump, and the superpump sometimes gave me the superdump syndrome that some other people have reported. The PlasmaJet just made my burps taste horrible. Not sure what to try next. Trying to find which one works best for me. Was looking at NANO Vapor, NO Shotgun, or NO Xplode but heard they taste horrible and gritty and I don't really want to chew my drinks.

While doing some research, I stumbled upon a product called Super NOX from Americeutical Nutritionals that is supposed to have superdrol in it. Sounds like a pretty good product. Just wondering if anyone has heard of or actually tried it, and their thoughts on it. I have, however, read some mixed reviews/comments on supredrol though.

Thoughts?...

[presser83]

so im back on the no xplode off of the white flood. white flood=ten times better

[Jessethebody1]

I have tried No-Explode, No-Shotgun, Nanox9, Nano Vapor, SuperPump250, Primal, Plasma Jet, Nitrix, White Flood, Armageddon, And probably a couple more but these are all it can think of right now.
Anyways the best for me was Primal by PrimaForce Plasma Jet by Gaspari Nutrition, and SuperPump250. But when i was on Plasma Jet and SuperPump250 at the same time i would take Plasma about 1 hour and 1/2 before i trained and SuperPump about 20 minutes or so before training and those were the best pumps i have ever got in my life.. I hear a lot of great things about Anabolic Pump, and Jacked but i haven't tried them so i can't say.

[bballcatcher]

I started with MRI NO2 and then tried the following...

Universal NOX3
Pinnacle NOX
Pinnacle NOX nighttime
MT Pumptech
BSN NO explode (super caffiene rush within 20-30min)

...and went back to MRI NO2. It might be expensive $100.00 for 300 tabs,
but for me, it does the job. I use one bottle a month. Like most things in life, you get what you pay for.

I would have to agree with him. I like the MRI NO2 and N3O stack is a nice boost. especially after 3 weeks of use, thats when it really hits you. Its a little high in price though for both.

[ko_kidd]

The "pumps" from White Flood are pretty good.

Sometimes I feel like I can crank out heavier sets, sometimes it just makes every part of my body tingle/itch.


I tried it with Purple Wrath and tried them both separately but I didn't get much of anything from Purple Wrath.

Anyone still use Purple Wrath?

[JohnDoeNumba1]

Well, I've been trying to get smart on some N.O. products and figured this would be a good place to post this. I'm "cutting" right now and looking for a good N.O. product to use. Everyone has their own opinions on what's "best", but I've narrowed my search down to either N.O. Shotgun v3 or White Flood. I've read great reviews for WF but I really like the ingredients included with the Shotgun. My questions is...which would you guys/girls recommend while on a cut (if any). Only thing that has me second guessing Shotgun is the Creatine in it...I really want to avoid any bloating or water retention. Any opinions, suggestions or recommendations would be greatly aprreciated. Thanks everyone!

[TheBigRigatoni]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=115575691

How about trying this out for a NO2

[500bench]

I would not use Nitrix as a pre-workout.. Definitely stack it with something. I did a double cycle with nitrix and post-workout just felt huge.. I definitely think nitrix allowed me to do those extra heavy and late reps

[Jeph77]

Does Noxplode have creatine mono in it ? i heard that somewhere just checking ..

[Brooklyn77]

Super Pump 250 And Animal Pump...

[Chaoticdonkey]

I haven't taken many NO products but as of rite now SuperPump 250 is doing wonders.

[RyeRye]

I love Presurge from Athletic Edge Nutrition! works for me!!!

[embesh]

I have been taking Universal Nutrition Animal Pump for 2 months. Id say if you take it every day, it works pretty good. I feel pretty swollen in the gym.
Im almost out and would like to try universals nitro. I have the Storm now so thats more of a creatine. I went with storm cause of the amount in it. 80 servings.

[BfloBoogeyman]

I'm currentley using NO xplode. I've tried a few other pre-workout NO products (such as Nano Vapor which isn't any good), but nothing comes close to it.

I'm considering taking either Nutrex Niox or BSN Nitrix. Anyone have any feedback on either?

[kappaz]

Smash Fully Loaded + Hemodraulix. Nothing will deliver better pumps.

[djjroc]

Just picked up White Flood today. Seems to get pretty good reviews everywhere I've looked.

Today is my off day, but I had to try it at work just to see how it tastes. Uhhhh....not good!...haha Oh well, as long as it works. Gave me good energy, and even made me a little tingly! Might try some green magnitude to stack with it.

Tried PlasmaJet and SP250. Both worked good. PlasmaJet was awesome for me. Superdump...had to do two scoops to get anything close to the plasma, but the tub just doesn't last long at two scoops per serving. Not worth the money if you have to use it like that. Maybe its just me, everyone's different right?

[Parker225]

Tried VAPOR for the first time a week ago.. 1 scoop on an empty stomach, just like it says and i felt nothing.. talked to my trainer, he said move up to two scoops.. did it and about 10 minutes into my workout it felt like someone sprayed gas on my socks and lit my feet on fire. not a pleasant feeling.

just my 2 cents

[djjroc]

felt like someone sprayed gas on my socks and lit my feet on fire.


LOL.....that's how the Flood made me feel

[nalder89]

try black powder by MRI. I've tried no xplode and superpump 250, they were ok, but nothing like black powder. oh, and nitrix isn't a pre workout NO product. don't know where you guys got that idea from.... right now i'm on armageddon by starchem labs, the NEW stuff. old tub tastes like puke on steroids. Noticing quite a big pump from it. gonna go back to black powder when this stuff runs out though, I just feel "healthy" after taking it, not shaky or sick feeling like the other NO products.

[MrAnaconda]

Hey boog. I use to take nitrix years ago. It's decent. But gave me headaches.. even with drinking almost 2 gallons of water. Plus all the pills got annoying.

[arshah]

try black powder by MRI. I've tried no xplode and superpump 250, they were ok, but nothing like black powder. oh, and nitrix isn't a pre workout NO product. don't know where you guys got that idea from.... right now i'm on armageddon by starchem labs, the NEW stuff. old tub tastes like puke on steroids. Noticing quite a big pump from it. gonna go back to black powder when this stuff runs out though, I just feel "healthy" after taking it, not shaky or sick feeling like the other NO products.


looking to try black powder, both superpump and no xplode didnt work good for me, currently on shotgun, what does the black powder taste like and hows the mixability

[Warneckutz]

Super Pump 250 And Animal Pump...

I tried that combination today for my back workout. I believe the Animal Pump did its part, I didn't get much from the SuperPump, but the orange flavor is one of the better tasting drinks (energy, protein, nitric, etc...) in my opinion. I've given out samples to some of my gym members and they love the taste.

Maybe SP250 provides me better focus? Not sure. I'm still a huge fan of White Flood and I'm a very huge fan of combining Animal Pump with White Flood.

[RMShootz]

My biggest suggestion to everyone is, why change what works "Right". But for some of us in the military on a budget, this is what works for me and is cheaper then most of your bigger named products as BSN, Gaspari etc...

"NOW's"
3 grams of L-Arginine stacked w/
1 gram of Ornithine

For me, this gives me a great pump, especially when Im doin inclined dumbell curls, my veins in my forearms look like their gonna explode!!!

Im not down playin BSN NO-Explode, its a damn great product and worked great for me as well, but the price is a lil over the top for us on a budget. Also it says, serving size 1 scoop. This works for like the 1st week, then you need to take 2 scoops to feel the pump you felt the 1st week so on and so on. Plus my own experiences with NO-Explode, it started really messing with my stomach after the 2nd week.

If you do come over some cash, Try Muscle Tech's Nano Vapor. This stuff really got me goin in the gym within minutes. Dont be alarmed either when your body starts to warm up intensely.

[RMShootz]

If I was to use L-Arginine in powder form. How much should I take in daily?
I would take 3 grams 30min prior to your workout and then i would take 1 gram before you go to bed.

[brodyracer]

I have taken all of the big name NO products. (NO-explode, black powder, Superpump 250, NANO Vapor)

Out of all of those I would have to say that the NANO vapor by Muscle Tech is the best. Why? Well because NO explode only works really well for about the first week, and then it sucks. Black Powder works really well but I work out late at night and the effects last WAY to long. Super Pump was also not that bad.

But NANO Vapor was over the best because it hits the hardest and the fastest. The pump that I get from NANO is absolutly insane!!! And it is great for me because it hits so hard and so fast the effects wear off in about 2 and 1/2 hours which is perfect. One down side to it is that it tastes awful, muscle tech really needs to work on that. I have already gone through two of the big tubs of it and my body still gets the same reaction from the first time that I used it.

Hope that was good enough

[Shmelt35]

NO shotgun, gets your muscles pumped and maintains focus throughout workout

[enswalters]

I have taken all of the big name NO products. (NO-explode, black powder, Superpump 250, NANO Vapor)

Out of all of those I would have to say that the NANO vapor by Muscle Tech is the best. Why? Well because NO explode only works really well for about the first week, and then it sucks. Black Powder works really well but I work out late at night and the effects last WAY to long. Super Pump was also not that bad.

But NANO Vapor was over the best because it hits the hardest and the fastest. The pump that I get from NANO is absolutly insane!!! And it is great for me because it hits so hard and so fast the effects wear off in about 2 and 1/2 hours which is perfect. One down side to it is that it tastes awful, muscle tech really needs to work on that. I have already gone through two of the big tubs of it and my body still gets the same reaction from the first time that I used it.

Hope that was good enough

Why is it that the only people who endorse MuscleTech products have 1 or 2 posts? Is it because people with more than that realize what a ripoff those products are?

[Money Shot]

USP Labs Jacked. no contest. I've tried everything else

[Lean-N-Mass]

Why is it that the only people who endorse MuscleTech products have 1 or 2 posts? Is it because people with more than that realize what a ripoff those products are?

Good Call man, I've heard several times from friends or people on this thread that Nano vapor dont do sh*t

[CONTROLLED LABS]

so im back on the no xplode off of the white flood. white flood=ten times better
glad to hear it. have you tried any others? did you take white flood powder or tablets?

The "pumps" from White Flood are pretty good.

Sometimes I feel like I can crank out heavier sets, sometimes it just makes every part of my body tingle/itch.


I tried it with Purple Wrath and tried them both separately but I didn't get much of anything from Purple Wrath.

Anyone still use Purple Wrath?
yeah, popular combination for sure. purple wraath is the best selling intraworkout product on bb.com:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/goalintraworkouttop.htm

[djjroc]

Lovin the Flood so far! Way better than SP250, and no mid set dumps! lol Just picked up Green Mag too, but I'm wondering if it is better taken pre or post workout. Says to go either way on the directions. Also, should it be taken on off days as well? Thoughts?....

I possibly see some Wraath in my future too! My first time with CL products. Good stuff guys!

[MrAnaconda]

Yup WF kicks major booty. As far as Green Mag goes, i like it much better 30 min pre workout (and anytime on non workout days). You will love PW also.

[djjroc]

nice, thx! PW...lol...is best taken during, or post? I think that one said you can go either way also.

[Barn01]

I have taken all of the big name NO products. (NO-explode, black powder, Superpump 250, NANO Vapor)

Out of all of those I would have to say that the NANO vapor by Muscle Tech is the best. Why? Well because NO explode only works really well for about the first week, and then it sucks. Black Powder works really well but I work out late at night and the effects last WAY to long. Super Pump was also not that bad.

But NANO Vapor was over the best because it hits the hardest and the fastest. The pump that I get from NANO is absolutly insane!!! And it is great for me because it hits so hard and so fast the effects wear off in about 2 and 1/2 hours which is perfect. One down side to it is that it tastes awful, muscle tech really needs to work on that. I have already gone through two of the big tubs of it and my body still gets the same reaction from the first time that I used it.

Hope that was good enough



+1

I feel exactly the same way about NaNO Vapor. Dude try the blueberry fusion ... it's like drinking candy ... sooooo good!

[shaneee]

there is none NO products that really work good enough for their cost even if cheap, but best would be white flood and worst is N.O.-xplode...no xplode is DEFINATELY the worst product ever made.

[Warneckutz]

Lovin the Flood so far! Way better than SP250, and no mid set dumps! lol Just picked up Green Mag too, but I'm wondering if it is better taken pre or post workout. Says to go either way on the directions. Also, should it be taken on off days as well? Thoughts?....

I possibly see some Wraath in my future too! My first time with CL products. Good stuff guys!

*I* take a scoop of Green MAG both pre and post workout, just to make sure. I think I've seen better gains through that method (not sure if that's overkill or not, but it works for my body type). I also take it on "off days", but my "off days" consist of some sort of cardio and/or ab routine, I can't go a day without doing something!

I'm sure you'll like the Purple Wraath. Controlled Labs makes an amazing group of products (I'd put them in my top three, along with Universal and Optimum Nutrition). A CL rep would definitely be able to confirm this but I think you can freeze PW into some sort of popsicle and it actually tastes pretty good, a nice treat anytime.

Anyway, best of luck!

-Ant

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Lovin the Flood so far! Way better than SP250, and no mid set dumps! lol Just picked up Green Mag too, but I'm wondering if it is better taken pre or post workout. Says to go either way on the directions. Also, should it be taken on off days as well? Thoughts?....

I possibly see some Wraath in my future too! My first time with CL products. Good stuff guys!
awesome to hear. no need on non workout days. green mag is best preworkout, and it can be mixed in the same shake as white flood. you will love purple wraath. it should be taken intra workout.

Yup WF kicks major booty. As far as Green Mag goes, i like it much better 30 min pre workout (and anytime on non workout days). You will love PW also.


nice, thx! PW...lol...is best taken during, or post? I think that one said you can go either way also.
intra workout.

*I* take a scoop of Green MAG both pre and post workout, just to make sure. I think I've seen better gains through that method (not sure if that's overkill or not, but it works for my body type). I also take it on "off days", but my "off days" consist of some sort of cardio and/or ab routine, I can't go a day without doing something!

I'm sure you'll like the Purple Wraath. Controlled Labs makes an amazing group of products (I'd put them in my top three, along with Universal and Optimum Nutrition). A CL rep would definitely be able to confirm this but I think you can freeze PW into some sort of popsicle and it actually tastes pretty good, a nice treat anytime.

Anyway, best of luck!

-Ant for frozen it would be green mag for off days, since you will have time to enjoy it and not rush it preworkout

[djjroc]

Roger that! Since white and green ar both pre, is it best to take them back to back, or would you suggest some sort of wait time between for better reaction?

[Gillyh]

Roger that! Since white and green ar both pre, is it best to take them back to back, or would you suggest some sort of wait time between for better reaction?

Alot of people take them both together and mixed. I haven't tried it myself but people say it taste pretty good. So I would assume it doesn't matter how long you want to wait.

[shaneee]

Roger that! Since white and green ar both pre, is it best to take them back to back, or would you suggest some sort of wait time between for better reaction?

i'd personally take the green MAG about 40 minutes before workout then the white flood 20 minutes before workout

[2high2die]

The best pump with the most vascularity is hands down a green mag, white flood, nitrix, and glycergrow combo. Nitrix three times day 3 pills each for me. Green mag and white flood one scoop of each 30 minutes prior to your workout. Sometimes two scoops white flood. Glycergrow one scoop thirty minutes before and one scoop minutes before. Dumping it in the mouth hands down. And how could I forgot purple wraath during workout, with one scoop glycergrow. Damn this combo is the ****.

[KFlexing]

I've bought and taken two rounds of NOXplode. I must say that it is very potent and its dosages must be well accounted for. This supplment always seemed to make me feel very lightheaded and sick to the stomach. Don't plan on eating anything within a 2-3 hours of taking this stuff.

SuperPump250 orange mixes nice like a glass of orange juice for breakfast without the rough side effects I recieved from NOXplode. This product puts me in the hypergenic state without the sickness feeling I recieved from NOXplode.

In either product, your stamina and recovery times are obviously going to be much better than not using a nitric product, but if its physical results you are looking for, I wouldn't call these supplements "shredding" complexes.

I have yet to try Green-Mag, Purple Wrath, Nano Vapor, or any others, but I believe I'd eventually like to try Purple Wrath/Green Mag.

[YanksKing]

I have taken several NO products such as: WF, Shotgun, vasocharge, BP, Xplode, Vapor, SP250, Muscle Rush, etc etc... Out of all of those WF, Shotgun and BP worked the best for me. I just recently came off a controlled labs stack with WF and loved it. Always been a fan of shotgun even when it tasted horrible, but now tastes great and works great! BP is awesome it's just really $$$ and thats a big turn off for me. Everyone reacts different to NO productsm you just need to experiment and find what ur body works well with!

I want to try: shock therapy, animal pump, and jacked (i think i would buy two tubs b/c it says 3 scoops pre so that would be 15 servings per container so 2 tubs would give me 30) still

[enswalters]

I tried that combination today for my back workout. I believe the Animal Pump did its part, I didn't get much from the SuperPump, but the orange flavor is one of the better tasting drinks (energy, protein, nitric, etc...) in my opinion. I've given out samples to some of my gym members and they love the taste.

Maybe SP250 provides me better focus? Not sure. I'm still a huge fan of White Flood and I'm a very huge fan of combining Animal Pump with White Flood.

Hmmm, I might have to try stacking Animal Pump and White Flood. WF has given me the best results of any pre-workout product, but I couldn't resist picking up AP with the b2g1 free offer.

[fbmoose48]

BSN's NO Xplode - by far the best rush. I t has a solid pump, a good energy boost and prolonged endurance effects. I augment my 2-scoop serving with 6g AAKG, 2.5g Beta Alanine, 5g Citrulline Malate and 10g Glycerol Mono-stearate to keep the price per dose down since prior to augmentation I had been taking between 4-8 scoops pre-workout, which is a lot of caffeine and a lot of money.

[James243]

BSN's NO Xplode - by far the best rush. I t has a solid pump, a good energy boost and prolonged endurance effects. I augment my 2-scoop serving with 6g AAKG, 2.http://www.1-imageshack.us/img/x/9.gif5g Beta Alanine, 5g Citrulline Malate and 10g Glycerol Mono-stearate to keep the price per dose down since prior to augmentation I had been taking between 4-8 scoops pre-workout, which is a lot of caffeine and a lot of money.
No xplode ftw.

[Warneckutz]

Hmmm, I might have to try stacking Animal Pump and White Flood. WF has given me the best results of any pre-workout product, but I couldn't resist picking up AP with the b2g1 free offer.

I jumped on the b2g1 free as well, very good deal while it lasted. Give it a go a few times and see what you think!

[TI-OG]

Which form of white flood is more effective, the powder or tablet?

I'm currently taking NO-Xplode, and while it does work, its just too inconsistent for me.

[YanksKing]

Which form of white flood is more effective, the powder or tablet?

I'm currently taking NO-Xplode, and while it does work, its just too inconsistent for me.

I felt the powder kicked in faster compared to the tabs, but i'm a powder type of guy for preWO drinks... overall you get 10 more servings for a buck more with the powder compared to the tabs... really up to you both are solid, get a free sample of the tabs then make your choice! GL

[mjwarburton]

The best pump with the most vascularity is hands down a green mag, white flood, nitrix, and glycergrow combo. Nitrix three times day 3 pills each for me. Green mag and white flood one scoop of each 30 minutes prior to your workout. Sometimes two scoops white flood. Glycergrow one scoop thirty minutes before and one scoop minutes before. Dumping it in the mouth hands down. And how could I forgot purple wraath during workout, with one scoop glycergrow. Damn this combo is the ****.

Damn son, that does sound like one hell of a stack, but you must be made outta money. That's hella expensive.

[Straitup562000]

BSN is a good brand but the Nitrix isn't one of there better products. The MRI product sounds good, but I think that you can find something else as good for a LOT cheaper. As far as results, these are both Nitric Oxide boosters. They may give some added energy pre-workout and give you a pump while working out. For more size, etc., use a creatine product.

Yea I take N02 black. But (just starting that.) A tad to much on the coast though. And I have been takingave creatine mono "however its spelled?" for a 1 weel load, and steady about 3 weeks. Ive got a good water pump from creatine. And a tad more strength during that mega first week load dosage. But I worked out in the past, so some of that may have been muscle memory. I went from 155 6 times, (that's the best I could do at the start.) 175 6 times 5 days latter. 185 a week latter, now 205 6 times on bench. Yea 155 6 times to 205 6 times in like 4 weeks.

BUT!!!! And this is a huge butt. Well Not as nice and big as Vida Guerra But!!! I once did like 260 or so. So muscle memory may have had a lot to do with that. I don't expect someone their first time working out ever to jump like that. Unless their doing some major illegal stuff. It takes time and hard work still. For me alot was do to working out before in the past. Some help for sure from creatine. But just pushing hard, and muscle meory.

Anow as far as the N02 Black. I dont know I just heard Shane Mosely took it for a few fights. Not sure how this is, I thought it would be illegal in boxing? But he seems to be in good shape. I reaf about others taking other N0s So I tried it. Just started, so will see.

I was taking Superpump 250. Works decent, nothing major. Same of course goes for No Explode or any of that pre stuff. But it did give some energy and pump. As far as truly building anything muscle better? Not sure? I dont think it was anything you cant get, while going hard without it.

[MrSixNine]

Personally my favorite would have to be MRI's Black Powder - You pump you get is unreal, and the taste is by far the best out there!

That's just me...?

[eng_bodybuilder]

NANO VAPOR is the best

[Warneckutz]

Personally my favorite would have to be MRI's Black Powder - You pump you get is unreal, and the taste is by far the best out there!

That's just me...?

NO products definitely vary from person to person...

I've tried all three flavors of Black Powder and I didn't care for any of them. I felt like I had a pretty decent workout the first time I used BP but it never did much after that even if I threw in an extra scoop or two. I guess it all stems from the ingredients and how they effect an individual.

My tops are CL's White Flood and Universal's Animal Pump. I think the best tasting NO product (or ANY product) is Gaspari's SuperPump 250 in the *orange* flavor...

I've got a friend still searching for an NO product that works for him, I think he's 0/13 or something... now THAT sucks...

[garrettadamsmith]

can you stack gaspari's plasma jet with white flood?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Roger that! Since white and green ar both pre, is it best to take them back to back, or would you suggest some sort of wait time between for better reaction?
mix them together and enjoy 30 minutes pre

The best pump with the most vascularity is hands down a green mag, white flood, nitrix, and glycergrow combo. Nitrix three times day 3 pills each for me. Green mag and white flood one scoop of each 30 minutes prior to your workout. Sometimes two scoops white flood. Glycergrow one scoop thirty minutes before and one scoop minutes before. Dumping it in the mouth hands down. And how could I forgot purple wraath during workout, with one scoop glycergrow. Damn this combo is the ****.
interesting combo. have you tried it without the nitrix?

I've bought and taken two rounds of NOXplode. I must say that it is very potent and its dosages must be well accounted for. This supplment always seemed to make me feel very lightheaded and sick to the stomach. Don't plan on eating anything within a 2-3 hours of taking this stuff.

SuperPump250 orange mixes nice like a glass of orange juice for breakfast without the rough side effects I recieved from NOXplode. This product puts me in the hypergenic state without the sickness feeling I recieved from NOXplode.

In either product, your stamina and recovery times are obviously going to be much better than not using a nitric product, but if its physical results you are looking for, I wouldn't call these supplements "shredding" complexes.

I have yet to try Green-Mag, Purple Wrath, Nano Vapor, or any others, but I believe I'd eventually like to try Purple Wrath/Green Mag.
keep us posted if you start that CL stack, would be interested in your feedback

I have taken several NO products such as: WF, Shotgun, vasocharge, BP, Xplode, Vapor, SP250, Muscle Rush, etc etc... Out of all of those WF, Shotgun and BP worked the best for me. I just recently came off a controlled labs stack with WF and loved it. Always been a fan of shotgun even when it tasted horrible, but now tastes great and works great! BP is awesome it's just really $$$ and thats a big turn off for me. Everyone reacts different to NO productsm you just need to experiment and find what ur body works well with!

I want to try: shock therapy, animal pump, and jacked (i think i would buy two tubs b/c it says 3 scoops pre so that would be 15 servings per container so 2 tubs would give me 30) still
thanks for using white flood and we are glad it worked well for you

Hmmm, I might have to try stacking Animal Pump and White Flood. WF has given me the best results of any pre-workout product, but I couldn't resist picking up AP with the b2g1 free offer.
stick with it if its worked well for you

Which form of white flood is more effective, the powder or tablet?

I'm currently taking NO-Xplode, and while it does work, its just too inconsistent for me.
same formula. powder hits harder/faster but dissipates sooner. tabs last longer and is a sustained energy.

can you stack gaspari's plasma jet with white flood?

sure, but dont think you need to take both simultaneously

[ctAL860]

superpump and white flood

overall id go with white flood.

both great products.

[garrettadamsmith]

has anyone tried to stack white flood with plasma jet? heard great reviews about both, also with plasma jet with sp 250 stacked, seeing if it will work with WF too. if so., which do you recomend, WF with plasma or Sp250 with plasma?

[ctAL860]

has anyone tried to stack white flood with plasma jet? heard great reviews about both, also with plasma jet with sp 250 stacked, seeing if it will work with WF too. if so., which do you recomend, WF with plasma or Sp250 with plasma?

guy........

why would you stack plasma jet with white flood........

why would you stack plasma jet with superpump........

relax man.

[garrettadamsmith]

just asking. because ive seen people do it and get massive gains

[MrAnaconda]

IMO Mix WF with green mag, and chug down a scoop of GG (massive gains and pump). Save your cash on the plasma...

[garrettadamsmith]

so if i take WF and green mag in the same drink. how much water do i need to mix it with? and if i do that do i drink purple wrath while i work out?

[MrAnaconda]

About 12 Oz of water, mixed with WF & GM. And Bingo on the PW.

[Wearwolf51]

NO products definitely vary from person to person...

I've tried all three flavors of Black Powder and I didn't care for any of them. I felt like I had a pretty decent workout the first time I used BP but it never did much after that even if I threw in an extra scoop or two. I guess it all stems from the ingredients and how they effect an individual.

My tops are CL's White Flood and Universal's Animal Pump. I think the best tasting NO product (or ANY product) is Gaspari's SuperPump 250 in the *orange* flavor...

I've got a friend still searching for an NO product that works for him, I think he's 0/13 or something... now THAT sucks...

Tell him to try Epic Performance 4 Nitro Tropic. Best pre-workout/ NO ive tried. And its on special right now- buy 2 get 1.

[Wearwolf51]

has anyone tried to stack white flood with plasma jet? heard great reviews about both, also with plasma jet with sp 250 stacked, seeing if it will work with WF too. if so., which do you recomend, WF with plasma or Sp250 with plasma?

My cousin tried the PJ/250 combo and thought it was overboard. Try plasma jet and a good energy booster and you should be good. Or SP 250 alone that is also a good product. That would give you 2 mos of good NO instead of just one.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

superpump and white flood

overall id go with white flood.

both great products.glad to hear it :)

has anyone tried to stack white flood with plasma jet? heard great reviews about both, also with plasma jet with sp 250 stacked, seeing if it will work with WF too. if so., which do you recomend, WF with plasma or Sp250 with plasma?
sounds like overkill

so if i take WF and green mag in the same drink. how much water do i need to mix it with? and if i do that do i drink purple wrath while i work out?

the amount of water depends only on how strong/flavor you like it. I use 20 ounces for the combo

[mjwarburton]

I'll have some Labrada Super Charge Xtreme NO coming tomorrow. Hoping it will work out as good as the WF. Seems like a good value and has good reviews. If not, will be back to CL.

[TheBigRigatoni]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=315917371#post315917371

[corning_5]

If any of you get a chance try assualt by musclepharm, for me it works witning ten mins, you take one scoop not three(nano vapor or no-explode) and you dont even get the ****s before or after your workout.

[sncaufield]

If any of you get a chance try assualt by musclepharm, for me it works witning ten mins, you take one scoop not three(nano vapor or no-explode) and you dont even get the ****s before or after your workout.

Yeah but the scoop is bigger. There's less servings per tub... so it kinda evens out

[genod4]

IMO Mix WF with green mag, and chug down a scoop of GG (massive gains and pump). Save your cash on the plasma...

What's GG?

[Warneckutz]

What's GG?

GlycerGrow

[Travis Moore]

I tried USP labs Jacked and I gave it away. Totally sucked and made me sick.

[TheBigRigatoni]

I tried USP labs Jacked and I gave it away. Totally sucked and made me sick.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=115575691

[BOOSTEDDUDE]

I'll have some Labrada Super Charge Xtreme NO coming tomorrow. Hoping it will work out as good as the WF. Seems like a good value and has good reviews. If not, will be back to CL.

Right on. I like this stuff because it taste pretty decent and it's very smooth. Overall, I don't get super juiced up but I have nice smooth workouts on Supercharged. I think you'll enjoy it. The upside is this stuff seems to get you lots of servings! I'm currently really enjoying my SP250 for my first time trying it. It really gets me going and I get excellent pumps on SP250.

[flex76]

I've only tried NO-EXPLODE from BSN and that was amazing.
Great pump, loads of energy and I lifted heavier.
My bodyweight went up 9 lbs in just 4 weeks.
It's just sad that I can't get any products like this where I live:-(((

[arshah]

GlycerGrow

whats does clycer grow actually do

[Warneckutz]

whats does clycer grow actually do

"When combined with a high protein/moderate carbohydrate diet, and a solid workout protocol, this product helps give the user increased gains in size, strength and vascularity."

Put it this way, if you were to do the total stack:

White Flood
Green MAGnitude
Purple Wraath
GlycerGrow

You just can't go wrong... I did the stack for awhile and I found amazing gains in strength and size... I'm trying Universal products right now for a change but I believe Controlled Labs has created a stack that set the standard.

[HDawg504]

I finally picked up a bottle of White Flood after reading great reviews on this board. I must say that I am very impressed indeed! I have taken all sorts of N.O. products from N.O. X-Plode, SuperPump, NaNo Vapor, Black Powder and WF has definitely gave me an insane boost. I must admit that i've consistently been using Black Powder since August 08 because of the great pumps I've had, but WF kind of gave me that extra boost. Being a huge fan of Black Powder for awhile, WF may have changed my decision to stick with it. Only thing negative I can think of is just the taste, but it really doesn't bother me as long as it works. Just to sum it up, WF and BP has given the best results for me.

[frankie7]

What's the most effective, best and strongest NO2 pill product?

I'm currently looking at

MRI NO2 Black
NaNOX9 Hardcore
Plasma Jet

I hear Plasma Jet and the new musclemeds eNOXIDE are strong.

Thanks!

[oufinny]

I tried USP labs Jacked and I gave it away. Totally sucked and made me sick.

You have to the be one of the only people I have ever talked to that had a negative experience with Jack3d. How many scoops did you take and do you normally take a full dosage of something else? I switch between Scivation Vasocharge and Jack3d so I don't get too used to one and notice that I really need to full scoops of Jack3d to feel it like I did when I started. Also, sometimes if I am off of it for 3-4 days I come back adn it is like starting new again. Anyways, I can't make you try it again of course I but thought I would give you my 2 cents on it nonetheless.

[Thuirwyne]

Vivaxl

[kitkat12012]

i've been taking NO shotgun for the past week

i think it's amazing, i got my pump fast and i felt like i could lift more

although i did failed to finish some of my reps :(

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=115840881

Anyone want to try PreSurge for FREE, apply in the above thread. PreSurge has many unique attributes, one of them being GlycoCarn(patented ingredient shown to increase NO), russian tarragon extract, creapure, neuravena and much more.

[labradarep]

Right on. I like this stuff because it taste pretty decent and it's very smooth. Overall, I don't get super juiced up but I have nice smooth workouts on Supercharged. I think you'll enjoy it. The upside is this stuff seems to get you lots of servings! I'm currently really enjoying my SP250 for my first time trying it. It really gets me going and I get excellent pumps on SP250.

IMO SuperCharge Xtreme is one of the most under-rated NO products on the market. I love the Blue Raspberry!!!

[db2012]

I prefer NaNOX9, also by Six Star muscle they make one that's a great value and similar to NaNO

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I'll have some Labrada Super Charge Xtreme NO coming tomorrow. Hoping it will work out as good as the WF. Seems like a good value and has good reviews. If not, will be back to CL.
you'll be back :D

I finally picked up a bottle of White Flood after reading great reviews on this board. I must say that I am very impressed indeed! I have taken all sorts of N.O. products from N.O. X-Plode, SuperPump, NaNo Vapor, Black Powder and WF has definitely gave me an insane boost. I must admit that i've consistently been using Black Powder since August 08 because of the great pumps I've had, but WF kind of gave me that extra boost. Being a huge fan of Black Powder for awhile, WF may have changed my decision to stick with it. Only thing negative I can think of is just the taste, but it really doesn't bother me as long as it works. Just to sum it up, WF and BP has given the best results for me.

glad to hear it, thanks for the support :)

[TpriceIsRight]

hey guys, i just registered and this is my first post, hope it helps
I've been lifting for about 2.5 years now and have tried a few different N.O. products. NOexplode was getting good reviews so i decided to give it a shot, and after taking a full container of it i still can't see what the buzz was about. I'd get bad headaches, feel like i was going to throw up and get gassy. I also didn't feel much increase in power or energy.
I then tried NANO vapor and I was impressed. I got orange and it tasted great, i experienced no negative side effects, and my energy went through the roof. I used the NANO vapor for about 12 weeks and the good effects started to diminish, so today i decided to give Cellucor's NO extreme a try.
Hands down this is the best N.O. product ive tried. i went through my full tri's workout and at the time i'm normally exhausted i felt just as fresh as i had when i'd started. I know its only one day and i'll give updates as i continue to use the product, but right now im giving NO extreme the nod for my favorite product.

[enswalters]

hey guys, i just registered and this is my first post, hope it helps

I then tried NANO vapor and I was impressed. I got orange and it tasted great, i experienced no negative side effects, and my energy went through the roof.


It's amazing how the only people who ever have anything positive to say about Nano Vapor - or any other Muscletech product - are people with 1 post.

Nano Vapor is absolute garbage. Might as well take a sleeping pill before you hit the gym.

[Spydertl79]

i've been taking NO shotgun for the past week

i think it's amazing, i got my pump fast and i felt like i could lift more

although i did failed to finish some of my reps :(
Did they ever improve the taste? I tried it 2 years ago and could barely get a whole dose down without gagging.

[zmboda]

Well I must say I'm addicted to CL now... I've been on my GM, WF, PW stack for two weeks, and I've had some of the most pumped energized workouts ever! My forearms felt like they were going to explode after each set of Clean & Presses I performed from the pump. White Flood gets my vote with SuperPump 250 in a close second.
P.S. CL products are by far the best tasting! Thanks CL, I'm hooked!

[24hrMonster]

Super Pump 250 hands down. Good taste and unbelievable pump and energy. Not even worth trying another one. Sold for as low as $35 online too.

Tried Apex NO Extreme and liked it but just couldnt stomach it no matter how hard I tried.

[ckozeluh]

my favorit two are superpump and white flood with shock therapy a very close second all awsome products you can't go wrong with any of them

[jaCovey]

I have tried a lot of NO supplements, But the one that worked best for me was a stack of NO Explode (with the CEM3 delivery) and NItrix. This stack gave me a sick pump, and helped a lot in the recovery phase.

[unitybamf]

the best NO out there is hands down: SuperPump 250. This stuff is like a miracle. Strength and size sky rocket after every use and workout. I compared it to all other NO out there as well. I read alot about all of them and none seem capable of SuperPump 250 results.




im gonnah ave to say between vapor and X-plode... im stuck on x-plode right now. vapor is too much...

[mjwarburton]

Just tried the Labrada Supercharge Xtreme NO. It was alright. It was a leg day so I didn't feel huge pumps. For some reason, I never do with legs as much. I just used one scoop, hoping to make it last 50 servings to compare it to WF. I did feel eneergized throughout. Today is shoulders and traps. We'll see Saturday how well it really works as it is back and biceps and thats where I fatigue the fastest and feel the most pump. So far CL will have a returning customer after this bottle.

[Wearwolf51]

What's the most effective, best and strongest NO2 pill product?

I'm currently looking at

MRI NO2 Black
NaNOX9 Hardcore
Plasma Jet

I hear Plasma Jet and the new musclemeds eNOXIDE are strong.

Thanks!

If I had to choose Id get the PJ, Gaspari is a solid company.

[MrAnaconda]

While id say Gaspari is a solid company. I'd say Hemodraulix blows away PJ. I stack Hemo With my CL stack... Stacked with WF... jus massive insane gains and pump.

[arshah]

anyone use cytnox by xenadrine or fast twitch by cytosport, looking into them, would appreciate some feedback

[Jeph77]

Just started black powder this week. not the best tasting but not bad enough to not take it. soo far soo good pump wise.

[nalder89]

you guys should try armageddon by starchem labs. insane strength, upped my incline db press by 15 lbs in a week. not a pro hormone, but a glycerol based supp. so no cycling off. technically it's not even an NO product, seeing as there's hardly any arginine in it, but it does have a hydro trans formula to keep water in your body for longer. if you want to try it just call starchem labs and they'll ship you a free sample, although i know they are going to start charging like 5 bucks for shipping in like a week or so. seriously, just try it. one last note, i've been on beta alanine for about 4 weeks now, so that could also be why my strength has gone up so much.

[BenMcRae]

Did they ever improve the taste? I tried it 2 years ago and could barely get a whole dose down without gagging.

Yeah man they got Black Cherry now, much MUCH better :)

Only NO product i'll ever take, destroys the competition.

[AngerMGMT]

Super Pump 250 hands down. Good taste and unbelievable pump and energy. Not even worth trying another one. Sold for as low as $35 online too.

Tried Apex NO Extreme and liked it but just couldnt stomach it no matter how hard I tried.



I have a jug of the super pump 250 and can't stand it. The caffein levels or something in it is just way to friggin high and would keep me up ALL night after training. Even taking only one scoop around 2:30 in the afternoon didn't help. The BSN NO Explode has done me well though. Great pump during training and was still able to get to bed at normal time.......

[pmartel]

I started using Goliath Labs Groloid.

Same pump as NO Explode, much cheaper too and getting results!!

[rolandpollard1]

i've been taking NO shotgun for the past week

i think it's amazing, i got my pump fast and i felt like i could lift more

although i did failed to finish some of my reps :(
shotgun is crap...i was on it for forever until i heard of this stuff called dark rage...i wouldnt recommend any other n.o. other than fast twitch

but it gives you a crazy pump and you wont get tired during your workout

[rolandpollard1]

anyone use cytnox by xenadrine or fast twitch by cytosport, looking into them, would appreciate some feedback
fast twitch is the sh#$

[2high2die]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2high2die
The best pump with the most vascularity is hands down a green mag, white flood, nitrix, and glycergrow combo. Nitrix three times day 3 pills each for me. Green mag and white flood one scoop of each 30 minutes prior to your workout. Sometimes two scoops white flood. Glycergrow one scoop thirty minutes before and one scoop minutes before. Dumping it in the mouth hands down. And how could I forgot purple wraath during workout, with one scoop glycergrow. Damn this combo is the ****.

interesting combo. have you tried it without the nitrix?

I'm almost out of my nitrix, but I will give the cl stack a go soon. I'm about to go off stims for a while, due to the fact that 2 scoops of white flood is not hitting me hard anymore and I do not want to have to take three.

[vtx7]

White Flood hands down

It is the only NO product that I have tried where "one serving" actually gets the job done. It is cheap and effective

[NO-Xplode.org]

I love NO-Xplode. I can only take a half a scoop because since I dont normally drink coffee, but my body goes into super overdrive and I have constant energy well into 2am.

I get up. I eat oatmeal for breakfast, then wait an hour and have NO-Xplode, like half a scoop then I wait another half hour to let it kick in. Then I go to the gym I do cardio for 30 minutes, and increase the resistance to it. Then after that I take a 5 minute break, so my body doesn't over exert itself.

From there I either do upper body, core, or legs. And then after day I change them up. To rotate the cycle.

I notice a constant energy boost from NO-Xplode when before I used to be tired all the time and now I am constantly on and my girlfriend loves it.

After my workout Ill have a Protein Shake, then two hours later a protein bar, and then for dinner Ill have steak, chicken, fish, or eggs. And that rounds out my day.

I buy my NO-Xplode here for 50% off the sticker price (http://no-xplode.org/order-no-xplode-today/). Why am I going to pay 60 bucks a jar when I can get it for half price!

[Jeph77]

so yea that seems like a legit non biased post......

[Jcarjack]

I haven't been lifting for long and wasn't sure what to purchase. What I did get was

BSN Nitrix
BSN NO-XPLODE
BSN CELLMASS

Not really sure if there is a difference but I know that it was expensive. The first week of lifting I had the worst case of DOMS but since then I have pushed myself and had some great pumps and rapid recovery. Going to try something a little less expensive next time.

[SeeJay305]

N.O. Xplode is the best I have tried, but my body built a tolerance to it so quickly that in takes around 3 1/2 scoops to feel anything now.. I also have NO Shotgun, which does nothing for me other than concentration at the gym.

[nalder89]

mmk so something everyone here needs to know, is that the two key ingredients in ALL NO products, is caffeine and some form of L-Arginine. Both of which your body builds up a tolerence. that that "energy" that comes from the caffeine, will fade. no matter what brand it is, be it noxplode, black powder, or no shotgun. same thing with the pumps. take a month off, and give it another go. personally i've tried no xplode, superpump 250, armageddon, and black powder. My favorite has been armageddon i think, mostly because i notice the biggest strength gains from it. My cousin loves and swears by black powder. Only reason i stay with armageddon is because it's techinically not an NO product. It's glycerol based, not arginine, so you don't have to cycle it. it actually works better the longer you use it.

[Cr4zYH3aD]

mmk so something everyone here needs to know, is that the two key ingredients in ALL NO products, is caffeine and some form of L-Arginine. Both of which your body builds up a tolerence. that that "energy" that comes from the caffeine, will fade. no matter what brand it is, be it noxplode, black powder, or no shotgun. same thing with the pumps. take a month off, and give it another go. personally i've tried no xplode, superpump 250, armageddon, and black powder. My favorite has been armageddon i think, mostly because i notice the biggest strength gains from it. My cousin loves and swears by black powder. Only reason i stay with armageddon is because it's techinically not an NO product. It's glycerol based, not arginine, so you don't have to cycle it. it actually works better the longer you use it.

yes exactly, you need to use caffeine based product for 2 week to a month then back off 2week-1month

[Spydertl79]

Yeah man they got Black Cherry now, much MUCH better :)

Only NO product i'll ever take, destroys the competition.

I'll have to try that after I polish off this NO Xplode. I got much better pumps when I took Shotgun but it wasn't worth the taste.

[IONIZEDatoms]

superpump 250

[devldog6317]

I've been taking NO Explode by BSN for a couple years now. Not consitantly stringed together obviously. Thinking about trying a new product by a new company. Been reading alot of posts and would like some honest feed back. There's been alot of responses about this White Flood product and also SumperPump 250. Should i try something else or just stick with BSN NO Explode? Would like some feed back seeing going to order soon. Also if i try something new what should i replace BSN Cellmass with?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Well I must say I'm addicted to CL now... I've been on my GM, WF, PW stack for two weeks, and I've had some of the most pumped energized workouts ever! My forearms felt like they were going to explode after each set of Clean & Presses I performed from the pump. White Flood gets my vote with SuperPump 250 in a close second.
P.S. CL products are by far the best tasting! Thanks CL, I'm hooked!
awesome to hear :)

my favorit two are supepump and white flood with shock therapy a very close second all awsome products you can't go wrong with any of them
glad to be up there with the other top dawgs :)

Just tried the Labrada Supercharge Xtreme NO. It was alright. It was a leg day so I didn't feel huge pumps. For some reason, I never do with legs as much. I just used one scoop, hoping to make it last 50 servings to compare it to WF. I did feel eneergized throughout. Today is shoulders and traps. We'll see Saturday how well it really works as it is back and biceps and thats where I fatigue the fastest and feel the most pump. So far CL will have a returning customer after this bottle.
I think you will be back ;)

White Flood hands down

It is the only NO product that I have tried where "one serving" actually gets the job done. It is cheap and effective
sometimes even less than 1 serving does

I've been taking NO Explode by BSN for a couple years now. Not consitantly stringed together obviously. Thinking about trying a new product by a new company. Been reading alot of posts and would like some honest feed back. There's been alot of responses about this White Flood product and also SumperPump 250. Should i try something else or just stick with BSN NO Explode? Would like some feed back seeing going to order soon. Also if i try something new what should i replace BSN Cellmass with?
you could try a free white flood samples

[garrettadamsmith]

so i take wf and green mag together 30 mins before lifting and then im done for the day with those products?

[nalder89]

I've been taking NO Explode by BSN for a couple years now. Not consitantly stringed together obviously. Thinking about trying a new product by a new company. Been reading alot of posts and would like some honest feed back. There's been alot of responses about this White Flood product and also SumperPump 250. Should i try something else or just stick with BSN NO Explode? Would like some feed back seeing going to order soon. Also if i try something new what should i replace BSN Cellmass with?

try black powder by MRI, or armageddon by Starchem Labs. and as for the cell mass replacement, Just go by some cheap creatine, glutamine, and start on a beta alanine supp. Key being on the beta alanine. where to buy you ask? cheapest place on the web
www.
purebulk
.com

[nalder89]

soo just got done looking at the ingredients for white flood by controlled labs, and it's not much different from any other NO product other than it's got 1700 mg of beta alanine, and 700 mg of tyrosine. why they only put 1700 mg of beta alanine is beyond me. only thing you're gonna get from that small of a dosage is a pump, which isn't even that big. 1700 would be great if you were already on a beta alanine supp, because that would be ALMOST 1 out of 2 servings for the day. most people don't even know what the effects of beta alanine are accept that it makes you "tingle". that's a side effect. the main and in my opinion only reason for taking beta alanine, at an EFFECTIVE dose, is to increase PH+ in your muscles, lower acidity, and therefore increase aenerobic threshold. in lamens terms, less muscle fatigue, longer, harder workouts. The good thing about beta alanine is it's completely safe for teens, and you don't have to cycle it. bad thing? takes at least 3-4 weeks to start noticing strength gains from it. Main focus? improves strength and power output in the 7-15 rep range. creatine is best suited for 1-7 rep range. best when taken together, and it's not that expensive either. Just don't buy the brand name beta alanine. you'll get ripped off. "but these guy's says it's "time released"!!"" stop wasting your money and drink 20 ounces of water twice a day. you need it anyway. (mix the beta alanine with water, duh). read my above post for where to get it pure, not from some name brand company trying to make money on something as simple as beta alanine.

[MrAnaconda]

Bingo Garrett.

[olson43]

I used to like n.o xplode i took it for a few months and it was good BUT it sucks compared to Dark Rage by MHP. Dark Rage is by far the best pre-workout made. The pumps, energy, focus, strength and everything about it is 100 times better than no xplode. no xplode may taste better than dark rage but the results from dark rage are so much better and the energy caused by no xplode is from the huge amount of caffiene. Dark rage is by far the most scientifically advanced pre workout made. Try it i bet you'll love everything about it just not the taste

[Wearwolf51]

While id say Gaspari is a solid company. I'd say Hemodraulix blows away PJ. I stack Hemo With my CL stack... Stacked with WF... jus massive insane gains and pump.

I had great pumps with Hemo too, but I dont like the Arachadonic Acid in it, im wary of anything that increases inflamation, i feel like I fatigue faster when I take it.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

so i take wf and green mag together 30 mins before lifting and then im done for the day with those products? correct. green mag anytime on off days


soo just got done looking at the ingredients for white flood by controlled labs, and it's not much different from any other NO product other than it's got 1700 mg of beta alanine, and 700 mg of tyrosine. why they only put 1700 mg of beta alanine is beyond me. only thing you're gonna get from that small of a dosage is a pump, which isn't even that big. 1700 would be great if you were already on a beta alanine supp, because that would be ALMOST 1 out of 2 servings for the day. most people don't even know what the effects of beta alanine are accept that it makes you "tingle". that's a side effect. the main and in my opinion only reason for taking beta alanine, at an EFFECTIVE dose, is to increase PH+ in your muscles, lower acidity, and therefore increase aenerobic threshold. in lamens terms, less muscle fatigue, longer, harder workouts. The good thing about beta alanine is it's completely safe for teens, and you don't have to cycle it. bad thing? takes at least 3-4 weeks to start noticing strength gains from it. Main focus? improves strength and power output in the 7-15 rep range. creatine is best suited for 1-7 rep range. best when taken together, and it's not that expensive either. Just don't buy the brand name beta alanine. you'll get ripped off. "but these guy's says it's "time released"!!"" stop wasting your money and drink 20 ounces of water twice a day. you need it anyway. (mix the beta alanine with water, duh). read my above post for where to get it pure, not from some name brand company trying to make money on something as simple as beta alanine.
its much different, check out the blend as well.

beta alanine shouldnt be dosed all in one shot. also, many take it with purple wraath that also has beta alanine. BA does not give a pump.

[bigshultz36]

i love jacked by vpx better than anything else out there (close second is white flood)

[steelersnation]

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;323331041]correct. green mag anytime on off days


Id recommend to ppl you dont use creatine on OFF days...your muscles will have already been saturated enough so you dont need to do this...it just makes you go through the tub faster

[steelersnation]

i love jacked by vpx better than anything else out there (close second is white flood)

How long did your pump last with jacked? im thinking about giving it a try

[TheRosser]

dont feel like reading through 200+ pages so im just going to ask.. how do u guys like Universal's SHOCK THERAPY?

[kudostojen]

This is a really long thread.
I'm looking for something to give me a little push i the gym. I've been reading up on NO supps and it looks like something that may work for me.
I'm not looking to get huge but help me get me stronger, give me a few extra reps and even increase my cardio intensity and duration.

Would a NO product help me in this area? From what i've read, it might just work for me.

I have no idea which product would work or if this is something i should try? If i can get a product without a stim like coffee, that would be great too.

I would really appreciate some help. :D

[wingman11]

WF does it for me. 1/2 scoop is enough to give me a little extra energy. the full serving makes me feel like a beast.

[dukend]

dont feel like reading through 200+ pages so im just going to ask.. how do u guys like Universal's SHOCK THERAPY?


I'm in the middle of my first Shock Therapy, and I like it a lot. I'm a grad student so I'm trying to save money, so this was the cheapest/high quality NO product I heard of. Got UN's Shock Therapy and their Storm (creatine) for $54 after shipping. $54 for 180 combined servings in unheard of.

Go for it, Grape is definately the better flavor.

[youreggsbuddy]

NO2 BLACK, if you dont like it, you prolly cant afford it, tough break.
More for me then hahahahaha suckas

[KFlexing]

NOxplode gave me the jitters and I was not comfortable of the mindstate it put me in. Jacked me up, sure, but not what I was looking for. Expensive too. Lets be honest, that pretty shining red bottle is one hell of an eyecandy marketing tool.

Superpump 250 did not give me the uncomfortable jitters, but did put my mind into a heightened state of alertness or major "upper." Strength was really good and comparable to NOxplode without the psychological aspect.

Nitrix Overdrive is cheap, 20$ at wal-mart and usually worked really well for me. Nice pump, vascularity.

MORPH GXR-8 was REALLY good stuff, but if you take the suggested amount of up to (9) pills for a workout, your going to run through 65$ in around 2 weeks. Way to expensive.

I am about to order some black powder as I speak, I'll keep you guys updated and how it turns out.

[SeeJay305]

try black powder by MRI, or armageddon by Starchem Labs. and as for the cell mass replacement, Just go by some cheap creatine, glutamine, and start on a beta alanine supp. Key being on the beta alanine. where to buy you ask? cheapest place on the web
www.
purebulk
.com

Armageddon works descent for me..... but it tastes so vile, its not worth it. By far the worst tasting supplement I have consumed. I hold my nose while chugging it and still gag and nearly puke everytime.

[nalder89]

correct. green mag anytime on off days


its much different, check out the blend as well.

beta alanine shouldnt be dosed all in one shot. also, many take it with purple wraath that also has beta alanine. BA does not give a pump.
quote from http://www.betaalanine.info/

"Immediate benefits: Many users experience intense vasodilatation/pumps from the very first dose of Beta-Alanine. Because Beta-Alanine increases carnosine and carnosine is a powerful precursor in generating nitric oxide synthase (a group of enzymes necessary for making the powerful vasodilator nitric oxide), this is an added, immediate benefit of Beta-Alanine."

And if you (controlled labs) had read my post in full, you would have read that i mentioned that a normal dose is 4 grams a day, spread out into 2-3 servings. and no, this isn't broscience, i learned all this from people with PHD's in exercise science, sports nutrition, etc.

oh, and if by "blend" you mean the 'energy and antioxidant flood complex' which, by the way, I had to zoom in like 400 x just to read, (yes, they made it THAT small on their website), is, just like the name says, a bunch of energy and antioxidants. so... we get lots of "clean" energy, and we don't get sick? pretty sure you're not gonna feel like superman from antioxidants while lifting. sure maybe in the long run, but wait a second, isn't white flood an aakg based product? dangit! have to cycle it! bummer... I'm not trying to tear down controlled labs, yet the fact that they have a rep talking out on these forums must tell you SOMETHING. I have yet to see ANY other company post stuff on here besides controlled labs. sorry boys, but from my OWN research, there isn't anything special in white flood that would make it live up to all the hype it gets. especially when i doubt anyone knows (including myself) what the hell GAMA -Aminobulyric Acid is. (sorry if i spelled that wrong, had to zoom in a million times on their website just to get a glimpse of the word). Mind explaining what the first 3 ingredients are and scientific sources to back it up? I mean come on, this IS your most popular product. couldn't hurt to show some effort in making believers out of all of us

[nalder89]

NO2 BLACK, if you dont like it, you prolly cant afford it, tough break.
More for me then hahahahaha suckas

for real! my cousin swears by black powder and NO2 Black. But NO2 black isn't really a preworkout supp though is it? i thought it was for a perpetual pump. do you find it gets you amped in the gym? reason i ask is there's no caffeine in it, as there is in black powder. I do know the blue rasberry flavor tastes AMAZING when you mix it with blue powerade or gatorade.

[wingman11]

quote from http://www.betaalanine.info/

"Immediate benefits: Many users experience intense vasodilatation/pumps from the very first dose of Beta-Alanine. Because Beta-Alanine increases carnosine and carnosine is a powerful precursor in generating nitric oxide synthase (a group of enzymes necessary for making the powerful vasodilator nitric oxide), this is an added, immediate benefit of Beta-Alanine."

And if you (controlled labs) had read my post in full, you would have read that i mentioned that a normal dose is 4 grams a day, spread out into 2-3 servings. and no, this isn't broscience, i learned all this from people with PHD's in exercise science, sports nutrition, etc.

oh, and if by "blend" you mean the 'energy and antioxidant flood complex' which, by the way, I had to zoom in like 400 x just to read, (yes, they made it THAT small on their website), is, just like the name says, a bunch of energy and antioxidants. so... we get lots of "clean" energy, and we don't get sick? pretty sure you're not gonna feel like superman from antioxidants while lifting. sure maybe in the long run, but wait a second, isn't white flood an aakg based product? dangit! have to cycle it! bummer... I'm not trying to tear down controlled labs, yet the fact that they have a rep talking out on these forums must tell you SOMETHING. I have yet to see ANY other company post stuff on here besides controlled labs. sorry boys, but from my OWN research, there isn't anything special in white flood that would make it live up to all the hype it gets. especially when i doubt anyone knows (including myself) what the hell GAMA -Aminobulyric Acid is. (sorry if i spelled that wrong, had to zoom in a million times on their website just to get a glimpse of the word). Mind explaining what the first 3 ingredients are and scientific sources to back it up? I mean come on, this IS your most popular product. couldn't hurt to show some effort in making believers out of all of us

have you ever tried white flood?

[nalder89]

have you ever tried white flood?

nope. and i'm probably not going to because i've yet to see anyone do some research of their own on it. For all I know 80 % of the reviews are coming from guys who are getting paid to say how good it is. and that's all they do, no scientific backup, just "wow this stuff is amazing" and as I said, it's got basically the same stuff as all the other NO products, except for their energy and antioxidant blend. woohoo! so we get super energy. I'm looking for size and raw strength, not a "wow i'm so wired i feel like i could lift a truck" feeling. that, and just like any other NO product, the pump will fade because it's AAKG, and you WILL build up a resistance to it, so you'll have to cycle. not sayin it's a bad product, I just don't think it's all it's hyped up to be.

[nalder89]

Armageddon works descent for me..... but it tastes so vile, its not worth it. By far the worst tasting supplement I have consumed. I hold my nose while chugging it and still gag and nearly puke everytime.

haha yeah for sure, gotta get the new formula, comes in a black bottle. Because yeah, I agree, the old formula tastes like puke. absolutely horrible. But I do love the strength the new stuff gives me.

[RMA08]

This is just a NO question.What form of arginine is better malate or akg for all around performance?

[nalder89]

This is just a NO question.What form of arginine is better malate or akg for all around performance?

hmm.. I just looked at the ingredients for NO-xplode, Black Powder, White Flood, and Superpump 250, and all of them use Arginine akg. I'd say stick with the AAKG, but remember, your body will build up a resistance to it, so be sure to cycle.

[dairyboy]

about the NO2 black pills i dont quite take them the way i should but i take them before i workout (4 pills) with NO shotgun. and by the time i get to the gym (10-15 min drive) i am ready to go and my hands and feet feel prickly. you know when something falls asleep? and they get that prickly feeling ? pretty sweet depending what body part im working. and for them per 3 pills its 3000mg a-akg.

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

Anything with GlycoCarn is going to work extremely well for increasing NO.
http://www.glycocarn.com/pump.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/n_o_supplement_gplc.htm
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/exercise_metabolism_gplc.htm
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/antioxidant_defense_gplc.htm



http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/nitric_oxide_science.htm
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Very good article on NO

[dharmalifter]

This is a really long thread.
I'm looking for something to give me a little push i the gym. I've been reading up on NO supps and it looks like something that may work for me.
I'm not looking to get huge but help me get me stronger, give me a few extra reps and even increase my cardio intensity and duration.

Would a NO product help me in this area? From what i've read, it might just work for me.

I have no idea which product would work or if this is something i should try? If i can get a product without a stim like coffee, that would be great too.

I would really appreciate some help. :D

I think you should try some creatine monohydrate. It's cheap, no stims and there's scientific studies supprorting it.

[bcarver14]

should i take white flood on my days off? also i see people mixing the green mag and white flood... both lemonade flavors i guess??

[WyldByll]

This is a really long thread.
I'm looking for something to give me a little push i the gym. I've been reading up on NO supps and it looks like something that may work for me.
I'm not looking to get huge but help me get me stronger, give me a few extra reps and even increase my cardio intensity and duration.

Would a NO product help me in this area? From what i've read, it might just work for me.

I have no idea which product would work or if this is something i should try? If i can get a product without a stim like coffee, that would be great too.

I would really appreciate some help. :D

3g arginine b4 wo, 1g 2 other times (1g 3x/daily non-wo days) along w/ mono creatine 2x daily. wait 1 month to start seeing/feeling effects and 3 months for full effects from complete body saturation. btw, great body transformation!

[WyldByll]

Anything with GlycoCarn is going to work extremely well for increasing NO.
http://www.glycocarn.com/pump.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/n_o_supplement_gplc.htm
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/exercise_metabolism_gplc.htm
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/antioxidant_defense_gplc.htm



http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/nitric_oxide_science.htm
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Very good article on NO

everyone should read. i still believe fully in arginine. we studied it intensley in hum phys classes for my PA pre-req. but this sounds like it might be fun to try.


should i take white flood on my days off? also i see people mixing the green mag and white flood... both lemonade flavors i guess??

why would you need a stim on off days? just stick w/ arginine tabs on off days to keep up body saturation.

[bcarver14]

everyone should read. i still believe fully in arginine. we studied it intensley in hum phys classes for my PA pre-req. but this sounds like it might be fun to try.



why would you need a stim on off days? just stick w/ arginine tabs on off days to keep up body saturation.

You take No Explode on off days. I was just wondering if anyone did with WF...

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

everyone should read. i still believe fully in arginine. we studied it intensley in hum phys classes for my PA pre-req. but this sounds like it might be fun to try.

why would you need a stim on off days? just stick w/ arginine tabs on off days to keep up body saturation.

I'm a big fan/believer of arginine as well, just not in its ability to drive NO synthesis when taken orally in healthy humans. Many more like the below



1: J Nutr Biochem. 2008 Aug 15. [Epub ahead of print]Click here to read Links
No effect of short-term arginine supplementation on nitric oxide production, metabolism and performance in intermittent exercise in athletes.
Liu TH, Wu CL, Chiang CW, Lo YW, Tseng HF, Chang CK.

Department of Physical Education, Taiwan Sport University, 404 Taichung, Taiwan.

Arginine supplementation has been shown to alleviate endothelial dysfunction and improve exercise performance through increasing nitric oxide production in patients with cardiopulmonary diseases. In addition, arginine supplementation could decrease accumulations of lactate and ammonia, metabolites involved in development of muscular fatigue. The aim of this study was to investigate the effect of short-term arginine supplementation on performance in intermittent anaerobic exercise and the underlying mechanism in well-trained male athletes. Ten elite male college judo athletes participated with a randomized crossover, placebo-controlled design. The subjects consumed 6 g/day arginine (ARG trial) or placebo (CON trial) for 3 days then performed an intermittent anaerobic exercise test on a cycle ergometer. Blood samples were collected before supplementation, before and during exercise and 0, 3, 6, 10, 30 and 60 min after exercise. ARG trial had significantly higher arginine concentrations than CON trial at the same time point before, during and after exercise. In both trials, nitrate and nitrite concentration was significantly higher during and 6 min after exercise comparing to the basal concentration. The increase in nitrate and nitrite concentration during exercise in both trials was parallel to the increase in plasma citrulline concentrations. There was no significant difference between the 2 trials in plasma nitrate and nitrite, lactate and ammonia concentrations and peak and average power in the exercise. The results of this study suggested that short-term arginine supplementation had no effect on nitric oxide production, lactate and ammonia metabolism and performance in intermittent anaerobic exercise in well-trained male athletes.


http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/nitric_oxide_science.htm
^^^ Again, a real solid article on NO

[CONTROLLED LABS]

This is a really long thread.
I'm looking for something to give me a little push i the gym. I've been reading up on NO supps and it looks like something that may work for me.
I'm not looking to get huge but help me get me stronger, give me a few extra reps and even increase my cardio intensity and duration.

Would a NO product help me in this area? From what i've read, it might just work for me.

I have no idea which product would work or if this is something i should try? If i can get a product without a stim like coffee, that would be great too.

I would really appreciate some help. :D
sounds more like purple wraath would be what you are looking for.

WF does it for me. 1/2 scoop is enough to give me a little extra energy. the full serving makes me feel like a beast.
1/2 scoop or half serving (1 scoop)?

should i take white flood on my days off? also i see people mixing the green mag and white flood... both lemonade flavors i guess??
no need on off days

[zmboda]

White Flood, hands down. I've used quite a few (N.O. Explode, NanoVapor, Black Powder, SuperPump...) Nothing has made me feel the rush I had tonight with WF. Props CL!

[WyldByll]

I'm a big fan/believer of arginine as well, just not in its ability to drive NO synthesis when taken orally in healthy humans. Many more like the below



1: J Nutr Biochem. 2008 Aug 15. [Epub ahead of print]Click here to read Links
No effect of short-term arginine supplementation on nitric oxide production, metabolism and performance in intermittent exercise in athletes.
Liu TH, Wu CL, Chiang CW, Lo YW, Tseng HF, Chang CK.

Department of Physical Education, Taiwan Sport University, 404 Taichung, Taiwan.

Arginine supplementation has been shown to alleviate endothelial dysfunction and improve exercise performance through increasing nitric oxide production in patients with cardiopulmonary diseases. In addition, arginine supplementation could decrease accumulations of lactate and ammonia, metabolites involved in development of muscular fatigue. The aim of this study was to investigate the effect of short-term arginine supplementation on performance in intermittent anaerobic exercise and the underlying mechanism in well-trained male athletes. Ten elite male college judo athletes participated with a randomized crossover, placebo-controlled design. The subjects consumed 6 g/day arginine (ARG trial) or placebo (CON trial) for 3 days then performed an intermittent anaerobic exercise test on a cycle ergometer. Blood samples were collected before supplementation, before and during exercise and 0, 3, 6, 10, 30 and 60 min after exercise. ARG trial had significantly higher arginine concentrations than CON trial at the same time point before, during and after exercise. In both trials, nitrate and nitrite concentration was significantly higher during and 6 min after exercise comparing to the basal concentration. The increase in nitrate and nitrite concentration during exercise in both trials was parallel to the increase in plasma citrulline concentrations. There was no significant difference between the 2 trials in plasma nitrate and nitrite, lactate and ammonia concentrations and peak and average power in the exercise. The results of this study suggested that short-term arginine supplementation had no effect on nitric oxide production, lactate and ammonia metabolism and performance in intermittent anaerobic exercise in well-trained male athletes.


http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/nitric_oxide_science.htm
^^^ Again, a real solid article on NO

Def picking up some glycocarn. what do you dose it at and should it be used alongside arginine to boost benificial effects?

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

Def picking up some glycocarn. what do you dose it at and should it be used alongside arginine to boost benificial effects?

As a stand alone, I think 1-1.5g is plenty in terms of NO and likely performance benefits as well, though so far the research showing performance benefits have been in the 3-4g range. In the near future, we will soon see research using lower doses.

Again not a fan of arginine for NO. Have you ever experimented with Icariin? Combine that with GlycoCarn and look out. Not sure if you want creatine/stims ect, but look into our product PreSurge, which contains GlycoCarn and other NO boosters.

PreSurge FAQ- http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=111743821

PreSurge reviews- http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=112232981&highlight=athletic+edge+nutrition

If you just want the GlycoCarn by itself, go with a brand like Jarrow's which is sold here. GlycoCarn is a patented compound, so it will be the same from any company that uses the legit patented stuff. And for the price, I think Jarrows is very competitive.

[toad1]

ive only had superpump250 and i duno if i'm that impressed with it, the first scoop i had was amazing and worth the moeny alone, but now ive been on it for two weeks and it doesn't feel as good, first week i just took a scoop before i worked out, then the next week had 1.5scoops mon/wed and 2scoops fri/sat and it don't feel the buzz as much i just sweat like a beast.

ive had a week of this week and next week ill be tryin 3scoops before my workout and if i don't get them same buzz and just sweat ill go back down to 2scoops as i don't wana fire through the tub that fast.


i bought superpump as i couldn't decide what NO would be best and it was the cheapest and easiest for me to get, i think next ill either try jack3d or no explode as i can't find anywhere in the UK that sells white flood as that seems to be the stuff most folk are raving about on here.

p.s. its working great as a fat burner.

[wingman11]

sounds more like purple wraath would be what you are looking for.

1/2 scoop or half serving (1 scoop)?

no need on off days

1/2 scoop gives me a decent boost in energy.

[kudostojen]

3g arginine b4 wo, 1g 2 other times (1g 3x/daily non-wo days) along w/ mono creatine 2x daily. wait 1 month to start seeing/feeling effects and 3 months for full effects from complete body saturation. btw, great body transformation!

Thanks! :D

I got some NO supps and giving them a try. I haven't used Creatine in a few weeks and could easily put it back into my diet.

Thanks for the info.

[TheBigRigatoni]

Has anyone giving us a try?

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk33/thebigrigatoni/Overdose-rendering.jpg

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=114044131

[kangaman]

Has anyone giving us a try?

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk33/thebigrigatoni/Overdose-rendering.jpg

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=114044131


i've tried a variety of other pre workout / nitric products.

Honestly, Overdose is the ****. I can't imagine my workouts without it anymore.

strongly suggest anyone try this stuff.

[TheBigRigatoni]

i've tried a variety of other pre workout / nitric products.

Honestly, Overdose is the ****. I can't imagine my workouts without it anymore.

strongly suggest anyone try this stuff.

SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!! people should jump on this

[kangaman]

SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!! people should jump on this

works even better with nrgx Maxx Pump and Beta Maxx stacked with it. but Overdose is an incredible supp on it's own too.

[672000]

I'm a big fan/believer of arginine as well, just not in its ability to drive NO synthesis when taken orally in healthy humans. Many more like the below



1: J Nutr Biochem. 2008 Aug 15. [Epub ahead of print]Click here to read Links
No effect of short-term arginine supplementation on nitric oxide production, metabolism and performance in intermittent exercise in athletes.
Liu TH, Wu CL, Chiang CW, Lo YW, Tseng HF, Chang CK.

Department of Physical Education, Taiwan Sport University, 404 Taichung, Taiwan.

Arginine supplementation has been shown to alleviate endothelial dysfunction and improve exercise performance through increasing nitric oxide production in patients with cardiopulmonary diseases. In addition, arginine supplementation could decrease accumulations of lactate and ammonia, metabolites involved in development of muscular fatigue. The aim of this study was to investigate the effect of short-term arginine supplementation on performance in intermittent anaerobic exercise and the underlying mechanism in well-trained male athletes. Ten elite male college judo athletes participated with a randomized crossover, placebo-controlled design. The subjects consumed 6 g/day arginine (ARG trial) or placebo (CON trial) for 3 days then performed an intermittent anaerobic exercise test on a cycle ergometer. Blood samples were collected before supplementation, before and during exercise and 0, 3, 6, 10, 30 and 60 min after exercise. ARG trial had significantly higher arginine concentrations than CON trial at the same time point before, during and after exercise. In both trials, nitrate and nitrite concentration was significantly higher during and 6 min after exercise comparing to the basal concentration. The increase in nitrate and nitrite concentration during exercise in both trials was parallel to the increase in plasma citrulline concentrations. There was no significant difference between the 2 trials in plasma nitrate and nitrite, lactate and ammonia concentrations and peak and average power in the exercise. The results of this study suggested that short-term arginine supplementation had no effect on nitric oxide production, lactate and ammonia metabolism and performance in intermittent anaerobic exercise in well-trained male athletes.


http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/nitric_oxide_science.htm
^^^ Again, a real solid article on NO

Appreciate all the info. I posted a question about cycling NO products a while ago after reading this article http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/116/2/188. It indicated that LONG TERM supplementation of l-arginine actually reduced body NO levels. How do you read this? I would assume the body tries to return to homostasis. I have used and really benefited from SP250, but recently stopped (and noticed the difference... down reps and total weight). Not sure if that is due to the supposed NO increase or all the other stuff that is in it... all I know is that I really miss it.

Also, was scanning a muscle mag at the airport the other day and found an ad for a new product that supposedly IS nitric oxide, not a precurser like arginine. Forgot the name and did not write it down and have not seen it adverstised in other mags I have scanned. Anyone know what I am talking about? Did an internet search and came up empty.

[kebh44]

Has anyone giving us a try?

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk33/thebigrigatoni/Overdose-rendering.jpg

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=114044131

Hell yeah !!!!! I have tried other No products and hands down OverDose is the best. I have told a few friends who were taking another big name NO supp. and are now on the OverDose bandwagon!! If anyone has a chance give this a try.. No crash, great pumps and good focus!!!! Check out co promos section I think they are still giving out samples!!!!!

[TheBigRigatoni]

Hell yeah !!!!! I have tried other No products and hands down OverDose is the best. I have told a few friends who were taking another big name NO supp. and are now on the OverDose bandwagon!! If anyone has a chance give this a try.. No crash, great pumps and good focus!!!! Check out co promos section I think they are still giving out samples!!!!!
yea cuz we still have that promo running

[CONTROLLED LABS]

White Flood, hands down. I've used quite a few (N.O. Explode, NanoVapor, Black Powder, SuperPump...) Nothing has made me feel the rush I had tonight with WF. Props CL!
awesome, glad to hear it :)

do you take the powder or tablets?

ive only had superpump250 and i duno if i'm that impressed with it, the first scoop i had was amazing and worth the moeny alone, but now ive been on it for two weeks and it doesn't feel as good, first week i just took a scoop before i worked out, then the next week had 1.5scoops mon/wed and 2scoops fri/sat and it don't feel the buzz as much i just sweat like a beast.

ive had a week of this week and next week ill be tryin 3scoops before my workout and if i don't get them same buzz and just sweat ill go back down to 2scoops as i don't wana fire through the tub that fast.


i bought superpump as i couldn't decide what NO would be best and it was the cheapest and easiest for me to get, i think next ill either try jack3d or no explode as i can't find anywhere in the UK that sells white flood as that seems to be the stuff most folk are raving about on here.

p.s. its working great as a fat burner.
white flood is available at most, but you can get it from bb.com as well ;)

1/2 scoop gives me a decent boost in energy.

try at least 1 scoop, I think you will like it even more :)

[ironjim53113]

can anyone recommend a great no supplement with no carbs in it. i'm on a palumbo diet and can't have carbs. not looking for pills either. thanks.

[zmboda]

awesome, glad to hear it :)

do you take the powder or tablets?

Powder... never been much a tablet guy.

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

Appreciate all the info. I posted a question about cycling NO products a while ago after reading this article http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/116/2/188. It indicated that LONG TERM supplementation of l-arginine actually reduced body NO levels. How do you read this? I would assume the body tries to return to homostasis. I have used and really benefited from SP250, but recently stopped (and noticed the difference... down reps and total weight). Not sure if that is due to the supposed NO increase or all the other stuff that is in it... all I know is that I really miss it.

Also, was scanning a muscle mag at the airport the other day and found an ad for a new product that supposedly IS nitric oxide, not a precurser like arginine. Forgot the name and did not write it down and have not seen it adverstised in other mags I have scanned. Anyone know what I am talking about? Did an internet search and came up empty.

One obvious way to increase NO is through spiking insulin with CARBS. Carbs alone will give a GREAT pump! But not everyone wants to take empty colories or spike insulin to get a pump, that's where GlycoCarn, Icariin comes in. Also, their benefits go far beyond increasing NO.

NO is a GAS and the idea of taking the gas as supplement and that having it boost NO intracellulary makes me LOL!

Come to our PreSurge FAQ and post any science questions http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=111743821

These war threads basically consist of company and shill pimping and are not the place for legit science discussion!