Best Overall Nitric Oxide (NO) Product?

[VM411]

im 20 takin no shotgun, had a great pump, felt like my biceps were gonna explode, so far so good, next im thinkin white flood though?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[boboboy]

+1 for No Explode.

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[dimevivo]

It's been Working for me

[CONTROLLED LABS]

im 20 takin no shotgun, had a great pump, felt like my biceps were gonna explode, so far so good, next im thinkin white flood though?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

you cant go wrong with white flood, great feedback, results and the tub is good for 50 workouts :eek:

[Universal Rep]

I thought it over and i have decided to become an ANIMAL. Animal pump here i come soon as i get cash lol. any universal reps around with some sweet deals lol

Nice. Many like Animal Pump cuz the effects are smoother, milder more sustained. Others prefer to the kick of Shock Therapy. Pills (Pump) or powders (Shock Therapy), your choice.

Animial Pump Feedback:
Reviews: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...ht=Animal+Pump
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=967294
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=902775
http://forum.animalpak.com/showthread.php?t=314

Shock Therapy Feedback:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=955787&highlight=shock+therapy

Shock Therapy vs. Animal Pump Feedback:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=853993&highlight=shock+therapy
http://forum.animalpak.com/showthread.php?t=305

Shock Therapy & Storm Combo:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=981630&highlight=shock+therapy

[hardbody22]

the best NO out there is hands down: SuperPump 250. This stuff is like a miracle. Strength and size sky rocket after every use and workout. I compared it to all other NO out there as well. I read alot about all of them and none seem capable of SuperPump 250 results.

i just started it and i agree with you. there is no other like it... i tried nano vapors and it doesnt compare to super pump 250

[LoweRider]

Muscle Asylum Project N.O. Plasmacore.

It's not the best tasting stuff in the world, but it's amazing!

[eharp83]

with any product that has stims in it, you should cycle on and off so your body doesnt get acclimated to them.

I have been taking NO-Xplode for a couple of months. It works great for me. I only workout three days a week, so I have just been taking it three times a week. Since, I have four days a week that I don't take it, should I have to cycle of it?

[fromda619]

Your definately right about BSN's NO Explode, it gives you such an awesome pump before your workout. not too expensive either.

[gianthulkman]

CO2
http://www.dpbolvw.net/click-3049325-10409409

[munch2473]

I take the NO-Shot gun, I get the most crazy pumps and more energy than ever!!!

[getitupordie]

Has anyone tried Black Powder from MRI or any MRI products?

[Warneckutz]

Has anyone tried Black Powder from MRI or any MRI products?

I've tried their NO2 pills, didn't do much for ME :(

As far as pills go, I recently tried CMI's NO3, I liked that. And a little over a year ago I tried MuscleTech's NaNo X9 and recently began using it again (received an amazing deal with a promo GNC was running as well as a discount they give to my gym staff).

[Amatsch]

Has anyone tried cryoshock?

[Colossal Spoons]

Has anyone tried Black Powder from MRI or any MRI products?

I tried the Black Powder, pretty decent pump. Made me more angry than anything else though lol

[dblbassted]

you cant go wrong with white flood, great feedback, results and the tub is good for 50 workouts :eek:

I picked up a tub today and was more than impressed by it.

[dave1005]

BSN NO-XPLODE has worked really well for me (1 year cycled on and off)

I have found that the Orange flavour doesn't seem to get me going as well as the Fruit Punch does.

Works really well in combo with Cellmass post workout.

In the argument about protein vs. NO pre workout, I say both, should always have some protein in your system, hopefully from the previous meal consumed an hour before workout.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I've tried their NO2 pills, didn't do much for ME :(

As far as pills go, I recently tried CMI's NO3, I liked that. And a little over a year ago I tried MuscleTech's NaNo X9 and recently began using it again (received an amazing deal with a promo GNC was running as well as a discount they give to my gym staff).
you still on white flood?

I picked up a tub today and was more than impressed by it.

awesome, white flood is potent from the very first dose :)

[Warneckutz]

you still on white flood?

Yes I am. I had to give another brand a shot since it was BUY ONE GET ONE FREE but besides a little Beta Alanine kick, I got no response from it even after 5 scoops. The upside to it is that I only require 1 scoop of White Flood to get the full pump. I'm not sure if it was the time away from the WF or what but it's been doing very well by me. I've also been dosing it with 1 scoop of Green MAG and following my workout with another scoop of Green MAG.

[fhm010]

i tried NO Xplode nd it wokred well for me but the nitrix did **** i did exactly what the bottle said to do nd it didnt do **** i recently switched to gaspari superpump 250 and sizeon and i have to say that they are my top choice, superpump is amazing the first wokour i did i felt like the muscles i wokerd wear tearting out of my skin, i was wondeiring about plasmajet tho because ive heard a lot of good things about it and im thinking about adding it to the stack, tell me what you guys think about it

[ajh3415]

What are your thoughts on NO pills as far as which kinds are the best and how they compare to mixed formulas? Also, would it be worth it to take both NO pills and a pre-workout NO formula?

[Warneckutz]

What are your thoughts on NO pills as far as which kinds are the best and how they compare to mixed formulas? Also, would it be worth it to take both NO pills and a pre-workout NO formula?

I think I get more out of the powdered NO products than I do the pill products. So, if I could only choose one, it would be a powdered NO.

Personally, I've gotten the most out of White Blood, NaNo X9 and CMI NO3 (tabs) compared to MRI's NO2 (it seems to work for everyone BUT me), Nitrix and a few other NO pills (can't remember their names at the moment).

Every so often, I stack a powder and a pill on a "BIG" day. Not sure if it helps all the time but I think the mental edge can be effective.

-Ant

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Yes I am. I had to give another brand a shot since it was BUY ONE GET ONE FREE but besides a little Beta Alanine kick, I got no response from it even after 5 scoops. The upside to it is that I only require 1 scoop of White Flood to get the full pump. I'm not sure if it was the time away from the WF or what but it's been doing very well by me. I've also been dosing it with 1 scoop of Green MAG and following my workout with another scoop of Green MAG.

awesome, white flood is a very special product and a great value at 50 workouts per tub at full dose

[atomdawgg]

I am relatively new to NO products besides some studies I found on arginine supplementation being used in critically ill patients. I tried looking through this thread...does anyone know of NO, arginine, alpha ketoglutarate, etc studies on healthy humans? I am debating this topic with a few of my professors and would appreciate some ammunition! Thank you.

[atomdawgg]

Sorry, everyone. Just realized there is a science forum! My bad...

[gtg223x]

So the first day I threw in two scoops of pure carbs with my Superpump250 and everything went fine.
Next time I had a Cytogainer shake + 4 small strips of steak and a little refried beans 30 mins before the Superpump...15 mins later i was on the toilet...but i still worked out was ok not as good at 1st
When I got back i was on the toilet, again 5 hrs later, again 8 am the next day

I can still return the product so I think I'm going to, just doesnt seem worth it when Im trying to gain weight, and switch over to either animal pump or whiteflood but I have heard that whiteflood can be rough on sensitive stomachs?

[bman2380]

Try eating your meal like an hour before consuming superpump. That should help with your super visits to the washroom.

Plus, the beans and steak...come on thats asking for extra visits to the washroom :)

[Warneckutz]

So the first day I threw in two scoops of pure carbs with my Superpump250 and everything went fine.
Next time I had a Cytogainer shake + 4 small strips of steak and a little refried beans 30 mins before the Superpump...15 mins later i was on the toilet...but i still worked out was ok not as good at 1st
When I got back i was on the toilet, again 5 hrs later, again 8 am the next day

I can still return the product so I think I'm going to, just doesnt seem worth it when Im trying to gain weight, and switch over to either animal pump or whiteflood but I have heard that whiteflood can be rough on sensitive stomachs?

I've heard SuperPump can be rough, can't say from experience though.

I've been using White Flood for almost a year now (I think they're on Version 3) and I've never had an issue (with Version 2 or Version 3). I've tried Animal Pump as well and even combined it with White Flood - it was a little extreme but I used it on "important days" or days where I had to get an early workout in. (Personally, I like the combination of the two).

I think you would be pleased with either one or even both.

-Ant

[fit2be40]

i love nano vapor, i know most mt products are over priced and over hyped but this procuct works great for me, anyone else like it??

Just bought Nano on sale & absolutely loved it! Nano gave me a pump immediately after consumption. What I liked most is not feeling irritated after my work out with Nano compared to Explode. Plus I was able to sleep better. Maybe Nano get's in and OUT of your system faster than Explode...anyone else?

[Warneckutz]

Just bought Nano on sale & absolutely loved it! Nano gave me a pump immediately after consumption. What I liked most is not feeling irritated after my work out with Nano compared to Explode. Plus I was able to sleep better. Maybe Nano get's in and OUT of your system faster than Explode...anyone else?

I've tried both NO-Xplode and Nano and *I* grew a tolerance to both of them (the Nano faster than the NO-Xplode). The first couple of days they both did well by me but when it takes 4-5 scoops to get the same effect, it's not worth to me.

[Trem24]

NO-Xplodes sucks

[aarroonn]

used mri no2 back in the day, then noxplode which seemed just like a foamy placebo and moved to superpump which worked but gave me huge gastrointestinal problems(farts-->****s-->shards). So now I decided to join the white flood bandwagon and see what the buzz is about. so far I LOVE IT, stacked with sizeon and my pumps feel outrageous. i wanna feel that tingling people talk about--may be due to 1 scoop instead of 2... all i can tolerate with this psychopump!

[Dreamscapes]

How many people that use(d) Super Pump here have had problems with their stomach afterwards? I just bought a trial size of it and have been hearing some people's horror stories (good product, bad side effects).

Just curious, I'm on a cut, anyhow. :)

[Warneckutz]

used mri no2 back in the day, then noxplode which seemed just like a foamy placebo and moved to superpump which worked but gave me huge gastrointestinal problems(farts-->****s-->shards). So now I decided to join the white flood bandwagon and see what the buzz is about. so far I LOVE IT, stacked with sizeon and my pumps feel outrageous. i wanna feel that tingling people talk about--may be due to 1 scoop instead of 2... all i can tolerate with this psychopump!

I've heard a lot of good things about SizeOn...

I'm stacking my White Flood with Green MAG, Purple Wraath and GlycerGrow... I've been on that stack for almost an entire year (a few breaks here and there) but it's been a great stack so far.

[aarroonn]

I've heard a lot of good things about SizeOn...

I'm stacking my White Flood with Green MAG, Purple Wraath and GlycerGrow... I've been on that stack for almost an entire year (a few breaks here and there) but it's been a great stack so far.

isnt purple wrath just a bunch of aminos?? i'm getting 10g bcaa's with 2 servings of elitewhey postworkout.

almost out of sizeon so just placed an order with some mhp dark matter... looks promising

[l.lai]

5 scoops hahahahaha
The fact that you need 5 scoops is telling of how much weaker of a product it is. 2-3 scoops of No-Explode and you have to push people of machines in gym.

No-Explode till I explode! <-- I just came up with that..I might add it to my quotes.

SuperPump ****s all over N.O. Xplode. Literally.

[Warneckutz]

isnt purple wrath just a bunch of aminos?? i'm getting 10g bcaa's with 2 servings of elitewhey postworkout.

almost out of sizeon so just placed an order with some mhp dark matter... looks promising

Yes, it's their BCAA formula. They threw in a little Beta Alanine to spice it up too. I eat every two hours and I've been throwing in a few caps of ON BCAA pills with each meal (that's 1-2 ON pills 8x a day) but I sip Purple Wraath from the beginning of my workout to the end. I may be OD'ing on the whole BCAA idea but I've noticed quicker recovery and I've been able to maintain most of my strength even though I've been on an extremely low-carb phase in preparation for my next event.

[fernandoh87]

Hey i am new here and have a question about a N O product. I tried using the search function but came up with no results.... I am currently on N O shotgun. I really like it! But i was in Nutri shop today and they told me about a product called Fuzion from Vita Sports. They have a pill form called FUZION K-AKG3 witch is sopose to be used in a stack. But im talking about the powder form that basically has the stack in it if im not mistaken. They said its much better than N O shotgun and NO-Xplode. So my question is has any body tried this? If so did they like it?

Thanks

[*DH*]

How many people that use(d) Super Pump here have had problems with their stomach afterwards? I just bought a trial size of it and have been hearing some people's horror stories (good product, bad side effects).

Just curious, I'm on a cut, anyhow. :)

I've been wondering that as well.

Except I'm on a bulk, lol.

[sakurakilla]

I've been wondering that as well.

Except I'm on a bulk, lol.

well... i would say before u buy the superpump make sure u got a whole box of toiletpaper ready as a pct ^^

[deserusan]

well... i would say before u buy the superpump make sure u got a whole box of toiletpaper ready as a pct ^^

It's funny you say that because it sells over 100K units a month and we never seem to hear about those complaints. Is there any correlation that most of the complaints come from faceless forum posters with a low post count? Hmmmm.....

[Blitz n destroy]

well... i would say before u buy the superpump make sure u got a whole box of toiletpaper ready as a pct ^^

Odd...I never got super ****s with it, and I've never had one returned because of that either...and I've sold over 300.

[fit2be40]

used mri no2 back in the day, then noxplode which seemed just like a foamy placebo and moved to superpump which worked but gave me huge gastrointestinal problems(farts-->****s-->shards). So now I decided to join the white flood bandwagon and see what the buzz is about. so far I LOVE IT, stacked with sizeon and my pumps feel outrageous. i wanna feel that tingling people talk about--may be due to 1 scoop instead of 2... all i can tolerate with this psychopump!

Thanks for the info, my husband & I are looking forward to trying White Flood when Nano runs out.

[My_Porsche]

It's funny you say that because it sells over 100K units a month and we never seem to hear about those complaints. Is there any correlation that most of the complaints come from faceless forum posters with a low post count? Hmmmm.....
Another forum I'm on a member with 3-4,000 posts started taking it and said all it did for him was give him incredibly intense stomach pains, thus why people call it SuperDump250, for whatever that's worth.

[aarroonn]

It's funny you say that because it sells over 100K units a month and we never seem to hear about those complaints. Is there any correlation that most of the complaints come from faceless forum posters with a low post count? Hmmmm.....

dont get me wrong its an excellent product as far as n.o. effetiveness, i tried not eating at all before taking sp250 to eating a huge meal right before(btw is the worst idea) and i have a very strong anti-bloat/gas stomach. i really think it's the magnesium content. just got my bodyspace so i hope that explains low post count. i love gaspari's sizeon, man i see me getting stronger with every day i workout with that beautiful stuff! I understand reps gotta protect their product... so maybe my magnesium tolerance is killing me.

[TheBigRigatoni]

Thanks for the info, my husband & I are looking forward to trying White Flood when Nano runs out.

good stuff white flood...stack it with Green Mag and get some serious pump and results..just remember to cycle it

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I've heard SuperPump can be rough, can't say from experience though.

I've been using White Flood for almost a year now (I think they're on Version 3) and I've never had an issue (with Version 2 or Version 3). I've tried Animal Pump as well and even combined it with White Flood - it was a little extreme but I used it on "important days" or days where I had to get an early workout in. (Personally, I like the combination of the two).

I think you would be pleased with either one or even both.

-Ant
awesome, white flood is one of a kind and you get 50 workouts from a tub :eek:

used mri no2 back in the day, then noxplode which seemed just like a foamy placebo and moved to superpump which worked but gave me huge gastrointestinal problems(farts-->****s-->shards). So now I decided to join the white flood bandwagon and see what the buzz is about. so far I LOVE IT, stacked with sizeon and my pumps feel outrageous. i wanna feel that tingling people talk about--may be due to 1 scoop instead of 2... all i can tolerate with this psychopump!
glad you are enjoying it :)

isnt purple wrath just a bunch of aminos?? i'm getting 10g bcaa's with 2 servings of elitewhey postworkout.

almost out of sizeon so just placed an order with some mhp dark matter... looks promising
no, purple wraath isnt just a bunch of aminos. its only essential amino acids and its got a great endurance blend. your protein has amino acids in it, but it has the full spectrum and they are not free form. the aminos in purple wraath are free form and can be used during a workout for immediate absorption.

Thanks for the info, my husband & I are looking forward to trying White Flood when Nano runs out.keep us posted, feedback is important to us


good stuff white flood...stack it with Green Mag and get some serious pump and results..just remember to cycle it

yup and bb.com has reduced priced stacks of these :)

[TheBigRigatoni]

awesome, white flood is one of a kind and you get 50 workouts from a tub :eek:

glad you are enjoying it :)

no, purple wraath isnt just a bunch of aminos. its only essential amino acids and its got a great endurance blend. your protein has amino acids in it, but it has the full spectrum and they are not free form. the aminos in purple wraath are free form and can be used during a workout for immediate absorption.
keep us posted, feedback is important to us



yup and bb.com has reduced priced stacks of these :)

do you think that wf will every come out with stim free tub? want to see if i get same results...that's why i havent taking it in so long..i would luv to start up again

[G00fySmiley]

I've tried alot of NOS products from NOshotgun, NOS , NOS Black, NOexplode, NaNoX9, NaNo vapor and a few more.

Noxplode hit the fastest but it was mostly just caffine rush, no real results no real extended feeling of vitality.

NaNox9 hit hard and disappeared just as fast but at least it didn't gve a caffine crash

NOS was good but wasn't nearly as strong as any of the other products

NO shotgun was kinda liek the name sounds all over the place and kinda made me feel stong at first then a little weak then strrong again culminating in feeling sick and wanting to vomit

NaNo vapor was great hit hard and lasted long but my ears felt liek they were on fire and were bright red

NOS Black i like the best, doesn't hit as hard as NaNo vapor but it did last longer and i felt energized hours after my workout, without feeling liek i could fry an egg on my forehead.

[fernandoh87]

Any one have any expeirence with FUZION K-AKG3 (powder form) by vita sport? I am new to this sit and currently on N O shotgun. The local Nutishop told me about this product and how its better than N O shotgun and NO-Xplode. So im curious on what you guys think about this product? Thanks

[G00fySmiley]

never tried it, but judging by the contents i'd imagine it's abotu like NOexplode, but minus the caffine and add in Arginine-Alpha-Ketoglutarate (AAKG) which is a VERY good thing, much liek NoS black its gonna make the it hit harder and faster.

i will note am not a fan of an omni-supliment, but it seems to also have a good creatine in it, decent NoS and delivery, so i'd say give it a try. let us know what you think about it. if i had to do one supliment judging by the contents that'd go onto my list of possibilities.

[tapoutj4423]

im taking no2 black right now and its workin pretty damn good!

[fernandoh87]

never tried it, but judging by the contents i'd imagine it's abotu like NOexplode, but minus the caffine and add in Arginine-Alpha-Ketoglutarate (AAKG) which is a VERY good thing, much liek NoS black its gonna make the it hit harder and faster.

i will note am not a fan of an omni-supliment, but it seems to also have a good creatine in it, decent NoS and delivery, so i'd say give it a try. let us know what you think about it. if i had to do one supliment judging by the contents that'd go onto my list of possibilities.
Thanks. Yea from what ive read as far as contents go it seems to be pretty good. And has better stuff than N O shotgun and NO-xplode. I will be buying some on thursday. So ill let you guys know what i think

[CONTROLLED LABS]

do you think that wf will every come out with stim free tub? want to see if i get same results...that's why i havent taking it in so long..i would luv to start up again

we have a stim free option called white blood

[TheBigRigatoni]

we have a stim free option called white blood

oo yea forgot brain fart!!!! i figure since wf last so long, that it would come out with stim free tub and i would love it even more

[viperguy212]

Anyone here ever try MRI's Black Powder?

Ive taken both NOxplode and Nitrix and i feel like neither have done anything for me, often times the NOexplode gives me a kind of sick feeling

so im either going to try this stuff (since a buddy of mine has some positive results from it) or superpump which was also recomended to me

[stondifirous]

anyone tried the new vpx shotgun vs. they old one?
please post here:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=108654941&highlight=no+shotgun

[Shelloutfalter]

My workout buddy purchased some Methyl 1D and got some free NO Infuse with it. I've never heard of a topical NO supplement and can't imagine it working. Anyone have any experience with it?

[G00fySmiley]

the only "topical" use of NO i've heard of is enzyte topical rush ... so hey if ti doens't work for working out there are other uses for it at least 0_o

[Mr. ESPN]

we have a stim free option called white blood

Now I'm confused.. I was reading the stackig info and product info and what not on the CL site as well as BB.com, and I assumed that White Blood was an "enhancer" of sorts for White Flood. Is this incorrect? If so, is there a reason to take both, or am I fine with just WF and no WB?

[BBingGuru]

SUPERPUMP 250!
Its absolutely amazing!!!
Its by Gaspari Nutrition.
I have had the best pumped of my life since being on it and I have tried NO Explode.
I definitely recomend trying it.
Especially the refreshing orange flavor.
You can get free sample packs off the internet and they will mail it to you.
-Dave

[Warneckutz]

Now I'm confused.. I was reading the stackig info and product info and what not on the CL site as well as BB.com, and I assumed that White Blood was an "enhancer" of sorts for White Flood. Is this incorrect? If so, is there a reason to take both, or am I fine with just WF and no WB?

I stacked both of them for awhile, I was taking White Blood prior to bedtime since it's stim-free (I believe it is anyway, regardless, it didn't keep me awake at night). I noticed slightly better pumps when I was using both of them but if *I* were to only choose one, I'd go with White Flood because it's a pretty insanse product on its own.

Hope that helps a little.

-Ant

[05impalaSS]

wow I cant believe there are 160 pages of this

IMO

Shock Therapy,
NO Xplode
super pump
white flood

are all great products, you have to try them to see what works best for you

[Warneckutz]

are all great products, you have to try them to see what works best for you

I totally agree with that statement, every body reacts differently to the ol' N.O.

I keep White Flood at the top of my list, but there are others I'd like to try just so I can get a comparison...

[TheAdlerian]

I used Nanovapor for several weeks and enjoyed the effects, but I consider it rather expensive.

Is it possible to buy the ingredients that make it work individually, thus saving money? If so, what do you guys think are the main ingredients?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Now I'm confused.. I was reading the stackig info and product info and what not on the CL site as well as BB.com, and I assumed that White Blood was an "enhancer" of sorts for White Flood. Is this incorrect? If so, is there a reason to take both, or am I fine with just WF and no WB?no "need" to take both, buy you can: white flood preworkout and white blood before bed :)

[ctsmiley]

is NO2 by MRI supposed to work the first time u take it? i've been taking it for about a week with MRI's CE2 and haven't felt anything... :(

[G00fySmiley]

is NO2 by MRI supposed to work the first time u take it? i've been taking it for about a week with MRI's CE2 and haven't felt anything... :(


takes a week or so for full effect, but you should feel something first few days. the powders on the other hand hit almost instantly.

that said some poeple don't respond to and AAK (precurser to NO2) product much , try the powders, if they don't work then you may wanna lean more to creatine for a bigger pump and better workouts

[RedlineRider]

MRI NO2 Black Powder has been great for me, feel crazy pumped before I even get into the gym!

[gncgirl17]

I used Nanovapor for several weeks and enjoyed the effects, but I consider it rather expensive.

Is it possible to buy the ingredients that make it work individually, thus saving money? If so, what do you guys think are the main ingredients?


Nanovapor have too many blends that its impossible to buy everything individually. You can also try Black Powder from MRI, something very similar to Nano Vapor.

I work at GNC so ask if you need some advice.

[TheBigRigatoni]

I used Nanovapor for several weeks and enjoyed the effects, but I consider it rather expensive.

Is it possible to buy the ingredients that make it work individually, thus saving money? If so, what do you guys think are the main ingredients?
NRG-X stack of MaXX Pump and Beta-MaXX...that's all i use...has the same ingredients that most pre-NO2 have in them (l-arginine and beta-alanine)

[irboreddd]

Currenly using NO-Xplode stacked with Nitrix. Keeps me pumped and alive in the gym all day!

Thinking of trying MRI Black Powder after the NO-Xplode and Nitrix is done since I have to cycle off of it.

[TheBigRigatoni]

has anybody besides me tried the NRG-X stack? feedback

[ForceFan27]

I have used Black Powder, but it is crap compared to NO Explode - but again, everyone is different.

[godspawn]

I've found the most consistent of all the NO products i've tried so far has been Superpump 250. I still only use 1.5 scoops and i get a great pump and energy/endurance to get through my workout. Other products such as NO Xplode lose their potency after time, thus value for money goes out the window...
Also, for all those that keep mentioning the 'toilet issues' associated with Superpump....whilst a change in stool consistency is noticable, just make sure you have a small meal about 1 hour before taking it and it's really not that bad at all....certainly considering the consistent, quality workouts this stuff provides...

[baseripper1]

Superpump 250 was great - It was just as good as NoXplode - but it gave me awful bowel movements and gas... I ended up using 3 scoops to get a good pump.

Noxplode is my all time favorite - At first I use 2 scoops - but after several weeks I often find myself up to 4 scoops.

I tried NO TRAC Xtreme (sp?) by MHP and felt no pump whatsoever. I find this interesting because my friends had raved about it beyond belief.

I've heard good things about Dymatize Xpand - I've tried 2 servings of it - not as effective as the NO xplode.

I'm intent on trying a new NO supplement starting in 2 weeks. I haven't supplemented creatine or any NO products since December and want to see what type of effects theyre going to have on me. I was formerly 215 lbs with an 18% bf. Now I am 178 lbs with a 10% bf. I'm sure I will react differently to NO supplements these days - and hopefully require a smaller dose per workout.

I'm leaning towards NO2 Black or White Flood... Any suggestions?

[baseripper1]

Let me add that whatever supp. I choose to take next, I'm looking for vascularity and an increased nutrient flow. I don't need the ultra-stim effects some of these caffeine loaded NO products have...

[tmertz]

Anyone try the new Nanox9 Hardcore? Whats the difference between that and the regular one?

[scorpo86]

i take black powder and it works good

[Warneckutz]

Let me add that whatever supp. I choose to take next, I'm looking for vascularity and an increased nutrient flow. I don't need the ultra-stim effects some of these caffeine loaded NO products have...

For what it's worth, I've gone through a few different NO products (powder) and I think White Flood has definitely helped with the vascularity and overall "pump" for ME.

There are still a few products out there I really would like to try, but I've stuck with White Flood for almost an entire year and I've had some clients at my gym remark about the vascularity they've noticed while I take it.

[DTSwole]

i take black powder and it works good


helll yezzz bro stuffs insane

[Knucklehead00]

After reading nothing but rank and raves about White Flood, I have decided to give it a go. I got Green Mag with it and I am planning on running the stack of course. I may pick up Purple Wrath down the road for the mid-workout kick.

I just tried NO Shotgun and that stuff was terrible. It is now the product that I have had the WORST crashes on. 1 hour in the gym and after that I feel like someone just hit me with a Mac truck.

[baseripper1]

I forgot to mention (in my last post), that I've gone through a container of Black Powder myself...

I liked the taste and initial surge it gave me, but it wasn't a mind-blowing pump like taking 3-4 scoops of NOXPLODE... then again this might have been a good thing since I wasn't OD'ing on caffeine pre-training everyday.

It was easier on the body compared to noxplode too... I wasn't nautious (sp?) or as jittery.

The effects wore off after 20 minutes of cardio and 30 minutes of lifting, leaving the last 30 mins of lifting pretty tiring...

For such a small quantity and a high price, I probably wouldn't use it again.

I like what I'm hearing about white flood though - It's the front runner for my next pre-training supp.

[joey31394]

Supercharge Extreme N.o. Hands Down Energy Is Great Pumps Are InsaNe And Taset Great

[zeebodybuilder]

Supercharge Extreme N.o. Hands Down Energy Is Great Pumps Are InsaNe And Taset Great

is this 4 real???? you are only 14..

[sublimina1]

Supercharge Extreme N.o. Hands Down Energy Is Great Pumps Are InsaNe

Supercharge is crazy. i loved the pumps i got when i was taking that stuff but i got pretty jittery taking it so i didn't buy it again.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

For what it's worth, I've gone through a few different NO products (powder) and I think White Flood has definitely helped with the vascularity and overall "pump" for ME.

There are still a few products out there I really would like to try, but I've stuck with White Flood for almost an entire year and I've had some clients at my gym remark about the vascularity they've noticed while I take it.
absolutely and with that kind of result you would think it would be expensive, but its less than 40 bucks and you get at least 50 workouts from each tub :)

After reading nothing but rank and raves about White Flood, I have decided to give it a go. I got Green Mag with it and I am planning on running the stack of course. I may pick up Purple Wrath down the road for the mid-workout kick.

.
sounds good, looking forward to your feedback on white flood and the stack overall

[yungprodigy]

i have experienced great things with MRI's Black Powder, great gains, but i have heard Gaspari's Super Pump 250 is similiar and cheaper, anyone know the facts?

[AmericanPsycho]

I too have heard good things about NO2 Black & Black Powder. Superpump I've heard is good but makes you **** more than most NO products so there's an opportunity cost there

[bman2380]

if you dont mind the extra ****ting, you'll probably get better pumps then the rest.....in my opinion of course

[caleb1]

what is the difference out of
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/vpx/synthesize.html

and this

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/vpx/no.html

[AmericanPsycho]

Synthesize is post workout, Shotgun is pre.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

i have experienced great things with MRI's Black Powder, great gains, but i have heard Gaspari's Super Pump 250 is similiar and cheaper, anyone know the facts?

at 15 you dont really need these

[G0re0bsessed]

at 15 you dont really need these

Yeah I really don't understand why kids have such a hard on for supplements. I was happy at age 17 to just lift and run track (I was on a track team in HS). Never wanted to drop any money on expensive supplements until I started making a LOT more money about a year ago and had some to throw around on powders and pills :)

[Knucklehead00]

Alright, I have done 2 days with the WF/GM stack and I bloody LOVE IT! No caffeine rush, no jitters. Nothing but pure focus and endurance.

I have not felt this good coming out of the gym in quite some time. I am feeling the soreness from the amount of weight I have been lifting, but it feels damn good. You know you are working something hard when you are still getting the soreness through the creatine and NO.

<3 Leg Hump CL!

[Knucklehead00]

Yeah I really don't understand why kids have such a hard on for supplements. I was happy at age 17 to just lift and run track (I was on a track team in HS). Never wanted to drop any money on expensive supplements until I started making a LOT more money about a year ago and had some to throw around on powders and pills :)

We all know of the mind of being a teen...go big or go home. With the way high school sports are nowadays, everyone is trying to get an edge up. I think that the statistics for teens taking Test enhancers, NO and Creatine products has sharply increased in the past 4-5 years.

It is really sad to see that type of thing happening because teens are already screwing up their bodies when they are not even fully developed yet.

I would say you wait till you are at least 18-20 before you get a "hard-on" on some of these more potent supplements.

Of course, that is just my 2 cents. Learn from experience is what I always say :D

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Alright, I have done 2 days with the WF/GM stack and I bloody LOVE IT! No caffeine rush, no jitters. Nothing but pure focus and endurance.

I have not felt this good coming out of the gym in quite some time. I am feeling the soreness from the amount of weight I have been lifting, but it feels damn good. You know you are working something hard when you are still getting the soreness through the creatine and NO.

<3 Leg Hump CL!

glad to hear it, that seems to be the general sentiment about the stack :)

you may want to think about adding purple wraath into the mix to lessen the soreness and DOMS. it helps with recovery and endurance and we and bb.com both offer free samples of it

[luisfes]

I'm using whey protein, is working very slowly but still giving me results though...

also, i'm affraid to use creatine, seems like ur veins r gona explode, judging from what i've red so far.

Can some1 tell me what gives u better and faster results, whey protein or creatine??

[PowerHouse88]

Plasma Jet is the best i have ever tried, its so powerfull you only take it every other day! The only downfall is that one serving is 10 pills.

[TheFugitive]

NO Shotgun V3 by VPX best NO product on the market...

[Methadrol]

Used NO xplode for a little while. definatly getting the pump but it will be my last tub. I get just as much energy from purple wrath and im looking at animal pump

[gonnabripped]

ha s anyone used gaspari superpump 250? Any jitters? Any results good or bad? Also wondering about their size on product. I love optimum nutrition products but gaspari is saying their stuff is the bomb.

[knight-Bane]

no explode is the best no out there a lot of people think it doesnt do good but its not meant for weight lifting its meant for other activities like rowing or biking.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Used NO xplode for a little while. definatly getting the pump but it will be my last tub. I get just as much energy from purple wrath and im looking at animal pump

good to hear, especially considering its stim free

[Austin109]

no explode is the best no out there a lot of people think it doesnt do good but its not meant for weight lifting its meant for other activities like rowing or biking.

it is meant for lifting though...

[Abigopq]

Hemodraulix is pretty ballin...take caffeine with it if I want a stim but its nice if you workout late and pumps are sick

[Lies]

Why no love for N30? MRI Black Powder's fizzy older brother.

I like the stuff way more than black powder.

[SizeonYESYESYES]

First bottle watch out, you'll get all the 'side effects' for awhile (sick feeling, headache). If your cycling off from anything else with NO/creatine ect like NO Xplode (like I did) you'll probably find the first couple servings don't give you ANY energy at all. Infact I felt discouraged to lift for awhile. Its gonna get into your system, its a ****LOAD of amino's. Plus make sure you start it after you cycled off arginine heavy or other amino heavy products or it will crash you EVERY time.

I'm going on my second bottle and its working great now. I do miss the instant energy surge Nitrix + No xplode gave me but the amino profile of Xplode doesn't compare to Vapor.

I'm wondering if anyone here has mixed Nitrix with Vapor before? I'm thinking of it..cuz although Vapor is great and has all the amino's its not enough arginine to keep that pumped feeling through-out the day. Is this safe guys or just too much and I would crash all day? Any of you tried it with any good results?




just bought Nano vapor 2 days ago.
just finished superpump, and before that, i just finished N0xplode.
are you saying i need to take a break from the superpump? or just go right on to the nano? i took the nano today and all i did was get tired..and i crashed!

[SizeonYESYESYES]

i have experienced great things with MRI's Black Powder, great gains, but i have heard Gaspari's Super Pump 250 is similiar and cheaper, anyone know the facts?

Yea...But the bucket comes half empty...

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Yea...But the bucket comes half empty...

who cares how full a container is as long as it comes with the amount of powder it says it has

[waijai]

Just ordered some White Blood which should be here tonight. can't wait to report my experience.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Just ordered some White Blood which should be here tonight. can't wait to report my experience.

sounds good. will you be taking it preworkout or pre bed?

[vigge]

http://www.gymgrossisten.com/bilder/artiklar/7043.jpg

Ingredienser/ Ingredients /Ainekset 100g:
Tri Creatine Malate 20 gram
Arginine AKG 15 gram
Beta Alanine 15 gram
Betaine Anhydrous 10 gram
MCT 10 gram
L- Citruline Malate 7,5 gram
Taurine 5 gram
L- Tyrosine 5 gram
L- Fenylalanine 5 gram
Vitamin C 2 gram
Magnesium 2 gram
Koffein 800 mg
Arom
Aspartam

[j4l4p3n0]

For preworkout I take 400mg of caffeine, 250mg siberian gingseng and to wash it down I have a huge ass glass of green tea.

[fame2]

Ive been using White Flood for approx 1 month. Ive been seeing great results so far. The "tingle" effect freaked me out when i first started using it but I quickly got used to it. Along with a great pump, it also gives me tremendous focus which is something I always struggled with.

I do have a question though. Is white flood something I should be cycling? If so, how often should I cycle it? Thanks.

[Rolodex916]

NO Shotgun v3 is the most complete NO supplement I have come across yet!!! It also adds 20grm of protien to it witch I have yet to see in a NO.

[Eightpak]

http://www.gymgrossisten.com/bilder/artiklar/7043.jpg

Ingredienser/ Ingredients /Ainekset 100g:
Tri Creatine Malate 20 gram
Arginine AKG 15 gram
Beta Alanine 15 gram
Betaine Anhydrous 10 gram
MCT 10 gram
L- Citruline Malate 7,5 gram
Taurine 5 gram
L- Tyrosine 5 gram
L- Fenylalanine 5 gram
Vitamin C 2 gram
Magnesium 2 gram
Koffein 800 mg
Arom
Aspartam
Wow, talk about overkill on every single ingredient. :eek:

[Chocobananas]

My friend couldnt stomach nano vapor so i got a free tub of it. Doesnt taste bad or anything guess hes just super picky. So in this order

1. Nano Vapor
2. white flood
3. SP 250
4. NoXplode

[vigge]

Wow, talk about overkill on every single ingredient. :eek:

m'kay... serving size: 25 g

[ALWAYZGROWING]

I've tried pretty much everything and this works great-AND it has 16 grams of protein AND you only need 1-1.5 scoops at the most(and I'm 319lbs.)-this product ROCKS but everyone is wired differently, so you have to use trial and error, not just what you read.

[Warneckutz]

everyone is wired differently, so you have to use trial and error, not just what you read.

VERY TRUE.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Ive been using White Flood for approx 1 month. Ive been seeing great results so far. The "tingle" effect freaked me out when i first started using it but I quickly got used to it. Along with a great pump, it also gives me tremendous focus which is something I always struggled with.

I do have a question though. Is white flood something I should be cycling? If so, how often should I cycle it? Thanks.

glad to hear that, many are loving white flood. cycle off for a week after every 30 days of use :)

[TatedBrown]

N.O. Shotgun!!!! Taste is disgusting but the combination of ingredients are awesome! The "tingle" from beta-alanine is great and lasts for a while. I have super pumps and vascularity goes through the roof. I am on my thirf tub and still feel the effects! Low in caffeine and doesn't give you the tired feeling through your workout!

[vos103]

SuperPump 250 hands down! THis stuff actually does what the label says it does. i've never been as focused in the gym with any other supp except for superpump 250. Its not expensive at all compared to other NO products out there, you just have to search in the right places! You WILL get stronger, more vascular, and bigger from this product. Give it a try. Gaspari Nutrition all the way!!

[bzd]

Animal Pump - Crap
Super Pump 250 - Awesome
White Flood - OK

I have started taking a half dose each of SP250 and WF (to use up the WF) and that works good.

Overall I would have to say SP250 is the ****. No jitters, great focus and awesome pumps. Their Size On product is the bomb too.

Gaspari all the way.

[raw157]

Personally I have seen great improvement with BSN No-explode. I have been using it for 4 weeks or so now. Compared even to my fastest gains ever,with the product I am gaining faster then ever.

Also, my leg work out usually makes me soar for over a day. With BSN, im out ridding the next morning with out a problem. Good recovery time.

[bryan101b]

i will list the n.o products i've used in order from best to last.

no-explode-the best. makes me focused, i get awsome pumps. good stuff.
xpand- a slightly cheaper version of no-explode, but leaves a chalky after taste, and if i drank a second serving a few hours after the first, i would get a headache.
no2-was okay, but too expensive for little results.
no2 platinum- didn't see shcrap from this.

i think i'll try the superpump 250 next, i've been reading good things about it. and i also want to try out the m.techs naNO vapor.

[bryan101b]

Wow, talk about overkill on every single ingredient. :eek:


HA HA funny, but so true. though, i'd like to give it a try see how it works.

[johnb1027]

hands down superpump 250 ive used no xplode, black powder , redline none even comeclose

[alexdowns]

plasma jet works well, not a ton of vascularity but MASSIVE strength gains!

[ruckrules]

NO-Shotgun V3 and Superpump 250 are the best.

It will be a good stack:

NO-Shotgun V3 Preworkout and NO-Synthesize Post-Workout

or

Superpump 250 Preworkout and SizeOn PWO.

[mjhtan]

I've tried NoXplode, SP250 and White Flood.

White Flood was by far the best NO product out of the three. I had the better energy and pumps, as well as increased my lifts more dramatically from WF. Keep up the good work CL!

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I've tried NoXplode, SP250 and White Flood.

White Flood was by far the best NO product out of the three. I had the better energy and pumps, as well as increased my lifts more dramatically from WF. Keep up the good work CL!

thanks very much, glad you enjoyed the white flood. great bang for your buck as well.

[tatumspapa]

Has Anyone Tried Met Rx Amped?
I Have Tried No-xplode And Nano Vapor.
No-xplode I Give A 6 Out Of 10
Nano Vapor 5 Out Of 10
Both Left Me Tired And Motion-less, Complete Waste Of Money.

[palanilopez12]

thanks very much, glad you enjoyed the white flood. great bang for your buck as well.

i always feel like im not getting the same amount of servings as stated on the bottle and im about to finish my third tub...anyone else having problems with this???maybe i scoop just a little more then i am suppossed to because i love the product so much haha :)

[TheBigRigatoni]

Has anybody besides me been using the NRG-X stack of MaXX Pump and Beta-MaXX....i still to this day get great results from this stack...minus the caffeine and creatine...i get the big burn and pump..with not mixing and crazy flavors..anybody?

[Lhew]

Has anybody besides me been using the NRG-X stack of MaXX Pump and Beta-MaXX....i still to this day get great results from this stack...minus the caffeine and creatine...i get the big burn and pump..with not mixing and crazy flavors..anybody?


my cousin does the same thing i tink. he got great results

[CONTROLLED LABS]

i always feel like im not getting the same amount of servings as stated on the bottle and im about to finish my third tub...anyone else having problems with this???maybe i scoop just a little more then i am suppossed to because i love the product so much haha :)

that is possible especially since its two scoops per serving, if you take even 10% more per scoop you will come out 5 servings behind. the only way to be 100% sure (not worth the time in my opinion) is to weight out the serving each time, then you will have exactly 50.

[TheBigRigatoni]

my cousin does the same thing i tink. he got great results

nice....it works great

[Xpoondaddy69]

i like it because it getsme focused
it also gets me pumped up really quick
and i sweat a lot more

[wvmountaineer]

I used superpump and plasmajet together for a month..
I gained like 12 lbs, muscle and lost a good bit of bodyfat.

I'd definately suggest that. How long should i wait to cycle it again? i just finished 2 days ago

[waijai]

sounds good. will you be taking it preworkout or pre bed?

I've done both so far. I was extremely sore from a leg workout, which normally takes me 4-5 days to fully recover. I could barely walk. But the white blood has helped me recover in about 2 days. Just added Green Mag and Purple Wrath to the mix as well. Taking it before bed really has helped I think. My gf likes it too. :)

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I've done both so far. I was extremely sore from a leg workout, which normally takes me 4-5 days to fully recover. I could barely walk. But the white blood has helped me recover in about 2 days. Just added Green Mag and Purple Wrath to the mix as well. Taking it before bed really has helped I think. My gf likes it too. :)

awesome :)

I bet she does ;) :D

[bambam77]

For me Niox has been the best NO product that I have taken. I like my NO to not have all the extras like caffiene and other stimulants. Plus Niox has a liquid delivery system which seems to hit alot faster than powders and such.

[memanme]

Does Nitric Oxide products increase doms?
I just started using it and was flexing my quads and calves a few times between sets during arm day yesterday, i had lactic acid soreness in the quads from it. This morning i have doms in both quads and mildly in calves? Doesn't make much sense since all i did was flex them a bit. I have way more soreness in my quads then my arms, almost none in my arms.
This hasn't happen before, the only difference was nitric oxide supplement.

[shantznmypantz]

Ive used NO Shotgun before. The taste is amazing. And by amazing I mean it's the worst tasting drink ever. It'll make you the worst Jenga player in the world, too. It gave me some good energy, but def. not worth it.

Today I used the full serving of White Flood for the first time. I didn't really feel that tingle effect people have been talking about. Not sure if that is good or bad but i don't really care. The taste was fine. It mixed well (NO Shotgun does not). Most importantly, it works really well. I had to pull myself away from the gym today. I felt like I could keep lifting for the whole day. Taking breaks b/w sets became annoying because I didn't feel like waiting. I lifted more weight too.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Ive used NO Shotgun before. The taste is amazing. And by amazing I mean it's the worst tasting drink ever. It'll make you the worst Jenga player in the world, too. It gave me some good energy, but def. not worth it.

Today I used the full serving of White Flood for the first time. I didn't really feel that tingle effect people have been talking about. Not sure if that is good or bad but i don't really care. The taste was fine. It mixed well (NO Shotgun does not). Most importantly, it works really well. I had to pull myself away from the gym today. I felt like I could keep lifting for the whole day. Taking breaks b/w sets became annoying because I didn't feel like waiting. I lifted more weight too.
glad to hear white flood is working well for you. just because you didnt get the tingle doesnt mean the beta alanine isnt working for you, some people dont get the tingles at all from it no matter what the dosage

[depauldem17]

I've used Superpump, and no doubt it works great, but I'd like to take something without caffeine.

I'm also worried about Turkerstrone in SP250, seems like some sort of dangerous ingredient.

Any suggestions for low caffeine/caffeine free NOs??

[HairlessPeePee]

universals animal nitro

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I've used Superpump, and no doubt it works great, but I'd like to take something without caffeine.

I'm also worried about Turkerstrone in SP250, seems like some sort of dangerous ingredient.

Any suggestions for low caffeine/caffeine free NOs??
white blood is stim free ;)

universals animal nitro

that is not an NO product

[nickypeeks]

SuperPump 250 and BSN NO-Explode are definetly the best

[nrut88]

You guys know much about Nitrix by BSN?
I heard the stuff keeps you looking jacked all day?

[mario5890]

i've started taking no explode and nitrix last week and i have really noticed that i get better pumps than nano vapor. it does keep you pumped through out the day. just make sure you drink the recommended amount water. and strenght wise i've noticed really good improvent in all my lifts, specially biceps i was curling 40 and now i've moved up to 50's.

[tatumspapa]

I've been on Met Rx Amped now for 4 days, the pump and focus are better (in my opinion) than No- Xplode and NANO Vapor. However, I just tired a sample pak of Dymatize Xpand tablets and son of a b!$%#. That stuff is wicked, I mean absolutely fierce!!!!!!! I will finish this tub of Met Rx, then move on to Dymatize and turn into the HULK!!!!!!!!! Madness! Madness! This is Sparta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ech3lon]

Ive used NO Shotgun before. The taste is amazing. And by amazing I mean it's the worst tasting drink ever. It'll make you the worst Jenga player in the world, too. It gave me some good energy, but def. not worth it.

Today I used the full serving of White Flood for the first time. I didn't really feel that tingle effect people have been talking about. Not sure if that is good or bad but i don't really care. The taste was fine. It mixed well (NO Shotgun does not). Most importantly, it works really well. I had to pull myself away from the gym today. I felt like I could keep lifting for the whole day. Taking breaks b/w sets became annoying because I didn't feel like waiting. I lifted more weight too.

turst me buddy u dont want the tingly effect lol its really annyoing sometimes i wonder if im gone static or if im just getting itchy, but it does wear of after a while, i prefer whiteflood over sp250 but consistent use of whiteflood does cause ur body to become more used to it so i tihnk ill change around my no products after this tub is finished

[drrussell]

I've used Superpump, and no doubt it works great, but I'd like to take something without caffeine.

I'm also worried about Turkerstrone in SP250, seems like some sort of dangerous ingredient.

Any suggestions for low caffeine/caffeine free NOs??

I have used caffeine free Ragnarok (Blue Raz Flavor) for a late night no stim pre-workout drink.

[Ironfreak220]

I know everyones going to hate me for posting this one, but I like using MAPs Altered State stacked along with SNI's Muscle Blast and 20-Beta-Hydroxy. Gives me an insane pump, increased vascularity, mental focus, and strength.

[db2012]

I have both right no NaNOX9 and no explode, I will never buy the no explode again, NaNOX9 is by far hands down the leader in this category. I will take 5 caps when I wake up and 5-6 caps 45 mins before I go train, I get the craziest veins and pumps from it.

[BodybyChina]

Agreed, Muscletech's naNO Vapor is way better then N.O. Explode. Tastes better, works faster and gives way better energy and pumps!!

[movingforward]

I liked ON's Vassive-NO but they seem to have stopped making it. It was the best in price/taste etc that I tried. Most others I've tried are either way too expensive or tasted like cough syrup.

[Tireman84]

the best NO out there is hands down: SuperPump 250. This stuff is like a miracle. Strength and size sky rocket after every use and workout. I compared it to all other NO out there as well. I read alot about all of them and none seem capable of SuperPump 250 results.

Gave me the ****ttts





I took nitrix and didn't see any noticeable results

I gave up on NO products all together

[krookede]

NO2 & Pump Tech, thing of the past.
Vapor has a buttload of caffeine, but a good product. Better than NO-Xplode I believe. I'm trying SP250 now, seems to be working great.
One I DON'T recommend is Fizogen Blast Cycle....E.D. everytime.
Controlled Labs is all over this thread, so now I'm wondering what White Flood is like.
Straight AAKG powder on non-workout days will let your expensive stuff last longer.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

turst me buddy u dont want the tingly effect lol its really annyoing sometimes i wonder if im gone static or if im just getting itchy, but it does wear of after a while, i prefer whiteflood over sp250 but consistent use of whiteflood does cause ur body to become more used to it so i tihnk ill change around my no products after this tub is finished
its not switching NO products that will help. lay off of NO and stim products for 7 days, then jump back on and you will be in great shape.


Controlled Labs is all over this thread, so now I'm wondering what White Flood is like.


give it a shot, you will be impressed and its a great value at 50 workouts, at full dose, per tub :eek:

[Projectevolve]

If you had to pick just ONE nitric oxide (NO) product, what would be the best one?

Please pick the product and include the brand. Give your reasons. The best answers will be displayed on the main Bodybuilding.com site for millions of people to see!

(Note: This is not a discussion about how or when to take nitric oxide products, if you should take nitric oxide products, or why some nitrix oxide products are NOT good. Just list your absolute favorite nitric oxide product and give your detailed reason.)

Energized Xpand by Dymatize, Very good pumps and sustained energy

[tothelimit27]

You guys know much about Nitrix by BSN?
I heard the stuff keeps you looking jacked all day?

IMO ... NITRIX is the worst supplement around... 9 pills a day.. never felt anythinggg... didnt really notice bulging veins... half way through the bottle I just started getting mad chest pains ... half a bottle of horse pills still sitting in my room

[ATLtools]

I've just started Taking MRI's Black Powder Yesterday. Good product. After my workout, i was pumped like crazy. I worked so hard yesterday that I could barley lift my arms. Today I feel fine. I got the Blue Raspberry flavor. Tasted good. The only thing i'm not sure about is all the caffine that's in there. I think next time i'm going to get something without all the caffine

[RippedFibers]

Any SuperPump250 fans? Good Flavors? I use WF, it's OK, trying SuperPump250 in two days though.

[Tireman84]

Any SuperPump250 fans? Good Flavors? I use WF, it's OK, trying SuperPump250 in two days though.

keep near the the toilet

[Dedicated37]

Any SuperPump250 fans? Good Flavors? I use WF, it's OK, trying SuperPump250 in two days though.

Good choice on taking SuperPump250, that stuff is amazing!! Go with Raspberry Lemonade, that flavor seems to be liked by almost everyone.

[Dedicated37]

keep near the the toilet

LOL. From what I know they have updated their formulas a while ago so that you don't have to keep near a toilet :p

[TheBigRigatoni]

NRG-X stack fan......MaXX Pump and Beta-MaXX

[RippedFibers]

keep near the the toilet

SuperDump250 lol? I eat a rice cake with my creatine, so this should settle any problems. Also, didn't they update the forumla?

[PLANETGETLOW]

I've been taking Nano Vapor for about 2 weeks now and the pumps seem great but DAMN does that stuff make me feel funny.

I tried a packet of Animal Pump and got a WONDERFUL pump from that. I'm thinking about some Superpump next. How long does it last?

[FitManJack]

I've been taking Nano Vapor for about 2 weeks now and the pumps seem great but DAMN does that stuff make me feel funny.

I tried a packet of Animal Pump and got a WONDERFUL pump from that. I'm thinking about some Superpump next. How long does it last?


Superpump has 40, 1 scoop servings. My experience is that 1 scoop is enough, so you should get one month to 40 days out of a tub.

I like Superpump 250 a lot more than NO-Explode. Tastes better, works better.

-FMJ

[T.Vo]

I've been taking Nano Vapor for about 2 weeks now and the pumps seem great but DAMN does that stuff make me feel funny.

I tried a packet of Animal Pump and got a WONDERFUL pump from that. I'm thinking about some Superpump next. How long does it last?
I just tried nano vapor last week and i almost fell asleep.. not what i was expecting from a supplement that was supposed to give me energy. I woke up a little after i lifted a few sets, but it wasnt that 'rush' i was used to with pre workouts. I like animal pump better for that. but my personal favorite is NO shotgun by VPX!

my friend has been raving about Black Powder lately and im looking foreward to trying it.

[T.Vo]

Superpump has 40, 1 scoop servings. My experience is that 1 scoop is enough, so you should get one month to 40 days out of a tub.

I like Superpump 250 a lot more than NO-Explode. Tastes better, works better.

-FMJ
ive never tried superpump yet but thats another one ive heard great things about. it seems like no xplode is the 'gateway' pre-workout - most people seem to start with it and use it until they realize there are bigger and better synthetic pumps out there

[shantznmypantz]

unfortunately i have to change my White Flood review. The first couple times I took it, I only had good things to say. Now after I take it my face starts to burn and the tingling is more like itching. The taste got worse as well and reminds me of an old supplement. Not really sure why the results changed so quickly.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

unfortunately i have to change my White Flood review. The first couple times I took it, I only had good things to say. Now after I take it my face starts to burn and the tingling is more like itching. The taste got worse as well and reminds me of an old supplement. Not really sure why the results changed so quickly.

shake up your tub before your next dose, that is the beta alanine making the tingle (as it says on the label) and is a normal characteristic of the compound.

[RIGZ]

I have only ever tried NoXplode and cannot compare, however this has always given me the kick that i need to push out a good solid session in the gym.

I think i'm gonna sample the superpump250 next for a change.

[saken]

Try Black Powder man. It makes weights feel so much more lighter. and gives you a pump like never before. And makes you lift longer too. I lifter full body yesterday taking me 4 hours and still had energy after.

[blkvulcan]

If I didn't get some dizzy side effects three weeks into using NO explode I'd still be using it it was pretty good up until then. I'd say three grams of Arginine pre and post workout would give the same effect.

[saken]

If I didn't get some dizzy side effects three weeks into using NO explode I'd still be using it it was pretty good up until then. I'd say three grams of Arginine pre and post workout would give the same effect.

ya have you tried black powder tho man?

[T.Vo]

Try Black Powder man. It makes weights feel so much more lighter. and gives you a pump like never before. And makes you lift longer too. I lifter full body yesterday taking me 4 hours and still had energy after.
thats exactly what my friend's been sayin. ill need to bum a dose off of him one of these days and try it out

[saken]

thats exactly what my friend's been sayin. ill need to bum a dose off of him one of these days and try it out

ya i thought i was gonna die last night. I had So much energy after i worked out from also taking mass xxx. and i was Hyper as Phuk. but then calmed down. but with just black powder its so good. I take 2 scoops to 2 1/2 scoops. and it works great for me.

[GBLynden]

NO Explode gives me a better pump, but Shock Therapy gives me the most energy. I took some before a late evening workout the other night and I was up until three I was so wired!

[Hulk-619]

No-xplode Definately!

[gatorman2k6]

Been using No-xplode and love it....BUT, I have decided to see what all the fuss is about and try out White Flood and Green Mag. Just ordered them and will start using them Monday since I will have been off No-xplode for a week then. I will give my review after a few days using them. I can't wait.

[saken]

NO Explode gives me a better pump, but Shock Therapy gives me the most energy. I took some before a late evening workout the other night and I was up until three I was so wired!

try black powder man.

[l3urney]

unfortunately i have to change my White Flood review. The first couple times I took it, I only had good things to say. Now after I take it my face starts to burn and the tingling is more like itching. The taste got worse as well and reminds me of an old supplement. Not really sure why the results changed so quickly.

that just means its workin :)

[Lean-n-Mean]

If you had to pick just ONE nitric oxide (NO) product, what would be the best one?

Please pick the product and include the brand. Give your reasons. The best answers will be displayed on the main Bodybuilding.com site for millions of people to see!

(Note: This is not a discussion about how or when to take nitric oxide products, if you should take nitric oxide products, or why some nitrix oxide products are NOT good. Just list your absolute favorite nitric oxide product and give your detailed reason.)

You can create your own NO supp and save a ton of cash in the process.

[l3urney]

You can create your own NO supp and save a ton of cash in the process.
....

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Been using No-xplode and love it....BUT, I have decided to see what all the fuss is about and try out White Flood and Green Mag. Just ordered them and will start using them Monday since I will have been off No-xplode for a week then. I will give my review after a few days using them. I can't wait.

you will love the green magnitude and white flood stack. will you be keeping a log? if so let me know when you start it up

[Warneckutz]

Been using No-xplode and love it....BUT, I have decided to see what all the fuss is about and try out White Flood and Green Mag. Just ordered them and will start using them Monday since I will have been off No-xplode for a week then. I will give my review after a few days using them. I can't wait.

If you're up to it, you should try and stack it with their BCAA formula, Purple Wraath. Good stuff and you'd have a PRE, MID and POST workout formula in place.

[gatorman2k6]

you will love the green magnitude and white flood stack. will you be keeping a log? if so let me know when you start it up

I never thought about starting a log because I didn't think it would be very impressive, but thanks for the idea.

I will also have to check in to getting Purple Wraath.

Is it ok for me to take WF and GM pre-workout?

[Warneckutz]

I never thought about starting a log because I didn't think it would be very impressive, but thanks for the idea.

I will also have to check in to getting Purple Wraath.

Is it ok for me to take WF and GM pre-workout?

I take WF and GM pre-workout, and I take a serving of GM post-workout.

[gatorman2k6]

I take WF and GM pre-workout, and I take a serving of GM post-workout.

Thanks for the help. I'll be checking into PW

[RippedFibers]

lol anybody ever mixed WF with SP250?

[jc456]

i would say BSN NO xplode.

Personally i love it.

At the end of the day NO is what works. All products are then the same. I was looking for something stronger and stronger an some honest sales person told me that if you want stronger take more.

So for me NO xplode. Fair enough to say that you get used to it easily. If you switch between brands it will be the other ingridients that help you more or less. Everyone is different try things out..

I have heard good things about NO shotgun and SuperPump

http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/jc456/

[throwdeep]

ive used no explode off and on but im not sure about the results anymore from it maybe it stops working after your body builds a tolerance?

[gatorman2k6]

I'm no expert, but if you are like me, your body is just building a tolerance to the caffeine which is why you have to cycle off of it for a week or so.

[Warneckutz]

I'm no expert, but if you are like me, your body is just building a tolerance to the caffeine which is why you have to cycle off of it for a week or so.

Mostly, I agree. I was up to 4-5 scoops (after a ferw months) on NO-Xplode just to get a pump, NaNo VAPOR took 3-4 scoops after only a week or two.

I'll definitely push White Flood in regards to cycling. My body really never required more than two scoops. When I did take a week or two off from it, I dropped down to 1 scoop and it still kept it's full impact and it's been like that for about 4 months now. Everyone's body is different and this works for me (just like any creatine monohydrate does NOT work for me).

Just another $.02 ;)

-Anthony

[gatorman2k6]

I'm glad to hear that about WF, because that is what I just ordered and will start taking on Monday.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Mostly, I agree. I was up to 4-5 scoops (after a ferw months) on NO-Xplode just to get a pump, NaNo VAPOR took 3-4 scoops after only a week or two.

I'll definitely push White Flood in regards to cycling. My body really never required more than two scoops. When I did take a week or two off from it, I dropped down to 1 scoop and it still kept it's full impact and it's been like that for about 4 months now. Everyone's body is different and this works for me (just like any creatine monohydrate does NOT work for me).

Just another $.02 ;)

-Anthony
awesome to hear

I'm glad to hear that about WF, because that is what I just ordered and will start taking on Monday.
thanks for giving white flood a shot, keep us posted once you start using it :)

[tatumspapa]

Has Anyone Tried Met Rx Amped?
I Have Tried No-xplode And Nano Vapor.
No-xplode I Give A 6 Out Of 10
Nano Vapor 5 Out Of 10
Both Left Me Tired And Motion-less, Complete Waste Of Money.

bump

[Jflip2002]

Im a newbie when it comes to prework out supplements. Ive always just done the whole "drink a protein shake 30 minutes prior" thing. Ive splurged on some Nano vapor, thinking itd help me really step up to another level. I didnt really notice that much of a pump, though Ive only taken it twice. but I did notice what seemed to be an incredibly intense, and motivated couple work out sessions. It usually takes me a while to sweat, but after my 2nd set of bar bell curls, I was sweating, and smoltering hot. Im hoping when I step up the dosage, I'll notice some better pumps. But for the time being, Im pretty satisfied with the intensity and its apparent lipothermic aid.

[Samsdaddy0525]

My two favorites so far are SuperPump 250 and Shock Therapy. I give the nod to SP250 though. I feel more of a rush with ST and the pump is very good. But, with SP250 there is a more level and sustained energy rush from SP250 and I feel like I could train another hour after I am finished while on the stuff.

[ghgrounds]

Has anybody tried Rush by Synthetic Science Labs? If so, what do you think of it? It is supposed to be similar to Arnge Krush.

[Dedicated37]

My two favorites so far are SuperPump 250 and Shock Therapy. I give the nod to SP250 though. I feel more of a rush with ST and the pump is very good. But, with SP250 there is a more level and sustained energy rush from SP250 and I feel like I could train another hour after I am finished while on the stuff.

SP250 is the stuff!

[gatorman2k6]

So my WF and GM should be here tomorrow, and I was just wondering how long pre-workout I should take these? I think the bottle said to take it 45 minutes beforehand, but No-xplode said that too and I started feeling it in about 20 minutes. Just wondering.

[Skreddy]

Super Pump 250 is boss, I've used both N.O.-Xplode and SP250 for awhile. I like Super Pump 250's fruity flavors and I feel I get a better pump with it. The only strange thing about me and SP250 is, with out fail, it makes need to drop a deuce like 2 minutes after drinking it.



As for timings. I wouldn't worry too much about it, just get it in you before. If you're planning on lifting for an hour or more in the gym just take it 10 minutes before. That way you'll hit your peak midway through and keep a consistent energy level throughout your session.

[gainmusclefast]

animal pump

[CONTROLLED LABS]

So my WF and GM should be here tomorrow, and I was just wondering how long pre-workout I should take these? I think the bottle said to take it 45 minutes beforehand, but No-xplode said that too and I started feeling it in about 20 minutes. Just wondering.

yup, I would mix them in a single shake and have it 30-45 minutes pre.

[killerj96]

N.O. X-Plode

[FWCMuZiK]

this isnt even a NO but Mountain Dews AMP had me wiredddd i was lifting so much i just kept sweating and sweating

[l3urney]

yup, I would mix them in a single shake and have it 30-45 minutes pre.

i'm on GM/WF/PW/GG and take the GM/GG 30 minutes pre, and the 2 scoops of WF 5 minutes pre, it immediately blushes my face and adds tingles to my body

[saken]

I know ive said this like 20 x already but damn has anyone here tried black powder? cus its the **** weights are so much lighter than before and a pump thats amazing.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

i'm on GM/WF/PW/GG and take the GM/GG 30 minutes pre, and the 2 scoops of WF 5 minutes pre, it immediately blushes my face and adds tingles to my body

I love the purple wraath and white flood tingles :)

[l3urney]

I love the purple wraath and white flood tingles :)

why do you guys recommend having the WF so long before the workout?
is it just so you can mix it with the GM?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

why do you guys recommend having the WF so long before the workout?
is it just so you can mix it with the GM?

takes some time for the body to absorb the ingredients :)

[l3urney]

takes some time for the body to absorb the ingredients :)
i feel like if i took it that long preworkout I'd go insane not having any equipment around me

[Grinding]

I took super pump 250 for the first time yesterday bout 1130 am and when i laid down to go to sleep at 11:00 pm I was wide awake. When I finally fell asleep it seemed as though I was barely sleep. If I awoke for the slightest reason I felt wid awake?!? It worked for me though!!

[swoleness19]

I know ive said this like 20 x already but damn has anyone here tried black powder? cus its the **** weights are so much lighter than before and a pump thats amazing.


yea i tried black powder and n02 black. if i try not to exaggerate the pumps were so intense my biceps literaly started to swell up so much to the point where i couldnt even curl anymore. my biceps were so pumped it actually started to hurt. it worked great for me but for some reason others say it didnt do anything for them.

[jhyatt1]

I Love NO-Xplode. I'm about to start SP250. Has anyone tried mixing the two pre-workout? Also, can anyone point me in the direction of a EAA/BCAA thread. I'm trying to decide between XTend, Purple Wrath, or Vendetta. Thanks!

[itsgroll]

well ive been on and off BSN products. they work but your body builds a tolerance after a week or two i feel. so im trying a new stack. a stack that can fit my budget. none of these expense weight gainers or crap. i will be starting on thursday. its 5g creatine(powder)/10g BCAA(powder)/35g whey protein 45 min pre-workout, 2 scoops naNO Vapor 10min pre-workout, 2 rice cakes/3 tbsp jelly/10g BCAA(powder)/5g Creatine(powder)/50g Whey post workout.
this is going to be much cheaper so i can do it for a much longer time period.
oh also i have L-arginine in powder form that i take 3-4 times a day on empty stomach, about 5 g at a time.

[itsgroll]

I Love NO-Xplode. I'm about to start SP250. Has anyone tried mixing the two pre-workout? Also, can anyone point me in the direction of a EAA/BCAA thread. I'm trying to decide between XTend, Purple Wrath, or Vendetta. Thanks!

if your looking for BCAA i think this will be your best bang for the buck...

http://www.************.net/get_item_pe087.htm

take 5-10g pre and post workout. hope that helps

[DiscussMMA.com]

I really like SuperPump250, best N.O. I've tried.

[Deeson28]

First post, but certainly not the last...i'm deciding on using n.o., but I'm not sure which product to try...i've been going through each page and it seems like no xplode and superpump250 is the best. Is this true??? Also, is it true that you feel your pumps even hours after working out??? thanks in advance....

[teraflx]

White flood is the best for me, second is probably Superpump250 or Animal Pump.

[itsgroll]

First post, but certainly not the last...i'm deciding on using n.o., but I'm not sure which product to try...i've been going through each page and it seems like no xplode and superpump250 is the best. Is this true??? Also, is it true that you feel your pumps even hours after working out??? thanks in advance....

honestly i would try one. try it correctly and consistently and record your gains and feelings/thoughts then try another. thats what ive done. and so far yes i do like no xplode but im about to try another on thursday. ill keep trying new things because what works for some might not always be the best for you. hope that helps. :)

[CantGet2BIG]

I broke the seal on my fourth tub of no-explode since January today. The stuff has always worked amazing for me. I always try to take a week or two off between tubs, but I always break down cause I can't lift without it. Exagerations aside, my arms feel like they are going to explode on my leg days. Blueberry, lemon-lime, and fruit punch are all good. Stay away from the lemonade.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I Love NO-Xplode. I'm about to start SP250. Has anyone tried mixing the two pre-workout? Also, can anyone point me in the direction of a EAA/BCAA thread. I'm trying to decide between XTend, Purple Wrath, or Vendetta. Thanks!
bb.com has free purple wraath samples in the store :)

White flood is the best for me, second is probably Superpump250 or Animal Pump.

glad to hear it. save those CL products and receipts for free products and gear.

[Deeson28]

honestly i would try one. try it correctly and consistently and record your gains and feelings/thoughts then try another. thats what ive done. and so far yes i do like no xplode but im about to try another on thursday. ill keep trying new things because what works for some might not always be the best for you. hope that helps. :)

Is it true about the pumps lasting a couple hours? my friend told me if you want longer lasting pumps then try nitrix, but the downfall with that is its price...too exspensive....

[CantGet2BIG]

My workouts generally last 2 hours or so by the time I'm done BSin and I always leave the gym with a huge pump. Sometimes on my bicep days, it is hard to grip the wheel.

[itsgroll]

Is it true about the pumps lasting a couple hours? my friend told me if you want longer lasting pumps then try nitrix, but the downfall with that is its price...too exspensive....
honestly its how your body responds to the product. example: me and my buddy both took NO Xplode 15min prior workout. i felt it in about 5min. he took longer to get pumped. but i felt also that it wore off before i was even done with my cardio. i mean i did have a great pump during the weights though. now my friend on the other hand after we were completely done and in the car on the way home he would still be bragging about his pump that he still has from that stuff.
anyways to answer your other question, nitrix does work. it is expensive and there are alternatives. just take plan L-Arginine in a powder form. 5g 3-4 times a day. just treat it like nitrix. take on empty stomach 30 min prior food or workout. :)

hope that helps out a lil

[itsgroll]

bb.com has free purple wraath samples in the store :)


glad to hear it. save those CL products and receipts for free products and gear.

i might take bb.com up on that. :)

[CONTROLLED LABS]

i might take bb.com up on that. :)

no reason not to, you will love our products :)

[Matt58]

bb.com has free purple wraath samples in the store :)


glad to hear it. save those CL products and receipts for free products and gear.

how what do we do with the reciepts to get free gear?

and what type o free gear?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

how what do we do with the reciepts to get free gear?

and what type o free gear?

check the link in my signature below for details :)

[AmericanPsycho]

Is it true about the pumps lasting a couple hours? my friend told me if you want longer lasting pumps then try nitrix, but the downfall with that is its price...too exspensive....

I also heard this about nitrix & white blood....and that the benefit is that because your muscles stay packed full of blood & whatnot it helps promote growth which I was iffy and unsure about.

[itsgroll]

i just took 5 grams of pure L-Arginine. let me tell you that was the worst taste ive ever had. is there any thing to mix with it? i mean it says to take on an empty stomach...so does that mean i cant mix it with protein?

[pocket1hercules]

Gaspari Super pump! Gaspari has more research done than any company! Dont be fooled by flashy ads! No Shotgun and synthSize (VPX) are good too. What you need is Aginine "Alpha keto gluterate is too simple", Glycerol, L-carnitine and taurine.

[itsgroll]

Gaspari Super pump! Gaspari has more research done than any company! Dont be fooled by flashy ads! No Shotgun and synthSize (VPX) are good too. What you need is Aginine "Alpha keto gluterate is too simple", Glycerol, L-carnitine and taurine.
are you speaking to me? your trying to say that L Arginine is too simple...how so? where is your source of info coming from?

[coveman]

For me anyway its a tossup between NO shotgun and MRi black powder. I loved shotgun, the pumps and focus were great. The black powder was a very good product as well. the energy i got from it was more controlled than some of the other products ive used and the focus was great.

[itsgroll]

so i tried my first day today with one scoop of naNO Vapor. no real change i think. ill give it a shot again friday and the weekend and see with 2 scoops how the pump feels.

[pocket1hercules]

no i am just saying that now there are better absorbed vesions of aginine like HCI, ethyl ester for the same price. but yeah it is all about pesonal preference.

[pocket1hercules]

you might (might) get better pumps using the same dosage of L-aginine every other day because new studies show that you veins and such can only be dialated for a short amount of time. they say everyother day you will have better and more consistant pumps. it will also save you money. just read about gaspari's plasmajet and it says only take everyother day or every third day. just a suggestion

[gatorman2k6]

Just got done with my first workout with WF and GM and I am hooked. I doubt I ever go back to BSN. The only thing I have to figure out now is how much water to mix it with to make it taste right. Today's taste was not as good as no-xplode but I believe it has the potential to taste better. Hope this helps.

[briankoke]

Just got done with my first workout with WF and GM and I am hooked. I doubt I ever go back to BSN. The only thing I have to figure out now is how much water to mix it with to make it taste right. Today's taste was not as good as no-xplode but I believe it has the potential to taste better. Hope this helps.

today was my second day on green mag and wf and it was probably the best workout ive ever had. lots of energy and my muscles didnt seem to get tired. i felt stronger and pumped!

[SPATL]

I've tried N.O. Explode, NanoVapor, Nitric Explosion(GNC Discontinued product), Superpump 250, and Fast Twitch. Here is my thoughts:

N.O. Explode-Great product. Good strength increases, nice pump, slightly twitchy from the caffeine. Decent taste(except the granules at the bottom of the drink.

NanoVapor - Great strength, small pump increase, awful taste, very twitchy from the caffeine.

SuperPump 250 - Best pump of all of them, decent taste, slight twitch from caffeine.

Nitric explosion - decent taste, not much of a pump, low twitch, most inexpensive.

Fast twitch - lemonade flavor has no caffeine(positive in my book) no caffeine twitch, decetn pump, good strength increase.

I would rate N.O. Explode, Fast Twitch and Superpump the highest. Nano Vapor the lowest, Nitric explosion pretty low.

I am currently stacking pre-workout: Nitric Explosion and Anabolic Leucine Stack with good results. Next round will probably go to fast twitch(no caffeine formula) to replace the Nitric explosion, but keep the anabolic leucine stack(oh and a 1000mg tablet of arginine).

[Rhynosaurus]

The two NO products that get most love from me are White Flood and Superpump.
One of the big things for me about WF that I didnt feel that I needed to increase the dosage like I had to with SP250. With SP I was up to 4 scoops but on WF it has been two scoops from top to bottom of the tub, so WF gets the top of my heap.

I will probably regret the decision, but next time I order a NO, I think I may go with Shock Therapy. If that isnt up to snuff, I will be sticking with WF for however long I'm using NO.