Best Overall Nitric Oxide (NO) Product?

[plasticbat]

Hi all, I'm not new to lifting however I am fairly new to NO products.
After reading a lot of opinions on this stuff, I think I'm gonna have to give NO Xplode a shot first, even though the price is a little high for the doseage.

My question is, would it be too much to stack another no product my first time or should I just stick with one? I was thinking about NO limits with No xplode and of course a milti vitamin and protein. I'm open to any suggestions, also would it be smart to get another source of creatine for post workout to mix with my protein or would this be enough?

[pittjoe33]

Hi all, I'm not new to lifting however I am fairly new to NO products.
After reading a lot of opinions on this stuff, I think I'm gonna have to give NO Xplode a shot first, even though the price is a little high for the doseage.

My question is, would it be too much to stack another no product my first time or should I just stick with one? I was thinking about NO limits with No xplode and of course a milti vitamin and protein. I'm open to any suggestions, also would it be smart to get another source of creatine for post workout to mix with my protein or would this be enough?

Since you're new to these types of supplements, here's what I would recommend. First, I wouldn't stack too many products ininitially. If you do, you won't know which one's are doing what or which one's are working for you. If you try them individually, you can determine if they work for you, if you like it, and exactly what it does for you. Once you get to the point where you know which are good, then stack them. Be sure to read the directions and follow them. If using BSN NO Xplode, you take it pre-workout on an EMPTY stomach. If stacking it with BSN Cellmass, you also take it on an empty stomach post workout. I believe it says (double-check) that you're not to have food or protein drinks within an hour (before or after). For best results, I would use a creatine. You can go cheap and do 6 week cycles with 3-4 weeks off of regular monohydrate, or use one of the powder or pills from a variety of companies. I'm going to be reviewing a new creatine at the end of September (CON-CRET). Some of the popular stacks are:

BSN NO-Xplode X
BSN Nitrix
BSN Cellmass X

VPX No Shotgun
VPX CEX

Gasparis Superpump 250
Gasparis Sizeon
Novedex

Cotrolled Labs White Flood
Cotrolled Labs Green Magnitude
Cotrolled Labs Green Bulge
Cotrolled Purple Wrath
Cotrolled Glycergrow

Good luck.....

[blazex4]

I hated BSN nitrix i felt like it did absolutley nothing for me. it sucked. I got better reseults from creatine. HOwever im new to this supplement game.

did u take it everyday

[blazex4]

which is better
BSN Nitrix or MRI's NO2 Black?

[Skull Crusher Chris]

Cotrolled Labs White Flood
Cotrolled Labs Green Magnitude
Cotrolled Labs Green Bulge
Cotrolled Purple Wrath
Cotrolled Glycergrow

Good luck.....

Green Magnitude and Green Bulge are both creatines you would not need to get them both and should only take one serving of either per day.

[pittjoe33]

which is better
BSN Nitrix or MRI's NO2 Black?

BSN is a good brand but the Nitrix isn't one of there better products. The MRI product sounds good, but I think that you can find something else as good for a LOT cheaper. As far as results, these are both Nitric Oxide boosters. They may give some added energy pre-workout and give you a pump while working out. For more size, etc., use a creatine product.

[blazex4]

BSN is a good brand but the Nitrix isn't one of there better products. The MRI product sounds good, but I think that you can find something else as good for a LOT cheaper. As far as results, these are both Nitric Oxide boosters. They may give some added energy pre-workout and give you a pump while working out. For more size, etc., use a creatine product.

i thought nitrix was better than creatine

[plasticbat]

First let me say thanks to pitjoe, you cleared up some confusion that I was having between the products! I will deffinatly follow the directions as suggested and cycle on and off.
Sorry for the newb ?'s but with those stacks that you listed, would you still recommend trying just an NO and a creatine to start? Or would it be fine to stack within the company seeing that each formula is different in its own way? For example, I did a little research on the products and the $$per serving for the bsn stack is rediculous, it was the most expensive and the least amount per serving out of all of them. So I decided I'm either gonna go with the controlled labs to start off, "being the best price per serving." Or the VPX. I was thinking, Green magnitude/white flood/ glycergrow to start. What do you think?

[pittjoe33]

First let me say thanks to pitjoe, you cleared up some confusion that I was having between the products! I will deffinatly follow the directions as suggested and cycle on and off.
Sorry for the newb ?'s but with those stacks that you listed, would you still recommend trying just an NO and a creatine to start? Or would it be fine to stack within the company seeing that each formula is different in its own way? For example, I did a little research on the products and the $$per serving for the bsn stack is rediculous, it was the most expensive and the least amount per serving out of all of them. So I decided I'm either gonna go with the controlled labs to start off, "being the best price per serving." Or the VPX. I was thinking, Green magnitude/white flood/ glycergrow to start. What do you think?

Well, each company will usually tell you that there products are formulated to use as a stack. This doesn't mean that you can't mix and match. If you like a particular brand, a lot of times you'll stack there products. The only problem with mixing and matching is that a lot of times you won't know the dosage for each ingredient due to a lot of companies showing them as a proprietery blend. I think that if you went with the Green magnitude/white flood/glycergrow stack that you spoke of, it should work well. Just follow the instructions and remember to drink a lot more water throughout the day while using Nitric and creatine products.

[plasticbat]

Sweet, thanks again for the info. I'll post back with the results.

[Skull Crusher Chris]

Sweet, thanks again for the info. I'll post back with the results.

Sounds good man, looking forward to your thoughts:)

[BF2002]

Where do I get Glycerine?

I did a search on bb.com's store. It's mixed in some products.

The only thing I found that was pure Glycerine was "NOW Presents:
Vegetable Glycerine" that was marketed to be used for external use but "pure enough for internal use".

Where do you get your Glycerine?

[Skull Crusher Chris]

Where do I get Glycerine?

I did a search on bb.com's store. It's mixed in some products.

The only thing I found that was pure Glycerine was "NOW Presents:
Vegetable Glycerine" that was marketed to be used for external use but "pure enough for internal use".

Where do you get your Glycerine?

Do you want straight Glycerine or a product like GylcerGROW, most who have bought Glycerine wish they would have just gone with a GG type product.

Here is the link if you want to check it out: GlycerGROW (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/grow.html)

[gdogg75]

to Primaforce Primal N2O...(again)
after running out of my NanoVapor...
the Primal seemed to give me better results...
i give props to muscletech for making a product that tastes good(which seems important to me lately) and mixes fast with literally zero wait time...
and after getting back on to primal it seems like my body responds better to the primal... more explosive(and not explosive CRAPS)... but i get super tingly and itchy!

and this rash... :) i still gotta figure out if the reason for these rashes is because of the NO products... :D

[jlm342000]

Just started NO explode three weeks ago, still get a crazy pump but it is taking two scoops now. Do you build a tolerance to all NO products? Is there one I can use that wont stop working in a month????? What about superpump or shotgun???

[pittjoe33]

Just started NO explode three weeks ago, still get a crazy pump but it is taking two scoops now. Do you build a tolerance to all NO products? Is there one I can use that wont stop working in a month????? What about superpump or shotgun???

You may build up a tolerance to the NO products. It's best to cycle all NO and creatine products. Do 4-6 weeks on and 2-4 weeks off. If you cycle off, you give your body a chance to reset. When you cycle back on, probably start seeing even better results.

[jlm342000]

Do you alternate the creatine and n.o. so there are no gaps???? When you cycle off one do you replace it with another???

[pittjoe33]

Do you alternate the creatine and n.o. so there are no gaps???? When you cycle off one do you replace it with another???

I use NO and creatine together. You have to read the instructions. I take my NO on an empty stomach pre-workout, then take the creatine supplement on an empty stomach post-workout. I cycle off. While off, I pick up some caffeine anhydrous from CVC pharmacy and take pre-workout. I also use L-Glutamine powder and D-Ribose, as well as whey protein, a multi-vitamin and a good diet. Remember when using NO or creatine products to drink a lot of water throughout the day.

[mkilla1214]

hows the gnc n.o. working for anyone if they have it, i was wondering how it was compared to the rest of the n.o products out there
ThaNX

[uhockey]

Simply, and affordably, the best.


Have you tried NO Limits? NOL has generated lots of positive feedback and it has a great ingredient profile for longer sustained pumps. The price is nice too.


NO-Limits

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[ccs77]

and this rash... :) i still gotta figure out if the reason for these rashes is because of the NO products... :D

I get flushed on the inside of my biceps when using NO products.

[kyguy50]

Well I can tell you what not to use: NO Limits. Tons of pills, and didn't do anything. I'm using white flood right now and it's awesome, and cheap.

[geeman]

Yea, NO Limits did nothing for me either, no wonder its so cheap! Go with CL or MT products. maybe more expensive but they work!

[Skull Crusher Chris]

Well I can tell you what not to use: NO Limits. Tons of pills, and didn't do anything. I'm using white flood right now and it's awesome, and cheap.

Great to hear you're liking White FLOOD, do you have V1 or V2?

[pittjoe33]

Great to hear you're liking White FLOOD, do you have V1 or V2?

What's the difference between V1 and V2? Is it just a flavor tweak or other? Thanks.

[Warneckutz]

What's the difference between V1 and V2? Is it just a flavor tweak or other? Thanks.


I started with V1 and now I'm working with V2:
From what I understand, V2 is supposed to clump less. I think it has a "softer" taste but I think the Beta Alanine works at a much faster rate and you feel the effects longer as well.

[Skull Crusher Chris]

What's the difference between V1 and V2? Is it just a flavor tweak or other? Thanks.

V1-Ethyl Esters
V2-AAKG replaced the EE. This makes it no longer clump(as Ant stated) and we were able to improve the taste dramatically. Still has the same if not better effectiveness/results.

[Warneckutz]

V1-Ethyl Esters
V2-AAKG replaced the EE. This makes it no longer clump(as Ant stated) and we were able to improve the taste dramatically. Still has the same if not better effectiveness/results.

Better results, IMO. :D

(It's amazing how quickly the beta alanine kicks in)

[tykraus7]

I took NO Xplode for however long the jug lasted and I had pretty good results, I felt pretty pumped up and my workouts were good.

People said naNO vapor is much more intense so I thought I'd give that a try. I took 1 scoop and I didn't feel anything at all one day. The next day I took 2 scoops and I didn't feel pumped up really but I had a decent workout I guess. After the workout though I had the worst stomach ache ever that I couldn't even take my PWO shake for about an hour and couldn't even drink water out of fear of throwing up everywhere. About 1.5 hours later I felt fine, though. I don't know if I need to take it on more of an empty stomach to feel the pumped up effects or not but I'm not the biggest fan of naNO vapor at all.

[Warneckutz]

I took NO Xplode for however long the jug lasted and I had pretty good results, I felt pretty pumped up and my workouts were good.

People said naNO vapor is much more intense so I thought I'd give that a try. I took 1 scoop and I didn't feel anything at all one day. The next day I took 2 scoops and I didn't feel pumped up really but I had a decent workout I guess. After the workout though I had the worst stomach ache ever that I couldn't even take my PWO shake for about an hour and couldn't even drink water out of fear of throwing up everywhere. About 1.5 hours later I felt fine, though. I don't know if I need to take it on more of an empty stomach to feel the pumped up effects or not but I'm not the biggest fan of naNO vapor at all.

I tried the naNO Vapor myself. At first, it seemed to work OK, but my body quickly grew tolerant of it. I was up to 2.5 scoops before I gave up. (I think it's way too costly to start using 3 or 4 scoops to try and duplicate it's original effects). I didn't get sick from it though, that part sucks.

[Xscorpio]

SuperPump 250 solid product. good tase, quality ingredients, and it works for me. great recovery time, and get great pumps.

[Hays]

I just tried my first no product and Ive been getting great pumps with no shotgun(the taste is horrid) and just curious if neone has tried or heard anything good about it? Thanks

[gdogg75]

I get flushed on the inside of my biceps when using NO products.
so does that prompt you to stop using it? severe flushes? i have rashes... i know i should do one of 2 things... stop NO products.. and/or see a doctor...
the pumps feel so good that i have been delaying my decision :D

on another note... i just got a free sample of superpump 250....
seems like everyone has their "formula"

[Rhynosaurus]

Has Superpump given anybody else diarrhea? I've only had it for a week or so, and I've had a vicious case a few times so far. I cant really target anything else new to my diet that might be affecting me.

[Mook1e]

I use No-xplode and it gets me crazy pumped before and during my workout. I don't know if it's mental or what, but usually about 10 minutes after I take it I'm jumping up and down ready to work-out. I always take it in the morning on an almost-empty stomach (protein shake 2 hours prior, w/ 6-8hr fast prior) 20-30 minutes before working out.
I don't get any stomach problems, but it does make me belch a few times before the workout.

[Waterocksnmud]

I have treid Superpump 250, and thought it was ok. I prefer BSN noxplod Fruit Punch. I have seen different Results with different flavors like there's a chain reaction in the flavoring or something, I still havent figured that one out. Lemon did about the same as Superpum 250 for me, but Fruit Punch has always worked REALLY well.

At the moment though I'm trying Vitamin Shoppe Brand L-Arginine pill form and Guarana (50% extract). Taking 2grams of L-Arginine in the morning 6 pre workout with 6 mg of Guarna and 2g of L-Arginine post. I'll repost when after about 3 more weeks.

[Jodeci]

it says on the container that ur supposed to take 3 tablets three times daily so a total of 9 tablets? am i reading this right? It also says not to take any glutamine while using nitrix as it doesnt work well with it? can someone just confirm this for me

[plasticbat]

At the moment though I'm trying Vitamin Shoppe Brand L-Arginine pill form and Guarana (50% extract). Taking 2grams of L-Arginine in the morning 6 pre workout with 6 mg of Guarna and 2g of L-Arginine post. I'll repost when after about 3 more weeks.

Definitely keep us posted on that, how much did that combo cost you?

I decided to go with white blood cause they had a deal, white blood/green bulge for 34.99, cant beat that I just hope it works for me. I'll post back with results in a couple weeks. I was originally planning to go with white flood/green magnitude which I'm sure are a little more potent, but being my first no product hopefully this will work.

[_Bladen_]

There is not a single independantly conducted study that states NO products meet the suggested claims. A minimal change in strength has been noted, yet no evidence has been presented stating that they infact have any affect on the growth of muscular size.

[jmr2480]

There is not a single independantly conducted study that states NO products meet the suggested claims. A minimal change in strength has been noted, yet no evidence has been presented stating that they infact have any affect on the growth of muscular size.

You might be right, but I know when I take NO2 i have much better workouts, then when I am off it for a month or so. So maybe it doesnt directly help built bigger muscles, but having a better workout surely does. Now maybe its all in my head that when I take it I feel better, and mentally it helps me push harder and longer, so to me its worth it.A big part of lifting is mental, and this helps me in that sense.

Also I have been taking NO2 for years and love the pumps i get and feel like I get a couple more sets/reps in when taking as apposed to when I am off it.
It doesnt give you the burst of energy like the other drinks(NO-Xplode,superpump) but I just have some black coffee 30 hour before for some caffene, and I feel the rush

[deedubb]

Ive got a full bottle of NaNo Vapor minus 6 scoops that I really didn't like. If anyone felt the same way about their NO Explode, with similar amounts left, i'll gladly trade you!

[plasticbat]

There is not a single independantly conducted study that states NO products meet the suggested claims. A minimal change in strength has been noted, yet no evidence has been presented stating that they infact have any affect on the growth of muscular size.

I've heard this before but it can go either way, is there any study that has proven it not to increase muscle growth or size? "Just asking," its my first time taking it so I guess I'll just have to see if its worth it to me...

[Waterocksnmud]

I have never heard of NO asdding strength, I was told and understood it helps let your veins relx or expand so you can get more nutrients and oxygen to your muscle. There for pre workout supps give more effect as your body absorbs more.. is that wrong to think?

[uhockey]

I have never heard of NO asdding strength, I was told and understood it helps let your veins relx or expand so you can get more nutrients and oxygen to your muscle. There for pre workout supps give more effect as your body absorbs more.. is that wrong to think?

It's never been proven, but that is the theory.

For what it is worth, take a look at our NO-Limits writeup. It talks a lot about the ways in which NO products, in general, can drive growth.
http://www.designersupps.com/product_writeups/nolimits.pdf

[pu12en12g]

I'm using white flood right now and it's awesome, and cheap.

Thanks for giving it a try ! :cool:

[herc101]

pre-workout has to be NO Xplode because of the immediate effects...but the best time released is NO2 by MRI. During a creatine cycle I'll switch to Nitrix because there is some creatine ethyl ester, although it doesn't say how much(figure some is better than none)

[RobNyc]

I myself started working out , then got into this No-X, post-workout supps stuff and it does the job. I was able most of workouts to do more and was more eager to workout maybe it was a mental thing.

Now on my off-cycle i dont feel the same about working out as much, and the extreme is not the same nor the pumps.

[Samsdaddy0525]

You might be right, but I know when I take NO2 i have much better workouts, then when I am off it for a month or so. So maybe it doesnt directly help built bigger muscles, but having a better workout surely does. Now maybe its all in my head that when I take it I feel better, and mentally it helps me push harder and longer, so to me its worth it.A big part of lifting is mental, and this helps me in that sense.

Also I have been taking NO2 for years and love the pumps i get and feel like I get a couple more sets/reps in when taking as apposed to when I am off it.
It doesnt give you the burst of energy like the other drinks(NO-Xplode,superpump) but I just have some black coffee 30 hour before for some caffene, and I feel the rush

Very good response. I totally agree with your comments.

[TRIPIIIE X]

No Explode is good and gives me a bit of rage in the gym, but it does bloat me up. It its the pump you're looking for, try Nitrix. Try it for 1.5 weeks and you wont believe the pump. My bi's were so pumped today that I barely curled a 45lbs dumbell, before feeling like my hand is about to explode. This is coming from a person that needs 7 shots just to have a tooth numb. Things just dont work for me unless I overdose. With Nitrix, regular dose did the trick.
Hope this helped.

[boostedbatman]

I have been told that NOexplode is a good product
I am currently using Syntrax Nitrous and that has me buzzing off the walls
My pumps are insane
I have found a new level of intensity at the gym these days
Although I do now get a bit edgy if what I want to use is taken ;)

[cbposmith]

NO Xplode is great pre workout. Nitrix..well, it took a few weeks to kick in but i'v found that it makes the muscle firmer all around. I'm about done my 12wk cycle for nitrix (first time) and i'm curious to see what will happen when its flushed from my system.

[BowtieDriver]

SuperPump 250 by Gaspari Nutrition!! I've taken it for 2 cycles and i have also taken NOexplode, superpump worked way better for me.

[uhockey]

Because results speak louder than simple "recommendations."


NO-Limits

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[stevothedevo]

NO Limits. :)

And scientific fact speaks louder than 'results'.




Arginine blood flow stimulators ("nitric-oxide" or "NO2" supplements) have been shown to increase vasodilation, but only in unfed people receiving enormous doses through an IV.

? Oral arginine supplementation doesn't affect blood flow.

? A dose as low as 10 grams has been associated with gastric upset when consumed orally. This dose has no significant effect on glycogen storage, even if it didn't cause diarrhea.

? Time release arginine is supposed to lead to a "perpetual pump" effect. New studies have shown this not to be the case.

? NO2 was shown to have no effect compared to a placebo on body composition or muscle strength.

? It's not possible for us to consume high enough levels of arginine to effectively increase nitric oxide levels.

? Copycat NO2 products are no better than the original supplement. In fact, those that contain glycocyamine should be avoided because of potential health concerns.

? If you think these products work for you, then you'd better look into the placebo effect.

? Arginine might temporarily elevate growth hormone levels, but only if you're able to take unrealistic doses. There's little evidence to support that this short term increase in GH would do anything for your physique anyway.

? In one study, arginine aspartate was shown to increase prolactin by an average of 75%. Prolactin is associated with decreased Testosterone levels.

? Five grams of arginine consumed during resistance exercise was shown to decrease normal exercise-induced GH output.

? The positive benefits of oral arginine supplementation can only be achieved through doses higher than the human body can handle. And most (but not all) of this effect is mediated by insulin. So if you want to have blood flow increases equivalent to a huge IV arginine infusion, just manipulate insulin through other means

[pittjoe33]

And scientific fact speaks louder than 'results'.




Arginine blood flow stimulators ("nitric-oxide" or "NO2" supplements) have been shown to increase vasodilation, but only in unfed people receiving enormous doses through an IV.

? Oral arginine supplementation doesn't affect blood flow.

? A dose as low as 10 grams has been associated with gastric upset when consumed orally. This dose has no significant effect on glycogen storage, even if it didn't cause diarrhea.

? Time release arginine is supposed to lead to a "perpetual pump" effect. New studies have shown this not to be the case.

? NO2 was shown to have no effect compared to a placebo on body composition or muscle strength.

? It's not possible for us to consume high enough levels of arginine to effectively increase nitric oxide levels.

? Copycat NO2 products are no better than the original supplement. In fact, those that contain glycocyamine should be avoided because of potential health concerns.

? If you think these products work for you, then you'd better look into the placebo effect.

? Arginine might temporarily elevate growth hormone levels, but only if you're able to take unrealistic doses. There's little evidence to support that this short term increase in GH would do anything for your physique anyway.

? In one study, arginine aspartate was shown to increase prolactin by an average of 75%. Prolactin is associated with decreased Testosterone levels.

? Five grams of arginine consumed during resistance exercise was shown to decrease normal exercise-induced GH output.

? The positive benefits of oral arginine supplementation can only be achieved through doses higher than the human body can handle. And most (but not all) of this effect is mediated by insulin. So if you want to have blood flow increases equivalent to a huge IV arginine infusion, just manipulate insulin through other means

what about the use of L-Citrulline Malate in conjunction with L-Arginine. Most if not all nitric oxide boosters contain Citrulline Malate.

[money_boi]

Hey all,

Went into GNC in NYC on 3rd and somewhere in the 50's just to get some creatine.

They had the Biogenix 'total transformation kit' including fat burn, NO and creatine. It was marked $99.00, down from $199.00 and the guy offered it to me for $60.00!!

I always thought GNC prices were pretty much 'fixed' but lately have noticed i've been able to negotiate some good bargains!

[makennfix]

I use currently No xplode for pre workout, but i want to try nitrix in my cycle,
but I don't know what choose between nitrix bsn and universalNOX.
Someone have ever used universal, what do you use about it.

thank you.

[ccs77]

I use currently No xplode for pre workout, but i want to try nitrix in my cycle,
but I don't know what choose between nitrix bsn and universalNOX.
Someone have ever used universal, what do you use about it.

thank you.


I'm finishing a bottle of Nitrix right now....I don't think it did much of anything. I've tried 6 Star's Nitric Oxide Overdrive and I think it actually worked better for me. Plus it's half as expensive and can be found at Walmart.

[makennfix]

OK, thank you, it's right I only use NO xplode for moment, it does work well for me, but i will try other for comparated.

thank you.

[Tru_Souljah]

Ok i want to get Nitric Oxide Which is better: NO explode, Nano-Vapor or NO Shotgun? I was told by two guys that work at GNC on different occasions when i ws there that all three are good but NO-Shotgun is the best. They said personally for them, NO explode didnt work well for them after a few weeks. and the same thing for Nano-Vapor. They recommend i get NO shotgun. It dosent taste that great but the pumps are good and they have been using it for a good while now. After speaking to them I wasnt sure what to get.

I know that NO Explode has been popular for the past two years, it's the best selling NO supplement and alot of people use it. It is the most expensive one out of the three at GNC but I think Im gonna try NO-Explode first. what do you guys think?

[Kakiro]

Last 2 weeks I bought a tub of Superpump 250 and NO-Xplode. I tried 4 workout days on the Superpump 250 and I found a small increase to energy nothing amazing.
Last night I tried NO-Xplode and shortly after I could feel the energy and it really did help with my pumps I got to increase my weight and still get all my reps out. I would definetly recommend NO-Xplode.

I would say its different for different people though and I am sure superpump 250 works better or just as well for some than NO-Xplode.

[naturalguy]

Ok i want to get Nitric Oxide Which is better: NO explode, Nano-Vapor or NO Shotgun? I was told by two guys that work at GNC on different occasions when i ws there that all three are good but NO-Shotgun is the best. They said personally for them, NO explode didnt work well for them after a few weeks. and the same thing for Nano-Vapor. They recommend i get NO shotgun. It dosent taste that great but the pumps are good and they have been using it for a good while now. After speaking to them I wasnt sure what to get.

I know that NO Explode has been popular for the past two years, it's the best selling NO supplement and alot of people use it. It is the most expensive one out of the three at GNC but I think Im gonna try NO-Explode first. what do you guys think?

I've used all three. Shotgun and NanoVapor have better formulas then NoXplode. For one thing Shotgun and NanoVapor have BCAA's in them so that gives them an edge right off the bat. I had better workouts on Shotgun and NanoVapor then NoXplode.

I've done two tubs of Shotgun and only a few samples of NanoVapor so I can't judge it completely but you can't go wrong with either.

If you want to save some money look into Shock Therapy, it's the best price to results product in the category.

[pittjoe33]

Ok i want to get Nitric Oxide Which is better: NO explode, Nano-Vapor or NO Shotgun? I was told by two guys that work at GNC on different occasions when i ws there that all three are good but NO-Shotgun is the best. They said personally for them, NO explode didnt work well for them after a few weeks. and the same thing for Nano-Vapor. They recommend i get NO shotgun. It dosent taste that great but the pumps are good and they have been using it for a good while now. After speaking to them I wasnt sure what to get.

I know that NO Explode has been popular for the past two years, it's the best selling NO supplement and alot of people use it. It is the most expensive one out of the three at GNC but I think Im gonna try NO-Explode first. what do you guys think?

If this is your first time trying these types of products, the Nano-Vapor may upset your stomach. I would check to see if VPS reformulated NO-Shotgun yet. The taste was horrible. I contacted them a few weeks ago and they were reformulating for taste but I can't remember the date set. SuperPump 250 and NO-Xplode are both good. Only thing about NO supps w/ stimulants are that you drag when you cycle off and hard to get up for workouts. Drink plenty of water when using NO and creatine products- 2 gallons per day. Use for 4-12 weeks, then cycle off for 3-6 weeks. For cheaper products, green bulge, white flood and shock therapy are not bad. Hope this helps.

[ccs77]

Ok i want to get Nitric Oxide Which is better: NO explode, Nano-Vapor or NO Shotgun? I was told by two guys that work at GNC on different occasions when i ws there that all three are good but NO-Shotgun is the best. They said personally for them, NO explode didnt work well for them after a few weeks. and the same thing for Nano-Vapor. They recommend i get NO shotgun. It dosent taste that great but the pumps are good and they have been using it for a good while now. After speaking to them I wasnt sure what to get.

I know that NO Explode has been popular for the past two years, it's the best selling NO supplement and alot of people use it. It is the most expensive one out of the three at GNC but I think Im gonna try NO-Explode first. what do you guys think?

I tried Nano Vapor after bieng on NO-Xplode for 2 months and thought it sucked. I'm back on NO-Xplode and love it. The day I tried Nano Vapor I was yawning in the gym and left early for the first time in 7 months.

[Tru_Souljah]

I've used all three. Shotgun and NanoVapor have better formulas then NoXplode. For one thing Shotgun and NanoVapor have BCAA's in them so that gives them an edge right off the bat. I had better workouts on Shotgun and NanoVapor then NoXplode.

I've done two tubs of Shotgun and only a few samples of NanoVapor so I can't judge it completely but you can't go wrong with either.

If you want to save some money look into Shock Therapy, it's the best price to results product in the category.


thanks for the info guys, I would like to hear others opinions as well. but dosent NO-Explode have BCAA's as well? I read the ingredients.

[Warneckutz]

I've tried both naNO VAPOR and NO-Xplode as well as White Flood.

Personally, I had the best results from White Flood (the effects lasted longer and it never lost it's potency, I could stick with 1 or 2 scoops <depending on the workout> through an entire two jugs). Next would be BSN's NO-Xplode, a few flavors tasted good (Their lemonade mixed with the Berry CellMass is an AMAZING treat) but after the first jug I was up to 4 or 5 scoops to try to get the same effect (Eventually, too much N.O. will hit you in the stomach in every bad way). Lastly, naNO VAPOR. I thought MuscleTech got it right but after the first week I was up to almost 3 scoops and didn't feel much.

Keep in mind, these products vary from person to person, there may be one ingredient that works for you that may not work for most others and vice versa...

GOOD LUCK!

[ccs77]

I've tried both naNO VAPOR and NO-Xplode as well as White Flood.

Personally, I had the best results from White Flood (the effects lasted longer and it never lost it's potency, I could stick with 1 or 2 scoops <depending on the workout> through an entire two jugs). Next would be BSN's NO-Xplode, a few flavors tasted good (Their lemonade mixed with the Berry CellMass is an AMAZING treat) but after the first jug I was up to 4 or 5 scoops to try to get the same effect (Eventually, too much N.O. will hit you in the stomach in every bad way). Lastly, naNO VAPOR. I thought MuscleTech got it right but after the first week I was up to almost 3 scoops and didn't feel much.

Keep in mind, these products vary from person to person, there may be one ingredient that works for you that may not work for most others and vice versa...

GOOD LUCK!

That's a great testament and judging by your avatar whatever your doing is working...and working well. But I bet it wasn't the NO that hit your stomach, it was probably the caffiene. Each scoop is the equivalent of 6 cups of coffee. NO-Xplode doesn't have all that much aganine, in fact they suggest stacking it with Nitrix which is a pretty large source of Arganine (NO) in itself.

I wish I didn't get such good results from NO-Xplode (ok that didn't sound right), because I hate the idea of taking in 12 cups of coffee at once. Fact is I've been at 2 scoops for over 8 weeks and it's still working great for me. Other than having a caffiene deprivasion headache on off days. :/

[Warneckutz]

That's a great testament and judging by your avatar whatever your doing is working...and working well. But I bet it wasn't the NO that hit your stomach, it was probably the caffiene. Each scoop is the equivalent of 6 cups of coffee. NO-Xplode doesn't have all that much aganine, in fact they suggest stacking it with Nitrix which is a pretty large source of Arganine (NO) in itself.

I wish I didn't get such good results from NO-Xplode (ok that didn't sound right), because I hate the idea of taking in 12 cups of coffee at once. Fact is I've been at 2 scoops for over 8 weeks and it's still working great for me. Other than having a caffiene deprivasion headache on off days. :/


Thanks Bro!

You may have a point. About a month ago I decided to really OD on some Nitric Oxide because I wanted to see what it would do (I was hoping for some genetic miracle)...

I experienced the genetic miracle, I was hitting chest and everything looked great... the rest of the day - not so great, talk about feeling like you've just been beat to hell!!!

Anyway, if you're enjoying BSN and you take their CellMass, you should consider mixing the Lemonade NO-Xplode with the Berry CellMass, tastes like pink lemonade to me! :D

[Tru_Souljah]

Alright i think im going to try NO-Explode first. thank you everyone for your input

[ccs77]

Just make sure you stir it, don't shake it in a shaker cup...I still have stains on my sink overhang from it "Xlpoding".

:P

[momotl]

I tried Vapor and energy was ok. However, I was not able to complete my 7th rep for most of all my exercise. Using this product, I felt I was out of gas and strength after my 6th rep. Has anyone gone thru a similar problem???
Could it be because too much blood is flowing thru my vains causing the lost of strength??


Thanks!!!

[ccs77]

I tried Vapor and energy was ok. However, I was not able to complete my 7th rep for most of all my exercise. Using this product, I felt I was out of gas and strength after my 6th rep. Has anyone gone thru a similar problem???
Could it be because too much blood is flowing thru my vains causing the lost of strength??


Thanks!!!


I'm not sure if it takes a while for your body to get used to whatever is in it (the list of ingredients is as long as my arm), but that's exactly what it did to me. OUT of GAS. Maybe it gets better with more days of using it under your belt???? The taste is awefull too...not that it matters, it only takes a few seconds to down a supplement drink.

[momotl]

I'm not sure if it takes a while for your body to get used to whatever is in it (the list of ingredients is as long as my arm), but that's exactly what it did to me. OUT of GAS. Maybe it gets better with more days of using it under your belt???? The taste is awefull too...not that it matters, it only takes a few seconds to down a supplement drink.

How many days did it take for you to re-capture the energy back?? I hope it doesn't take long because I wasn't satisfy with my workout the other day.

[ccs77]

I only took it for one day then switched back to NO-Xplode and everything was fine the next day.

[Tru_Souljah]

I just bought NO-Explode (which came with a sample of cell-mass and and 4 samples of syntha-6) Im not starting back my training till next week so ill let you guys know my experience.

[ccs77]

I just bought NO-Explode (which came with a sample of cell-mass and and 4 samples of syntha-6) Im not starting back my training till next week so ill let you guys know mt experience.

I sound like a damned BSN rep, but I swear that syntha-6 is the shiz too. Cell mass is a great Post training and PM supp as well. People say BSN is all hype but I think the stuff flat works.

[Tru_Souljah]

I sound like a damned BSN rep, but I swear that syntha-6 is the shiz too. Cell mass is a great Post training and PM supp as well. People say BSN is all hype but I think the stuff flat works.

I just tried the cookies n cream syntha-6 sample. it's ok. I prefer Optimum nutrition's Casien protien or Muscle Milk for meal replacement/before bedtime. and I use ISO Sensation by Ultimate nutrition for post workout.

[DrBrology3]

No Explode All The Way!!

[martymcfly]

Last 2 weeks I bought a tub of Superpump 250 and NO-Xplode. I tried 4 workout days on the Superpump 250 and I found a small increase to energy nothing amazing.
Last night I tried NO-Xplode and shortly after I could feel the energy and it really did help with my pumps I got to increase my weight and still get all my reps out. I would definetly recommend NO-Xplode.

I would say its different for different people though and I am sure superpump 250 works better or just as well for some than NO-Xplode.

exact same thing for me. superpump didn't do that much for me

[bmwmuscle]

im just about out of my no-xplode!!
ive had great results but was curious about nano vapor and was thinkin of tryin it out but now i dont know!
maybe i should try and cylcle off for a bit and just think about it a little more.
hmm.

[WolfPack331]

eating a good meal 2 hours before your workout and not eating immediately before is what gives you good pumps. N.O. products don't do anything.

[nite2night]

nanox9, It diffusses in 9 Seconds!!!!

[Impulse921]

When I used to use NO products the best that worked for me was White Blood By Controlled Labs. Compared to Mri NO2 and Pumptech (which both worked pretty well but were way overpriced). White Blood outperforms them + is more cost effective.

I recommend trying it.

[Bradfab]

N.o Explode Is In My Opinion The Best For Me,currently I Am Using Nano Vapor And It Is Awesome As Well,hard To Say Which One Gives More Pump But I Do Get More Energy From N.o Explode.

[Adam_G2000]

I may have missed the discussion, any takers for the Dymatize Xplode? Tried it, gave me great pumps.

[egyption T]

how bout the shock therapy ppl?!...can anyone help?!!...i`ll b thankful if u reply me in a p.m.,..thanx brothers

[__Rickee]

ive tried most things and nothing beats the superpump 250, no explode was ok, wtf pumpd was mm yeah but yeah superpump 250 is the shizzle try it if u wanna go crazy LOL cant remember the other brands now its too early in the morning! 6:02 am IN AUSTRALIA LOL

[BIG CHUCKY]

so far i have to go with cutting edge labs nox surge.

[gdogg75]

1.eating a good meal 2 hours before your workout and not eating immediately before is what gives you good pumps.
2.N.O. products don't do anything.
i'm not starting a debate team or anything... but

1- while i agree that the "right diet" is key... not everyone can be dedicated 100 percent to a consistently clean diet... i know there a people who actually don't take supplements and rely solely on their diet... but that is very rare and difficult(not impossible)

2- don't do anything for who? you? that is a pretty broad statement... while there is scientific backing for both sides of the argument... i can personally say that it helped me get good "pumps" ... and not to mention this rash :D

[Sv87guS]

i'm not starting a debate team or anything... but

1- while i agree that the "right diet" is key... not everyone can be dedicated 100 percent to a consistently clean diet... i know there a people who actually don't take supplements and rely solely on their diet... but that is very rare and difficult(not impossible)

2- don't do anything for who? you? that is a pretty broad statement... while there is scientific backing for both sides of the argument... i can personally say that it helped me get good "pumps" ... and not to mention this rash :D

Agreed Nitric oxide is a great supp for pumps, im sick of people sayin it doesnt it helps alot with alot of things.

[ccs77]

eating a good meal 2 hours before your workout and not eating immediately before is what gives you good pumps. N.O. products don't do anything.

Diet is more important than all of these supps combined, but to say NO does nothing for everyone is kind of reaching.

[Sv87guS]

also how should i cycle my white flood, im kinda confused on it.

[Skull Crusher Chris]

also how should i cycle my white flood, im kinda confused on it.

6-8 weeks "on" followed by a 1-4 week "off" time.

[stevothedevo]

Extracts from a non-fairy tale land thread on NO products:


at least people are comin around and realizing this about NO supps, not to mention half the other supps out there are complete scams!
...............................................


have 2 cents too.
NO products = COMPLETE SCAM

.................................................
Originally Posted by bigreezey
I would like to throw in my 2 cents.

I have 15 years of lifting experience. I have competed in power lifting events previously and have reverted to BB style lifting as opposed to PL after a knee injury about 7 years ago. I have tried nearly all supplements under the sun. I have tried two brands of NO2 products, containing L-arginine ONLY, for the sake of testing "NO2".

I have had no effects what so ever.

Judging by the amount of posts around the web, it appears the "non responder" rate for this supplement exceeds 50%.

If this doesnt raise alarm bells in your head, then good luck to you.

With such a high rate of complaints from users, as well as scientific studies which back up elite athletes being fed this sht through an IV with no effect, two things are obvious-

" L ARGININE " does not work

People gaining effects, a "bigger pump", size gains, a better workout, from their favourite NO2 related supplement, are getting results from a number of things, and are so caught up in supplement hype, they have forgotten basics.

People are experiencing a plaebo affect
People are experiencing effects from known substances clinically proven to increase energey and exercize intencity - caffine, creatine, SUGAR
People are forgetting that the act of working out causes increase in mass and a PUMP. Thats right people, back in 1930, you had guys with 17" arms with minimal knowledge and no supplements. Let me guess, you have 13 or 14" arms? And your downing some ridiculous supplement stack?! Oh but it wil help you get bigger you say..... 5% increase, 10% increase over how long? how much money? looks like u wont even get that.

So add this together. Placebo+caffine+otherBS+working out, from my experience this gets you a big PUMP, and gains in lbm!!

But somehow, from the above, you have some idiot eating some BS arginine powder, paying a ridiculous price, getting minor enhancements from everything BUT l arginine and with the power of the mind, they are working out HARDER. must be the NO2!!!! ?!??!
working out HARDER will increase the "PUMP" , and believe it or not, a increase in mass (which most people arent even getting anyway due to retarded training regimes).

I take <insert your fav energy supplement here>, containing caffine and other stimulents prior to working out, and as opposed to when im not using it, I gain an extra rep or two and as a result, a bigger "pump".

It annoys me when I go into the gym, see some doods the size of twigs rantling on about this crud.

Its obivous the reason that most of these people buy this sht, is because they are unhappy with their current body state. If you were happy with your size, strength, you wouldnt be here in the first place

THE KEY: COMPOUND LIFING, HIGH CALORIES, TRAINING INTENSITY & VARIATION-. THE SUPPS: WHEY, CREATINE - but not even close to a necessity. people dont realise big size takes big commitment, more than likley double or triple the amount of years of training you were expecting to get your results, minus genetic exceptions.

to all the people I see in this thread who have been hit for a 6 now knowing their crappy powder isnt going to turn them into superman:

I have been lifting compound Bench, Squats, Deadlifts, Bent over&TBAR rows almost every 2nd (excluding rest peroids) day for close ot 15 years . This is what gives you size, this is what gives you strength. My arms mesure 18.5 at 5"8. Most of you people eating this crud arent even close to the size of your 1930 counterparts who had minimal ideas on training philosohpy , nutrition and absolutely no supplementation.

Stevothedevo has been on the money for some time, yet you are all too busy trying to justify a bad purchase to see it.

My 2 cents: ditch the *SUPPLEMENT* and go pay a trainer and a nutritionist for a few sessions.
....................................

lol people are STILL buying NO products?

.................................................. .

[ccs77]

First off it's obvious you've been working out for a while and I do respect your opinion however-

Your buddy bigreezey started a thread about shock therapy and was stating how good of results he was getting from it and was looking to try some other supps as well. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4169633

I can appreciate your opinion though as I have tried some supps that didn't work for me either. BSN Nitrix is one of them. I am new to this, but I can recognize when a product is wrking and when one is not. Suppliments DO work, for some more than others.

everyone is entitled to their .02...that was mine. :)

[jocktheglide]

First off it's obvious you've been working out for a while and I do respect your opinion however-

Your buddy bigreezey started a thread about shock therapy and was stating how good of results he was getting from it and was looking to try some other supps as well. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4169633

I can appreciate your opinion though as I have tried some supps that didn't work for me either. BSN Nitrix is one of them. I am new to this, but I can recognize when a product is wrking and when one is not. Suppliments DO work, for some more than others.

everyone is entitled to their .02...that was mine. :)

oh sheit son you just owned the MF above you on NO subject how fckin funny is that......

[ccs77]

oh sheit son you just owned the MF above you on NO subject how fckin funny is that......


That wasn't my objective, I try to stay very postive towards everyone on the board. I just don't like concrete statements about things that aren't 100% proven fact. It's obvious people are experiencing some postive effects from these suppliments.

Glad I could make you laugh this AM though :)

[IrockZ]

Extracts from a non-fairy tale land thread on NO products:


at least people are comin around and realizing this about NO supps, not to mention half the other supps out there are complete scams!
...............................................


have 2 cents too.
NO products = COMPLETE SCAM

.................................................
Originally Posted by bigreezey
I would like to throw in my 2 cents.

I have 15 years of lifting experience. I have competed in power lifting events previously and have reverted to BB style lifting as opposed to PL after a knee injury about 7 years ago. I have tried nearly all supplements under the sun. I have tried two brands of NO2 products, containing L-arginine ONLY, for the sake of testing "NO2".

I have had no effects what so ever.

Judging by the amount of posts around the web, it appears the "non responder" rate for this supplement exceeds 50%.

If this doesnt raise alarm bells in your head, then good luck to you.

With such a high rate of complaints from users, as well as scientific studies which back up elite athletes being fed this sht through an IV with no effect, two things are obvious-

" L ARGININE " does not work

People gaining effects, a "bigger pump", size gains, a better workout, from their favourite NO2 related supplement, are getting results from a number of things, and are so caught up in supplement hype, they have forgotten basics.

People are experiencing a plaebo affect
People are experiencing effects from known substances clinically proven to increase energey and exercize intencity - caffine, creatine, SUGAR
People are forgetting that the act of working out causes increase in mass and a PUMP. Thats right people, back in 1930, you had guys with 17" arms with minimal knowledge and no supplements. Let me guess, you have 13 or 14" arms? And your downing some ridiculous supplement stack?! Oh but it wil help you get bigger you say..... 5% increase, 10% increase over how long? how much money? looks like u wont even get that.

So add this together. Placebo+caffine+otherBS+working out, from my experience this gets you a big PUMP, and gains in lbm!!

But somehow, from the above, you have some idiot eating some BS arginine powder, paying a ridiculous price, getting minor enhancements from everything BUT l arginine and with the power of the mind, they are working out HARDER. must be the NO2!!!! ?!??!
working out HARDER will increase the "PUMP" , and believe it or not, a increase in mass (which most people arent even getting anyway due to retarded training regimes).

I take <insert your fav energy supplement here>, containing caffine and other stimulents prior to working out, and as opposed to when im not using it, I gain an extra rep or two and as a result, a bigger "pump".

It annoys me when I go into the gym, see some doods the size of twigs rantling on about this crud.

Its obivous the reason that most of these people buy this sht, is because they are unhappy with their current body state. If you were happy with your size, strength, you wouldnt be here in the first place

THE KEY: COMPOUND LIFING, HIGH CALORIES, TRAINING INTENSITY & VARIATION-. THE SUPPS: WHEY, CREATINE - but not even close to a necessity. people dont realise big size takes big commitment, more than likley double or triple the amount of years of training you were expecting to get your results, minus genetic exceptions.

to all the people I see in this thread who have been hit for a 6 now knowing their crappy powder isnt going to turn them into superman:

I have been lifting compound Bench, Squats, Deadlifts, Bent over&TBAR rows almost every 2nd (excluding rest peroids) day for close ot 15 years . This is what gives you size, this is what gives you strength. My arms mesure 18.5 at 5"8. Most of you people eating this crud arent even close to the size of your 1930 counterparts who had minimal ideas on training philosohpy , nutrition and absolutely no supplementation.

Stevothedevo has been on the money for some time, yet you are all too busy trying to justify a bad purchase to see it.

My 2 cents: ditch the *SUPPLEMENT* and go pay a trainer and a nutritionist for a few sessions.
....................................

lol people are STILL buying NO products?

.................................................. .



haha ur a fat **** bro.. and for energy ur gonna tell me pure ephedrine and caffeine are bull****.. ? ok.

[makennfix]

anyone have ever tried shock therapy of universal, the composition seem me complete for a NO product, i will try it with universal NOx.
can you tell me your feeling with its.

thank you .

[40-Yard Dash_2]

Read the write-up

Skim through the reviews\logs

Try it

And I'm sure you'll love it


NO-Limits

To Buy: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/design/no.html

The writeup: http://www.designersupps.com/product_writeups/nolimits.pdf

The FAQ: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1585641

The Logs:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2234361
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2234471
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2041991
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2056601
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2146351
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2047931
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2097831
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2105761
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1809531
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2087001
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2065331
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1905951
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2089911
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2054911
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2117311

[X-Macine]

First time user, so don't bash me over here. Shock Therapy, is that an NO product and how are the results?

[jocktheglide]

That wasn't my objective, I try to stay very postive towards everyone on the board. I just don't like concrete statements about things that aren't 100% proven fact. It's obvious people are experiencing some postive effects from these suppliments.

Glad I could make you laugh this AM though :)

Yeah I know, but im tired of those 3 guys going around the boards and saying all supplements dont help them.....look at my sig on it some 18 year old is going around called lifter X saying he is 18 years old, NO does not work, creatine does not work, a host of other things dont work, and he claims to be 280lbs and will be onstage at the Mr. O this year fckin kids...

[stevothedevo]

Thanks ccs77 for your opinions which I also respect.

I seem to give you the impression I am anti-supps.

For the record I take about ELEVEN different supps DAILY. I just do my research, virtually ignore reviews by users, totally ignore any info given by sellers and carefully log my diet, routine and weight daily to help assess a supps effect.

There is absolutely no evidence AT ALL anywhere that NO works - I've challenged on this forum and elsewhere so many times for even one shred of evidence that NO increses LBM .... I have NEVER got a reply...........not one. Hence I'm down on this supp - not all supps, and yes I took NO and all I got was dihorreah. The so called 'pump' people rave about I get for free when I work out, the alleged buzz is in most cases all caffiene.

In case you are wondering I take:

WPI
Creatine
ALCAR
R-ALA
Policosanol
Fish oil
multi
several bioflavanoids
several nootropics
several supps for type 2 diabetes

[jocktheglide]

Thanks ccs77 for your opinions which I also respect.

I seem to give you the impression I am anti-supps.

For the record I take about ELEVEN different supps DAILY. I just do my research, virtually ignore reviews by users, totally ignore any info given by sellers and carefully log my diet, routine and weight daily to help assess a supps effect.

There is absolutely no evidence AT ALL anywhere that NO works - I've challenged on this forum and elsewhere so many times for even one shred of evidence that NO increses LBM .... I have NEVER got a reply...........not one. Hence I'm down on this supp - not all supps, and yes I took NO and all I got was dihorreah. The so called 'pump' people rave about I get for free when I work out, the alleged buzz is in most cases all caffiene.

In case you are wondering I take:

WPI
Creatine
ALCAR
R-ALA
Policosanol
Fish oil
multi
several bioflavanoids
several nootropics
several supps for type 2 diabetes

understandable, but bro its been documented also that creatine does not work, your bioflavanoids dont work, all the items you listed do not work in general. For every report that claims to have something work thers another reseearch that claims it does not work...good for you that you stick with your own liking and sticks to what works for you, but dont go around bashing others feelings or placebos effects or whatever saying it dos not work just becuase it didnt work for you. I buy NO if it works or not I dont know, but it makes me feel great before a great workout I supplied something in body thinking it does even if it does not work. Hell adding in more protein claims it does not work ask any medical doctor they will tell you 30grams of protein is enough for a mans daily needs. yet we intake over 100 some pro bbers take 300 plus.

[stevothedevo]

understandable, but bro its been documented also that creatine does not work, your bioflavanoids dont work, all the items you listed do not work in general. For every report that claims to have something work thers another reseearch that claims it does not work...good for you that you stick with your own liking and sticks to what works for you, but dont go around bashing others feelings or placebos effects or whatever saying it dos not work just becuase it didnt work for you. I buy NO if it works or not I dont know, but it makes me feel great before a great workout I supplied something in body thinking it does even if it does not work. Hell adding in more protein claims it does not work ask any medical doctor they will tell you 30grams of protein is enough for a mans daily needs. yet we intake over 100 some pro bbers take 300 plus.

I hear you and you have some compelling arguments.

However, no research or science journal disputes that all NO products are poorly bioavailable and convert at around 90% to ornithine. This makes it necessary to take around 38 GRAMS of arginine / NO orally at one time....and all that will do is make you pretty sick and get dihorreah. That's why I say NO CANNOT not doesn't work....it is a metabolic impossibility unless intravenously delivered.

[ironchest]

First post in this forum so go easy!

I've not been to the U.S for 2 years now and last tiem i was there i got some supplements to take back as we get fuc k all in terms of good supps in the UK, can anybody suggest the better creatine/strength products such as V12turbo/ no limits etc....

please no flaming - its a genuine question

[jocktheglide]

I hear you and you have some compelling arguments.

However, no research or science journal disputes that all NO products are poorly bioavailable and convert at around 90% to ornithine. This makes it necessary to take around 38 GRAMS of arginine / NO orally at one time....and all that will do is make you pretty sick and get dihorreah. That's why I say NO CANNOT not doesn't work....it is a metabolic impossibility unless intravenously delivered.

i aint gonna lie i took them from all the reading on the boards and what not I personally dont know if it works or not it could be a placebo effect on me, but I feel great for workouts in general when I take them vs not taking them. Anyways I could have sworn the supplements I take have some references to research such as EAS, BSN, and of course muscletech.

[DeEMaSsIvE]

N.O. worked for me, ive used the Nos precussor from get diesel and i also used no xplode combined with Nitrix. Nitrix took a lil while to work and it did not work as they say, but if you beleive the stories they tell you, you think youll look like ronnie coleman in 4 weeks of use. but how can a placebo leave u pumped all day and leave ur veins poppin out. i was pumped and after i stopped the pumped reduced and you did not see my veins that much. it didn't maked me stronger or annything but i looked more buffed... and i still can see more veins then when i stardet with N.O.

i like N.O.

[4thecompetition]

I hear you and you have some compelling arguments.

However, no research or science journal disputes that all NO products are poorly bioavailable and convert at around 90% to ornithine. This makes it necessary to take around 38 GRAMS of arginine / NO orally at one time....and all that will do is make you pretty sick and get dihorreah. That's why I say NO CANNOT not doesn't work....it is a metabolic impossibility unless intravenously delivered.

I am not arguing with you, however I would like to know what journals you are reffering to, especially in reference to the pharmokinetics of NO supplements. "Bode-Boger SM, Boger RH, Galland A, et al. L-arginine-induced vasodilation in healthy humans: pharmacokinetic-pharmacodynamic relationship. Br J Clin Pharmacol. 1998; 46:489-497" states the oral bioavailability of L-arginine at 70%, as it is was studied in British hospitals as a therapy for cardiovascular disease.

[stevothedevo]

I am not arguing with you, however I would like to know what journals you are reffering to, especially in reference to the pharmokinetics of NO supplements. "Bode-Boger SM, Boger RH, Galland A, et al. L-arginine-induced vasodilation in healthy humans: pharmacokinetic-pharmacodynamic relationship. Br J Clin Pharmacol. 1998; 46:489-497" states the oral bioavailability of L-arginine at 70%, as it is was studied in British hospitals as a therapy for cardiovascular disease.

My error - and well done, that was certainly a good pick up. The bioavailability is 50-70%.

(The ridiculous oral doses required for ANY effect is still a valid argument regardless.)

I apologise unreservedly anyway as that type of error is unforgivable from someone (me) who is attempting to convince using the facts.

[stevothedevo]

N.O. worked for me, ive used the Nos precussor from get diesel and i also used no xplode combined with Nitrix. Nitrix took a lil while to work and it did not work as they say, but if you beleive the stories they tell you, you think youll look like ronnie coleman in 4 weeks of use. but how can a placebo leave u pumped all day and leave ur veins poppin out. i was pumped and after i stopped the pumped reduced and you did not see my veins that much. it didn't maked me stronger or annything but i looked more buffed... and i still can see more veins then when i stardet with N.O.

i like N.O.

1. Time release arginine is supposed to lead to a "perpetual pump" effect. New studies have shown this not to be the case.
2. Oral arginine supplementation doesn't affect blood flow.
3. NO2 was shown to have no effect compared to a placebo on body composition or muscle strength.
4. Five grams of arginine consumed during resistance exercise was shown to decrease normal exercise-induced GH output.


And these conclusions are not guesses - they are a summary from real pharmacological analysis and mainstream medical usage.

[4thecompetition]

1. Time release arginine is supposed to lead to a "perpetual pump" effect. New studies have shown this not to be the case.
2. Oral arginine supplementation doesn't affect blood flow.
3. NO2 was shown to have no effect compared to a placebo on body composition or muscle strength.
4. Five grams of arginine consumed during resistance exercise was shown to decrease normal exercise-induced GH output.


And these conclusions are not guesses - they are a summary from real pharmacological analysis and mainstream medical usage.


Once again i appreciate the facts, however i would like to know where this information is coming from. Not that i do not trust you, however i would like to read the primary literature before accepting and spreading such information.

[andrew6132]

pop 3 to 5000mg L arginines from gnc or whatevr and your heart will be pumping for at leats an hour and a half. I've been liftin for 7 years and takin arginine for about 4 since i read about it being fuel for your heart in a mens health article.I usually get the powder two small scoops is 5000. whoever says it does nothing couldnt tell the difference between m1t and tylenol.





can you do 85 pushups too?

[andrew6132]

maybe you too fat for arginine to work. after a couple months of arginine you will hae vains in places you didnt before. it increases the diameter of tveins whick leads to more blood and nutrients to your muscles. tell you pharaceutical companies to come research a beast like me.

[d2trader1]

Once again i appreciate the facts, however i would like to know where this information is coming from. Not that i do not trust you, however i would like to read the primary literature before accepting and spreading such information.

I think he is quoting the summary section of the forum thread http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=789988
which, I don't think gives a reference to the primary studies. The original article, as opposed to the borrowed statements, does reference the studies, I believe. Goto the original author's website and follow the link (raisethebarr.net) to supplement reviews, then goto nitric Oxide pt. 2 at the bottom.

[geeman]

Any prob with Gakic and No Xplode together preworkout?

G

[stevothedevo]

Once again i appreciate the facts, however i would like to know where this information is coming from. Not that i do not trust you, however i would like to read the primary literature before accepting and spreading such information.


1. Adams MR, Forsyth CJ, Jessup W, Robinson J, Celermajer DS. Oral -arginine inhibits platelet aggregation but does not enhance endothelium-dependent dilation in healthy young men. J. Am. Coll. Cardiol. 26 (1995), pp. 1054?1061

2. Baron AD. Hemodynamic actions of insulin. Am J Physiol. 1994 Aug;267(2 Pt 1):E187-202

3. Baron AD, Tarshoby M, Hook G, Lazaridis EN, Cronin J, Johnson A, Steinberg HO. Interaction between insulin sensitivity and muscle perfusion on glucose uptake in human skeletal muscle: evidence for capillary recruitment. Diabetes. 2000 May;49(5):768-74

4. Beaumier L, Castillo L, Ajami AM, Young VR. Urea cycle intermediate kinetics and nitrate excretion at normal and "therapeutic" intakes of arginine in humans. Am J Physiol. 1995 Nov;269(5 Pt 1):E884-96

5. Besset A, Bonardet A, Rondouin G, Descomps B, Passouant P. Increase in sleep related GH and Prl secretion after chronic arginine aspartate administration in man. Acta Endocrinol (Copenh). 1982 Jan;99(1):18-23

6. Bode-Boger SM, Boger RH, Galland A, Tsikas D, Frolich JC. L-arginine-induced vasodilation in healthy humans: pharmacokinetic-pharmacodynamic relationship. Br J Clin Pharmacol. 1998 Nov;46(5):489-97

7. Buvat J, Lemaire A. Endocrine screening in 1,022 men with erectile dysfunction: clinical significance and cost-effective strategy. J Urol. 1997 Nov;158(5):1764-7

8. Campbell B, Baer J, Roberts M, Vacanti T, Marcello B, Thomas A, Kerksick C, Wilborn, C, Rohle D, Taylor L, Rasmussen C, Greenwood M, Wilson R, Kreider R. Effects of arginine alpha-ketoglutarate supplementation on body composition and training adaptations. Sports Nutrition Review Journal 1 (1): S10, 2004

9. Castillo L, Sanchez M, Vogt J, Chapman TE, DeRojas-Walker TC, Tannenbaum SR, Ajami AM, Young VR. Plasma arginine, citrulline, and ornithine kinetics in adults, with observations on nitric oxide synthesis. Am J Physiol. 1995 Feb;268(2 Pt 1):E360-7

10. Chaput de Saintonge DM, Herxheimer A. Harnessing placebo effects in health care Lancet. 1994 Oct 8;344(8928):995-8

11. Chin-Dusting JP, Alexander CT, Arnold PJ, Hodgson WC, Lux AS, Jennings GL. Effects of in vivo and in vitro -arginine supplementation on healthy human vessels. J. Cardiovasc. Pharmacol. 28 (1996), pp. 158?166

12. Chin-Dusting JP, Kaye DM, Lefkovits J, Wong J, Bergin P, Jennings GL. Dietary supplementation with -arginine fails to restore endothelial function in forearm resistance arteries in patients with severe heart failure. J. Am. Coll. Cardiol. 27 (1996), pp. 1207?1213

13. Dela F, Mikines KJ, Tronier B, Galbo H. Diminished arginine-stimulated insulin secretion in trained men. J Appl Physiol. 1990 Jul;69(1):261-7

14. Gater DR, Gater DA, Uribe JM, Bunt JC. Effects of arginine/lysine supplementation and resistance training on glucose tolerance. J Appl Physiol. 1992 Apr;72(4):1279-84

15. Giugliano D, Marfella R, Verrazzo G, Acampora R, Coppola L, Cozzolino D, D'Onofrio F The vascular effects of L-Arginine in humans. The role of endogenous insulin. J Clin Invest. 1997 Feb 1;99(3):433-8

16. Hardin DS, Azzarelli B, Edwards J, Wigglesworth J, Maianu L, Brechtel G, Johnson A, Baron A, Garvey WT. Mechanisms of enhanced insulin sensitivity in endurance-trained athletes: effects on blood flow and differential expression of GLUT 4 in skeletal muscles. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1995 Aug;80(8):2437-46

17. Hishikawa K, Nakaki T, Tsuda M, Esumi H, Ohshima H, Suzuki H, Saruta T, Kato R. Effect of systemic L-arginine administration on hemodynamics and nitric oxide release in man. Jpn Heart J. 1992 Jan;33(1):41-8

18. Kerksick C, Campbell B, Taylor L., Wilborn C, Rasmussen C, Vacanti T, Greenwood M, Bowden R, Wilson R, Kreider R. Pharmacokinetic profile of time released and non-time released Arginine. Sports Nutrition Review Journal 1 (1): S9, 2004

19. Kirsch I, and Sapirstein G. Listening to Prozac but Hearing Placebo:
A Meta-Analysis of Antidepressant Medication Prevention & Treatment, Volume 1, Article 0002a, posted June 26, 1998

20. Koopman R, Wagenmakers AJ, Manders RJ, Zorenc AH, Senden JM, Gorselink M, Keizer HA, van Loon LJ. The combined ingestion of protein and free leucine with carbohydrate increases post-exercise muscle protein synthesis in vivo in male subjects. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. In Press 2005

21. Kurz S, Harrison DG. Insulin and the arginine paradox. J Clin Invest. 1997 Feb 1;99(3):369-70

22. Ivy JL, Goforth HW Jr, Damon BM, McCauley TR, Parsons EC, Price TB.Early postexercise muscle glycogen recovery is enhanced with a carbohydrate-protein supplement. J Appl Physiol. 2002 Oct;93(4):1337-44

23. Macdonald MJ, Fahien LA, Brown LJ, Hasan NM, Buss JD, Kendrick MA. Perspective: emerging evidence for signaling roles of mitochondrial anaplerotic products in insulin secretion Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 288: E1-E15, 2005

24. Marcell TJ, Taaffe DR, Hawkins SA, Tarpenning KM, Pyka G, Kohlmeier L, Wiswell RA, Marcus R. Oral arginine does not stimulate basal or augment exercise-induced GH secretion in either young or old adults. J Gerontol A Biol Sci Med Sci. 1999 Aug;54(8):M395-9

25. Richmonds CR, Kaminski HJ. Nitric oxide synthase expression and effects of nitric oxide modulation on contractility of rat extraocular muscle., FASEB J. 2001 Aug;15(10):1764-70

26. Robinson TM, Sewell DA, Greenhaff PL. L-arginine ingestion after rest and exercise: effects on glucose disposal. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2003 Aug;35(8):1309-15

27. Steinberg HO, Brechtel G, Johnson A, Fineberg N, Baron AD. Insulin-mediated skeletal muscle vasodilation is nitric oxide dependent. A novel action of insulin to increase nitric oxide release. Clin Invest. 1994 Sep;94(3):1172-9

28. Tipton KD, Rasmussen BB, Miller SL, Wolf SE, Owens-Stovall SK, Petrini BE, Wolfe RR. Timing of amino acid-carbohydrate ingestion alters anabolic response of muscle to resistance exercise. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2001 Aug;281(2):E197-206

29. Yaspelkis, BB, III, and Ivy JL. The effect of a carbohydrate-arginine supplement on post-exercise carbohydrate metabolism. Int J Sport Nutr 9: 241-250, 1999

30. Zawadzki KM, Yaspelkis BB 3rd, Ivy JL. Carbohydrate-protein complex increases the rate of muscle glycogen storage after exercise. J Appl Physiol. 1992 May;72(5):1854-9

[dustin156]

1. Adams MR, Forsyth CJ, Jessup W, Robinson J, Celermajer DS. Oral -arginine inhibits platelet aggregation but does not enhance endothelium-dependent dilation in healthy young men. J. Am. Coll. Cardiol. 26 (1995), pp. 1054?1061

2. Baron AD. Hemodynamic actions of insulin. Am J Physiol. 1994 Aug;267(2 Pt 1):E187-202

3. Baron AD, Tarshoby M, Hook G, Lazaridis EN, Cronin J, Johnson A, Steinberg HO. Interaction between insulin sensitivity and muscle perfusion on glucose uptake in human skeletal muscle: evidence for capillary recruitment. Diabetes. 2000 May;49(5):768-74

4. Beaumier L, Castillo L, Ajami AM, Young VR. Urea cycle intermediate kinetics and nitrate excretion at normal and "therapeutic" intakes of arginine in humans. Am J Physiol. 1995 Nov;269(5 Pt 1):E884-96

5. Besset A, Bonardet A, Rondouin G, Descomps B, Passouant P. Increase in sleep related GH and Prl secretion after chronic arginine aspartate administration in man. Acta Endocrinol (Copenh). 1982 Jan;99(1):18-23

6. Bode-Boger SM, Boger RH, Galland A, Tsikas D, Frolich JC. L-arginine-induced vasodilation in healthy humans: pharmacokinetic-pharmacodynamic relationship. Br J Clin Pharmacol. 1998 Nov;46(5):489-97

7. Buvat J, Lemaire A. Endocrine screening in 1,022 men with erectile dysfunction: clinical significance and cost-effective strategy. J Urol. 1997 Nov;158(5):1764-7

8. Campbell B, Baer J, Roberts M, Vacanti T, Marcello B, Thomas A, Kerksick C, Wilborn, C, Rohle D, Taylor L, Rasmussen C, Greenwood M, Wilson R, Kreider R. Effects of arginine alpha-ketoglutarate supplementation on body composition and training adaptations. Sports Nutrition Review Journal 1 (1): S10, 2004

9. Castillo L, Sanchez M, Vogt J, Chapman TE, DeRojas-Walker TC, Tannenbaum SR, Ajami AM, Young VR. Plasma arginine, citrulline, and ornithine kinetics in adults, with observations on nitric oxide synthesis. Am J Physiol. 1995 Feb;268(2 Pt 1):E360-7

10. Chaput de Saintonge DM, Herxheimer A. Harnessing placebo effects in health care Lancet. 1994 Oct 8;344(8928):995-8

11. Chin-Dusting JP, Alexander CT, Arnold PJ, Hodgson WC, Lux AS, Jennings GL. Effects of in vivo and in vitro -arginine supplementation on healthy human vessels. J. Cardiovasc. Pharmacol. 28 (1996), pp. 158?166

12. Chin-Dusting JP, Kaye DM, Lefkovits J, Wong J, Bergin P, Jennings GL. Dietary supplementation with -arginine fails to restore endothelial function in forearm resistance arteries in patients with severe heart failure. J. Am. Coll. Cardiol. 27 (1996), pp. 1207?1213

13. Dela F, Mikines KJ, Tronier B, Galbo H. Diminished arginine-stimulated insulin secretion in trained men. J Appl Physiol. 1990 Jul;69(1):261-7

14. Gater DR, Gater DA, Uribe JM, Bunt JC. Effects of arginine/lysine supplementation and resistance training on glucose tolerance. J Appl Physiol. 1992 Apr;72(4):1279-84

15. Giugliano D, Marfella R, Verrazzo G, Acampora R, Coppola L, Cozzolino D, D'Onofrio F The vascular effects of L-Arginine in humans. The role of endogenous insulin. J Clin Invest. 1997 Feb 1;99(3):433-8

16. Hardin DS, Azzarelli B, Edwards J, Wigglesworth J, Maianu L, Brechtel G, Johnson A, Baron A, Garvey WT. Mechanisms of enhanced insulin sensitivity in endurance-trained athletes: effects on blood flow and differential expression of GLUT 4 in skeletal muscles. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1995 Aug;80(8):2437-46

17. Hishikawa K, Nakaki T, Tsuda M, Esumi H, Ohshima H, Suzuki H, Saruta T, Kato R. Effect of systemic L-arginine administration on hemodynamics and nitric oxide release in man. Jpn Heart J. 1992 Jan;33(1):41-8

18. Kerksick C, Campbell B, Taylor L., Wilborn C, Rasmussen C, Vacanti T, Greenwood M, Bowden R, Wilson R, Kreider R. Pharmacokinetic profile of time released and non-time released Arginine. Sports Nutrition Review Journal 1 (1): S9, 2004

19. Kirsch I, and Sapirstein G. Listening to Prozac but Hearing Placebo:
A Meta-Analysis of Antidepressant Medication Prevention & Treatment, Volume 1, Article 0002a, posted June 26, 1998

20. Koopman R, Wagenmakers AJ, Manders RJ, Zorenc AH, Senden JM, Gorselink M, Keizer HA, van Loon LJ. The combined ingestion of protein and free leucine with carbohydrate increases post-exercise muscle protein synthesis in vivo in male subjects. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. In Press 2005

21. Kurz S, Harrison DG. Insulin and the arginine paradox. J Clin Invest. 1997 Feb 1;99(3):369-70

22. Ivy JL, Goforth HW Jr, Damon BM, McCauley TR, Parsons EC, Price TB.Early postexercise muscle glycogen recovery is enhanced with a carbohydrate-protein supplement. J Appl Physiol. 2002 Oct;93(4):1337-44

23. Macdonald MJ, Fahien LA, Brown LJ, Hasan NM, Buss JD, Kendrick MA. Perspective: emerging evidence for signaling roles of mitochondrial anaplerotic products in insulin secretion Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 288: E1-E15, 2005

24. Marcell TJ, Taaffe DR, Hawkins SA, Tarpenning KM, Pyka G, Kohlmeier L, Wiswell RA, Marcus R. Oral arginine does not stimulate basal or augment exercise-induced GH secretion in either young or old adults. J Gerontol A Biol Sci Med Sci. 1999 Aug;54(8):M395-9

25. Richmonds CR, Kaminski HJ. Nitric oxide synthase expression and effects of nitric oxide modulation on contractility of rat extraocular muscle., FASEB J. 2001 Aug;15(10):1764-70

26. Robinson TM, Sewell DA, Greenhaff PL. L-arginine ingestion after rest and exercise: effects on glucose disposal. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2003 Aug;35(8):1309-15

27. Steinberg HO, Brechtel G, Johnson A, Fineberg N, Baron AD. Insulin-mediated skeletal muscle vasodilation is nitric oxide dependent. A novel action of insulin to increase nitric oxide release. Clin Invest. 1994 Sep;94(3):1172-9

28. Tipton KD, Rasmussen BB, Miller SL, Wolf SE, Owens-Stovall SK, Petrini BE, Wolfe RR. Timing of amino acid-carbohydrate ingestion alters anabolic response of muscle to resistance exercise. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2001 Aug;281(2):E197-206

29. Yaspelkis, BB, III, and Ivy JL. The effect of a carbohydrate-arginine supplement on post-exercise carbohydrate metabolism. Int J Sport Nutr 9: 241-250, 1999

30. Zawadzki KM, Yaspelkis BB 3rd, Ivy JL. Carbohydrate-protein complex increases the rate of muscle glycogen storage after exercise. J Appl Physiol. 1992 May;72(5):1854-9


LMFAO.....no need to even check the credibility of all these.... We have a winner!!

EDIT: so after 3120 posts has there been a "BEST N.O." product declared?

[ccs77]

LMFAO.....no need to even check the credibility of all these.... We have a winner!!

EDIT: so after 3120 posts has there been a "BEST N.O." product declared?

LOL....um...."no".

[Phillygreen]

I have been using BSN Nitrix, and to me it seem to be working. Isn't it supposed to help with Muscle recovery. I have noticed that I am not as sore the next day from working out. Yes I am working hard enough. As for blood flow(pumping) it works. You can't say it doesn't. Take your pulse before and after taking Nitrix (30 minutes after) and there will be a definite increase. This is off topic but since your looking, what do you guys think of X-Factor.

[BigTime22]

maybe you too fat for arginine to work. after a couple months of arginine you will hae vains in places you didnt before. it increases the diameter of tveins whick leads to more blood and nutrients to your muscles. tell you pharaceutical companies to come research a beast like me.

A beast like you!?!?!? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You weigh 150lbs bro! I've taken ****s bigger than you.

I've noticed that most people who religiously take NO supplements are all swole ass 150 pounders like this little chump here. If NO is so awesome then why are you the size of a 12 year old girl? NO supps are worthless... and even if you think they give you a better pump than normal, that does NOTHING in terms of LBM gains. Nitric oxide is a scam that newbies like you fall for.

[pittjoe33]

A beast like you!?!?!? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You weigh 150lbs bro! I've taken ****s bigger than you.

I've noticed that most people who religiously take NO supplements are all swole ass 150 pounders like this little chump here. If NO is so awesome then why are you the size of a 12 year old girl? NO supps are worthless... and even if you think they give you a better pump than normal, that does NOTHING in terms of LBM gains. Nitric oxide is a scam that newbies like you fall for.

I would disagree on a few things. Three studies did show that NO2 products containing Arginine AKG do not work, unless of course they are injected in dangerous amounts. But, I believe that that Arginine Ethyl Ester combined with Citrulline can produce pumps, which help you feel stronger and more motivated, which lead to a better workout. If using a quality NO2 containing the previously mentioned with a stimulant, you can have better mental focus and better workouts. If taking an NO2 containing caffeine, it's best to use a creatine ethyl esther due to caffeine interfering with regular creatine absorption. NO2 will not create a larger physique, but aids in the overall process. As far as size and weight, everyone has a starting point. Why not encourage someone getting started and lead them in the right direction. I use to wrestle with some 150 punders that were strong as hell and chiseled. I'm also friends with a girl that's 5'6 115 lbs. that captured gold in Judo in the Pan Am games several years back. I've seen her throw punches with guys. I also served in the Marine Corps. with a sgt. that was 5'6 165 lbs that competed in Tae Kwon Do and Jui Jitsu that you would see in a bar and not think twice about going outside with. That would be a bad decision.

[gdogg75]

A beast like you!?!?!? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You weigh 150lbs bro! I've taken ****s bigger than you.

remind me to not take a dump after you -
in defense of 150 pounders and below... i used to weigh 140- now i m 180... i'm in no ways "chiseled" ... but i am getting there- for some reason i got into the NO bandwagon... but i feel after this last container i will try something else...

so far i have tried PrimaForce (primal n20), muscletech (NaNO), gaspari (SP250) and animal pump...

whether it's great marketing or not... i have to admit those products helped me gain some confidence (mentally and physically)

i recently PM'd Patrick Arnold on his comments on NO products... his overall comments were along the lines of not being overly impressed ... as there are much more effective products out there

but like i have said before .. of all the products the primal n20 is great.. and for 25 bucks- it's pretty decent-

[BigTime22]

remind me to not take a dump after you -
in defense of 150 pounders and below... i used to weigh 140- now i m 180... i'm in no ways "chiseled" ... but i am getting there- for some reason i got into the NO bandwagon... but i feel after this last container i will try something else...

so far i have tried PrimaForce (primal n20), muscletech (NaNO), gaspari (SP250) and animal pump...

whether it's great marketing or not... i have to admit those products helped me gain some confidence (mentally and physically)

i recently PM'd Patrick Arnold on his comments on NO products... his overall comments were along the lines of not being overly impressed ... as there are much more effective products out there

but like i have said before .. of all the products the primal n20 is great.. and for 25 bucks- it's pretty decent-


I used to weigh 155lbs a few years ago, and guess what? I thought NO was the **** back then too! Fortunately after lifting and researching for a few months I discovered that the energy I got from those preworkout NO supps was purely from caffeine, and I could get that same pump just from working out. If its really worth spending money to look a little bigger for a few hours (supposedly) then go for it, but I'm just saying there is far better things you could be spending your money on.

[gdogg75]

I used to weigh 155lbs a few years ago, and guess what? I thought NO was the **** back then too! Fortunately after lifting and researching for a few months I discovered that the energy I got from those preworkout NO supps was purely from caffeine, and I could get that same pump just from working out. If its really worth spending money to look a little bigger for a few hours (supposedly) then go for it, but I'm just saying there is far better things you could be spending your money on.
i don't think NO products are "all that" ... and seriously i will get on a different product(like a creatine product)... it's funny because if you look at all the the endorsements out there... and makes me wonder if those "pros" actually drink the stuff...
when they drink it it's probably like kool aid to them...
i consider myself a noob when it comes to bb... lessons learned.
for what its worth... if you want a great tasting "caffeinated kool aid" (with explosive toilet potential) try Nano Vapor... :)

[champster]

I tried GNC's brand of NO didn't feel a thing. Am on first canister of Gaspari Superpump Oh my!!!!! What a supplement. Works just like the ad says in the first workout. Good stuff. I usually get real low on supply before i buy my next canister of anything, but after using half of Superpump, I have already bought next batch.

It has a stimulant and I need that for my morning workouts...if you don't want that then don't get it. Also, it has the creatine and if you don't want to take creatine then don't buy it.

I wnat all three and love the product.

[pittjoe33]

I tried GNC's brand of NO didn't feel a thing. Am on first canister of Gaspari Superpump Oh my!!!!! What a supplement. Works just like the ad says in the first workout. Good stuff. I usually get real low on supply before i buy my next canister of anything, but after using half of Superpump, I have already bought next batch.

It has a stimulant and I need that for my morning workouts...if you don't want that then don't get it. Also, it has the creatine and if you don't want to take creatine then don't buy it.

I wnat all three and love the product.

I plan on making SuperPump 250, SizeOn and Novedex XT as my next stack after I use what I currently have. Have you tried SizeOn or Novedex? I've only used a 3-day sample of SizeOn and SuperPump 250 when my NO-Xplode and CellMass ran out.

[ericgoldman]

No xplode is by far the best no products i have ever taken. it really gives you a great pump

[fredarn]

Hah, what a stupid thread! Best NO product. Let me tell you something; NO is just BS! It dosent work, there is no real science on it.

[Crowww]

I am getting great pumps and crazy energy, it's almost insane! I recently used Trac(orange) Great Pumps as well as energy and easy to chug down.

[D-town=no good]

I used NO xplode and it helped but it also made an xplosion in the bathroom ,, I think the N.O products work but, I'd go with pills of some sort like nitrix.

[uhockey]

Read the write-up

Skim through the reviews\logs

Try it

And I'm sure you'll love it


NO-Limits

To Buy: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/design/no.html

The writeup: http://www.designersupps.com/product_writeups/nolimits.pdf

The FAQ: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1585641

The Logs:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2234361
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2234471
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2041991
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2056601
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2146351
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2047931
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2097831
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2105761
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1809531
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2087001
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2065331
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1905951
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2089911
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2054911
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2117311

Actually, for those saying no science, see the writeup and the references to NO-Limits. The logs are nice, but the mechanistics are nicer.

[self_made_hawk]

white flood

[stevothedevo]

Actually, for those saying no science, see the writeup and the references to NO-Limits. The logs are nice, but the mechanistics are nicer.


Hmmmmmmm.

User anecdotes from anonamous lifters without any objective or controlled measurement standards except 'feelings'.....

Verses

Statistically significant samples from scientific researchers in tightly controlled circumstances measured with state of the art blood and enzyme testing......



Well, surely the answer is a no brainer......pardon the pun!

[Tru_Souljah]

I just bought NO-Explode (which came with a sample of cell-mass and and 4 samples of syntha-6) Im not starting back my training till next week so ill let you guys know my experience.


I used NO Explode this morning. I took 3 scoops at 7:30am I started my workout at 8:13 am. Now I didnt work out for 2 months and this is my first time working out in the morning. my work schedual changed so that's why I staretd in the morning. I did dumbbell bench press starting at 35 pounds. I did 22 reps for my first set. then used 30 pounds and did 10 reps. my arms are not that developed, I dont know if it's cause I started at 35 pounds when i shouldve started at 20 or 25 cause i didnt work out for a while or if it's cause Im doing weight training on an empty stomach in the morning but i felt weak. The NO explode didnt really do nothing for me. i tested my tolerance when i first bought it with two scoops and i felt energy but this time i didnt feel nothing.

so Tomorrow im gonna try again. maybe I should have breakfast first. what do you guys think??

[pittjoe33]

I used NO Explode this morning. I took 3 scoops at 7:30am I started my workout at 8:13 am. Now I didnt work out for 2 months and this is my first time working out in the morning. my work schedual changed so that's why I staretd in the morning. I did dumbbell bench press starting at 35 pounds. I did 22 reps for my first set. then used 30 pounds and did 10 reps. my arms are not that developed, I dont know if it's cause I started at 35 pounds when i shouldve started at 20 or 25 cause i didnt work out for a while or if it's cause Im doing weight training on an empty stomach in the morning but i felt weak. The NO explode didnt really do nothing for me. i tested my tolerance when i first bought it with two scoops and i felt energy but this time i didnt feel nothing.

so Tomorrow im gonna try again. maybe I should have breakfast first. what do you guys think??

Are you taking anything else? When I have a long layoff I usually use 2 weeks of working out before going into a supplement. This way you give your body and muscles a chance to get back into the swing of things. Also, when you begin a supplement, you can tell if you feel a difference or not. Things such as amount of weight you're able to lift, number of reps, soreness afterwards and the next 2 days, recovery, etc. Right now you're not sure of how it would have gone without the supplement. If taking NO Xplode, drink a lot of extra water- more than usual throught the entire day. Use a good multivitamin such as Adam or MegaMan. Take NO Xplode on an empty stomach. If eating first, make sure you wait 1-2 hrs. after eating before taking, then workout 45 min-1 hr. after taking. Take CellMass imediately after the workout, then wait 1 hr. before eating again. Take a whey protein drink in between meals- 2 hrs. before and after meals. Take a casain protein before bed due to slow digestion during the time the body isn't receiving food. This may help how you feel for the morning workout as well. Hope this helps.

[pittjoe33]

I used NO Explode this morning. I took 3 scoops at 7:30am I started my workout at 8:13 am. Now I didnt work out for 2 months and this is my first time working out in the morning. my work schedual changed so that's why I staretd in the morning. I did dumbbell bench press starting at 35 pounds. I did 22 reps for my first set. then used 30 pounds and did 10 reps. my arms are not that developed, I dont know if it's cause I started at 35 pounds when i shouldve started at 20 or 25 cause i didnt work out for a while or if it's cause Im doing weight training on an empty stomach in the morning but i felt weak. The NO explode didnt really do nothing for me. i tested my tolerance when i first bought it with two scoops and i felt energy but this time i didnt feel nothing.

so Tomorrow im gonna try again. maybe I should have breakfast first. what do you guys think??

One other thing that may help too. I buy a can of almonds and mixed nuts- chestnut, walnuts, almonds, raisens, etc. If hungry and out, you have something healthy with protein to munch. If in a hurry, I find tuna is quick, or a peanutbutter and jelly sandwich with bananas and mixed nuts sandwich on whole wheat good, filling and healthy, washed down with a protein shake.

[ccs77]

I used NO Explode this morning. I took 3 scoops at 7:30am I started my workout at 8:13 am. Now I didnt work out for 2 months and this is my first time working out in the morning. my work schedual changed so that's why I staretd in the morning. I did dumbbell bench press starting at 35 pounds. I did 22 reps for my first set. then used 30 pounds and did 10 reps. my arms are not that developed, I dont know if it's cause I started at 35 pounds when i shouldve started at 20 or 25 cause i didnt work out for a while or if it's cause Im doing weight training on an empty stomach in the morning but i felt weak. The NO explode didnt really do nothing for me. i tested my tolerance when i first bought it with two scoops and i felt energy but this time i didnt feel nothing.

so Tomorrow im gonna try again. maybe I should have breakfast first. what do you guys think??


You need carbs a couple hours before a work out. It makes bigger difference than the suppliment alone. NO Xplode works, but sometimes less can be more. Try going back to 2 scoops. There is a llot of caffeine in that stuff and too much caffeine can make you feel like crap.

[Tru_Souljah]

You need carbs a couple hours before a work out. It makes bigger difference than the suppliment alone. NO Xplode works, but sometimes less can be more. Try going back to 2 scoops. There is a llot of caffeine in that stuff and too much caffeine can make you feel like crap.

thanks for the advice. tomorrow im gonna try eating breakfast at 8am and take 2 scoops of NO explode at 9am and then workout at 9:30-45.

[pittjoe33]

thanks for the advice. tomorrow im gonna try eating breakfast at 8am and take 2 scoops of NO explode at 9am and then workout at 9:30-45.

Good idea. The stimulants help to get you going and mentally focused. But, you need to cycle off after 4-6 weeks for 2-4 weeks. It's hard to get into it on the off cycle when you're use to the extra kick from the stims. The less you use while still getting something from it the better the off-cycle.

[RippedinMiami]

Nitrix by BSN. great stuff!!

[uhockey]

Hmmmmmmm.

User anecdotes from anonamous lifters without any objective or controlled measurement standards except 'feelings'.....

Verses

Statistically significant samples from scientific researchers in tightly controlled circumstances measured with state of the art blood and enzyme testing......



Well, surely the answer is a no brainer......pardon the pun!

Well son, thats why I suggested reading the writeup, then the logs.

[DJHhottie]

I find these arguments that it doesn't work completely bogus.

I did a 12 week cycle of Nitrix, and followed the directions, kept my glutamine intake under 10g's per day and drank 120+ oz of water daily.

When I began I had virtually NO veins popping, and by the time I was done I had shoulder veins, bicep veins, even lower abdominal veins popping.

I now that for at least vascularity and pumps it worked for me without a doubt. I also made great gains in those 12 weeks, mass-wise anyways.

Currently using BSN No-Xplode, it gives me great mental focus, and good pumps.

[taseal]

I tried NO XPLODE. I shat it out within 10 minutes... I felt like throwing up trying to drink it too

I tried Controlled labs White blood. I felt nothing

I just take GNC or Twin Labs L-Arginine now...

I don't feel anything when I take these things, but I don't think i'm supposed to lol

perhaps it takes a while... with white blood and normal L-Arginine, I have not taken them long enough (maybe a month if that)

the poster above me says after 12 weeks he saw all his veins popping... so hopefully I will too... right now I see nothing

[nudavinci64]

Ive taken both superpump 250 and currently trying out no-xplode on my second cycle and sure it feels like it works. I can power through a 3-4 hour workout when most of my friends go home. It may work or it may not work but if I think it works and I only pay 30 bucks for it then sure it works for me.

I have read that a lot of arginine and NO products do not really give any results but i think everyone results is on a case by case basis and how they perceive the product.

So far now these products have been working great for me. My actually weight gains have not been super great but I have had great results overall in maintaining muscle with some growth and dropping a lot of weight.

I like the psduo mental focus and "pump" like feel that I still have 3-4 hours later . The caffeine like rush wears off after about 40 minutes, in which they say to take it about 40 minutes before your workout.

[champster]

I plan on making SuperPump 250, SizeOn and Novedex XT as my next stack after I use what I currently have. Have you tried SizeOn or Novedex? I've only used a 3-day sample of SizeOn and SuperPump 250 when my NO-Xplode and CellMass ran out.

Novidex put my test off the chart. I am using Size on right now but don't really know if it is working its gonna be one of those trust things. I could really feel the increase in testosterone in the gym while using Novidex. my testosterone went to nearly 1700 on Novidex. After I have been off it for a few weeks now I notice a decrease in strenth and aggressive fealing in the gym.

[champster]

I used NO Explode this morning. I took 3 scoops at 7:30am I started my workout at 8:13 am. Now I didnt work out for 2 months and this is my first time working out in the morning. my work schedual changed so that's why I staretd in the morning. I did dumbbell bench press starting at 35 pounds. I did 22 reps for my first set. then used 30 pounds and did 10 reps. my arms are not that developed, I dont know if it's cause I started at 35 pounds when i shouldve started at 20 or 25 cause i didnt work out for a while or if it's cause Im doing weight training on an empty stomach in the morning but i felt weak. The NO explode didnt really do nothing for me. i tested my tolerance when i first bought it with two scoops and i felt energy but this time i didnt feel nothing.

so Tomorrow im gonna try again. maybe I should have breakfast first. what do you guys think??

Drink 3 - 4 scoops of Ultrafuel or carb science both have good mix of carbs for morning workouts,,,,,,,YOU CANT WORKOUT W/O BREAKFAST, now if you are doing cardio then dont eat but lifting you have to eat before and after. For me,,,I am not a morning person and I do cardio before I eat then do a liquid meal then weight train,then a liquid recovery drink. That works for me...yuou have to see what works for u

[melbufrauma]

I love taking NO Xplode, i notice such a huge freakin difference when im on it then when im off, and made huge gains while taking it

should i start taking Nitrix and Cell Mass too? or i guess my question is would it help much? and if so, do i take Nitrix right after NO Xplode pre-workout and Cell Mass within 30 mins of post-workout?

[TxTreb88]

i've only tried NO Xlplode, wasn't impressed by it at all. i have Trac NO Extreme on the way, i'll let ya know what i think of it.

[ccs77]

I love taking NO Xplode, i notice such a huge freakin difference when im on it then when im off, and made huge gains while taking it

should i start taking Nitrix and Cell Mass too? or i guess my question is would it help much? and if so, do i take Nitrix right after NO Xplode pre-workout and Cell Mass within 30 mins of post-workout?

Cell Mass would be a great addition. NO Xplode really doesn't have that much creatine, but with taking the cell mass twice a day plus the maintenance does of creatine in NO Xplode you'd see some good results in 6-8 weeks. Directions on the jug are pretty clear, but yes take cell mass within 30 minutes post workout and before you go to bed.

Again, so people don't think I'm just pimping BSN...I thought Nitrix was the biggest waste of money I've spent on supps, but that doesn't mean it won't work for you.

[Sv87guS]

I just got my two tubs of White Flood, been on it for a week, and i really like it. I was goin to the gym this morning at 5:15 and i was tired and all of a sudden i started air drumming, got my pump and have been having great workouts, i like the pumps so far.

[elhammer]

Ive tried so many pre-wrokout Nitric supplements. Id have to say that NO-Explode put them all on the map. I got by for 2 years cycling on and off that stuff. I have tried a few others including Super Charge by Labrada but what has really been fueling my anabolic workouts has been NaNO Vapor by Muscletech. Anything Muscletech makes is top-notch and I could go on and on about all the ingredients in it but just look for yourself! The stuff is packed full of fuel and will get you jacked!

[Sv87guS]

Ive tried so many pre-wrokout Nitric supplements. Id have to say that NO-Explode put them all on the map. I got by for 2 years cycling on and off that stuff. I have tried a few others including Super Charge by Labrada but what has really been fueling my anabolic workouts has been NaNO Vapor by Muscletech. Anything Muscletech makes is top-notch and I could go on and on about all the ingredients in it but just look for yourself! The stuff is packed full of fuel and will get you jacked!

More isnt always better there buddy.

[ccs77]

but what has really been fueling my anabolic workouts has been NaNO Vapor by Muscletech. Anything Muscletech makes is top-notch and I could go on and on about all the ingredients in it but just look for yourself! The stuff is packed full of fuel and will get you jacked!

The list of ingredients in Nan Vapor is insanely loooong.

[damael25]

What do you think of stacking HGH and IGF-2?


Out of the current products actually available @ bb.com:



MAN Bodyoctane
Diesel Nutrition - NOS Ether (brand new)
NOW Arginine / Ornithine stack
NOW AAKG 3500
Cold Fusion
Universal Animal - Storm (brand new)


I've used (in order of effectiveness, best to worst):



Diesel Nutrition Extreme NOS Precursor
Legal Gear Cold Fusion
Diesel Nutrition NOS XXX
Di-Arginine Malate
Arginine Pyroglutamate
Citrulline Malate Powder
AAKG Pills
Stamino2
L-Arginine powder
L-Citrulline
Male Fuel
Horny Goat Weed


For those of us on a "budget", I recommend the following stack all to be taken pre-workout, cycled, with plenty of water, and when bulking only:



Arginine (or AAKG / Diarginine malate.. etc)
Ornithine (or Ornithine HCL)
1g Vitamin C
Glycerine (dosage based on bodyweight)
Carbs
Creatine / CEE

Optional:
Carnosine (cheap)
Taurine (cheap / effective)
TMG / Betaine (cheap)
Ribose
ALA
NAC

[B1GinNY82307]

naNOx9 by Muscletech by far!

Have used Nitrix and NO2 Black and had the best resuls by far with naNOx9.

Did have a reaction with the 4 pill dosage (like a burning sensation throughout my body) but lowered the dose back to 3 pills and when i take it before i workout, i have experienced the best pumps ever.
Great product. Thus far, i believe the best.

[kinglouis2005]

Overkill?

I recently picked up NanoVapor and taken 3 of the nanox9 preworkout in the am. I HAVE experienced great pumps and feel MUCH fuller.
Perhaps I should just take the NanoVapor preworkout.
Any thoughts?

[tylerdurden06]

Overkill?

I recently picked up NanoVapor and taken 3 of the nanox9 preworkout in the am. I HAVE experienced great pumps and feel MUCH fuller.
Perhaps I should just take the NanoVapor preworkout.
Any thoughts?

Yeah, 20 minutes prior to work time and you'll be blasting them weights up...

[kinglouis2005]

Yeah, 20 minutes prior to work time and you'll be blasting them weights up...

I noticed that yesterday(my 1st day) I dont know if it was placebo but it definately "motivated" me to go heavier. considering I get up at 4:45 am to hit the gym any "edge" I can get is worthwhile. I certainly feel this is an improvement over how i have been feeling/doing recently.

[MattDowdy]

i just got some Xyience NOX-CG3 last friday, this will be my 5th day using it. I like it a lot, i've tried no explode. i feel its better. i just saw MuscleTech NaNO Vapor on bodybuilding.com and its packed with ingredients that get you going, and the NOX-CG3 has no caffine or anything like that, they took everything out. It's just creatine and glutamine.

in your opinion, which is better. muscle tech or the xyience?

[AggieDude06]

i've gone through a bottle of L-arginine straight, helped with working out, and recovery, pumps felt really good, what else is good to take with just the straight Arginine to help it absorb better in the system ?? I'm going to check out some No-Xplode, had a buddy taking it but its giving him some problems so i'm just going to use the rest of his (about 3/4 bottle)

[Bravodor]

Im considering using SuperPump 250 as my first ever workout stimulate. Right now I just take creatine.

Ive read up on it and Im under the impression that it is superior to NO-explode in most peoples opinions.

It is rather expensive though isnt it ? like 45+ bucks on bodybuilding.com.

Is there a reliable source that has it cheaper ?

I found a few sites that had it for 30 bucks, but Im not sure if they are reliable.

Thoughts ?

[pittjoe33]

Im considering using SuperPump 250 as my first ever workout stimulate. Right now I just take creatine.

Ive read up on it and Im under the impression that it is superior to NO-explode in most peoples opinions.

It is rather expensive though isnt it ? like 45+ bucks on bodybuilding.com.

Is there a reliable source that has it cheaper ?

I found a few sites that had it for 30 bucks, but Im not sure if they are reliable.

Thoughts ?

Email or call bb.com and ask if they will price match the other site that you found it cheaper on. Just make sure to have the site name/address handy and the exact price beforehand. I'm not 100% certain but I believe they do price match. Can't hurt. NO-Xplode and SuperPump250 are both good. You'll probably want to use Cellmass if using Xplode and SizeOn if going w/ SuperPump 250 for best results. Also, drink a lot of water throughout the day and follow the instructions exactly. Good luck.

[gdogg75]

I have tried a few others including Super Charge by Labrada but what has really been fueling my anabolic workouts has been NaNO Vapor by Muscletech. Anything Muscletech makes is top-notch and I could go on and on about all the ingredients in it but just look for yourself! The stuff is packed full of fuel and will get you jacked!
yes it did get me jacked... on the toilet as well... for some reason my stomach had WWIII going on when i was on that stuff
i like the list of ingredients though

[ccs77]

Im considering using SuperPump 250 as my first ever workout stimulate. Right now I just take creatine.

Ive read up on it and Im under the impression that it is superior to NO-explode in most peoples opinions.

It is rather expensive though isnt it ? like 45+ bucks on bodybuilding.com.

Is there a reliable source that has it cheaper ?

I found a few sites that had it for 30 bucks, but Im not sure if they are reliable.

Thoughts ?

You might find it cheaper by a few bucks, but why not support the site? Thier shipping is FAST and prices are real close to the best you'll find.

[Bravodor]

You might find it cheaper by a few bucks, but why not support the site? Thier shipping is FAST and prices are real close to the best you'll find.

True enough.


I have bought everything so far from BB just because I trust the site, and their prices are low.

After posting my last comment I went ahead and ordered some with my cytogainer.

If Im buying one thing I might here I might as well buy both.

[stevothedevo]

[QUOTE=gdogg75;79596853]yes it did get me jacked... on the toilet as well... for some reason my stomach had WWIII going on when i was on that stuff
i like the list of ingredients though[/QUOTE

Thanks for yet another source confirming the real science and experience of NO products:


Low doses .....have been associated with gastric upset when consumed orally. This dose has no significant effect on glycogen storage, even if it didn't cause diarrhea.

? Time release arginine is supposed to lead to a "perpetual pump" effect. New studies have shown this not to be the case.

? NO2 was shown to have no effect compared to a placebo on body composition or muscle strength.

Cheers!

[nacoo]

whats a better product to use with quick results
1 Nitrix
or
2 superpump 250
or
3 NO Xplode

I'm thinking superpump?
any suggestions?

[ccs77]

whats a better product to use with quick results
1 Nitrix
or
2 superpump 250
or
3 NO Xplode

I'm thinking superpump?
any suggestions?

Test E...jk

[pittjoe33]

whats a better product to use with quick results
1 Nitrix
or
2 superpump 250
or
3 NO Xplode

I'm thinking superpump?
any suggestions?

Can't go wrong with SuperPump 250 or NO Xplode. But you'll need Cellmass or Sizeon to go with it. The two NO products will give you energy and focus from the stimulants and give you a pump in the gym. Sizeon and Cellmass have the creatines that will fill the muscles and help get you some size and recovery.

[nacoo]

I also have about 30 pills of 17hd.
superpump with size on or
super pump with cellmass

[pittjoe33]

I also have about 30 pills of 17hd.
superpump with size on or
super pump with cellmass

Either works, but if going SuperPump, I'd go with sizeOn.

[jbowman]

I have tried 3 NO products and I will post my encounter with each!

MRI's No2- This promising results in the 7 days and the 21 day experience. When I first decided to make the decision to get the boost with NO I decided to use Apex which was just a creatine and still is....I was told by many bodybuilders to try MRI's No2. I did see noticeable results in the first 4 days and I was amazed with the swelling my arms and legs were producing. Although I speak only of personal experience, I was just a beginner so I think it just hit me fast because my body was new to it! I did gain in muscle mass and wanted more results. So I bought another and kept building more weight. After my cycle was over I decided to cycle off because I couldn't keep up with the bills and bodybuilding so I basically stopped for about 11 months.

NO Explode- I really enjoyed taking the product at first and noticed that I was staying up way past my usual bed time so I decided to really review the product and I found out that it contained a lot of caffeine. I didn't really get much results, other than feeling pumped and ready to work at the gym but nothing muscle wise....

currently taking-
NaNO Vapor from Team Muscle Tech- By far this product has been it and I don't even have to take 2 scoops of it because it's so powerful with just one! I use two on the heavy days and one on regular building days. Just be sure to buy some glutamine to get out of the soreness.

[yingying]

hehe

[stevothedevo]

I have tried 3 NO products and I will post my encounter with each!

MRI's No2- This promising results in the 7 days and the 21 day experience. When I first decided to make the decision to get the boost with NO I decided to use Apex which was just a creatine and still is....I was told by many bodybuilders to try MRI's No2. I did see noticeable results in the first 4 days and I was amazed with the swelling my arms and legs were producing. Although I speak only of personal experience, I was just a beginner so I think it just hit me fast because my body was new to it! I did gain in muscle mass and wanted more results. So I bought another and kept building more weight. After my cycle was over I decided to cycle off because I couldn't keep up with the bills and bodybuilding so I basically stopped for about 11 months.

NO Explode- I really enjoyed taking the product at first and noticed that I was staying up way past my usual bed time so I decided to really review the product and I found out that it contained a lot of caffeine. I didn't really get much results, other than feeling pumped and ready to work at the gym but nothing muscle wise....

currently taking-
NaNO Vapor from Team Muscle Tech- By far this product has been it and I don't even have to take 2 scoops of it because it's so powerful with just one! I use two on the heavy days and one on regular building days. Just be sure to buy some glutamine to get out of the soreness.


lmfao!!

How many ways is this the worst, most absurd post ever.........I haven't had such a good laugh in ages.

[stevothedevo]

I have also received a PM from a person who needed hormone therapy to get their test levels back to normal after taking a very popular NO product.
This REAL anecdote is supportive of the literature that shows that NO can LOWER test levels....

[kinglouis2005]

I have also received a PM from a person who needed hormone therapy to get their test levels back to normal after taking a very popular NO product.
This REAL anecdote is supportive of the literature that shows that NO can LOWER test levels....

Very interesting. I understand there is literature out there and I will conede that only only started this week taking Nano Vapor.
that being the case here are the results so far:
Weight gain (prolly water) of about 3lbs. stronger in most lifts, waist size (measure around the navel) the same as last week/same time.
Certainly there can be a placebo effect and to be honest I was looking for something to give me a boost prior to my workouts.
I get up at 4:45 am during the week to hit the gym and frankly most of the time I was very lethargic during my workouts. That has not been the case this week. In fact today I found myself quite "pissed off" at the weights.
I keep a journal at the 35 and over section and I log my routines. My diet during the week practically never changes but the weekends I am a vodka/red bull guy. That has been the same all along however.
Incidentally I have an appointment on Firday to get bloodwork done and I did ask them to test for my hormone levels due to how I was feeling PRIOR to taking Nano Vapor.

Since I do keep a pretty thorough log I will know relatively soon if I go backwards.

For now I am experiencing greater pumps and motivation during my workouts and perhaps through placebo, higher weights/reps on my lifts.

[psych]

I have also received a PM from a person who needed hormone therapy to get their test levels back to normal after taking a very popular NO product.
This REAL anecdote is supportive of the literature that shows that NO can LOWER test levels....

lets see it

[stevothedevo]

lets see it

I won't without the authors express permission - which I have asked for and am awaiting a reply.

In my shoes I'd like to assume you would do the same...

[stevothedevo]

Very interesting. I understand there is literature out there and I will conede that only only started this week taking Nano Vapor.
that being the case here are the results so far:
Weight gain (prolly water) of about 3lbs. stronger in most lifts, waist size (measure around the navel) the same as last week/same time.
Certainly there can be a placebo effect and to be honest I was looking for something to give me a boost prior to my workouts.
I get up at 4:45 am during the week to hit the gym and frankly most of the time I was very lethargic during my workouts. That has not been the case this week. In fact today I found myself quite "pissed off" at the weights.
I keep a journal at the 35 and over section and I log my routines. My diet during the week practically never changes but the weekends I am a vodka/red bull guy. That has been the same all along however.
Incidentally I have an appointment on Firday to get bloodwork done and I did ask them to test for my hormone levels due to how I was feeling PRIOR to taking Nano Vapor.

Since I do keep a pretty thorough log I will know relatively soon if I go backwards.

For now I am experiencing greater pumps and motivation during my workouts and perhaps through placebo, higher weights/reps on my lifts.

This has to be the most impressively honest post seen here in a while IMHO.

The results of the blood panels I'm hoping you will post.

[kinglouis2005]

This has to be the most impressively honest post seen here in a while IMHO.

The results of the blood panels I'm hoping you will post.

Yep, I dont want to spend $60 on something if its crap. So as I continue my log and record my personal weight as well as my lifts and keep track of my waist I can determine if it helped or not.
Quite frankly it is less important to me if some magic formula helped or if I psyched myself into "thinking" it helped. If the results are positive I WOULD keep using it. If the results are the same or worse then i would stop and save myself the $$$$.
:)
Also I have no reason to fib. Unlike many of us trying to get in shape I had been sticking to 3 supps: A multivitamin, protein powder and fish oil tablets. Cheap and helpful!
I have been on a calorie resricted diet and for me it has worked well, I put on a little lean mass and lost at least 11% bf actually more since my waist is smaller now than it was in august. Incidentally I use the navy method of bf% calcualtion which is the least forgiving of the calculators I have discovered. Using the YMCA method and the same measurments I am roughly 1-2% less in bf, but its just a guide much as the scale/tape measure/mirror are.

Anyway I will post the test results but more than likely in my journal.

[fireman+scott]

I'm diggin superpump250,this stuff works! after 1st workout had a great pump.This is my third week on it and my weight and #of reps have improved greatly. I know everybody talks about the stomach problems, haven't had any.i eat a small bite before i use it no problems so far. I'm using this product from now on.

[Rhynosaurus]

I'm about at the end of a jug of Superpump and it stills gives me stomach problems/diarrhea. I thought my body might have just been adjusting at first, but it still occurs. Not using this anymore.

[AggieDude06]

Well i posted a few days back im going to try no-xplode and today was my first try, I only took one scoop, it got the job done, but my friend said it gave him the jitters, maybe it wasn't as potent for me that way because of all the energy drinks im used to =\. Took it 45mins prior to working out, did a heavy weights, low reps, felt really good through the entire workout, i felt more of a pump than the straight L-Arginine and consistent energy. Most all my lifts were around 5lbs - 10lbs stronger (prolly cuz I lowered my reps some) Towards the end did feel a little nausated, nothing serious or really convincing i had to throw up or anything, but it was there. Finished with an ab circuit. Felt good so throughly good impressions. I'm taking this product not expecting to be the answer to muscle gains, but taking it rather for the pump and the energy during workouts, thus helping build muscle in the long run from more energetic and workouts (plus the motiviation from the pumps :) ) make sense ?? hah

PS- yes its quite expensive though i got half a bottle from my buddy for 15 bucks, but if you can get away with one scoop a day its prolly worth it with 40 servings, but more than that and its going to add up

[Funk5keencc]

In order of Fav to worst

1) VPX No-Xplode
2) Gaspari nutrition- even though i always had to hit the crapper right after workout.
3) MHP Trac NO
4) BSN no xplode

thats all ive used

[pandass111]

I used one of MRM's fat loss supplements a few years back and although it did the job, it made me rather short fused( if you know what I mean).
I am thinking of buying some BSN NO-Xplode and with the job I am in just now I cannot afford for this to happen again, so can anybody tell me if NO-Xplode is a safe bet?

[40-Yard Dash_2]

In order of Fav to worst

1) VPX No-Xplode
2) Gaspari nutrition- even though i always had to hit the crapper right after workout.
3) MHP Trac NO
4) BSN no xplode

thats all ive used

You should consider giving NO Limits a shot in order to compare it to those you have listed. I'm sure you won't be disappointed.

[merkutio69]

ordered this off bb a few months back. have used it here and there for weight training and for basketball. it is pretty insane for energy / vascularity / increased lifts. i felt it kicks in within 10-15 mins after taking it and you are immediately bouncing off the walls. the taste was horrid at first, but gradually got used to it. i can take it straight with water or tea now.

i can only compare this with cold fusion before which is pretty weak, but it tasted good. i might order more white flood when i run out, unless something more revolutionary comes out in the meantime at an affordable price. no-shotgun v2 seems like a candidate.

[TxTreb88]

i've tried NO Extreme from MHP and NO Xplode from BSN. i haven't noticed much of an energy boost or pump from either one. did feel more focused from both though. seems like NO Xplode works a little better. are these NO supplements legit or a gimmic?

[Pure-Natural]

White Blood
No Xplode
Shock Therapy
Vaso XP
Super Pump 250

[cptdgraham]

I have done bsn's products several times and as far as a strickly NO product goes their nitrix is designed to engage the NO levels much more than the xplode. the xplode is designed for some NO, some creatine, and some energy. If you really are looking for strickly NO the nitrix is the way to go...and it works great. My friend swears by the NO shotgun, so im giving that a try as soon as my xplode is gone.

[cptdgraham]

i just got some Xyience NOX-CG3 last friday, this will be my 5th day using it. I like it a lot, i've tried no explode. i feel its better. i just saw MuscleTech NaNO Vapor on bodybuilding.com and its packed with ingredients that get you going, and the NOX-CG3 has no caffine or anything like that, they took everything out. It's just creatine and glutamine.

in your opinion, which is better. muscle tech or the xyience?

i've taken that...it was pretty good, but i think that you can get stuff just as good, if not better, for a lot less money.

[Ry Masta Flex]

ive taken xyience as well as NO Xplode both gave similar results xyience just cost a hell of a lot more lol

[HulkSm4sh]

I've tried NO Xplode, WTF Pump, White Flood with Purple Wraath, Super Pump 250, NanoVapor. Though the taste of NO Shotgun was that of rotten pears, I've never felt a pump like that before. The No Xplode, Nano Vapor, and Super Pump gave me a good rush for a while but it tapered off, and didn't really give me much of a pump. The Shotgun eventually tapered off, much later, but still give amazing pump....and tastes absolutely horrible....but worth it. The WF/PW I will never take ever again. The only explosion came from my colon. I started out low dose, and worked up. 2 weeks straight of unwilling stomach aches and colon evacuations made me give it away. My buddy felt the same thing and gave it away. The guy he gave it to loves it and feels fine....go figure. My local store discounted NO Shotgun to 20 bucks a tub because no one will buy it....the taste I hear. Lucky me, I shoot it down with some powerade, or bite a lemon. I'm now the proud owner of 3 tubs of it, all I paid was 60 bucks for all of them....sweet sweet. I'm not attempting to knock any product. The CL products were amazingly cheap and work great for my friend's friend. The NO Shotgun is awesome though, I just wish it didn't taste so bad, then again after you bite a lemon, it tastes fairly bland.

[dannov]

AKG Nitric Stack is great. NutraBio.com--been on NOXplode, was giving me the ****s mid-workout I figure from the other additives so I opted to check out the pure stuff. Tastes like strong lemon water when mixed, but gives me some good pumps and, lo and behold, no ****s. Also get a ton more value for the dollar.

[physicsman]

I've been using BSN NO-Xplode for about 4 months, not including the recommended 1 month off cycle. When I FIRST tried BSN NO-Xplode my energy and lift were at animal levels (ie. my best lift day plus 5-10%). This however wained after the first week when my body adjusted to the product. What it does now is wake my ass up if I'm feeling sluggish and maintains my creatine levels. I don't have the awesome pump that I got at first (that still depends on diet, sleep, and time of day) but I don't have really bad days anymore and on a whole my average workout is better then before I was taking the supplement.

[obk]

Started reading the thread and there are just too many replys, would have been better if someone did a poll, that way we could have seen the results.

I am stuck between No Explode, Superpump and Nano Vapour as my first to buy. They all seem about a similar price so I guess that I will just choose one and then work my way through them.

think that I will start with the no explode.

[Dahoffmann]

dont get nano vapor it tastes like **** AND does not work at all for me.

i like no xplode, but i am looking for something around the same price with a little more

[Iron Barbarian]

I like NO Xplode. I have been using it for a while and always get a good pump. I usually pick it up off of Ebay from one of the supplement sellers for around $26 or $27 dollars. The only thing is make sure they have the expiration dates in their description. There are some unscrupulous sellers out there.

[BillyMarks]

I started using naNO Vapor, but someone told me, BSN NO XPLODE worked better. I exchanged the Vapor for the Xplode, man was that a bad choice, the Vapor out weighed the Xplode, in every area, pumps, strength, and endurance(if the vapor was a 10/10 the BSN Xplode felt like a 4/10)...I cant wait to finish the Xplode ,so I can buy the Vapor again, and go rip it up at the gym!!!

[CONTROLLED LABS]

ordered this off bb a few months back. have used it here and there for weight training and for basketball. it is pretty insane for energy / vascularity / increased lifts. i felt it kicks in within 10-15 mins after taking it and you are immediately bouncing off the walls. the taste was horrid at first, but gradually got used to it. i can take it straight with water or tea now.

i can only compare this with cold fusion before which is pretty weak, but it tasted good. i might order more white flood when i run out, unless something more revolutionary comes out in the meantime at an affordable price. no-shotgun v2 seems like a candidate.
sounds good. the white flood ver 2 (610 grams) is out now and there is no more clumping and it tastes much better :)

White Blood

cant beat it for stim free NO in a pill :)

[mauitang]

I LOVE BSN NO-Xplode AND CELLMASS, I BEEN USED FOR 2 MONTHS, AND IT WORKS VERY GOOD FOR ME, HOPE THE SAME FOR YOU GUYS!

[MattyJ85]

Hey guys,

Just got back from the gym - first time trying Gaspari Nutrition Superpump250. Not a bad product at all - had plenty of focus going on, good pump and plenty of energy. It wasn't as instant as NO XPLODE, it was much more even over the whole workout. It did make my stomach a bit upset for the first 10-15 mins after taking it (something BSN NO-XPLODE didnt do), but i felt a little sick before taking it so its hard to say. Didn't end up on the toilet or anything but it was a little discomforting for a short period of time (very minor though). Can't give it a proper review yet because i have only used it the one time.

[PhysMastr]

I have used Amped, NO Xplode and Nano-Vapor; all good in their own way, but I found a product called X-fuel that has more Tribulus than caffeine in it. I felt more aggressive rather than wired, not to mention awesome pump! It also seems to be a bit cheaper.

[gdogg75]

I like NO Xplode. I have been using it for a while and always get a good pump. I usually pick it up off of Ebay from one of the supplement sellers for around $26 or $27 dollars. The only thing is make sure they have the expiration dates in their description. There are some unscrupulous sellers out there.
why would you want to take a chance like that? save a few bucks and possibly deal with a shady seller... the bb.com store has some great deals(usually cheaper than most) and is not shady-

as for the subject at hand... i actually might try the new flavors of nano... just to see what they taste like(maybe i wont get volcanic eruptions on the toilet)

[uhockey]

You should consider giving NO Limits a shot in order to compare it to those you have listed. I'm sure you won't be disappointed.

NO-Limits

To Buy: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/design/no.html

The writeup: http://www.designersupps.com/product_writeups/nolimits.pdf

The FAQ: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1585641

The Logs:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2234361
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2234471
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2041991
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2056601
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2146351
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2047931
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2097831
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2105761
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1809531
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2087001
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2065331
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1905951
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2089911
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2054911
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2117311

[hugefreak]

Fizogen's Blitz cycle, that stuff gave me the best results out of all the no products, and i've tryed alot, I use to manage a GNC. To me its a must have come time for my next mass builder, I had more energy, more pump, mor motovation.

[leoric45]

The only brand I have ever tried was BSN NO-Xplode. It definitely did what it was suppose to do. But, unfortunately it was way to rough on my stomach. Had to give it up.

[Jon14325]

No Shotgun

[Colossal Spoons]

^Wish it were marketed better. I never sell any at work

[pittjoe33]

^Wish it were marketed better. I never sell any at work

Where do you work? GNC? It's probably the prices. It's much cheaper online, or at local vitamin shops if they carry it.

[ZDub212]

My favorites:

Primaforce Primal N20 (Excellence)
Universal Shock Therapy (WOW)
Labrada Super Charge (Huge energy surge)

[Fitsho]

^Wish it were marketed better. I never sell any at work

aren't you the "sales" person?!?! Isn't it your responsibility to sell the product?! Obviously this is a reflection of your selling abilities

[JFong87]

I've taken NaNO vapor, NO explode, NO shotgun, superpump 250, Nitrix, and both the MRI NO2 and NO2 black. In my opinion NO2 black was the best product I've used. However, it didnt give me the energy rush that some people look for in a NO product.

[pittjoe33]

aren't you the "sales" person?!?! Isn't it your responsibility to sell the product?! Obviously this is a reflection of your selling abilities

Quick question for you. I know a lot of people like RedLine and a new stronger version is coming out. I hated the taste of NO-Shotgun that was first released. I tried the newer version and the taste was tolerable. I liked the pump and workouts that I got, but don't like the way that RedLine makes me feel. Does it contain Synephrine? I've used stimulants with caffeine and ephedrine with no problems. I've had problems with synephrine containing products though. Is there a stimulant-free or redline-free version of NO-Xplode? Thanks.

[ahintzma]

I've used NO-Xplode, SuperCharge, and NaNO Vapor. The one of these three that I prefer is SuperCharge. I find NO-Xplode to be... almost carbonated and it made me gassy (REALLY bad when you're doing crunches in a gym full of ladies... AH!). I did like NaNO Vapor, but the scoops are huge and it seems to take 3 scoops to do the same as what SuperCharge does in two very much smaller scoops. My money goes to Labrada and their SuperCharge. Also, SuperCharge and NaNO Vapor mix much more easily than NO-Xplode.

[jamezgt]

I've used NO-Xplode, and I switched over to NO-Shotgun. NO-Shotgun is awesome, best overall NO product I've tried so far. Great pumps, focus, and strength.

[pittjoe33]

I've used NO-Xplode, and I switched over to NO-Shotgun. NO-Shotgun is awesome, best overall NO product I've tried so far. Great pumps, focus, and strength.

Unless you prefer a non-stimulant NO product, I don't think that you can go wrong with NO-Xplode, NO-Shotgun or SuperPump 250. I'm looking forward to trying Gaspari's PlasmaJet, coming out within the next few months.

[Thug9]

eating a good meal 2 hours before your workout and not eating immediately before is what gives you good pumps. N.O. products don't do anything.

your body probably wasnt made for it if you tried it.

[mark118]

AE2 by nutrabolics worked well for me

[7digits]

so far i like Animal Pump. i could drink superpump 250 and go straight to bed. NO xplode wore of in about 2 weeks. no shotgun just sucked ass. no wonder the flavor isn't printed on the lable.

[XMS]

Currently trying out Nano Vapor. Before that, Labrada Super Charge.

Once I get rid of the Vapor, I'm sticking with Super Charge

[Raven1466]

VPX NO Shotgun all the way.

Reason:
I just recently switched back to using supplements while I lift due to the lack of a pump generated throughout my workouts over the span of approx. a year. I guess I was just into a routine and was only concerned about maintaining the muscle mass I already have, which I did amazingly. I was also more focused on the cardio side of the house as this is more important for me to maintain due to my profession when it comes to promotion testing, etc. (military). After using Shotgun for the first time (last week), I had the most intense, focused, workout I have had in about a year no joke. It literally did for ME everything that the manufacturer claims it will do. The pump was great, however, I value the focus and intensity I was able to generate while hitting the weights as the greatest benefit IMHO. My ability to create the mind-muscle connection during every rep and set was outstanding, and I also noticed that I did not want to leave the gym after my normal workout was completed. I had to force myself to leave so I did not fall into the overtraining trap like I use to in the past when I was younger and less experienced. Also, I reccomend you purchase a decent post- workout recovery formula to take immediately following your workout while taking Shotgun because you will without a doubt need it. After my first workout with Shotgun, I was sore as hell for about 3 days after. The reason I have full faith in this product as a pre-workout supplement is because I didn't do anything different in my workout than I have for the past year. I did the exact same exercises in the exact same order, just with more intensity and focus. I was NEVER sore like that before until now. I get sore after every workout which urged me to purchase Scivation Xtend for the post-workout recovery matrix it includes in its formula and then an hour later, a nitro-tech hardcore shake, and then a high protein meal an hour after that ( I workout at 0730).

Bottom line:
Shotgun works for me and is the #1 staple in my supplement program. Whats the point of lifting weights if you can't hit them hard with 100% intensity and focus every single time?

*Forgot to mention this is also the first NO product I have ever used so I have nothing else to compare it to.


Side note:
Kind of off subject, but, I am new to the forums and have noticed that many a people dislike Muscletech products and their advertising claims. I have been in the military for 10 years now and have deployed "down range" to middle east locations several times. Our military store called AAFES (Army Air Force Exchange Services) carries almost all the muscletech brands and keeps them stocked at most deployed locations. I have seen countless physiques become incredibly transformed within a 3-4 month deployment just from using Muscletech products while deployed. Now granted, most distractions are eliminated while deployed because you cannot drink (at some locations) and all you can do is eat, sleep, sh*t, work, and go to the gym. But regardless, they do work as I have seen it for my own eyes on numerous occasions. Some people come back from a deployment and their own wives dont even recognize them! So yes, I am a firm supporter of Muscletech products.

[gdogg75]

Side note:
Kind of off subject, but, I am new to the forums and have noticed that many a people dislike Muscletech products and their advertising claims. I have been in the military for 10 years now and have deployed "down range" to middle east locations several times. Our military store called AAFES (Army Air Force Exchange Services) carries almost all the muscletech brands and keeps them stocked at most deployed locations. I have seen countless physiques become incredibly transformed within a 3-4 month deployment just from using Muscletech products while deployed. Now granted, most distractions are eliminated while deployed because you cannot drink (at some locations) and all you can do is eat, sleep, sh*t, work, and go to the gym. But regardless, they do work as I have seen it for my own eyes on numerous occasions. Some people come back from a deployment and their own wives dont even recognize them! So yes, I am a firm supporter of Muscletech products.

i am such a sucker for their "marketing" ... ;)
plus they came out with some new flavors... i just picked up orange haze... decent flavor... i swore that i was getting off NO2 products... but this time around i guess i'll treat the stuff like a plain ol beverage(i know not the most economical/wise thing to do) but after looking at their creatine ingredients... i figure i might be able to stomach this stuff... who knows... maybe i'll do a review soon.

[mfcplflo]

Ive tried several NO products, Nano Vapor, No Xplode, NO Shotgun, SuperPump 250 and for me NO Shotgun worked the best.

[Raven1466]

i am such a sucker for their "marketing" ... ;)
plus they came out with some new flavors... i just picked up orange haze... decent flavor... i swore that i was getting off NO2 products... but this time around i guess i'll treat the stuff like a plain ol beverage(i know not the most economical/wise thing to do) but after looking at their creatine ingredients... i figure i might be able to stomach this stuff... who knows... maybe i'll do a review soon.

Don't quote me on this, but I heard that Muscletech has the largest R&D budget in the business so I would not be surprised if all their claims are true as they say. But yes, the market extremely well as I have also been a fan for a long time now.

Wish I were still stationed in Hawaii; I use to live down the road from the stadium in Salt Lake for 4 years. Loved that place and the peeps!

[obk]

Have just bought Nano Vapour, hopefully it will be here for my workout on thursday and I will report back on how I get on. If not my next workout day is sunday so I will report back then.

Cant wait to try it out.

[Thug9]

VPX NO Shotgun all the way.

Reason:
I just recently switched back to using supplements while I lift due to the lack of a pump generated throughout my workouts over the span of approx. a year. I guess I was just into a routine and was only concerned about maintaining the muscle mass I already have, which I did amazingly. I was also more focused on the cardio side of the house as this is more important for me to maintain due to my profession when it comes to promotion testing, etc. (military). After using Shotgun for the first time (last week), I had the most intense, focused, workout I have had in about a year no joke. It literally did for ME everything that the manufacturer claims it will do. The pump was great, however, I value the focus and intensity I was able to generate while hitting the weights as the greatest benefit IMHO. My ability to create the mind-muscle connection during every rep and set was outstanding, and I also noticed that I did not want to leave the gym after my normal workout was completed. I had to force myself to leave so I did not fall into the overtraining trap like I use to in the past when I was younger and less experienced. Also, I reccomend you purchase a decent post- workout recovery formula to take immediately following your workout while taking Shotgun because you will without a doubt need it. After my first workout with Shotgun, I was sore as hell for about 3 days after. The reason I have full faith in this product as a pre-workout supplement is because I didn't do anything different in my workout than I have for the past year. I did the exact same exercises in the exact same order, just with more intensity and focus. I was NEVER sore like that before until now. I get sore after every workout which urged me to purchase Scivation Xtend for the post-workout recovery matrix it includes in its formula and then an hour later, a nitro-tech hardcore shake, and then a high protein meal an hour after that ( I workout at 0730).

Bottom line:
Shotgun works for me and is the #1 staple in my supplement program. Whats the point of lifting weights if you can't hit them hard with 100% intensity and focus every single time?

*Forgot to mention this is also the first NO product I have ever used so I have nothing else to compare it to.


Side note:
Kind of off subject, but, I am new to the forums and have noticed that many a people dislike Muscletech products and their advertising claims. I have been in the military for 10 years now and have deployed "down range" to middle east locations several times. Our military store called AAFES (Army Air Force Exchange Services) carries almost all the muscletech brands and keeps them stocked at most deployed locations. I have seen countless physiques become incredibly transformed within a 3-4 month deployment just from using Muscletech products while deployed. Now granted, most distractions are eliminated while deployed because you cannot drink (at some locations) and all you can do is eat, sleep, sh*t, work, and go to the gym. But regardless, they do work as I have seen it for my own eyes on numerous occasions. Some people come back from a deployment and their own wives dont even recognize them! So yes, I am a firm supporter of Muscletech products.



thanx for the nice feedback. this is one of the products that i have to try (also animal pump). the reason muscle tech gets such a bad rap is cuz they are so overpriced i think. keep doing your thing and thanx for serving this country!!

[micdaddy]

NoXplode definitely aids to an intense workout. I'm addicted. But I also admit that it's probably the caffeine (I think it's 600mg if you take 3 scoops as recommended). So I can't really argue with those that say NO supplements do nothing... but if nothing else the caffeine + placebo effect will get you going.

[q-theman]

I have taken shock therapy, superpump 250, no-xplode (original formula), white flood, and no-shotgun.

Best one for me was no-shotgun (can't beat the xtras that is in the formula), followed closely by white flood.

Going to try n.o.-limits next.

Just my $0.02

[papaphillipe]

Whats a good product that will get you in the mood to work out?

[40-Yard Dash_2]

Going to try n.o.-limits next.



Be sure to post your feedback.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I have taken shock therapy, superpump 250, no-xplode (original formula), white flood, and no-shotgun.

Best one for me was no-shotgun (can't beat the xtras that is in the formula), followed closely by white flood.

Going to try n.o.-limits next.

Just my $0.02

glad to hear it, taking cost per serving into effect, which would be your top choice.

[TxTreb88]

glad to hear it, taking cost per serving into effect, which would be your top choice.

just curious, are there any samples of WF? i've tried a couple different NO products and haven't felt much if any effects from them. i've heard a lot of good thing about Controlled Lab products and am going to try a stack of GlcyerGrow, PW and GM. was thinking about trying WF, but don't want to buy something that might not work for me.

[q-theman]

glad to hear it, taking cost per serving into effect, which would be your top choice.

Yeah thats what makes it a very close second. When I Stack it with glycergrow its the best.

[bigreezey]

oh sheit son you just owned the MF above you on NO subject how fckin funny is that......

looks like i've missed the drama on this one -

no1: my brother who has just turned 30 used this account originally and made the post. he still stands by these claims

no2: shock therapy is a cheap supplement which contains a large amount of caffeine, vitamin c, l-taurine, b6/12 NAC, antioxidents, etc. we still stand by the belief that these products do not increase vascularity, pumps and the other BS claims which are behind NO products. just a good pre-workout formula

thanks

[jocktheglide]

looks like i've missed the drama on this one -

no1: my brother who has just turned 30 used this account originally and made the post. he still stands by these claims

no2: shock therapy is a cheap supplement which contains a large amount of caffeine, vitamin c, l-taurine, b6/12 NAC, antioxidents, etc. we still stand by the belief that these products do not increase vascularity, pumps and the other BS claims which are behind NO products. just a good pre-workout formula

thanks

I see thanks for clarification...

[Wild-N-Sick]

I've tried NO-Xplode and NaNO Vapor, and out of the two I've found I like using NaNO better. Xplode wore off me quick within the first couple of weeks; after I'm done with Vapor I'm going to try SuperCharge, though.

[JoeBro]

ive tried a bunch and here's how i liked them

1-Nitrobolic Extreme: tasted good; good pump and focus that i never got used to, but it made my spit taste like lemonade.

2- superpump 250 good taste, fairly good pump, gave me the ****s

3- No-Xplode: great first resluts but i got used to it in a week. good flavor

4-Nano Vapor: tasted like balls, both flavors. didnt do anthing. waste of money.

5- NaNoX9: gave me some giant veins but that's it. gave both my buddies a rash.

all in all no explode had the best first results but it didnt last. the nitrobolic was over all the best.

[tomdphx]

I like it better than NOxplode. Took the NOxplode back to HiHealth. White Flood at Vitamin Shoppe's. White Flood is more 'even'. No big up/down like NOxplode. Haven't tried the others.

[jipibelanger]

I have to say BSN NO-Xplode. This product is awsome. After few minutes after taking it, you will feel the blood rush into your vessels, you will feel ready to hit the playground hardcore. The feeling is just awsome. #1 product

[pittjoe33]

ive tried a bunch and here's how i liked them

1-Nitrobolic Extreme: tasted good; good pump and focus that i never got used to, but it made my spit taste like lemonade.

2- superpump 250 good taste, fairly good pump, gave me the ****s

3- No-Xplode: great first resluts but i got used to it in a week. good flavor

4-Nano Vapor: tasted like balls, both flavors. didnt do anthing. waste of money.

5- NaNoX9: gave me some giant veins but that's it. gave both my buddies a rash.

all in all no explode had the best first results but it didnt last. the nitrobolic was over all the best.

Funny you said that. I hadn't heard that before. I actually had saliva that tasted like a couple of items that I've used. I think that happened with Vasocharge and Extend - Lemonade and Watermellon, whichever I used. When you guys used SuperPump 250 and got the craps, did you get the pain and cramps too, or just had to go a lot? For my last cycle, I used NO-Xplode and CellMass, and stacked that with Six-Star Nitric Oxide pills and Six-Star Professional Strength creatine pills (Walmart). I received a lot of comments from friends and family about how good I looked and that you could really tell that I've been working out. I had seen them all 3 months earlier. I went to my brothers weading out of state and I had just finished using those products for 6 weeks.

[shenanniguns]

I bought some pump tek and it was like 18 servings in a bottle i mean dang this is expensive compared BSN nitrix whitch could be better anyways... muscletek always wants me to spend all my $ they are rip off!

Lol yeah it gets expensive having that team of pro bodybuilders. I love their products but they are so expensive.

[BigJ_0005]

presently combining any pill form AAKG supp. with NO-Explode and getting great results. I will be trying Superpump250 in the near future, but as of now it's NO-Explode.

ive tried no-explode, nano vapor, and vpx's no-shotgun, nano vapor being the runner up to no-shotgun, that product is amazing

[40plus]

Not crazy about the taste, although the blueberry is somewhat tolerable. Tried the product for about 2 months and I guess it's okay if you have money to burn. I found that Vitamin Shoppe's store brand L-Arginine /Ornithine (4 Grams in One Shot around 6 caps) with about 2 cups of coffee on an empty stomach 45 minutes before a workout does a better job. I also have been taking Tribulus along with Chrysin and found that my strength has gone up considerably. I have been working out for roughly 25 years and got into supplementation probably the last 10 years (as I got Old). Of all the crap I have tried (all legal) I have to say that L-Arginine by far has the best results, no stomach cramping and it's affordable. Well that is my 2 cents.

[Ryan314]

ive tried no-explode, nano vapor, and vpx's no-shotgun, nano vapor being the runner up to no-shotgun, that product is amazing

Woot! I'm waiting for my Shotgun to get here! I can't friggen wait.

Stupid NOXplode, waste of money!

[40-Yard Dash_2]

Stupid NOXplode, waste of money!

You guys never learn. :)


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[bigjim2006]

all that i know is no-xplode is the worst one i have ever taken......for it it is a toss up between no shotgun and nanovapor

[brady1717]

animal pak gives a nice even energy boost and not just a spike that makes you start shaking like noxplode

[deserusan]

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The magnesium and sodium bicarbonate levels have been adjusted to solve the GI issue. :)