Best Overall Creatine Product?

[runtowin19]

Hey Guys.. ive been deciding between getting SizeOn powder or Kre-Alkalyn EFX pills. any suggestions or experience with any of these two?

Sizeon for the love of god!

[tl77]

I havent used creatine before and want to get started on it asap. I was wondering if I should go with the mono or Con Cret. I really like what ive heard about con-cret, but as a beginner with creatine just wanted some input

[pittjoe33]

what creatine do you recomend for me to gain muscle? i want to get big but i dont want to be filled with all waterweight, so whats a good creatine you recomend?

thanks

Kre-alkalyn, CEE pills, Con-Cret.

[coachld]

I havent used creatine before and want to get started on it asap. I was wondering if I should go with the mono or Con Cret. I really like what ive heard about con-cret, but as a beginner with creatine just wanted some input

Don't buy into the hype behind some of these creatine products especially if you are a newbie. Go with creatine mono and as you progress, you can experiment with others if you like...but creatine mono is the only creatine with numerous studies supporting its use and effectiveness.

[Marty05]

i think cell mass is best for me. u see results pretty quick with it

[cali87]

Kre-alkalyn, CEE pills, Con-Cret.

i bought kre alkalyn but from what i hear it isnt strong enough and i havent seen much difference. i havent got much bigger or bigger at all.

from what i hear cell mass or NO xplode is what i should get? which is better and whats the difference if you dont mind..

thanks

[pittjoe33]

i bought kre alkalyn but from what i hear it isnt strong enough and i havent seen much difference. i havent got much bigger or bigger at all.

from what i hear cell mass or NO xplode is what i should get? which is better and whats the difference if you dont mind..

thanks

Each person responds differently to each. Are you consuming a lot of water? It is necessary for creatine or Nitric Oxide results. NO-Xplode is an NO product and CellMass is a creatine product. Both are good, xplode has a lot of stimulants in it though. SizeOn by Gaspari is a good creatine as well. Con-Cret conjugated creatine is good but expensive.

[cali87]

so which do you recomend? cell mass? or another
what about the MRM Mono. Creatine thast for 21$ in the BB store or the higher power micro. creatine? how are they. they are cheap so i dont know if they are good. how are those? should i buy one of those or just buy another one that i stated before. i play a lot of soccer so its important for me to take a better one.

thank you

[pittjoe33]

so which do you recomend? cell mass? or another
what about the MRM Mono. Creatine thast for 21$ in the BB store or the higher power micro. creatine? how are they. they are cheap so i dont know if they are good. how are those? should i buy one of those or just buy another one that i stated before. i play a lot of soccer so its important for me to take a better one.

thank you

If you want me to tell you what to get, I will. Doesn't mean it's best for you. Pick up some Gaspari PlasmaJet at GNC, or wait until the end of January and buy it online. Grab some Gaspari SuperPump 250 and SizeOn. Or, BSN NO-Xplode and CellMass.

[BigHock]

CM(monhydrate) is the most studied comound in the bodybuilding community.. Historically is has been proven time and time again to be effective... However.. Effective and Efficent are two diffrent things.. Monohydrate factually is a very good powder.. But as a compound it is unstable.. When this molecule hits water/altered PH controlled enviorment, the conversion starts.. Conversion to creatinine..

That is why you get immediate results.. Puffyness, water gains,, ****s etc. Those are all side effects.. Water retention does not convert to muscle gains.. Your muscles are expanded with excess fluid and that is generally the reason you loose most of your gains when you stop taking CM. Conversion (historically) is 50-70% into creatinine.. Hinch you take 10g, and only absorb 3-5g.

Doesnt mean that it is crap.. just means your not absorbing all of it.. Like CEE you loose some as well..

All forms of Creatine start with 2 compounds that make up CM.. Then compaines try to ad a 3rd molecule to help with absorbption. ESTER, Pyrvate, Glucanate.. etc.. Unlike most supplemtns (VIT C, VIT E) this process does not help due to the unstablity of the original molocule..

This is were Kre-Alklyn comes .. All they did is take the original compound CM, and buffer it.. (they won't tell you how, that is their patent..) but it makes is PH stable and more absorbable.. TAKING cm AND MAKING IT STABLE!!!

So.. you don't have to load, cramp, no water rentention etc.. Now you won't see the immediate gains due to the lack of water.. but you won't actually loose your gains.. it also makes it easier to cut fat or gain size depending on your nutrition.... 1g = about 10 g of regular CM... But with KA you have only a few formulas with added Arginine or caffine for the extras that you get with super pump, NO explode, Shotgun etc. you don't need energy to gain muscle you need quality nutirents.

You cannot buy muscles in a can for 20 bucks,, but then again you can't buy woop ass in a can for 20 bucks either... Kre-Alklyn is better... But it also makes people unhappy that they don't get that 7day blow.. Everyone wants 20' arms and they want them by the end of the week.. Be realsistic.. You got to put the work in..

Here are a few products i have found that have done well for some of the guys i have trained.. They are harder to find.. but the basic ingrediants are the same ... Kre-Alklyn, and Arginine Ethyl Ester... (not AAKG)

Bio-rhythm's ---Arnge Krush (high energy)
Cellucor's ---- M5 (hits really hard,, nasty taste)
Axonic Nutrition's ---KO ( capsule KA wit AEE) no energy
NDS---- Pump Fuel...(ruff taste but good pumps)
Atlas Nutrition -----Kre-ex (Good taste, extra glutamine)

These have been top performers for a lot of my guys.. Very much similar but diffrent depending on individual needs..

Stay Strong!!

[pittjoe33]

CM(monhydrate) is the most studied comound in the bodybuilding community.. Historically is has been proven time and time again to be effective... However.. Effective and Efficent are two diffrent things.. Monohydrate factually is a very good powder.. But as a compound it is unstable.. When this molecule hits water/altered PH controlled enviorment, the conversion starts.. Conversion to creatinine..

That is why you get immediate results.. Puffyness, water gains,, ****s etc. Those are all side effects.. Water retention does not convert to muscle gains.. Your muscles are expanded with excess fluid and that is generally the reason you loose most of your gains when you stop taking CM. Conversion (historically) is 50-70% into creatinine.. Hinch you take 10g, and only absorb 3-5g.

Doesnt mean that it is crap.. just means your not absorbing all of it.. Like CEE you loose some as well..

All forms of Creatine start with 2 compounds that make up CM.. Then compaines try to ad a 3rd molecule to help with absorbption. ESTER, Pyrvate, Glucanate.. etc.. Unlike most supplemtns (VIT C, VIT E) this process does not help due to the unstablity of the original molocule..

This is were Kre-Alklyn comes .. All they did is take the original compound CM, and buffer it.. (they won't tell you how, that is their patent..) but it makes is PH stable and more absorbable.. TAKING cm AND MAKING IT STABLE!!!

So.. you don't have to load, cramp, no water rentention etc.. Now you won't see the immediate gains due to the lack of water.. but you won't actually loose your gains.. it also makes it easier to cut fat or gain size depending on your nutrition.... 1g = about 10 g of regular CM... But with KA you have only a few formulas with added Arginine or caffine for the extras that you get with super pump, NO explode, Shotgun etc. you don't need energy to gain muscle you need quality nutirents.

You cannot buy muscles in a can for 20 bucks,, but then again you can't buy woop ass in a can for 20 bucks either... Kre-Alklyn is better... But it also makes people unhappy that they don't get that 7day blow.. Everyone wants 20' arms and they want them by the end of the week.. Be realsistic.. You got to put the work in..

Here are a few products i have found that have done well for some of the guys i have trained.. They are harder to find.. but the basic ingrediants are the same ... Kre-Alklyn, and Arginine Ethyl Ester... (not AAKG)

Bio-rhythm's ---Arnge Krush (high energy)
Cellucor's ---- M5 (hits really hard,, nasty taste)
Axonic Nutrition's ---KO ( capsule KA wit AEE) no energy
NDS---- Pump Fuel...(ruff taste but good pumps)
Atlas Nutrition -----Kre-ex (Good taste, extra glutamine)

These have been top performers for a lot of my guys.. Very much similar but diffrent depending on individual needs..

Stay Strong!!

You sound like you know your stuff. I have a question maybe you can answer. I've wanted to put together a home recipe tailored for me, but am unsure of the ratio for each ingredient for effectiveness. I was thinking Kre-Alkalyn, ribose, glutamine, Arginine Ethyl Ester, citrilline malate, maltodextrin or dextrose, caffeiene anhydrous and a digestive enzyme. Any suggestions on the ingredients or ratios?

[Tacoma728]

i was a believer in Champion Nutrition's Creatine Xtreme. The only downfall that i noticed that one container was good for only ten servings. Fairly cheap and very efficient.

[cali87]

If you want me to tell you what to get, I will. Doesn't mean it's best for you. Pick up some Gaspari PlasmaJet at GNC, or wait until the end of January and buy it online. Grab some Gaspari SuperPump 250 and SizeOn. Or, BSN NO-Xplode and CellMass.

thanks, so i should buy 2 to get better results right?

i think ill get super pump and size on

what is super pump exactly, i just read about it. Is it like an NO product? and the size on is the creatine.
do you also recomend to for me to buy glutamine as well oris there enough in these supplements?

[smitsky]

thanks, so i should buy 2 to get better results right?

i think ill get super pump and size on

what is super pump exactly, i just read about it. Is it like an NO product? and the size on is the creatine.
do you also recomend to for me to buy glutamine as well oris there enough in these supplements?

Superpump250 is a good pre-workout product. I've used it and I like it.

I'm currently using Ragnorok pre-workout, and I like it a lot!.

Ragnarok: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ms/rag.html

[smitsky]

...
do you also recomend to for me to buy glutamine as well...

I would go with extra Leucine: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/lleucine.html

[cali87]

and what about post work out, is it beneficial to take something after the work out?

[smitsky]

and what about post work out, is it beneficial to take something after the work out?

Yes!

Pre and post-workout nutrition and supplementation is very important!

The best post-workout product I know of is one that I use: Torrent by Universal Nutrition.

Torrent: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/torr.html

[smitsky]

If you had to pick just ONE creatine product, what would be the best one for the best results?

Please pick a product and include the brand. Give your reasons. The best answers will be displayed on the main Bodybuilding.com site for millions of people to see!

(Note: This is not a discussion about how or when to take creatine, if creatine works, or why some creatines do not work. Just list your absolute favorite creatine product and give your detailed reason.)

Creapure Creatine Monohydrate

I use these brands:

Optimum Creatine Powder: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/crea.html

Prolab Creatine: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/pl/creatine.html

It works, and it's correctly priced. 'Nuff said :D

[pittjoe33]

thanks, so i should buy 2 to get better results right?

i think ill get super pump and size on

what is super pump exactly, i just read about it. Is it like an NO product? and the size on is the creatine.
do you also recomend to for me to buy glutamine as well oris there enough in these supplements?

I have not tried either of the products that Smitsky has recommneded, but looking at there formulas, I think they both sound really good (Torrent & Ragnarok). NO-Xplode and and SuperPump 250 are pre-workout Nitric Oxide products. SizeOn and CellMass are post-workout creatine products. If you go with Torrent and Ragnarok, they sound like nice choices too, but like I said, I haven't tried them (yet). SizeOn is consumed during and after workout.

[smitsky]

Take a look at this Thread for some additional ideas:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4976003

[Tacoma728]

has anyone else used the champion nutrition creatine extreme? I liked the results it gave me.

[bama820]

Has anyone taken con-cret? I am wondering if the small dosage really works as the company says.

[pittjoe33]

Has anyone taken con-cret? I am wondering if the small dosage really works as the company says.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=5478293

[JMoney..]

SizeOn is the best creatine out there
but i dont like the price
i go with BSN cellmass
the CEEM(creatine-ethyl-ester-malate) works about as good as sizeOn's creatine gluconate
and with 40 serving per bottle compared to 30 w/ sizeOn, plus a smaller cost, cell mass is best
dont waste money on creatine mono. even micronized. you wont get 1/6 the results you would get with a more advanced creatine

[BigHock]

Pitjoe 33

Looking for some things that might fit your routine.. Alright.. Your right on witht some of the basics.. The first being Kre-Alklyn, and the second being AEE... as far as the ribose.. you can hold off.. sugar is needed for CM absorbtion and that is debatable..

Most of your KA producst will have some vanadium in there to help with the glucose response...
Now one real good product.. and i find it at franchise GNC stores is
Cellucor's M5
taste is nasty.. But has what your looking for as far as a preworkout supplemnt. KA, AEE, citrulline malate,, Vanadium, it is a good formual.. Has a good energy blend, and hits hard especially for vascularity.

AEE tastes really awefull, all the products i have tasted with it is bad!! Unless you get a capsule..

Assuming your working out In the EVE..

AM- Vitamins, Protein, whey, preferabley something pre-digested (hydrolized) whey proteing Isolate.. If not insert your digestive enzymes.
Keep your fiber High in the AM... Oats, etc.
PM/Lunch.. Try to consume 2 servings of red meat.. Chicken will keep you lean but red meat with increase nitrogen production and make your muscles fuller.. Protein shake

PM/ dinner.. no starchy carbs.. keep those for the am or afternoon..
Protein shake 1hour pre workout.. Casinate slow release..

Now your pre workout drink needs to be 30-45 min prior to workout on empty stomach.. No shakes closer than one hour pre workout...
Good carbs should be consumed throughut the day, malodextrin... but especially post.. keep the bad carbs in the am or afternoon so you can burn them off.. Now for size keep a 1-1 ratio of protein to carbs... and at the same time you are lookin for 1g per pound of body weight.. Your glutamine should be in your post workout shake... Try Afterglow by biorhythm... It has 7grams of glutamne, 20g of whey protein Isolate.. All your BCAA's and extra gram of KA,,, and it has sissus quadragularis... Helps recovery BIG TIME.. this is only on workout days.. These are some products and things i have advised people to take... you cam mix it up... Your digestive enzyms. before meals.. Flax-seed, you can add to your protein... 1g of water a day.. Clean Carbs.. and shut your food intake down 2 hours before you go to bed... ZMA helps at bedtime... but you keep your diet clean .. that is 70-80% of it... Hope this helps bro....

[BigHock]

You sound like you know your stuff. I have a question maybe you can answer. I've wanted to put together a home recipe tailored for me, but am unsure of the ratio for each ingredient for effectiveness. I was thinking Kre-Alkalyn, ribose, glutamine, Arginine Ethyl Ester, citrilline malate, maltodextrin or dextrose, caffeiene anhydrous and a digestive enzyme. Any suggestions on the ingredients or ratios?

Check previous message bro.. hope you do well..

[\J/]

size on, its more than creatine!!

[blackwolf1006]

SIZEON all the way. i have tried many diffrent Creatine products and nothing give the the results that SIZEON did. Even months after cycling off the product the size that I have gained from it still remain. Two thumbs way up for size on.

[richc]

Pitjoe 33

Looking for some things that might fit your routine.. Alright.. Your right on witht some of the basics.. The first being Kre-Alklyn, and the second being AEE... as far as the ribose.. you can hold off.. sugar is needed for CM absorbtion and that is debatable..

Most of your KA producst will have some vanadium in there to help with the glucose response...
Now one real good product.. and i find it at franchise GNC stores is
Cellucor's M5
taste is nasty.. But has what your looking for as far as a preworkout supplemnt. KA, AEE, citrulline malate,, Vanadium, it is a good formual.. Has a good energy blend, and hits hard especially for vascularity.

AEE tastes really awefull, all the products i have tasted with it is bad!! Unless you get a capsule..

Assuming your working out In the EVE..

AM- Vitamins, Protein, whey, preferabley something pre-digested (hydrolized) whey proteing Isolate.. If not insert your digestive enzymes.
Keep your fiber High in the AM... Oats, etc.
PM/Lunch.. Try to consume 2 servings of red meat.. Chicken will keep you lean but red meat with increase nitrogen production and make your muscles fuller.. Protein shake

PM/ dinner.. no starchy carbs.. keep those for the am or afternoon..
Protein shake 1hour pre workout.. Casinate slow release..

Now your pre workout drink needs to be 30-45 min prior to workout on empty stomach.. No shakes closer than one hour pre workout...
Good carbs should be consumed throughut the day, malodextrin... but especially post.. keep the bad carbs in the am or afternoon so you can burn them off.. Now for size keep a 1-1 ratio of protein to carbs... and at the same time you are lookin for 1g per pound of body weight.. Your glutamine should be in your post workout shake... Try Afterglow by biorhythm... It has 7grams of glutamne, 20g of whey protein Isolate.. All your BCAA's and extra gram of KA,,, and it has sissus quadragularis... Helps recovery BIG TIME.. this is only on workout days.. These are some products and things i have advised people to take... you cam mix it up... Your digestive enzyms. before meals.. Flax-seed, you can add to your protein... 1g of water a day.. Clean Carbs.. and shut your food intake down 2 hours before you go to bed... ZMA helps at bedtime... but you keep your diet clean .. that is 70-80% of it... Hope this helps bro....


wow, that is probably some the best and most easily understood no nonsense advice i have seen to date, anyone who isnt watching this thread is mising out big time, even for just this one post. thanks man, im sure we all appreciate that info

[dragon slayer]

I am looking for a pre or mid workout micronised mono creatine that will cause minimal water retention and bloating. I am beginning to do the P90X program which uses only bumbell weights and focuses on cardio intense workouts doing variations of pushups, situps, pullups, bar dips etc. I want to be able to complete higher reps and more weight when I use the dumbells. If it helps I only have about 7-8% bodyfat.

Hello I Im doing power 90 they have
Beachbodys' strength & muscle men's formula that is a buffered creatine
I tried wal-mart's sixstar, made me feel awful this doese'nt make me sick and I don't feel like i have a ball in my stomach hope this helps

Item #: MDSUPP90M30
Strength/Muscle Mens Formula
Up to four times more absorbable than regular creatine, our safe and potent formulation is a great-tasting way to get stronger and perform better.*

30-day supply.

Regular Price: $19.95
Your Price: $17.96

Item #: MDSUPP90M390
Strength/Muscle Men Formula Lg
Up to four times more absorbable than regular creatine, our safe and potent formulation is a great-tasting way to get stronger and perform better.*

78 servings.

*These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.

Regular Price: $39.90
Your Price: $35.91

[spmonkey]

Cell-Mass by BSN, I think its the best tasting and works great with my body.

[FitIron]

CM(monhydrate) is the most studied comound in the bodybuilding community.. Historically is has been proven time and time again to be effective... However.. Effective and Efficent are two diffrent things.. Monohydrate factually is a very good powder.. But as a compound it is unstable.. When this molecule hits water/altered PH controlled enviorment, the conversion starts.. Conversion to creatinine..

That is why you get immediate results.. Puffyness, water gains,, ****s etc. Those are all side effects.. Water retention does not convert to muscle gains.. Your muscles are expanded with excess fluid and that is generally the reason you loose most of your gains when you stop taking CM. Conversion (historically) is 50-70% into creatinine.. Hinch you take 10g, and only absorb 3-5g.

Doesnt mean that it is crap.. just means your not absorbing all of it.. Like CEE you loose some as well..

All forms of Creatine start with 2 compounds that make up CM.. Then compaines try to ad a 3rd molecule to help with absorbption. ESTER, Pyrvate, Glucanate.. etc.. Unlike most supplemtns (VIT C, VIT E) this process does not help due to the unstablity of the original molocule..

This is were Kre-Alklyn comes .. All they did is take the original compound CM, and buffer it.. (they won't tell you how, that is their patent..) but it makes is PH stable and more absorbable.. TAKING cm AND MAKING IT STABLE!!!

So.. you don't have to load, cramp, no water rentention etc.. Now you won't see the immediate gains due to the lack of water.. but you won't actually loose your gains.. it also makes it easier to cut fat or gain size depending on your nutrition.... 1g = about 10 g of regular CM... But with KA you have only a few formulas with added Arginine or caffine for the extras that you get with super pump, NO explode, Shotgun etc. you don't need energy to gain muscle you need quality nutirents.

You cannot buy muscles in a can for 20 bucks,, but then again you can't buy woop ass in a can for 20 bucks either... Kre-Alklyn is better... But it also makes people unhappy that they don't get that 7day blow.. Everyone wants 20' arms and they want them by the end of the week.. Be realsistic.. You got to put the work in..

Here are a few products i have found that have done well for some of the guys i have trained.. They are harder to find.. but the basic ingrediants are the same ... Kre-Alklyn, and Arginine Ethyl Ester... (not AAKG)

Bio-rhythm's ---Arnge Krush (high energy)
Cellucor's ---- M5 (hits really hard,, nasty taste)
Axonic Nutrition's ---KO ( capsule KA wit AEE) no energy
NDS---- Pump Fuel...(ruff taste but good pumps)
Atlas Nutrition -----Kre-ex (Good taste, extra glutamine)

These have been top performers for a lot of my guys.. Very much similar but diffrent depending on individual needs..

Stay Strong!!


Pitjoe 33

Looking for some things that might fit your routine.. Alright.. Your right on witht some of the basics.. The first being Kre-Alklyn, and the second being AEE... as far as the ribose.. you can hold off.. sugar is needed for CM absorbtion and that is debatable..

Most of your KA producst will have some vanadium in there to help with the glucose response...
Now one real good product.. and i find it at franchise GNC stores is
Cellucor's M5
taste is nasty.. But has what your looking for as far as a preworkout supplemnt. KA, AEE, citrulline malate,, Vanadium, it is a good formual.. Has a good energy blend, and hits hard especially for vascularity.

AEE tastes really awefull, all the products i have tasted with it is bad!! Unless you get a capsule..

Assuming your working out In the EVE..

AM- Vitamins, Protein, whey, preferabley something pre-digested (hydrolized) whey proteing Isolate.. If not insert your digestive enzymes.
Keep your fiber High in the AM... Oats, etc.
PM/Lunch.. Try to consume 2 servings of red meat.. Chicken will keep you lean but red meat with increase nitrogen production and make your muscles fuller.. Protein shake

PM/ dinner.. no starchy carbs.. keep those for the am or afternoon..
Protein shake 1hour pre workout.. Casinate slow release..

Now your pre workout drink needs to be 30-45 min prior to workout on empty stomach.. No shakes closer than one hour pre workout...
Good carbs should be consumed throughut the day, malodextrin... but especially post.. keep the bad carbs in the am or afternoon so you can burn them off.. Now for size keep a 1-1 ratio of protein to carbs... and at the same time you are lookin for 1g per pound of body weight.. Your glutamine should be in your post workout shake... Try Afterglow by biorhythm... It has 7grams of glutamne, 20g of whey protein Isolate.. All your BCAA's and extra gram of KA,,, and it has sissus quadragularis... Helps recovery BIG TIME.. this is only on workout days.. These are some products and things i have advised people to take... you cam mix it up... Your digestive enzyms. before meals.. Flax-seed, you can add to your protein... 1g of water a day.. Clean Carbs.. and shut your food intake down 2 hours before you go to bed... ZMA helps at bedtime... but you keep your diet clean .. that is 70-80% of it... Hope this helps bro....

IT seems you do infact know the science. I learned alot reading both of your post. Thank you for taking the time to type them out...

As a Creatine I have been using Fusion Bodybuildings PURPLE-K. I have experienced none of the common side effects, but it too is a Kre-Alkalyn product, has 1500 mg. I like it because there is not loading, bloating etc. I am however seeing some steady gains after about 2 weeks. I also work my freaking ass off in the gym, and have my eating plan dialed in as well.

Here is a link that offers more info on PURPLE-K...
http://www.fusionbodybuilding.com/purplek/

Good luck all, and thanks again for all of your info BigHock!

[Leonidas80]

i vote Size On. Works really good. I guess you get what you pay for

[IrishHawkeye7]

found a site where SizeOn is being sold for $34.95

http://www.netnutri.com/browse.cfm/4,2567.htm?gclid=COyotovq-ZACFScXagodPBU90w

sorry if this isnt allowed, ill take it down if you need me to

[kruze414]

Pitjoe 33

Looking for some things that might fit your routine.. Alright.. Your right on witht some of the basics.. The first being Kre-Alklyn, and the second being AEE... as far as the ribose.. you can hold off.. sugar is needed for CM absorbtion and that is debatable..

Most of your KA producst will have some vanadium in there to help with the glucose response...
Now one real good product.. and i find it at franchise GNC stores is
Cellucor's M5
taste is nasty.. But has what your looking for as far as a preworkout supplemnt. KA, AEE, citrulline malate,, Vanadium, it is a good formual.. Has a good energy blend, and hits hard especially for vascularity.

AEE tastes really awefull, all the products i have tasted with it is bad!! Unless you get a capsule..

Assuming your working out In the EVE..

AM- Vitamins, Protein, whey, preferabley something pre-digested (hydrolized) whey proteing Isolate.. If not insert your digestive enzymes.
Keep your fiber High in the AM... Oats, etc.
PM/Lunch.. Try to consume 2 servings of red meat.. Chicken will keep you lean but red meat with increase nitrogen production and make your muscles fuller.. Protein shake

PM/ dinner.. no starchy carbs.. keep those for the am or afternoon..
Protein shake 1hour pre workout.. Casinate slow release..

Now your pre workout drink needs to be 30-45 min prior to workout on empty stomach.. No shakes closer than one hour pre workout...
Good carbs should be consumed throughut the day, malodextrin... but especially post.. keep the bad carbs in the am or afternoon so you can burn them off.. Now for size keep a 1-1 ratio of protein to carbs... and at the same time you are lookin for 1g per pound of body weight.. Your glutamine should be in your post workout shake... Try Afterglow by biorhythm... It has 7grams of glutamne, 20g of whey protein Isolate.. All your BCAA's and extra gram of KA,,, and it has sissus quadragularis... Helps recovery BIG TIME.. this is only on workout days.. These are some products and things i have advised people to take... you cam mix it up... Your digestive enzyms. before meals.. Flax-seed, you can add to your protein... 1g of water a day.. Clean Carbs.. and shut your food intake down 2 hours before you go to bed... ZMA helps at bedtime... but you keep your diet clean .. that is 70-80% of it... Hope this helps bro....
BigHock... what is the reasoning behind protien shake 1 hr prior to workout or pre workout supplement?

Also, what in this routine be changed if for example your an athlete and have a game that day instead of just a workout?

Thanks,

[pittjoe33]

BigHock... what is the reasoning behind protien shake 1 hr prior to workout or pre workout supplement?

Also, what in this routine be changed if for example your an athlete and have a game that day instead of just a workout?

Thanks,

The protein pre-workout is for the needed energy and muscle feeding prior to the exercise. Most NO products are pre-workout and directions usually say to take on an empty stomach.

[cleanmachine]

Has anybody here tried anabolic switch by MRI?

[miketl]

i tried anabolic switch when it first came out did do anything for me at all but thats just me.

[BigHock]

BigHock... what is the reasoning behind protien shake 1 hr prior to workout or pre workout supplement?

Also, what in this routine be changed if for example your an athlete and have a game that day instead of just a workout?

Thanks,


Well like Pitjoe33 had mentioned, the main reason you want to take a protein shake about an hour before your workout is for cellular energy.. You want to feed your muscles nutrients.. But keep in mind that you want a casinate protein, and no closer than an hour before your workout.

The reason for this is so your energy does not come from simple sugar, or quick insulin response.. That is what happens with a whey protein.. Very good, but absorbs almost too quick.. You don't want your system to be completly empty, but at the same time you don't want your body trying to break down foods and things while your trying to expand and contract your muscles, and focus your energy on a certain muscle group.

Slowe release protein prior to workout is vital for the extra muscular energy, and BCAA's that are needed..

Hope this helps you..
Sorry if i don't respond as quick as most.. but i will.. Thanks for the good comments.

Stay Strong.

[FitIron]

Well like Pitjoe33 had mentioned, the main reason you want to take a protein shake about an hour before your workout is for cellular energy.. You want to feed your muscles nutrients.. But keep in mind that you want a casinate protein, and no closer than an hour before your workout.

The reason for this is so your energy does not come from simple sugar, or quick insulin response.. That is what happens with a whey protein.. Very good, but absorbs almost too quick.. You don't want your system to be completly empty, but at the same time you don't want your body trying to break down foods and things while your trying to expand and contract your muscles, and focus your energy on a certain muscle group.

Slowe release protein prior to workout is vital for the extra muscular energy, and BCAA's that are needed..

Hope this helps you..
Sorry if i don't respond as quick as most.. but i will.. Thanks for the good comments.

Stay Strong.

For your contribution to this thread...

[lila123]

nos ether

[BoostBrah]

I would have to go with Vitargo, hands down. Ive tried almost every single creatine product known to man, and i have reaped AMAZING results using this!!!!
With the Vitargo, Very solid diet, Intense training i have managed to go from 165.25 lbs Dec 1st (keep in mind this was contest weight, completely dehydrated) to 223 lbs as of today (01-16-08). Product speaks for its self, only other thing i'm taking is a Multi, some omega's and weight gainer.

[JPunisher]

i know its specifically for PWO, but im thinking of ordering Torrent (Universal) and trying that out. I just got done with Vitargo CGL and it worked ok for me, but im looking to try something else. Anybody?

[richc]

I would have to go with Vitargo, hands down. Ive tried almost every single creatine product known to man, and i have reaped AMAZING results using this!!!!
With the Vitargo, Very solid diet, Intense training i have managed to go from 165.25 lbs Dec 1st (keep in mind this was contest weight, completely dehydrated) to 223 lbs as of today (01-16-08). Product speaks for its self, only other thing i'm taking is a Multi, some omega's and weight gainer.

looks like a very interesting product but they dont want you to use it within an hour of a meal, how do you get in your post workout shake in a timely manner and not diminish the effects of the vitargo? do you wait the ful hour to drink your shake? has anyone tried drinking extend with the vitagro to hold you over (as far as aminos) for that hour?

[FitIron]

looks like a very interesting product but they dont want you to use it within an hour of a meal, how do you get in your post workout shake in a timely manner and not diminish the effects of the vitargo? do you wait the ful hour to drink your shake? has anyone tried drinking extend with the vitagro to hold you over (as far as aminos) for that hour?

Are you talking about Scivations Xtend?

It should be fine to take with Vitargo, if not I'd think twice about taking a creatine product that is that stand alone.

As for the protein shake, if you are sipping Xtend during your workout, do not sweat the protein shake after a workout. Incorporate it into another time of the day. Most of your protein intake should come with your post workout meal. Remember, whey proteins, supplements etc, are exactly that, SUPPLEMENTS not substitutes for a poor eating plan.

I use a Kre-Alkalyn creatine, and Xtend during my workouts. The results have been solid, and steady. I am gaining lean muscle and not bulking or fat...

[FitIron]

I would have to go with Vitargo, hands down. Ive tried almost every single creatine product known to man, and i have reaped AMAZING results using this!!!!
With the Vitargo, Very solid diet, Intense training i have managed to go from 165.25 lbs Dec 1st (keep in mind this was contest weight, completely dehydrated) to 223 lbs as of today (01-16-08). Product speaks for its self, only other thing i'm taking is a Multi, some omega's and weight gainer.


looks like a very interesting product but they dont want you to use it within an hour of a meal, how do you get in your post workout shake in a timely manner and not diminish the effects of the vitargo? do you wait the ful hour to drink your shake? has anyone tried drinking extend with the vitagro to hold you over (as far as aminos) for that hour?

***Very solid diet, Intense training*** Great advice....!!!

Both are key regardless of what you are taking....

[BoostBrah]

looks like a very interesting product but they dont want you to use it within an hour of a meal, how do you get in your post workout shake in a timely manner and not diminish the effects of the vitargo? do you wait the ful hour to drink your shake? has anyone tried drinking extend with the vitagro to hold you over (as far as aminos) for that hour?

I Ignore the whole, DONT EAT FOR ONE HOUR AFTER TAKING statement. The minute im done lifting i throw the vitargo down and then 45 min after that i usually have some Brown Rice, some sort of meat and some veggies. If im lazy and dont want to cook ill just slam some cytogainer.

[v4nity]

Just curious, purchased a product called purple k.. i think..
its creatine in a purple bottle, large purple pills.. guy at the store said that its cool for women..
but, i have heard adverse responses.

anyone taken it?? or know anything?

*i tried to search but im still figuring this site out*

[RawDogMafia]

Just curious, purchased a product called purple k.. i think..
its creatine in a purple bottle, large purple pills.. guy at the store said that its cool for women..
but, i have heard adverse responses.

anyone taken it?? or know anything?

*i tried to search but im still figuring this site out*

I've tried it before, it was ok, not great but not bad either. Purple K is known more so for recovery and reducing soreness, rather than massive pumps and extreme energy in the gym.

[FWCMuZiK]

Size On makes me feel like Im going to throw up at random parts of the day when I take it. I never did throw up it just gives me the feeling.

[SupaFly78]

Size On makes me feel like Im going to throw up at random parts of the day when I take it. I never did throw up it just gives me the feeling.

rookie

[slowgain]

I could pick up a pencil and my forearms would turn to concrete!

[NJlifter123]

I need some advice i just got NO-Xplode and started taking it im taking one scoop before workout. Is it okay to take after my pre workout meal? Also should i take it when i dont train for that day?

[0nep0int8turb0]

I need some advice i just got NO-Xplode and started taking it im taking one scoop before workout. Is it okay to take after my pre workout meal? Also should i take it when i dont train for that day?


you would prolly get a stomach ache.. my opinion

[pittjoe33]

I need some advice i just got NO-Xplode and started taking it im taking one scoop before workout. Is it okay to take after my pre workout meal? Also should i take it when i dont train for that day?

If you go to there website at http://www.bsnonline.net click on Products- NO-Xplode and it lists recommended use for training and non-training days, etc. Just follow the directions exactly as they show and work in you food/protein shakes around that.

[richc]

I need some advice i just got NO-Xplode and started taking it im taking one scoop before workout. Is it okay to take after my pre workout meal? Also should i take it when i dont train for that day?

no explode is meant to be a pre workout energizer, i dont think theres much of a point to take it any time other than pre workout. the last time i used it i developed a tolerence to it fairly quickly, i would guess if you use it on non training days as well you would lose effectivnes even faster

[miketl]

it only took me maybe 2 weeks on no xplode and i was use to it.

[pittjoe33]

no explode is meant to be a pre workout energizer, i dont think theres much of a point to take it any time other than pre workout. the last time i used it i developed a tolerence to it fairly quickly, i would guess if you use it on non training days as well you would lose effectivnes even faster

I'm not recommending this because this stack can be dangerous. If taking too high of a dosage or too frequently, or if exposed to extreme heat or exercise, this can strain your heart or cause a stroke, etc. But, if taking NO just for the mental focus and energy, the best fat burning/energy/focus stack that I've used is combining ephedrine, yohimbine and caffeine anhydrous. But, ephedrine and caffeine can also reduce the effects and absorption of creatine. I used this stack several hours apart from when I took my creatine.

[Silentseraph]

Currently im using muscle-tech hardcore, i really didn't do alot of research before i made my purchase i just started working out again after taking almost 8 years off. So Ive done alot of reading here and Im wondering which way to go. My main goals are increasing muscle size, and reducing fat. So maybe the amount of sugar in muscle-tech is causing me some problem on the fat side.

Im looking for alternative creatine that, is effective also maybe easy on my stomach muscle-tech did give me alot of bloating.

these are the types that I have seen so far that caught my attention.

Micronized Creatine
kre-Alkalyn
size on.

I have seen gains, im just concerned about losing them after getting off muscle-tech, any advice would be helpful.

[sxymitch]

size-on is awesome just not the lemon ice flavor....stick with berry!

[giresun27]

clout

[Gym God]

Just curious, purchased a product called purple k.. i think..
its creatine in a purple bottle, large purple pills.. guy at the store said that its cool for women..
but, i have heard adverse responses.

anyone taken it?? or know anything?

*i tried to search but im still figuring this site out*

You won't have any adverse effects while taking PURPLE-K. If you are looking to build more muscle, which will help in burning fat then the product is great for you. If you are already dieting and you want to help maintain your current lean muscle tissue, then PURPLE-K is great for you once again.

[v4nity]

thank you so much gym god..
this is great info..
now to just stack products right.. lol..

[fitSF]

CE-2 Hi-Def by MRi

You can feel the extra strength and pump every single time.

no need to cycle off it and no messy sugary mess.

Mike Behnken, MS, CSCS
http://fitSF.com

[OnX9]

Con-Cret I tried it just once, But I could really tell the diff in my lifting. down side is they only sell it at GNC :(

[CALLofDUTY]

Horse Power by ultimate nutrition

[Veedub]

San V12 Turbo works well but contains aspartame. HP944 is ok but does not generate quite the same pump or focus as Turbo.

[gettinglarger]

Sizeon is the best overall.

hell, yeah!!I been trying sizon on, super pump 250, and novedax xt together, and I have notice in strength withing one week.

[franchise28]

horse power says it all with in minutes you feel it goin to work. and see it on the weights.

[fhm010]

ive been taking NO xplode, cellmass, and nitrix, i would not not recommend the nitrix i dont see any results with itand im half way throught the 180 tab bottle but with the no and cell mass ive noticed great strength gains and much more energy in the gym

[Leonidas80]

Horsepower is good. Cellmass sucks big time did nothing for me. But i think sizeOn is number 1

[dutrachr]

ive been taking NO xplode, cellmass, and nitrix, i would not not recommend the nitrix i dont see any results with itand im half way throught the 180 tab bottle but with the no and cell mass ive noticed great strength gains and much more energy in the gym


i didnt like nitrix when i took it.
cellmass did a little for me if anything.
with no i had a ton of energy in the gym, but not as much gains.

[Z-Cann]

Just got Cell tech so hope it works but at some point i am going to have to try size on to many good reviews.

[mrkdrt]

ON's CM (Creapure)
doesnt taste bad as others

[fhm010]

yeah i cant wait to finish my bsn products cause im going on superpump and szeon after

[fhm010]

how would taking superpump and size on work if i was trying to cut?

[mikeynice2000]

One of the oldest in the book...Phosphagen HP high transport. Designed to apply more creatine to muscle cells and ATP pools and less to be filtered out. Weight gain, strength, and little bloating. I used to buy it for $56 bucks a tub about 6 years ago, its still on the shelf and still works wonders. It's down to something like $18 or $25 bucks a tub. Something absurd because they EAS has supposedly improved on it so many times. I assure you save your money the HP is awesome.

[jknack]

Sizeon is the best overall.

I've got to agree with this. I used to use mono, but didn't really have all that much success with it. I did notice that i had gained a considerable amount of weight that stuck around even after the cycle with size on. For the time being, as far as creatine goes, I'm sticking with SizeOn.

[JesseP1981]

Have to go with Cellmass on this one. If you have your diet down and working out the right way you should see results. Of course genetics becomes an issue for everyone even if you were taking steroids let alone cellmas. Tried Cell tech a few times and had too much sugar in my opinion. I had results but not as good as cellmass.

[cbsxr800]

I have used cell-tech for about eight weeks. I have been getting bigger and stronger every week. I do think it may make a guy a little bit fatter though,nothing a little cardio wont fix though. I thought about giving the cellmass a try next just to switch it up a bit. All in all I think cell-tech is a great product. I don't see how some of you guys aren't making gains on it, follow it up with 40 to 60 grams of whey 30 min after theres no way any person wouldn't see gains.

[pittjoe33]

I have used cell-tech for about eight weeks. I have been getting bigger and stronger every week. I do think it may make a guy a little bit fatter though,nothing a little cardio wont fix though. I thought about giving the cellmass a try next just to switch it up a bit. All in all I think cell-tech is a great product. I don't see how some of you guys aren't making gains on it, follow it up with 40 to 60 grams of whey 30 min after theres no way any person wouldn't see gains.

This is just my humble opinion. This is just my humble opinion. I think that a lot of people write what they read the majority of people saying. They repeat what the masses are saying, even if they haven?t tried a product. Some people are also tired of a lot of over-hyped marketing and some of the outrageous prices of some of the products. For example- there might be a good product, but if they are charging excessive amounts because they marketed and advertised the crap of it, you pay too much. Then, the product claims not only to do specific things, but uses descriptive words such as ?mind blowing pumps?, ?skin tearing pumps?, ?mind blowing muscle mass?. If the product had been $15 cheaper and not much advertising, and only promised slight strength increases, etc., it wouldn?t be knocked as much. Nitric Oxide products are not going to put 15 pounds of lean muscle on you. Creatines, protein, etc. and hard lifting will. Nitric oxide products- you should expect to get a little extra pump in the gym and if it contains stimulants, more energy and focus. The extra energy and focus and motivation from the pumps may lead to more lean muscle from your overall workout intensity. You can expect to put on a little size, strength and have extra recovery from using creatine. Cell-Tech isn?t a bad product and you do get results. They just may not be everything as they are claimed and might be a little overpriced. If it works for you, is affordable and gives you an edge, it?s a good product.

[KyleY]

I have used cell-tech for about eight weeks. I have been getting bigger and stronger every week. I do think it may make a guy a little bit fatter though,nothing a little cardio wont fix though. I thought about giving the cellmass a try next just to switch it up a bit. All in all I think cell-tech is a great product. I don't see how some of you guys aren't making gains on it, follow it up with 40 to 60 grams of whey 30 min after theres no way any person wouldn't see gains.

Strong First Post.

Creatine Mono and grape juice PWO is a good combo.

[Oddball8945]

Chaos seems pretty solid imo

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ai/chaos.html

[pittjoe33]

Chaos seems pretty solid imo

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ai/chaos.html

Not a bad formula. A one month supply. It only has 3 grams of creatine (3,000 mg = 3 grams), but it's primarily a pre-workout NO product.

[willehmill]

i dont get why people are still using bsn products after they found no creatine in the explode and cellmass products.

[pittjoe33]

i dont get why people are still using bsn products after they found no creatine in the explode and cellmass products.

That's just a suit claiming there independent tests showed that only creatine monohydrate was found. They also claimed no patent was pending. BSN contends that they did file for a patent and that they did not know how to test properly for there type of creatine. Have to wait for the results of the case. Anyone can file a suit. It's not a good idea to draw conclusions just because a suit was filed until the results are in.

[willehmill]

It just seems like it would be a waist of money and time to keep taking a controversial product and then finding out you were taking sugar and water =\. Personally i would wait until the controversy dies before i started taking it again.

[rhp150]

well ive never tried cell tech but people are saying they are making gains but obviously you should be getting stronger..your working out...as far as all the gains celltech claims you will make how much of it is water retention and the 300 extra calories of simple sugars that are in a serving will make you gain some weight as well..just saying

[S.Greenwood]

Cell tech hard core works,but yes a little hard on the wallet.

Is there anything cheaper

[2getbigger]

Again, I think that that Lebrada crealine is a great product. Seem's to have pretty good results with it

[pittjoe33]

It just seems like it would be a waist of money and time to keep taking a controversial product and then finding out you were taking sugar and water =\. Personally i would wait until the controversy dies before i started taking it again.

I understand what you are saying. My thing is this. You can ask people what works, but nothing tells you what works better than you trying it. If you have used the product and it worked well for you, and that company is denying the claims against them, continue using it. If it didn't work for you, stay away from it. But there are many good products out there to try, so see what happens.

[fhm010]

would taking No-Xplode and size on cancel out either one ??im not sure about it i jsut want to check?

[pittjoe33]

would taking No-Xplode and size on cancel out either one ??im not sure about it i jsut want to check?

No. It would be a good stack. NO-Xplode is a pre-workout Nitric Oxide product, where SizeOn is a during and post-workout creatine product.

[Juke n Move Jason]

Between Torrent and Green Mag it's a tossup, both have the high end blend of Mag Chelate, Tri Malate and a touch o' Monohydrate to saturate the cell. The Mag definitely fills up my muscles with water quickly, but the fullness goes away after a cycle ends, whereas the Torrent actually builds muscle fiber that lasts.

[pittjoe33]

Between Torrent and Green Mag it's a tossup, both have the high end blend of Mag Chelate, Tri Malate and a touch o' Monohydrate to saturate the cell. The Mag definitely fills up my muscles with water quickly, but the fullness goes away after a cycle ends, whereas the Torrent actually builds muscle fiber that lasts.

I like Torrent. It's a nice formula and it has protein in it as well. The down side is that it will run you around $60 for a 1 month supply and is high in sugar.

[AntM1564]

Hello everyone. I'm new to the BB.com community, but not to the sport.

I am currently looking for a new creatine product. I would love to use SizeOn since it seems to be the overall favorite, however, I am following the Anabolic Diet so the amount of carbs in SizeOn would just be way to much for the guidelines.

With that said, I have narrowed my decision down Green Mag, Universal Storm, and San V-12 Turbo. Out of those three, which one would you guys recommend? I'm leaning towards Green Mag through all the reading I've done, but I've seen a couple of posts saying the water retention on that product is pretty high, you seem bloated. If its the best out of those tgree, then I wouldn't mind that.

Just another piece of information, I will be starting a cut, I don't know if that effects the type or brand I should get.

I'm open to other suggestion as long as the the carbs in the prodcut aren't more than 15g, maybe 20g per serving. The lower the cabs, the better though.

Thank you to anyone that gives input.

[d34dlift]

Green Magnitude.

[rexbuilder]

muscle tech cell tech lemon lime and i just started the gnc pro performance tasteless too its not to bad in taste but i've really noticed a difference with the cell tech

[hotshot9819]

Kre-Alkalyn great product by Max Muslce Sports Nitruition. It works great!

[Samuels]

DAMN, I THOUGHT I WAS TAKING CEE FOR THE LAST MONTH OR SO BUT ITS ACTUALLY SCI-FIT 1500 KRE-ALKALYN.

What is the difference in CEE vs Kre-alkalyn??

Which is better?

I was about to buy cellmass next but this thread is making me sketchy and i almost bought it night before last.

I hate mono it bloats me and i'm still trying to drop some weight and retain muscle the best i can.

I actually have slightly high blood pressure and take blood pressure pills hopefully not much longer have gotten my diet in check and its getting real low.

But i can't take stuff like NO-Explode they say not to take them on the label, if you have a family history of high blood pressure etc.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Between Torrent and Green Mag it's a tossup, both have the high end blend of Mag Chelate, Tri Malate and a touch o' Monohydrate to saturate the cell. The Mag definitely fills up my muscles with water quickly, but the fullness goes away after a cycle ends, whereas the Torrent actually builds muscle fiber that lasts.
you do realize these products are in completely different categories? green mag is a preworkout creatine, torrent is for postworkout nutrition. also green mag is 1/4 the cost per serving ;)

Green Magnitude.
it is a great effective formula at an amazing price and tastes great, many on here have said its the best tasting supplement on the market :eek:

[staapes57]

I'm about to try Xyience's NOX-CG3 which is a matrix of three creatines (both mono and ethyl ester), three glutamines, and three arginines (no-boosters). It seems like a great "universal" supplement if you're not wanting to buy a pre, post, and daytime supp all at the same time. I'll keep it posted as to how it works. Has anyone else taken this and had good success with it?

[Peter LeDrew]

GreenMag has a very good formula, excellent taste and by far the best price of anything near it.

Ragnarok which I am logging now, by Millennium Sports Technologies is a little pricier per serving, but still an excellent price. It offers quite a few extras, including beta-alanine and many others, great taste and I am really liking it.

I will soon have the GreenMag to add to my IntrAbolic intra-workout, which I am currently doing with Ragnarok. I think there is nothing better out there than combing these. All your bases are covered.

Even better, as some are looking to avoid carbs during workout (which I think is a great idea for burning fat) both have 0 carbs.
Adding IntrAbolic adds just 2g carbs and just 50 calories of muscle-building heaven! :)

[TPCramp1227]

I'm taking clout right now and it seems to be doing wonders for me, and usually most products don't do much for me so thats saying alot. I just have a quick question and would appreciate it if someone could answer it. Clout although it works great taste's horrible, sometimes i can't even stomach it. I'm wondering if i could Mix it with NO-Xplode to offset the taste? I'm not looking for any increased results i just want to know if they are ok to mix together, like that one won't offset the other. Thanks.

[Peter LeDrew]

I'm taking clout right now and it seems to be doing wonders for me, and usually most products don't do much for me so thats saying alot. I just have a quick question and would appreciate it if someone could answer it. Clout although it works great taste's horrible, sometimes i can't even stomach it. I'm wondering if i could Mix it with NO-Xplode to offset the taste? I'm not looking for any increased results i just want to know if they are ok to mix together, like that one won't offset the other. Thanks.

clout = great product. try mixing it with xtend or purple wraath for taste AND performance enhancement

[naturalguy]

I like Torrent. It's a nice formula and it has protein in it as well. The down side is that it will run you around $60 for a 1 month supply and is high in sugar.

We've just come out with a larger size Torrent (28 servings) for $54.95

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/pump.html

If you train 5 days per week, it will last you almost 6 weeks.

Torrent is much more than a creatine product, it's a complete post workout formula.

[naturalguy]

Hello everyone. I'm new to the BB.com community, but not to the sport.

I am currently looking for a new creatine product. I would love to use SizeOn since it seems to be the overall favorite, however, I am following the Anabolic Diet so the amount of carbs in SizeOn would just be way to much for the guidelines.

With that said, I have narrowed my decision down Green Mag, Universal Storm, and San V-12 Turbo. Out of those three, which one would you guys recommend? I'm leaning towards Green Mag through all the reading I've done, but I've seen a couple of posts saying the water retention on that product is pretty high, you seem bloated. If its the best out of those tgree, then I wouldn't mind that.

Just another piece of information, I will be starting a cut, I don't know if that effects the type or brand I should get.

I'm open to other suggestion as long as the the carbs in the prodcut aren't more than 15g, maybe 20g per serving. The lower the cabs, the better though.

Thank you to anyone that gives input.

Storm will give you the best price/results @ 80 servings for under $27, nothing comes close (except bulk creatine).

[TPCramp1227]

clout = great product. try mixing it with xtend or purple wraath for taste AND performance enhancement

thanks man. i'll be sure to try that

[FitIron]

DAMN, I THOUGHT I WAS TAKING CEE FOR THE LAST MONTH OR SO BUT ITS ACTUALLY SCI-FIT 1500 KRE-ALKALYN.

What is the difference in CEE vs Kre-alkalyn??

Which is better?

I was about to buy cellmass next but this thread is making me sketchy and i almost bought it night before last.

I hate mono it bloats me and i'm still trying to drop some weight and retain muscle the best i can.

I actually have slightly high blood pressure and take blood pressure pills hopefully not much longer have gotten my diet in check and its getting real low.

But i can't take stuff like NO-Explode they say not to take them on the label, if you have a family history of high blood pressure etc.


Kre-Alkalyn Creatines are best!!

Here is a short review of CM, ( creatine monohydrate )...A portion of this info was originally posted by BigHock regarding creatines. He is a world class bodybuilder and trainer...

CM(monhydrate) is the most studied comound in the bodybuilding community.. Historically is has been proven time and time again to be effective... However.. Effective and Efficent are two diffrent things.. Monohydrate factually is a very good powder.. But as a compound it is unstable.. When this molecule hits water/altered PH controlled enviorment, the conversion starts.. Conversion to creatinine..

That is why you get immediate results.. Puffyness, water gains,, ****s etc. Those are all side effects.. Water retention does not convert to muscle gains.. Your muscles are expanded with excess fluid and that is generally the reason you loose most of your gains when you stop taking CM. Conversion (historically) is 50-70% into creatinine.. Hinch you take 10g, and only absorb 3-5g.

Doesnt mean that it is crap.. just means your not absorbing all of it.. Like CEE you loose some as well..


This is were Kre-Alklyn comes .. All they did is take the original compound CM, and buffer it.. (they won't tell you how, that is their patent..) but it makes is PH stable and more absorbable.. TAKING cm AND MAKING IT STABLE!!!


So.. you don't have to load, cramp, no water rentention etc.. Now you won't see the immediate gains due to the lack of water.. but you won't actually loose your gains.. it also makes it easier to cut fat or gain size depending on your nutrition....

You cannot buy muscles in a can for 20 bucks,, but then again you can't buy woop ass in a can for 20 bucks either... Kre-Alklyn is better... But it also makes people unhappy that they don't get that 7day blow.. Everyone wants 20' arms and they want them by the end of the week.. Be realsistic.. You got to put the work in..

Take a look at Fusion Bodybuilding's PURPLE-K...BEcause it is pH correct there is no loading, bloating, or water retention. It fully aborbs into your system.


http://www.fusionbodybuilding.com/purplek/

[Peter LeDrew]

Kre-Alkalyn Creatines are best!!

Here is a short review of CM, ( creatine monohydrate )...A portion of this info was originally posted by BigHock regarding creatines. He is a world class bodybuilder and trainer...

CM(monhydrate) is the most studied comound in the bodybuilding community.. Historically is has been proven time and time again to be effective... However.. Effective and Efficent are two diffrent things.. Monohydrate factually is a very good powder.. But as a compound it is unstable.. When this molecule hits water/altered PH controlled enviorment, the conversion starts.. Conversion to creatinine..

That is why you get immediate results.. Puffyness, water gains,, ****s etc. Those are all side effects.. Water retention does not convert to muscle gains.. Your muscles are expanded with excess fluid and that is generally the reason you loose most of your gains when you stop taking CM. Conversion (historically) is 50-70% into creatinine.. Hinch you take 10g, and only absorb 3-5g.

Doesnt mean that it is crap.. just means your not absorbing all of it.. Like CEE you loose some as well..


This is were Kre-Alklyn comes .. All they did is take the original compound CM, and buffer it.. (they won't tell you how, that is their patent..) but it makes is PH stable and more absorbable.. TAKING cm AND MAKING IT STABLE!!!


So.. you don't have to load, cramp, no water rentention etc.. Now you won't see the immediate gains due to the lack of water.. but you won't actually loose your gains.. it also makes it easier to cut fat or gain size depending on your nutrition....

You cannot buy muscles in a can for 20 bucks,, but then again you can't buy woop ass in a can for 20 bucks either... Kre-Alklyn is better... But it also makes people unhappy that they don't get that 7day blow.. Everyone wants 20' arms and they want them by the end of the week.. Be realsistic.. You got to put the work in..

Take a look at Fusion Bodybuilding's PURPLE-K...BEcause it is pH correct there is no loading, bloating, or water retention. It fully aborbs into your system.


http://www.fusionbodybuilding.com/purplek/

Lots of claims there... any studies to support? Because the one study I read by renowned researcher Dr. Tallon suggested Purple-K actually converted to creatinine more than mono and mono was more stable.
I'm open to new research suggesting otherwise.

[Peter LeDrew]

Storm will give you the best price/results @ 80 servings for under $27, nothing comes close (except bulk creatine).

That is a very good deal. Never tried it, but looks solid and I did look at it before, but just forgot. Sorry about that.

[bigred5434]

Have you tried VPX NO Shotgun or BSN NO Xplode? If so, how does Gaspari compare? I'm asking because I'd like to try Sizeon and SuperPump 250. I've hear people say they spend a lot of time in the bathroom. Have you had any trouble with the taste or extended bathroom breaks?


I like Size On, it worked great for me but Superpump 250 gives you the runs if you take any amount that will have any positive effect.

[smitsky]

...Superpump 250 gives you the runs if you take any amount that will have any positive effect.

This happened to me when I first took it.

It stopped once I started sipping it slowly. Drink it slowly. I think you will see a difference.

[Main Boy]

Cell Tech Hardcore easily the best one for me.

Iv tried prolabs monohydrate numerous times, LA Muscles's explosive creatine, maximuscle's cyclone and all of them gave results but they are no where near as strong as cell tech. You do tend to ballon up on cell tech but for strength gains there is no better creatine.

[AntM1564]

Storm will give you the best price/results @ 80 servings for under $27, nothing comes close (except bulk creatine).

I might give this a go next time. I just ordered Green Mag and White Flood last night since I saw very good feedback about this stack. Thank you for your input natural!

[surferbuild]

I have been very impressed with Gaspari Size On. Just tried it for the first time last week and have now used it for three workouts. It really seems to keep your energy and pump going throughout the workout. So far I have been using it during the workout in combination with Superpump 250 as my preworkout drink. Haven't had any stomach or other problems.

My favorite preworkout drink (prior to Size On) has been Labrada Supercharge so I am going to try a Supercharge/Size On Stack next workout and see how that works.

[barrymac]

I am taking AST Micronized Creatine, I mix it with my Protien shake after my workout, is this a good idea? I've read that you should take Creatine with Grape Juice, I am diabetic so I try and avoid the amount of sugars in one serving of the juice. Can I continue with mixing the two or am I working the two against each other by mixing?

Thanks, I always appreciate the adivce from BB.com.

[Carlito99]

I am taking AST Micronized Creatine, I mix it with my Protien shake after my workout, is this a good idea? I've read that you should take Creatine with Grape Juice, I am diabetic so I try and avoid the amount of sugars in one serving of the juice. Can I continue with mixing the two or am I working the two against each other by mixing?

Thanks, I always appreciate the adivce from BB.com.

What you're doing is perfectly fine, keep doing it

[SMallory]

All in the end, creatine doesnt really help! It may seem, but i see no point if you just want solid permanent gains!!

[barrymac]

What you're doing is perfectly fine, keep doing it

Thanks for the input!!!

[smitsky]

All in the end, creatine doesnt really help! It may seem, but i see no point if you just want solid permanent gains!!

Thanks for your opinion.

I don't agree, and I think many others here will be with me on this one.

Creatine assists in making solid permanent gains.

Sorry it doesn't seem that way for you.

[EBA84]

Best creatine I have ever taken is German micronized creatine by Scitrex. Great stuff.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I might give this a go next time. I just ordered Green Mag and White Flood last night since I saw very good feedback about this stack. Thank you for your input natural!

thanks for your business, please keep a log if possible and we are here for any questions you may have :)

[jimromano]

cellmass is the best stuff out there in my opinion, now i dont have any stiff proof, but i have taken nitro tech and other things but cellmass is by far the best. First of all, the rush it gives you is exellent, second its the best tasting creatine product on the market, you can hold me to that...the grape is awesome. It is evidently pricey but at my nearest GNC store, they are on sale for $25 per 640grams. i give this creatine a 9 outta 10 easy.

[SMallory]

Well, yea, but the way i saw it was only water retention, i have used b4 and got gains. Could i use creatine tho, im 17, but i also take animal pak, m stak, on whey, on casein, joint complex and waxy maize?!?
i was thinking maybe like cee or micronized mono? but not sure since using m stak?!?

[viciouselipse]

well after slacking for a while over the winter, I got my ass back to the gym today. I picked up some sizeon becuase I haven't had much luck with standard creatine mono/cee, but the sizeon seemed to give pretty good initial results, if a little pricey

[AntM1564]

thanks for your business, please keep a log if possible and we are here for any questions you may have :)

Will do.

I am so pumped, I can't remember the last time I was so excited to get anything!

[smitsky]

All in the end, creatine doesnt really help! It may seem, but i see no point if you just want solid permanent gains!!

I responded to this earlier :cool:


Well, yea, but the way i saw it was only water retention, i have used b4 and got gains. Could i use creatine tho, im 17, but i also take animal pak, m stak, on whey, on casein, joint complex and waxy maize?!?
i was thinking maybe like cee or micronized mono? but not sure since using m stak?!?

Ok, I think this post is a bit more reasonable :)

I would wait to use it until the correct age. I'm not sure what that is. Can someone respond here?

Best regards.

[yodadude16]

Well, yea, but the way i saw it was only water retention, i have used b4 and got gains. Could i use creatine tho, im 17, but i also take animal pak, m stak, on whey, on casein, joint complex and waxy maize?!?
i was thinking maybe like cee or micronized mono? but not sure since using m stak?!?

Ive been using creatine for a year and a half now with other supplements...so i think you would be alright if you went ahead and threw creatine into your routine. But....then of course, if you start having bad side affects...then its kinda recommended to stop using it and to see your doctor lol

[ChicagoBldr]

I have used TwinLab's Creatine Fuel Stack cycled for awhile and love the results. It also has some Glutamine and Taurine in it, too. I just read an article saying that CEE is better than CM so I am going to switch to a CEE product instead of the CM in TL's stack and see how that works for a bit.

[X4ce]

prolab creapure monohydrate is da best, go 4 it :-)

[dvsness]

prolab creapure monohydrate is da best, go 4 it :-)

;);)

[Getdiesel1212]

Anybody like anything more then gasapari size-on... Now that my friends is something else

[smith06]

I just use the Wal-Mart brand that comes in a 5 lb. can. Ive seen great results from it.

[sl4nd3r]

How many grams per serving should I be looking for when purchasing Creatine? I used cell mass for a month and noticed I got bigger and stronger, but that stuff is like 40 bucks for a 2 week supply.

[SMallory]

oh alright, i was going to add it to waxy maize right after lifting, maybe cee or micronized, which one?
SO: ill be using:
ON whey and casein
Universal M stak and animal pak
PrimaForce CarbSlam
Joint complez
PrimaForce CEE or AST micronized creatine

thanks?

[jdjprimer19]

I've used Cellmass, regular Monohydrate (EAS & GNC), Size-on, Green Magnitude, Higher Power, etc


The best two IMO that provided the best results are:

1) Size-On
2) Green Mag

[sxymitch]

SIZE ON by GASPARI NUTRITION or nothin'!

[lipmadeulook]

i am about half way through my tub of sizeon and want to order another one before i run out..

Do you need to take any break between tubs?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I've used Cellmass, regular Monohydrate (EAS & GNC), Size-on, Green Magnitude, Higher Power, etc


The best two IMO that provided the best results are:

1) Size-On
2) Green Mag

these are both solid choices and you can get free green mag samples by sending your address to tank@controlledlabs.com

bb.com also has free samples you can add to your cart with an order.

[kknecht1]

Green MAg + GlycerGrow :D/

[NateWA]

Regular creatine mono. anything else is a waste of money

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Green MAg + GlycerGrow :D/

excellent combo. the real question is, what flavor green mag ? ;)

[yodadude16]

Regular creatine mono. anything else is a waste of money

creatine mono is a waste of money for some people...such as myself...all that crap does is load you with water...and you might see some minor strength gains

[NateWA]

I tried Kre-Alkalyn by EFX and saw absolutely nothing. Not even any water weight gain.

[sl4nd3r]

I tried Kre-Alkalyn by EFX and saw absolutely nothing. Not even any water weight gain.

That stuff is a f'ing joke. Just by SizeOn.

[smitsky]

oh alright, i was going to add it to waxy maize right after lifting, maybe cee or micronized, which one?
SO: ill be using:
ON whey and casein
Universal M stak and animal pak
PrimaForce CarbSlam
Joint complez
PrimaForce CEE or AST micronized creatine

thanks?

I like Prolab Creapure Creatine or Optimum Creatine Powder myself. You can try CEE. Primaforce is a good company IMO. ;)

[imawesome]

i have used cell tech and cellmass and saw the exact same results with both of them. same increase in strength, same increase in size

[Hengman]

I just tried MRI's Anabolic Switch for a month, and I got to say that it's REALLY good. I'm surprised about it. I've gotten WAY bigger.

I like SizeOn, too. However, SizeOn works best if used with SuperPump250.

[bcb_09]

anybody know which is the better creatine brand... Twin labs or Now?? I want to find some really good capsules, so u could just tell me if u know of capsules

[streza]

NanoCreatine (ASN)

[finehaymakerday]

Body Science Nutrition (BSN) Cellmass (grape flavor)

The serving is perfect, and more importantly it is so easy to take. It tastes like a grape gatorade, dissolves instantly (no chalk-ie grit left at the bottom of your glass), and is mixed with a simple sugar to instantaneously transfer the creatine into your bloodstream!!!

[Fizersbulls]

BSN Grape cell mass. my chest size was a sloppy, lumppy, loose 48. now its a solid size 48. only thing is it gives me the runs, its worth it.

[WEEBLMAN]

Cellmass

[jlasata]

Applied Nutriceuticals NeoVar, cheap, convenint pill form, no bloat

[liionel]

guys whats the difference btwn green mag and green bulge? any at all ? because at my area the price difference is alot.

[FitIron]

PURPLE-K


Kre-Alkalyn Creatine.

No bloat, NO retention, and no loading... pH rating of 14 doesn't it doesn't break down but fully absorbs.

I've had excellent results with it. I've had more clean mass gains in the last 4 weeks than in the previous 8 using a monohydrate....

[ATownDRock]

I'm currently using SciFit Creatine Monohydrate and I have noticed good gains in strength and mass to go along with my bulking diet.

[yodadude16]

bottom line...cellmass :P

[djbaum]

I've still got some Size-On left over from the Arnold last year... I took it for a bit when I got it, but didn't see any difference and didn't stick with it.

My question is, do you think its worth another shot and finishing the tub?
If so, then when should I take it?

[Fernando789]

green mag ftw

[Dan O Mac]

PURPLE-K


Kre-Alkalyn Creatine.

No bloat, NO retention, and no loading... pH rating of 14 doesn't it doesn't break down but fully absorbs.

I've had excellent results with it. I've had more clean mass gains in the last 4 weeks than in the previous 8 using a monohydrate....

Do you take it pre and post-wo? I take Energized Xpand pre for the boost it gives me, and it's not strictly a NO product as it has a full serving of creatine. One of the guys at my supps store told me to take the Purple K pre anyway, but he's new so I don't really trust him, could be trying to make me go through my supply faster :p

[mrk23]

LOL @ the people that voted for Cell Mass. You guys do know that Cell Mass actually has NO CEM3 in it, right? Also, there is a possibility of camourin (a toxin) being included as well.

[changst3r]

LOL @ the people that voted for Cell Mass. You guys do know that Cell Mass actually has NO CEM3 in it, right? Also, there is a possibility of camourin (a toxin) being included as well.

oh, really?



640 Grams Arctic Berry Blast
Supplement Facts
Serving Size1Scoop(16g) ??
Servings Per Container40

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value*

Calories 40
Total Carbohydrates 10g 3%
Sugars 0g **
Calcium 80mg 8%
Phosphorus 150mg 15%
Sodium 70mg 3%
Potassium 140mg 4%

CEM3?(Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate)Patent Pending 3000mg **
Glutamine AKG 2000mg **
Muscle Cell Uptake Proprietary Matrix 950mg **
Cinnulin PF? (Aqueous Cinnamon Extract)
Di-Calcium Phospate
Di-Potassium Phosphate
Di-Sodium Phosphate

* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet
** Daily Value not established

Other Ingredients
Modified Glucose Polymers (Maltodextrin), Natural And Artificial Flavors, Potassium Citrate, Citric Acid, Sucralose(Splenda?), Calcium Silicate, FD&C Red #40

source:http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bsn/cell.html

[weightlifter46]

SciFit's Krealkalyn is the absolute best. Tried many, many creatine products. No loading, bloating or runs and awesome results. All the guys at my gym that have tried it love it and the price is great too.

[Jaybo1]

CrEE-1200 Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL & Met-Rx Pure are what ive been usin...cant say ive noticed much yet..but i have only been at it 3 months XD

i prefer the tablets though as opposed to the poweder...the powders kinda gritty n needs faffin about with..

[CONTROLLED LABS]

green mag ftw

cant go wrong with green mag and bb.com has free samples of both flavors right now :)

[djbaum]

SciFit's Krealkalyn is the absolute best. Tried many, many creatine products. No loading, bloating or runs and awesome results. All the guys at my gym that have tried it love it and the price is great too.

I've got a bottle of this that I haven' openned yet. When is best to take it???

[neovirus]

taking universal creatine powder ...:)

[Gym God]

Do you take it pre and post-wo? I take Energized Xpand pre for the boost it gives me, and it's not strictly a NO product as it has a full serving of creatine. One of the guys at my supps store told me to take the Purple K pre anyway, but he's new so I don't really trust him, could be trying to make me go through my supply faster :p

Take your Energized Xpand pre-workout and the PURPLE-K post-workout. Take 1 serving of PURPLE-K on your non-workout days. There you go - you're set. :)

[nwkimbrough]

I've still got some Size-On left over from the Arnold last year... I took it for a bit when I got it, but didn't see any difference and didn't stick with it.

My question is, do you think its worth another shot and finishing the tub?
If so, then when should I take it?

Take it during your workout, or before bed on non-training days. I finds it adds that extra punch to my workouts. Just make sure to mix with plenty of water, or just drink plenty of water.

[djbaum]

Take it during your workout, or before bed on non-training days. I finds it adds that extra punch to my workouts. Just make sure to mix with plenty of water, or just drink plenty of water.

Thanks. Will do.

[berniemack83]

Yeah did you know that they are recalling all CELMASS products

[djbaum]

Yeah did you know that they are recalling all CELMASS products

What's the reason? BB.com rates it so high? I've never tried it myself...

[JIGSAW]

Yeah did you know that they are recalling all CELMASS products

Where did you read this? hahahahaha

[Archilla]

Where did you read this? hahahahaha

http://www.tga.gov.au/recalls/2007/vpx.htm

but it only seems to be in australia and the UK, yet to see anything about USA recalling it.

[yodadude16]

Yeah did you know that they are recalling all CELMASS products

no they arent. not in the U.S. anyways...get your facts right. thanks

[djbaum]

no they arent. not in the U.S. anyways...get your facts right. thanks

Yup. Looks like only in Australia.

[waytallwhitey]

I'm really new here, (this is only my third post!) and I've spent the past few days reading all the info in this thread trying to gain some knowledge about creatine, and I must say it's all a bit overwhelming!

I put all the posts regarding the different brands into a spread sheet and below are my top 10. Please keep in mind I wasn't able to keep track if someone had posted twice for particular product; with over 750 posts it was just too much to sort through! I tried to be as accurate as possible, but if someone has more definite findings, please share them!

1.) BSN Cell Mass (45)
2.) Gaspari Size On (43)
3.) Science Fitness Krealylin (14)
4.) Muscle Tech Cell Tech (11)
5.) Pro Mera Health Con-Crete (9)
6.) Control Labs Green Mag (9)
7.) EAS Phosphogen (8)
8.) Sans V-Turbo (6)
9.) Vitargo CGL (6)
10.) Ultimate Nutrition Horse Power (6)

As you can see, Cell Mass and Size On were neck and neck through it all, and the consensus seems to be that these products work best when coupled with their brand's NO products; NO Xplode for Cell Mass and SuperPump 250 for Size On.

Most folks that posted seem to be brand loyal, but also seemed to be open to trying other brands. Only one brand had a few negative posts, but I will hold off on posting that here; if anyone really would like to know without reading through all the posts, you can pm me and I'll let you know.

Enjoy!

[yodadude16]

So far, the best stack i have come across was the BSN N.O. xplode and cellmass stack with a good amount of protein. Right now, i am taking a muscletech stack which consist of their nano vapor and anabolic halo, and i havent been seeing as great of reults as i have with the BSN stack in the past. but, i will finish up my 3 month cycle and let yall know what i think. Keep in mind that everyone responds differently to different things, so what might work great for me, might make you fat, but eventually you will find what works good for you.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I'm really new here, (this is only my third post!) and I've spent the past few days reading all the info in this thread trying to gain some knowledge about creatine, and I must say it's all a bit overwhelming!

I put all the posts regarding the different brands into a spread sheet and below are my top 10. Please keep in mind I wasn't able to keep track if someone had posted twice for particular product; with over 750 posts it was just too much to sort through! I tried to be as accurate as possible, but if someone has more definite findings, please share them!

1.) BSN Cell Mass (45)
2.) Gaspari Size On (43)
3.) Science Fitness Krealylin (14)
4.) Muscle Tech Cell Tech (11)
5.) Pro Mera Health Con-Crete (9)
6.) Control Labs Green Mag (9)
7.) EAS Phosphogen (8)
8.) Sans V-Turbo (6)
9.) Vitargo CGL (6)
10.) Ultimate Nutrition Horse Power (6)

As you can see, Cell Mass and Size On were neck and neck through it all, and the consensus seems to be that these products work best when coupled with their brand's NO products; NO Xplode for Cell Mass and SuperPump 250 for Size On.

Most folks that posted seem to be brand loyal, but also seemed to be open to trying other brands. Only one brand had a few negative posts, but I will hold off on posting that here; if anyone really would like to know without reading through all the posts, you can pm me and I'll let you know.

Enjoy!

dont forget, the brands that have the most ads and have been around the longest will get the most votes. search the main section for each to find real feedback ;)

[peteyr1]

http://www.tga.gov.au/recalls/2007/vpx.htm

but it only seems to be in australia and the UK, yet to see anything about USA recalling it.

Shyt..didnt know that. THanks for the info.

Createne wise,currently using Green MAG and liking it:)

[hokiebird]

If you had to pick just ONE creatine product, what would be the best one for the best results?

Please pick a product and include the brand. Give your reasons. The best answers will be displayed on the main Bodybuilding.com site for millions of people to see!

(Note: This is not a discussion about how or when to take creatine, if creatine works, or why some creatines do not work. Just list your absolute favorite creatine product and give your detailed reason.)

I tried cell mass by BSN and I would have to say that it is the best creatine I have ever taken. Not to mention I did not swell up in my belly like a pig... no water weight was visible. Recovery was speedy also.

[hokiebird]

Cell Mass by BSN. I generally don't like BSN's **** like N.O.Xplode or Nitrix, but cel mass did get me a lot stronger even though it is pricey. And both the punch and grape flavors taste awesome.


NO Explode is one of my favorites.... I get so many more reps when I am taking it.

[hokiebird]

creatine dont work

I would not agree with that... it works for me.. anyone else?

[hokiebird]

Cell tech


I hear that a lot and it does seem to work for some people. When I took it it made me have strength increases.. but looked bloated because of all the sugar... so I discontinued it... but searched and found that GNC label Creatine Burst has the same things in it without the sugar.

[djbaum]

NO Explode is one of my favorites.... I get so many more reps when I am taking it.

I agree. NO Xplode is by far one of the top, if not the top, NO product on the market. I've used it on and off for years and love it.

Some more reps for you...

[sdg]

I use creatamax extreme but am only just starting out so have no comparisons. How does it rate please? Compared to others

[Pridehurtsform]

pump fuel....hands down

[mloader]

ProLab (mono) in 6oz grape juice has worked the best for me. I have tried all different kinds over the last 10 years or so and every time I go back to pro labs, I get the best results.

[liionel]

for a beginner, is creatine mono okay? should i go with pills or powder ?

deciding btwn eas phosphagen, my area's own creatine mono(online reseller's brand), and green bulge.

currently i do have whiteblood from CL and wish to stack it with a creatine.

any advise is greatly appreciated. :)

[cb275]

Iv just started on EAS mono creatine and my god it makes me feel light headed, and i keep necking down the water! could it be to do with my blood sugar level?

[hokiebird]

for a beginner, is creatine mono okay? should i go with pills or powder ?

deciding btwn eas phosphagen, my area's own creatine mono(online reseller's brand), and green bulge.

currently i do have whiteblood from CL and wish to stack it with a creatine.

any advise is greatly appreciated. :)

I am a firm believer the powder works the best... not saying the pill form wil not work though.

[jeremyleinen]

I'd maybe go with NO Xplode. I've never thought much of creatine, but my workouts defenitely improved while I was on that stuff. I know people hate BSN, but I actually thought that was a pretty good product.

As far as the pill creatine goes... I took ****'s CR2 for a while. In the beginning, I felt like it may have been working, but after a while it was really just a waste of money.

[liionel]

hmm, so i should go for eas phosphagen then. any other powdered form creatine monos to recommend ?

[Archilla]

Due to all the talk about it, and from 3 of my buddies recommendations, i have decided to go with Controlled Labs Green MAG. I've heard nothing but good things, and it seems to be the right product for me.

I'll keep everyone updated once it arrives, and hopefully it lives up to the hype :).

[SMallory]

Is Nx Labs Anavol Hardcore any good?
OrMRI CE2?

[djbaum]

Due to all the talk about it, and from 3 of my buddies recommendations, i have decided to go with Controlled Labs Green MAG. I've heard nothing but good things, and it seems to be the right product for me.

I'll keep everyone updated once it arrives, and hopefully it lives up to the hype :).

I heard the same great things about Purple Waath by Controlled Labs. I got some and can barely choke it down. Terrible stuff. Makes me nautious. I haven't tried Green Mag yet, but have some samples. Best of luck. I truly hope you didn't waste you money on Controlled Labs like I did.

Oh, and I've heard White Flood is undrinkable aswell, but I can't say for sure. Haven't tried it. Just a heads up.

[CROWLER]

I have heard a lot of people say they taste VERY good and CL is a GREAT company. I am sure they will refund your money if they really are that bad tasting to you.


CROWLER

[richc]

i tried a sample od purple wrath and id have to aggree, the taste is disgusting (and im not very picky) and it made me feel somewhat sick, im not even sure i want to try the green mag sample i have.

ive tried bsn cell mass and no explode and thought they were good products, ive also tried cell tech, worked great but the bloating and sugar crash are too much for me. its seems pretty overwhelming response about size on, im going to try it in the next few weeks

[Marco90]

Is Nx Labs Anavol Hardcore any good?
OrMRI CE2?

I take regular Anavol and it works quite well, you can see results on vascularity three days in

[djbaum]

i tried a sample od purple wrath and id have to aggree, the taste is disgusting (and im not very picky) and it made me feel somewhat sick, im not even sure i want to try the green mag sample i have.

ive tried bsn cell mass and no explode and thought they were good products, ive also tried cell tech, worked great but the bloating and sugar crash are too much for me. its seems pretty overwhelming response about size on, im going to try it in the next few weeks

Ah, so you feel my pain. Reps. I'm not sure I'm gonna try the sample either. I've used NO Xplode for years and love it. I'm using Size-On right now, but only for about a week...

[Monty23]

As others have stated, the taste of Purple Wraath, for me personally atleast, was awful. I felt sick after tasting it. Hard to describe, but it tasted like a black cherry cough medicine with a nasty aftertaste.

I didn't really like the sour apple green mag, it was way too sweet. However, someone who enjoys sour apple probably would like it.

I LOVED the lemonade, which was the sample I first tried. The products worked pretty well, hard to tell. I will be buying the full product shortly.

[djbaum]

As others have stated, the taste of Purple Wraath, for me personally atleast, was awful. I felt sick after tasting it. Hard to describe, but it tasted like a black cherry cough medicine with a nasty aftertaste.

I didn't really like the sour apple green mag, it was way too sweet. However, someone who enjoys sour apple probably would like it.

I LOVED the lemonade, which was the sample I first tried. The products worked pretty well, hard to tell. I will be buying the full product shortly.

Reps. I'll have to give my lemonade sample on try based on this. Thanks.

[WUPride2011]

I currently use AST Creatine Monohydrate. You get like a years supply for a very reasonable price (got it a month or so ago so I'm not exactly sure of the price. I also use NO Xplode. I was wondering If using to creatine containing products is bad? Anyone have any idea about that?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

for a beginner, is creatine mono okay? should i go with pills or powder ?

deciding btwn eas phosphagen, my area's own creatine mono(online reseller's brand), and green bulge.

currently i do have whiteblood from CL and wish to stack it with a creatine.

any advise is greatly appreciated. :)
green bulge and white blood make a great stack

Due to all the talk about it, and from 3 of my buddies recommendations, i have decided to go with Controlled Labs Green MAG. I've heard nothing but good things, and it seems to be the right product for me.

I'll keep everyone updated once it arrives, and hopefully it lives up to the hype :).
you should love it, the effects are great and many on here have said its the best tasting supplement on the market (in both flavors)

I heard the same great things about Purple Waath by Controlled Labs. I got some and can barely choke it down. Terrible stuff. Makes me nautious. I haven't tried Green Mag yet, but have some samples. Best of luck. I truly hope you didn't waste you money on Controlled Labs like I did.

Oh, and I've heard White Flood is undrinkable aswell, but I can't say for sure. Haven't tried it. Just a heads up.
how many grams does your purple wraath say on the front?

did you mix each scoop with 20 ounces of cold water and let it sit for 15 minutes before drinking? the newest version (shipping for the past 6+ months tastes great)

the new white flood, which bb.com has been shipping for the last 6 months tastes great (the original one didnt taste as good)

i tried a sample od purple wrath and id have to aggree, the taste is disgusting (and im not very picky) and it made me feel somewhat sick, im not even sure i want to try the green mag sample i have.

you may have gotten the samples with the old formula. request a new one and I think you will now like it :)

again, the green mag tastes like candy, give it a shot :)

[smitsky]

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did you mix each scoop with 20 ounces of cold water and let it sit for 15 minutes before drinking? the newest version (shipping for the past 6+ months tastes great)
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X2

Controlled Labs stuff is great!

[Mobuild]

what do u think about "GNC Creatine Monohydrate" ??

[Gym God]

As others have stated, the taste of Purple Wraath, for me personally atleast, was awful.

It is a different taste but I thought it was pretty good.

[FearNoWeight]

what do u think about "GNC Creatine Monohydrate" ??

I've been taking it for a year straight without cycling off (not that it matters anyways) and sometimes I forget that I'm even on the stuff because it seems so normal to me.

Good gains in strength on the GNC Brand, and which ultimately lead to increased muscular size too. I mixed it with half a serving of powdered Gatorade, and felt pretty good in the gym.

I just bought a bottle of Purple K today to try something new. I initially wanted Green Bulge but it's out of stock and I'm an impulsive buyer (the guy said Green Bulge is a waste because they try to pack so much "extras" in a pill).

Anyways, when there is a stock of Green Bulge I'm going to get some of that as well.

On a final note, I have tried a sample of Green Magnitude and LOVED IT. It gave me insane energy in the gym on top of my pissed off mood. I was moving weights like there was no tomorrow!! Ha ha.

[mitchchapman]

For anyone who uses Dymatize Xpand Creatine. I play hockey in the morning, and workout in the evening. The serving instuctions say to only take 1 scoop pre - workout and 1 scoop post-workout. Would it be too much to take 1 pre hockey post hockey, and 1 pre work out post work out, for a total of 4 scoops in a day?

[hokiebird]

hmm, so i should go for eas phosphagen then. any other powdered form creatine monos to recommend ?


I went to GNC over the weekend and I purchased some new creatine (pill form) it is called KRE-ALKALYN) i DO NOT THINK i WILL NEVER TAKE ANY OTHER CREATINE... no water weight what so ever.. no loading phase.. and i can tell a big difference in recovery time. Not to mention that over 90% of it is absorbed compared to like 40 % of other creatines. I am taking it along with NO Explode (my favorite) Got lots of energy.. strength, endurance.. and not to mention a rock hard pump. Study about this new creatine and see what you think... pretty cheap also.. I got a bottle.. 3 month supply for 32.00... you take one before the workout and then one after... just 2 a day.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I just bought a bottle of Purple K today to try something new. I initially wanted Green Bulge but it's out of stock and I'm an impulsive buyer (the guy said Green Bulge is a waste because they try to pack so much "extras" in a pill).

Anyways, when there is a stock of Green Bulge I'm going to get some of that as well.

On a final note, I have tried a sample of Green Magnitude and LOVED IT. It gave me insane energy in the gym on top of my pissed off mood. I was moving weights like there was no tomorrow!! Ha ha.
green bulge is fully dosed and has a ton of great feedback.

dont know where it is out of stock, but why not buy from bb.com?

glad you loved the green mag sample.

[liionel]

I went to GNC over the weekend and I purchased some new creatine (pill form) it is called KRE-ALKALYN) i DO NOT THINK i WILL NEVER TAKE ANY OTHER CREATINE... no water weight what so ever.. no loading phase.. and i can tell a big difference in recovery time. Not to mention that over 90% of it is absorbed compared to like 40 % of other creatines. I am taking it along with NO Explode (my favorite) Got lots of energy.. strength, endurance.. and not to mention a rock hard pump. Study about this new creatine and see what you think... pretty cheap also.. I got a bottle.. 3 month supply for 32.00... you take one before the workout and then one after... just 2 a day.

interesting, kre alk from which company? theres plenty. but i'm still abit inclined toward phosphagen and regular mono. want to get smth that works because it lasts for 2mths. dont want to regret my purchase.

[hokiebird]

interesting, kre alk from which company? theres plenty. but i'm still abit inclined toward phosphagen and regular mono. want to get smth that works because it lasts for 2mths. dont want to regret my purchase.

EFX.. I think.. not sure because I do not have it with me.. I will check and let you know... I like it thus far.. feel strong.

[djbaum]

how many grams does your purple wraath say on the front?

did you mix each scoop with 20 ounces of cold water and let it sit for 15 minutes before drinking? the newest version (shipping for the past 6+ months tastes great)


542 grams. I have mixed it with between 15-25oz of water depending on the time, and let it sit for 20 mins. Tastes like sugary hell and makes me nausious. What can I say? I don't like the product at all. Just the way I feel. I don't think I'll go near a Controlled Labs product again.

[Archilla]

542 grams. I have mixed it with between 15-25oz of water depending on the time, and let it sit for 20 mins. Tastes like sugary hell and makes me nausious. What can I say? I don't like the product at all. Just the way I feel. I don't think I'll go near a Controlled Labs product again.

If you're a fan of Kool-Aid, try the sour apple flavored sample.

If that doesn't turn you, idk what will. :)

[richc]

you may have gotten the samples with the old formula. request a new one and I think you will now like it :)



to get another sample i would need to order something, my next order will be for my pre workout supp and creatine, getting a sample then would be kinda pointless since i will have already decided on my stack, i got the sample of cl products hoping to be impressed and go with one of your stacks but i could not stomach the pw again. maybe you can send me a new sample so i can try it again before i place my next order from bb.com

[richc]

...also
is green mag stable in water, to be sipped on throughout a workout or do you need to drink imidiatly after mixing?

[nasty210]

Nothing better than the 100% pure creatine monohydrate...Get it and use it...if it doesnt work for ya than no other form of creatine will...And what most dont relieze is you have to have a nice glucose drink with the creatine, in order to get the full potential of absorbtion in muscles..Thats way most people feel that other forms do better, for example cell tech hardcore.etc..because it is full of sugars that help the muscle to absorb creatine..I hope this is useful!

[richc]

Nothing better than the 100% pure creatine monohydrate...Get it and use it...if it doesnt work for ya than no other form of creatine will...And what most dont relieze is you have to have a nice glucose drink with the creatine, in order to get the full potential of absorbtion in muscles..Thats way most people feel that other forms do better, for example cell tech hardcore.etc..because it is full of sugars that help the muscle to absorb creatine..I hope this is useful!

this is true but with plain mono and a sugary drink you still dont solve the issue of creatine being converted to creatinine in your stomach, this is what causes that awfull stomach bloat, the main reason i dont use cell tech, if it wasnt for that cell tech would probably be my creatine of choice.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

to get another sample i would need to order something, my next order will be for my pre workout supp and creatine, getting a sample then would be kinda pointless since i will have already decided on my stack, i got the sample of cl products hoping to be impressed and go with one of your stacks but i could not stomach the pw again. maybe you can send me a new sample so i can try it again before i place my next order from bb.com
absolutely, send me your address to tank@controlledlabs.com.

...also
is green mag stable in water, to be sipped on throughout a workout or do you need to drink imidiatly after mixing?
yes, creatine is stable in water for weeks:


http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/tallon8.htm

[richc]

absolutely, send me your address to tank@controlledlabs.com.

yes, creatine is stable in water for weeks:


http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/tallon8.htm


would you suggest using as a intra workout supp or is green not mag not as efffective this way? if taken post workout, do i need to wait before drinking my protein shake or can i dump the shake right on top of the green mag?

[djbaum]

Tried the Green Mag Lemonade sample today. Actually really good. Maybe all Controlled Labs products don't taste bad after all. I'm trying the Sour Apple next...

[TheFugitive]

check out Labrada's crealean 2 ethyl ester creatine...works great no bloat...not much muscle gain, but really works you'll feel stronger on you first dose and it's cheap 17.99 a bottle 120 caps can't beat it...screw cell mass it's junk there getting sued for false ingredients I wondered why I always felt weaker when I used it...buy the crealean 2 you love it.

[yodadude16]

check out Labrada's crealean 2 ethyl ester creatine...works great no bloat...not much muscle gain, but really works you'll feel stronger on you first dose and it's cheap 17.99 a bottle 120 caps can't beat it...screw cell mass it's junk there getting sued for false ingredients I wondered why I always felt weaker when I used it...buy the crealean 2 you love it.

LOL Cellmass is probably the best creatine i have ever used. I saw the greatest gains when i was on a cellmass/n.o. xplode cycle.

[WaistofSpace]

So which creatine is the best to start out with? Been doing my thing with protein and multi and now looking to add a creatine in there. Like all simpletons, I am looking to lose the "I work 12 hours a day" gut while adding/keeping muscle.

[hokiebird]

LOL Cellmass is probably the best creatine i have ever used. I saw the greatest gains when i was on a cellmass/n.o. xplode cycle.


I would have to agree.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

would you suggest using as a intra workout supp or is green not mag not as efffective this way? if taken post workout, do i need to wait before drinking my protein shake or can i dump the shake right on top of the green mag?
purple wraath intra and green mag half pre and half post

Tried the Green Mag Lemonade sample today. Actually really good. Maybe all Controlled Labs products don't taste bad after all. I'm trying the Sour Apple next...

yup, you will love the green apple too, it's like candy :)

[dxest1989]

I have CL green bulge. I have no idea when i should take it. Although it says to take it pre workout that makes no sense to me seeing how everything i have read says that creatine gives you no energy and that it takes a while to absorb into your system. any suggestions when i should take it?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I have CL green bulge. I have no idea when i should take it. Although it says to take it pre workout that makes no sense to me seeing how everything i have read says that creatine gives you no energy and that it takes a while to absorb into your system. any suggestions when i should take it?
pre, its more than just creatine ;)

[dxest1989]

would if be fine to take with super pump 250...and i was also thinking about buying CL creatine mono?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

would if be fine to take with super pump 250...and i was also thinking about buying CL creatine mono?

sure, or white flood

[LiveOnce]

Was deciding to go with either Size-On or GreenMag, as they both get stellar reviews. Decided to go with the Size On this time around, but will be sure to try GreenMag in the near future. I'll update how everything is going with this product and write a detailed review upon completion.

[scotthfsu]

Was deciding to go with either Size-On or GreenMag, as they both get stellar reviews. Decided to go with the Size On this time around, but will be sure to try GreenMag in the near future. I'll update how everything is going with this product and write a detailed review upon completion.

Just an FYI for you bud before you go with the Size On; I managed multiple supplement stores 3 years ago so i took advantage of a lot of the products. I tried a variety of the creatine products at the time and after leaving the supplement market i was not particularly interested in the creatine fad anymore.

About 3 months ago, i decided to give the ol creatine a try again and i went with Size On after reading tons of mixed reviews. Again, everyone may experience different results but i can honestly say that Size On was the worst creatine aid i have ever taken. The only effects i captured was increased energy for about 25-45 minutes while drinking in my workout. No strength, and no size was experienced. I even took 2 tubs to give the product the beneifit of the doubt because i know creatine can take a few weeks to really get in your system, but nothing after 7 weeks.

I recommend a micronized creatine; just pure creatine.
Again, just my opinion and feedback

[smitsky]

...seeing how everything i have read says that creatine gives you no energy...

What? :(

Everything I've read says that Creatine gives you energy.

Creatine gives me energy! :D

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Was deciding to go with either Size-On or GreenMag, as they both get stellar reviews. Decided to go with the Size On this time around, but will be sure to try GreenMag in the near future. I'll update how everything is going with this product and write a detailed review upon completion.

thanks, keep us posted on your green magnitude results as feedback is very important to us :)

[LiveOnce]

Controlled Labs or anyone else who has taken Size-On, What is the best type of routine/split to get the optimal usage and size gain results?

[powerhouse23]

size on is ftw

[mikecart1]

American Creatine

[miketl]

i think sizeon is pretty good.

[-JC-]

I started something new this week from GNC - CE2 Hi-Def anybody have any feed back on this?

[thadaz]

what do ppl think about bsn's cellmass vs high powers 100% creatine mono, which is the #1 selling creatine product here.

cellmass seems like they have something in it that i havent heard of before or isnt that common in other creatine supplements?

[richc]

Controlled Labs or anyone else who has taken Size-On, What is the best type of routine/split to get the optimal usage and size gain results?

i dont think your split has anything to do with the effectivness of creatine, personally when cutting i use a back/bi chest/tri type of split working multiple muscles as opposed to bulking when i do just on body part a day but this has more to do with the damage to the muscles and allowing ample recovery time than the use of my creatine

[allisonb]

I love cellmass, didn't care much for sizeon.

[GrimRep_er]

I started something new this week from GNC - CE2 Hi-Def anybody have any feed back on this?
I tried it. I didn't care for it. The GNC guy talked me into it. He says it workd great for him, but I didn't notice much of anything. Maybe, and I mean maybe, I got a tiny bit stronger, but I might have been pushing myself harder knowing I was taking a supp. I used it for over 2 weeks and just swithced things up. I bought sizon on to replace it. I've read a lot of positive things on here about it, and looked online for reg. customer reviews. Today will be the first day I lift using it, so I can't say how it is in comparison. Give it a shot, everyone seems different, I've heard people on here say NOXplode did nothing for them and I thought it was great. Good luck, hope you have better results than I did.

[thadaz]

from what ive read the ones ive narrowed it down to possibly trying is
sizeon, green bulge and bsn cellmass...

i was initially going to try cellmass but with the recent controversies re: that particular product has put me right off this also put me off http://www.tga.gov.au/recalls/2007/vpx.htm

so are people still happy to continue using bsn cellmass despite knowing that it may potentially fail to offer what it's claiming?

[nwkimbrough]

from what ive read the ones ive narrowed it down to possibly trying is
sizeon, green bulge and bsn cellmass...

i was initially going to try cellmass but with the recent controversies re: that particular product has put me right off this also put me off http://www.tga.gov.au/recalls/2007/vpx.htm

so are people still happy to continue using bsn cellmass despite knowing that it may potentially fail to offer what it's claiming?

Stick with SizeOn or Green Bulge. They are solid creatine formulas with proven results. I've used SizeOn in the past, and it is amazing. Great results!

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Stick with SizeOn or Green Bulge. They are solid creatine formulas with proven results. I've used SizeOn in the past, and it is amazing. Great results!

glad you enjoyed green bulge. have you tried green mag?

[nwkimbrough]

glad you enjoyed green bulge. have you tried green mag?

That's the next one on my list. Tried the sample packs, and loved the effects GM had, and the flavor of both was outstanding! I'm actually getting that w/ GG and OT. I already use PW, and it's flat out awesome!! I'll be doing a log when I get the entire stack rolling.