Best Overall Creatine Product?

[SHADY6]

what creatine is that bro that your talking about. ive been using cell tech what you think about it.

[Rookie18]

just caved and bought more green mag. I wish it weren't so expensive, i could have sworn I used to get it at half price. But it's definitely good! :)

chris

[CONTROLLED LABS]

just caved and bought more green mag. I wish it weren't so expensive, i could have sworn I used to get it at half price. But it's definitely good! :)

chris

glad you kept with it as its a great choice. for a non commodity product its one of the cheapest around 80 servings/days for 36 bucks at bb.com (after 10% coupon)

[aliquis]

I've read that when you take Creatine if it's not fully in solution when you consume it, it will draw water out of your small intestines, causing diarrhea. So i think if you take Creatine in capsule form, you'll have diarrhea? I'm going to buy Creatine Ethyl Ester and Kre-alkalyn but i'm not so sure about buying them in capsule form, i'm afraid it will give me diarrhea...
What does the CEE mixed in water taste like? does it taste like N-Acetyl L-Glutamine? and won't it burn your stomach (i read it tastes like battery acid) if you have gastritis? and how dow Kre-alkalyn powder mixed in water taste like? Please help, maybe some of you have used both capsules and powder. Is SciFit Kre-alkalyn powder any good?Wow, you're really listing kinda two of the worst creatine candidates.

CEE have been claimed to be everything Creatine Monohydrate was claimed not to be. Notice CLAIMED though, since in actual studies it has failed completely vs creatine monohydrate.

Kre-Alkalyn is also another bull**** product there they talk a lot about how inferior creatine monohydrate is even though those claims are wrong and they have never proven them. Some people really like kre-alkalyn so I guess it either have a strong placebo effect for paying so much for the crap or it really works. But there are no PROOF it works and the only study I've seen it actually broke down to MORE creatinine than creatine-monohydrate did ..

Personally I bought Green Magnitude last time because I had read a good review or two on a forum I visit and sour apple sounded delicious. I can't find anything in the ingredient list which make me interested though. I don't give a **** about taurine, betaine anhydrous seem better for meateaters and I get my tyrosine pre-workout instead. So the advantage whould hay to be in the creatine forms used, of which I have no idea. I throw in some creatine monohydrate to since if uptake really is bad of some form (which I doubt... since creatine monohydrate atleast has been shown to work in plenty of studies and experience by people) the more forms the better =P

I would recommend you to get straight cheap ass creatine monohydrate and save your money for more valuable stuff such as essential amino acids or stimulants (caffeine.)

I haven't tried acetyl-glutamine but I have tried acetyl-carnitine I guess you can kinda imagine the taste by this "guide":

Citrate - citric acid, as i imagine is found in for instance lemons.
Malate - malic acid, as in found in apples.
Acetyl - vinegar/acetum
Ethyl Ester - etanol / alcohol
Monohydrate - water

So will it taste like acetyl-glutamine? No, most likely not. CEE taste somewhat like alcohol, and is really gross. And considering it's **** (proven by studies) and marketed by bull**** (not backed up by studies) I'd say avoid it.

[aliquis]

i have a question for guys who have actually used CEE or Kre-alkalyn: do u have to take your daily dose (let's say you only take 2g once a day) right before you workout or you can take it the day before and your body stores it? let's say you workout at 12pm can you take your daily dose everyday at 6pm?There are no magic creatine products, I don't buy the "omg no need to loading" bullcrap. You don't have to load with creatine monohydrate either, just take 3-5 gram / day and eventually your body will have stored up as much as it can. I don't buy the "no bloat" crap as in bloated body either, creatine makes muscles hold more water, if your body store more creatine it will store more water along it, but so what? Who don't want more "free muscle"?

Your body holds and stores creatine the whole time, the reason to supplement it is to try to get it to store and hold more. The best way to take it is to spread out the doses or in the case of just one take it after the workout, eventually it may help to get it down with some carbs or food to.

CEE is ****:

Numerous creatine formulations have been developed primarily to maximize creatine absorption. Creatine ethyl ester is alleged to increase creatine bio Availability. This study examined how a seven-week supplementation regimen combined with resistance training affected body composition, muscle mass, muscle strength and power, serum and muscle creatine levels, and serum creatinine levels in 30 non-resistance-trained males. In a double-blind manner, participants were randomly assigned to a maltodextrose placebo (PLA), creatine monohydrate (CRT), or creatine ethyl ester (CEE) group. The supplements were orally ingested at a dose of 0.30 g/kg fat-free body mass (approximately 20 g/day) for five days followed by ingestion at 0.075 g/kg fat free mass (approximately 5 g/day) for 42 days. Results showed significantly higher serum creatine concentrations in PLA (p = 0.007) and CRT (p = 0.005) compared to CEE. Serum creatinine was greater in CEE compared to the PLA (p = 0.001) and CRT (p = 0.001) and increased at days 6, 27, and 48. Total muscle creatine content was significantly higher in CRT (p = 0.026) and CEE (p = 0.041) compared to PLA, with no differences between CRT and CEE. Significant changes over time were observed for body composition, body water, muscle strength and power variables, but no significant differences were observed between groups. In conclusion, when compared to creatine monohydrate, creatine ethyl ester was not as effective at increasing serum and muscle creatine levels or in improving body composition, muscle mass, strength, and power. Therefore, the improvements in these variables can most likely be attributed to the training protocol itself, rather than the supplementation regimen.
Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition 2009, 6:6 Published: 19 February 2009, ht__tp:__/__/w__ww.jissn.com/content/6/1/6/abstract

Kre-alkalyn most likely is **** to (they haven't proven otherwise except marketing bull****:

Tallon MJ and Child R

University of Northumbria, Sport Sciences, Northumbria University, Northumberland Building, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom, Department of Life Sciences, Kingston University, Penrhyn Rd, Kingston-upon-Thames, United Kingdom. DrTallon@CR-Technologies.net


Quote:
All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp. (Billings, MT, USA) claim that Kre-alkalyn? (KA) a "Buffered" creatine, is 100% stable in stomach acid and does not convert to creatinine. In contrast, they also claim that creatine monohydrate (CM) is highly pH labile with more than 90% of the creatine converting to the degradation product creatinine in stomach acids. To date, no independent or university laboratory has evaluated the stability of KA in stomach acids, assessed its possible conversion to creatinine, or made direct comparisons of acid stability with CM.

This study examined whether KA supplementation reduced the rate of creatine conversion to creatinine, relative to commercially available CM (Creapure?). Creatine products were analyzed by an independent commercial laboratory using testing guidelines recommended by the United States Pharmacopeia (USP). Each product was incubated in 900ml of pH 1 HCL at 37? +/- 1?C and samples where drawn at 5, 30 and 120 minutes and immediately analyzed by HPLC (UV) for creatine and creatinine.

In contrast to the claims of All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp., the rate of creatinine formation from CM was found to be less than 1% of the initial dose, demonstrating that CM is extremely stable under acidic conditions that replicate those of the stomach. This study also showed that KA supplementation actually resulted in 35% greater conversion of creatine to creatinine than CM. In conclusion the conversion of creatine to creatinine is not a limitation in the delivery of creatine from CM and KA is less stable than CM in the acid conditions of the stomach.Kre-alkalyn? supplementation has no beneficial effect on creatine-to-creatinine conversion rates.

Feel free to buy the crap if you want to but be aware of what it is, and don't hype the crap for others or show off as someone who knows better or have found the awesomest product just to make yourself feel better from having bought the crap.

[aliquis]

awesome, which flavor green magnitude did you go with?

its on sale now for 25% off in the bb.com store ;)Wow, you're really serious about trying to sell your products =P

I wanted sour apple here in Sweden but guess it was out so got electric lemonade, can't say I appreciate it =P. Sour apple sounded so awesome, damnit =P

Purple wraath grape is nice, and I like the smell of both purple wraath, reminds me of an african store selling insense and textiles and other scary stuff =P

White Flood + inositol + tyrosine is nice. I also like the "ginger bread smell" (swedish "pepparkaka") =P

[aliquis]

I am taking EFX Kre-Alklyn! Waste of money. I was told this is the best creatine to take, so i spent loads of money on this. Trust me no gains in any form. Stick to monhonadrate all the way and is alot cheaper.See my post 2-3 posts above =P.

Their claims about creatine monohydrate are lies if anything, and one can only assume the rest is to. They market it as if it was some super duper molecule of it's own but the patent says it's a mixture of some well known creatine forms with some alkaline crap. If anything they haven't proven it to be superior. Don't trust stupid claims.

I read some study which said this choline based thing raised GH 44 fold! Well, sounded nice, except that was at peak vs pre-workout, and people took the supplement 90 minutes pre-workout. At pre-workout time GH was 1/10 of the placebo group and at peak it was 68% higher than placebogroup, so 44 fold increment? Yes, vs pre-workout, but no-way close to placebo group. They only tell you what they want to tell you if the study is sponsored by the manufacturers. Also working out or sleeping or starving alone increase GH, not that GH does much for muscle growth at all anyway ..

[NO HYPE]

I would recommend you to get straight cheap ass creatine monohydrate

Then you'd be missing out on some of the unique benefits of C-BOL. :)



So the advantage whould hay to be in the creatine forms used, of which I have no idea.


Creatine nitrate & Creatine HCL.





Creatine Nitrate

Creatine nitrate is the ground breaking new creatine form developed, patended and marketed exclusively by Thermolife International. After many attempts to improve the creatine molecule's properties, Thermolife is proud to introduce the first form of creatine that actually has improved characteristics without introducing a second molecule. So what are the advantages of creatine nitrate compared to other creatine forms?

Although creatine is very well absorbed by the body, it's solubility was always it's absorption limit. Creatine nitrate is perfectly soluble in water without having any offensive taste.

Furthermore the nitrate moiety has by itself wonderful properties. Lots of people use today NO products to increase 'pumps', vasodilation, nutrient transportation to the muscle, aerobic performance and recovery. All these products up to date had arginine as their base, which recently proved to be totally ineffective for actually raising NO levels(1). In fact most of the 'pump' feeling comes from an insulin increase following Arginine supplementation (2). Nitrates have been used in the pharmaceutical industry for decades to induce direct and fast vasodilation. They do this by directly binding to the blood vessel NO receptor. This creates a powerful vasodilating effect which actually helps with nutrient absorption and distribution and increases athletic performance(3).

There is more beauty to the nitrate moiety however. Organic nitrates have also a great use in pharmacy as a permeation enhancer. That means that they increase intestinal absorption of not only the bonded molecule but ALL nutrients co ingested. They are even able to allow absorption of large macromolecules as insulin!

To sum up Creatine Nitrate's advantages over all other Creatine forms:
- Superior solubility with no offending taste
- Superior direct vasodilating effect
- Superior absorption of itself and all coingested nutrients





Oral Bioavailability of Creatine Supplements: Is There Room for Improvement?

The 6th Annual ISSN Conference and Expo - June 2009
Donald W. Miller
Associate Professor
Department of Pharmacology and Therapeutics
University of Manitoba


So here is my interpretation....


In a balanced cross-over [10-subject] study design, creatine HCL has been shown to aquire a 47% increase in plasma AUC than that of creatine monohydrate.

Creatine HCL aquires a [SIGNIFICANTLY] greater aqueous solubility than does creatine monohydrate/pyruvate/and/or dicitrate. This significantly improves oral absorbtion and intestinal wall permeation as well as gastric empting intervals. This in turn means creatine HCL requires much less fluid to solubilize the dose, thereby eliciting less gastrointestinal distress with a reduced dose. This provides a more efficient method for enhancing creatine levels in the body. Overall, significantly improving solubility, results in significantly improved bioavailability.

[Bane]

So will it taste like acetyl-glutamine? No, most likely not. CEE taste somewhat like alcohol, and is really gross. And considering it's **** (proven by studies) and marketed by bull**** (not backed up by studies) I'd say avoid it.

CEE by itself is water insoluble and tasteless. What people taste in usual market CEE is the HCl(hydrochloric acid) which tastes well, like acid.

[darkphase]

green magnitude ftw!!!!!!
ive tried cell tech,sizeon, and cell mass
they are nothing compared to green mag it works wonders realy noticable!!

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Wow, you're really serious about trying to sell your products =P

I wanted sour apple here in Sweden but guess it was out so got electric lemonade, can't say I appreciate it =P. Sour apple sounded so awesome, damnit =P

Purple wraath grape is nice, and I like the smell of both purple wraath, reminds me of an african store selling insense and textiles and other scary stuff =P

White Flood + inositol + tyrosine is nice. I also like the "ginger bread smell" (swedish "pepparkaka") =P
glad you are enjoying all of the products. the lemonade is great, but apple is the better seller of the two and the original flavor.

green magnitude ftw!!!!!!
ive tried cell tech,sizeon, and cell mass
they are nothing compared to green mag it works wonders realy noticable!!

glad you like it, also a great price at 80 days for 36 bucks after the 10% discount from bb.com

[Spartiatis84]

German creapure,

nothing even comes close!

[NO HYPE]

German creapure,

nothing even comes close!

Then tell me the advantages over ThermoLife's C-BOL. *silence*

[NO HYPE]

Then tell me the advantages over ThermoLife's C-BOL. *silence*

Waiting. :D

[aliquis]

Then you'd be missing out on some of the unique benefits of C-BOL. :)
Creatine nitrate & Creatine HCL.That marketing bullcrap don't tell me anything, show me double blind studies showing any benefits over creatine monohydrate. Also I think we may have been talking about a single product and in that case it wasn't c-bol but rather green magnitude or something else.

[Peter LeDrew]

Then tell me the advantages over ThermoLife's C-BOL. *silence*

Serious? Obviously a proven efficacy that spans hundreds of clinical studies! The most studied, purest and proven creatine with the highest testing and safety backing.

In the meantime, I hope to hear more about C-bol in the future, but I don't think there is even one clinical study out yet?

[aliquis]

CEE by itself is water insoluble and tasteless. What people taste in usual market CEE is the HCl(hydrochloric acid) which tastes well, like acid.Ah, I see, thanks, anyway it taste really horrible.

I've eaten worse though, HMB don't taste good, Na-R-ALA doesn't either, ginkgo-biloba and egcg/green tea is really harsh, haven't tried yellow gold ;D


green magnitude ftw!!!!!!
ive tried cell tech,sizeon, and cell mass
they are nothing compared to green mag it works wonders realy noticable!!Yeah, maybe I'm stupid who takes creatine monohydrate on non-workout days and eventually on workout days to in case all that bloat crap really got some truth in it and green magnitude would be better without the creatine monohydrate for some reason. But it's not like I'll spend one serving of it on a non-workout day.

Then tell me the advantages over ThermoLife's C-BOL. *silence*What about that there is atleast studies which shows that it works? Why don't you write some real advantage of c-bol over regular cheap ass creatine monohydrate instead? There must be like 20 different molecules with creatin now, so it's hard to get excitet by yet another one. Creatine monohydrate works, is most well studied and cheapest. Why go look for something else when it already works so good?

[aliquis]

Serious? Obviously a proven efficacy that spans hundreds of clinical studies! The most studied, purest and proven creatine with the highest testing and safety backing.

In the meantime, I hope to hear more about C-bol in the future, but I don't think there is even one clinical study out yet?Yeah, "prove how it's worse!" when there are no studies is kinda retarded, isn't it up to him/them to show how it would really be better?

It's almost as stupid as some religious fanatics asking you to show proofs that god does not exist ...

Though the later is totally impossible, to show that c-bol has disadvantages vs creatine-monohydrate may be possible. It's not like a forum member will pay for study to find out though.

[Peter LeDrew]

What about that there is atleast studies which shows that it works? Why don't you write some real advantage of c-bol over regular cheap ass creatine monohydrate instead? There must be like 20 different molecules with creatin now, so it's hard to get excitet by yet another one. Creatine monohydrate works, is most well studied and cheapest. Why go look for something else when it already works so good?

He did post a study above showing better solubility... that would likely answer your question as to a 'real' advantage over mono... does it make a difference in the big pic? Possibly, esp. for someone who may not tolerate mono well via GI distress or whatnot... for them it may be a blessing?


Oral Bioavailability of Creatine Supplements: Is There Room for Improvement?

The 6th Annual ISSN Conference and Expo - June 2009
Donald W. Miller
Associate Professor
Department of Pharmacology and Therapeutics
University of Manitoba


So here is my interpretation....


In a balanced cross-over [10-subject] study design, creatine HCL has been shown to aquire a 47% increase in plasma AUC than that of creatine monohydrate.

Creatine HCL aquires a [SIGNIFICANTLY] greater aqueous solubility than does creatine monohydrate/pyruvate/and/or dicitrate. This significantly improves oral absorbtion and intestinal wall permeation as well as gastric empting intervals. This in turn means creatine HCL requires much less fluid to solubilize the dose, thereby eliciting less gastrointestinal distress with a reduced dose. This provides a more efficient method for enhancing creatine levels in the body. Overall, significantly improving solubility, results in significantly improved bioavailability.


The other additions are nice ones I would think... I do love me some NAC and the Nitrate thing is something to watch for... I'm not ruling anything out just stating creapure does have the strong clinical support over the years which would be an advantage to consider. I am interested in trying C-bol at some point and always look for formulas that take advantage of NAC.

[NO HYPE]

That marketing bullcrap don't tell me anything

It does if you know anything about nitrates. Case in point;


Nitrates have been used in the pharmaceutical industry for decades to induce direct and fast vasodilation. They do this by directly binding to the blood vessel NO receptor. This creates a powerful vasodilating effect which actually helps with nutrient absorption and distribution and increases athletic performance(3).

There is more beauty to the nitrate moiety however. Organic nitrates have also a great use in pharmacy as a permeation enhancer. That means that they increase intestinal absorption of not only the bonded molecule but ALL nutrients co ingested. They are even able to allow absorption of large macromolecules as insulin!

To sum up Creatine Nitrate's advantages over all other Creatine forms:
- Superior solubility with no offending taste
- Superior direct vasodilating effect
- Superior absorption of itself and all coingested nutrients

(3) Acta Physiol (Oxf). 2007 Sep;191(1):59-66. Epub 2007 Jul 17.
Effects of dietary nitrate on oxygen cost during exercise.
Larsen FJ, Weitzberg E, Lundberg JO, Ekblom B.





show me double blind studies showing any benefits over creatine monohydrate.

Are you done asking rhetorical questions?.... Or are you just getting started? Seeing how the newly-released C-BOL is the first creatine-nitrate product on the market.... how would there be any double-blind studys comparing it to creatine monohydrate? *silence*

Additionally.... see my previous post on the benefits of creatine HCL over creatine monohydrate.

[futbolista89]

I have a new tub of Green Mag and of Prolab Creatine Mono. I used the Mono at first, then I bought the Green Mag. I've been on the Green Mag for about a month and I like it, so I bought a 2nd tub.

Is there anyway, or should I even think about using both the Mono and the Green Mag at the same time? I tend to take 1/2 scoop of Green Mag pre and then 1/2 scoop post workout.

[05impalaSS]

Straight up micronized Creatine.

[NO HYPE]

Creatine monohydrate works, is most well studied and cheapest. Why go look for something else when it already works so good?

If it works so well.... then tell me why there was a 47% increase in plasma AUC with creatine HCL, than that of creatine monohydrate?

How about for the fact that creatine HCL significantly improves oral absorbtion and intestinal wall permeation as well as gastric empting intervals, thereby eliciting less gastrointestinal distress with a reduced dose?

How about the fact that creatine HCL significantly improves solubility, which in turn results in significantly improved bioavailability?

How about the fact that the nitrate molecule in creatine nitrate binds to the blood vessel NO receptor, which in turn, creates a significant vasodilating effect which actually helps with nutrient absorption and distribution and increases athletic performance?

How about the fact that the nitrate molecule in creatine nitrate increases intestinal absorption of not only the bonded molecule, but all of the combined nutrients that are co-ingested?

[Aurelio01]

If it works so well.... then tell me why there was a 47% increase in plasma AUC with creatine HCL, than that of creatine monohydrate?

How about for the fact that creatine HCL significantly improves oral absorbtion and intestinal wall permeation as well as gastric empting intervals, thereby eliciting less gastrointestinal distress with a reduced dose?

How about the fact that creatine HCL significantly improves solubility, which in turn results in significantly improved bioavailability?

How about the fact that the nitrate molecule in creatine nitrate binds to the blood vessel NO receptor, which in turn, creates a significant vasodilating effect which actually helps with nutrient absorption and distribution and increases athletic performance?

How about the fact that the nitrate molecule in creatine nitrate increases intestinal absorption of not only the bonded molecule, but all of the combined nutrients that are co-ingested?

You gotta love company reps.

$20 says you don't even know what the hell that all even means.

[aliquis]

In a balanced cross-over [10-subject] study design, creatine HCL has been shown to aquire a 47% increase in plasma AUC than that of creatine monohydrate.I don't know what AUC stands for but I don't know if that says enough. Are they the same molecules once in the blood? How do I know the creatine-monohydrate just wasn't picked up faster by the cells? Does Creatine HCL give higher amounts of creatine in the muscle after a period than creatine-monohydrate do? Does it give any extra performance?

It wouldn't surprise me if his creatine product cost ten times as much as creatine-monohydrate do. No thanks.

[darkphase]

You gotta love company reps.

$20 says you don't even know what the hell that all even means.

i lol'd!!!!

[aliquis]

It does if you know anything about nitrates. Case in point;

Are you done asking rhetorical questions?.... Or are you just getting started? Seeing how the newly-released C-BOL is the first creatine-nitrate product on the market.... how would there be any double-blind studys comparing it to creatine monohydrate? *silence*

Additionally.... see my previous post on the benefits of creatine HCL over creatine monohydrate.Regarding the first text can't that just be the performance enhanching from the actual nitrates? It's known that intrates enhances performance, but so what?


how would there be any double-blind studys comparing it to creatine monohydrate? *silence*You make them to try to prove that your product delivers any benefits? Or are you scared it won't?

[aliquis]

I have a new tub of Green Mag and of Prolab Creatine Mono. I used the Mono at first, then I bought the Green Mag. I've been on the Green Mag for about a month and I like it, so I bought a 2nd tub.

Is there anyway, or should I even think about using both the Mono and the Green Mag at the same time? I tend to take 1/2 scoop of Green Mag pre and then 1/2 scoop post workout.If regular creatine really is taken up by some Na-transporter or whatever I think some text said about the Magnesium Creatine Chelate and the MCC use Mg I guess using both may get higher uptake since you can use both transporters. But I have no idea. If nothing else replacing half GM with come CrOH will lower the price, and you can take CrOH on rest days.

[aliquis]

If it works so well.... then tell me why there was a 47% increase in plasma AUC with creatine HCL, than that of creatine monohydrate?

How about for the fact that creatine HCL significantly improves oral absorbtion and intestinal wall permeation as well as gastric empting intervals, thereby eliciting less gastrointestinal distress with a reduced dose?

How about the fact that creatine HCL significantly improves solubility, which in turn results in significantly improved bioavailability?

How about the fact that the nitrate molecule in creatine nitrate binds to the blood vessel NO receptor, which in turn, creates a significant vasodilating effect which actually helps with nutrient absorption and distribution and increases athletic performance?

How about the fact that the nitrate molecule in creatine nitrate increases intestinal absorption of not only the bonded molecule, but all of the combined nutrients that are co-ingested?Get 200 lifters, give 100 creatine-monohydrate and 100 c-bol, let them workout as usual for three months and tell me which ones increased their max the most if scientificially significant. I guess for 100 lifters you may not need to care about the rest of their diet and training since it will be such a huge variation to begin with, but feel free to use 500 or make it more controlled if you want to.

50*3 = 150 gram of Creatrate for 60 $ = 400 $ / kg.
1 kg of creatine-monohydrate = 16 $.

You would have to want a heck of a lot of improvement if you are going to pay 25 times more ...

If your uptake figures are for 3 gram of each and it get picked up 47% better why not just add 47% more creatine-monohydrate if that works? It would still be 1/17 as much ...

Good luck fooling some other stupid kid.




Imho the only reason all these weirdo creatine substances exists is because creatine monohydrate don't look as cool on the label and don't make big money.

Latest Muscletech version = OMG IT'S LIKE TOTALLY DIFFERENT VERSION FINAL BETA-PROTOTYPE DELUXE BESTEST +2000% INCLUDING TEH PONIES! = Sell better thanks to the bonus ponies and also earn more money / jar = Happy Spongebob!

http://www.gamerhotline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/spongebob_1.jpg http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~tshields/ponies.jpg

[aliquis]

Also why is this guy called "no hype"? Isn't all he tried to do to create hype about c-bol?

I trust him just as much as the controlled labs guy talking about kick in the ass and how all their products taste great.

I have them on my shelf, pw taste good for being an EAA product but great? GRRREAT!? It doesn't taste Pepsi! ;/

[darkphase]

hmm haven't seen much talk about creatine products mostly you arguing about c-bol..........

[NO HYPE]

Get 200 lifters, give 100 creatine-monohydrate and 100 c-bol, let them workout as usual for three months and tell me which ones increased their max the most if scientificially significant.

Send the me the funds for this, and you've got a deal....



Good luck fooling some other stupid kid.

Apply the above comment to your previous comment.



Also why is this guy called "no hype"?

Simple. I rely on [science-based evidence] to support my comments.



Isn't all he tried to do to create hype about c-bol?

I am a representative for ThermoLife who attempted to point out the [science-based evidence] of our product, but unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work for SpongeBob SquarePants fans.

[darkphase]

Since i only ahve about 4 servings left of green mag im hoping to try new creatine supplement any suggestions and that C-Bol sounds pretty interesting

[NO HYPE]

You gotta love company reps.

Especially the ones who can back what they say with science.




$20 says you don't even know what the hell that all even means.

I don't want to take your money. Don't let my knowledge intimidate you.

[darkphase]

anyone know a good creatine supplement for good gains sort of like green mag or better if there is cause
the GNC i shop at hasn't shipped any green mag lately only purple wraath white flood and mostly all the tabs except green bulge lol =(

[bluestage2]

Especially the ones who can back what they say with science.





I don't want to take your money. Don't let my knowledge intimidate you.


Your [Science-Based Evidence] looks no different than every other product page for every supplement ever produced, a long list of [Science-Based Evidence]. I believe you that it works but I'll wait for the positive reviews to come rolling in before I try it myself.. too expensive for only 50 servings when your supposed to take 2 servings a day!

I'm just pointing out the obvious.. no need to get upset with me!

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I have a new tub of Green Mag and of Prolab Creatine Mono. I used the Mono at first, then I bought the Green Mag. I've been on the Green Mag for about a month and I like it, so I bought a 2nd tub.

Is there anyway, or should I even think about using both the Mono and the Green Mag at the same time? I tend to take 1/2 scoop of Green Mag pre and then 1/2 scoop post workout.
no need, you dont need additional creatine when taking green mag. :)

anyone know a good creatine supplement for good gains sort of like green mag or better if there is cause
the GNC i shop at hasn't shipped any green mag lately only purple wraath white flood and mostly all the tabs except green bulge lol =(

ask them to bring in green mag and I am sure they will :)

[NO HYPE]

Your [Science-Based Evidence] looks no different than every other product page for every supplement ever produced

Oh, it doesn't? Since when does "every supplement ever produced" contain creatine nitrate? *silence*




I believe you that it works but I'll wait for the positive reviews to come rolling in before I try it myself.

So in the meantime, the individuals who can clearly see that the formulation of this product is brilliant, and backed by science-based evidence.... can benefit from what it has to offer [while you wait for the reviews "to come rolling in"].




too expensive for only 50 servings when your supposed to take 2 servings a day!

Speaking for myself.... there would be no need for me to use more than one dosage.




I'm just pointing out the obvious.

Likewise.... and I'm doing it via the scientific route.




no need to get upset with me!

I don't even know you.

[darkphase]

no need, you dont need additional creatine when taking green mag. :)


ask them to bring in green mag and I am sure they will :)

lol never thought of that and i know that girl pretty well there hmm...

[NO HYPE]

Imho the only reason all these weirdo creatine substances exists is because creatine monohydrate don't look as cool on the label and don't make big money.

Yeah.... I'm sure it has nothing to do with developing something that works better for the consumer.

[MaxwellGuns]

If you had to pick just ONE creatine product, what would be the best one for the best results?

Please pick a product and include the brand. Give your reasons. The best answers will be displayed on the main Bodybuilding.com site for millions of people to see!

(Note: This is not a discussion about how or when to take creatine, if creatine works, or why some creatines do not work. Just list your absolute favorite creatine product and give your detailed reason.)

Krealkalyn.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

lol never thought of that and i know that girl pretty well there hmm...

yup, best way to get the products you want in a local store is simply to ask and tell them you WOULD buy it if it were on their shelf ;)

[darkphase]

yup, best way to get the products you want in a local store is simply to ask and tell them you WOULD buy it if it were on their shelf ;)

seduce with juice
that'll get me what i want maybe more lol.

[LDU]

i use REDBAK (aussie brand) creatine mono Best ive had so far

[powerhouse23]

i take 30 grams of green mag a day, definitely my favorite creatine product!

[CONTROLLED LABS]

seduce with juice
that'll get me what i want maybe more lol.
:D

i take 30 grams of green mag a day, definitely my favorite creatine product!

what do you mean by 30 grams? how many scoops/servings?

[powerhouse23]

:D


what do you mean by 30 grams? how many scoops/servings?just 6 scoops.

[aliquis]

Your [Science-Based Evidence] looks no different than every other product page for every supplement ever produced, a long list of [Science-Based Evidence]. I believe you that it works but I'll wait for the positive reviews to come rolling in before I try it myself.. too expensive for only 50 servings when your supposed to take 2 servings a day!

I'm just pointing out the obvious.. no need to get upset with me!The problem with reviews is that people always believe that their stuff is good, or well, most often atleast, unless they get really upset on something. There are probably lots of good reviews on CEE for instance, or glutamine, or HMB, or kre-alkalyn, or, ...

Increased plasma levels isn't enough for me. Especially at 25 times higher price / gram creatineformula.

[aliquis]

So in the meantime, the individuals who can clearly see that the formulation of this product is brilliant, and backed by science-based evidence.... can benefit from what it has to offer [while you wait for the reviews "to come rolling in"].Sounds like an intelligent approach to me, there have been so much crap around and very little non-hormonal stuff works and makes a difference. After some time the good stuff will get used more and get down in price and one will know it works, and then is a good time to buy it. The crap will remain hidden away in the background.

A long time ago creatine-monohydrate cost 7000 sek / kg here, now it's 99 sek ..

I guess BCAAs and HMB was much more expensive before to for instance (not saying HMB works ..)

[Hortonized]

IMO, I would not even touch anything that has the name SUCRALOSE in it. I hope everyone will read the ingredients that are in each product. Sucralose is a chlorinated sugar, which is a carcinogen. Perform some research on the chemical sucralose you may think twice about taking supplements with it.

For me - Twinlab creatine fuel powder.

[aliquis]

IMO, I would not even touch anything that has the name SUCRALOSE in it. I hope everyone will read the ingredients that are in each product. Sucralose is a chlorinated sugar, which is a carcinogen. Perform some research on the chemical sucralose you may think twice about taking supplements with it.

For me - Twinlab creatine fuel powder.Chlorinated? Yes.
Carcinogen? Over here it's still allowed so I guess there haven't been enough proof for that, same goes for acesulfame potassium and aspartame. I doubt any of them is good for you but what to do if you don't want a massive sugar consumption?

Though yes, aspartame may be the safest of them.

Stevia isn't allowed in the EU yet.

Lots of your colors aren't allowed in the EU either, for instance Red #40, I'm so ****ing stupid who buys Xtend.

The CL products don't even mention the artificial colors used ..

[CONTROLLED LABS]

just 6 scoops.

your seriously taking 6 scoops? that is way too much. all you need is 1 :)

[WesD5487]

Any of you taked Vassive NO? What do you think of it?

[darkphase]

Any of you taked Vassive NO? What do you think of it?
personally i never took it but i have friends who have they said they didn't see any results

[sflun1]

hi,

sorry to bother you all but i was wondering what the most appropriate routine would be to supplement green mag while taking white flood? if i take it before workout, do i take it before or after i take my white flood or can i mix it in with my white flood? if its better to take it after workout, should i take it before or after my protein shake?

thanks

[CONTROLLED LABS]

hi,

sorry to bother you all but i was wondering what the most appropriate routine would be to supplement green mag while taking white flood? if i take it before workout, do i take it before or after i take my white flood or can i mix it in with my white flood? if its better to take it after workout, should i take it before or after my protein shake?

thanks

just take 1 serving of each and mix them with 20 ounces of cold water. take that mix 30 minutes pre workout. on off days just take the green magnitude.

protein shake postworkout

[powerhouse23]

man my liver is starting to hurt from green mag, i dont know why...

[the_beast76]

What would be the best way to take Purple Wraath/White Flood/Green Magnitude all together?

[liftingson]

[QUOTE=the_beast76;379708751]What would be the best way to take Purple Wraath/White Flood/Green Magnitude all together?[/QUOTE

that would be fine.
I like to mix the flood and green mag together...then drink the wraath over a period of time, before and during workout

[liftingson]

What would be the best way to take Purple Wraath/White Flood/Green Magnitude all together?

that would be fine.
I like to mix the flood and green mag together...then drink the wraath over a period of time, before and during workout

[CONTROLLED LABS]

man my liver is starting to hurt from green mag, i dont know why...
haha, your joking right? you cant feel your liver hurting, nor is there anything in the product that would hurt your liver

What would be the best way to take Purple Wraath/White Flood/Green Magnitude all together?
white flood and green magnitude mixed and taken 30 minutes pre. purple wraath taken intra workout

on off days take green mag only.

[QUOTE=the_beast76;379708751]What would be the best way to take Purple Wraath/White Flood/Green Magnitude all together?[/QUOTE

that would be fine.
I like to mix the flood and green mag together...then drink the wraath over a period of time, before and during workout
exactly

[powerhouse23]

i dunno its just my stomach... im up to 10 scoops daily.

[AlphaBrass01]

i dunno its just my stomach... im up to 10 scoops daily.
10 scoops? Are you serious? You should take.....one.

[cem1391]

So before looking at this thread, I was planning on purchasing the superpump and size on stack. But after reading a lot of the reviews on whiteflood and greenmag stack preworkout, it seems like an irresistable option. Say I got the WF and GM, would it be beneficial to get the size-on as well for postworkout? Or maybe a solid protein like myofusion?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

[battousai216]

i have what may be a dumb question. Are green bulge and white blood the same things as green mag and white flood only in pill form?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

i dunno its just my stomach... im up to 10 scoops daily.
i hope your joking. why would you take 10x the recommended dose?

So before looking at this thread, I was planning on purchasing the superpump and size on stack. But after reading a lot of the reviews on whiteflood and greenmag stack preworkout, it seems like an irresistable option. Say I got the WF and GM, would it be beneficial to get the size-on as well for postworkout? Or maybe a solid protein like myofusion?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
answered in the other thread, but yes, it would be a great choice

i have what may be a dumb question. Are green bulge and white blood the same things as green mag and white flood only in pill form?

not the same, there are some other differences. check out the writeup for each and let me know if you have further questions.

[unkalledfor]

I've been taking SizeOn Tablets for about 3 weeks now.. It been pretty damn good to me.. the only complain is the DISGUSTING smell.. I have a hard time taking it everyday.. If I get it again I will definitely get the powder form lol

[darkphase]

i dunno its just my stomach... im up to 10 scoops daily.

dude you should go get checked up lol that's waay to much your not suppose to pass
the recommended amount by ten times!

[VIKINGOFTHOR]

I know lots of people say stuff about creatine but the stuff made by Techline who have been around since 1984 is very promosing even though its only the monohydrate form. I went up from 225 to 330lbs. bench press in 2 weeks and four days. But I was using glutamine, bcaa's, provision6 protein, and complex carb mix. I seriously love this stuff.

[cem1391]

@ ControlledLabs

Could you give me your insight on the benefits of greenmag over a cheaper creatine product, say, micronized creatine?

I'm on the fence on which way to lean...

[JIGSAW]

i know lots of people say stuff about creatine but the stuff made by techline who have been around since 1984 is very promosing even though its only the monohydrate form. I went up from 225 to 330lbs. Bench press in 2 weeks and four days. But i was using glutamine, bcaa's, provision6 protein, and complex carb mix. I seriously love this stuff.

bull fcuking sh|t

[JIGSAW]

@ ControlledLabs

Could you give me your insight on the benefits of greenmag over a cheaper creatine product, say, micronized creatine?

I'm on the fence on which way to lean...

Plain creatine Mono is just about the best supplement your can buy....its cheap...and it works. Buy it in bulk.

[JIGSAW]

when i first started taking creatine i was always into the namebrand products...between cellmass, celltech, and anabolic OD i wasted so much money. Generic flavorless monohydrate is all you need $20 for 100 servings. 5g a serving, cant beat it..

this ^

[NO HYPE]

haha, your joking right? you cant feel your liver hurting

hepatalgia: Pain in the liver.

http://www.mercksource.com/pp/us/cns/cns_hl_dorlands_split.jsp?pg=/ppdocs/us/common/dorlands/dorland/four/000048454.htm

[NO HYPE]

IMO, I would not even touch anything that has the name SUCRALOSE in it. I hope everyone will read the ingredients that are in each product. Sucralose is a chlorinated sugar, which is a carcinogen.

Are you serious with this crap? Find me some actual EVIDENCE that daily sucralose use in humans, is carcinogenic.... and then maybe someone here can take your OPINION seriously.




Perform some research on the chemical sucralose you may think twice about taking supplements with it.

Practice what you preach. It is blatantly obvious that you have done zero research pertaining to the daily use of sucralose in humans.

[Vitruvian]

I know lots of people say stuff about creatine but the stuff made by Techline who have been around since 1984 is very promosing even though its only the monohydrate form. I went up from 225 to 330lbs. bench press in 2 weeks and four days. But I was using glutamine, bcaa's, provision6 protein, and complex carb mix. I seriously love this stuff.

Viking,
Describe yourself.... choose 2 of the following:

1) Shill
2) Full of BS
3) Idiot
4) Liar
5) Very Imaginative

[frozennorth]

cell-tech has been awesome for me, although i know its not too popular on this board

[Cowart69]

green bulge is a great pill form type of creatine


thanks for your support and feedback :)

I have some questions I am hoping someone might be able to answer.

I have tried a lot of different creatine products but have had very little success......then I took Cell Tech and actually got some gains from it under the same stimulus and conditions.

I am not promoting Cell Tech however......I actually hate how much it costs. What I am trying to do is find a cheaper alternative that produces the same results. I dont care about advertising or the any of that stuff. Cell Tech worked for me.....I want to find something cheaper that will do the same thing.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

@ ControlledLabs

Could you give me your insight on the benefits of greenmag over a cheaper creatine product, say, micronized creatine?

I'm on the fence on which way to lean...
its more than just creatine. have you read the writeup? if so, let me know of specific questions. :) you could also get a free sample of green magnitude to try out if you want to go that route.

I have some questions I am hoping someone might be able to answer.

I have tried a lot of different creatine products but have had very little success......then I took Cell Tech and actually got some gains from it under the same stimulus and conditions.

I am not promoting Cell Tech however......I actually hate how much it costs. What I am trying to do is find a cheaper alternative that produces the same results. I dont care about advertising or the any of that stuff. Cell Tech worked for me.....I want to find something cheaper that will do the same thing.
green bulge and green magnitude are both great value creatine cocktail products

[GPx]

So I have a question about creatine monohydrate and the phases.

You begin with the loading phase (25g a day for a few days) then moving onto the loading phase, I'd take 10g one day, then take three days off, then repeat? That's my understanding from the Higher Power micronized creatine.

[Cowart69]

its more than just creatine. have you read the writeup? if so, let me know of specific questions. :) you could also get a free sample of green magnitude to try out if you want to go that route.

green bulge and green magnitude are both great value creatine cocktail products

I tried Green Mag and it didn't work for me.....I have not tried Green Bulge because I hate pills.

If anyone has any suggestions for me it would be greatly appreciated. Once again I am not sold on Cell Tech because the @hit is expensive...but I need something that will work for me where the other creatins have not.

[GPx]

I tried Green Mag and it didn't work for me.....I have not tried Green Bulge because I hate pills.

If anyone has any suggestions for me it would be greatly appreciated. Once again I am not sold on Cell Tech because the @hit is expensive...but I need something that will work for me where the other creatins have not.

Try creatine monohydrate, it's the cheapest out there as well as the most proven.

[kken34]

I've always used mono for two reasons

1- it works. "great for increasing strength"
2- it is cheep. "BB.com prices to tough to beat"

I am, however, interested in con-cret. Has anyone taken it? If so what do you think, is it just another mono in disguise or is it worth a try?

[SteveHinchee]

I know lots of people say stuff about creatine but the stuff made by Techline who have been around since 1984 is very promosing even though its only the monohydrate form. I went up from 225 to 330lbs. bench press in 2 weeks and four days. But I was using glutamine, bcaa's, provision6 protein, and complex carb mix. I seriously love this stuff.

yeah and i saw santa claus last year landing on my roof....get real youngin..you need to think before you type crap like this up here

[aliquis]

So before looking at this thread, I was planning on purchasing the superpump and size on stack. But after reading a lot of the reviews on whiteflood and greenmag stack preworkout, it seems like an irresistable option. Say I got the WF and GM, would it be beneficial to get the size-on as well for postworkout? Or maybe a solid protein like myofusion?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!Both White Flood and Superpump250 are popular choices, so I doubt you will go wrong with either.

And you can take either of size on or green magnitude no matter what NO-product you get. Size on may have more ingredients but green magnitude is way cheaper / serving. Ordinary creatine monohydrate and maybe some carbohydrates as dextrose/maltodextrine would work to.

No reason to stack green magnitude and size on.

Of course you can take a protein as usual.

[aliquis]

I know lots of people say stuff about creatine but the stuff made by Techline who have been around since 1984 is very promosing even though its only the monohydrate form. I went up from 225 to 330lbs. bench press in 2 weeks and four days. But I was using glutamine, bcaa's, provision6 protein, and complex carb mix. I seriously love this stuff.lol, seriously, nice "ad", neg rep for stupidity and impossible (unless you already could benchpress way more than you thought.)

[aliquis]

@ ControlledLabs

Could you give me your insight on the benefits of greenmag over a cheaper creatine product, say, micronized creatine?

I'm on the fence on which way to lean...I doubt there is much.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15142029?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
MCC worked, but so did regular creatine.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14506619?ordinalpos=2&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsP anel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
MCC increased strength, and so did regular creatine, sure it says not significant but 0.06? Come on .. Close enough.

Can't find anything on dicreatine malate.

Doubt the taurine have any benefits.

Tyrosine has been shown for instance to increase soldiers ability to read maps or something such but I don't know how much of a difference it do unless your fasting and stuff, and together with other things, and the dose is pretty small.

Then I think it has betaine-anhydrous to, you can read about that here and form your own conclusions: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/beta.html

I bought it for doubts/to try out but well, it's my first ever non-creatine monohydrate product and I feel kinda stupid paying so much for creatine.

[aliquis]

So I have a question about creatine monohydrate and the phases.

You begin with the loading phase (25g a day for a few days) then moving onto the loading phase, I'd take 10g one day, then take three days off, then repeat? That's my understanding from the Higher Power micronized creatine.I don't know what their recommendations is but a more normal one would be to do loading for say 4 days at 4 times * 5 gram / serving, and then carry on and just do one serving / day at 5 gram / serving. Eventually with some time off after whatever amount of weeks.

Loading isn't necessary though, if you take 5 gram / day your levels will increase over time anyway.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I tried Green Mag and it didn't work for me.....I have not tried Green Bulge because I hate pills.

If anyone has any suggestions for me it would be greatly appreciated. Once again I am not sold on Cell Tech because the @hit is expensive...but I need something that will work for me where the other creatins have not.
what did it not do that you expected it to do? were you on creatine right before? how often did you take it? what was your water consumption?

Both White Flood and Superpump250 are popular choices, so I doubt you will go wrong with either.

And you can take either of size on or green magnitude no matter what NO-product you get. Size on may have more ingredients but green magnitude is way cheaper / serving. Ordinary creatine monohydrate and maybe some carbohydrates as dextrose/maltodextrine would work to.

No reason to stack green magnitude and size on.

Of course you can take a protein as usual.
good advice right here, simple and to the point

[N3zZy]

Ive been using Green Bulge + No Explode for about a month now works wonders for me. altho The No Grape flavor tastes like crap.

[Cowart69]

what did it not do that you expected it to do? were you on creatine right before? how often did you take it? what was your water consumption?

good advice right here, simple and to the point

Took the cheap creatine that BB.com sells first for 19.99....no affect

Then tried Cell Tech....noticed increase in strength lifts and weight

Didnt like the price....tried Green Mag......no affect

In all instances did a loading phase followed by 5 mg a day with about a gallon of water.

[prototypic]

Has anyone had any experience with Infinite Labs' CarnoCre? It was recommended to me the other day. I was looking for more info, but reviews are limited and I don't believe it's been discussed in this thread. Just wondered if anyone had any info. Thanks.

[was140]

Is there a new sizeon coming out?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Ive been using Green Bulge + No Explode for about a month now works wonders for me. altho The No Grape flavor tastes like crap.

sounds great. have you looked into combining white flood with green bulge, they make an awesome combo :)

[N3zZy]

I was looking for white blood but they dont have anything around me gunna have to do a search around my way.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I was looking for white blood but they dont have anything around me gunna have to do a search around my way.

its carried on bb.com and vitamin shopppe

[N3zZy]

its carried on bb.com and vitamin shopppe

Yes this i know. but im one credit cardless dude. =P

[quank]

Is there a new sizeon coming out?

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=118996881

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Yes this i know. but im one credit cardless dude. =P

paypal or visa gift card?

[AJBurns]

Hi, I've been reading reviews a lot and look like I'll be giving CL my hard earned cash in the near future since I've heard so many good things about them. I am 6'0 185 pounds yet new to lifting and have horrible cardio. So I'm working into getting my body fat % lowered while trying to gain some good strength/looks. Was a pretty big guy at 275 pounds about 2 years back so my body is well not as nice as I'd like it. I'd prob come in high 20's right now in body fat %.

Questions:

1) I walk to the gym which is about 25 minutes away. Is it fine with taking White Flood and Green Mag with a granola bar then heading off to the gym? I then plan on walking home after workout and having a protein shake.

2) I do weights 2-3 times a week and cardio 2-3 times. I know that Green Mag is recommended everyday. Should I still be taking White Flood before a cardio session? Or would it be better to pass on it if the positive effects would be minimal to save money or for my body not to get used to it faster?

3) Purple Wraath is supposed to be a Intra workout supp according to posts here. Would it be fine taking this when I take the White Flood/Green Mag before walking to the gym? Or should I just skip out on this supp since I won't be getting all the benefits I'd be paying for if I did it that route?

4) A few supplements I've been on the edge about. Please leave me any feedback you know or recommendations about them. a) Reduction from CL b) GlycerGrow from CL- I thought I'd maybe save Glycer for when I had some more experience but anything about them both would help.

Trying to take all the supplements at home 30 mins pre since it takes that long to walk to gym or 30-45min after since I have to walk back home. Thanks for any advice. Feel free to give advice on anything that is not mentioned here if you think it can help me out. All feedback is good feedback! Thanks.

[mikelwilliams]

I've had very little luck with most creatines, except one. As much as I hate to admit it, MuscleTech's CellTech Hardcore worked really well for me. It's definetly pricey, but my bench was going up 5-10 lbs a week in the first three weeks. I can't say how well it works over a long period, or how much of the gains you keep when you get off, cuz I recently broke my humerus in 5 spots so my lifting is done for a while. But, when I'm healthy again I'll be back on it.

I have to agree. I have tried a few different creatine supplements over 8 years or so and found this one to be quite effective. Good gains in my lifting and good weight gain also. As for the price, it may seem pricey but it is well worth the money. GNC card helps.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Hi, I've been reading reviews a lot and look like I'll be giving CL my hard earned cash in the near future since I've heard so many good things about them. I am 6'0 185 pounds yet new to lifting and have horrible cardio. So I'm working into getting my body fat % lowered while trying to gain some good strength/looks. Was a pretty big guy at 275 pounds about 2 years back so my body is well not as nice as I'd like it. I'd prob come in high 20's right now in body fat %.

Questions:

1) I walk to the gym which is about 25 minutes away. Is it fine with taking White Flood and Green Mag with a granola bar then heading off to the gym? I then plan on walking home after workout and having a protein shake.
absolutely, that would be my suggestion
2) I do weights 2-3 times a week and cardio 2-3 times. I know that Green Mag is recommended everyday. Should I still be taking White Flood before a cardio session? Or would it be better to pass on it if the positive effects would be minimal to save money or for my body not to get used to it faster?
white flood, just on lifting days, before lifting.
3) Purple Wraath is supposed to be a Intra workout supp according to posts here. Would it be fine taking this when I take the White Flood/Green Mag before walking to the gym? Or should I just skip out on this supp since I won't be getting all the benefits I'd be paying for if I did it that route?
why cant you drink it during the gym?
4) A few supplements I've been on the edge about. Please leave me any feedback you know or recommendations about them. a) Reduction from CL b) GlycerGrow from CL- I thought I'd maybe save Glycer for when I had some more experience but anything about them both would help.
since your cutting REDuction should be a serious consideration. for now I owuld skip glycergrow. look into it in a month or two.
Trying to take all the supplements at home 30 mins pre since it takes that long to walk to gym or 30-45min after since I have to walk back home. Thanks for any advice. Feel free to give advice on anything that is not mentioned here if you think it can help me out. All feedback is good feedback! Thanks.

answers above in bold

[AJBurns]

Thanks for the reply. I guess it wouldn't kill me to take Purple Wraath during the workout. Just never drank anything besides water before during a workout, take some getting used to.

That said, I think I'll tryout Green Mag/White Flood and Orange Triad for my first order. Don't really think I need reduction since my diet is on key and exercise most days of the week. I'll keep it in mind though. Will probably order Purple Wraath for my next order is all goes well and try that out. Going to save some cash and tryout the previous mentioned 3 products. I'll be sure to post results when I get them, thanks.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Thanks for the reply. I guess it wouldn't kill me to take Purple Wraath during the workout. Just never drank anything besides water before during a workout, take some getting used to.

That said, I think I'll tryout Green Mag/White Flood and Orange Triad for my first order. Don't really think I need reduction since my diet is on key and exercise most days of the week. I'll keep it in mind though. Will probably order Purple Wraath for my next order is all goes well and try that out. Going to save some cash and tryout the previous mentioned 3 products. I'll be sure to post results when I get them, thanks.
you will not only get used to it, you will love it.

that is an excellent foundational stack to start with, let us know how it goes and keep a log if you have the time.

[Paulie1986]

Biotech 100% monohydrate. Gets great pumps, I can last much longer and recovery rate is good. Should I drink it during workout?

[MahmoudRSM]

If you had to pick just ONE creatine product, what would be the best one for the best results?

Please pick a product and include the brand. Give your reasons. The best answers will be displayed on the main Bodybuilding.com site for millions of people to see!

(Note: This is not a discussion about how or when to take creatine, if creatine works, or why some creatines do not work. Just list your absolute favorite creatine product and give your detailed reason.)

I would recommend Optimum's Pre Load Creatine Complex, containing more than one creatine compound as well as fast carbs and amino acids. It has donw wonders for me.

[kgochenour]

I've used Green Mag before, and loved it, but I used it on a bulk. I just ordered some more, this time I'm going to try it on a cut. Anyone had good success using GM on a cut?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I've used Green Mag before, and loved it, but I used it on a bulk. I just ordered some more, this time I'm going to try it on a cut. Anyone had good success using GM on a cut?
green magnitude is great on a cut or a bulk. it wont bloat you at all and it will keep strength high during a caloric deficit :)

[AlphaBrass01]

Your getting headaches not because of the brand of creatine. But because you are not drinking enough water
Yeah - I didn't hydrate enough when I was first using creatine and got headaches all the time.

[DBombs16]

cellmass gets my approval

I agree cell mass works great, my very first product i took was Purple-K fusion bodybuilding. If you dont like the taste of the creatine like me i highly recommend Purple-K there easy to swallow pills. theres no loading phase required and you see results.

[randynixon74]

Hands down BSN's NO Xplode. Just plain insane.

[Roidsmakeyoubig]

roids

[darkphase]

roids

lol'd

[GPx]

lol inb4 ban

[unkalledfor]

Yeah - I didn't hydrate enough when I was first using creatine and got headaches all the time.

yep.. same thing happened to me.. It's similar to those small headaches you get after a night of drinking.. your brain is just begging for hydration

[AlphaBrass01]

yep.. same thing happened to me.. It's similar to those small headaches you get after a night of drinking.. your brain is just begging for hydration
Exactly.

[jgarcia0201]

Pure protein..... Creatine monohydrate manufactered by wwsn supplements and cheap too

[AnimalDJ185]

yep.. same thing happened to me.. It's similar to those small headaches you get after a night of drinking.. your brain is just begging for hydration

totally right on that one , if ya dont drink enough h2o your body will let ya know lol

heres a serious q though , Im currently still cutting down weight and im taking animal pack and animal cuts with gaspari novedex been working great. should i stack a creatine in there as well or anything else?

[mht823]

i used half tub of green mag 2 months ago but now when i opened the tub it seems tht it has absorbed moisture n become lil solid ,so shld i use it or nt

[Posum]

i used half tub of green mag 2 months ago but now when i opened the tub it seems tht it has absorbed moisture n become lil solid ,so shld i use it or nt

waw, same situation with me...my green mag also too, but i still used it..

[CONTROLLED LABS]

i used half tub of green mag 2 months ago but now when i opened the tub it seems tht it has absorbed moisture n become lil solid ,so shld i use it or nt
why did you stop using it for 2 months before finishing it off? same as potato chips, or other food items, you cant use half and let the other half sit for many months once opened.

please contact me by PM to talk further, so we can resolve your issue.

[geeman]

dudes go get the Thermolife CBol! ftw!

werd
G

[jjsafari]

any ph balanced creatine!

[NO HYPE]

any ph balanced creatine!

What good is pH balanced creatine? Following the loading phase, once intramuscular PCr cconcentrations are saturated.... pH balanced creatine won't do anything to change this.

[mikelwilliams]

There are a few MuscleTech products that I will stand by, Cell Tech Hardcore being one of them... I hear all kinds of good things about green mag, never read or heard anything bad. I was curious if I cut my servings of Hardcore in half and took a full serving green mag, if that would be sufficient? I ask this do to the 2 creatine ingredients in green mag??? Is one product too similar to the other to get desired effects or will the stack work?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I hear all kinds of good things about green mag, never read or heard anything bad. I was curious if I cut my servings of Hardcore in half and took a full serving green mag, if that would be sufficient? I ask this do to the 2 creatine ingredients in green mag??? Is one product too similar to the other to get desired effects or will the stack work?

for good reason, green mag works great, tastes great and is an awesome value :)

the serving of green magnitude alone is fine, no need to add additional creatine

[enersia]

celltech makes you grow like crazy

[bhay3]

I have 2 that I'd say work the best for me. First, I'd say size on, it worked well for me, gained good amount of mass and it tasted good. But, I'm now taking "Allmax micronized Creapure creatine mono" I think I may be liking this more as my results are evident within the 3 weeks that I've used it thus far!

[vman11]

nah its all about kre alkalin

[darkphase]

nah its all about kre alkalin

all kre alkalyn products iv'e taken had little or no effect on me regular mono is better for me

[Randomrandy]

Best creatine for cutting?

[TheNeenz]

I just take the generic amp 189 by GNC. No bloating and has really helped me achieve size as well as separation and deff in my back. Check my profile pics.

[GJohnson7385]

I have both of these creatines...Is it ok to take them both at the same time? I have been taking Green Bulge pre workout and then Green Mag Post workout. Is that ok or should I stick with one or the other?

[AlphaBrass01]

I have both of these creatines...Is it ok to take them both at the same time? I have been taking Green Bulge pre workout and then Green Mag Post workout. Is that ok or should I stick with one or the other?
I don't think taking both will do anything bad, but you only need one a day.

[bolistik]

wheres the BEST place to buy sizeon? i think i saw one time someone posted a link where they sell sizeon for $35. anyone know?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I have both of these creatines...Is it ok to take them both at the same time? I have been taking Green Bulge pre workout and then Green Mag Post workout. Is that ok or should I stick with one or the other?

no need to take both together. many take green bulge on workout days, then make green mag popsicles to enjoy on off days :)

[fightclub2012]

Currently on CellMass, seems solid thus far. Had really great gains with Green Mag. eventually I'll be back, full on with Controlled Labs StackHouse.

[lmaonade123]

Creakic Hardcore... because it's the only one I've taken. lol.

[brady.huskey]

Just read in Muscle and Fitness that Con-Cret (creatine hcl) is much more soluble than mono...Anyone use it?

[Jeph77]

any good suggestions for a monohydrate , besides cell tech lol ?

[NO HYPE]

Just read in Muscle and Fitness that Con-Cret (creatine hcl) is much more soluble than mono...Anyone use it?

C-BOL does. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=374592321&postcount=4509

Additionally.... Con-Cret is lacking the most effective NO-inducing agent of them all i.e. creatine nitrate.

[Tribulus000]

The best creatine is the Pharmasports Kreabolic. Ph neural is double the Kreabolic and it is recycled everything. The best creatine Kreabolic the Germans tip quality creatine. In Germany since long no. 1.

[sossick]

Tried cellmass, very happy with it, bit disapointed with the price....

gunna try ON micronized creatine... ne thoughts on that"???

[snatonsb]

Hey whats up guys new to the forum and my name is Nat nice to meet you guys! I haven't taken creatine in like 9 months and now bought the Green Mag/White Flood stack. When should I take it...? Before I work out, during my work out, or after....?

Do I take them on my days off....? How much should I use....? How long should I take this stack for and how long before I can use it again after I am done...? Thanks so much for the help it is greatly appreciated! :)

[Jeph77]

take them both like 30 min before workout, take greenmag on off days you dont need WF. use the recomended servings on the tube. take like 10-15 days off before you use WF again, GM doesnt need to be cycled.

[snatonsb]

Alright just took my first dose of Green Mag and White Flood about to hit the gym lets see how this goes! :D

[IPPOKUN]

SizeOn lemon ice is good

I just ordered SIZEON Blueberry and I am so excited to try this product. I've used 3 tubs of SUPERPUMP250 and I am in love with the product. I can't wait to stack these two together...

[Narcotic]

I like taking simple generic, GNC, creatine monohydrate. All it is is pure creatine, and nothing else. No taste, just mix it with water and you're good to go. Works really well too.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Currently on CellMass, seems solid thus far. Had really great gains with Green Mag. eventually I'll be back, full on with Controlled Labs StackHouse.
nice, what is this "stackhouse" comprised of? :D

Hey whats up guys new to the forum and my name is Nat nice to meet you guys! I haven't taken creatine in like 9 months and now bought the Green Mag/White Flood stack. When should I take it...? Before I work out, during my work out, or after....?

Do I take them on my days off....? How much should I use....? How long should I take this stack for and how long before I can use it again after I am done...? Thanks so much for the help it is greatly appreciated! :)

take green mag and white flood mixed in one shake 30 minutes preworkout. on off days just take green magnitude.

green mag does not need to be cycled. white flood should be cycled off (as well as all other stims/caffeine) for 7-10 days after each tub, then you can jump back on. :)

[fightclub2012]

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;391028801]nice, what is this "stackhouse" comprised of? :D


I thought you might like the sound of that.

[amir_khan]

Is green magnitude better than just a mono or only the taste is better due to added flaver. If it is better how it can provide better result than a regular mono.

Can anyone give me a comparision between green magnitude & sizeon in term of profile & result ??

Is green magnitude makes a good couple with jack3d ??

sorry for three questions at a time.

kindly give your recomendations ///

[CONTROLLED LABS]

[QUOTE=CONTROLLED LABS;391028801]nice, what is this "stackhouse" comprised of? :D


I thought you might like the sound of that.
it does have a nice ring to it :D

Is green magnitude better than just a mono or only the taste is better due to added flaver. If it is better how it can provide better result than a regular mono.

Can anyone give me a comparision between green magnitude & sizeon in term of profile & result ??

Is green magnitude makes a good couple with jack3d ??

sorry for three questions at a time.

kindly give your recomendations ///
green mag is more than just creatine so it has added benefits to the formula, plus it tastes damn good and no bloating like some experience with mono.

[russack]

Hey All! I was looking at the ingredients for Green Mag vs. the new Beast Products Creature. Vitamin Shoppe has a sale going on the Creature, but I hear nothing but good things from Green Mag. I am part of the over-40 crowd and could use about 5-10 pounds of muscle. Diet and exercise are spot on right now. Comments?

[J-Rod]

Without a doubt - It is CLOUT!

[russack]

Hey Amir, haven't used Green Mag, but have tried Jack3d vs. Shock Therapy. The Jack3d hits me within about 15 minutes, and the Shock Therapy takes up to about 30 minutes. Pump and focus, for me, are about 7/10.

[getbig1212]

Thermolife C-bol

[fightclub2012]

Hey All! I was looking at the ingredients for Green Mag vs. the new Beast Products Creature. Vitamin Shoppe has a sale going on the Creature, but I hear nothing but good things from Green Mag. I am part of the over-40 crowd and could use about 5-10 pounds of muscle. Diet and exercise are spot on right now. Comments?

russack do your self some good, get Green Mag and White Flood, and get a good Multi Vitamin, CL all the way bro. one more thing, drink at least 1 gallon of water a day. results do speak for them selves.

[russack]

Sorry, I should have given more detail. I get in about 1 to 1 1/2 gal. of water a day. Hard to choke down sometimes, but I feel soooo much better. I have done a lot of research, that's why my diet and training have gotten a lot of attention. I appreciate the feedback.

[scoops1515]

Lots of people like the monohydrate however, monohydrate is not the best form of creatine. The creatine Ethyl Ester is more efficiently absorbed into the blood stream and then into the muscle cell. Because of the ester attached it becomes more potent and rapidly absorbed which means it takes less amount than regular monohydrate to achieve the same results. Regular monohydrate has to go through your digestive track where some of it will be wasted and not absorbed, so the recommended 5-10 grams that's on the label will only be 50% absorbed. Thats why ethyl ester is a better more efficient creatine product. And personally I like axis labs CEE (Creatine Ethyl Ester)

[jayjee123]

green bulge

[GPx]

On monohydrate now, man does this stuff make my stomach sick. :(

[NO HYPE]

Thermolife C-bol

A product in a class by itself.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Hey All! I was looking at the ingredients for Green Mag vs. the new Beast Products Creature. Vitamin Shoppe has a sale going on the Creature, but I hear nothing but good things from Green Mag. I am part of the over-40 crowd and could use about 5-10 pounds of muscle. Diet and exercise are spot on right now. Comments?
you cant go wrong with green mag and it will almost certainly be cheaper per serving. the flavor is also amazingly unbelievable :)

russack do your self some good, get Green Mag and White Flood, and get a good Multi Vitamin, CL all the way bro. one more thing, drink at least 1 gallon of water a day. results do speak for them selves.
very good stack suggestion right there. for a multi, def check out orange triad (although its so much more since its 3 products in 1 bottle) :)

green bulge

very good option as well if you can pay a bit more per serving this has some extras that green magnitude does not include. its also great for stim free energy with its high dosed B vitamins :)

[getbig1212]

A product in a class by itself.

no doubt, my second bottle came today ;]

[naturalguy]

I tried Green Mag and it didn't work for me.....I have not tried Green Bulge because I hate pills.

If anyone has any suggestions for me it would be greatly appreciated. Once again I am not sold on Cell Tech because the @hit is expensive...but I need something that will work for me where the other creatins have not.

You can give Storm a try. It has multiple forms of creatine (giving you a better chance of responding) plus extras. It tastes great and is THE best price/serving of any flavored creatine product. It can't be beat.

[RogerBaker2]

Whats up i'm 17 and i'm looking for something that will really help me see a difference by the 31st but i am also going to continue using it after. I work out basically every monday - friday with minor stuff on weekends.
I've seen a lot of different kinds but i'm looking for something I can go buy tomorrow at GNC and nothing tooo expensive i can spend aorund 50-70
thanks

[darkphase]

Whats up i'm 17 and i'm looking for something that will really help me see a difference by the 31st but i am also going to continue using it after. I work out basically every monday - friday with minor stuff on weekends.
I've seen a lot of different kinds but i'm looking for something I can go buy tomorrow at GNC and nothing tooo expensive i can spend aorund 50-70
thanks

i would say green magnitude very cheap effective fast results good strength and taste
amazing
IMHO
by controlled labs

[chefwaffles]

Green magnitude by far! they combined the two best creatine into one supplement!

[turbo-d]

i vote for universal storm also! its a very strong mass builder in kombination with super pump or shock therapy

[impykid]

very good option as well if you can pay a bit more per serving this has some extras that green magnitude does not include. its also great for stim free energy with its high dosed B vitamins :)

When you mention certain extras, what exactly does Bulge have over Magnitude, is it B vitamins? What would you suggest is better, bulge or magnitude? Im currently using magnitude but I like the idea of pills better just due to ease of use. Also would you suggest white flood pills or powder? I like pills better but am willing to use powder if its a better product.

Thanks

[RogerBaker2]

Thanks guys i'll prob go pick up some green mag either tonight or tmw

[JOLLYL]

MRI anabolic switch is also a really good creatine.

[johnsocr]

green mag for sure. works awesome. try it out.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

i would say green magnitude very cheap effective fast results good strength and taste
amazing
IMHO
by controlled labs


Green magnitude by far! they combined the two best creatine into one supplement!




green mag for sure. works awesome. try it out.
glad you guys are all loving green magnitude. for those who want to try it free, check the link in my signature below for details :)

When you mention certain extras, what exactly does Bulge have over Magnitude, is it B vitamins? What would you suggest is better, bulge or magnitude? Im currently using magnitude but I like the idea of pills better just due to ease of use. Also would you suggest white flood pills or powder? I like pills better but am willing to use powder if its a better product.

Thanks yes, that is part of it as well as other ingredients, including orotic acid. :) one is not "better" than the other, they each provide for different individual needs and at different price points per serving.

[redsnapper]

MAN Clout works better than anything out there.

[naturalguy]

i vote for universal storm also! its a very strong mass builder in kombination with super pump or shock therapy

Storm cannot be beat @ 80 servings for $28.99 :eek:

The Blue Raspberry is the best tasting creatine on the market.

[jwpaine]

Lots of people like the monohydrate however, monohydrate is not the best form of creatine. The creatine Ethyl Ester is more efficiently absorbed into the blood stream and then into the muscle cell. Because of the ester attached it becomes more potent and rapidly absorbed which means it takes less amount than regular monohydrate to achieve the same results. Regular monohydrate has to go through your digestive track where some of it will be wasted and not absorbed, so the recommended 5-10 grams that's on the label will only be 50% absorbed. Thats why ethyl ester is a better more efficient creatine product. And personally I like axis labs CEE (Creatine Ethyl Ester)

Incorrect, this is simply what the product companies want you to believe.


Baylor University

ABSTRACT

The Effects of Creatine Ethyl Ester Supplementation Combined with Resistance Training on Body Composition, Muscle Mass and Performance, and Intramuscular Creatine Uptake in Males

Mike Spillane, M.S.Ed.
Advisor: Darryn S. Willoughby, Ph.D.

Creatine monohydrate has become one of the most popular ingested nutritional supplements due to its potential enhancement of athletic performance. Creatine absorption from the serum into skeletal muscle occurs through the utilization of a membrane-spanning protein, CreaT1. Numerous creatine formulations have been developed primarily to maximize creatine absorption. Creatine ethyl ester (CEE) has been chemically modified by adding an ester group and is thought to increase creatine bioavailability by by-passing the CreaT1. This study examined how a seven week supplementation regimen with CEE affected body composition, muscle mass and performance, whole body creatine retention, as well physiological and molecular adaptations, associated with creatine uptake in nonresistance-trained males following a resistance-training program.

Creatine ethyl ester did not show any additional benefit to increase muscle strength or performance. Additionally, body weight, fat-free mass, thigh mass, and body fat were not significantly enhanced with creatine ethyl ester supplementation compared to placebo or creatine monohydrate groups. Increases in body water were similar to the placebo and creatine monohydrate groups. The vast majority of the improvement seen can be attributed to the training protocol itself, not the supplementation. Creatine ethyl ester supplementation did show a large increase in creatinine levels throughout the study. With no significant increase in total muscle creatine content, it can be concluded that a large portion of the creatine ethyl ester was being degraded within the GI track during ingestion. Furthermore, the skeletal muscle uptake of creatine ethyl ester uptake was not significant enough to increase skeletal muscle creatine levels without significant degradation occurring

Full study: google for 'mike_spillane_masters.pdf', apparently I don't have enough posts here to post a link.

Kind regards,
John

[wor6]

Lots of people like the monohydrate however, monohydrate is not the best form of creatine. The creatine Ethyl Ester is more efficiently absorbed into the blood stream and then into the muscle cell. Because of the ester attached it becomes more potent and rapidly absorbed which means it takes less amount than regular monohydrate to achieve the same results. Regular monohydrate has to go through your digestive track where some of it will be wasted and not absorbed, so the recommended 5-10 grams that's on the label will only be 50% absorbed. Thats why ethyl ester is a better more efficient creatine product. And personally I like axis labs CEE (Creatine Ethyl Ester)

what about gaspari size on, im about to start taking it in combination with super pump

[amato9588]

Another +1 for Green Mag. Green Apple FTW!

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Another +1 for Green Mag. Green Apple FTW!

absolutely, cant be beat for the combination of effects, flavor and price per serving (oh yeah and a real dose of all ingredients, no fairy dust ;) )

[El Fuerte]

I just want to say thanks to controlled labs, I have gained 21lbs so far I cant believe it.
I have a question, my bottle is almost done and the creatine is starting to turn into little rocks, is it safe to still drink it?


thanks

[Bearster18]

I love CL products but man do I have problems with them and my digestive system. I use GM and WF both of which cause me constant bloating nightmares with bad gas. I've tried taking one or the other and they both do it. So after I run out of these I'm going to have to switch to some other kind of creatine and NO product. Whats a good one to use? I'm thinking CEE for a creatine and I'm not sure about a NO product. I'm kinda scared to waste money on something that makes me sick.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I just want to say thanks to controlled labs, I have gained 21lbs so far I cant believe it.
I have a question, my bottle is almost done and the creatine is starting to turn into little rocks, is it safe to still drink it?


thanks
WOW, that is awesome. yes, that is still fine to use. if you live in a humid area, make sure to keep it in the fridge to avoid moisture getting in (the fridge is the least humid area of the house) :)

I love CL products but man do I have problems with them and my digestive system. I use GM and WF both of which cause me constant bloating nightmares with bad gas. I've tried taking one or the other and they both do it. So after I run out of these I'm going to have to switch to some other kind of creatine and NO product. Whats a good one to use? I'm thinking CEE for a creatine and I'm not sure about a NO product. I'm kinda scared to waste money on something that makes me sick.

that is odd. have you tried taking them with a rice cake or granola bar? also, splitting the green mag dose to half pre and half post may help. have you tried just one to see if it is just one of the two causing it? (PM me so I can help you in more detail)

[xStevenx]

I have 2 that I'd say work the best for me. First, I'd say size on, it worked well for me, gained good amount of mass and it tasted good. But, I'm now taking "Allmax micronized Creapure creatine mono" I think I may be liking this more as my results are evident within the 3 weeks that I've used it thus far!

glad you are liking it!! creapure is the way to go!

[mijymaj]

I've tried both monohydrate, and ethylester. I was rather indifferent to both of these forms. Until a friend recommended sci-fits kre-aklalyn 1500. Almost instantly (1-2 days) I noticed a big difference in strength and hardness! This is on just 2 caps a day...that's it!

[Drummerboy]

Creapure. Period.

~D~

[Inspired916]

I might try creapure,but I always seem to come back to CL products,they are just so solid.

[Kuldipinho]

i've got a quick question. does creatine play any other role than supplying you with energy?

[Wackman12]

i do not want to put on weight, i just want more muscle. Is green mag for me?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

i do not want to put on weight, i just want more muscle. Is green mag for me?

how are you going to gain muscle without putting on weight? unless you have a lot of fat to lose.

[Wackman12]

how are you going to gain muscle without putting on weight? unless you have a lot of fat to lose.

i guess i want to put on weight but i do not want to get thicker, just stronger and more cut. is green mag for me?

[parkerdirk]

A product in a class by itself.

will definately avoid this product pretty much soley on your annoying posts. Are you seriousely employed as rep for this company? because you're doing a really bad job, making the company sound naff.

For everyone else reading this i run a gym (in uk) and have tried loads of creatine products.
quick breakdown.
#1 phd synergy. Not strictly creatine product but "all in one" formula, but taste great and amazing results, quite expensive though. Most popular product in our gym by a country mile.

#2 creapure caps, Reflex. Shouldnt matter who produces as creapure should be the same no matter what. cheap, clean very effective

#3 Sizeon. Not sure what all the fuss is about, straight creapure is better and cheaper.

#4 no-explode. Not really a creatine product, should be in another catagory. Works well though - however we recommend try and not use every workout as you sortof become reliant on it. Effects seem to diminish over time. Save for Personal best attempts or a "friday beach weights session" ; ) This can make you feel quesy be carefull

#5 phd wired. Another stimulant that contains creatine. Works well, very good for cardio / mma sessions.

#6 celltech. Yes this works, but then any product containing creatine mono and sugar/dextrose will. Way over priced. Just add fast acting carbs to your reg creatine

I see a lot of people rate the controlled labs stuff. Haven't tried it, not sure if its avilable tk UK retailers, if it is and you want to send me some samples pm me. If i like it i'll review it and stock in my shop. Peace

[parkerdirk]

WOW, that is awesome. yes, that is still fine to use. if you live in a humid area, make sure to keep it in the fridge to avoid moisture getting in (the fridge is the least humid area of the house) :)


that is odd. have you tried taking them with a rice cake or granola bar? also, splitting the green mag dose to half pre and half post may help. have you tried just one to see if it is just one of the two causing it? (PM me so I can help you in more detail)


Hi
Your fridge is actually has the highest relative humidity in the house due it being cold.I would not store any powders here.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

i guess i want to put on weight but i do not want to get thicker, just stronger and more cut. is green mag for me?
sure will, just make sure your diet is on key. :)

Hi
Your fridge is actually has the highest relative humidity in the house due it being cold.I would not store any powders here.

cold air holds less humidity than hot, a fridge can be as low as 10-20% humidity if left closed for extended periods of time, double check your source ;)

[garrettadamsmith]

can you stack green bulge and animal pump?

[NO HYPE]

will definately avoid this product pretty much soley on your annoying posts.

Mission accomplished.

People like you, deserve the inferior products.

[NO HYPE]

For everyone else reading this i run a gym (in uk)

Riveting.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

can you stack green bulge and animal pump?
no need for both, choose one or the other. green bulge was updated earlier this year and no longer contains CEE and got a huge upgrade in ingredients at no additional cost to the customer. bb.com has also certified that we use a GMP facility for production via their "quality checked" program, all important things to consider when getting ready to make a purchase :)

[bbdawtcom]

only 1 scoop of green mag preworkout needed?

[drazer]

What is actually the main difference between green bulge and green mag.
Are they both the same products but with one being a powder and the other being capsules?

[Doba]

how about suggesting somthing for a first time Creatine user? 30yrs old 183lbs bulking. so far after reading posts im leaning towards Green mag

[CONTROLLED LABS]

only 1 scoop of green mag preworkout needed?
correct

What is actually the main difference between green bulge and green mag.
Are they both the same products but with one being a powder and the other being capsules?similar, but green bulge has more added goodies and is a bit more expensive per serving. it has high dosed (great forms) of the B vitamins for non stim intensity as well as orotic acid and others.


how about suggesting somthing for a first time Creatine user? 30yrs old 183lbs bulking. so far after reading posts im leaning towards Green mag

def a great choice and you can start with the smaller 40 serving contianer for less than 30 bucks :)

[Doba]

def a great choice and you can start with the smaller 40 serving contianer for less than 30 bucks :)

$30 eh, this is only online order price? cause last night I went GNC and theyre selling it for $70 thats twice the price.. jeez

where and how do I get it for $30 in Canada?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

$30 eh, this is only online order price? cause last night I went GNC and theyre selling it for $70 thats twice the price.. jeez

where and how do I get it for $30 in Canada?

$25.99 on bb.com, then use the 10% off code to get it for $23.39 ;)

maybe that is the 80 serving at gnc?

get it from bb.com if you can, nice and cheap.

[BXTT]

Starting a new cycle.

SizeON, GreenMAG, or Green Bulge? Anybody have experience with these products and which one would you recommend?

And if I opt for the CL products, is there a difference between Mag and Bulge? and if I opt for the SizeON, is there any ingredients that would counteract with me taking WF right now?

thanzkzzrep.

[calxma122]

$25.99 on bb.com, then use the 10% off code to get it for $23.39 ;)

maybe that is the 80 serving at gnc?

get it from bb.com if you can, nice and cheap.http://www.squ2.com/c/4.jpg

yeah i noticed stuff on bb.com is so much cheaper than at your local GNC store!

[Morphzero]

Sizeon Fruit Punch all the way. Was so impressed with it, that half way through my first tub I bought 2 more :D (SP250 too!)

[Doba]

$25.99 on bb.com, then use the 10% off code to get it for $23.39 ;)

maybe that is the 80 serving at gnc?

get it from bb.com if you can, nice and cheap.

any idea how much shipping will bone you to Canada, with the taxes and border fees it might come out to the same thing.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Starting a new cycle.

SizeON, GreenMAG, or Green Bulge? Anybody have experience with these products and which one would you recommend?

And if I opt for the CL products, is there a difference between Mag and Bulge? and if I opt for the SizeON, is there any ingredients that would counteract with me taking WF right now?

thanzkzzrep.
white flood stacks well with any of them. green mag is a powder that is more economical per serving. green bulge is capsules with more extras that cost a bit more per serving.

yeah i noticed stuff on bb.com is so much cheaper than at your local GNC store!
yup, less overhead, so they pass on the savings

any idea how much shipping will bone you to Canada, with the taxes and border fees it might come out to the same thing.
bb.com usually has good shipping rates

[Marlintino]

looking to start creatine soon, gonna try the pills first...which are the best creatine pills to buy?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

looking to start creatine soon, gonna try the pills first...which are the best creatine pills to buy?

green bulge creatine pills are a great option :)

[perfektion]

have only tried cellmass and creadyl
creadyl has been MUCH better than cellmass was for me

[bwolcott]

Ive had good results with millenium nutritions pure creatine monohydrate it is flavorless so I just mix it with my protein and don't even notice it was there, you get 500 grams from physicaladdictions.com for like 28 bucks and I am very happy with the results.

[jturcotte]

looking to start creatine soon, gonna try the pills first...which are the best creatine pills to buy?

Green budge is a solid product man, if ur looking for capsules. This was the first creatine i used, and i got some pretty solid results with it. I don't even know why i try other creatines, as soon I'm done with the mono I'm going to pick some up.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Green budge is a solid product man, if ur looking for capsules. This was the first creatine i used, and i got some pretty solid results with it. I don't even know why i try other creatines, as soon I'm done with the mono I'm going to pick some up.

green bulge is an excellent choice and we upgraded it majorly a little less than a year ago and at no additional expense to the customer :eek:

[PushingTheLimit]

Check out Beast Sports Creature. Very solid creatine. the price is great and its in the capsule form.

[jwpaine]

Controlled Labs: Why is it recommended to take one scoop of Green Magnitude pre-workout, and not post-workout with dextrose to spike insulin?

It would be appreciated if you could please explain in detail without generalizing.

Thanks,
John

[MetalPulse]

Cell Tech Hardcore from MuscleTech works really well, or at least my body responded very well to it. It has 4 different types of creatine in it. I think it's a decent formula, however, I got a ****ing kidney stone from it. Unfortunately, I'm not one of those guys that can take creatine. You don't want to experience that kind of pain. But if you've taken creatine, and have never had any problems with it, then I would recommend it for sure.

[Gregry]

Straight up creatine mono is what i take. Works fine for me and its cheap.

[mc-]

is there really a difference if you just go with cGMP* creapure?
That's straight cr/mono, which is what's used in research studies.
to be real creapure, the purity is assured, and if it's repackaged by another cGMP lab of choice, there really can't be any difference between products; just packaging, no?

* a bit about cGMP and supplement purity/certification (http://www.begin2dig.com/2009/07/is-whats-on-label-really-in-your.html)

mc

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Controlled Labs: Why is it recommended to take one scoop of Green Magnitude pre-workout, and not post-workout with dextrose to spike insulin?

It would be appreciated if you could please explain in detail without generalizing.

Thanks,
John

green mag is more than creatine. the additional ingredients are great for a stim free energy/focus for the workout, so its best pre. creatine itself can be taken anytime of the day and does not require a sugar for absorption. if you have any other questions post here or send me a PM :)

[Culebra]

higher power mono creatine..

[Mattyd007]

ALR Industries Cr2 Pure Creatine Ethyl Ester





If you had to pick just ONE creatine product, what would be the best one for the best results?

Please pick a product and include the brand. Give your reasons. The best answers will be displayed on the main Bodybuilding.com site for millions of people to see!

(Note: This is not a discussion about how or when to take creatine, if creatine works, or why some creatines do not work. Just list your absolute favorite creatine product and give your detailed reason.)

[WilliamMuscle]

Creatine (Universal Nutrition)
Vitargo-CGL (Nutrex)

[Warzephyr]

I have a question...

I kind of have a gut, and along with a shoulder injury that has never fully recovered I stopped working out as often as i used to.

I was wondering if I took Green bulge, if it would increase my muscle tone and and not necessarily add more fat to my body? Also is there a fat burner or cutter you would recommend i take with green bulge?

And kind of in general, is it possible to cut down fat while on creatine period?

Thanks

[darkphase]

I have a question...

I kind of have a gut, and along with a shoulder injury that has never fully recovered I stopped working out as often as i used to.

I was wondering if I took Green bulge, if it would increase my muscle tone and and not necessarily add more fat to my body? Also is there a fat burner or cutter you would recommend i take with green bulge?

And kind of in general, is it possible to cut down fat while on creatine period?

Thanks

i really don't think creatine adds fat to your body the size you get is from the strength it gave you so that's mostly your placebo there and then the water retention

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I have a question...

I kind of have a gut, and along with a shoulder injury that has never fully recovered I stopped working out as often as i used to.

I was wondering if I took Green bulge, if it would increase my muscle tone and and not necessarily add more fat to my body? Also is there a fat burner or cutter you would recommend i take with green bulge?

And kind of in general, is it possible to cut down fat while on creatine period?

Thanks

green bulge wont add fat or bloat you, so no worries there. sure, you can cut fat while taking creatine. creatine will help to keep strength up while cutting

[j0sh]

ok ive tried many different creatine products an none of them worked, then i bought german creapure creatine mono an my god it worked wonders!

[spartan09]

green bulge is an excellent choice and we upgraded it majorly a little less than a year ago and at no additional expense to the customer :eek:

What kind of upgrades?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

What kind of upgrades?

replaced the cee, added high dosed/good forms of the b vitamins and a complete overhaul of the extras in the other complex. :)

[spartan09]

replaced the cee, added high dosed/good forms of the b vitamins and a complete overhaul of the extras in the other complex. :)

Interesting, so what differences would i see? I tried the old formula and Green Bulge and loved it but just wanna know what to expect with the upgrades. Thanks!

[cBurN]

hey guys i am thinking about buying green bulge i looked at the info and stuff and i see a serving size is 5 pills i have trouble with animal pak am i gonna struggle with swallowing these...? or should i use green mag if so what type of creatine is green mag does it promote the massive bloating or not, does it taste decent let me kno i plan on purchasing one of them in the next 4 hours and could i take along with jack3d an mix without a problem

[spartan09]

hey guys i am thinking about buying green bulge i looked at the info and stuff and i see a serving size is 5 pills i have trouble with animal pak am i gonna struggle with swallowing these...? or should i use green mag if so what type of creatine is green mag does it promote the massive bloating or not, does it taste decent let me kno i plan on purchasing one of them in the next 4 hours and could i take along with jack3d an mix without a problem

Not sure how big the animal pak pills are to compare, but green bulge wasn't hard to swallow for me.

Green mag is great, no bloating and the taste is refreshing

[Steds182]

Reflex Creatine Uptake! Monohydrate creatine using Creapure!
The fruit punch flavour is AMAZING! I could drink it all day (obviously i dont).
Best part is i've noticed results using it.

[II Cybershot II]

Should I take Green Mag on off days? I work out 4 times a week. Thanks.

edit: yep I should.

[MuscleControl]

I use creatine monohydrate so I believe creatine is creatine. I just buy any time of creatine that is cheap and useful! :)

[bone6493]

Cell Tech Hardcore from MuscleTech works really well, or at least my body responded very well to it. It has 4 different types of creatine in it. I think it's a decent formula, however, I got a ****ing kidney stone from it. Unfortunately, I'm not one of those guys that can take creatine. You don't want to experience that kind of pain. But if you've taken creatine, and have never had any problems with it, then I would recommend it for sure.

i had a kidney stone before and don't want another one! was gonna get some creatine, but i don't know now.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Interesting, so what differences would i see? I tried the old formula and Green Bulge and loved it but just wanna know what to expect with the upgrades. Thanks!
basically amplify the befits you saw before by a considerable amount plus add in stim free energy and all at no additional cost ;)

hey guys i am thinking about buying green bulge i looked at the info and stuff and i see a serving size is 5 pills i have trouble with animal pak am i gonna struggle with swallowing these...? or should i use green mag if so what type of creatine is green mag does it promote the massive bloating or not, does it taste decent let me kno i plan on purchasing one of them in the next 4 hours and could i take along with jack3d an mix without a problem
regular capsules (00 size) not hard to get down. they arent horse tablets or anything. green mag tastes amazing and you cant go wrong either way


Green mag is great, no bloating and the taste is refreshing
exactly

Should I take Green Mag on off days? I work out 4 times a week. Thanks.

edit: yep I should.

yup, green mag or bulge every day

[Quietstorm3155]

So Im getting ready to start supplementing again. Im not sure what creatine would go good with my list. Plus there's to many diff creatines to choose from. Is Mono the only creatine that you can get flavorless?

Controlled Labs- WhiteFlood (pre w/o N.O.)
ON Platinum Hydro Whey (pre W/O with a creatine mix in)
Cytosport- Cytogainer (post w/o gainer and snack through the day)
ON 100% Casein (before bed SLOW release protein)

So those are my 4 supps this cyle. Just not sure about a creatine. Im thinkingg of flavorless so I dont have to take so many liquid drinks. I can just mix it in. Btw, not interested in pills.

What do you guys think of my list???
What do you suggest for creatine???
Is the flavorved stuff as strong or does the flavourless have a higher % of Creatine?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

So Im getting ready to start supplementing again. Im not sure what creatine would go good with my list. Plus there's to many diff creatines to choose from. Is Mono the only creatine that you can get flavorless?

Controlled Labs- WhiteFlood (pre w/o N.O.)
ON Platinum Hydro Whey (pre W/O with a creatine mix in)
Cytosport- Cytogainer (post w/o gainer and snack through the day)
ON 100% Casein (before bed SLOW release protein)

So those are my 4 supps this cyle. Just not sure about a creatine. Im thinkingg of flavorless so I dont have to take so many liquid drinks. I can just mix it in. Btw, not interested in pills.

What do you guys think of my list???
What do you suggest for creatine???
Is the flavorved stuff as strong or does the flavourless have a higher % of Creatine?

green magnitude stacks very well with the white flood you are already taking. many mix them together and take it 30 minutes pre workout (anytime on off days)

[Ricklovin]

I'm debating whether to go with Green Magnitude or Green Bulge. I was looking at the ingredients and GM has twice as much creatine as Green Bulge. Will 2.5 g vs 5 g still be effective? Also, is the lemonade flavor of Green Mag any good? Thanks for the help.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I'm debating whether to go with Green Magnitude or Green Bulge. I was looking at the ingredients and GM has twice as much creatine as Green Bulge. Will 2.5 g vs 5 g still be effective? Also, is the lemonade flavor of Green Mag any good? Thanks for the help.

at less than 200 pounds, 2.5 grams should be sufficient. the lemonade and apple green mag are both truly unbelievable, they taste amazing.

[HardGainerBBall]

I was thinking of buying the Green Mag/White Flood/Purple InTrain combo package from bb.com ($100 for a tub of each, not bad).

The one thing I was wondering, though, how does Green Mag compare to Kre-Alkalyn?

[batmanman]

If a company had a lemonade flavored creatine mono with no sugar, I think I could buy that....

[SportPharmaRep]

If a company had a lemonade flavored creatine mono with no sugar, I think I could buy that....

How about crystal light (or other no sugar powder drink mix) mixed with creatine mono? :p

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I was thinking of buying the Green Mag/White Flood/Purple InTrain combo package from bb.com ($100 for a tub of each, not bad).

The one thing I was wondering, though, how does Green Mag compare to Kre-Alkalyn?

green mag has some amazing creatines, great taste, amazing value and is much more than just creatine :)

smart move, the value is insane :eek:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/purple-green-white.html

get it fast at a great price. normally this is $106 bucks from bb.com, now only $99, then use the 10% discount get all 3 for $90 bucks :eek:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/purple-green-white.jpg

[Calvin_D]

green mag has some amazing creatines, great taste, amazing value and is much more than just creatine :)

smart move, the value is insane :eek:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/purple-green-white.html

get it fast at a great price. normally this is $106 bucks from bb.com, now only $99, then use the 10% discount get all 3 for $90 bucks :eek:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/purple-green-white.jpg

Wait, so, if I take green mag, how much creatine should I take to stack?

For example, would I take 5 grams of creatine for a week before my workouts? Or 2.5 before and 2.5g after? Then after that just take 2.5 grams before my workout?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Wait, so, if I take green mag, how much creatine should I take to stack?

For example, would I take 5 grams of creatine for a week before my workouts? Or 2.5 before and 2.5g after? Then after that just take 2.5 grams before my workout?

just 1 serving of green magnitude is all you need for creatine

[Calvin_D]

just 1 serving of green magnitude is all you need for creatine

I know, but I heard loading up on creatine makes the process faster, how much should I take when I'm loading for a week? Two scoops per day? And should I take it before AND after workouts, or just before? (Off the loading phase). Do I have to drink a lot of water?

[naturalguy]

looking to start creatine soon, gonna try the pills first...which are the best creatine pills to buy?

Animal Pump is a great choice, although it has a full dose of creatine it's so much more, it's a complete pre-workout formula and the only one that allows you the option to leave out the stims if you want (all contained in a single red pill).