How to make your own injectables ...

[Big Cat]

I've been a protagonist of ordering steroids in powder/oil for a while now. Problems with shipping amps and vials internationally make it near impossible to create good odds on it arriving without spending a fortune on the way of shipping. And the risks of using domestic sources make that an option I usually avoid as well. But many seem reluctant to go this way, because they feel they couldn't make their own injectable compounds. Yet this is quite easy.

What you need is either arachis or sesame oil, some benzyl alcohol, syringes and clean containers. Say you want to do a 10 week cycle of 500 mg per week test enanthate, so you order 5 grams of test enth powder. At 250 mg/ml that means 20 ml of gear. Take your syringe and fill your container with pure water, but keep track of the amount. When you have 20 ml in there, mark it. Empty the container. Calculate 3%, in this case 0.6 ml. Heat the oil to 100 degrees C or 212 degrees F. let it cool. Dump the powder in the container, then add oil to just below the 20 ml mark, Then use a syringe to add 0.6 ml of Benzyl alcohol and if its still below the 20 ml mark, add some more oil til you reach that mark. Shake it up real well, and voila : one cycle's worth of testosterone enanthate. Seem like a lot of trouble, but if you can guarantee delivery of the product its a much safer option than internationally shipping vials, or risk prosecution with domestic sources.

[Spock]

I have to agree with this, it really is simple, even for those of you who maybe arent too confident - just follow what BC says above - you honestly cant go wrong.

This works just as well for Fina - the secrets out - you dont need to buy a kit, they are simply unneccessary. The pellets will dissolve directly into oil, leaving the crap at the bottom.

[Voodoo]

Cat and Spock.... check your PMs.

[Flo32]

Interesting - BC have you tried this yourself?...what are the sterility issues?......Im sure noone wants a increased risk of infection

[obannion]

Sterilizing gear is simple. Order a few filters and bake in the oven if necessary and your all set. I filtered my fina twice to be safe and all is good. I would have no problem making my own gear. Good post!!

[BSMNT732]

This idea is very good, but with the exception of fina pellets i have never seen various powders such as test powder. Are they fairly common or is it sill a pain in the ass to get them?

[Nastyn]

Bump on BSMNT732 question...I also have not seen much on test powder but for sure would give it a go as long as it was as sterile as bottled test.....Great info BC I'm sending you a PM

[Big Cat]

Originally posted by Flo32
Interesting - BC have you tried this yourself?...what are the sterility issues?......Im sure noone wants a increased risk of infection

There is none, by heating the oil and adding benzyl alcohol you get a double whammy. gear is completely sterile and unlike IP or TT bathtub gear, you know exactly how much you get, since you made it.

[Big Cat]

Originally posted by BSMNT732
This idea is very good, but with the exception of fina pellets i have never seen various powders such as test powder. Are they fairly common or is it sill a pain in the ass to get them?

Quite easy to get, they are also cheaper and easier to ship. Which is why I'm posting this to help people out.

[size]

Would importing a test enanthate powder be illegal? for research purposes only of course.

[Big Cat]

In principle yes, since its a schedule III drug. But since it allows for very easy and convenient shipping, its not a biggie getting it in.

[cjm8232]

BC when you say domestic sources are risky do you mean in your country or here in the US. I don't see how using domestic here in the US is risky if you know you have a reliable source. Can you elaborate?

[Big Cat]

If you already have a reliable source its less of a risk. The risk is that if your source isn't who he says he is, or even if he just rolled over for uncle Sam, the next time you order you are ordering inside a legal jurisdiction and they have proof you ordered, which makes you liable.

[size]

BigCat.............

How about converting winstrol to an injectable? could you put winny into an oil, say a test/winny mix oil, (250mgtest+50mg winny per mL)?
Or would you have to prepare the winny with water?

[gofer]

What kind of container? What are they called, and do you use the same container for each injection?Shake it every time?

There's no h2o in the final solution right?
After you empty the water, you add .6 of oil ? then heat?
cool for how long?

one more: What's the shelf life? Best to refridgerate?

[dnoel]

yeah, no kidding.. very informative post big cat, thanks for bringing that out!

[Big Cat]

Originally posted by size
BigCat.............

How about converting winstrol to an injectable? could you put winny into an oil, say a test/winny mix oil, (250mgtest+50mg winny per mL)?
Or would you have to prepare the winny with water?

Winny with water. You could make it with oil and test, but if its a long acting test, then your winny is in the same shot. You only need to take test once a week and winny every day. Unless you had pure test, but you'd want to make that with water too. 50 mg test and 50 mg Winny per ml.

[Big Cat]

What kind of container? What are they called, and do you use the same container for each injection?Shake it every time?

Doesn't matter, just make sure it closes tightly and remains clean. I use these tubes they use for blood testing, get them off my dad. They hold about 30-50 ml, and they have a rubber cap, so once its made, I can just use it like a vial.

With very lipophillic substances like boldenone undecylenate, testosterone enanthate, methenolone enanthate and nandrolone decanoate you don't need to shake it every time, they will stay in solution. With less lipophillic substances like 17AA steroids and tren acetate, shaking before use is the best option. With 17AA you would preferably use a water base as well, and that you have to shake before use regardless because steroids don't dissolve in water.

There's no h2o in the final solution right?
After you empty the water, you add .6 of oil ? then heat?
cool for how long?

No, in this case, for 5 grams of test when trying to make 250 mg/ml, you add oil until your total solution (test+oil) equals 19.4 ml and then you add .6 of benzyl alcohol to keep it sterile.

one more: What's the shelf life? Best to refridgerate?

Same as any injectable you've ever used. Should stay good at least a year and a half.

[Littleman]

Great post BC and thankx for the help.

PEACE

[size]

Thanks BC,

stupid me, i did not even think about the fact that i would be injecting winny ed. I would be getting 1.75 grams of test a week, too high for me. thanks though....i may be experimenting in this so i will let you know how it goes.

[gofer]

Thanks again Big Cat!

[Big Cat]

Originally posted by size
Thanks BC,

stupid me, i did not even think about the fact that i would be injecting winny ed. I would be getting 1.75 grams of test a week, too high for me. thanks though....i may be experimenting in this so i will let you know how it goes.

Just keep in mind that unesterified steroids have a lower solubility than esterified steroids.

[AAAColumbo]

Big Cat...I think I may already know the answer to this question, but does it matter if you go ahead and dump the powder in the contained first, then the 0.6ml of Alcohol, then pour the oil until it reaches the 20ml mark?

[Big Cat]

In theory yes, but dumping such a small amount of alcohol on the powder may cause it to evaporate. So I wouldn't.

[borgia]

maybe this could be placed under the FAQ section for easy future reference? It is very usefull and lots of ppl (including myself) seem to be new to this, though there seem to be only advantages!!

[Big Cat]

i'll make it a sticky for now and put it in the FAQ at a later date.

[redman]

Great post Big Cat... This could be the end of under dosed/filled gear. You got a PM Bro...

[size]

What is the best way to re-sterilize the vial/container after you put water in it to mark and remove it? or should you just avoid this a fill with sterile water in the first place, such as boiling it.

[Big Cat]

If nothing else was in it in the mean time, just replenish with sterile oil and benzyl alcohol, no prob.

[Flo32]

Is anyone going to / is trying this?

IE making there own per BC's instructions?

Would be interesting to see the results and effects - and sure as hell beats IP's stuff.

[Big Cat]

Actually in the middle of doing it myself for an athlete of mine. Will let you guys know how it works out. Its easy as hell though. One 30 ml vial with a screw top, 5 grams of test enanthate powder in it, one rubbertop 30 ml vial with 7 ml of boldenone undecylenate oil in it. Bottle of arachis oil, cook to 100 degrees C (212 F), let cool, use syringe to add oil to the test at just below the 25 ml mark, syringe and needle to add it to the boldenone to just below the 30 ml mark. Fill up to respective marks with respective amounts of benzyl (3%) in this case 0.75 and 0.9 ml. Shake and let sit until completely cooled.

I'm giving it to him tonight, he will do his first inject tomorrow.

[Voodoo]

The thing I like about this is that you know exactly what's in it and you know what the dosage is.

[Big Cat]

Exactly, its safer than using IP or TT gear because you know how sterile it is, and its better because you know its not underdosed.

[Flo32]

So in theory how much would 30ML of Test Enth at 250/1ML cost like for like against Testoviron or something similar??

[Big Cat]

Lets see, at the cost of 5 grams, I could make 20 ml at 250 mg/ml

Cost of oil = $1.09
Cost of BA = $0.2
Cost of vial = $0.35
Cost of test = $60 (give or take)

Total = $61.64. That's for 20 ml, so 1 ml would be $3.1. Nice considering the normal 8-12 bucks you pay for an amp of test enth.

[Flo32]

Hmmm now thats a very "pennies for a cycle" lol....like it


I see a sudden surge in Test Enth / FIna cycles lol

So what would happen if you wanted 300mg/1ML?....do you think it would work ?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, although I would shake that before use. Both 200 and 250 were quite thick already. The higher your concentration, the less comfortable the injection and the lower gauge needle you need. But yeah, I mean there is test 400, so you can definitely do 300.

[Voodoo]

Do you use a lab scale for your measurements?

[Big Cat]

You can, but it comes in 5 gram packs, so why fight it ? May as well just make it as it comes.

[Todd]

Where do you purchase your rubbertop vials?

[Big Cat]

I got them from someone, I wouldn't really know. I'm sure there are places that sell them. Remember, if you use a rubber top vial, you need another container to make it in first.

[Chrism]

You can get all the euipment you need at Animalkits. That is, if you wouldn't mind giving money to animal.

[Bison]

Originally posted by Todd
Where do you purchase your rubbertop vials?

www.getpinz.com

They sell 10, 20, and 50ml vials for just a few $$ each.

[SPQR]

What about 1-test ether powder, could one essentially make an injectable from that? is it safe?

[Big Cat]

Its pretty irritative, the injections burn like hell and you need to inject it daily.

[RockECU]

BC - I would like to thank you as well for making this post, as I have learned quite a bit from it..

[Big Cat]

Thanx man, appreciate it.

[nhbguy]

Where do you get the oil(s) your reffering to. How do you heat the oils and measure the temp (ie what do you pour it in, and where do you heat it, in oven?, and how do u make sure its 212 f?) Also where do you get this alcohol? And by pure water, u just mean distilled water I hope, right? Thanks!

[Big Cat]

yes, distilled water, or even purer if you like. The oils can be obtained at a pharmacy, a drug store, a health store, even a super market. I can't imagine anyone not being able to get sesame oil. The alcohol at any pharmacy or drug store. I've never come across a pharmacy that didn't have a ready supply of it, and the way pharmacies are supplied, if you go in in the morning and they don't have it, they will have it for you by the afternoon.

You heat it in a pan, on a cooking plate. May get a little bit hotter than 212, but that doesn't matter.

[Chikara]

What would be the potential consequences of not adding the benzyl alcohol ?
ie once prepared without the alcohol, how long before all the solution should be used up ?

[BSMNT732]

Originally posted by Chikara
What would be the potential consequences of not adding the benzyl alcohol ?

Could be risking infection. Id add it for safety, its real cheap and easy to get and its not going to sting like ip gear because you are controlling how much you're putting in.

[Big Cat]

Originally posted by Chikara
What would be the potential consequences of not adding the benzyl alcohol ?
ie once prepared without the alcohol, how long before all the solution should be used up ?

I wouldn't use it a second time, to put it plainly. Without the BA it'll be hard to keep it sterile.

[nhbguy]

Here's my idea to simplify the process. If I was to do this, I would consider using the already sterile cotton seed oil from mychemsupply.com along with there ben. alcohol just to make certain it stays sterile. Even though its a little more spendy, you can eliminate the whole cooking the oil step.

[Big Cat]

Something is only sterile as long as its not exposed to air. So the oil would have to come in a rubber top vial and be transfered with sterile needles and syringes into yet another sterile rubber-top vial.

Now how do you suppose you will get dry powder into a sterile rubber-top vial ?

[nhbguy]

Well, wouldn't the stuff you cook become "unsterlie" once it was exposed to air? I figured the alcohol would accomplish the same thing that it was doing with the "cooked" sesame oil. Either way, aren't both oils going to be exposed to air no matter what?

[Big Cat]

The idea is to mix it as the oil is cooling and put it in a sealed container, like a rubbertop vial. It would be sterile going in, and be sterile no matter what as long as you took it out with a sterile needle.

[size]

Why not mark vial as necessary,then add oil to vial and put vial with oil in it, in boiling water? then the oil will boil in the vial over a period of time and then add powder and ba to the oil in vial. seal and ready to go. I would think this would work but i could be wrong b/c not sure if glass vial could take the heat.

[Big Cat]

It can't, at 212 glass will surely break. The only way to do that, is to put a sufficiently large heat conducive object in, but that would compromise the sterility f the vial.

[size]

Thanks BC, i thought the glass might break. i have never tried heating up glass that high.
How do you suggest transferring hot oil into vial? If oil is to hot does it not melt syringe? or do you let the oil cool(i assume this) if so how cool b/c i would assume that being in open air it would get some contaminants.

[Big Cat]

I let it sit, with a cover on for about 2 to 3 minutes. Oil holds heat very well, so it won't have cooled off all that much, but enough so the glass can take it. Dunno which syringes you use, but mine are plastic, so the can take the heat.

[Judo Tom]

is there any "simple" process for converting pure test powder into a long acting ester type test? to avoid ED or EOD injections?

BTW great great post man!!!

[ctgblue]

Originally posted by Judo Tom
is there any "simple" process for converting pure test powder into a long acting ester type test? to avoid ED or EOD injections?

BTW great great post man!!! You need to chemically attach an ester.
So the short answer is NO, there is no SIMPLE process.

[Big Cat]

The simplest way is to buy test enanthate powder and forget about stuff you don't know much about.

[Adam]

Is this only with test? Is it possible to buy other powder gear?

[Big Cat]

Of course, basically anything that can be obtained in a vial started as a powder at one time. As did most orals.

[Bender-Bot]

How do you get estradiol out of cattle implants?

[Big Cat]

The better question is, why do you have estradiol implants ?

[Bender-Bot]

The implants I can get have 200 mg Trenbolone and 28 mg of estradiol in them. (1 implant)

[Big Cat]

Then don't get those implants ...

[Bender-Bot]

Which implants are the easiest to use? (Canada)

[Guy]

Finaplix

[Big Cat]

Exactly. I mean its one thing to deal with the negative sides of a good product, its another to buy things that contain products that only provide the negative sides when there are other options.

[herkimer wilson]

I have received my first warning, I will not post to this board without reading the board rules first. If it happens again, I understand I will be banned.

[BOZZ]

Originally posted by herkimer wilson
Big Cat- Where can I go about ordering test powder? I have done several of the synovex cattle implants. They are LEGAL to purchase and have. But one needs a kit to remove the estrogen from the test. If I could get test already in powder form, that would solve a lot of my problems. I've even began thinking about putting synovex (test prop and estradiol benzoate) in an oil and shooting just because everyone is saying that Animal is having a bunch of problems right now. A couple of guys have done the test with the estrogen left in, but if I could get test powder, than I wouldn't have to risk gyno.


LMFAO 4 posts and already asking for a source????this isnt triedia bro.


bOZz

[tallcool1]

It takes a real genius to ask the guy who wrote the stickys the question the stickys say not to ask. He obviously has a lot of respect for BC and this site.

[Big Cat]

Originally posted by herkimer wilson
I have done several of the synovex cattle implants. They are LEGAL to purchase and have.

They are NOT legal to purchase unless you are using them to treat your cattle and have proof of ownership of said cattle. If this is the case, trust me that synovex and finaplix are more than adequate for your feedlot steers. If its for some other reason of use that is highly illegal. This thread and these posts are for entertainment purposes only. testosterone powder for human use is illegal in most countries and we do not support or condone it.

[Guy]

Originally posted by Big Cat


They are NOT legal to purchase unless you are using them to treat your cattle and have proof of ownership of said cattle. If this is the case, trust me that synovex and finaplix are more than adequate for your feedlot steers. If its for some other reason of use that is highly illegal. This thread and these posts are for entertainment purposes only. testosterone powder for human use is illegal in most countries and we do not support or condone it.

Who would use testosterone for humans....what good does that do?I mean its so dangerous! :)

[/\/\assi\/e]

great post big cat

[Johan]

Hum when buying gear that is suspended in oil like pure boldenone undecylenat oil is there any benzyl in it or do I need to add extra benzyl when I make it into a injectable??

[Big Cat]

Either you have pure boldenone undecylenate oil, or you have boldenone oil that is suspended. It can't be both. If it is suspended at 50,100 or 200 mg/ml, then it probably has benzyl in it. If its pure boldenone undecylenate oil, then its neither suspended nor added too, or it wouldn't be pure would it ?

[notadog]

Originally posted by Big Cat
Either you have pure boldenone undecylenate oil, or you have boldenone oil that is suspended. It can't be both. If it is suspended at 50,100 or 200 mg/ml, then it probably has benzyl in it. If its pure boldenone undecylenate oil, then its neither suspended nor added too, or it wouldn't be pure would it ?

Oh meaning boldenone undecylenate molecule is liquid thanks
sudenly boldenone undecylenate oil makes sense as apposed
to powder

I learn something new all the time thanks Big Cat
now it so clear i feel like a knuckle head I thought I was reading a missprint

[Johan]

Does the benzyl have any other use in the solution then to keep it sterile??

I mean I have the pure boldenon in a sealed sterile bottle. if I bake the oil and inject it into the bottle then how could bacteria possibly get into the bottle?

[Johan]

and is there any other alcohole I can use??.

metanol?? etanol?? propanol?

or something odd like hydrogen peroxide?

I thought getting benzyl would be a pice of cake. But no not in this ****ing ******* **** dick country. ****ing ****. The only company I found that doesnt have a policy of only selling to other companys only sold benzyl in bulk kvantitys(250liter and upp).

[Big Cat]

Originally posted by Johan
Does the benzyl have any other use in the solution then to keep it sterile??

I mean I have the pure boldenon in a sealed sterile bottle. if I bake the oil and inject it into the bottle then how could bacteria possibly get into the bottle?

Ok, perhaps you don't realize that any exposure can cause bacterial infection, even transfering the solution, or poking a needle in it that was exposed to air. Even legitimate pharmaceutical products use a minimum of 2% benzyl and they are packed under more sterile circumstances than a home-brew.

[Big Cat]

Originally posted by Johan
metanol?? etanol?? propanol?

If you can take the sting of injecting ethanol, be my guest. But I wouldn't. methanol is toxic by the way. Making injectables is easy, but that does not mean you should take liberties with things you do not understand, that's dangerous.

I thought getting benzyl would be a pice of cake. But no not in this ****ing ******* **** dick country. ****ing ****. The only company I found that doesnt have a policy of only selling to other companys only sold benzyl in bulk kvantitys(250liter and upp).

You can walk into any pharmacy and simply request an amount of benzyl. 30 ml will cost you about 2 bucks. They have it in stock regardless, especially the larger pharmacies. if one pharmacy doesn't have it, ask at an another. And if you have time, any pharmacy can get it. Pharmaceutical supply is a matter of hours, if its out of stock it'll still be no more than 10 days before they can procure it.

[Johan]

okay. well as you hear Im desperat right now and had to make sure :)
I suspected that that was going to be the answere.

[Johan]

Originally posted by Big Cat

You can walk into any pharmacy and simply request an amount of benzyl. 30 ml will cost you about 2 bucks. They have it in stock regardless, especially the larger pharmacies. if one pharmacy doesn't have it, ask at an another. And if you have time, any pharmacy can get it. Pharmaceutical supply is a matter of hours, if its out of stock it'll still be no more than 10 days before they can procure it.

Well only one pharmacy in my town, they didnt have it. But never thought about asking if they can order it for me.

[Johan]

Originally posted by Big Cat


If you can take the sting of injecting ethanol, be my guest. But I wouldn't. methanol is toxic by the way. Making injectables is easy, but that does not mean you should take liberties with things you do not understand, that's dangerous.


thats why I am asking. I would never do anything like that if I didnt know its safe. Im not stupid(just retarded haha) :)

thanks for the answeres have to dig deper and harder to find bezyl i guess.

[Big Cat]

I'm positive you could find it at a pharmacy, but if not there are dozens of online places that carry it.

[pulsar125]

i have been looking for exact info on how to covert finaplix to usable tren,anyplace to go to print this out. and any hints to find materials/gear to use? alsoany other convertible stuff to find?
also on vet sites they have synovex-h containing 200 mg of test-propionate any good for us to use? thanx for any help

[notadog]

for benzyl alcohol. Ethenol wont go into solution with oil

http://www.mychemsupply.com/products.htm
and most fina kit guys carry BA.

[Big Cat]

What the hell does that have to do with powders ?

Read the profile on Finaplix.

[SPQR]

cat check your pm

[notadog]

Originally posted by Big Cat
What the hell does that have to do with powders ?

Read the profile on Finaplix.

Hi BigCat if you were responding to me the link sells ba.
thanks if it out of line sorry I will delete it

[Big Cat]

I wasn't, I was responding to the post before yours, I didn't notice it had started a new page already.

[notadog]

Thanks its a good forum and I didnt want to screw it up.

[Johan]

well the pharmacy told me they dont have benzyl and cant get it either(to be honest it sounded like they have no clue wtf it is).

Does anyone know a fast and reliable european place that sells it(i supose this is not againts source posting rules because it is a legal substance)?

My last hops of getting it is in the paint shop in town and the massage oil shop. Maby I could convince one of them to order it for me.

Might I ask what the chemical name for benzyl alkohol is? The search i did names it as phentylmethanol or benzylmethanol. Is there any other name on it??

[fops310]

This was touched on but I wish to be crystal clear on this matter:

When making your own testosterone suspension (pure test. in water), how does the procedure (i.e. making own injectables in oil) initially listed change ?

[Big Cat]

Originally posted by fops310
This was touched on but I wish to be crystal clear on this matter:

When making your own testosterone suspension (pure test. in water), how does the procedure (i.e. making own injectables in oil) initially listed change ?

Sterile purified water and test in the desired ratio's, nothing more. But you do understand that this is a lot harder to keep sterile, so keep it in a rubbertop vial, preferably dark glass. Keep it cool and dark, shake before use each time.

[Johan]

finaly good news :) the pain shop in my town could get it for me :)

[notadog]

make sure its benzyl alcohol and not straight methonl

[Johan]

yeah I made it very clear to them that I want benzyl. THey sounded very baffled first and they had to make alot of phone calls to get ahold of someone that can sell it to them(acctualy they didnt get ahold of anyone while I was there but they promised to call me when they know). And if they by any slim chanse cant get it the massage oil shop could for sure(but it would take longer for them to get it).

[cypbutt]

so. could it be possible for me to buy some 1-test in pill break it open and use that powder to turn that into an injectable. is it possible to make 1-testosterone into an injectable?

[Big Cat]

For Christs sake. I should ban you. I'm pretty sure the board rules say you need to a little basic research before you post, and if you had bothered to learn how to use that search button on the top right hand side of the screen, you would have found over 50 posts adressing this.

The answer is no. 1-test is very irritative stuff. Pat Arnold claimed he tried to inject it once and commented he would rather inject anthrax.

[herkimer wilson]

Sorry to bust your bubble Big Cat, but more than a few guys HAVE put 1-test into an injectable.

[windwords7]

Originally posted by herkimer wilson
Sorry to bust your bubble Big Cat, but more than a few guys HAVE put 1-test into an injectable.

I have heard that it has been done to....where are these guys and why are they not posting how they did it and what the results were? It's easy to say "I did it". I want a REPUTABLE bro to say "I did it" and "here's how" and "here were the results".

[Bison]

Originally posted by windwords7


I have heard that it has been done to....where are these guys and why are they not posting how they did it and what the results were? It's easy to say "I did it". I want a REPUTABLE bro to say "I did it" and "here's how" and "here were the results".

"I did it"- aye

"here's how"- dilute the 98% pure 1test powder in 50mg/ml solution of 99% isopropyl alcohol. Inject 2ccs eod.

"here were the results"- 857% better than any injectable I've ever tried, almost as good as Cell Tech.


*note...to all the slap jawed noobs reading this, this is just a sick joke. Remember when your first grade teachers told you there's no such thing as a stupid question, they lied. Stupid questions get stupid answers.

[windwords7]

Originally posted by Bison


"I did it"- aye

"here's how"- dilute the 98% pure 1test powder in 50mg/ml solution of 99% isopropyl alcohol. Inject 2ccs eod.

"here were the results"- 857% better than any injectable I've ever tried, almost as good as Cell Tech.


*note...to all the slap jawed noobs reading this, this is just a sick joke. Remember when your first grade teachers told you there's no such thing as a stupid question, they lied. Stupid questions get stupid answers.

Bison I'm sure your not implying that my post had stupid questions in it? Your not talking to a new kid and you had better act like it. My post was not asking questions but addressing the need for "all these guys who have done 1-test inject" that we keep hearing about to show themselves.

The only thing stupid in the last 2 posts was in yours. Why don't you read the ****ing thread and get the gist of what's going on before you open your mouth. I'm not in the mood for ignorance to muddy the issues today.

WW7

[BSMNT732]

Originally posted by herkimer wilson
Sorry to bust your bubble Big Cat, but more than a few guys HAVE put 1-test into an injectable.

He didnt say you couldnt make it into an injectable, he said it is very irratative and you probably wouldnt want to.

[Bison]

Originally posted by windwords7


Bison I'm sure your not implying that my post had stupid questions in it? Your not talking to a new kid and you had better act like it...

WW7

Okay Dork here goes. You're an idiot. First of all, USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION. Secondly, didn't BC just answer this question? I'm not even going to comment on it further. Third, if you've been around for so long you would've known where to go to find the peeps who have experimented with this. I don't like posting links to other boards so I won't. Fourth, you're an idiot. I won't respond to this any further for fear of ruining an otherwise respectable tread, don't be surprised if you don't get a reasonable response to your "non-stupid" question.

[windwords7]

Originally posted by Bison


Okay Dork here goes. You're an idiot. First of all, USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION. Secondly, didn't BC just answer this question? I'm not even going to comment on it further. Third, if you've been around for so long you would've known where to go to find the peeps who have experimented with this. I don't like posting links to other boards so I won't. Fourth, you're an idiot. I won't respond to this any further for fear of ruining an otherwise respectable tread, don't be surprised if you don't get a reasonable response to your "non-stupid" question.

**** you moron. I know where to find people who say they have done it. Yes, BC did answer the question, but there are some who disagree with him. I said I want reputable bro's to post there expierence with injectable 1-T.

So **** off. I can believe you used the word dork. I know what I'm talking about, you however don't have a clue.

So back to the issue at hand, and this is my point in my original post, there appear NOT to be reputable bro's who can say they have done this. If so, please post so we can verify that it has been done succesfully.

BTW **** OFF "Bison". LOL!!!

[Big Cat]

Chill guys, if you want to know how to make it injectable, I can tell you no sweat. All I'm saying is I wouldn't do it if I were you. PA said it was really, really painful and I have no reason not to believe him on this.

There are two ways to do it. You can dissolve it in oil. Sterilize sesame or arachis oil by heating it to 100 degrees C, while its cooling make your solution. Get two vials. Fill the first with tap water to 50 ml. Make a mark. Draw out 1.5 ml. Make another mark. Copy the marks to the remaining vial. get another open top sterile container. Put in 1.25 grams, fill with oil to the 48.5 ml mark. Add 1.5 ml of benzyl alcohol. Close container and shake real well. Then use syringe to transfer solution to vial for sterile keeping. Inject 2-4 ml per day. Problem is it may be very thick.

Other way is to make the solution to 50 ml with water. I suggest finding a source for sterile water and not trying to do this yourself. Expose water to air as little as possible. make solution in container, shake and transfer to vial, every time stopping to close and shake container because 1-test will not stay in suspension in water. Positive side is it will pass through a 25 G needle without too much difficulty (unless you bought crappy 1-test in which case you are screwed), downside is you need to shake before each use, and its harder to keep sterile.

[micro]

Ok , If I get some Test Enanthate powder and make it myself , It will be a long acting test. Just like if I was to buy a euro product. I read this a few threads back but just wanted to make sure. I just want to make sure I dont have to shoot eod. thanks

[Big Cat]

If its enanthate, regardless of the rest, you only need inject it on a weekly basis.

[Judo Tom]

Big Cat: have your tried making very potent test ie 400mg or 600mg ???

also would injecting test E 2x a week produce a noticeable difference in blood levels?

thanks

[Big Cat]

No I haven't, and frankly I wouldn't go over 250 with enanthate. Tends to be quite painful the next day. If I had an undecanoate oil, a 350 or 400 seems plausible. 600 is pure madness. That means 60% of each ml is actual test powder. You would be using more test powder than oil. That's like filling a cup with 60% sugar and 40% coffee.

[Big Cat]

And to your second question, no, your blood levels would actually be lower the first few weeks. Since regardless of dose, the product release with the same curve over the same amount of time. So in essence by halving it you are cutting your daily doses in half and you have to wait longer for the cumulative effect.

[Johan]

So taking 500mg every 8th day is better then 250mg every 4th day???

[Judo Tom]

im sorry i meant to keep levels steady throughout the cycle not in not getting them elevated quicker...

[ctgblue]

Judo, it will not make enough of a difference to warrant an extra shot.
The idea is to get the levels up as quickly as possible and then KEEP them up.
I frontload to do this, some use dbol to get the estrogenic gains and wait for the test to accumulate.

[Big Cat]

Originally posted by Johan
So taking 500mg every 8th day is better then 250mg every 4th day???

Yes.

[micro]

So your saying it's better to take all you test at once then to divide it up in to shots?

[Big Cat]

With enanthate its best to take it on a weekly basis, yes, that is what i am saying.

[LilMuslPup]

my buddy gave me a vial with test eth in it, but tells me that i have to "cook" off the alcohol before I inject it or it will be super painful and cause problems. But he does have clear advice on how to do this and he is now out of town on a modeling casting for awhile.... Im afraid to use the vial he gave me, but cant ask anyone else what to do. Sorry if i sound like a dumbass.

[vitor1]

I know alot of sources from all over and I've never heard of or seen anybody carrying test. enthanate powder or any test. powder for that matter?? Is it common place or rare?? This is not a post asking for a source ... I'm just stating a fact and wanting to get a general idea of availability..

[Voodoo]

Not that uncommon. Most sources that carry powders carry at least one type test.

[iowaboy]

Can I take 4 grams of component t-h crush into fine powder and follow the instuctions that big cat posted the 1st post of this thread?? will this give me quality tren? Thanks in advance!

Iowaboy

[Bison]

Originally posted by iowaboy
Can I take 4 grams of component t-h crush into fine powder and follow the instuctions that big cat posted the 1st post of this thread?? will this give me quality tren? Thanks in advance!

Iowaboy

Component and Finaplix has binders and food coloring so it will be quite low quality tren. Most of the stuff is water soluble so there should be a layer of crud at the bottom of the oil container. Syphon the oil from the top with a syringe then run it through a syringe filter. Leave all the crud at the bottom and dump it.

[iowaboy]

Thanks Bison! Can I use a coffee filter in place of the syringe filter?? would that be better than nothing? Thanks again,

Iowaboy

[Bison]

Originally posted by iowaboy
Thanks Bison! Can I use a coffee filter in place of the syringe filter?? would that be better than nothing? Thanks again,

Iowaboy

No. If you're gonna inject converted cow pellets deep into your muscle tissue you had better filter it. Filters are cheap, order them at www.getpinz.com

Read this thread
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55900&highlight=pain+AND+fina

Step #6 is optional. I would skip it, dump the sludge and write it off as loss.

[size]

So far this has produced positive results for numerous board members.

[TheRock]

So where do you get powders of test and other injectables? I haven't heard of them before. Are they still illegal? and why are they easier to recieve than amps?
Thanks

[TheRock]

Sorry i just realised how much my previous post sounded like i was asking for a source..this is not the case..i was just curious as i haven't heard of Test powders from any sources so i was just wondering if they were obtainable from a different place from already made injectables or are they usually available from sources who do injectables? Also one more question..would it be possible to get Nandralone in powder form to make your own Deca?

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by TheRock
Sorry i just realised how much my previous post sounded like i was asking for a source..this is not the case..i was just curious as i haven't heard of Test powders from any sources so i was just wondering if they were obtainable from a different place from already made injectables or are they usually available from sources who do injectables? Also one more question..would it be possible to get Nandralone in powder form to make your own Deca?


There are guys who sell both....but from what I've seen sources either sell one or the other. They are still illegal. They're easier to ship because customs isn't looking for it in powder form. I thought I saw Deca powder/liquid before, but I'm not sure. I know for sure they make EQ, although it comes in liquid form....you still have to make it injectable.

[Flo32]

Has anyone got any feedback on this in terms of results etc?

[Big Cat]

Uhmmmm , you are aware that these are the exact same products, except its a do-it-yourself kit ? So the results would be the same as any other same-strength, same-compound product.

[Dr.M]

Originally posted by Johan
So taking 500mg every 8th day is better then 250mg every 4th day???

Why do people agree with this? You will have a steadier test level if you inject more frequently, and therefore a higher peak level and less yo-yo effect, even on a long acting ester test, they still have a half life to observe just like anything else. This is equivalent to saying front loading is bad.

BigCat, can you explain your position on why this is better than more frequent injections?

[Big Cat]

The release curve for each dose is the same amount of time. So starting with a lower dose, your peak level will be lower, by as much as your dose for the weekly injection is lower. By the time the next injection is administered, the first is already dropping. This level too is lower by the same amount as the dose, and on top of that the administered dose will be equally low. Again even the accumulation of both does not equal the peak dose of the less frequent injection. And so on up to 5 or 6 weeks of the cycle before you reach similar peak doses. Considering the effect of injected esters is cumulative add to that 3 weeks and you won't even start to see similar effects on a weekly basis until week 9 of your cycle...

[Dr.M]

Here is Deca as an example, once a week versus twice a week injections, steady blood levels = good

[Big Cat]

1.What's the reference for this graph ?

2.What are the values on the X and T axis

3. At what time-intervals were the injections given.

See there is one thing that tells me that graph is pure fake. That is that the starting values are the same. If you start with half the dose, your starting level is half as well. So that graph is plain bull****.

[Dr.M]

How is the starting dose the same, they are clearly very different.

The numbers are calculated with a 10 day half life in mind, 200mg twice a week versus 400mg once a week.

[Dr.M]

Big Cat, I am not trying to start anything, I am genuinly interested in your opinion, I am just baffled because I have never heard that less frequent is better, and honestly it makes no sense to me.

[Big Cat]

Starting dose is twice as high. With an enanthate ester (7 carbons) after 7 days dose will be equally high as starting dose. With decanoate that means it will still be higher after 7 days.

Since levels for esters longer than 7 carbons do not drop below starting range for a full week where is the less steady blood level ? With more frequent injections starting level is half, curve will already be on the decline by second injection, then you administer the same with the same starting dose. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that even at your second shot your starting level isn't yet the same. And so on, and then the accumulation time of injectable drugs...

[Voodoo]

Say your starting at 250mg and the other guy is starting at 500mg on monday. Your next shot on thursday would be another 250mg right. So your total is 500mg after 4 days where the other guy has already started at 500mg. How do these two equal? By starting at a higher dose your going to end up with a higher peak, correct, then it's going to level off.

[Big Cat]

Well the release pattern is more like a bell-curve, with a peak near the end of the second day and a long tail at the end. after 7-11 days depending on the length of the ester. That's the same period when your level comes down from its peak to the starting level again, then it drops off further and finally levels at approx 1/3rd the dose of the starting level.

Your point is valid though. Lets use the 1/10th of the doses we give as arbitrary values. 500 mg injected, starting level is 50, peaks at 130, drops back to 50 after 7-11 days then drops further down to about 17 and stays there for 2-3.5 weeks. Start at 250 mg, those doses will be half. 25 to 65 to 25 and then down to 5.5. Inject again three days later and your levels are decline as you once again add only half the dose. Peak level will still be smaller, because the less frequent injection will not have dropped off as much (total dose, not percentage wise) when the new (double dose) will be added. So you keep getting a higher peak level for several weeks, higher total level for several weeks. And since the effect of these products is cumululative its best to have the higher doses earlier on.

[Dr.M]

Ok, so for a person who is front loading it sounds like the effects would be excellent, but you would still recommend against the more frequent injections. Are "all" oil based steroids working on a bell curve style level retardation?

If this is true there are a good amount of miseducated people out there, other than doing an experiment on my own or actually seeing research obviously there was no way to know which of the two is better. Is this info covered in any books that you've come across as far as release time, or just through research/studies (on blood levels etc)? Steadier blood levels should also provide for lower side effects, so its important to me.

Thanks for the info, cycle #2 is coming up and I of course would like to maximize like anyone else.

[Big Cat]

I can provide you with some studies on test esters that had the release curve in them and the exact point marked out on the curve. I take it you can make graphs well enough to do the work from there ?

The general concensus is to run with the half-life time, because you get the highest peak dose and your dose at any given point is never lower than the dose you start with, so the levels accumulate quite quickly.

[ctgblue]

Big cat is correct.
I have two years of HRT with multiple doctor run "build up" cycles, INCLUDING blood level tests. Can you say, "walking pin cushion"?
Here is the basic curve for esterized testosterones. The vurve would be the same for deca but stretched longer, basically staying in the same proportions.
The only time I recommend twice a week is for frontloading (done it) where the injection volume is greater than the comfort level.
Even then, I was test only and went 2cc's right quad and 2cc's left on the same day.
If I were mixing Test and EQ/Deca I would use 500 test/400EQ same day and another 500 test 3 days later, just to give the injection site some rest.
BTW, the frontloaded cycles had a significantly higher endibg blood level than the straight line cycles.

[Dr.M]

Thanks for the graph!

So for cyp would it be agreed to inject every 5th day then? I've already done the math on every 4th or 5th day injections as far as meeting weekly dose goals.

Big Cat, I will gobble any and all test data you feel like pointing me towards, thanks.

[Big Cat]

Originally posted by Dr.M
Thanks for the graph!

So for cyp would it be agreed to inject every 5th day then? I've already done the math on every 4th or 5th day injections as far as meeting weekly dose goals.

Nope, cyp and enth seem to reach their starting values after 6-7 days.

Big Cat, I will gobble any and all test data you feel like pointing me towards, thanks.

Well this is the reference I was speaking of :

Schulte-Beerbuhl M, Nieschlag E., comparison of of testosterone, dehydrotestosterone, luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone in serum after injection of testosterone enanthate or testosterone cypionate. Fertility and sterility 33 (1980) 201-3

[Billy Poe]

BC,
can you do this with deca?if so can you tell me where to get the materials and how to make it correctly?i cannot find deca anywhere but mexico and i'm not to crazy about getting it from there....thank you

[bikeracer]

After having read nothing in the entire thread about Oxandrolone (Anavar), I must ask:

How about procuring Oxandrolone in powder form and then transferring it into 5mg capsules. Capsules are available online.

The stuff it way too expensive otherwise...

I see no reason to convert the powder to an injectible.

Observations, concurrences, objections all welcome here!

[Big Cat]

Originally posted by Billy Poe
BC,
can you do this with deca?if so can you tell me where to get the materials and how to make it correctly?i cannot find deca anywhere but mexico and i'm not to crazy about getting it from there....thank you

First warning, if you ever post asking for a source again , I will personally ban your ass, do we understand each other ? I will not tolerate people acting stupid and putting this board at risk because they are too lazy to read the board rules ...

To answer your question, yes it can be done with Deca, but nandrolone decanoate will usually be a liquid in its raw form due to its high lipophillicity, hence not many people sell it, since its hard to transport fluids. The whole point of making your own stuff is so you can transport it easier and not get it taken by customs.

[Big Cat]

Originally posted by bikeracer
After having read nothing in the entire thread about Oxandrolone (Anavar), I must ask:

How about procuring Oxandrolone in powder form and then transferring it into 5mg capsules. Capsules are available online.

The stuff it way too expensive otherwise...

I see no reason to convert the powder to an injectible.

Observations, concurrences, objections all welcome here!

I'd save my money on those capsules. Dissolve the oxandrolone in oil at 30 or 40 mg/ml and then use a syringe to take out 1 ml and squirt it in your mouth. Saves a lot of money on caps, and if you've ever tried making 5 mg caps, I can tell you you'd spill a ****load of a very expensive material ... I don't think you realise how little 5 mg is.

[Billy Poe]

ok MR Cat just so you will understand my question i do not buy anything off the internet or from off the wall guys at the gym that sells bull**** that is not the real thing .i am very careful what i put in my body i get my supplies from a doctor that knows what hes doing . the reason i asked this question is my pharmacist said he cannot get deca at all any more he thinks the pharmacutical companys stopped making it so im looking for another oprtion. since ypu seem to be well informed on the subject what would you say is a good option to deca since i can no longer find it sir?

[Big Cat]

EQ, although that also exists in a liquid state at room temperature (boldenone undecylenate that is). And Deca is most certainly still made, and probably still the most widely manufactured steroid apart from testosterone base.

And yes you did do something wrong, the board rules clearly state you do not ask for sources. Period.

[Billy Poe]

cat,
I will be more careful in the future , i did not realize that was what i was doing thank 's for the reminder...Billy

[bikeracer]

I just figured out that Big Cat is the same ?cat? who authors the steroid profiles at http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catsteroids.htm

Somebody buy me a clue here....Way to go 'Big Cat'. You are everywhere...

[14powerlift]

All this talk about making your own got me to thinking. I have ALWAYS made my own test-it's WAY cheaper and I know what's in it. The guy I get my kits from is having some troubles lately, and will be back to normal soon, I think.

So i was sitting there with 5 carts of synovex H. After hearing about some bros having positive results with test and estrogen, I though I'd give it a try.

I took one cart and dissolved it in methanol. I drew up the clear liquid with a syringe and left the sludge on the botom. Next i let the methanol evaporate in a pie plate. I took the remainder powder and dissolved in the littlest amount of methanol possible (reading step). Then, after it evaporated, I picked out all the test crystals. i repeated that step 3 times with the remainder in the pie plate.

Then I made the crystlas into an injectable. Week 3 and super pumps, and vascular. No signs of gyno yet. If I do, oh well, surgery is only 3-5 grand.

[14powerlift]

A quick question to Big Cat- When using the dmso application, what percentage gets in the blood? Say I apply 200mg of test(10 pellets of synovex H, YES I know there is 20mg est in there) how much do you suppose actually gets into my blood stream? It can't be the same as an inject, right?

[Guy]

we are not talking about vetenary kits bro....we are talking about real pure test enan. powder.

[14powerlift]

Hey guy-bro: IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME, if you make your own injectable from test enan powder OR from test with no ester extracted from veterinary pellets. You have a powder. You are a hardcore steroid vet and didn't know that? I'll learn ya a bit bro. If you get the veterinary implants, you can make a pure test prop powder OR a pure test no ester powder, you can CONTROL the sterility of the powder, and best of all, you can purchase it legally.

Also, in case you didn't notice, the name of the thread says: How to make your own injectables. If you know a little about steroids, you'd know that i just told someone how to make injectable test WITHOUT a kit (if you have a good understanding of reading steps-which is what is responsible for removing the estrogen and IF you know what test crystals look like).

[BIGSMITH]

Take 5g. of test. powder and dissolve it in 25 ml. of dry ether or pyridine. Then simply add propionyl chloride for test. prop. or add cypionyl chloride for test. cyp. Let solution stand for 24 hours then add access distilled water, filter, clean with additional distiled water and then dry thoroughly the result is test prop. or test cyp. depending on your choice of chlorides.

[raybravo]

Originally posted by BIGSMITH
Take 5g. of test. powder and dissolve it in 25 ml. of dry ether or pyridine. Then simply add propionyl chloride for test. prop. or add cypionyl chloride for test. cyp. Let solution stand for 24 hours then add access distilled water, filter, clean with additional distiled water and then dry thoroughly the result is test prop. or test cyp. depending on your choice of chlorides.
this is very interesting . post more . some links for this maybe ...

[EAE]

Originally posted by BIGSMITH
Take 5g. of test. powder and dissolve it in 25 ml. of dry ether or pyridine. Then simply add propionyl chloride for test. prop. or add cypionyl chloride for test. cyp.
Where does one get these (the chems, not the test)? If you have a particular website or websites you know please PM me.

[BIGSMITH]

Most any internet chemical suppliers have these chemicals in stock. Don't worry about hassle because it's totally legal and if the only way they will ask what your using it for is to make small talk and get your buisness in the future. I believe the reg. price is 40 dollars a pound and remember it is a chem. company and the quality is impecable. If you cannot locate a distributor send a request and I will supply a few.

[raybravo]

big smith , please post a link for more info , or post a sperate thread on this , i'm very very interested in what ure talking , and wud definitely like other's views on this too ....

[BIGSMITH]

This site has a fairly accurate depiction of how you can manufacture Test. from DHEA or from scratch and the synthesis of the two esters have mentioned along with a active oral form. THIS IS IMPORTANT THOUGH. The site is lacking of precautions involving the prop. chloride reaction and the cyp. reaction both of these chemicals but the prop. to a greater degree. They are both very toxic and I recommend reading about the two before attempting the synthesis. One more thing in my previous post I mentioned the chem. sales and availability of prop and cyp. however I have recently discovered that aquiring the prop. chloride in certain areas of the U.S. will be tough because it is listed as a precursor substance. Other countries don't have these laws though. Here's the site. www. musclebuilder.com/formulas.htm if you have any questions this site doesn't answer just ask. The synthesis is legit, but if you pass it on to friends make sure to warn them about the cyp. and prop. chloride's hazard.

[geekboy]

You can buy the reagents at sigmaaldrich.com, or any other fine chemicals company. Be aware that the prop ester requires propanoyl chloride (same thing just the name mentioned above is the common name). The cyp ester you need to read the link that was given.

You can also use heptanoyl chloride for the enanthate ester.

This procedure is not for the faint of heart or the inexperienced. If you've never taken organic chemistry lab then please don't try it. Just my humble two faded pennies.

BTW... if you are interested this procedure should also work to get an extended-release form of tren..... ;) I'm kicking around the idea of trying it on tren. You'd need to get tren base first, but stripping the ester is easy...... Ahhhh Parabolan.....

[geekboy]

One more thing:

I'd really like to know why everyone in our great community insists on baking their gear, when sterile filters are so readily available......

Heating to aid dissolution is one thing but heating for sterility purposes isn't the best way. Just a thought/question.

[bigflee]

Maybe people prefer heat sterilization vs filtration sterilization because you don't have to track down the filters, and it's cheaper? There are sources for filters, and they're not too expensive. Personally, I prefer filters. Less mess and hassle, and if done carefully, very effective. I use 0.45 micrometer pore Whatman PVDF filters I 'borrow' from work.

[BIGSMITH]

One thing the DHEA-Test synthesis forgot to mention and I left out of my post on the subject was how to exrtract pure DHEA out of DHEA capsules or pills which generally contain fillers. You can purchase pure DHEA but if you can only find the unpure form reply to this message with list of additives or the brand name and I will help out. Its very easy to extract the good stuff.

[chetdog]

This idea is flawed. You could buy 5 grams of any thing how would you know whats in that little baggy. It could be cut with something. It may not wiegh you would need a scale. You might think there is 5 grams but may be only 4. Even if you have a great source how does he know whats in the baggy. This is great for fina because you buy the fina from the vet. Mixing some powder that I bought from god know where and from god knows who, and injecting it doesnt sound good to me.


Chetdog

[soundfanatic]

over 10000 views, I was the 10,000th viewer. thank you.

[Matthew D]

Originally posted by chetdog
This idea is flawed. You could buy 5 grams of any thing how would you know whats in that little baggy. It could be cut with something. It may not wiegh you would need a scale. You might think there is 5 grams but may be only 4. Even if you have a great source how does he know whats in the baggy. This is great for fina because you buy the fina from the vet. Mixing some powder that I bought from god know where and from god knows who, and injecting it doesnt sound good to me.


Chetdog

I think the whole idea with this is that you need to make sure your source of powder is a good source with a great rep for quaility. I really understand what you are saying but hopefully you are not going to just mix and shot any "ole" powder you get! at least that is my take on it

[BIGSMITH]

if your not sure of your stuff you prob, shouldn't be useing period.

[71ARNOLD71]

How would one make an oral Winstrol solution with 10 grams of Raw winstrol powder?

[Flo32]

If its oral mix it in the desired ratio

So if you want 50mg/1ML then dump 1gram of it in 20ml of Flax Oil

[71ARNOLD71]

could i mix it with bacteriostatic water instead?

[Big Cat]

For oral use you can mix it with tap water for all I care. Just keep in mind that an aqueous suspension requires you to shake it thoroughly before each use, where as an oily solution will be more stable.

[macho21]

Big Cat- How would you convert a boldenone base? I know how I would go about doing Bold Undecylate, but the base form has much less solubility in oil. Would I be able to make a stable solution at 50mg-100mg/ml with your given recipe? I am just worried that it will crash.

[macho21]

Originally posted by Flo32
If its oral mix it in the desired ratio

So if you want 50mg/1ML then dump 1gram of it in 20ml of Flax Oil

I am no expert here, but stanozolol has poor oil solubility. I would be concerned with it crashing if just mixed with oil.

Big Cat- for oral use, would stanozolol dissolve in propelyne glycol or glycerol? Thanks

[ncsports]

i am ok with making single substance injectibles but how about making custom mixes?

if someone wanted to do some research with an oil solution of 100mg tren / 100mg prop / 100mg eq could they just use 1g of each powder in per 10ml?

place the 3g of pwdr (1g of each) in the vial then fill up the vial to just under the line and then add the BA to top off the 10ml of oil?

thanks
ncsports

[lagwagon94521]

Is heating the oil just for sterilization???

[SHOT]

bump as there is some questions un answered...wish i could help

[ctgblue]

Originally posted by lagwagon94521 Is heating the oil just for sterilization??? Heating the oil sterilizes as well as making the powder disolve quicker.
The main reason is to sterilize, use it while warm and it is just easier to work with, flows better, absorbs better, etc..

[Big Cat]

Originally posted by macho21
Big Cat- How would you convert a boldenone base? I know how I would go about doing Bold Undecylate, but the base form has much less solubility in oil. Would I be able to make a stable solution at 50mg-100mg/ml with your given recipe? I am just worried that it will crash.

75 should be very possible, and that's really all you need, given a 400-500 week dose. Although since bold and test are not that different in character, I think you can go higher than that as well. You can make it in a water base as well, like winny or test susp.

[Big Cat]

Originally posted by macho21
I am no expert here, but stanozolol has poor oil solubility. I would be concerned with it crashing if just mixed with oil.

Big Cat- for oral use, would stanozolol dissolve in propelyne glycol or glycerol? Thanks

Most things solve quite well in alcohol, so I would assume so, but I have no practical background to offer you in this.

[Big Cat]

Originally posted by ncsports
i am ok with making single substance injectibles but how about making custom mixes?

if someone wanted to do some research with an oil solution of 100mg tren / 100mg prop / 100mg eq could they just use 1g of each powder in per 10ml?

place the 3g of pwdr (1g of each) in the vial then fill up the vial to just under the line and then add the BA to top off the 10ml of oil?


Bad idea, no way you will get 300 mg/ml using tren and test prop. If it was a weekly injection with test enth and an eq base, sure. But if you go with daily injection protocol, I would use 33 mg of each and go for 100 mg/ml. If you need more, simply increase the size of your shot.

[Chrism]

Big Cat, do you have any experience with making Testosterone Propionate? How much more BA/BB would you add to the solution. I don't really want to order 4 10 gram U-100 kits from Animal, that would cost me more than the raw materials.

[Big Cat]

Same procedure, same amounts, but since you are using a less soluble substance that needs more frequent injection, you will have to lower the concentration and so you will need more solvens. 3-5% BA.

[BIGSMITH]

On how to make different esters of different steroids. I can and will answer your questions just ask exactly what you want to know and I will answer them to the best of my babilkity.

[raybravo]

big smith , bro , please write out an article of sorts and post it on the main board so that all can read, and questions which arent clear in our mind , even those are answered . please write a detailed article and post . thanx .

[Big Cat]

Originally posted by BIGSMITH
best of my babilkity.

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[BIGSMITH]

I've been studying a way to makje cheque drops, but found to be to unhe4althy 4 they can cause malfiormations of fetuses who are impregnated by the uysers. NMENT on the other hand does not show that dusadvantage and am currently trying to proiduce it if effective i'll give recipe.

[Big Cat]

You do know that MENT would be a hard candidate to make into oral droppers ?

[BIGSMITH]

Going to test solubility in different solvents but, think extremly low mg to ml would work butalmost sure it would require to many injections, so I believe bucall tabs mayt be the way to go.

[Johan]

i have had a bottle of pure boldenon laying in my drawer now from july or so. Will it still be as good as new in march??
I have never opened the bottle or even touched it and its in a sealed ziplock bag. It has not been exposed to excessiv heat or cold or nothing else. It has just been laying there(couldnt get benzyl alcohole back then so I couldnt make it into a injectable).

[BIGSMITH]

If it was kept dry and dark and at a constant temp between 55-85 preferably. It is still the same stuff. Most steroids have shelf lives of five years or baround there but generally last 10-20years or more for injects, the same goes for pill form generally.

[Johan]

Originally posted by BIGSMITH
If it was kept dry and dark and at a constant temp between 55-85 preferably. It is still the same stuff. Most steroids have shelf lives of five years or baround there but generally last 10-20years or more for injects, the same goes for pill form generally.

Ok thanks bro, it should be okay then :)

[Big Cat]

Originally posted by BIGSMITH
Going to test solubility in different solvents but, think extremly low mg to ml would work butalmost sure it would require to many injections, so I believe bucall tabs mayt be the way to go.

Most present form of MENT is the acetate, so you need daily injections anyway. If you make the ester yourself you could go with a decanoate, that would have ample solubility for a large weekly shot. Given that MENT has no oral availability I think a lot will be lost. With cyclodextrins it would have decent properties, but you would need too many per day to spread it out well enough. If you can source MENT, which isn't always easy, you'd be better off with an injectable.

[BIGSMITH]

I realize acetate is the preferred ester and will propably keep it that way and this means I will also most likely make it injectable. I also realize orall admin. is unfeasable at best b/c it basically shares the same duisposition as andriol. Like I said in the first post this is experimentation. I might try the effectiveness of transdermal application via DMSO though.

Thanks for feed back though.

[flex22]

im new at this i have used gear before and know a bit about it but im just wondering what a filter looks like and how there used

[dodgeee-O]

Originally posted by flex22
im new at this i have used gear before and know a bit about it but im just wondering what a filter looks like and how there used

Won't go into detail about how to use them but here's a pic of one!

[steeledan]

Originally posted by BIGSMITH
Take 5g. of test. powder and dissolve it in 25 ml. of dry ether or pyridine. Then simply add propionyl chloride for test. prop. or add cypionyl chloride for test. cyp. Let solution stand for 24 hours then add access distilled water, filter, clean with additional distiled water and then dry thoroughly the result is test prop. or test cyp. depending on your choice of chlorides.

So how much propionyl chloride or cypionyl chloride is used? I assume you'd need at least a 1:1 molar ratio of ester to hormone.

[BIGSMITH]

Yes it is a single mol to mol ratio of test to ester.

[Blade_HST]

Originally posted by ctgblue
Big cat is correct.
I have two years of HRT with multiple doctor run "build up" cycles, INCLUDING blood level tests. Can you say, "walking pin cushion"?
Here is the basic curve for esterized testosterones. The vurve would be the same for deca but stretched longer, basically staying in the same proportions.
The only time I recommend twice a week is for frontloading (done it) where the injection volume is greater than the comfort level.
Even then, I was test only and went 2cc's right quad and 2cc's left on the same day.
If I were mixing Test and EQ/Deca I would use 500 test/400EQ same day and another 500 test 3 days later, just to give the injection site some rest.
BTW, the frontloaded cycles had a significantly higher endibg blood level than the straight line cycles.

I apologize for bringing this up again, but how does the curve you posted look like anything like a bell curve? Levels increase dramatically and reach a peak within 12-24hrs after injection, then taper slowly. No bell curve there... And more frequent injections would definitely provide more stable plasma levels - looking at the curve it should be fairly obvious.

This is a program using the same data but an exp function for the slope (which is the equation used in literature).

Once per week injections:

[Blade_HST]

Compare it to eod injections (note that one should frontload this to get levels high initially):

edit: Note that the actual mg on the Y axis are scaled by 7 to get the equivalent weekly dosage for a given injected amount. Also the first graph uses 500mg 1x/week, while the second uses 250mg/eod. Not an equal weekly dosage, but I think it serves well to illustrate the difference in injection frequency.

[Blade_HST]

Just to offer an alternative - 250mg Enanthate every third day, with a 750mg frontload on day 1 of the cycle:

[Big Cat]

Originally posted by Blade_HST
Compare it to eod injections (note that one should frontload this to get levels high initially):

edit: Note that the actual mg on the Y axis are scaled by 7 to get the equivalent weekly dosage for a given injected amount. Also the first graph uses 500mg 1x/week, while the second uses 250mg/eod. Not an equal weekly dosage, but I think it serves well to illustrate the difference in injection frequency.

With more frequent injections, to keep it equipotent, you inject less at a time, therefor your peak values are n times lower as your injections increase n times.

[Blade_HST]

Once a week injections are obviously a lot more comfortable for the user, but for stable blood levels you unfortunately need to inject more frequently - which was the original question. I'm not implying that one should do ED injections on everything, though - just that staying within a drugs half-life should go a long way towards improving levels.

[Big Cat]

What i'm implying is that there are other factors to maximal growth besides the most stable blood level ...

The stability of less frequent injection only appears less stable because the higher peaks and drops. closer examination will show that the drops are actually as high of higher than most peaks in a more frequent injection pattern, due to the much lower content of each shot, especially so at the beginning of the cycle because there is no accumulation yet. So you would already have to run a longer cycle just to equalize the odds.

So what you are suggesting is to inject more frequently AND longer ? Think I'll stick to my plan.

[Blade_HST]

Just one little thing...you have no proof whatsoever that a higher peak (and subsequently rock bottom levels) would produce more results than constantly high levels.

I.e. 1x/week = peak 720mg, bottom 320mg
every 3rd day = peak 670mg, bottom 510mg

Time spent at high levels is longer with e3d than with 1x/week injections (4 days spent at lower than 500mg) - I don't see how that is more effective? Please explain this logic.

[Big Cat]

Originally posted by Blade_HST
Just one little thing...you have no proof whatsoever that a higher peak (and subsequently rock bottom levels) would produce more results than constantly high levels.

I.e. 1x/week = peak 720mg, bottom 320mg
every 3rd day = peak 670mg, bottom 510mg

Time spent at high levels is longer with e3d than with 1x/week injections (4 days spent at lower than 500mg) - I don't see how that is more effective? Please explain this logic.

Every three days, with the same substance would make the peak half as high given the dose cut. The bottom would be the same on the first week. Bottom after 6 days or bottom after 3 days for half the dose.

[Blade_HST]

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here...it just doesn't make sense.

I'm not so concerned with the first week as I am with levels throughout the cycle. With 1x/week injections in a 12 week (84 days) cycle, you spend 48 days below 500mg. With e3d injections, you spend EVERY day ABOVE 500mg (given an easy frontload on day 1).

To each his own I guess, but this theory is not something I will embrace just because it is more comfortable.

[bumpo]

BIG CAT


I want to make a higher mg/ml batch of test ethanate and EQ

if I made a 40/ml batch and used 16 grams of powder for each chemical that would yeield me a 400mg/ml batch correct.

I know you said that ti will be very thick, how do underground labs make it so that it's not thick?

http://www.basskilleronline.com/test_e_notacow.html

this link has some photo's aswell.


great post very informative.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by bumpo
BIG CAT


I want to make a higher mg/ml batch of test ethanate and EQ

if I made a 40/ml batch and used 16 grams of powder for each chemical that would yeield me a 400mg/ml batch correct.

I know you said that ti will be very thick, how do underground labs make it so that it's not thick?

http://www.basskilleronline.com/test_e_notacow.html

this link has some photo's aswell.


great post very informative.

They just throw a lot more BA or BB in....if it's BA they use the shots hurt like a mofo.....

[bumpo]

where do I find BB

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by bumpo
where do I find BB

www.theeyeofnewt.com

www.lemelange.com

[sfjim]

Does it matter whether one orders

Boldenone
Boldenone BP98
Boldenone Undecylenate 94-107%

Also does it matter if you use (for the recipe at the start of this thread):

Testosterone Cypionate BP98/USP24
Testosterone Cypionate USP24
Testosterone Decanoate BP98
Testosterone Decanoate BP98/USP24
Testosterone Enanthate USP24
Testosterone Enanthate USP24/BP98

etc? What do these numbers at the end mean anyway.

Thanks!

[world1]

no asking for sources!

[hitter]

Why fill the vial with water? Just fill up a 20ml syringe.

[kayc]

Originally posted by Big Cat
There is none, by heating the oil and adding benzyl alcohol you get a double whammy. gear is completely sterile and unlike IP or TT bathtub gear, you know exactly how much you get, since you made it. wow ,what about pump n pose oil they selling $100 to $200 someone toll is't my of a oil that cost only 2 bucks and sell it it for 200 bucks ,i try make it but only have oil carbon oil you can also put this oil in your protein and have no sticky reminds

[Johan]

I have been having a bottle of raw unmixed boldenon(5g) sitting in a drawer for one year and 8 months. Is it still ok to use? I have not even touched the bottle or anything.

[Hbsurfer]

I am wondering if anyone knows the best way to take raw Winstrol (stanazolol) powder. I recently ordered some and have been so far, just eating the stuff raw, gulp down some water with it. Is this o.k.? I am currently living in China and found the awesome hookup for raw powder, dirt cheap, 500 YUAN for 50 grams....That is about 60.00 U.S. for 50 Grams....

Hope it is real though.....does raw winstrol powder have any characteristics I should know, such as texture, taste, solubility? I appreciate any replies....

[Billy Poe]

Heres some really good advice.You need to know exactly what you gulping down before you gulp it.Set up yourself a good cycle that you can do correctly and know what your doing.if used incorrectly steroids are dangerious and a waste of time and money.taken correctly are beneficial .good luck...Billy

[PHATBASTARD]

i need to get into this

[Hbsurfer]

Thanks for the reply and good advice....I found that the raw winstrol powder is the real stuff...I've been on it for exactly 8 days now and I am feeling it....but I feel really weird, almost high in a way. I've been bodybuilding for over three years, but this is my first steroid experience. I wasn't expecting the stuff to be psychoactive, but I feel sort of high all the time, don't really like the feeling too much. I've gotten stronger already, but my knuckles and joints hurt. Will this go away after I quit taking the stuff? I plan on taking 50mg. a day for six weeks. Also, I have a dilemna. I want to stack the winny with something else. I can get any kind of anabolic sterioid here, but only raw powder and have been unable to find any HCG. I need some advice on what I can take that will not shut my testoserone down too much, something that I don't need post-cycle HCG therapy with. Any advice is much appreicated. Thanks...

[weltweitefurcht]

I've been a protagonist of ordering steroids in powder/oil for a while now. Problems with shipping amps and vials internationally make it near impossible to create good odds on it arriving without spending a fortune on the way of shipping. And the risks of using domestic sources make that an option I usually avoid as well. But many seem reluctant to go this way, because they feel they couldn't make their own injectable compounds. Yet this is quite easy.

What you need is either arachis or sesame oil, some benzyl alcohol, syringes and clean containers. Say you want to do a 10 week cycle of 500 mg per week test enanthate, so you order 5 grams of test enth powder. At 250 mg/ml that means 20 ml of gear. Take your syringe and fill your container with pure water, but keep track of the amount. When you have 20 ml in there, mark it. Empty the container. Calculate 3%, in this case 0.6 ml. Heat the oil to 100 degrees C or 212 degrees F. let it cool. Dump the powder in the container, then add oil to just below the 20 ml mark, Then use a syringe to add 0.6 ml of Benzyl alcohol and if its still below the 20 ml mark, add some more oil til you reach that mark. Shake it up real well, and voila : one cycle's worth of testosterone enanthate. Seem like a lot of trouble, but if you can guarantee delivery of the product its a much safer option than internationally shipping vials, or risk prosecution with domestic sources.

For my next cycle one of the components is going to be Test Enanthate for 10 weeks at 500mg/week. So I plan to follow these instructions to make it. however I have one question:

Would you recommend I add BB as well as the BA, because the BA is water soluble and will most likely wash out once mixed with blood. That would make the depot to NOT have enough solvent to support the Hormone, causing it to crash and hurt.

Where BB is not water soluble, and is a solvent. It would make sure it doesnt crash and thin it out.

What do you recommend, and what percentage should I put in? maybe 15%-20% BB and the recommended 3% BA??

Edit: I dont know if this will be responded to in this thread, so perhaps I will make a post in the Steroid Forum in a day or two.

[Hbsurfer]

Great information...

I have one question though...Will this technique work for Winstrol? I have read somewhere that Winstrol Depot is always in water, not oil so I wonder if this will work. Is Winstrol oil soluble? Are there any advantages of injecting Winstrol as opposed to taking it orally?

[WhyNot]

Help... Any knows the the recipe for Stanozolol powder.

THX

[doingok37]

can anyone help me i.e got 20grams of the 4 the testosterone and not sure how to make it. i keep getting my sums wrong.if i have 20grams of each how much would i be able to make. thank for yr help

[doingok37]

big cat would this work to make anadol?