What Kind of Product Should SAN Release Next?

[cakedonkey]

All,

As everyone is likely aware SAN is always on the cutting-edge when it comes to new compounds and formulas. The question is what is next? What do the consumers want? I was going to create a poll, but the categories are so diverse, and we already have an extremely well-rounded line-up. Feel free to make any suggestions in here regarding what you think should come next.

Thanks all.

[pu12en12g]

we already have an extremely well-rounded line-up

Agreed... I can't think of anything. Keep up the awesome work :cool:

[rub81]

How about a vitamin product?

[factotum]

A legit EPO mimetic?

[murph]

some new flavors for Infusion would be nice

[my_whey]

Sexual product.

[little rambo]

How bout a lemonade/wild cherry flavor for V-12 :cool:

[ZDub212]

Something that utlizes gamma O!

[jmil]

Well, I'm a HUUGE fan of Citrulline Malate/Beta Alanine products such as bodyoctane...maybe something with ample doses of both, with a few grams of creatine in it...obviously some forms of creatine can be pretty damn cheap, so it might work, not making the price go sky high. Just my .02 :).

[slipper]

Cakedonkey,

your favorite, dessicated liver tabs.

[extremenergy3]

I'd like to see CM2 made into powder form. It's kinda expensive too for the amount of ingredients per serving in pill form. Plus add some citrulline malate into it... or even take away the arginine and add the citrulline malate instead since that's kinda double the NO.... not to mention that beta alanine is already in it... so that would be triple the NO :p But yeah... CM2 in powder form.

[DinoT1985]

Cardio! Its one market that supplement companies don't really seem to cater for. Building muscle is one thing, but cardio, or though hated alot, is something that is part of bodybuilding. People hate it and anything to make it more enjoyable would sell well. An example would be Cordygen5. Its in a small class of supplements but is the best at what it does and people love it. It can also be used by other athletes like runners with tight rules in the associations they are part of.

At my gym there was a Nigerian runner heading to the olympics (his name I forget as I only bumped into him at the counter), he was asking for advice on what supplements would help him and was really interested in Cordygen5. I feel, regardless whether it be cordyceps based or not, something to increase blood throw and ease the stress on the lungs would be a great addition to any companies arsenal.

[rizzog466]

Well, I'm a HUUGE fan of Citrulline Malate/Beta Alanine products such as bodyoctane...maybe something with ample doses of both, with a few grams of creatine in it...obviously some forms of creatine can be pretty damn cheap, so it might work, not making the price go sky high. Just my .02 :).

x2

[Blitz n destroy]

BA/Cit Mal./Cordyceps/BCAA :D


or new flavors for infusion.

[blackdream71]

Something that utlizes gamma O!

that shiat made me hyoooooge!

[dangetinthere]

Since you discontinued Throcuts II, how about a remake using 3,3 T-2 instead of 3,5 T-2 ???

[musclescientist]

Since you discontinued Throcuts II, how about a remake using 3,3 T-2 instead of 3,5 T-2 ???

Now, why would we do that? 3,5-T2 is considered the stronger isomer of the two with a host of more research studies documenting this. See attached and below:


Life Sci. 1998;62(26):2369-77. Related Articles, Links


Effect of 3,5-diiodo-L-thyronine on thyroid stimulating hormone and growth hormone serum levels in hypothyroid rats.

Moreno M, Lombardi A, Lombardi P, Goglia F, Lanni A.

Dipartimento di Chimica, Facolta di Scienze, Universita degli Studi di Salerno, Italy.

We have investigated the biological effects of physiological doses of 3,5-diiodo-L-thyronine (3,5-T2) and 3,3'-diiodo-L-thyronine (3,3'-T2) (at doses from 2.5 to 10 microg/100 g BW) on serum TSH and GH levels in rats made hypothyroid by propylthiouracil and iopanoic acid administration. In such animals deiodinase activities were inhibited and thyroid hormones serum levels strongly reduced. The effects of T2s were compared with those elicited by 3,5,3'-triiodo-L-thyronine (T3) (2.5 microg/100 g BW).The serum TSH level was much greater in hypothyroid rats than in euthyroid ones. T3 administration suppressed TSH by 88% compared to control (i.e, the level in hypothyroid rats); it thus reached a value not significantly different from that seen in the euthyroid rats. 3,5-T2 produced a similar effect, suppressing the TSH level by about 75% compared to control; it thus reached values not significantly different from those of the euthyroid and T3-treated rats. By contrast, 3,3'-T2 had no effect on TSH, whatever the dose. The serum GH level was much lower in hypothyroid rats than in euthyroid ones. T3 administration increased the GH level by about 5-fold, restoring it to the value seen in euthyroid rats. 3,5-T2-treated hypothyroid rats, at all the doses used (from 2.5 to 10 microg/100 g BW), showed increased serum GH levels: at a dose of 10 microg/100 g BW the level reached a value about 5-fold higher than that in hypothyroid rats. This value was not significantly different from those of euthyroid and T3-treated rats. 3,3'-T2 did not affect GH levels whatever the dose. Thus, 3,5-T2 (but not 3,3'-T2) seems to mimic the effects of T3 on serum TSH and GH levels in rats.

[Travis71902]

pocket pussy

[MAS2208]

Well, I'm a HUUGE fan of Citrulline Malate/Beta Alanine products such as bodyoctane...maybe something with ample doses of both, with a few grams of creatine in it...obviously some forms of creatine can be pretty damn cheap, so it might work, not making the price go sky high. Just my .02 :).

I second this idea.

[kieltyka34]

an affordable pre-meal nutrient partitioning product

leucine (4 g), alcar (1 g), egcg (stand. to 800 mg), acetate, citrate, ALA (300 mg) edit: raspberry ketones (300 mg) they seem to be in a lot of formulas nowadays anyway..

possibly an appetite suppressant added in or maybe appetite suppressant for another product

[Apostle X]

pocket pussy

come on man, its need to be something that I can afford! :D

[Zachattack43]

I would say revive CM2, but use tri creatine malate in there instead

[deserusan]

I'd like to see a good endurance supplement. This could be a big crossover hit with the ladies too if you marketed it right.

[Docta J]

BA/Cit Mal./Cordyceps/BCAA :D


or new flavors for infusion.

That is a sweet idea bro (not sure about the cordyceps, lol dunno how fungus would taste in a drink). Something with a generous dose of Beta-alanine, Citrulline malate, BCAAs, and some good carbs to replenish glycogen levels (Like WMS for example), making it more of an all-around intra-workout solution that could also be used as a sports drink! :)

[EMISGOD]

Here is the tagline for the advertising campaign for whatever it *ahem* is:

All cocaine, all the time!

[TinyMan]

Well, as an engineer, I've never really fit in. That's why I wonder: what would it be like if I was 500 feet tall.

And by that logic, I think a non-caffeine/non-stimulant capsule/powder to help with focus, concentration, and memory could be useful. Or at least, I might buy a truckload of it.

[dangetinthere]

Now, why would we do that? 3,5-T2 is considered the stronger isomer of the two with a host of more research studies documenting this. See attached and below:


Life Sci. 1998;62(26):2369-77. Related Articles, Links


Effect of 3,5-diiodo-L-thyronine on thyroid stimulating hormone and growth hormone serum levels in hypothyroid rats.

Moreno M, Lombardi A, Lombardi P, Goglia F, Lanni A.

Dipartimento di Chimica, Facolta di Scienze, Universita degli Studi di Salerno, Italy.

We have investigated the biological effects of physiological doses of 3,5-diiodo-L-thyronine (3,5-T2) and 3,3'-diiodo-L-thyronine (3,3'-T2) (at doses from 2.5 to 10 microg/100 g BW) on serum TSH and GH levels in rats made hypothyroid by propylthiouracil and iopanoic acid administration. In such animals deiodinase activities were inhibited and thyroid hormones serum levels strongly reduced. The effects of T2s were compared with those elicited by 3,5,3'-triiodo-L-thyronine (T3) (2.5 microg/100 g BW).The serum TSH level was much greater in hypothyroid rats than in euthyroid ones. T3 administration suppressed TSH by 88% compared to control (i.e, the level in hypothyroid rats); it thus reached a value not significantly different from that seen in the euthyroid rats. 3,5-T2 produced a similar effect, suppressing the TSH level by about 75% compared to control; it thus reached values not significantly different from those of the euthyroid and T3-treated rats. By contrast, 3,3'-T2 had no effect on TSH, whatever the dose. The serum GH level was much lower in hypothyroid rats than in euthyroid ones. T3 administration increased the GH level by about 5-fold, restoring it to the value seen in euthyroid rats. 3,5-T2-treated hypothyroid rats, at all the doses used (from 2.5 to 10 microg/100 g BW), showed increased serum GH levels: at a dose of 10 microg/100 g BW the level reached a value about 5-fold higher than that in hypothyroid rats. This value was not significantly different from those of euthyroid and T3-treated rats. 3,3'-T2 did not affect GH levels whatever the dose. Thus, 3,5-T2 (but not 3,3'-T2) seems to mimic the effects of T3 on serum TSH and GH levels in rats.

Nice, I guess my main reasoning was the fact that it doesn't effect TSH, I was under the impression that it still had all the benifits.

Either way why get rid of that product?

[Random Rufus]

I need a double cheese burger, hold the lettuce.

Don't be frontin' son, no seeds on the bun.

[musclescientist]

Nice, I guess my main reasoning was the fact that it doesn't effect TSH, I was under the impression that it still had all the benifits.

Either way why get rid of that product?

It appears that you are correct at least with respect to TSH. However, the abundance in 3,5-T2 literature makes us believe that it is the more effective thyrodial of the two. Especially, since the amount commerically sold appears to be on the low end of things. Just my 2 cents

[musclescientist]

Seems like everyone is looking for a great BCAA, b-Alanine and CM product. Have you guys seen our V12 HP 844?

[Blitz n destroy]

That is a sweet idea bro (not sure about the cordyceps, lol dunno how fungus would taste in a drink). Something with a generous dose of Beta-alanine, Citrulline malate, BCAAs, and some good carbs to replenish glycogen levels (Like WMS for example), making it more of an all-around intra-workout solution that could also be used as a sports drink! :)

haha, yeah...i just thought the cordyceps would be a nice inclusion, and SAN has strong flavoring power...but that might be a tuffy.

I am training rediculously hard right now(in the weight room and out), and although I love my Xtend/Carnage stack...having a drink with BCAAs/Citrulline Malate/B-Alanine/ and some other performance enhancer/recovery/endurance boosters would be very nice...I would mix my Body Octane and Xtend..but my Body Octane got moldy?! No good for me any more :(

[Elliptical Envy]

Seems like everyone is looking for a great BCAA, b-Alanine and CM product. Have you guys seen our V12 HP 844?

LOL....I was thinking the same thing. :)

[Blitz n destroy]

Seems like everyone is looking for a great BCAA, b-Alanine and CM product. Have you guys seen our V12 HP 844?

Funny...that flew right over my head, and I have a full unopened tub of it on my kitchen counter. :o

In that case...a good pre-workout/task, stim free focus/energy enhancer, or an insulin mimetic?

[musclescientist]

Funny...that flew right over my head, and I have a full unopened tub of it on my kitchen counter. :o

In that case...a good pre-workout/task, stim free focus/energy enhancer, or an insulin mimetic?


Insulin Mimietic -- Na-R-ALA upcoming two weeks.

Free Focus Energy Enhancer -- Have you ever tried Liporedux? If not, PM your address to vanessa@sann.net and request some samples. You gonna love it

[dangetinthere]

It appears that you are correct at least with respect to TSH. However, the abundance in 3,5-T2 literature makes us believe that it is the more effective thyrodial of the two. Especially, since the amount commerically sold appears to be on the low end of things. Just my 2 cents

I can't disagree with that.

[jmil]

Seems like everyone is looking for a great BCAA, b-Alanine and CM product. Have you guys seen our V12 HP 844?

I've never seen that before, looks like a great product...I was thinking more along the lines of around 7 grams of Citrulline Malate, 6-7 grams of BA, and a few grams of creatine...like I said, just my .02, but I know that would be a product that I could most certainly make a staple!

[musclescientist]

I've never seen that before, looks like a great product...I was thinking more along the lines of around 7 grams of Citrulline Malate, 6-7 grams of BA, and a few grams of creatine...like I said, just my .02, but I know that would be a product that I could most certainly make a staple!

Why do you need 6-7grams of BA? It works best (at least for me) at 800mg three times per day. I can even imagine the paresthesia attack on such a high dose

[Blitz n destroy]

Insulin Mimietic -- Na-R-ALA upcoming two weeks.

Free Focus Energy Enhancer -- Have you ever tried Liporedux? If not, PM your address to vanessa@sann.net and request some samples. You gonna love it

Liporedux looks like a solid formula, but there is 200mg of caffeine in it. Is there also a stim-free version I am not seeing?


I'll be looking out for the Na-R-ALA. I have a huge cheat day planned once I hit 8% :D

[ZDub212]

Insulin Mimietic -- Na-R-ALA upcoming two weeks.

Free Focus Energy Enhancer -- Have you ever tried Liporedux? If not, PM your address to vanessa@sann.net and request some samples. You gonna love it

NA-R-ALA...I want this...now. I'm buying it in bulk soon...dayum!

[Elliptical Envy]

Why do you need 6-7grams of BA? It works best (at least for me) at 800mg three times per day. I can even imagine the paresthesia attack on such a high dose

Studies were performed with at least 4 grams of BA and other products are dosed higher than 2400 mg per day. I usually go up to 6 grams of BA a day without any paresthesia at all.

[Secret_Hope]

How about an econo-whey with some wild flavors like chocolate caramel brownie or iced cinnamon buns?

Maybe you could make a P-SARM product similar to RPM.

[Zachattack43]

How about an econo-whey with some wild flavors like chocolate caramel brownie or iced cinnamon buns? .

no money in that

[DavidCream]

You know what would be phenominal, an Appetite Enhancer.
I know there's Controlled Labs Black Hole, but that didn't work for my friends and I and i think its cuz we used to get blunted too often so the effects diminished. If there was a way of increasing appetite without mimicking cannibus that would be great.

Or a new pro-hormone type product thats not a clone and not a nha. But really on the appetite enhancer.

[Zachattack43]

You know what would be phenominal, an Appetite Enhancer.
I know there's Controlled Labs Black Hole, but that didn't work for my friends and I and i think its cuz we used to get blunted too often so the effects diminished. If there was a way of increasing appetite without mimicking cannibus that would be great.

Or a new pro-hormone type product thats not a clone and not a nha. But really on the appetite enhancer.

prohormones would land SAN on the FDA/DEA radar and that is not a smart business move.

Appetite Enhancer is such a small market product when considering most americans want to look better and lose weight, not eat more. This type of product has a very limited reach

[TinyMan]

prohormones would land SAN on the FDA/DEA radar and that is not a smart business move.

Appetite Enhancer is such a small market product when considering most americans want to look better and lose weight, not eat more. This type of product has a very limited reach

It is, but also consider that your target audience is not necessarily the 'typical American.' There are plenty of people in fitness and BB who are looking to bulk up and having difficulty - just that historically, that grouping has gotten far less attention than the grouping trying to lose weight (hey, I calls them like I sees them :cool:). How many times have you seen a thread from someone looking to gain some weight... I've gotten a good number of PM's that are along those lines - looking for a product to help pack on some poundage.

I agree about the comment with LR - it is a caffeine containing product, and consequently I wouldn't really want to take it for studying (200mg of caffeine when I'm studying really isn't so hot), especially as I often study later at night, and caffeine becomes a poor choice because of the effect with sleep disruption.

I've got a good aid with caffeine for when I take a test, or working in the morning/afternoon (SNS Focus XT), but really not much for studying when I don't want caffeine - the only caffeine-free aid didn't do a whole lot for me.

[TinyMan]

I've never seen that before, looks like a great product...I was thinking more along the lines of around 7 grams of Citrulline Malate, 6-7 grams of BA, and a few grams of creatine...like I said, just my .02, but I know that would be a product that I could most certainly make a staple!

6-7g of beta-alanine in one dose sounds really high to me... doubling up on a product would be 12-14g... maybe knock it down a couple of grams to say, 3-4g in a dose, in a double-dosing configuration? I do agree however, that I'd really like to see a higher-dose citrulline malate product on the market. There are woefully few that get into the 'sweet spot' thought to exist with CM, IMO.

[Da Main Man]

posoidon cross bred with BSL's Osmolyte style product.
not the typical arginine + creatine cell volumizer.....something different.

maybe even something to compete with BSL Go and SNS Focus XT

i remember lonny saying a while back he likes the Vault nootropic aspect - but not everyone wants a kitchen sink NO product.

[naturalguy]

How about a better tasting Vault? The product is phenomenal but the taste is pretty harsh and I am no pansy when it comes to taste.

[TinyMan]

Ka-Bump! Keep the mental juices flowing (and for some of you, stop the others).

[Secret_Hope]

no money in that

Whatever do you mean? Most of the econo-wheys are just flavored chocolate, vanilla, and maybe strawberry.

[TinyMan]

Whatever do you mean? Most of the econo-wheys are just flavored chocolate, vanilla, and maybe strawberry.

Problem is, protein is by nature, very low margin. I think that's what he was referring to (once you consider the raws, shipping, etc vs the price...).

[cakedonkey]

Bumping this. Some interesting input thus far...

[TinyMan]

I had it suggested to me for SAN to enter the market of postworkout protein/carb drinks - the newer recovery formulas that have become something of a craze (WMS, electrolyte, protein, etc).

[PumpingSteel]

better and cheaper version of the legend supplement..

cell tech with some BCAA or something

[Zachattack43]

better and cheaper version of the legend supplement..

cell tech with some BCAA or something

meh....

[Elliptical Envy]

better and cheaper version of the legend supplement..

cell tech with some BCAA or something

:confused:

[jmil]

Why do you need 6-7grams of BA? It works best (at least for me) at 800mg three times per day. I can even imagine the paresthesia attack on such a high dose

See Envy's post.


6-7g of beta-alanine in one dose sounds really high to me... doubling up on a product would be 12-14g... maybe knock it down a couple of grams to say, 3-4g in a dose, in a double-dosing configuration? I do agree however, that I'd really like to see a higher-dose citrulline malate product on the market. There are woefully few that get into the 'sweet spot' thought to exist with CM, IMO.

Tiny, I actually meant 6-7 grams per day, not in 1 dose...yes, that would be very high lol.

[cxm]

I would look into maybe in pre/during workout drink consisting of BCAA's, beta-alanine, citrulline malate, electrolytes, vitamin b's, antioxidants and possibly some carbs.

This could be sold in powder form instead of plastic bottles or cans.

A product of this nature can be used almost for any athlete(bodybuilder, mma, runners, cyclists, hikers, etc.)

[murph]

any chance of new Infusion flavors

[cakedonkey]

any chance of new Infusion flavors


I believe this may be in the works. But really, there are so many other things--much more important things--that need to be tackled before that really happens.

[ncangey0513]

Citrulline Malate, Leucine, and Beta-Alanine. Could be pretty harsh for endurance, strength, and DOMS.

[little rambo]

Citrulline Malate, Leucine, and Beta-Alanine. Could be pretty harsh for endurance, strength, and DOMS.

x2

Gonna be some mad Beta-Alanine rushes goin on :cool:

[cakedonkey]

Everyone keeps saying citrulline malate and B-alanine. Hell, it even has BCAA with an emphasis on L-leucine. As Matt said earlier in the thread, has anyone seen our formula for V-12 HP844? This product seems to contain what many are apparently looking for.



BCAA Esters Catabloc Matrix 4.0g
(L-Leucine, L-Leucine-Ethyl Ester, L-Isoleucine-Ethyl Ester, L-Valine-Ethyl Ester)
Plasma Explosion Matrix 4.0g
(Arginine-AKG, Arginine-Ethyl-Ester DiHCI, L-Ornithine-AKG, L-Citrulline Malate, 2-Aminovaleric Acid)
Duralast? Matrix Reloaded 4.0g
(L-Taurine, L-Histidine HCI, Trimethylglycine)
Myodrive Remix 3.5g
(Glucuronolactone, Beta-Alanine, Orotic Acid Anhydrous, L-Aspartic Acid, N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine)


To add, here's the FAQ thread on it: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1356811.

[drxmn]

Everyone keeps saying citrulline malate and B-alanine. Hell, it even has BCAA with an emphasis on L-leucine. As Matt said earlier in the thread, has anyone seen our formula for V-12 HP844? This product seems to contain what many are apparently looking for.





To add, here's the FAQ thread on it: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1356811.
I saw it but nothing will replace my old v12 turbo:D

[IntensityX]

A nanobot molecular DNA manipulator with DNA sequencers and cell hyperplasic properties(cherry limeade flavored) :D

[blackdream71]

A nanobot molecular DNA manipulator with DNA sequencers and cell hyperplasic properties(cherry limeade flavored) :D

i already have the patent on that!

[Death From Above]

post workout canned or carton RTD with whey and carbs.

[IntensityX]

i already have the patent on that!

Oh please you couldn't even design a paper airplane :D

[blackdream71]

Oh please you couldn't even design a paper airplane :D

i invented Fadogia! Ask Anthony Roberts! :mad: :p

[INGENIUM]

something that is somehow innovative...otherwise, don't bother

[bkprice14]

I would love to see something like this:

Testofen
Icariin 50%
Fadogia
DIM
6-bromo or your favorite AI

[ncangey0513]

A supercharged stimulant. Something not for the faint of heart. :D

[cakedonkey]

I would love to see something like this:

Testofen
Icariin 50%
Fadogia
DIM
6-bromo or your favorite AI



Did you see the new Atttude formula?

[bkprice14]

No, I`ll check it out. I have used SAN products before and like the results. I always thought a weight gainer with no protein or taste would be good, one in which you could add your favorite protein blend or favorite Brand.

[musclescientist]

No, I`ll check it out. I have used SAN products before and like the results. I always thought a weight gainer with no protein or taste would be good, one in which you could add your favorite protein blend or favorite Brand.


Keep it coming guys.

[Matt96teg]

I am always interested in 0, 0 fat carb Whey Isolate proteins, now that Scivation dx'd theirs I have no great tasting chocolate isolates.

[ncangey0513]

I am always interested in 0, 0 fat carb Whey Isolate proteins, now that Scivation dx'd theirs I have no great tasting chocolate isolates.

Have you tried ErgoPharm's GF-Pro??

[Matt96teg]

Have you tried ErgoPharm's GF-Pro??

I have tried them all but the chocolate & vanilla. I always seem to have mixing problems with GF-Pro, good protein though.

[ncangey0513]

I have tried them all but the chocolate & vanilla. I always seem to have mixing problems with GF-Pro, good protein though.

Gotcha. I've heard pretty good things about Dymatize ISO-100 as well.

[Matt96teg]

Gotcha. I've heard pretty good things about Dymatize ISO-100 as well.

I have tried pretty much all of them. I just prefer SAN since I have been using their products since the old school labels and A-100/T-100 days.(the first gold foil kinda looking labels)

[TinyMan]

No, I`ll check it out. I have used SAN products before and like the results. I always thought a weight gainer with no protein or taste would be good, one in which you could add your favorite protein blend or favorite Brand.

That's an interesting idea - I had never thought of something like that. Add a tub of it to turn a normal protein powder into a weight gainer or MRP.

[1-Testosterone]

Revive Myostatin Blockers! :D

[fmrazoroller]

one of my favorite all times supplements is five tetra...here are the ingredients..

90 Tablets
Supplement Facts
Serving Size2Tablets
Servings Per Container45

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value

AdenylPro-G? Formula 1250mg *
[Adenylpyrophosphoric Acid Disodium, Pyruvate (As Calcium Pyruvate)]

Cordy-CAMP? Formula 701.5mg *
[Cordyceps Sinensis Extract (Standardized To 7% Cordyceptic Acid And 0.2% Adenosine), Yohimbine HCL].

something with the ingredients with some BA and Citrulline and you have the ULTIMATE pre workout lactic acid buffer/muscle endurance aid on the market.

-cordyceps 3-5 grm
-BA 4-6 grm
-CM - 4-6 grm
-Adenylpyrophosphoric Acid Disodium - 2-4 gram
-Creatine 3-6 gram
-Caffiene/Caffine Free 100-200mg

i imagine it would cost way to much but i bet alot of people would buy it if it was packed with good ingredients

[DRP7]

All,

As everyone is likely aware SAN is always on the cutting-edge when it comes to new compounds and formulas. The question is what is next? What do the consumers want? I was going to create a poll, but the categories are so diverse, and we already have an extremely well-rounded line-up. Feel free to make any suggestions in here regarding what you think should come next.

Thanks all.

thanks for giving the consumers the opportunity to voice their desires.

A few months back I purchased SAN Blase Xtreme + SAn Tight Hardcore. Both products are very good, but for my taste, they are absolutely overloaded with caffeine, which limits their use for me and for many other people who are sensitive to caffeine.

It would be extremely cool, if you could release a modified version of those product, without the caffeine (or with strongly reduced caffeine levels).

[DRP7]

Gotcha. I've heard pretty good things about Dymatize ISO-100 as well.


Aren't Dymatize WPI's based on ion-exchanged isolates (which are physiologically inferior due to denaturation)?

[cakedonkey]

thanks for giving the consumers the opportunity to voice their desires.

A few months back I purchased SAN Blase Xtreme + SAn Tight Hardcore. Both products are very good, but for my taste, they are absolutely overloaded with caffeine, which limits their use for me and for many other people who are sensitive to caffeine.

It would be extremely cool, if you could release a modified version of those product, without the caffeine (or with strongly reduced caffeine levels).



Trust me, I've thought about this on more than one occasion. I've been more and more weary of stimulants as of late, espeically consuming too much caffeine on a daily basis.

I'd also like to see our Tight! in a Y-free version. I hate that stuff. Our Canadian version of Tight! is Y-free, as matter of fact (since it isn't allowed in the country).

[SwolenONE]

A SAN prod made by Joey like the old days :(

[SwolenONE]

Trust me, I've thought about this on more than one occasion. I've been more and more weary of stimulants as of late, espeically consuming too much caffeine on a daily basis.

I'd also like to see our Tight! in a Y-free version. I hate that stuff. Our Canadian version of Tight! is Y-free, as matter of fact (since it isn't allowed in the country).

Agreed, I use to use TIGHT samples while working at GNC and my blood pressure went nuts from that Yohimbine

[Zachattack43]

A SAN prod made by Joey like the old days :(

dude, he has his own company called MAN, look into it;)

I believe Joey only helped SAN come out with OX

[SwolenONE]

dude, he has his own company called MAN, look into it;)

I believe Joey only helped SAN come out with OX

I know that my brother, that was why I recommended the out of house formulation.

(I've also used every MAN product to date (with exception to scorchs new remix) and subscribe to Joeys newsletter)

I was under the impression he made most of their line back when they had the buzz that CL and some other Co's have today.

[1-Testosterone]

Joey has also helped Syntrax with products like SWOLE.

[Zachattack43]

I know that my brother, that was why I recommended the out of house formulation.

(I've also used every MAN product to date (with exception to scorchs new remix) and subscribe to Joeys newsletter)

I was under the impression he made most of their line back when they had the buzz that CL and some other Co's have today.

I am sure Joey was with them for a brief period of time (few months?)