Mine..

[StlBarbie]

Easy.

Double the portion of your tuna fish. You need to eat more protein so that your body can repair itself.

It is important to consume the right amount of calories in order to lose fat. This is almost like tuning to a radio channel, you can't go extremes, you must have to adjust it, too much or too little calories is no good for losing fat.

Remember you want to look good. Who cares how heavy you weigh? It's not as though people are going to carry a scale and ask you to step on it when they see you :)

I remember I saw this signature from Most_Muscular: More is not better, better is better, well I am going to change it to...

More is not better, less is not better, better is better.

Hey do share some of your bread recipes (thanks in advance!) I dont want to eat commercial bread anymopre and I dont want to get a bread machine...

Hey Missy... you have to trust us on this one! Lumiere is so right about too little calories is no good for burning fat! Remember, we are trying to build muscle here girl! Muscle is made of FOOD and muscle burns fat! Take a leap of faith and put away that dam scale for three months! Yes, you CAN do this and it will BE GOOD for you! Vanilla, weight wise I weigh 15 pounds more than I did three years ago and I still wear the same size clothes. My body composition is entirely different! It is very hard and defined and yet, I am not big! You can not use the scale.. it will just screw with you mentally! I KNOW this is the hardest thing to grasp in your head!

Choose to up protein with something you will eat! If you not going to eat double tuna then stick with the peanut butter for now. Again, you don't have to have it on bread.. put it on an apple, a banana, celery, or just eat it off the spoon! You are an awesome cook.........apply some of that creativity to your meal planning... make it FUN! You enjoy food, this is a great challenge for you!

I am definitely waiting on your recipes! The whole wheat one sounds fabulous!

Have a great day... and tweak today's food! Remember those muscles on the cover came from good eating and appropriate training! Eating correctly is just as much of the equation to build that body you want! Let us help you through this body transition.. it is hard to learn how to give up skinny fat and be truly lean.. but I know you are up to the challenge! Remember, skinnny fat sucks and you can't eat a dam thing when you are skinny fat! I will never go back to those days.........FREE YOURSELF!! :D

[VanillaBean_21]

For Whole Wheat or Plain white it's basically the same recipe just switch the flours around.

Whole Wheat/White bread

6 cups Flour(if making white I suggest using Bread Flour not All-purpose)
3 tbsp Yeast
3 cups lukewarm water
1/4 cup Sugar
1/2 tbsp Salt

Sprinkle yeast and sugar into water. Let that activate for about 10minutes. Once the yeast is activated, add the salt, then add the flour. Mix the flour in slowly. Once you get it all mixed knead it for 10-15minutes. Form dough into a ball and put back into bowl you had it in previously. Let the dough double in size. Once it has doubled in size, punch it down and knead for just a couple minutes. Form it into loaves(this makes about 3 loaves or 24 rolls) and put into butterd/greased pans. Let them rise again until they double. Once the dough has doubled, bake for 30-35min at 400.

This is the recipe I use for Chocolate Chip Cookies.

1/2 cup white sugar
1/4 cup butter
1 egg white
1/2 cup whole wheat flour
1/4 tsp salt
1/4 cup brown sugar
1 tsp Vanilla
1/2 cup All-purpose flour
1/2 tsp soda
1/2 cup semisweet chips

Preheat to 375. Mix sugars, butter, vanilla, and egg white until it has a creamy look and texture(Make sure you mix it enough so that there are no lumps). Stir in flours, soda, and salt. Add chocolate chips. I take my dough out with a melon baller becuase I'm anal about having perfectly round cookies but you can just use your hands. PLace cookie dough on ungreased baking sheet and bake for about 8-10minutes.
If the dough is too sticky then place it in the fridge for a couple hours. This will make them softer once they are baked as well.
I've never tried these but all the people whom I have given these too said they were excellent. Go figure. LOL

Heres another cookie recipe:

Boiled Cookies

1/4lb Butter
2 cups sugar
1/2 cup cocoa
1/2 cup Milk
Boil together for one minute. Removes from heat.
Stir in the following:
3 cups oats
1/2 cup PB
1 tsp Vanilla
Spoon onto greased cookiesheet and let them cool.
I like to roll these into little balls and sprinkle or roll in Confectionary sugar or coloured sugars.

I can post more! :D

[VanillaBean_21]

Hey Missy... you have to trust us on this one! Lumiere is so right about too little calories is no good for burning fat! Remember, we are trying to build muscle here girl! Muscle is made of FOOD and muscle burns fat! Take a leap of faith and put away that dam scale for three months! Yes, you CAN do this and it will BE GOOD for you! Vanilla, weight wise I weigh 15 pounds more than I did three years ago and I still wear the same size clothes. My body composition is entirely different! It is very hard and defined and yet, I am not big! You can not use the scale.. it will just screw with you mentally! I KNOW this is the hardest thing to grasp in your head!

Choose to up protein with something you will eat! If you not going to eat double tuna then stick with the peanut butter for now. Again, you don't have to have it on bread.. put it on an apple, a banana, celery, or just eat it off the spoon! You are an awesome cook.........apply some of that creativity to your meal planning... make it FUN! You enjoy food, this is a great challenge for you!

I am definitely waiting on your recipes! The whole wheat one sounds fabulous!

Have a great day... and tweak today's food! Remember those muscles on the cover came from good eating and appropriate training! Eating correctly is just as much of the equation to build that body you want! Let us help you through this body transition.. it is hard to learn how to give up skinny fat and be truly lean.. but I know you are up to the challenge! Remember, skinnny fat sucks and you can't eat a dam thing when you are skinny fat! I will never go back to those days.........FREE YOURSELF!! :D

I'm really trying to eat more jus have that fear of gaining fat. Tonight I have Bi/tri and am going to do 30-35min cardio. Only walking on inclines, no stair stepper. I'm going to have my favorite egg and cheese wrap tonight after I workout. It gives me more protein too! :D Oh boy, I have the biggest craving for this EAS Protein bar! 21g of protein but 230 calories. Oh well, I'll find something else I suppose.

I posted some recipes. I will post some later if you want. :)

[zb2612]

so what 230 kals big deal if you've worked out its not really a problem! you just don't eat them all the time :)

Zoe
xxx

[zb2612]

by the way nice recipes :)

Zoe
xxxx

[StlBarbie]

Whole food choices will definitely be your best and give you a better look in the long run but in the short run...eat the dam protein bar! Vanilla, my true food confessions... I do sometimes also crave protein bars.. and then I eat them girl!!! I figure them in my daily calories and ratios! Again, real food is ALWAYS best but sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do! Live a little honey and please don't allow yourself to be manipulated by a protein bar! :) I am really proud of the efforts you are putting forth..!!!! Keep it up and PUT AWAY THE SCALE FOR THREE MONTHS! Take your measurements and then take them once monthly! You can do this!!!!!!!!!!! TRUST ME - no more skinny fat.. it is never a good thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love your recipes.. my kiddos have already decided to make the boiled cookies later this evening! They sound fabulous! I'll let you know how they like them.

Let me know how your workout goes and be creative with your food planning....build those muscles baby!!!

[VanillaBean_21]

Whole food choices will definitely be your best and give you a better look in the long run but in the short run...eat the dam protein bar! Vanilla, my true food confessions... I do sometimes also crave protein bars.. and then I eat them girl!!! I figure them in my daily calories and ratios! Again, real food is ALWAYS best but sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do! Live a little honey and please don't allow yourself to be manipulated by a protein bar! :) I am really proud of the efforts you are putting forth..!!!! Keep it up and PUT AWAY THE SCALE FOR THREE MONTHS! Take your measurements and then take them once monthly! You can do this!!!!!!!!!!! TRUST ME - no more skinny fat.. it is never a good thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love your recipes.. my kiddos have already decided to make the boiled cookies later this evening! They sound fabulous! I'll let you know how they like them.

Let me know how your workout goes and be creative with your food planning....build those muscles baby!!!

Eh, I deicded not to buy it when I went to the store. I forgot more oats! Ugh. I'll have to go again tomarrow I guess. Oh, I don't own a scale actually lol. I only weigh myself at the gym once in a while. I have only been measuring my stomach. Never done anything else. I'll take some measurments though.

I don't know what else to eat. I was thinking a whole wheat pita with 1 tbsp PB but I don't like to eat a lot of PB. Up to 1.33tbsp Today so. I'll figure something else out though.

[StlBarbie]

Take all your measurments:
neck
shoulders
chest
waist
bicep
forearm
wrist
hips
upper leg
knee
calf
ankle
Then you will know exactly where you are starting!
STAY OFF THE SCALE...IT IS LIKE GOING TO THE DARK SIDE!!! LOL

Then focus in on your weight training, ADEQUATE eating to support muscle growth, and appropriate amounts of cardio and rest! I know many on here will help you develop a schedule for training...but you have to work with us girl to build that lean hard muscular body you want!

The kiddos are getting started on the cookies.. I have to go teach a class but I'll let you know how they like them later.

Take your measurements... and get together your dietary and workout ideas!

[VanillaBean_21]

Take all your measurments:
neck
shoulders
chest
waist
bicep
forearm
wrist
hips
upper leg
knee
calf
ankle
Then you will know exactly where you are starting!
STAY OFF THE SCALE...IT IS LIKE GOING TO THE DARK SIDE!!! LOL

Then focus in on your weight training, ADEQUATE eating to support muscle growth, and appropriate amounts of cardio and rest! I know many on here will help you develop a schedule for training...but you have to work with us girl to build that lean hard muscular body you want!

The kiddos are getting started on the cookies.. I have to go teach a class but I'll let you know how they like them later.

Take your measurements... and get together your dietary and workout ideas!

I hope your kids enjoy the cookies! :D My daughter loved them. I can give you that Apple Crisp recipe as well if you like. :)

I decided to eat a whole wheat pita with 1 tbsp PB. I will take my measurments in the morning.

Have a nice night!

[ms_mac]

Vanilla, your chocolate chip cookie recipe sounds fabulous. I am going to bake those on the weekend! Yummy.....I can't wait til Sat!

[StlBarbie]

Vanilla,

They absolutely LOVED the boiled cookies - those teen boys scarfed 'em down! I did not even get to see what the finished product looked like! lol Yes, when you have the opportunity post your apple crisp recipe! The boys love to cook because they love to eat!!!! It is a good thing they like to go to the gym and lift as much!

Hey great job on the food intake! Doesn't your body feel at peace when you give it what it needs???? You'll get the muscle ... work hard, eat right, and just give it a little time!

Have a great night! Thanks for the delicious recipe and hug that baby! :)

I'll watch for your posts tomorrow!

[Lumiere]

Is there a reason why the cookie recipes get more of my attention I wonder....

:D

I need to get all the bread ingredients from the shop, as you can tell I don't do any baking at all. lol. I just bought a freezer so I am quite eager to make things...

Apple Crisp? What is that? I love apples and can easily eat a couple a day.

[VanillaBean_21]

Apple Crisp

Preheat oven to 375. Peel as many apples as you like. I do 6-7. Slice into thin wedges.

Combine:
3/4 cup Oats
3/4 cup Brown sugar
1/2 cup flour
1/2 cup Butter(1 stick)(I melt it)
Add cinnamon or nutmeg if you like.

MIx together. Layer apples in baking dish and sprinkle mixture over top. When I do this I do layers so I make extra topping.

Bake for about 30-35min.:D

[VanillaBean_21]

Neck: 12.5"
Shoulders: 37.5"
Chest: 30"
Waist(Narrow): 23.5"
Waist(bellybutton): 26"
Bicep:10"
Forearm: 9"
Wrist: 5.75"
Hips: 31"
Knee: 13.5"
Calf:13"
Upper Leg: 17"
Ankle:8.75"

[VanillaBean_21]

1-
1/2 cup Oats, 1/2 cup Fiber One, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/4 cup GoLean, 1/2 cup skim milk

2-
WW Low carb Pita, 1 tbsp Pb

3-
2oz Tuna, ww tortilla, lettuce

4-
Grabbed a mini protein bar. Got called into work on short notice.

5-
4oz Chicken, 1/4 cup oats, 1/2 tbsp PB

6-
WW Tortilla, 3 egg whites, 1 slice FF Cheese

Ill post the caloric intake later!

[StlBarbie]

Neck: 12.5"
Shoulders: 37.5"
Chest: 30"
Waist(Narrow): 23.5"
Waist(bellybutton): 26"
Bicep:10"
Forearm: 9"
Wrist: 5.75"
Hips: 31"
Knee: 13.5"
Calf:13"
Upper Leg: 17"
Ankle:8.75"

Okay, now STAY OFF THE SCALE and get to work building some muscle girl!! Muscle is going to take food...so why don't you list your nutritional plan for the next month: calories and macros and then post your workout schedule. I am sure everyone will help you fine tune it. Back on page one of your journal Emma made some excellent suggestions for calories and macros. I certainly would not shoot for much below what she recommends! Trust me, she is a master at helping you achieve the goals you want!

"Better. Cals need to stay above 1700 in the least.

Protein is good. Keep it around 140g.
Keep net carbs above 200 every day. That means carbs - fibre > 200.
Keep fat at 35g or above.

Get more foods after your workouts.

Don't try to sneak in extra 'cardio'/activity to get rid of excess calories."

If you don't feel comfortable jumping right in at the 1700 calorie mark why don't you at least committ to 1500 a day and then work towards gradually increasing! Just some thoughts but I know you are very creative with food so I am sure you can come up with some awesome ideas! My guess is that you can also be as creative with your workout schedule so let's see it girl!

Remember.. this is a process...you are body sculpting... it is not a sprint.. it is more like a marathon but the results are worth the work! :)

[VanillaBean_21]

Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Maine...Blech
Age: 17
Posts: 360
Rep Power: 1
1-
1/2 cup Oats, 1/2 cup Fiber One, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/4 cup GoLean, 1/2 cup skim milk, 1 tsp PB

2-
WW Low carb Pita, 1 tbsp Pb

3-
2oz Tuna, ww tortilla, lettuce

4-
Grabbed a mini protein bar. Got called into work on short notice.

5-
4oz Chicken, 1/4 cup oats, 1/2 tbsp PB, 1/2 cup Peas

Pre-workout:
Banana, FF Yogurt, 1/4 cup oats

6-
WW Tortilla, 3 egg whites, 1 slice FF Cheese


Total: 1438
Fat: 33 22%
Sat: 3
Poly: 2
Mono: 2
Carbs: 196 43%
Fiber: 50
Protein: 123 36%

Workout:

I ended up doing 45min cardio because I was waiting for people to leave so I could actually do weights but it was so crowded.

I ddin't do legs like I wanted to because it was so crowded and I couldn't get a turn on anything. Gurr. So I did a whole upper body(Bi/Tri/chest/back/shoulder). Am going to do legs tomarrow.

[VanillaBean_21]

Okay, now STAY OFF THE SCALE and get to work building some muscle girl!! Muscle is going to take food...so why don't you list your nutritional plan for the next month: calories and macros and then post your workout schedule. I am sure everyone will help you fine tune it. Back on page one of your journal Emma made some excellent suggestions for calories and macros. I certainly would not shoot for much below what she recommends! Trust me, she is a master at helping you achieve the goals you want!



WHat do you mean Nutritional plan? I usually eat the same things everyday so.

[StlBarbie]

WHat do you mean Nutritional plan? I usually eat the same things everyday so.

Basically, I want you to plan your foods out so that you're getting in all of your calories and most especially all the vital protein you are going to need for muscle growth! It is perfectly fine if you eat the same foods everyday if that is what works for you, I think a lot of us do the same! Also, when planning your foods make sure you are getting in enough healthy fat grams.

My teenage boys made the Apple Crisp today after school! They love it Vanilla Bean! They think your recipes are wonderful! Thanks so much for sharing them - the boys are VERY grateful! :D

You are doing a great job!! Hey, did you do anything fun today????

[VanillaBean_21]

Basically, I want you to plan your foods out so that you're getting in all of your calories and most especially all the vital protein you are going to need for muscle growth! It is perfectly fine if you eat the same foods everyday if that is what works for you, I think a lot of us do the same! Also, when planning your foods make sure you are getting in enough healthy fat grams.

My teenage boys made the Apple Crisp today after school! They love it Vanilla Bean! They think your recipes are wonderful! Thanks so much for sharing them - the boys are VERY grateful! :D

You are doing a great job!! Hey, did you do anything fun today????


Well I usually just plan my meals daily and put them into Fitday.com.

No, nothing fun today. Too busy. LOL Found out my Mid-term grades though. Didn't do as well as I would have liked but oh well.

[VanillaBean_21]

1-
1/2 cup Oats, 1/4 cup Fiber One, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/4 cup GoLean, 1/2 cup Skim Milk, 1 tsp PB

2-
FF Yogurt, 1/4 cup Milk

3-
2oz Tuna, 1/2 cup cooked brown rice, 1/2 cup Peas

4-
2oz Tuna, 1/4 cup Oats, 1/2 tbsp PB

5-
3.5oz Chicken, 1/4 cup Oats, 1/2 tbsp PB, 1/2 cup green beans

6-
3 Egg whites, 1 WW Tortilla, 1 slice FF cheese

Total: 1321
Fat: 26 19%
Sat: 2
Poly: 3
Mono: 3
Carbs: 173 44%
Fiber: 36
Protein: 116 37%

[Makeupmonsterdo]

1-
1/2 cup Oats, 1/4 cup Fiber One, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/4 cup GoLean, 1/2 cup Skim Milk, 1 tsp PB

2-
FF Yogurt, 1/4 cup Milk

3-
2oz Tuna, 1/2 cup cooked brown rice, 1/2 cup Peas

4-
2oz Tuna, 1/4 cup Oats, 1/2 tbsp PB

5-
3.5oz Chicken, 1/4 cup Oats, 1/2 tbsp PB, 1/2 cup green beans

6-
3 Egg whites, 1 WW Tortilla, 1 slice FF cheese

Total: 1321
Fat: 26 19%
Sat: 2
Poly: 3
Mono: 3
Carbs: 173 44%
Fiber: 36
Protein: 116 37%


So, I guess you decided to forego all of the good advice given to you time and time again--your calories haven't budged.

[VanillaBean_21]

So, I guess you decided to forego all of the good advice given to you time and time again--your calories haven't budged.

I have been focusing on getting more protein. At this point I am not comftorable eating a lot more.

[VanillaBean_21]

I have gotten most of my mid-term grades except for 2.

Integrated Math 2: 77 - I thought I did better but I guess not. My 2nd Quarter Grade was a 95 and my 1st Semester Average was 92. I wanted that A. Gurr!

Biology: 98 - My 2nd Quarter grade was a 86 and my semester average was 83

Baking- 98 - Highest Grade in class

Us History: 92

Health & Tech Ed I will find out tomarrow.

I'm pretty pleased with my grades I suppose. Could have done better on the Math mid-term.

edit: Forgot my english grade.

English: 81 on the mid term but my grade averaged to a 84(high C..1 point from a B..Gurr)

[Lumiere]

Congratulation to your results!

Didnt know you were a As student.. ;)

I just noticed that you never mentioned having any fruit in your diet. Don't you like them? It has lots of benefits (nutrients, enzymes) If you don't take vitamins/multi, get some fruits. We need them! Lol. Real food is always better. When I was younger, I dieted excessively and denied myself essential vitamins. My hair, my skin suffered the most. I used to have shiny hair and clear skin but I don't anymore. I guess the damage was already done.

Anyway, don't let your protein/ calories dropped too low else your metabolism will suffer. And that's not what we want. We must keep that fire going...

Eat WELL and train hard.

[VanillaBean_21]

Didn't goto the gym last night becuase I had to work.

Am going to go tonight and do legs and maybe 20min cardio.

1-
1/2 cup Oats, 1/4 cup Fiber One, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/4 cup GoLean, 1/2 cup Skim Milk, 1 tsp PB

2-
FF Yogurt, 1/4 cup oats

3- WW Tortilla, 2oz Tuna, apple

4-
1/2 sweet potato, 2oz Tuna, 1/2 cup green beans

5-
3.5oz chicken, 1/4 cup oats, 1/2 tbsp PB, 1/2 cup green beans

6-
3 egg whites, ww Tortilla, 1 slice FF cheese

Total: 1266
Fat: 21 16%
Sat: 2
Poly: 2
Mono: 2
Carbs: 171 45%
Fiber: 38
Protein: 117 39%

This isnt great but it's all I got for right now.

If I got one of the protein bars I like id have 138g of protein and 1496 calories. I might get it. Not sure.

[VanillaBean_21]

Didn't goto the gym last night becuase I had to work.

Am going to go tonight and do legs and maybe 20min cardio.

1-
1/2 cup Oats, 1/4 cup Fiber One, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/4 cup GoLean, 1/2 cup Skim Milk, 1 tsp PB

2-
FF Yogurt, 1/4 cup oats

3- WW Tortilla, 2oz Tuna, apple

4-
1/2 sweet potato, 2oz Tuna, 1/2 cup green beans

Had a protein bar between 4 & 5

5-(Pre workout)
3.5oz chicken, 1/4 cup oats, 1/2 tbsp PB, 1/2 cup green beans, small banana

6-(Post workout)
3 egg whites, ww Tortilla, 1 slice FF cheese

Total: 1587
Fat: 30 18%
Sat: 6
Poly: 2
Mono: 2
Carbs: 214 45%
Fiber: 41
Protein: 140 37%




I added a protein bar. I have legs tonight.

[StlBarbie]

Great job Vanilla... you'll need it to work those legs hard enough! ;)
And do something fun today girl... and let me know what enjoyable thing you did! :)

[VanillaBean_21]

Great job Vanilla... you'll need it to work those legs hard enough! ;)
And do something fun today girl... and let me know what enjoyable thing you did! :)

I still want a banana! LOL

Nothing fun to do. I'm just gonna goto the gym then come home and sleep. My sister wanted me to come over for Pizza but I turned her down.

[StlBarbie]

Make your fun...the gym...that's the way it is suppose to be! Hell, you may need that darn banana too! lol

[VanillaBean_21]

Make your fun...the gym...that's the way it is suppose to be! Hell, you may need that darn banana too! lol


I had to clean the floors at the store tonight so sleep will be my fun! :D

[VanillaBean_21]

I decided to plan my meals for tomarrow since I got nothing else to do tonight. :D

1-
1/2 cup Oats, 1/4 cup Fiber One, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/4 cup GoLean, 1/2 cup Skim Milk

2-
2oz Tuna, 1/4 cup Oats, 1/2 tbsp PB

3-
2oz Tuna, 1/2 cup cooked brown rice, 2 tbsp salsa

4-
2oz Tuna, 1/2 sweet potato, 2 cup salad

5-
3.5 oz Chicken, 1/4 cup Oats, 1/2tbsp PB, 1/2 cup Green beans

6-
3 egg whites, ww tortilla, 1 slice ff cheese

Total: 1128
Fat: 21 18%
Sat: 2
Poly: 2
Mono: 2
Carbs: 145 43%
Fiber: 29
Protein: 103 39%

This is all I got so far. I might get my DaVinci(Raspberry!) tomarrow so I won't be eating the Natural PB in my oats so yeah. Maybe you ladies could help me a little with this?

[VanillaBean_21]

1-
1/2 cup Oats, 1/4 cup Fiber One, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/4 cup GoLean, 1/2 cup Skim Milk, 1 tsp PB

2-
2oz Tuna, 1/4 cup Oats, 1/2 tbsp PB

3-
2oz Tuna, 1/2 cup cooked brown rice, 1 cup brocolli

Had banana and 1 tsp PB inbetween these two.

4-
3 egg whites, ww tortilla, 1 slice FF Cheese

5-
3.5 oz Chicken, 1/4 cup Oats, 1/2tbsp PB, 1/2 cup Green beans

6-
2oz Tuna, 1/2 sweet potato, 1/2 cup green beans


Total: 1277
Fat: 27 20%
Sat: 2
Poly: 2
Mono: 2
Carbs: 168 45%
Fiber: 33
Protein: 108 35%

[VanillaBean_21]

No work today! :D I'm going to go see my sister for a little while today then go get some groceries. I don't need much but this is what I plan on getting:

Natural PB, Brocolli, few cans of Tuna, Kashi Crunch, and Flax Seed(Gonna give the real stuff a try and get rid of the gels).

Also, I'm going to buy some Whey today i think. If I can find one I can afford then I am going to buy it.

[StlBarbie]

Ground turkey, turkey breasts, protein pudding, yogurt, and some whole eggs once in a while are a few more suggestions! Spinach is also excellent with hard boiled eggs if you like that! It looks like you are really putting some thought into planning your foods, great job, just keep the calories UP so your metabolism stays up and you can build some quality lean mass! :)

[VanillaBean_21]

Ground turkey, turkey breasts, protein pudding, yogurt, and some whole eggs once in a while are a few more suggestions! Spinach is also excellent with hard boiled eggs if you like that! It looks like you are really putting some thought into planning your foods, great job, just keep the calories UP so your metabolism stays up and you can build some quality lean mass! :)

I added a small banana and another teaspoon of PB to my menu. Feeling like crap about myself today..again. Not doing anything fun. Couldn't find any whey either.

[StlBarbie]

I added a small banana and another teaspoon of PB to my menu. Feeling like crap about myself today..again. Not doing anything fun. Couldn't find any whey either.

The banana and peanut butter are great choices for you! There is life without whey, so don't fret about it! Everybody has up and down days, girl, it is how you deal with them that matters! You love food and you are so creative ... why not have some fun planning next week's menu and focus on appropriate calories, and protein, and foods you like to eat! Why don't you plan and post your workout schedule too! Make it fun!

[VanillaBean_21]

Here is my workout schedule:

Monday: 30min cardio + Bi/tri
Tuesday: Chest/Shoulders/Back + 30min Cardio
Wednesday: 45min cardio + Legs
Thursday: 25min Cardio + Bi/tri
Friday: 25min cardio + Chest/back/shoulders

I'll aim for 1400-1500cal/day this week.

[Jennifer-Lynn]

Hey VanillaBean:

Here are a few things I like to eat. Now remember I love Oats and I don't handle veggies very well so you can always add the vegetables in.

Combinations I Love
- 6 whites/1 tbsp. PB or almond butter/.5 oats (it is so good)
- Chicken and/or turkey (3oz.)/.5 oats/1 tbsp. PB and/or A.Butter
- 9 whites/lots of veggies (i.e mushrooms, bell, red, yellow peppers) 1 tbsp. PB (this is good as dinner) or instead of the eggs have chicken or turkey but make it 3.5oz.
- Make a veggie omlete use some oil for the good fat (use tons of veggies)

Here's another one I really like:
.75 ff cottage cheese/.5 c. blue berries/.33 or .5 oats (really yummy)

Also with your whey - I buy an isolate (0 carb, 0 sugar, 100 cals (1 scoop), 25 grms. protein) I add .5 c. oats and .5 c. blue berries this is really good!!!

Just some suggestions to help replace all the kashi cereals and gels etc...

[VanillaBean_21]

Hey VanillaBean:

Here are a few things I like to eat. Now remember I love Oats and I don't handle veggies very well so you can always add the vegetables in.

Combinations I Love
- 6 whites/1 tbsp. PB or almond butter/.5 oats (it is so good)
- Chicken and/or turkey (3oz.)/.5 oats/1 tbsp. PB and/or A.Butter
- 9 whites/lots of veggies (i.e mushrooms, bell, red, yellow peppers) 1 tbsp. PB (this is good as dinner) or instead of the eggs have chicken or turkey but make it 3.5oz.
- Make a veggie omlete use some oil for the good fat (use tons of veggies)

Here's another one I really like:
.75 ff cottage cheese/.5 c. blue berries/.33 or .5 oats (really yummy)

Also with your whey - I buy an isolate (0 carb, 0 sugar, 100 cals (1 scoop), 25 grms. protein) I add .5 c. oats and .5 c. blue berries this is really good!!!

Just some suggestions to help replace all the kashi cereals and gels etc...
Thanks for the suggestions.
I don't really wanna replace the Kashi. LOL If I dont have it for breakfast then it's all I want to eat during the day. Also, it's the only thing I really enjoy eating, everything else I just eat becuase I need the protein.

[VanillaBean_21]

1-
1/2 cup Oats, 1/4 cup Fiber One, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/4 cup GoLean, 1/2 cup Skim Milk, 1 tsp PB

2-
2oz Tuna, 1/4 cup Oats, 1/2 tbsp PB

3-
2oz Tuna, 1/2 cup cooked brown rice, 1 cup brocolli

Had banana and 1 tsp PB inbetween these two.

4-
3 egg whites, ww tortilla, 1 slice FF Cheese

5-
3.5 oz Chicken, 1/4 cup Oats, 1/2tbsp PB, 1/2 cup Green beans

6-
2oz Tuna, 1/2 sweet potato, 1/2 cup green beans


Total: 1277
Fat: 27 20%
Sat: 2
Poly: 2
Mono: 2
Carbs: 168 45%
Fiber: 33
Protein: 108 35%

Ugh. I don't want my meal 6. Blech.

[Ravenous_T]

Here is my workout schedule:

Monday: 30min cardio + Bi/tri
Tuesday: Chest/Shoulders/Back + 30min Cardio
Wednesday: 45min cardio + Legs
Thursday: 25min Cardio + Bi/tri
Friday: 25min cardio + Chest/back/shoulders

I'll aim for 1400-1500cal/day this week.


I would recommend that you separate your chest/back/delts days. Thats simply too much volume with the amount of cals you are getting. I would also drop your bodypart frequency to 1x per week, unless you are having heavy and light days. The cals need to go up, but if you drop your frequency in training you'll probably see better results. Are you doing cardio before your lifting?

[VanillaBean_21]

I would recommend that you separate your chest/back/delts days. Thats simply too much volume with the amount of cals you are getting. I would also drop your bodypart frequency to 1x per week, unless you are having heavy and light days. The cals need to go up, but if you drop your frequency in training you'll probably see better results. Are you doing cardio before your lifting?

I always do Cardio after lifting. If i spearated the back/chest/delts, I would have one lifting session that was 10minutes. LOL

[VanillaBean_21]

Today I decided to try different kinds of protein. Something different I suppose.

1-1/2 cup Oats, 1/4 cup Fiber One, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/4 cup GoLean, 1/2 cup Skim Milk, 1 tbsp pb

2-
ff yogurt, 1/4 cup oats

3-
1/4 cup oats, 1/2 tbsp PB

4-
4oz rabbit, 1/2 sweet potato, 1/2 cup green beans

5-
1 Ostrich fillet, 1/2 cup cooked brown rice, 1 cup brocolli

6-
3 egg whites, ww tortilla, 1 slice ff cheese

Total: 1310
Fat: 24 17%
Sat: 3
Poly: 3
Mono: 3
Carbs: 177 47%
Fiber: 31
Protein: 112 36%

[Lumiere]

Looking good!

Wondering how you cooked your rabbit.

I suppose if you were to seperate the chest/back into different days then you will be able to train them with more intensity. i.e. you are dedicating all your energy just for one muscle group.

I used to do back and chest together, in fact my gym trainer still thinks i should train these two muscle groups on the same day (he considers 6kg db heavy for women, lol) But it was only when i trained them on seperate days then i began to see good progress.

And i spent less time in the gym and more time to grow!

[Ravenous_T]

I always do Cardio after lifting. If i spearated the back/chest/delts, I would have one lifting session that was 10minutes. LOL


How many sets/reps/exercises are you doing on chest/back/delts day? I went back quite a bit in your log and didn't see anything when I skimmed.

[imperfectly_lou]

I would definitely recommend separating chest and back at a minimum. A good chest workout will generally take 20-30mins to do :) Lift heavy and don't rush it!

[VanillaBean_21]

Ok todays eating got changed a little bit becuase I went snowmobiling with my sister and her friends.

1-(6:00)1/2 cup Oats, 1/4 cup Fiber One, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/4 cup GoLean, 1/2 cup Skim Milk, 1 tbsp pb

2(9:00)-
ff yogurt, 1/4 cup oats

3(12:00)-
1/4 cup oats, 1/2 tbsp PB
Didn't get home from snowmobiling until 6:15

4(6:30)-
2oz Rabbit, 1/2 Ostrich Fillet, 1/2 sweet potato, 1 cup brocoli, 1/2 tbsp PB

5(8:20)- I didnt have any eggs or cheese left.
1/4 cup ea. Fiber one, Golean, Crunch, Oats.

Total: 1211
Fat: 27 21%
Sat: 3
Poly: 3
Mono: 3
Carbs: 179 49%
Fiber: 37
Protein: 87 30%

Later tonight I might have 3oz Tuna.

[Lumiere]

What is snowmobiling? Forgive my ignorance.

If you dont feel comfortable bringing real food with you when you go out, a protein bar would be useful in this situation. 6 hours without food is not very good especially during daytime (when you are doing some form of exercises)

Can you buy more eggs during your weekly shopping and keep them in the fridge or somewhere cold? It is better to have a good supply of clean food in the house.

Ps. You mentioned you wanted to aim for 1400-1500cal this week.

[VanillaBean_21]

1-
1/2 cup Oats, 1/4 cup Fiber One, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/4 cup GoLean, 1/2 cup Skim Milk, 1 tbsp pb

2-
1/4 cup oats, 1/2 tbsp PB, 1 tbsp Flax Seed

3-
1/2 cup cooked brown rice, 2oz Ostrich, 1cup brocolli

4-
WW Tortilla, 3 Egg whites, 1 slice FF Cheese, 1 tsp PB

5-
3.5oz Chicken, 1/4 cup oats, 1/2 tbsp PB, 1/2 cup green beans

6-

2oz Tuna, 1/2 sweet potato, 1 cup brocolli


Total: 1275
Fat: 30 22%
Sat: 2
Poly: 3
Mono: 2
Carbs: 159 40%
Fiber: 36
Protein: 114 38%

[VanillaBean_21]

What is snowmobiling? Forgive my ignorance.

If you dont feel comfortable bringing real food with you when you go out, a protein bar would be useful in this situation. 6 hours without food is not very good especially during daytime (when you are doing some form of exercises)

Can you buy more eggs during your weekly shopping and keep them in the fridge or somewhere cold? It is better to have a good supply of clean food in the house.

Ps. You mentioned you wanted to aim for 1400-1500cal this week.

You must live in a warm climate! :D

Snowmobiling is well basically riding a snowmobile....through snow trails. :D I LOVE it! Not as much as I like Sea-Doo'ing and Four Wheelin! It's really as ton of fun.

I buy farm fresh eggs(I prefer the taste) and the lady I buy them from hasn't been getting a lot of eggs lately so I had to wait when mine ran out. Only $0.75 for a dozen!

[VanillaBean_21]

1-
1/2 cup Oats, 1/4 cup Fiber One, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/4 cup GoLean, 1/2 cup Skim Milk, 1 tbsp pb

2-
1/4 cup oats, 1/2 tbsp PB, 1 tbsp Flax Seed

3-
1/2 cup cooked brown rice, 2oz Ostrich, 1cup brocolli

4-
WW Tortilla, 3 Egg whites, 1 slice FF Cheese, 1 tsp PB

5-
3.5oz Chicken, 1/4 cup oats, 1/2 tbsp PB, 1/2 cup green beans

6-

2oz Tuna, 1/2 sweet potato, 1 cup brocolli


Total: 1275
Fat: 30 22%
Sat: 2
Poly: 3
Mono: 2
Carbs: 159 40%
Fiber: 36
Protein: 114 38%

Added a pre-workout meal: FF Yogurt, 1/4 cup Oats

Total: 1420
Fat: 31 20%
Sat: 2
Poly: 3
Mono: 3
Carbs: 183 43%
Fiber: 37
Protein: 124 37%

[Lumiere]

You must live in a warm climate! :D

Snowmobiling is well basically riding a snowmobile....through snow trails. :D I LOVE it! Not as much as I like Sea-Doo'ing and Four Wheelin! It's really as ton of fun.

I buy farm fresh eggs(I prefer the taste) and the lady I buy them from hasn't been getting a lot of eggs lately so I had to wait when mine ran out. Only $0.75 for a dozen!

Sea-Doo'ing and Four Wheelin?! LOL...

How much egg white can you get from 3 farm fresh eggs? My local free range eggs are very very small but the taste is definitely good, its intense in flavour. I buy those to cook for my family. I am using the biggest size (normal eggs) for myself and 5 egg whites give me a cup. I have to pay $1.20 (Canadian) for a dozen.

The lady who sells eggs live 5 houses down the same road where I live so I usually get mine from her.

[VanillaBean_21]

1-
1/2 cup Oats, 1/4 cup Fiber One, 1/4 cup GoLean, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/2 cup Skim Milk, 1 tsp PB

2-
WW Low Carb Pita, 1 tbsp PB

3-
2oz Tuna, ww Tortilla, lettuce

4-
FF Yogurt, 1/4 cup Oats, 2oz Tuna, 1 tsp PB

5-
3.5oz Chicken, 1/4 cup Oats, 1/2 tbsp PB, 1/2 cup green beans

Pre-
ww bread, 1 tsp sf jam

6-
3 egg whites, ww tortilla, 1 slice FF Cheese

Total: 1394
Fat: 33 22%
Sat: 2
Poly: 2
Mono: 2
Carbs: 167 38%
Fiber: 41
Protein: 132 40%

[VanillaBean_21]

Ugh. I hate not having to work today! When I come home all I feel like doing is eating and eating! I don't goto the gym until 7 so I need to find something to do until then. Ugh. Sucks having no life. LOL

[VanillaBean_21]

Tonights routine:

CHEST-
Cable Crossover 2x10 10lbs 2x8 15lbs
Dumbell Flys 2x10 15lbs
DB bench Press 3x8 15lbs
Close Grip Bench Press 3x8 30lbs

SHOULDERS-
Front Dumbell Raise 3x8 15lbs
Seated Barbell press 3x10 30lbs
Standing DB Row 3x10
Upright Barbell Row 2x10

30 Min Cardio-
5 min warm up walk
5 min incline walk(Incline 5, Speed 4.5)
5 min Elliptical
5 min Stepper
5 min Elliptical
5 min Cool down walk

[Ravenous_T]

Tonights routine:

CHEST-
Cable Crossover 2x10 10lbs 2x8 15lbs
Dumbell Flys 2x10 15lbs
DB bench Press 3x8 15lbs
Close Grip Bench Press 3x8 30lbs

SHOULDERS-
Front Dumbell Raise 3x8 15lbs
Seated Barbell press 3x10 30lbs
Standing DB Row 3x10
Upright Barbell Row 2x10

30 Min Cardio-
5 min warm up walk
5 min incline walk(Incline 5, Speed 4.5)
5 min Elliptical
5 min Stepper
5 min Elliptical
5 min Cool down walk


Few questions....

How are you able to close grip bench 30 lbs if the bar itself is 45lbs? are you using a standard, rather than Olympic bar? Also, close grip bench will hit your tri's very hard. Many use it as a tricep exercise, not chest.

I would suggest doing the bench before anything else. Crossovers and flys are accessory work. I would also drop the flys.

Ditch the seated press and do standing or military (military prefered). Do the toughest momvents first- not isolation work. You don't need to do a stand row and upright row. Too many exercises. Just stick with a military press, and then one other shoulder movement.

[Ravenous_T]

PS- what happened to that 1500 goal for the week Heather?

[VanillaBean_21]

PS- what happened to that 1500 goal for the week Heather?

I don't know what else to eat.

[VanillaBean_21]

Few questions....

How are you able to close grip bench 30 lbs if the bar itself is 45lbs? are you using a standard, rather than Olympic bar? Also, close grip bench will hit your tri's very hard. Many use it as a tricep exercise, not chest.

I would suggest doing the bench before anything else. Crossovers and flys are accessory work. I would also drop the flys.

Ditch the seated press and do standing or military (military prefered). Do the toughest momvents first- not isolation work. You don't need to do a stand row and upright row. Too many exercises. Just stick with a military press, and then one other shoulder movement.

On the bench press, I dont use the 45lb bar. I use the bar that weighs 30lbs. I don't do the normal brench press.

If I drop some of those things, I will only be lifting for 15-20min or so.

[Ravenous_T]

On the bench press, I dont use the 45lb bar. I use the bar that weighs 30lbs. I don't do the normal brench press.

If I drop some of those things, I will only be lifting for 15-20min or so.


Why do you not do a normal bench press or use the olympic bar?

15-20 mins is fine as long as it is intense. You could also increase your sets.

In terms of the food thing, thats just a crappy cop out. You can find things to eat- you are just chosing not to out of fear. Just admit you are afraid to eat more - lame excuses just do not cut it.

[VanillaBean_21]

Why do you not do a normal bench press or use the olympic bar?

15-20 mins is fine as long as it is intense. You could also increase your sets.

In terms of the food thing, thats just a crappy cop out. You can find things to eat- you are just chosing not to out of fear. Just admit you are afraid to eat more - lame excuses just do not cut it.

I don't do the normal bench press with the olympic bar becuase I cannt lift it and I can't keep it balanced when I try to use it.

[Ravenous_T]

I don't do the normal bench press with the olympic bar becuase I cannt lift it and I can't keep it balanced when I try to use it.

Ok, then just use the lighter bar. DB bench press is fine, but you want to throw in a BB bench press at some point. You could also try doing a floor press if you have stability issues.

[Lumiere]

Few questions....

How are you able to close grip bench 30 lbs if the bar itself is 45lbs? are you using a standard, rather than Olympic bar? Also, close grip bench will hit your tri's very hard. Many use it as a tricep exercise, not chest.

I would suggest doing the bench before anything else. Crossovers and flys are accessory work. I would also drop the flys.

Ditch the seated press and do standing or military (military prefered). Do the toughest momvents first- not isolation work. You don't need to do a stand row and upright row. Too many exercises. Just stick with a military press, and then one other shoulder movement.

Yes, I would drop the flys too.

Do 2-3 exercises for chest and 1 to 2 exercises for triceps. If you hit your chest hard enough, by the time you finish your Close Grip BP, you will find it very difficult to do anymore significant tricep exercises.

Have you considered assistant dips?

The order should be Chest (compound then isolation) Tricep (comp then iso) Shoulder.

Beside military press you can add a side lateral raise.

I think the bar is not 30lbs if i am not mistaken, it should be around 10kg or slightly less than that, unless you are using a fixed weight bar.


If I drop some of those things, I will only be lifting for 15-20min or so.

Suggested Exercises:
2-3 exerciese for Chest: Assistant dips, Inclined DB Press (set the bench to 30 deg incline), Bench Press or Crossover
1-2 exerciese for Tricep: CG Bench Press And/or Push Down
1-2 for Shoulder: Military Press And/or Lateral Raise (start light for this, get the form correct first)

3 sets for each exercises, 6-8 reps for each set, choose a weight that is heavy enough so you can manage to do 8 and kind of hard to get the last rep at the last set.

Remember to do 2 warm up sets before you do dips. (warm up sets meant to be light weight and in the rep range of 10-12, the ideal is the get the blood flowing without exhaustiing your muscles)

I think it will take you at least 30 mins (including warmup) to finish these.

[VanillaBean_21]

Ok, then just use the lighter bar. DB bench press is fine, but you want to throw in a BB bench press at some point. You could also try doing a floor press if you have stability issues.

I do use a lighter bar, a 30lb bar.

[Ravenous_T]

I do use a lighter bar, a 30lb bar.


Yep - but I don't see anywhere where you have used it. Close grip is not the same as a regular bench - it hits the tri's more. Where are you weak in your bench press? coming off the bottom, middle, or the top?

[VanillaBean_21]

Yep - but I don't see anywhere where you have used it. Close grip is not the same as a regular bench - it hits the tri's more. Where are you weak in your bench press? coming off the bottom, middle, or the top?

I don't really know. I didn't do it tonight anyways so.

[VanillaBean_21]

Yes, I would drop the flys too.

Do 2-3 exercises for chest and 1 to 2 exercises for triceps. If you hit your chest hard enough, by the time you finish your Close Grip BP, you will find it very difficult to do anymore significant tricep exercises.

Have you considered assistant dips?

The order should be Chest (compound then isolation) Tricep (comp then iso) Shoulder.

Beside military press you can add a side lateral raise.

I think the bar is not 30lbs if i am not mistaken, it should be around 10kg or slightly less than that, unless you are using a fixed weight bar.



Suggested Exercises:
2-3 exerciese for Chest: Assistant dips, Inclined DB Press (set the bench to 30 deg incline), Bench Press or Crossover
1-2 exerciese for Tricep: CG Bench Press And/or Push Down
1-2 for Shoulder: Military Press And/or Lateral Raise (start light for this, get the form correct first)

3 sets for each exercises, 6-8 reps for each set, choose a weight that is heavy enough so you can manage to do 8 and kind of hard to get the last rep at the last set.

Remember to do 2 warm up sets before you do dips. (warm up sets meant to be light weight and in the rep range of 10-12, the ideal is the get the blood flowing without exhaustiing your muscles)

I think it will take you at least 30 mins (including warmup) to finish these.

Don't assisted dips involve another person? If they do, not I will never be able to do those.

I don't do tricep and chest in the same night.

[Ravenous_T]

I don't really know. I didn't do it tonight anyways so.


Make a mental note next time you do your bench of what areas you are having issues in. Maybe I can give you some pointers.

Is it a goal for you to get stronger?

[VanillaBean_21]

Make a mental note next time you do your bench of what areas you are having issues in. Maybe I can give you some pointers.

Is it a goal for you to get stronger?


No my goal is not to get stronger.

[Ravenous_T]

No my goal is not to get stronger.


What are your goals at the moment?

[VanillaBean_21]

What are your goals at the moment?

Not sure at the moment.

[Ravenous_T]

Not sure at the moment.

Your sure about that? Or are you worried to state them?

If not, you need to set some goals if you want to have a decent routine or results. Set some goals, stick to them, and you'll be amazed the progress that you make. You really won't get much of anything done if you are just breezing your way through something without knowing what you are doing.

[VanillaBean_21]

Your sure about that? Or are you worried to state them?

If not, you need to set some goals if you want to have a decent routine or results. Set some goals, stick to them, and you'll be amazed the progress that you make. You really won't get much of anything done if you are just breezing your way through something without knowing what you are doing.

I really don't know anymore. I've tried to think fo goals but can't think of anything.

[Lumiere]

Yes and no, if your gym has a dip station with an assistant lever then you can do it alone else you need somebody to help you.

[Ravenous_T]

I really don't know anymore. I've tried to think fo goals but can't think of anything.



Goals could be:


gaining strength
gaining muscle
improving on a certain lift
learning certain lifts
gaining weight
EATING MORE
self esteem or confidence boost
ect ect ect

You can't think of anything is another cop out Heather. You know damn well you can think of something. Whether you don't want to do it out of laziness, or fear is another story. But you are certainly capable of setting yourself some goals.

[VanillaBean_21]

Goals could be:


gaining strength
gaining muscle
improving on a certain lift
learning certain lifts
gaining weight
EATING MORE
self esteem or confidence boost
ect ect ect

You can't think of anything is another cop out Heather. You know damn well you can think of something. Whether you don't want to do it out of laziness, or fear is another story. But you are certainly capable of setting yourself some goals.

I tried gaining muscle but I couldn't do it.

[Ravenous_T]

Don't assisted dips involve another person? If they do, not I will never be able to do those.

I don't do tricep and chest in the same night.
You are doing tri's with the close grip bench. The are an accessory muscle in most chest excercises.

[VanillaBean_21]

You are doing tri's with the close grip bench. The are an accessory muscle in most chest excercises.

Well I did not know.

[Ravenous_T]

I tried gaining muscle but I couldn't do it.


I think the reason why you were not able to is obvious. You are eating too little to see any muscle growth. I can also almost garantee that you were not doing a routine that was hypertrophy orientated.

[VanillaBean_21]

I think the reason why you were not able to is obvious. You are eating too little to see any muscle growth. I can also almost garantee that you were not doing a routine that was hypertrophy orientated.

Oh well. I feel like giving up on everything right now so It really doesnt matter to me.

[Ravenous_T]

Oh well. I feel like giving up on everything right now so It really doesnt matter to me.


Then give up.

[Lumiere]

Then give up.

Don't give up. You can do it Heather.

[Ravenous_T]

Don't give up. You can do it Heather.


A little tough love. Heather knows that I don't put up with such BS.


Motivation only goes so far. How many of you have tried over and over to encourage her? Motivation comes from within.

[Lumiere]

Well I did not know.

Then learn.

[Lumiere]

A little tough love. Heather knows that I don't put up with such BS.

Motivation only goes so far. How many of you have tried over and over to encourage her? Motivation comes from within.

I know you don't put up with Bs. lol. Thats why I like you, would be good for me to have you as a coach.

Yes, motivation has to come from within, but the technique of how to motivate oneself has to be learnt. We can only encourage and give as much information as we can. As I stated earlier on, she is the one who makes the decision.

She has to want the result bad enough in order to continue.

Not eating enough is one reason.

Not convinced that she needs to gain muscle is another.

I think this is a moment when she is having some doubts.

[StlBarbie]

Vanilla,
I know you can do better and so do you and everyone else - you however, have to choose: choose to live, choose to learn, choose to be happy, and choose to be strong, mentally and physically. We are all here to help you but there is no helping someone who won't first help themselves. What happened to that 17 year old of several days ago who wanted the body similiar to the cover of Muscle and Fitness Hers and was going to put forth the effort to achieve it? Believe in yourself and don't be afraid to go for what you really want.. you can achieve this but you have to choose to make it happen! Come on sister... get off your ass and join us... it is a fun struggle!
Barb

[Lumiere]

Vanilla,
I know you can do better and so do you and everyone else - you however, have to choose: choose to live, choose to learn, choose to be happy, and choose to be strong, mentally and physically. We are all here to help you but there is no helping someone who won't first help themselves. What happened to that 17 year old of several days ago who wanted the body similiar to the cover of Muscle and Fitness Hers and was going to put forth the effort to achieve it? Believe in yourself and don't be afraid to go for what you really want.. you can achieve this but you have to choose to make it happen! Come on sister... get off your ass and join us... it is a fun struggle!
Barb

Bump.

Think about what powells2 and Ravenous_T said.

[VanillaBean_21]

Vanilla,
I know you can do better and so do you and everyone else - you however, have to choose: choose to live, choose to learn, choose to be happy, and choose to be strong, mentally and physically. We are all here to help you but there is no helping someone who won't first help themselves. What happened to that 17 year old of several days ago who wanted the body similiar to the cover of Muscle and Fitness Hers and was going to put forth the effort to achieve it? Believe in yourself and don't be afraid to go for what you really want.. you can achieve this but you have to choose to make it happen! Come on sister... get off your ass and join us... it is a fun struggle!
Barb

I don't know what happend. I guess I didn't know where to start. I really can't up my eating at the moment and Ugh I don't know anymore.

[VanillaBean_21]

I don't have any tuna left so I really have no idea what I'm ging to eat for lunch today.

1-
1/2 cup oats, 1/2 cup Fiber One, 1/4 cup GoLean, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/2 cup skim milk, 1 tsp PB

2-
FF Yogurt, 1/4 cup Oats

3-
No idea becuase I don't have any tuna

4-
Same as 3

5-
3.5oz Chicken, 1/4 cup oats, 1/2 tbsp PB, 1 cup brocolli

6-
3 egg whites, 1 cup brocolli

[VanillaBean_21]

Then give up.

Probably going to.

[imperfectly_lou]

Probably going to.

If thats the case, then you may as well stop posting...

[StlBarbie]

I don't know what happend. I guess I didn't know where to start. I really can't up my eating at the moment and Ugh I don't know anymore.

Vanilla, this is about SELF EMPOWERMENT..not self defeat!!!
The point is you CAN do these things, you just need to make that choice!
You have a vast amount of information and experience at your fingertips.. CHOOSE to use it! You are your own brick wall.. break it down and dare to do what you really want to! Don't be a victim of yourself, that is no way to live!!
:)

[Makeupmonsterdo]

12 pages of postings and 12 pages of other fantastic women trying to share their positive wisdom and advice. And 12 pages of beating our heads against the wall. Why are we trying to help someone who doesn't want to help herself? Someone on the other page said that motivation has to come within and others can only help a person so much--I couldn't agree with that any more.

This journal would be an entirely different story if the person was saying "I really want to better myself, please help me do that. I want to be proactive and educate myself about being healthy and strong." But this journal isn't the case. This journal is about a person who doesn't have a spine and doesn't have the nerve to get her sh*t together. Thanks for the circus sideshow, Vanilla. I'm outta here.

[Lumiere]

I don't know what happend. I guess I didn't know where to start. I really can't up my eating at the moment and Ugh I don't know anymore.

Why can't you? Think about it, be honest with yourself.


However if she is in denial she wont be staying here for long. It's a lot of pressure for a person with a ED if we constantly ask her to eat more food... this is her choice. Only she knows.

Take some time off and think about what you want. Your goal, your direction, the path you came from. Are you going to take a different approach this time and give weight training a chance or are you going to redo everything you did in the past?

You know you were unhappy and that was a bottomless pit.

Nobody here wants you to fail. Everybody here has to struggle one way or the other. This is a constant battle against oneself. We all have to face the same challenge everyday, the food, the temptation, the bloody weights and negative remarks from people we meet day in day out. That's why we come here to give each other support.

You are not alone! :(

[zb2612]

I think the reason why you were not able to is obvious. You are eating too little to see any muscle growth. I can also almost garantee that you were not doing a routine that was hypertrophy orientated.


i have to agree on this one even though you hate what i say neway

Zoe
xxx

[Jennifer-Lynn]

VB:

Okay....it surprised me that you said you didn't want to gain strength. why are you lifting then? And it saddens me that you have no goals at all!...this is really a problem. Let me ask you this....during the day is all you think about is getting your workout in? When you say you have no life its because your sitting around on purpose WAITING to go to the gym! Don't keep yourself in a sheltered cave...You have to get the nerve to step outside your box and live life! Stop fooling yourself.....

If I had to mention a goal right now for you...it is obvious to me that your killing yourself everyday to just get that workout in (and are you sure its only one workout your doing a day?)...You should build training in around your LIFE not the other way around unless of course its your career. Think about it, every day all you care about is getting in the workout, it doesn't matter what it is, its obvious you have no plan - your just going through the motions - BAD BAD BAD! This is why you'll get no where - but oh I forgot you don't WANT to get anywhere...your content (not sure if your happy, I don't know how you could be, let's say obsessed) with your size etc...in fact I'm sure you'd like to get smaller.

I do think you aspire to someday look like a woman with muscle....but think about this, in order to do that you have to step out and trust the advice your getting here! Otherwise the only purpose of this journal is to watch someone get no where but more narotic and more obsessive/compulsive...NO GOOD! I can't watch this anymore.....sorry.

[Emma-Leigh]

12 pages of postings and 12 pages of other fantastic women trying to share their positive wisdom and advice. And 12 pages of beating our heads against the wall. Why are we trying to help someone who doesn't want to help herself? Someone on the other page said that motivation has to come within and others can only help a person so much--I couldn't agree with that any more.

This journal would be an entirely different story if the person was saying "I really want to better myself, please help me do that. I want to be proactive and educate myself about being healthy and strong." But this journal isn't the case. This journal is about a person who doesn't have a spine and doesn't have the nerve to get her sh*t together. Thanks for the circus sideshow, Vanilla. I'm outta here.

And this is exactly what I did back in the beginning....

What is the point in rewarding weakness? All you are doing is re-inforcing her victim behaviour.

[Ravenous_T]

i have to agree on this one even though you hate what i say neway

Zoe
xxx


Huh?

[zb2612]

sorry thought that would be confusing i was trying to say that to VB lol but it seems like it was based on you oops !


Zoe
xxx

[Ravenous_T]

sorry thought that would be confusing i was trying to say that to VB lol but it seems like it was based on you oops !


Zoe
xxx


Ah I see. i was a little puzzled by that one. Thanks for the clarification. :)

[zb2612]

no probs i thought it was confusing when i had written it but couldn't b bothered to change it lol :P

zoe
xxxx


p.s all seems to be quiet at the moment

[VanillaBean_21]

Well, I went to the doctor today. She thinks I have thyroid problems so I had some blood work done and I will get my results in a week or something like that. I'm at 117lbs and I don't think I've gained any fat becuase everything still fits the same. My goal for right now are to get atleast 115g of protein daily and to drag my butt to the gym on my scheduled night(no matter how much i just wanna sit on the couch).

Meal #1- 1/2 cup Oats, 1/4 cup Fiber One, 1/4 cup GoLean, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/2 cup skim, 1 tsp Pb

Meal #2- FF Yogurt(Forgot my damn oats on the counter this morning)

Meal #3- 2oz Tuna, WW Tortilla, 1 small Orange

Meal #4- 1/4 cup Oats, 1/2 tbsp PB

Meal #5- 3.5oz Chicken, 1/2 cup green beans, 1/2 tbsp PB, 1/4 cup oats

Preworkout- WW Tortilla, 1 tbsp PB

Meal #6-2oz Tuna, 1/4 cup Oats, DaVinci

Total: 1400
Fat: 36 24%
Sat: 2
Poly: 3
Mono: 3
Carbs: 178 41%
Fiber: 40
Protein: 114 34%

Tonight I'm going to do Bi & Shoulders and 30min Cardio.


Also, any negative comments and what not I do not appreciate as I am trying to keep a positive frame of mind. Doc thinks Im depressed and isolated.

[Ravenous_T]

What does she think is wrong with your thyroid? I would hope to think that she doesn't feel that you are hypothyroid considering your weight.

[VanillaBean_21]

What does she think is wrong with your thyroid? I would hope to think that she doesn't feel that you are hypothyroid considering your weight.

She is having me tested becuase I told her about my hair loss and irregular periods. She said my weight was fine but it is always going up and down.

[VanillaBean_21]

Tonight I am either going out with my friend Kasey or going to do legs and cardio. Not sure what my plans are yet.

Diet I will post later. I had a small cheat meal today of 1cup beef stew.

[VanillaBean_21]

Meal One- 1/2 cup oats, 1/4 cup oats, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/4 cup GoLean, 1/2 cup skim

Meal two- Bowl of beef stew(Cheat meal)

Meal Three- 2oz Tuna, 1/4 cup oats, 1/2 tbsp PB

Meal Four- 3.5oz chicken, 1/4 cup oats, 1/2 tbsp PB, 1/2 cup peas, FF Yogurt

Meal Five(Post workout)- Luna bar(Only grabbed it becuase I was about to go out with my friend kasey)

Meal Six- 3 egg whites, 1 slice FF Cheese, WW Tortilla

Total: 1412
Fat: 34 23%
Sat: 8
Poly: 3
Mono: 7
Carbs: 171 41%
Fiber: 35
Protein: 117 35%

[VanillaBean_21]

Did Bi/tri tonight plus also walked around tonight for 30minutes with my friend Kasey.

Concentrated Curl 15lbs 2x10
Hammer Curl 15lbs 2x 18
BB Curl 30lbs 2x9
Rope Pulldown 35lbs 3x8
Kickback 2x12 15lbs

[Ravenous_T]

She is having me tested becuase I told her about my hair loss and irregular periods. She said my weight was fine but it is always going up and down.


How much does your weight vary?


Edit: I have seen you on forums for quite a while now, and you've never mentioned anything about your weight going up and down. You always seem to be in the 110-120 range correct?

Hair loss and period is probably related to your lack of cals. I'm surprised she said your weight was fine - Doctors usually go by BMI and yours would be too low considering your height and weight.

[VanillaBean_21]

How much does your weight vary?


Edit: I have seen you on forums for quite a while now, and you've never mentioned anything about your weight going up and down. You always seem to be in the 110-120 range correct?

Hair loss and period is probably related to your lack of cals. I'm surprised she said your weight was fine - Doctors usually go by BMI and yours would be too low considering your height and weight.

Its always going up or down. Last March it was 132. September 110. January 120. Now it's 117.

[VanillaBean_21]

Meal One: 1/2 cup oats, 1/4 cup oats, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/4 cup GoLean, 1/2 cup skim, 1 tsp PB

Meal Two: FF Yogurt, 1/4 cup oats

Meal Three: 3.5oz Chicken, 1/4 cup Oats, 1/2 tbsp PB, 1/2 cup green beans

Meal Four: 2oz Tuna, 1/2 sweet potato

Meal Five: 3.5oz Chicken, 1/4 cup Oats, 1/2 tbsp PB, 1/2 cup green beans

Meal Six: 3 egg whites, 1 slice FF Cheese, 1 ww tortilla

Total: 1376
Fat: 25 17%
Sat: 2
Poly: 3
Mono: 3
Carbs: 176 44%
Fiber: 33
Protein: 125 38%

No school today because of the snow. If the gym is closed the I am going to do a home workout I got from Oxygen Magazine.

If the gym is open then I am going to do chest/back + 35min cardio.
I'll post my routine later. :)

[VanillaBean_21]

Ok, so my doctor just called me and told me all of this.

My thyroid is kiw. My TSH(?) is 5 and it should be between 2-4. My FreeTA(?) is 0.16 and the normal is .885.

I have to have my blood drawn again and have a Thyroid antibody screening, CBC, and CMP.

Whatever that all means. All I know is that I'm not going on meds.

My doc doesnt think it is hypothyroidism because I have not gained any weight since I have noticed my hair loss and irregular periods.

[Emma-Leigh]

Ok, so my doctor just called me and told me all of this.

My thyroid is kiw. My TSH(?) is 5 and it should be between 2-4. My Free TA(?) is 0.16 and the normal is .885.

I have to have my blood drawn again and have a Thyroid antibody screening, CBC, and CMP.

Whatever that all means. All I know is that I'm not going on meds.

My doc doesnt think it is hypothyroidism because I have not gained any weight since I have noticed my hair loss and irregular periods.
This is a very incomplete profile and it is difficult to comment without knowing the complete picture.

Did he palpate your thyroid? Any palpable lumps or masses? Did they do a TRH test (thyroid releasing hormone)? Or any other perameters - eg: did they do a free T3? Results of your CBC should also be helpful - when you get them post them up.

Also - what does he mean with kiw (never seen that before)?

Anyway -
It would suggest that your thyroid gland is SUPPRESSED (NOT overactive!!) and you are not producing enough thyroid hormone.

However, as the TSH is HIGH it suggests that your brain control centers (hypothalamus and pituatary) are normal - so this means that the most likely cause is a problem with your actual thyroid gland (where it is not producing enough hormone - even though it is being told by your brain to do so).

Another option could be that you have a dietary cause of low thyroid hormone (which would be VERY rare in todays society... but could be possible with your history of a poor diet). But in this case you would normally be expected to have a palpable thyroid mass.

Severe stress or other illnesses can also cause lowering of your thyroid hormone (but your picture does not fit this as your TSH is usually low in these situations).

If you want more information you are going to have to get more tests done.

[VanillaBean_21]

This is a very incomplete profile and it is difficult to comment without knowing the complete picture.

Did he palpate your thyroid? Any palpable lumps or masses? Did they do a TRH test (thyroid releasing hormone)? Or any other perameters - eg: did they do a free T3? Results of your CBC should also be helpful - when you get them post them up.

Also - what does he mean with kiw (never seen that before)?

Anyway -
It would suggest that your thyroid gland is SUPPRESSED (NOT overactive!!) and you are not producing enough thyroid hormone.

However, as the TSH is HIGH it suggests that your brain control centers (hypothalamus and pituatary) are normal - so this means that the most likely cause is a problem with your actual thyroid gland (where it is not producing enough hormone - even though it is being told by your brain to do so).

Another option could be that you have a dietary cause of low thyroid hormone (which would be VERY rare in todays society... but could be possible with your history of a poor diet). But in this case you would normally be expected to have a palpable thyroid mass.

Severe stress or other illnesses can also cause lowering of your thyroid hormone (but your picture does not fit this as your TSH is usually low in these situations).

If you want more information you are going to have to get more tests done.

Oops. Mean't to write she thinks my thyroid is low. I'm going to get all my tests done either tomarrow or next week.

[VanillaBean_21]

Planning my meals for tomarrow so I don't have to do it tomarrow morning. :D Didn't goto the gym tonight because it was closed due to the snow. Gurrr.

February 11

Meal One: 1/2 cup oats, 1/4 cup oats, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/4 cup GoLean, 1/2 cup skim

Meal Two: 2oz Tuna, 1/2 cup cooked brown rice, 1/2 cup green beans

Meal Three: 2oz Tuna, 1/2 sweet potato, 1/2 cup green beans

Meal Four(Pre workout): 3.5oz chicken, 1/4 cup oats, 1/2 tbsp PB, 1/2 cup green beans

Meal Five: 3 egg whites, WW Tortilla, 1 slice FF Cheese

Before Bed: 1/2 cup LF Cottage Cheese

Workout: 35min cardio + Chest/Back

Total: 1148
Fat: 17 15%
Sat: 2
Poly: 2
Mono: 2
Carbs: 146 42%
Fiber: 33
Protein: 117 43%

[VanillaBean_21]

I got the urge to do my legs tonight but I think I will do those tomarrow morning(don't have to work :D). I'm going to start hitting my legs hard because I'm going to be wearing a skirt for the first time in almost a month!

Back/Chest

Bent over BB Row 40lbs 3x8
Seated Cable Row 45lbs 3x8-12
Roating DB row 15lbs 4x8
CrossOvers 15lbs 3x8
Dumbell Bench Press 15lbs 3x8-12
Dumbell Flys 15lbs 3x8

35min cardio

[VanillaBean_21]

Hopefully the gym will not be closed today! School is closed for a second day today. Going to go crazey being inside all day! :eek: Tweaked my diet a little bit.

Meal One: 1/2 cup oats, 1/4 cup oats, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/4 cup GoLean, 1/2 cup skim

Had a FF Yogurt + 1 tsp PB at 8:30

Meal Two: 2oz Tuna, 1/2 cup cooked brown rice, 1/2 cup green beans

Meal Three: 2oz Tuna, 1/2 sweet potato, 1/2 cup green beans

Meal Four(Pre workout): 3.5oz chicken, 1/4 cup oats, 1/2 tbsp PB, 1/2 cup green beans

Meal Five: 3 egg whites, WW Tortilla, 1 slice FF Cheese

Before Bed: 1/2 cup LF Cottage Cheese

Total: 1281
Fat: 20 180 15%
Sat: 2 20 2%
Poly: 2 18 1%
Mono: 2 20 2%
Carbs: 163 521 43%
Fiber: 33 0 0%
Protein: 127 506 42%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%

[VanillaBean_21]

Meal One: 1/2 cup oats, 1/2 cup fiber one, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/4 cup GoLean, 1/2 cup skim, .50tbsp PB

Meal Two: FF Yogurt

Meal Three: 3.5oz Chicken, 1/4 cup oats, .50tbsp PB, 1/2 cup green beans

Meal Four: 2oz Tuna, 1/4 cup oats, DaVinci

Meal Five: 3oz Salmon, 1/2 sweet potato, 1/2 cup green beans

Meal Six: 2oz Tuna, 1/4 cup Oats, DaVinci

Total: 1241
Fat: 26 236 20%
Sat: 3 26 2%
Poly: 4 39 3%
Mono: 4 39 3%
Carbs: 157 492 42%
Fiber: 34 0 0%
Protein: 113 451 38%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%

[Hibiscus09]

Hi Vanilla,

Hope everything works out with your thyroid tests.

I had to glance over to see where you were from when you made the snow remarks. I wish. I live in Columbia, S.C. and we hardly ever get to see any snow. :( Bar Harbor is on my list of places I must visit one day. :)

Hope you have a great Valentine's Day!

[VanillaBean_21]

Hi Vanilla,

Hope everything works out with your thyroid tests.

I had to glance over to see where you were from when you made the snow remarks. I wish. I live in Columbia, S.C. and we hardly ever get to see any snow. :( Bar Harbor is on my list of places I must visit one day. :)

Hope you have a great Valentine's Day!

We just got another 12inches of snow in the past couple of days. :eek:

Bar Harbor is AMAZING! I went in May of last year(first time) and I didn't want to leave! The scenery is beautiful! I never appreciated how beautiful Maine is until I went to Bar Harbor. :) It is worth a trip up here!

[VanillaBean_21]

Meal One: 1/2 cup oats, 1/2 cup fiber one, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/4 cup GoLean, 1/2 cup skim, .50tbsp PB

Meal Two: FF Yogurt

Meal Three: 3.5oz Chicken, 1/4 cup oats, .50tbsp PB, 1/2 cup green beans

Meal Four: 2oz Tuna, 1/4 cup oats, DaVinci

Meal Five: 3oz Salmon, 1/2 sweet potato, 1/2 cup green beans

Meal Six: 2oz Tuna, 1/4 cup Oats, DaVinci

Total: 1241
Fat: 26 236 20%
Sat: 3 26 2%
Poly: 4 39 3%
Mono: 4 39 3%
Carbs: 157 492 42%
Fiber: 34 0 0%
Protein: 113 451 38%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%

Added another teaspoon of PB and banana. Might added more.

Did squats today at home with my bar and weights. Actually did them to failure! My bar weighs 20lbs and I had 20lbs of weights on it. Also, I shoveled my driveway(Was bored!). Took me about an hour. I was sweating! LOL

Total: 1367
Fat: 29 20%
Sat: 3
Poly: 4
Mono: 4
Carbs: 181 44%
Fiber: 36
Protein: 115 35%

[VanillaBean_21]

1- 1/2 cup oats, 1/4 cup Fiber One, 1/4 cup Golean, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/2 cup skim, 1 tsp PB

2- 2oz Tuna, WW Pita, 1 tsp PB, FF Yogurt

3- 3.5oz chicken, 1/4 cup oats, 1/2 tbsp PB, 1/2 cup green beans

4- 2oz Tuna, 1/2 sweet potato

5- Same as 3

6- 3 egg whites, WW Tortilla, 1 slice FF Cheese

Total: 1394
Fat: 29 260 20%
Sat: 2 17 1%
Poly: 2 19 1%
Mono: 2 19 1%
Carbs: 157 487 37%
Fiber: 36 0 0%
Protein: 145 581 44%

[imperfectly_lou]

More protein is fine, more cals would be wonderful, go eat!

[VanillaBean_21]

More protein is fine, more cals would be wonderful, go eat!

I added another 100 calories just haven't updated yet. :D I'm actually getting comftorable eating more. I ended up with about 1600 yesterday.

[VanillaBean_21]

Ok, my legs are KILLING me! They are so sore! That's a good thing right? :D I did heavy squats(to failure) yesterday and now I can barely walk!

[VanillaBean_21]

Total: 1473
Fat: 32 20%
Sat: 2
Poly: 2
Mono: 2
Carbs: 170 38%
Fiber: 37
Protein: 147 42%

How does this look? I think I did pretty good today. :) Was a little scared away from all the protein becuase can't a excess of protein cause fat gain?

[Ravenous_T]

Total: 1473
Fat: 32 20%
Sat: 2
Poly: 2
Mono: 2
Carbs: 170 38%
Fiber: 37
Protein: 147 42%

How does this look? I think I did pretty good today. :) Was a little scared away from all the protein becuase can't a excess of protein cause fat gain?


Excess cals will cause fat gain - whether they come from fats, carbs, or protein. Your cals are not high enough to cause a fat gain.

[VanillaBean_21]

Meal One: 1/2 cup oats, 1/4 cup Fiber One, 1/4 cup Golean, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/2 cup skim

Meal Two: 2oz Tuna, FF Yogurt

Meal Three: WW Pita, 2oz Tuna, 1 cup Brocolli

Meal Four: 1/4 cup Oats, 1/2 tbsp PB, 2oz Tuna

Meal Five: 3.5 oz chicken, 1/4 cup oats, 1/2 tbsp PB, 1 cup brocolli

Meal Six: 3 egg whites, FF Cheese, WW Tortilla

Before Bed: 1/2 cup Cottage Cheese

Workout: Chest/Back + 35min Cardio

Total: 1323
Fat: 25 221 18%
Sat: 2 21 2%
Poly: 2 20 2%
Mono: 2 22 2%
Carbs: 147 447 36%
Fiber: 36 0 0%
Protein: 148 590 47%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%

[imperfectly_lou]

This is looking MUCH better.... try and keep your protein as close to 150g as possible.

[VanillaBean_21]

This is looking MUCH better.... try and keep your protein as close to 150g as possible.

Added another teaspoon of PB!

Total: 1356
Fat: 27 244 19%
Sat: 2 21 2%
Poly: 2 20 2%
Mono: 2 22 2%
Carbs: 148 451 35%
Fiber: 36 0 0%
Protein: 149 596 46%

I guess that's close enough. :D

[VanillaBean_21]

Not feeling too well today so I've decided not to goto the gym(even though I am feeling a little guilty). :(

[zb2612]

ignore the guilt feeling! i had a naughty day yesterday and felt guilty as hell but didn't run off to the gym after it !


Zoe
xx

[VanillaBean_21]

Was planning on having egg whites and oats this morning but forgot! Gurrr!

Meal One: 1/2 cup oats, 1/4 cup Fiber One, 1/4 cup Golean, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/2 cup, 1 tsp PB

Meal Two: FF Yogurt, 1/4 cup Oats, 1/2 banana

Meal Three: WW Pita, 2oz Tuna

Meal Four: 2oz Tuna, 1/4 cup oats, 1/2 tbsp PB, 1/2 banana

Meal Five: 3.5 oz chicken, 1/4 cup oats, 1/2 tbsp PB, 1 cup brocolli

Meal Six: 3 egg whites, FF Cheese, WW Tortilla

Total: 1334
Fat: 27 240 19%
Sat: 2 18 1%
Poly: 3 24 2%
Mono: 3 24 2%
Carbs: 176 556 44%
Fiber: 37 0 0%
Protein: 120 478 38%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%


Hope I get to the gym tonight! Will be 30min Cardio and Bi/Tri.

[VanillaBean_21]

Bi/Tri

Hammer Curls 2x16-15lbs 1x10-20lbs
BB Curl 2x10-30lbs 1x10-40lbs
Concentrated Curl 3x12 15lbs

Kickbacks 3x10 15lbs
Rope Pulldown 4x8 30lbs
Overhead extention 2x8-15lbs

30Min cardio- Stairmaster

[VanillaBean_21]

I know I shouldn't but I feel like crap since I have been eating more protein.I don't know why but I do. :( I feel so down when I do not stick to the diet I plan so it is my goal for tomarrow to stick to this and not change anything.

Meal One:1/2 cup oats, 1/4 cup Fiber One, 1/4 cup Golean, 1/4 cup Crunch, 1/2 cup

Meal Two: 2oz Tuna, WW Pita, FF Yogurt

Meal Three: 2oz Tuna, 1/4 cup Oats, Davinci

Meal Four: 3.5oz Chicken, 1/2 tbsp PB, 1/4 cup Oats, 1/2 cup green beans

Meal Five: 3 egg whites, WW Tortilla, 1 slice FF Cheese

Meal Six: 1 tsp Pb, 1/2 cup LF Cottage Cheese

Total: 1176
Fat: 19 174 16%
Sat: 2 21 2%
Poly: 2 19 2%
Mono: 2 22 2%
Carbs: 140 427 38%
Fiber: 33 0 0%
Protein: 129 515 46%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%

[Ravenous_T]

What happened with the doctor and your thyroid tests Heather?

[VanillaBean_21]

What happened with the doctor and your thyroid tests Heather?

I posted my results from the first one. I haven't had the time to goto the doc to get the second set of tests done.

[VanillaBean_21]

OMG! I have been hungry all day. I eat and I'm still hungry. I feel like eating everything in sight! During my last 2 periods of the day, I had a hard time keeping awake. I must not be getting enough sleep or something.

[Ravenous_T]

OMG! I have been hungry all day. I eat and I'm still hungry. I feel like eating everything in sight! During my last 2 periods of the day, I had a hard time keeping awake. I must not be getting enough sleep or something.

You are hungry and tired because you need to eat. You posted under 1200 cals in your last menu - which is completely unacceptable.

[VanillaBean_21]

You are hungry and tired because you need to eat. You posted under 1200 cals in your last menu - which is completely unacceptable.

I changed a couple things so now it is over 1200. Add 1 tbsp more PB(1/2 in morning, 1/2 in afternoon).


Now it's:
Total: 1276
Fat: 27 246 20%
Sat: 2 21 2%
Poly: 2 19 2%
Mono: 2 22 2%
Carbs: 143 439 36%
Fiber: 33 0 0%
Protein: 133 533 44%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%

[VanillaBean_21]

Don't know if I am going to get to the gym tonight. Its pouring out and my sister is not home so Im not sure how I am going to get there. :(

[zb2612]

I changed a couple things so now it is over 1200. Add 1 tbsp more PB(1/2 in morning, 1/2 in afternoon).


Now it's:
Total: 1276
Fat: 27 246 20%
Sat: 2 21 2%
Poly: 2 19 2%
Mono: 2 22 2%
Carbs: 143 439 36%
Fiber: 33 0 0%
Protein: 133 533 44%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%


what you really have to decide on heather us what do you want to achieve? muscle? because at the moment on the calorie intake nothing much will be happening your body needs 1300 cals a day atleast in order to just keep itself ticking over doing all its vital processes like respiration etc and even concentrating on things. and no wonder you were tired if that was all the cals you were taking in. iam affraid that if you don't change your diet you really will go down the eating disorder slope and you are unfortunatley starting to show that sort of behaviour which is sad because its a horrible thing to go through. and remember you don't need to exercise every day either otherwise it becomes ineffective and you don't what that. but yes seriously what are you actually trying to acheive from all of this ?

Zoe
xxxx

[VanillaBean_21]

what you really have to decide on heather us what do you want to achieve? muscle? because at the moment on the calorie intake nothing much will be happening your body needs 1300 cals a day atleast in order to just keep itself ticking over doing all its vital processes like respiration etc and even concentrating on things. and no wonder you were tired if that was all the cals you were taking in. iam affraid that if you don't change your diet you really will go down the eating disorder slope and you are unfortunatley starting to show that sort of behaviour which is sad because its a horrible thing to go through. and remember you don't need to exercise every day either otherwise it becomes ineffective and you don't what that. but yes seriously what are you actually trying to acheive from all of this ?

Zoe
xxxx

You know I dislike you. So why do you continue to ask me questions?

[zb2612]

i don't care if you like me or not but if you don't thats up to you i was just asking on the base of curiousity and wondering what goals you are trying to acheive whether you like me or not is nothing to do with it really! and besides you may not like me but some of us are concerned ?!!

Zoe
xxx

[VanillaBean_21]

i don't care if you like me or not but if you don't thats up to you i was just asking on the base of curiousity and wondering what goals you are trying to acheive whether you like me or not is nothing to do with it really! and besides you may not like me but some of us are concerned ?!!

Zoe
xxx


Well don't expect me to answer any of your questions.

[zb2612]

you are really taking an immature attitute with all of us. especially with you being a mother i thought you would have been a bit more mature but nevermind

Zoe
xxx

[VanillaBean_21]

you are really taking an immature attitute with all of us. especially with you being a mother i thought you would have been a bit more mature but nevermind

Zoe
xxx

Naw, I just don't like you. LOL I don't mind anyone else in here except you.

[zb2612]

Naw, I just don't like you. LOL I don't mind anyone else in here except you.

any particular reason lol !

[VanillaBean_21]

any particular reason lol !

Of course. But why should I tell you?

[zb2612]

Of course. But why should I tell you?


well there must be some great reason why you hate me and love everyone else ! lol oh and its highly amusing

zoe
xxx

[VanillaBean_21]

well there must be some great reason why you hate me and love everyone else ! lol oh and its highly amusing

zoe
xxx

Like I care if it's amusing? LMAO Just leave me alone. I don't need to tell you why I dislike you. You should have gotten the picture by now!

[zb2612]

Like I care if it's amusing? LMAO Just leave me alone. I don't need to tell you why I dislike you. You should have gotten the picture by now!


yes ive got a picture of someone who has an eating disorder who won't admit it and really needs to sort her head out and stop moaning and complaining about her diet because everyone is sick of hearing it !

get the picture iam seeing?


Zoe

[VanillaBean_21]

yes ive got a picture of someone who has an eating disorder who won't admit it and really needs to sort her head out and stop moaning and complaining about her diet because everyone is sick of hearing it !

get the picture iam seeing?


Zoe

Oh I'm so hurt..........Not. You think you know everything but you really don't.

[zb2612]

Oh I'm so hurt..........Not. You think you know everything but you really don't.



see there is the immature attitude right there. no i don't think i know evferything iam just picking things up from what ive been reading but hey its not me that will be in ED rehab soon is it ?

Zoe

[VanillaBean_21]

see there is the immature attitude right there. no i don't think i know evferything iam just picking things up from what ive been reading but hey its not me that will be in ED rehab soon is it ?

Zoe


Won't be me either. For one, I'd never even check myself into one of those stupid places. Plus, don't have an ED. Sorry!

[zb2612]

Won't be me either. For one, I'd never even check myself into one of those stupid places. Plus, don't have an ED. Sorry!


"stupid places" <- if you don't have an ED why are they stupid ? surely they would be beneficial for a person that had an ED if your seeing it from a normal point of view

[VanillaBean_21]

"stupid places" <- if you don't have an ED why are they stupid ? surely they would be beneficial for a person that had an ED if your seeing it from a normal point of view

Oh, so now I don't have a normal point of view? Gosh you should become a therapist! You just know everything about me! Holy!

[zb2612]

A normal persons point of view. and iam becoming a therapist!

[zb2612]

and by normal i mean not suffering with an ed

[VanillaBean_21]

A normal persons point of view. and iam becoming a therapist!

Hmm, no wonder I cannot stand you! Therapists think they know all about people and how they should act. They classify people as being "normal" and think if your not normal "Oh Gosh you got problems". Dealt without enough Therapy BS talk in my life, don't need it from you.

[zb2612]

see you presumed then i was becoming an ED therapist now that amused me! iam actually becoming a physiotherapist!

[VanillaBean_21]

see you presumed then i was becoming an ED therapist now that amused me! iam actually becoming a physiotherapist!

Never presumed what type you would become. Also, how would I know what a ED therapist does? Never been to one.

[zb2612]

Never presumed what type you would become. Also, how would I know what a ED therapist does? Never been to one.
yes but you have had enough therapy talks in order to know !

[krankyprincess]

i know this is big news to you, but everyone here thinks you don't eat enough, not just this guy (or girl). Apparently you cannot make yourself eat the bare minimum amount of calories an individual needs for proper function, so maybe some outside help is in order. There is no need to get defensive, just think about it.

[imperfectly_lou]

I changed a couple things so now it is over 1200. Add 1 tbsp more PB(1/2 in morning, 1/2 in afternoon).


Now it's:
Total: 1276
Fat: 27 246 20%
Sat: 2 21 2%
Poly: 2 19 2%
Mono: 2 22 2%
Carbs: 143 439 36%
Fiber: 33 0 0%
Protein: 133 533 44%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%

oh fantastic... that is soooooo much better *sarcasm*

[zb2612]

oh fantastic... that is soooooo much better *sarcasm*


great isn't it lou ;o)


Zoe
xxxx

[Ravenous_T]

Oh for god's sake Heather, this is getting ridiculous. How long have you been making the same mistakes over and over again and you still don't get it? You OBVIOUSLY have an eating disorder, and despite your outward denial towards it, the symtoms are blatant.You are on a bodybuilding board, yet your log is more suitable for a pro-ana site. Grow up, take some responsibility for your actions, and stop this weak and feable lifestyle you are living.

Second, no matter how much you may dislike someone, they have the full right to post in your log. This is a public forum, and you are putting your log on display to the entire internet. Just because someone rubs you the wrong way, doesn't mean that they are not allowed to post. If you do not want people making negitive comments, then post your self destruction in a private log, or better yet, stop with this **** lifestyle.

[VanillaBean_21]

i know this is big news to you, but everyone here thinks you don't eat enough, not just this guy (or girl). Apparently you cannot make yourself eat the bare minimum amount of calories an individual needs for proper function, so maybe some outside help is in order. There is no need to get defensive, just think about it.

No need to get defensive? When I am being accused of things that are not true then I am going to get defensive. I eat enough. I haven seen in journals on here where girls have eaten 1200 calories. Why is it such a big deal that I do?

[VanillaBean_21]

Oh for god's sake Heather, this is getting ridiculous. How long have you been making the same mistakes over and over again and you still don't get it? You OBVIOUSLY have an eating disorder, and despite your outward denial towards it, the symtoms are blatant.You are on a bodybuilding board, yet your log is more suitable for a pro-ana site. Grow up, take some responsibility for your actions, and stop this weak and feable lifestyle you are living.

Second, no matter how much you may dislike someone, they have the full right to post in your log. This is a public forum, and you are putting your log on display to the entire internet. Just because someone rubs you the wrong way, doesn't mean that they are not allowed to post. If you do not want people making negitive comments, then post your self destruction in a private log, or better yet, stop with this **** lifestyle.

I'm weak and feable, oh well, but I don't have an ED. Oh ok, so I am supposed to just stop and go back to how I ate before? I don't think so. I'd rather be like this then fat and eating like crap.

[zb2612]

Heather i think you should look at this


http://christianshost.com:8080/ramgen/users/chthinfo/jillian_stevens.rm

[zb2612]

think it looks nice :?


Zoe

[zb2612]

I'm weak and feable, oh well, but I don't have an ED. Oh ok, so I am supposed to just stop and go back to how I ate before? I don't think so. I'd rather be like this then fat and eating like crap.

Yes your supposed to enjoy life and besides your not really bodybuilding anyway just spreading your ana vibes around which is pathetic! may i suggest i ICQ anorexia forum for you !

Zoe
xxx

[Ravenous_T]

I'm weak and feable, oh well, but I don't have an ED. Oh ok, so I am supposed to just stop and go back to how I ate before? I don't think so. I'd rather be like this then fat and eating like crap.

I am absolutely finished replying to anything in your log. I sincerely hope that you get yourself some help and get your life in order. Until then, take care.


zb2612, now you're just acting like an ass. You have every right to be posting in this log, but you are being extremely rude and unhelpful. This is your right, but there are much more tactful ways to give out some "tough love" or advice.