Deserusan's ActivaTe Extreme, Thyrotabs, & Lean Xtreme Log/Review

[deserusan]

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Introduction

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Over the past few years I have grown a strong affinity towards Designer Supplements for numerous reasons. As you know, I respect science based formulation above all regardless of who markets the product and am drawn like a moth to a flame to innovation.

I’ll be honest, I’ve hung out with these guys and have even gotten pretty damn wasted with them. I’ve never song a duet with a man or rapped at a Japanese restaurant until we chilled at the Arnold Classic this past March. All in all, despite some friendly disagreements or flat out battles (lmao) I do see to eye to eye with the Designer crew and have all the respect in the world for them and the vision of their product line.

I decided to review the new ActivTte Xtreme and Lean Xtreme based on my confidence in Matt Cahill’s designs. I had the fortunate experience of meeting him and his wonderful wife Melissa a few weeks ago. Matt is one smart mother****er to put it bluntly and I trust his expertise as well the claims made for the products in his line.

As some of you know, I’m currently cutting to walk on stage this fall for my first natural bodybuilding show. I had a failed attempt last year after suffering a broken tailbone which greatly limited my leg training. Obviously, when making choices in supplementation at this point in my prep I’m not taking chances. I make my choices based on sound formulation and not the moronic broscience we see perpetuated daily that infests our forum community and defames the supplement industry’s image among the masses.

Fortunately, Designer Supplements has given me full reign to review this product which means I’ll be 100% honest. For some of you that know my history here, I don’t bull**** on reviews and if a product sucks or is mislabeled I’ll let it be known.

I’d like to thank both Designer Supplements and Gaspari Nutrition for sponsoring this log. I’d also like to thank Doug Miller from Core Nutritionals for granting me permission to review Core ABC as well. Just to quell any suspicions, all products were purchased by me except for those provided by Gaspari Nutrition and Designer Supplements.


Current Supplement Stack

Designer Supplements Lean Xtreme (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/design/design.htm)
Gaspari Nutrition Thyrotabs (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/gn/therm.html)
Designer Supplements ActivaTe Xtreme (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/design/activatex.html)
Twinlab Daily One without Iron (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/tl/daily.html)
Core Nutritionals ABC (please check this out) (http://www.physiquecompetitor.com/Core/Products.htm)
Gaspari Nutrition SizeON (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/gn/size.html)
Unique Nutrition Piracetam Powder (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/uniq/piracetam.html)



Diet

At present I’m following a modified carb cycling nutritional protocol. Essentially, on off days I’m eating about 2600 calories with no carbs, two days I’m eating really low carbs (120 grams) at around 3200 calories, and two moderate days (200 grams) at around 3000 calories. Yes, there is a rhyme and reason for this but unfortunately I won’t be posting the exact meal layout but will be posting my macro break down to assist any of you interested.

Here is my shopping list and the only foods I keep in my house:

Chicken
Tilapia
Eggs
Beef Tenderloin
Spinach
Broccoli
Trader Joe’s Cashew & Macadamia Nut Butter
Raw Almonds
Diet Dr. Pepper
Crystal Lite
Starbuck’s Coffee
Quaker Oats


Training Protocol

At present I am training by instinct. I don’t plan my workouts before getting to the gym and only stick to my training split. Some days you will see some heavy power lifting others you will see insane giant set shock training. I keep it loose and listen to what my body is telling me. Since recovery is limited I do what my body tells me but I assure you I am giving 110% every day.

As far as cardio is concerned, I am only doing 1 hour of brisk walking in the mornings. I might add some occasional HIT sessions post workout to up the metabolism a bit but I don’t follow anything strict. Once again, I listen to my body.


Current training split:

Day 1: .................................................. .....................Quads, hams, calves
Day 2: .................................................. ......................Chest, Triceps, Abs
Day 3: .................................................. ................................................Of f
Day 4. .................................................. .............................Back, Bi's, Abs
Day 5: .................................................. ...................Quads, Hams, Calves
Day 6 : Shoulders, Upperback/Traps, Arms (3 sets each supersetted)
Day 7: .................................................. ................................................Of f


Rules for My Log

There are none. I gladly invite anyone to ask any variety of questions because I do like these logs to be educational. You can spam, joke around, or give me advice. Just don’t be a punk.


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[Mr.Farang]

Subscribed! No doubt!

[uhockey]

Yawn. ;)

I guess I'll follow.

[Skull Crusher Chris]

Looking great Des! Scribed for sure:cool:

[dvsness]

Biggest banner award? Or was that the only excuse you could come up with for posting a big pic of yourself every day? :p

[naturalguy]

That is one angry looking dude



The Core ABC looks to be a great formula, bye bye Purple stuff :)

[40-Yard Dash_2]

Count me in.

[niiick]

looking forward to this one.

[redhawk76]

Trader Joe?s Cashew & Macadamia Nut Butter


That cashew butter is good stuff, have you tried their almond butter?


Traps are lookin huge in the banner, good luck with this log.

[teenage_guru]

how do you subscribe?

[nni]

you look backed up in that picture, maybe more fiber?

:D

[TexAss]

you look backed up in that picture, maybe more fiber?

:D

LOL






p.s. good start to the log, I'm sure it'll be a zoo ;)

[smssambear19]

Hey Des, I'll definitely be following along for this one. The Activate Xtreme looked like a great formula. I was certainly curious about this one. I plan on giving this one a run sometime. For the record, I like DS myself...their science doesn't seem like marketing jargon to cover up lack of actual quality. DS makes supps that work and are backed by credible scientific sources and knowledge. Good luck on this one bud....I'll be paying attention.

[cy6ex]

how do you subscribe?


For somebody with more than a thousand posts in here, are you serious?!


It's on top of the thread "Thread Tool".


Subscribed!

[naturalguy]

how do you subscribe?

you just did :)

[nni]

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[dbc5]

Awsome, Im in on this for sure. Great start already.

[Elliptical Envy]

I can't believe I am up this early checking out your log. :) Good looking out on the info about the Core ABC I'll check into that later on.

Sub'd and all that good stuff.

[MattyH7688]

curious how the man, the myth, the legend does it.. sub'd

[Beejis60]

Subscribed! No doubt!

Since my dad is here, I'll join :)

[Zachattack43]

woot woot, Zach's is DA HOUSE!

[Big_Tom(tk)]

I will be following this one for sure!! Good Luck and Great Start!!

[boyscouT]

Any attempts to derail any logs will not be tolerated. Please be courteous of your fellow members and follow the rules. Thanks in advance.

[Sldge]

I'm in and thanks for the vote of confidence!

[EricTheRed]

good luck big guy

[Monsterblade]

I'm in!!!

[BiGToMCaT28]

Core Nutritionals ABC is a great value at around 45 dollars.
It def blows Xtend and ICE away as far as ingredients and value.
Hows it taste Des?

[Sldge]

Des whats your weight at?

[NoNameNecessary]

Des's logs never fail to deliver - I'll be following.

[Nailbomb9]

Why legs twice a week Des?

[deserusan]

Des whats your weight at?

228-230lbs


Why legs twice a week Des?

They can handle it! They were also a weak point for awhile.


Core Nutritionals ABC is a great value at around 45 dollars.
It def blows Xtend and ICE away as far as ingredients and value.
Hows it taste Des?

It tastes excellent and mixes very well. I know bb.com will be picking it up soon.

[uhockey]

I dig the honest approach, big time. Here's hoping you dig the product.

[NoNameNecessary]

It tastes excellent and mixes very well. I know bb.com will be picking it up soon.

What flavor are you using Des?

The product looks very attractive, especially at that price.

[deserusan]

What flavor are you using Des?

The product looks very attractive, especially at that price.

I think it only comes in grape but it is damn good for a BCAA product.

[dbc5]

Hey man, quick question about the Core Nutritionals ABC. I know that the serving size of 2 scoops has 10 grams of BCAAs. Do you just use 2 scoops or do you use a larger serving to get more BCAAs? It looks like an awsome product and a tremendous value. I just wondered about the serving size you were using.

[saku]

this looks like it will be one exciting log. Im in.

[deserusan]

Hey man, quick question about the Core Nutritionals ABC. I know that the serving size of 2 scoops has 10 grams of BCAAs. Do you just use 2 scoops or do you use a larger serving to get more BCAAs? It looks like an awsome product and a tremendous value. I just wondered about the serving size you were using.

Just a single serving. In all honesty, I bought the lie that megadosing BCAA's was beneficial and its not.

[EricTheRed]

Just a single serving. In all honesty, I bought the lie that megadosing BCAA's was beneficial and its not.

so true

[deserusan]

I'd just tried quoting everyone to say thanks for subscribing but there was too much flamboyant smiley thingamajigs. Anyway, this should be a good log.

It looks like my loyal downraters are stopping by. This is for you guys!

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[lionelxxl]

came in to a thread at only 3 stars!!??? Me just bumped it up with a 5star vote. Nice to see it at 4 now...

ANYWAY, nice log dan. Honestly, i was a little freaked up by the 'beast' on the first page's first post.. damn!!!

[AtownKing187]

WTF des...thanks for sending me the memo...i almost missed this! :mad:

[deserusan]

ANYWAY, nice log dan. Honestly, i was a little freaked up by the 'beast' on the first page's first post.. damn!!!

I'm actually a pussy cat. Stroke me and I purr (no homo). :eek::p


WTF des...thanks for sending me the memo...i almost missed this! :mad:

Sorry mang. This douche bag isn't doing his job! :D

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[AtownKing187]

Any attempts to derail any logs will not be tolerated. Please be courteous of your fellow members and follow the rules. Thanks in advance.

This made me go WTF? :confused:

[deserusan]

This made me go WTF? :confused:

I think there was someone starting crap in here today. I wasn't around though.

[AtownKing187]

I think there was someone starting crap in here today. I wasn't around though.

Now who would wanna do that Dan :rolleyes: :D
Have you received all of your stuff for this log yet? Or are you still waiting for some stuff to come in?

[uhockey]

I downrated your log. ;) Oh, wait, nope......I'm not a douchebag.

[deserusan]

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The Daily Essential Cardio Selection

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The Workout: 8.6 out of 10.0

*60 minutes fasted walking upon waking

**Warm up sets are not included

Biangular Pulldowns: 250lbs x 12 drop 160lbs x 10, 250lbs x 12 drop 160lbs x 10

Barbell Rows (underhand grip): 225lbs x 10, 225lbs x 10

Rope Pull Downs: 200lbs x 10, 200lbs x 10, 200lbs x 10

Rack Pulls: 405lbs x 10, 405lbs x 10, 405lbs x 10

superset w/

Dumbell Pullovers: 90lbs x 10, 90lbs x 10, 90lbs x 10

Dumbell Rows: 100lb'ers 10/10, 100lb'ers x 10/10

Reverse Cambered Bar Curls: 95lbs x 12, 95lbs x 12

Close Grip Cable Curls: 120lbs x 10, 120lbs x 10

Single Arm Hammer Cable Curls: 60lbs x 10/10, 60lbs x 10/10

Decline Sit Up: 45lbs + BW x 20 x 6

Daily Macronutrients

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Discussion

OMFG it was the first day and I didn't notice anything!!! WTF! LOL..no **** sherlock. Most supplements in this genre you aren't supposed to feel any real effects the first day. If you do its called placebo or more commonly known here as BROCEBO.

Since I don't have much to be negative about today or positive for that matter I'll show you my basic diet set up and how I'll be taking my supplements.

Meal 1: Protein

Meal 2: Protien + Carbs
Supps: 1 Thyrotab, 1 Lean Xtreme, 2 ActivaTe, 1 Twinlab Daily One

Meal 3: Protien + Fat

Meal 4: Protein + Fat
Supps: 1 Thyrotab, 1 Lean Xtreme, 2 ActivaTe

Meal 5: SizeON + Core ABC

Meal 6: Protein + Fat

Meal 7: Protein + Carbs
Supps: 1 Thyrotab, 1 Lean Xtreme, 2 ActivaTe

Meal 8: Protein + Fat

I should probably mention a lot of the carb I'm getting are from vegetable/nut sources. I am counting them in my totals. Since I am very carb sensitive I feel this approach is best for my which could quite obviously not be for you. While carbs aren't listed with every meal there a just a few.

Meal 1 is essentially just a scoop of protein powder before cardio. Since it is a long session I do this just get something in my system to attenuate any potential catabolism that set in during the night. I really am a natural and just don't say so to market my supplements I need to be careful about burning up too much muscle so truly fasted cardio is out of the question for me.


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[NoNameNecessary]

I think it only comes in grape but it is damn good for a BCAA product.

Very nice.

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I'll definitely have to give it a try.


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The Daily Essential Cardio Selection

LdCbXX5DT8g


The Workout: 8.6 out of 10.0

*60 minutes fasted walking upon waking

**Warm up sets are not included

Biangular Pulldowns: 250lbs x 12 drop 160lbs x 10, 250lbs x 12 drop 160lbs 10

Barbell Rows (underhand grip): 225lbs x 10, 225lbs x 10

Rope Pull Downs: 200lbs x 10, 200lbs x 10, 200lbs x 10

Rack Pulls: 405lbs x 10, 405lbs x 10, 405lbs x 10

superset w/

Dumbell Pullovers: 90lbs x 10, 90lbs x 10, 90lbs x 10

Dumbell Rows: 100lb'ers 10/10, 100lb'ers x 10/10

Reverse Cambered Bar Curls: 95lbs x 12, 95lbs x 12

Close Grip Cable Curls: 120lbs x 10, 120lbs x 10

Single Arm Hammer Cable Curls: 60lbs x 10/10, 60lbs x 10/10

Daily Macronutrients

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Discussion

in a minute

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Great workout - look forward to reading the discussion.

[deserusan]

That cashew butter is good stuff, have you tried their almond butter?


Yes I have. It seems a little bland for me. I really can't wait to actually enjoy some the great food Trader Joe's has when this diet is over. I miss junk food.

[Mr.Farang]

Yes I have. It seems a little bland for me. I really can't wait to actually enjoy some the great food Trader Joe's has when this diet is over. I miss junk food.

:mad: You make me think of my pork lard based chinese food. yes, we Malaysians love pork lard. my related families swear by eating pork lard based cooking. without it, they simply throw away those food.

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:D

[AtownKing187]

Psh,i was hoping for some science to discuss...way to disappoint me des!!!!!

[smssambear19]

J/K bro....We don't want to hear about any brocebo effects, especially from a top respected member...lol. BTW...kick ass workout man, I really like how you switch it up, not only routine wise, but during each workout. It might be something I try myself because it looks interesting. As far as effects go....I don't expect to hear anything on that end until about after 10 days to 2 weeks and that could possibly be premature, but everyone is different so lets see how it rolls for you.

[cervasa1977]

Always love your logs and can't wait to see how this works for you diff a product that I want to try out

[redhawk76]

Yes I have. It seems a little bland for me. I really can't wait to actually enjoy some the great food Trader Joe's has when this diet is over. I miss junk food.

Interesting, I thought it was very flavorful, and found the cashew butter somewhat bland.

I gotta try the cash/maca blend though.

[Beejis60]

This made me go WTF? :confused:

That made me yawn....

[dvsness]

I'm not a douchebag.

Liar, liar pants on fire.

[nni]

Liar, liar pants on fire.

haha!

[deserusan]

Interesting, I thought it was very flavorful, and found the cashew butter somewhat bland.

I gotta try the cash/maca blend though.

The cashew by itself is pretty bland. Mixing it with the other nut helps. lol

[Kernkraft]

Yes I have. It seems a little bland for me. I really can't wait to actually enjoy some the great food Trader Joe's has when this diet is over. I miss junk food.

Am I late? Per your 'butter' issue; check out at Trader Joe's Sunflower Seed Butter... delicious, much cheaper than almond butter, and perfect to fit the macros you're looking for (same ones you set me up with). Also if bland taste etc is an issue for you with your meals check out Walden Farms zero calorie dressings and bbq sauces.

As for your log. The Core products (checked out the site) look very solid all around and ABC definitely raised an eyebrow but I'm curious to find out how you'd feel about taking something like that during workout as opposed to myself where I've read you're supposed to take something like beta alanine pre and post and I take something like xtend during my workout.

Subbed and a solid 5 stars as always.

PS. What's with the dumbbell pullovers thrown into that workout? Just curious.

[JHICKS3301]

I'm along for the ride

[uhockey]

Trader Joes sells no junkfood.

Ness, go to hell. :)

[deserusan]

Trader Joes sells no junkfood.

Ness, go to hell. :)

It's sad but I consider wheat junk food!!!

[Kernkraft]

Trader Joes sells no junkfood.

Ness, go to hell. :)

You ever eat some of those sweet potato chips or baked snap peas crisps from there? I can go through a whole bag of those pronto!

[niiick]

and here i was forgetting to rate your log .... 5stars brah.

[warbird00]

in

[warbird00]

did you ever do that write up about how AA and MP work synergeticall together?
JW

[deserusan]

did you ever do that write up about how AA and MP work synergeticall together?
JW

Nah but I posted it here awhile back:


Yes they (AA + TA) would. It appears exogenous AA activates PPAR alpha as does tetradecylthioacetic acid. This could explain why their is a drop in BF% for some people using X Factor...I could be wrong though, but probably not. :)

(concering conflicts)

You might think this because tetradecylthioacetic acid has shown to drop levels of gamma linoleic acid which is an AA precursor. However, it also raises dihomo-gamma-linoleic acid which is also a precursor to AA. Keep in mind tetradecylthioacetic acid increases both delta 5 and delta 6 desaturases which catalyze AA. Since both the rate determining desaturases and intermediate are increased I think it's safe to say TTA actually increases AA endogenously at least in rats.

In essense, it might be wise to start with a low dose of AA if wanting to use TTA because TTA will also increase both mitochondrial and peroxisomal beta-oxidation which would include omega threes. This obviously would enhance the effects of AA as well.

More and more I'm impressed with tetradecylthioacetic acid with every study I read. Hopefully, it's not turned into a drug so we can enjoy it in our supplements without a perscription.



You can read the full text study from Artherosclerosis, Thrombosis, and Vascular Biology and easily discern that tetradecylthioacetic acid will not interfere with cyclooxygenase which is why some compounds with both antioxidant AND anti-inflammatory are to be avoided. If anything the synergy between TTA and AA will be strong.

http://atvb.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/25/7/1364

Dyroy E, Yndestad A, Ueland T, Halvorsen B, Damas JK, Aukrust P, Berge RK. Antiinflammatory effects of tetradecylthioacetic acid involve both peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor alpha-dependent and -independent pathways. Arterioscler Thromb Vasc Biol. 2005 Jul;25(7):1364-9. Epub 2005 May 26.

[ncangey0513]

Was your opening photo taken in the pyramids of Egypt? :D Subscribed! Stuff seems to be the real deal so far.

[deserusan]

Was your opening photo taken in the pyramids of Egypt? :D Subscribed! Stuff seems to be the real deal so far.

You know what's funny is I barely do any shrug work anymore. I do train my traps but only trying to hit the lower fibers orinating from the inferior medial insertion. Just doing deadlifts/rack pulls keeps them large. I wish other muscle groups responded so well.

[warbird00]

Nah but I posted it here awhile back:

thanks. Yeah, on your other log you kept saying you were gonna post it but i guess i just missed it ;p

[ncangey0513]

You know what's funny is I barely do any shrug work anymore. I do train my traps but only trying to hit the lower fibers orinating from the inferior medial insertion. Just doing deadlifts/rack pulls keeps them large. I wish other muscle groups responded so well.

I wish I could GET my traps to respond to something. I usually hit them with BB and DB shrugs, and follow it up with upright rows. They just won't seem to get bigger. I could show you a pic to display what I mean, but I don't want to start throwing pics around in your log. Any tips?

[deserusan]

I wish I could GET my traps to respond to something. I usually hit them with BB and DB shrugs, and follow it up with upright rows. They just won't seem to get bigger. I could show you a pic to display what I mean, but I don't want to start throwing pics around in your log. Any tips?

One mistake I see people doing is rolling their shoulders. One good technique I recommend is to lean your head forward a bit so you can get a tighter contraction when shrugging straight up and down.

I also noticed that some feel you need to pound these with heavy weights which usually leads to low volume training. I always suggest for those with lagging traps to up the volume. I great method is dropsetting your highest weight with dumbells all the way down to let's say 20lbs. Here's an example:


100lb'ers x 12

drop

90lb'ers x 12

drop

80lb'ers x failure

drop

70lb'ers x failure

drop

60lb'ers x failure

etc, etc, etc

That will surely stimulate the muscle and put the hurt on you. :)

[J2jud]

PISS! I never could find your log until now! Well, atleast it's not on page 20 already! I just hit you with a "sub'd!"

[Free Weight Friedel]

Des, nice log and stack!!! Subbed!!

[ncangey0513]

One mistake I see people doing is rolling their shoulders. One good technique I recommend is to lean your head forward a bit so you can get a tighter contraction when shrugging straight up and down.

I also noticed that some feel you need to pound these with heavy weights which usually leads to low volume training. I always suggest for those with lagging traps to up the volume. I great method is dropsetting your highest weight with dumbells all the way down to let's say 20lbs.

Welp, there's the problem. I always roll them, and I'm not sure where I picked up the habit. Also, do you recommend letting the weight hang down as low as possible. i.e., almost leaning forward so you get maximum stretch, or not? I love me some dropsets, and I have traps tomorrow, so I'll definitely give the almost run the rack routine a try on 'em. Thanks, bro :D

[deserusan]

Welp, there's the problem. I always roll them, and I'm not sure where I picked up the habit. Also, do you recommend letting the weight hang down as low as possible. i.e., almost leaning forward so you get maximum stretch, or not? I love me some dropsets, and I have traps tomorrow, so I'll definitely give the almost run the rack routine a try on 'em. Thanks, bro :D

I lean over slightly and do get a full stretch on the negative. I also recommend not keeping your arms straight using dumbells and as you contract up to bend your elbows a bit to force more of a contraction. It helps stimulate more of the lower fibers too. Running the rack is fun but pretty harsh. Have fun. :)

[Kernkraft]

I always scratch my head when I see people rolling their shoulders. Try seated heavy dumbbell shrugs also ncangey... they'll stretch the hell out of your traps and you can't cheat.

[Free Weight Friedel]

It tastes excellent and mixes very well. I know bb.com will be picking it up soon.


Core ABC is now on BB.com

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/core/abc.html

[deserusan]

Core ABC is now on BB.com

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/core/abc.html

Your Piractem is pretty cool by the way. I just took teaspoon about 45 minutes ago and am in the zone like I'm on adderall/ritalin. :D

[Mr.Farang]

One mistake I see people doing is rolling their shoulders. One good technique I recommend is to lean your head forward a bit so you can get a tighter contraction when shrugging straight up and down.

I also noticed that some feel you need to pound these with heavy weights which usually leads to low volume training. I always suggest for those with lagging traps to up the volume. I great method is dropsetting your highest weight with dumbells all the way down to let's say 20lbs. Here's an example:


100lb'ers x 12

drop

90lb'ers x 12

drop

80lb'ers x failure

drop

70lb'ers x failure

drop

60lb'ers x failure

etc, etc, etc

That will surely stimulate the muscle and put the hurt on you. :)



A+ recommendation!

[Free Weight Friedel]

Your Piractem is pretty cool by the way. I just took teaspoon about 45 minutes ago and am in the zone like I'm on adderall/ritalin. :D

Thanks Des!!! Yeah it is pretty awesome! I'm taking 12 g a day(4g caps x 3 times with 1 Centro) and it keeps me focused on what I am doing.

[deserusan]

Thanks Des!!! Yeah it is pretty awesome! I'm taking 12 g a day(4g x 3 times with 1 Centro) and it keeps me focused on what I am doing.

I'll probably throw it in my morning coffee just to kick start my day and maybe some preworkout too. I like it. :)

[Free Weight Friedel]

I'll probably throw it in my morning coffee just to kick start my day and maybe some preworkout too. I like it. :)

I don't know how it will taste in coffee. Envy & Steve (UN) mixed it with OJ to help hide the taste. You could probably mix it with Crystal Light and see how it tastes.

[deserusan]

I don't know how it will taste in coffee. Envy & Steve (UN) mixed it with OJ to help hide the taste. You could probably mix it with Crystal Light and see how it tastes.

Ha...it doesn't taste too good but I slam my coffee anyway.

[uhockey]

Add Hup A to the piracetam for a real treat. :)

I've never tried pharm grade stims, but a couple caps of our new stim has a feel VERY similar to Scorch + Hup A + Piracetam, even though the ingredients are vastly different.

Good info on the shrugs too, may have to switch things up a bit when I've got more time to do more than maintenance work.

[TexAss]

Des, ever tried power shrugs?

My traps grew well using hang cleans and deads.

[EricTheRed]

Every try supersetting Deadlifts and shruggs, its fun

[Lightning3]

Hey Des, I don't want to hijack your thread but I saw you recommend the new Core ABC product which looks awesome btw. How do you feel it compares to Purple Wraath in terms of it effectiveness and ingredient profile?

[deserusan]

Hey Des, I don't want to hijack your thread but I saw you recommend the new Core ABC product which looks awesome btw. How do you feel it compares to Purple Wraath in terms of it effectiveness and ingredient profile?

EAA's have their place in nutrition except for supplemental EAA formulas are ALL incomplete lacking tryptophan. Now when you really get down to what you need it is primarily BCAA's and not EAA's while you workout. Most of the studies using EAA's also used carbs as well and how many EAA formulas have carbs?

The purpose of using BCAA's while you workout and by far the most effective reasoning in doing so is because of BCAA oxidation. They are proven beneficial for decreasing exercise-induced muscle damage and promoting muscle-protein synthesis.

EAA formulas that contain arginine and lack tryptophan are laughable. Why? Arginine is only considered an EAA in infants and toddlers as it is conditional based on age. Therefore anyone including it in an adult formula is a ****ing idiot.

Frankly, CORE has what you need, tastes good, is dosed correctly, and let's you know exactly how much BCAA's you are getting. The one thing people don't get is that megadosing can cause gluconeogenesis. That's not good while you are trying to cut.

[saku]

EAA's have their place in nutrition except for supplemental EAA formulas are ALL incomplete lacking tryptophan. Now when you really get down to what you need it is primarily BCAA's and not EAA's while you workout. Most of the studies using EAA's also used carbs as well and how many EAA formulas have carbs?

The purpose of using BCAA's while you workout and by far the most effective reasoning in doing so is because of BCAA oxidation. They are proven beneficial for decreasing exercise-induced muscle damage and promoting muscle-protein synthesis.

EAA formulas that contain arginine and lack tryptophan are laughable. Why? Arginine is only considered an EAA in infants and toddlers as it is conditional based on age. Therefore anyone including it in an adult formula is a ****ing idiot.

Frankly, CORE has what you need, tastes good, is dosed correctly, and let's you know exactly how much BCAA's you are getting. The one thing people don't get is that megadosing can cause gluconeogenesis. That's not good while you are trying to cut.


damn, what is your defintion of ''megadosing''? I guess iv been taking WAY too much, becaues I was taking roughly 25g Leucine, 9g Isoleucine, and 9g valine. ( 4 scoops xtend + one scoop primal EAA + 5g bulk leucine. and they were always heaping scoops.) I would mix it in a 2L bottle take that per durring and post workout. What dosing would you recomend for a bodyweight of roughly 150lb?

[deserusan]

damn, what is your defintion of ''megadosing''? I guess iv been taking WAY too much, becaues I was taking roughly 25g Leucine, 9g Isoleucine, and 9g valine. ( 4 scoops xtend + one scoop primal EAA + 5g bulk leucine. and they were always heaping scoops.) I would mix it in a 2L bottle take that per durring and post workout. What dosing would you recomend for a bodyweight of roughly 150lb?

I take 15 grams tops @ 230lbs. For you not over 10 grams.

[youngblood123]

Ill be checking this log weekly, as usual posting music I love myself, keeping thing's hot, im into multiple genres too.

For a sec when the image finished loading I thought that was the green hulk with a black/white grayscale.

[uhockey]

This core **** is getting distracting....

[Lightning3]

i think des has convinced me to try it out for my preseason training for track which has just begun

[deserusan]

This core **** is getting distracting....

Heh...we'll get into divanil. This is an 8 week log. ;)

[extremenergy3]

This core **** is getting distracting....

x2 lol

[ncangey0513]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=61946391#post61946391

Post #139, if you have time. The run the rack shrugs were brutal, but I LOVED them! Feelin' it already! :o Also, check out the Ab routine I posted in the next post and give me your thoughts on it. Wrote it up real quick, nothing fancy, but let me know your opinions on the style of training.

[deserusan]

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The Daily Essential Workout Selection

07pLGIgyfjw


The Workout: 9.4 out of 10.0

*60 minutes fasted walking upon waking

**Warm up sets are not included

Squats: 265lbs x 15, 265lbs x 15, 265lbs x 15

superset w/

45' Leg Presses: 450lbs x 10, 450lbs x 10, 450lbs x 10

superset w/

Walking Dumbell Lunges: 45lb'ers x 20 paces, 45lb'ers x 20 paces, 45lb'ers x 20 paces

superset w/

Lying Leg Curls: 180lbs x 12, 180lbs x 12, 180lbs x 12

superset w/

Leg Extensions: 200lbs x 15, 200lbs x 15, 200lbs x 15

superset w/

Walking Dumbell Lunges: 45lb'ers x 20, 45lb'ers x 20, 45lb'ers x 20

Hybrid Calf Training

Daily Macronutrients

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Discussion

The poundages may seem low but volume training like this is absolute torture. I really a lot of novice trainers don't know how to properly stimulate the legs and feel pounding them with heavy low rep training will make the grow. Here's some advice, if you can't do that and have your legs engorged with blood at the end of the workout you are doing something wrong. Most likely, not enough volume.

Now I don't mean just pump. I can't get pump running up a flight of stairs. I'm talking the type of blood volum that makes you walk like you have a stick up your ass (I don't have personal experience with this) because its hard to bend your at your knees. This is when your legs are throbbing fifteen minutes after you rack the weight after you last set.

As you probably know I'm a huge advocate of giant set training as a nice shock technique. I learned this following some of Milos Sarcev's training principles from bodybuilding.com's own FitShow. I dare you to try it but just make sure you have a puke bucket close buy and someone to spot you in case you pass out. I'm being serious.



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[smssambear19]

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The Daily Essential Workout Selection

07pLGIgyfjw


The Workout: 9.4 out of 10.0

*60 minutes fasted walking upon waking

**Warm up sets are not included

Squats: 265lbs x 15, 265lbs x 15, 265lbs x 15

superset w/

45' Leg Presses: 450lbs x 10, 450lbs x 10, 450lbs x 10

superset w/

Walking Dumbell Lunges: 45lb'ers x 20 paces, 45lb'ers x 20 paces, 45lb'ers x 20 paces

superset w/

Lying Leg Curls: 180lbs x 12, 180lbs x 12, 180lbs x 12

superset w/

Leg Extensions: 200lbs x 15, 200lbs x 15, 200lbs x 15

superset w/

Walking Dumbell Lunges: 45lb'ers x 20, 45lb'ers x 20, 45lb'ers x 20

Hybrid Calf Training

Daily Macronutrients

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Discussion

The poundages may seem low but volume training like this is absolute torture. I really a lot of novice trainers don't know how to properly stimulate the legs and feel pounding them with heavy low rep training will make the grow. Here's some advice, if you can't do that and have your legs engorged with blood at the end of the workout you are doing something wrong. Most likely, not enough volume.

Now I don't mean just pump. I can't get pump running up a flight of stairs. I'm talking the type of blood volum that makes you walk like you have a stick up your ass (I don't have personal experience with this) because its hard to bend your at your knees. This is when your legs are throbbing fifteen minutes after you rack the weight after you last set.

As you probably know I'm a huge advocate of giant set training as a nice shock technique. I learned this following some of Milos Sarcev's training principles from bodybuilding.com's own FitShow. I dare you to try it but just make sure you have a puke bucket close buy and someone to spot you in case you pass out. I'm being serious.



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LOL...your leg workout is really similar to mine, except for leg presses. I omit leg presses because I don't have a leg press machine...I work out alone in my basement. Anyway, your damn right that volume training is absolute torture, especially on leg day, add in some cardio after a hellacious high volume leg workout and in Dave Chappelle's words..."Your F*cking Done Son." I also second your notion that you might want to make sure you have a puke bucket near by when doing this type of training because it comes in handy. So tell me Des, after that leg workout, did it feel like your legs were stuck in quicksand and when they did move they felt like jello? High Volume Leg Training + Cardio does it to me everytime...lol.

[TexAss]

Heh...we'll get into divanil. This is an 8 week log. ;)

Sign me up for the 8 week log! Who do I need to talk to? ;)



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I dare you to try it but just make sure you have a puke bucket close buy and someone to spot you in case you pass out. I'm being serious.



That did indeed look brutal.

[dbc5]

Ridiculous workout man. Awsome job.

[Warneckutz]

Very Cool...

Awesome workout.

I've also never seen that TOOL video before, so even better!

Subscribed!!!

[Twin Peak]

Day 2, page 4? LOL. Hows contest prep coming? How many weeks out?

[livinonlava]

So in keeping with my usual habit of being fashionably late... I join after day 2. :)

I'm looking forward to seeing your response to the stack of ActivaTe + Lean Xtreme. I've been researching some supplements to assist with the final stage of the cut, and the LX is near the top of my list. Gaspari has a few (including those Thyrotabs) that interest me as well. Hopefully you'll be talking about these in the coming weeks as I'll be trying to make my decision by about 8 weeks out.

[Sldge]

I wish I could GET my traps to respond to something. I usually hit them with BB and DB shrugs, and follow it up with upright rows. They just won't seem to get bigger. I could show you a pic to display what I mean, but I don't want to start throwing pics around in your log. Any tips?

I would try switching from what ever it is youve been doing. when I was trying to get my traps bigger I switched from volume to heavy weights at lower reps (4-6 range). It helped with me.


Add Hup A to the piracetam for a real treat. :)

I've never tried pharm grade stims, but a couple caps of our new stim has a feel VERY similar to Scorch + Hup A + Piracetam, even though the ingredients are vastly different.
QUOTE]

Its funny that you said it because I was thinking the same thing. I tried out some UN Pir and Centro and it wasnt as good as our new stim but better then any other compounds by themselves. However the sulbutiamine does nothing for me at any dose or combo.

[QUOTE=deserusan;61833451]The one thing people don't get is that megadosing can cause gluconeogenesis. That's not good while you are trying to cut.

Something that almost everyone over looks.

[dirtydean12]

:eek: That leg workout=suicide!!

[Free Weight Friedel]

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The Daily Essential Workout Selection

07pLGIgyfjw


The Workout: 9.4 out of 10.0

*60 minutes fasted walking upon waking

**Warm up sets are not included

Squats: 265lbs x 15, 265lbs x 15, 265lbs x 15

superset w/

45' Leg Presses: 450lbs x 10, 450lbs x 10, 450lbs x 10

superset w/

Walking Dumbell Lunges: 45lb'ers x 20 paces, 45lb'ers x 20 paces, 45lb'ers x 20 paces

superset w/

Lying Leg Curls: 180lbs x 12, 180lbs x 12, 180lbs x 12

superset w/

Leg Extensions: 200lbs x 15, 200lbs x 15, 200lbs x 15

superset w/

Walking Dumbell Lunges: 45lb'ers x 20, 45lb'ers x 20, 45lb'ers x 20

Hybrid Calf Training

Daily Macronutrients

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/5645/newpictureeu8.png

Discussion

The poundages may seem low but volume training like this is absolute torture. I really a lot of novice trainers don't know how to properly stimulate the legs and feel pounding them with heavy low rep training will make the grow. Here's some advice, if you can't do that and have your legs engorged with blood at the end of the workout you are doing something wrong. Most likely, not enough volume.

Now I don't mean just pump. I can't get pump running up a flight of stairs. I'm talking the type of blood volum that makes you walk like you have a stick up your ass (I don't have personal experience with this) because its hard to bend your at your knees. This is when your legs are throbbing fifteen minutes after you rack the weight after you last set.

As you probably know I'm a huge advocate of giant set training as a nice shock technique. I learned this following some of Milos Sarcev's training principles from bodybuilding.com's own FitShow. I dare you to try it but just make sure you have a puke bucket close buy and someone to spot you in case you pass out. I'm being serious.



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:eek:

Holy Throbbing Legs!!! Nice insane workout!!! After 1 Superset, how long do you wait to do the next set??

[redvision]

Suscribed Des, thanks for helping and sharing your knowledge here!

Best of luck with your cut man!

Btw, whats the ideal macros you recommend while cutting using a diet similar to yours? And do you think 12-13 calories per pound of bw are a great range to work with?

Thanks again,

Red

EDIT: And btw, slight O/T but what's your take about using TTA while clean bulking to avoid as much fat deposit as possible? Any benefits? Thanks!

[dvsness]

slight O/T but what's your take about using TTA while clean bulking to avoid as much fat deposit as possible? Any benefits? Thanks!

There were some MP bulking logs you should check out. ;)

[40-Yard Dash_2]

Day 2 and already 4+ pages? :eek:

[bigla2004]

Des be careful, jayman might get you fired and you won't be able to finish your log ;)... lol i just wasted some of my life reading that guys thread. I think you purposely have to try to be that stupid.

[deserusan]

Des be careful, jayman might get you fired and you won't be able to finish your log ;)... lol i just wasted some of my life reading that guys thread. I think you purposely have to try to be that stupid.

I'm used to it and thanks for stopping by. :)

[uhockey]

Boredoms not a burden anyone should bare.....

[bigla2004]

ya des no problem, i just lurk all the threads and don't speak much. But since you have sound knowledge your log may carry a bit more weight

[deserusan]

Boredoms not a burden anyone should bare.....

LOL...I was in Chicago and Milwaukee all weekend. :D

[deserusan]

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The Essential Cruising The Gold Coast Selection

tnT7D18wADs


The Workout: 9.1 out of 10.0

*60 minutes fasted walking upon waking

**Warm up sets are not included

Flat Dumbell Press: 120lb'ers x 10, 120lb'ers x 10

superset w/

Flat Dumbell Press: 60lb'ers x failure, 60lb'ers x failure

Incline Hammer Strength Press: 6 plates x 10, 6 plates x 10

superset w/

Incline Barbell Bench: 135lbs x failure, 135lbs x failure

Cable Flyes: 60lbs (per side) x 20, 60lbs x 20, 60lbs x 20

Cable Extension: 12, 12, 12

superset w/

Overhead Rope Extensions: 12, 12, 12

superset w/

Dumbell Extensions: 12, 12, 12

superset w/

Bench Dips: failure, failure, failure

Daily Macronutrients

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Discussion

Despite low carbs and feeling consistently flat for most of the day I have noticed some increased vascularity and fullness since the second of starting ActivaTe. It's nothing to crazy but certainly something to note. Not being a vascular person by nature I certainly do notice when my forearm veins are popping throughout the day.

I spent the entire weekend eating out of tupperware while traveling around Lincoln Park and the Gold Coast. It's always a good time to get down there but it is truly terrible not being able to eat out. Chicago deep dish pizza is certainly a treat and I've always preferred Lou Malnati's over Gino's. This is just depressing talking about this as I look at two busted chicken boobies I'm about to eat for the third time today.

Anyway, I'm sorry about the short entry but other responsibilities are calling.

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[MattyH7688]

damn.. u workout early in the morning

[dvsness]

Boredoms not a burden anyone should bare.....

Or bear?

[deserusan]

Or bear?

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[Skull Crusher Chris]

http://www.prestonandsteve.com/pictures/3914.jpg

LMAO Gotta love the Shocker:eek:!

[dinoiii]

It's sad but I consider wheat junk food!!!

Not sad at all...some of us get it.

What's up man?


D_

[dam225]

This core **** is getting distracting....

Hey be nice. LOL.

[smssambear19]

[QUOTE=deserusan;62480031] I spent the entire weekend eating out of tupperware while traveling around Lincoln Park and the Gold Coast. It's always a good time to get down there but it is truly terrible not being able to eat out. Chicago deep dish pizza is certainly a treat and I've always preferred Lou Malnati's over Gino's. This is just depressing talking about this as I look at two busted chicken boobies I'm about to eat for the third time today.

Yeah, now that is really depressing....not being able to have some Chicago Style Deep Dish Pizza. Thats my favorite food to treat myself to...as my bodyspace says, it is my fav cheat food. However, I'm curious though Des....have you ever had some of Giordano's Chicago Style Pizza? Gino's is pretty good and Lou Malnati's is even better I'll agree, but Giordano's is my favorite....so if you haven't had it, when you get a chance try it out....I think it is the best Chicago Style Pizza IMO, but then again...to each their own.

BTW, solid chest workout there. You've got yourself pretty disciplined on that diet. You almost gotta be sorry for the chicken, knowing its being eaten out of spite and necessity and not enjoyment...lol.

Keep up the hard work there bud, it sounds like the Activate Xtreme is going to be a real kick ass product, since it appears its kicking in fast for you, albeit the effects are minor, but at least your still noticing something...thats always a good sign. Anyway, I'll be around....its getting hard to keep up....you just started the log and there are already 5 pages....damn popular much? LOL.

[deserusan]

Yeah, now that is really depressing....not being able to have some Chicago Style Deep Dish Pizza. Thats my favorite food to treat myself to...as my bodyspace says, it is my fav cheat food. However, I'm curious though Des....have you ever had some of Giordano's Chicago Style Pizza? Gino's is pretty good and Lou Malnati's is even better I'll agree, but Giordano's is my favorite....so if you haven't had it, when you get a chance try it out....I think it is the best Chicago Style Pizza IMO, but then again...to each their own.


I've had Giordano's and its pretty good too. It's something about the Malnati's sauce that really gets me though. Ha ha...I remember quite a few heated arguments among friends with regards to who had the better pizza: Giordano's or Lou Malnati's. Even a drunken fist fight once. :D

[Lightning3]

des i need your help in a thread, too bad you're a rep :(

[deserusan]

des i need your help in a thread, too bad you're a rep :(

Ask me question withouts naming products but actual ingredients and amounts. ;)

[Mr.Farang]

I've had Giordano's and its pretty good too. It's something about the Malnati's sauce that really gets me though. Ha ha...I remember quite a few heated arguments among friends with regards to who had the better pizza: Giordano's or Lou Malnati's. Even a drunken fist fight once. :D

WOw Des, giordano pizza? We have giordano clothings. :p

Seems like all the good food in America is around NorthEastern states? NY area?

[Kernkraft]

WOw Des, giordano pizza? We have giordano clothings. :p

Seems like all the good food in America is around NorthEastern states? NY area?

Well in terms of Pizza the argument is always NY style vs. Chicago... however I myself have never had deep dish pizza (ever). Neither authentic NY or Chicago. The best pizza I've ever had though is Sal's here in the Boston area hands down.

Edit - That chest and tri's workout looks like suicide.

[deserusan]

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The Essential Cardio by the Lake Selection

pMhS6CsdqJk


The Workout: 9.4 out of 10.0

*60 minutes fasted walking upon waking

**Warm up sets are not included

HammerStrength Shoulder Presses: 320lbs x 8, 320lbs x 8

superset w/

Dumbell Laterals: 35lb'ers x 12, 35lb'ers x 12

Single Arm FreeMotion Anterior Raises: 12/12, 12/12, 12/12

superset w/

Single Arm FreeMotion Lateral Raises: 12/12, 12/12, 12/12

Rear Delt Rows: 50lb'ers x 10, 50lb'ers x 10

superset w/

Reverse Pec Dec: 160lbs x 10, 160lbs x 10

superset w/

High Rope Pull: 120lbs x failure, 120lbs x failure

Seated Dumbell Curls: 40lb'ers x 10/10, 40lb'ers x 10/10

superset w/

Close Grip Cable Curls: 10, 10

superset w/

High Cable Curls: 10, 10


Daily Macronutrients

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Discussion

As mentioned before, I am noticing some definite increases in vasodilation. What's intriguing about the effect is that it is not isolated to just my training sessions but rather throughout the day. It's not intense by any means but it is certainly noticeable.

Before starting this log/review I just glanced over a bunch of icariin research but do now feel compelled to actually take a closer look.


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Icariin (i.e. Epimedium extract; Horny goat weed extract)

A functional pump so to speak is something I have been interested in quite a while because in case most of you don't know, high dose arginine based pumps aren't functional despite a few skewed studies which have recently been released (Campbell B et al. 2006, etc).

I wasn't expecting a heightened "pump" effect from this so beyond potential test boosting capabilities it is certainly welcomed and worth investigation. In case a lot of you don't know this, but I don't walk into many of these "reviews" knowing the detailed physiological mechanisms by which they work. I treat these as a learning experience and hope to ellucidate some of the highs or lows for you as well taking it one compound at a time.

Tomorrow night's homework will be reading the following:

Xu HB, Huang ZQ. Icariin enhances endothelial nitric-oxide synthase expression on human endothelial cells in vitro. Vascular Pharmacology. 2007 Jul;47(1):18-24. Epub 2007 Mar 24.

Xu HB, Huang ZQ.Vasorelaxant effects of icariin on isolated canine coronary artery. Journal of Cardiovascular Pharmacology. 2007 Apr;49(4):207-13

Ning H, Xin ZC, Lin G, Banie L, Lue TF, Lin CS.Effects of icariin on phosphodiesterase-5 activity in vitro and cyclic guanosine monophosphate level in cavernous smooth muscle cells. Urology. 2006 Dec;68(6):1350-4.

Jiang Z, Hu B, Wang J, Tang Q, Tan Y, Xiang J, Liu J. Effect of icariin on cyclic GMP levels and on the mRNA expression of cGMP-binding cGMP-specific phosphodiesterase (PDE5) in penile cavernosum. Journal of Huazhong University Science & Technology, Medical Science. 2006;26(4):460-2.

That should keep me busy for a bit. By the way, if any of you out there have access to the Asian Journal Andrology please let me know. It's one of the few journals I can't access.




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[smssambear19]

I've had Giordano's and its pretty good too. It's something about the Malnati's sauce that really gets me though. Ha ha...I remember quite a few heated arguments among friends with regards to who had the better pizza: Giordano's or Lou Malnati's. Even a drunken fist fight once. :D

Even a drunkern fist fight over the better pizza huh? Those are always fun....lol. I have to admit, I've been there myself...my buddies and I always bring it up because it is just one of those funny stories that never gets old. Its like wow we really fought over who had the better pizza....alcohol you sweet bitch. Hence the reason I don't drink too much anymore...lol. Cubs Game W/ your buddies = a great time. Drinking some Captain and brews W/ your buddies = good times W/ a lot trash talking. Fighting W/ buddies over the best Chicago Style Pizza= F'ing Priceless...lmao.

Funny that you say something about the Malnati's sauce...I think its amazing myself, but the crust of Giordano's wins me over...its good **** either way. Now back to actual bodybuilding talk...lol....don't want to get too far off topic.

[smssambear19]

Now that is one ingredient I plan on doing a lot more research on. I knew about the possible effects on vasodilation, but never heard anyone speak about it until you said something. Now a question I pose to you Des, have you heard anything about Icariin being similar to rhodiola rosea? I've read some things that compare the two that say they are related in an effectual sense...they both help increase a better sense of well being and help with endurance. However, I am more curious about knowing if Icariin is classified as an adaptogen like rhodiola rosea? Just wanted to know if you could shed some light on this....

[naturalguy]

I apologize if you mentioned it already but your morning cardio, is it done on a treadmill or outside? What intensity?

[deserusan]

I apologize if you mentioned it already but your morning cardio, is it done on a treadmill or outside? What intensity?

Outside on varying elevations at a brisk pace (pumping arms..lol). I'll be moving it inside on treadmill in a few weeks though.

[40-Yard Dash_2]

Outside on varying elevations at a brisk pace (pumping arms..while listening to Oliva Newton John's "Let's Get Physical!"). I'll be moving it inside on treadmill in a few weeks though.

Cool.

[nni]

look forward to your thoughts on icariin. good stuff on the prolonged pumps.

[naturalguy]

Outside on varying elevations at a brisk pace (pumping arms..lol). I'll be moving it inside on treadmill in a few weeks though.

Please don't start carrying chrome dumbells in hand :)

[dbc5]

Outside on varying elevations at a brisk pace (pumping arms..lol). I'll be moving it inside on treadmill in a few weeks though.

Whenever I can, I do my cardio sessions outside. I hate being on a treadmill and just starring at the same wall for an hour. When Im outside and constantly seeing new things, it makes it much more enjoyable. Stay outside as long as you can :).

[Sldge]

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The Essential Cardio by the Lake Selection

pMhS6CsdqJk


The Workout: 9.4 out of 10.0

*60 minutes fasted walking upon waking

**Warm up sets are not included

HammerStrength Shoulder Presses: 320lbs x 8, 320lbs x 8

superset w/

Dumbell Laterals: 35lb'ers x 12, 35lb'ers x 12

Single Arm FreeMotion Anterior Raises: 12/12, 12/12, 12/12

superset w/

Single Arm FreeMotion Lateral Raises: 12/12, 12/12, 12/12

Rear Delt Rows: 50lb'ers x 10, 50lb'ers x 10

superset w/

Reverse Pec Dec: 160lbs x 10, 160lbs x 10

superset w/

High Rope Pull: 120lbs x failure, 120lbs x failure

Seated Dumbell Curls: 40lb'ers x 10/10, 40lb'ers x 10/10

superset w/

Close Grip Cable Curls: 10, 10

superset w/

High Cable Curls: 10, 10


Daily Macronutrients

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Discussion

As mentioned before, I am noticing some definite increases in vasodilation. What's intriguing about the effect is that it is not isolated to just my training sessions but rather throughout the day. It's not intense by any means but it is certainly noticeable.

Before starting this log/review I just glanced over a bunch of icariin research but do now feel compelled to actually take a closer look.


http://www.chemblink.com/structures/489-32-7.gif
Icariin (i.e. Epimedium extract; Horny goat weed extract)

A functional pump so to speak is something I have been interested in quite a while because in case most of you don't know, high dose arginine based pumps aren't functional despite a few skewed studies which have recently been released (Campbell B et al. 2006, etc).

I wasn't expecting a heightened "pump" effect from this so beyond potential test boosting capabilities it is certainly welcomed and worth investigation. In case a lot of you don't know this, but I don't walk into many of these "reviews" knowing the detailed physiological mechanisms by which they work. I treat these as a learning experience and hope to ellucidate some of the highs or lows for you as well taking it one compound at a time.

Tomorrow night's homework will be reading the following:

Xu HB, Huang ZQ. Icariin enhances endothelial nitric-oxide synthase expression on human endothelial cells in vitro. Vascular Pharmacology. 2007 Jul;47(1):18-24. Epub 2007 Mar 24.

Xu HB, Huang ZQ.Vasorelaxant effects of icariin on isolated canine coronary artery. Journal of Cardiovascular Pharmacology. 2007 Apr;49(4):207-13

Ning H, Xin ZC, Lin G, Banie L, Lue TF, Lin CS.Effects of icariin on phosphodiesterase-5 activity in vitro and cyclic guanosine monophosphate level in cavernous smooth muscle cells. Urology. 2006 Dec;68(6):1350-4.

Jiang Z, Hu B, Wang J, Tang Q, Tan Y, Xiang J, Liu J. Effect of icariin on cyclic GMP levels and on the mRNA expression of cGMP-binding cGMP-specific phosphodiesterase (PDE5) in penile cavernosum. Journal of Huazhong University Science & Technology, Medical Science. 2006;26(4):460-2.

That should keep me busy for a bit. By the way, if any of you out there have access to the Asian Journal Andrology please let me know. It's one of the few journals I can't access.




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Email me with the link of which studies you want and I should be able to get them.


Now that is one ingredient I plan on doing a lot more research on. I knew about the possible effects on vasodilation, but never heard anyone speak about it until you said something. Now a question I pose to you Des, have you heard anything about Icariin being similar to rhodiola rosea? I've read some things that compare the two that say they are related in an effectual sense...they both help increase a better sense of well being and help with endurance. However, I am more curious about knowing if Icariin is classified as an adaptogen like rhodiola rosea? Just wanted to know if you could shed some light on this....

I never looked into Icariin for adaptogen properties. Ill have to go back through the studies and see if there is any mention of it. They are in the formula for 2 totally different effects. Icariin to mimic testosterone and increase sex drive and Rhodiola just as an adaptogen.

[extremenergy3]

Cool.

HAHAHAHAAH

[Amysangel]

I started reading your post and was drooling so badly over all the pizza talk.

You are looking amazing Des, keep it up! :D

[livinonlava]

Outside on varying elevations at a brisk pace (pumping arms..lol).


Please don't start carrying chrome dumbells in hand :)

Might I suggest...

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:D

[uhockey]

Pizza, core, and......ActivaTe Xtreme. ;)

I quite like Giordannos, but Pizzapapolis in Detroit is better......Chicago style broccoli and shrimp pizza owns.

[Elliptical Envy]

Pizza, core, and......ActivaTe Xtreme. ;)

I quite like Giordannos, but Pizzapapolis in Detroit is better......Chicago style broccoli and shrimp pizza owns.

Pizza Papolis is the ****! Even though I'm lactose intolerant I'll take one for the team and eat there every now and again.

[deserusan]

Pizza Papolis is the ****! Even though I'm lactose intolerant I'll take one for the team and eat there every now and again.

Take one for the team? It sounds like you'll subject the team to one or a few. :p

[Elliptical Envy]

Take one for the team? It sounds like you'll subject the team to one or a few. :p

The team doesn't want to be around me when I eat pizza. :)

[Bulk_Vanderhuge]

EAA formulas that contain arginine and lack tryptophan are laughable. Why? Arginine is only considered an EAA in infants and toddlers as it is conditional based on age. Therefore anyone including it in an adult formula is a ****ing idiot.


Don't want to highjack your thread, so I PM'd you a message on this. Maybe along with a Log thread you should posts a seperate log questions thread.

[deserusan]

Don't want to highjack your thread, so I PM'd you a message on this. Maybe along with a Log thread you should posts a seperate log questions thread.

I've thought about starting an ingredient panel thread. I'm sure it would stir up some drama fo sho! If you are having trouble following the log you can always check my blog which has all the same entries.

[Cable Curling CincoUno]

I've thought about starting an ingredient panel thread. I'm sure it would stir up some drama fo sho! If you are having trouble following the log you can always check my blog which has all the same entries.

that would be an awesome thread for sure

[deserusan]

What's up man?

D_

Not too much. I'm just trying to stay out of trouble these days.


Now that is one ingredient I plan on doing a lot more research on. I knew about the possible effects on vasodilation, but never heard anyone speak about it until you said something. Now a question I pose to you Des, have you heard anything about Icariin being similar to rhodiola rosea? I've read some things that compare the two that say they are related in an effectual sense...they both help increase a better sense of well being and help with endurance. However, I am more curious about knowing if Icariin is classified as an adaptogen like rhodiola rosea? Just wanted to know if you could shed some light on this....

At present I don't know. Hopefully I can address this later on after reading some of the more technical literature on roseroot.


Please don't start carrying chrome dumbells in hand :)

Yeah...it does feel wierd when the little hotties are jogging by. :D


Whenever I can, I do my cardio sessions outside. I hate being on a treadmill and just starring at the same wall for an hour. When Im outside and constantly seeing new things, it makes it much more enjoyable. Stay outside as long as you can :).

I enjoy it too just for the fresh air, ducks quacking, and trying to figure out who is wearing a sports bra or not. I don't mind it at my gym either because they have DVD/Cable monitors on most of the cardio equipment.

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Pizza, core, and......ActivaTe Xtreme. ;)

I quite like Giordannos, but Pizzapapolis in Detroit is better......Chicago style broccoli and shrimp pizza owns.

How does it compare to NY pizza?

[livinonlava]

Alright, enough with the freakin pizza talk already... :mad: It's no-carb day for goodness sake...


:D

Anyway, if I was putting my .02 in, I'd vote for Mack & Manco's pizza on the OC, New Jersey boardwalk. That was my last meal on Thursday before the diet started Friday... That place is an institution :)

[uhockey]

I'm not an NY Pizza fan.....too oily, not enough substance. I like it thick. Cali pizza is good for the oddball ingredients. Honestly, I so rarely eat pizza that when I do, the last thing I want is cheap-o NYC style. :) Last pizza I had was from Magic Oven in Toronto....completely organic and friggin amazing. Top 5, all time, for sure.

On the topic of cardio.....since moving back to CBus, I have discovered the wonder of built in TV/DVD on cardio equipment.......where have you been all my life?? :D

[deserusan]

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Part of the Essenital Funk Selection

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The Workout: 8.9 out of 10.0

*60 minutes fasted walking upon waking

**Warm up sets are not included

Leg Extensions: 300lbs x 12, 300lbs x 12

superset w/

Leg Curls: 225lbs x 12, 225lbs x 12

Hack Squats: 10 plates x 10, 10 plates x 10, 10 plates x 8

ATG Pulse Squats (1/2 way up): 225lbs x 12, 225lbs x 12, 225lbs x 12

FreeMotion Modified Single Leg Curls: 3 x 12/12

Toe Presses: 8 plates x 100 (a few pauses)

Daily Macronutrients

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Discussion

This is my current post workout shake. DON'T **** WITH ME!


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This is what I drink when I'm too lazy to cook up a dozen eggwhites. I got some wierd looks today slamming it outside the grocery store today but hey, who gives a ****. It gets the job done and makes for some pretty gross burps.

Eggbeaters > Whey ya heard?


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[ab-swing asianbabe]

What are they essentially? Raw liquid egg whites? What's the taste like.. frothy or slimy or milky? Haha gawd I feel uncomfortable asking these questions :D

[dvsness]

I'm not an NY Pizza fan.....too oily, not enough substance. I like it thick.

Sicilian?

[nni]

he ate at a times square place, so his experience was not a good one. i like thick pizza as well.

[dvsness]

he ate at a times square place, so his experience was not a good one.

I see. Why didn't you take him somewhere respectable?

[nni]

I see. Why didn't you take him somewhere respectable?

he did his own thing and did not consult me.

the pizza is better in the outer boroughs anyway.


by the way when you aren't cutting, you have to head over to BLT Burger, it is excellent.

[dbc5]

Man your leg days are intense. By the way, i tried out the run the rack dumbell shrugs that you talked about earlier in this log and they are awsome. My traps are already getting tight. Should be fun tomorrow.

[deserusan]

What are they essentially? Raw liquid egg whites? What's the taste like.. frothy or slimy or milky? Haha gawd I feel uncomfortable asking these questions :D

It's not bad actually. It's salty and milky. :D


he ate at a times square place, so his experience was not a good one. i like thick pizza as well.

I prefer thicker too.


I see. Why didn't you take him somewhere respectable?

I was wondering when you'd pop in.




the pizza is better in the outer boroughs anyway.


I agree.


Man your leg days are intense. By the way, i tried out the run the rack dumbell shrugs that you talked about earlier in this log and they are awsome. My traps are already getting tight. Should be fun tomorrow.

Volume causes you to grow if you use it the right way. :)

[xxghostxx]

Hey there Des, just stopping in to check out your progress. Looking like a total beast in that banner you are using! Great log as always, I look forward to following along and learning.

[warbird00]

how many grams of protein in on of those cartons? How much do they cost?
thanks

[dvsness]

I was wondering when you'd pop in.


Why, because you're so vocal in my journal?

[deserusan]

Hey there Des, just stopping in to check out your progress. Looking like a total beast in that banner you are using! Great log as always, I look forward to following along and learning.

Thanks man.


how many grams of protein in on of those cartons? How much do they cost?
thanks

About 40. I also have some almonds with it.


Why, because you're so vocal in my journal?

I was expecting to typical "Yo Brooklyn pizza is da best!" response. :D

[chris2305]

Hey really enjoying your posts. What are "ATG Pulse Squats (1/2 way up): 225lbs x 12, 225lbs x 12, 225lbs x 12" and how are they performed. I am also currently using the thyotabs and cytolean stack to loose weight and is working well. I have lost 65lbs since January.

[uhockey]

No one can talk **** about a guy drinking eggbeaters for PWO......hardass.

Great workouts, great details.

[Zachattack43]

I dont like eggbeaters, after cooking them, they are still runny unlike my egg starters from Costco.

Des, dont you think egg whites are more bioavaliable/absorb able being cooked?

[gountilfailure0]

definatly going to keep track of this log :D

[deserusan]

I dont like eggbeaters, after cooking them, they are still runny unlike my egg starters from Costco.

Des, dont you think egg whites are more bioavaliable/absorb able being cooked?

I don't concern myself much bioavailabity concerns when it comes to wholefood protein sources or protein powder for that matter. When you are hypocaloric your body wants to absorb as much as possible and using quality enzymes certainly helps.

[Zachattack43]

I don't concern myself much bioavailabity concerns when it comes to wholefood protein sources or protein powder for that matter. When you are hypocaloric your body wants to absorb as much as possible and using quality enzymes certainly helps.

so does that mean i can take in hydrolyzed collagenic protein isolate? :D

[deserusan]

so does that mean i can take in hydrolyzed collagenic protein isolate? :D

No. I'm just straying from conventional science with a lot of nutritional based propaganda these days. What's best is usually a pain in the ass and the just doesn't justify the outcome. Oats, chicken, eggs, and nuts do the trick. :D

[TexAss]

awwww, no milk?


what are your feelings on milk, btw? Just curious, your opinion won't stop my 3/4 gallon a day habit.

[Zachattack43]

No. I'm just straying from conventional science with a lot of nutritional based propaganda these days. What's best is usually a pain in the ass and the just doesn't justify the outcome. Oats, chicken, eggs, and nuts do the trick. :D

I am just messing with ya;)

You say I dont joke around enough

[40-Yard Dash_2]

awwww, no milk?


what are your feelings on milk, btw? Just curious, your opinion won't stop my 3/4 gallon a day habit.

It depends on the individual, as I tend to bloat on large quantities of dairy; however, a high calcium intake for prolonged periods is not necessarily the best in regards to your health.

[uhockey]

What is your reasoning behind limiting dietary calcium intake, Art?

[deserusan]

I should update.

[EMISGOD]

Congratulations on the ad, Dan! :D

wdF9liwZfuI

Bacon!

[Sldge]

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Part of the Essenital Funk Selection

fsNcc2soDyY


The Workout: 8.9 out of 10.0

*60 minutes fasted walking upon waking

**Warm up sets are not included

Leg Extensions: 300lbs x 12, 300lbs x 12

superset w/

Leg Curls: 225lbs x 12, 225lbs x 12

Hack Squats: 10 plates x 10, 10 plates x 10, 10 plates x 8

ATG Pulse Squats (1/2 way up): 225lbs x 12, 225lbs x 12, 225lbs x 12

FreeMotion Modified Single Leg Curls: 3 x 12/12

Toe Presses: 8 plates x 100 (a few pauses)

Daily Macronutrients

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Discussion

This is my current post workout shake. DON'T **** WITH ME!


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This is what I drink when I'm too lazy to cook up a dozen eggwhites. I got some wierd looks today slamming it outside the grocery store today but hey, who gives a ****. It gets the job done and makes for some pretty gross burps.

Eggbeaters > Whey ya heard?


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When i was young and realy really broke I used to blend a carton of egg beater, a can of tuna and a diet coke for my protein shake. Its amazing some of the crap we eat to get our protein in.

[Elliptical Envy]

No. I'm just straying from conventional science with a lot of nutritional based propaganda these days. What's best is usually a pain in the ass and the just doesn't justify the outcome. Oats, chicken, eggs, and nuts do the trick. :D

Great post.

[dvsness]

When i was young and realy really broke I used to blend a carton of egg beater, a can of tuna and a diet coke for my protein shake. Its amazing some of the crap we eat to get our protein in.

That is some serious... I don't know what. But it's definitely serious.

[chris2305]

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Part of the Essenital Funk Selection

fsNcc2soDyY


The Workout: 8.9 out of 10.0

*60 minutes fasted walking upon waking

**Warm up sets are not included

Leg Extensions: 300lbs x 12, 300lbs x 12

superset w/

Leg Curls: 225lbs x 12, 225lbs x 12

Hack Squats: 10 plates x 10, 10 plates x 10, 10 plates x 8

ATG Pulse Squats (1/2 way up): 225lbs x 12, 225lbs x 12, 225lbs x 12

FreeMotion Modified Single Leg Curls: 3 x 12/12

Toe Presses: 8 plates x 100 (a few pauses)

Daily Macronutrients

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Discussion

This is my current post workout shake. DON'T **** WITH ME!


http://www.sptimes.com/2005/05/18/images/medium/FLO_2_eggs__0518.jpg

This is what I drink when I'm too lazy to cook up a dozen eggwhites. I got some wierd looks today slamming it outside the grocery store today but hey, who gives a ****. It gets the job done and makes for some pretty gross burps.

Eggbeaters > Whey ya heard?


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Deserusan I was wondering what are the ATG Pulse Squats?

[dvsness]

You people really have to learn how to selectively quote things.

[EMISGOD]

Congratulations on the ad, Dan! :D

wdF9liwZfuI

Bacon!


You people really have to learn how to selectively quote things.


Congratulations on the ad, Dan! :D

wdF9liwZfuI

Bacon!

No ****. Baccccconnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!

[deserusan]

Deserusan I was wondering what are the ATG Pulse Squats?

I'll use Coleman squat style as an example. You'll notice he goes ATG and uses a abbreviated motion which ellicits constant tension on the hamstrings, quads, glutes, etc. When I do my own version of a pulse squat I only come up right above parallel. This keep a lot of tension on the full ham/glute region as well as causing an extreme stretch in the quads at the full negative position.

This really brings out the lower quad and hamstrings. People who come all the way up on their squats are selling themselves short. Yes, you can probably lift more weight, but the weight isn't doing much for your leg development.

I throw this technique in everyonce in while once my legs are pretty exhausted. It really fries them.

CcEq0nGSZ_E

[Death From Above]

what up des, just stoppin by.

[deserusan]

what up des, just stoppin by.

Sup jigga? I just got back from a fun night of drinking water at the bars! Woot woot! :D

[warbird00]

I'll use Coleman squat style as an example. You'll notice he goes ATG and uses a abbreviated motion which ellicits constant tension on the hamstrings, quads, glutes, etc. When I do my own version of a pulse squat I only come up right above parallel. This keep a lot of tension on the full ham/glute region as well as causing an extreme stretch in the quads at the full negative position.

This really brings out the lower quad and hamstrings. People who come all the way up on their squats are selling themselves short. Yes, you can probably lift more weight, but the weight isn't doing much for your leg development.

I throw this technique in everyonce in while once my legs are pretty exhausted. It really fries them.

CcEq0nGSZ_E


yeah, pulse squats are freaking hard, i mix em into my routine sometimes too. Usually end up locking out my knees for last one or two reps tho cause im so freaking exausted :/

kinda confused tho when you say that "ppl who come up all the way are selling themselfves short" and that "the weight isnt doing much for your leg development" but then you go on to say that you only throw it into your routine every once in a while? If they are so much better than regular squats why dont you always incorporate them?
Thanks

[Death From Above]

Sup jigga? I just got back from a fun night of drinking water at the bars! Woot woot! :D

haha gotta love the explanations, although ive found personally girls go for a sober guy 9/10 times over some drunk dude. (not saying it applies to you, youve got quite a catch). I just started dating a girl who has her kines degree so she can appreciate my goals/lifestyle..

Plus, I can lift the next day :)

[deserusan]

haha gotta love the explanations, although ive found personally girls go for a sober guy 9/10 times over some drunk dude. (not saying it applies to you, youve got quite a catch).

Plus, I can lift the next day :)

True true. :)

[AtownKing187]

I like egg beaters :D

[extremenergy3]

yeah, pulse squats are freaking hard, i mix em into my routine sometimes too. Usually end up locking out my knees for last one or two reps tho cause im so freaking exausted :/

kinda confused tho when you say that "ppl who come up all the way are selling themselfves short" and that "the weight isnt doing much for your leg development" but then you go on to say that you only throw it into your routine every once in a while? If they are so much better than regular squats why dont you always incorporate them?
Thanks

Good question.

[deserusan]

Good question.




kinda confused tho when you say that "ppl who come up all the way are selling themselfves short" and that "the weight isnt doing much for your leg development" but then you go on to say that you only throw it into your routine every once in a while? If they are so much better than regular squats why dont you always incorporate them?
Thanks

I never lock out and always use the motion Coleman is using in the vid. The ATG pulse squating I described is just abbreviating the movement even more to isolate a certain region of the leg. Instead of coming up 3/4 of the way you are coming up 4/7 of the way. :)

Give both techniques a shot and trust me when I say your legs will grow. It might be a shot to the ego at first having to drop the weight, but your legs will explode.

[dvsness]

No ****. Baccccconnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!

Next one to mention food gets pistonwhipped.

[EMISGOD]

Next one to mention food gets pistonwhipped.

You going to take apart an engine for that? What size?

[ncangey0513]

LOL @ coleman doing lunges down the middle of the street. I'll be sure to check outside for him every now and again. :rolleyes:

[warbird00]

I never lock out and always use the motion Coleman is using in the vid. The ATG pulse squating I described is just abbreviating the movement even more to isolate a certain region of the leg. Instead of coming up 3/4 of the way you are coming up 4/7 of the way. :)

Give both techniques a shot and trust me when I say your legs will grow. It might be a shot to the ego at first having to drop the weight, but your legs will explode.

ohhh, ok
yeah, i did em last week and i couldnt walk the next day. Im gonna start doing em every week.

So do you suggest the 3/4 one or the 4/7 one?
Thanks

[uhockey]

Why do half the videos of Ronnie have metal playing? Dollars to donuts the man isn't rocking out to slayer and pantera regularly.

[warbird00]

Why do half the videos of Ronnie have metal playing? Dollars to donuts the man isn't rocking out to slayer and pantera regularly.

usually its rap, like in relentless

[dvsness]

You going to take apart an engine for that? What size?

My apologies. I meant L and you know it! :D

Des, how are you feeling, hon? :(

[deserusan]

Des, how are you feeling, hon? :(

Pretty good actually. :)

[EMISGOD]

My apologies. I meant L and you know it! :D

Awww, sugar. I would never hold it against you...unless I held it against you, that is. :D


Pretty good actually. :)

Hail King Baconator!

[deserusan]

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Sitting Around with a Concussion Selection

K0sXK-iWvG4


The Workout: 9.1 out of 10.0

*60 minutes fasted walking upon waking

**Warm up sets are not included

Underhand Pulldowns: 200lbs x 12, 200lbs x 12

Low Cable Rows: 225lbs x 10, 225lbs x 10

superset

Wide FreeMotion Rows: failure, failure

T-Bar Rows (with chest support): 180lbs x 10, 180lbs x 10, 180lbs x 10

Rack Pulls: 405lbs x 6, 405lbs x 6, 405lbs x 6

superset w/

Dumbell Pullovers: 100lbs x 8, 100lbs x 8, 100lbs x 8

Dumbell Rows: 100lbs x failure/failure

Single Arm Hammer Curls: 50lb'ers x 10/10, 50lb'ers x 10/10

Incline Dumbell Curls: 35lb'ers x 8/8, 35lb'ers x 8/8

Daily Macronutrients

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Discussion

Be a responsible citizen and use an earpiece when operating an automobile. Some dumbass hit me going 35-40mph while at a stop light. Why? She was screwing around on her cellphone. Luckily my short stay in the hospital didn't reveal any injuries but I still need to follow up later this week.

Essentially, I was stretching my legs and arms by pushing myself against the seat which saved me from any whiplash or hitting the steering wheel/windshield. However, getting blasted by the airbag wasn't the greatest experience nor was having my car totaled. On the upside I have GREAT insurance as does the dumb twat who hit me. I'm also thankful I walked away from this unscathed. Lift your weights! :)


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[uhockey]

Cardio + workout, how long total do you spend in the gym daily? On submaintenance calories, you're a machine...

[livinonlava]

Sitting around with a concussion?

EDIT: just read your update -- that sucks donkey butt :(

[deserusan]

Cardio + workout, how long total do you spend in the gym daily? On submaintenance calories, you're a machine...

I do my cardio in the AM. It's actually a great way to start the day. My workouts are in the PM which as I always have better sessions with some calories in my system.


Sitting around with a concussion?

EDIT: just read your update -- that sucks donkey butt :(

**** happens. I get a new car though. :)

[livinonlava]

**** happens. I get a new car though. :)

The eternal optimist, eh? :D

[Kernkraft]

I do my cardio in the AM. It's actually a great way to start the day. My workouts are in the PM which as I always have better sessions with some calories in my system.



**** happens. I get a new car though. :)

Concussions suck. Sis has 5 of them. I told her she keeps getting them I'm going to start calling her Eric Lindros.

New cars are nice though. Get a Dodge. A Dodge Stratus.

OLoixmPgzVE

[dbc5]

Sorry to hear about the car accident, but glad to hear that everything is alright health wise. The exact same thing happened to my brother. Some girl rear ended him at like 30 because she was talking on here cell phone and didnt even see him sitting there waiting to turn.

Really good workout by the way. Great job.

[uhockey]

Sorry to hear about the accident.

I do my cario in the AM too, as well as my lifting. Its the only way I have time.

[BuckeyeMuscle]

Damn, sorry to hear about the accident, they are never fun :(
But I'm glad you're ok!

[ncangey0513]

did you javelin toss her afterwards? in all seriousness, hopefully everything is great for you.

[bbgolfer]

Concussions suck. Sis has 5 of them. I told her she keeps getting them I'm going to start calling her Eric Lindros.

New cars are nice though. Get a Dodge. A Dodge Stratus.

OLoixmPgzVE

HAHAHAHA I love that.

X2 on Uhockey's question... How long do you spend in the actual GYM on an average day Des?

[Sldge]

Next one to mention food gets pistonwhipped.

Yeah dont worry we all know what you meant. lol


You going to take apart an engine for that? What size?

Funny.

Dan, that really sucks about the accident. Good to hear that you are ok though. Hows the diet going? Meaning how are you feeling mentally and how many weeks out?

[dvsness]

Meaning how are you feeling mentally and how many weeks out?

He's whiny and 16 weeks. :D

[AtownKing187]

He's whiny and 16 weeks. :D

That's typical of Dan :D :D

[EMISGOD]

Dan, that really sucks about the accident. Good to hear that you are ok though. Hows the diet going? Meaning how are you feeling mentally and how many weeks out?

He is the Baconator guy. That answers all questions. :D

[deserusan]

did you javelin toss her afterwards? in all seriousness, hopefully everything is great for you.

I actually consoled her a bit because she was freaking out. Had she been a dude it might have been hard to control my temper.


Hows the diet going? Meaning how are you feeling mentally and how many weeks out?

I just dropped the cals a bit as well to turn up the process. I like my diet because its simple which makes it easy for me to stick to. Also, I'm about 15 weeks out so at 12 I'll be seeking possible your advice and Twin Peak's. :p

[deserusan]

X2 on Uhockey's question... How long do you spend in the actual GYM on an average day Des?

About an hour and fifteen minutes. I don't take a lot of time in between sets. My AM cardio sessions are done outside for the most part unless it's pouring rain. In that scenario I'll drive to my gym which is two minutes a way bringing the total up to about 2.5 hours but that is a rare occasion.

[deserusan]

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The Workout: 9.4 out of 10.0

*60 minutes fasted walking upon waking

**Warm up sets are not included

Leg Press (Narrow Stance): 900lbs x 15, 900lbs x 15

Hack Pulse Squats (Narrow Stance): 270lbs x 10, 270lbs x 10

Squats: 315lbs x 12, 315lbs x 12

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Good Mornings: 95lbs x 10, 95lbs x 10

Leg Extensions: 225lbs x 12, 225lbs x 12

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Leg Curls: 180lbs x 12, 180lbs x 12

Hybrid Calf Training

Daily Macronutrients

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Discussion

Despite an obvious set back my training hasn't suffered. I guess I'm lucky for walking away from an accident which ended up totaling my car. Eitherway, it has certainly put a lot of things into perspective.

Anyway, I'm tired right now and need some sleep. These damn reports I do for Gaspari are detailed so I'm sorry about the lack of discussion tonight. Have a good night or day depending on your time zone.


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[ab-swing asianbabe]

Hope you feel better bud, a new car is always nice though :)

And I'll try to send you less extra work to do,.. I'll give it to zach :p

[livinonlava]

Hybrid Calf Training

How frequently do you do this? I've picked up on it for the last 4-5 weeks, and I really like it -- great pump, great stimulation, and soreness for days. However, I'm wondering how often I should incorporate this routine before it offers deminishing results.

[AtownKing187]

Pulse squats = da shizzzzzz :D


When ya gunna send me some samples Dan? :D :D

[TexAss]

Sorry about the accident. Did the airbag burn your hands? When mine deployed it burned the back of both of my hands. I guess the vent holes were right where I had my hands.

Glad you are OK, and I fully agree with you about people driving and using cell phones.

[dbc5]

Good workout man. I was wondering if you could elaborate a little on the hybrid calf training. Thanks.

[Sldge]

I just dropped the cals a bit as well to turn up the process. I like my diet because its simple which makes it easy for me to stick to. Also, I'm about 15 weeks out so at 12 I'll be seeking possible your advice and Twin Peak's. :p

Not a problem at all. You dont have far to go since you started so early youll have the ability to mock up the prep prior to stepping on stage.

[dvsness]

Also, I'm about 15 weeks out

Actually,


He's whiny and 16 weeks. :D


Good workout man. I was wondering if you could elaborate a little on the hybrid calf training. Thanks.

Good times.

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[dbc5]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/fitshow30.htm

Thanks for the link :).

[deserusan]

How frequently do you do this? I've picked up on it for the last 4-5 weeks, and I really like it -- great pump, great stimulation, and soreness for days. However, I'm wondering how often I should incorporate this routine before it offers deminishing results.

I'm doing it about twice a week. However, I follow it loosely and throw in my own exercise and techniques.

[deserusan]

Not a problem at all. You dont have far to go since you started so early youll have the ability to mock up the prep prior to stepping on stage.

Hah..hopefully. :D

[uhockey]

About an hour and fifteen minutes. I don't take a lot of time in between sets. My AM cardio sessions are done outside for the most part unless it's pouring rain. In that scenario I'll drive to my gym which is two minutes a way bringing the total up to about 2.5 hours but that is a rare occasion.

Considering the volume you do, you've got to be kicking ass from the moment you enter the gym till the moment you walk out. Very cool.

[dvsness]

Not a problem at all. You dont have far to go since you started so early youll have the ability to mock up the prep prior to stepping on stage.

Doing a test run was very valuable to me. Highly recommended.

[deserusan]

Doing a test run was very valuable to me. Highly recommended.

Maybe two weeks before the Olympia. Definatley not during.

[dvsness]

Maybe two weeks before the Olympia. Definatley not during.

If you are lean enough at nine weeks to see reaction accurately... your call.

[CanadaBBOY]

Actually,





Good times.

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Ah, I've never heard of hybrid calf training, but apparantly I do something similar to it. It's too bad for me that calves all either juice, genetics, or a combo of the both :) (yes ****ty calf genetics, yes bitter, no homo).

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The Workout: 9.9 out of 10.0

*60 minutes fasted walking upon waking

**Warm up sets are not included

Supine Dumbell Presses: 130lb'ers x 8, 130lb'ers x 8

Incline Bench Press: 265lbs x 10, 265lbs x 10

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Bent-over Cable Flyes: 60lbs (per side) x failure, 60lbs (per side) x failure

Decline Hammer Strength: 270lbs x 10, 270lbs x 10

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Supine Dumbell Flyes: 50lb'ers x failure, 50lb'ers x failure

Cable Extensions: 160lbs x 12, 160lbs x 12

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Close Grip Bench Press: 135lbs x failure, 135lbs x failure

Single Arm Extensions: 50lbs x 12/12, 50lbs x 12/12

Hanging Leg Raises: 15, 15, 15

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Decline Sit-Ups: BW + 25lbs x failure

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Discussion

Today's training session was intense. I walked to the gym and the temperature was a humid 94 degrees. My muscles were fairly primed after my first few warm-up sets so I decided lift a bit heavier then I have been as of late.

I also trained a little bit earlier in the day so I ran into a few chaps I haven't seen in awhile who all commented on how much weight I've lost. All together I've lost about 30lbs since the Arnold Classic in March. Even better, I haven't lost much muscle which has been my goal all along.

Right after I finish this I'll be writing another letter to Bruce K so if anyone has anything they would like to say to him just PM it to me or post it here and I'll print it out. He's doing as well as he can be given the current circumstances and still has a great sense of humour displayed in his writing.

Oh yeah, so back to the log..lol. I have been pouring over a lot of the literature on icariin and must say I am impressed. Typically, when doing these logs I gradually build up my own knowledge on the ingredients at hand and then share my thoughts with you. Don't worry as this is coming soon. I just want to make sure I'm not experiencing any brocebo.

What I can say is that I'm definately experiencing some the same effects I did while on Halodrol Liquigels but a bit sooner. This would include alpha maleness (if that's a word) and some aggressive tendencies which are beyond my typical ******* nature. The muscle fullness, increased vascularty, and general "on" feeling are quite apparent.


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[dvsness]

Chaps? Humour? Are you British today?

Oh yeah, nice workout. ;) I've found SS'ing abs 1x/week is fun.

[Mr.Farang]

I also trained a little bit earlier in the day so I ran into a few chaps I haven't seen in awhile who all commented on how much weight I've lost. All together I've lost about 30lbs since the Arnold Classic in March. ven better, I haven't lost much muscle which has been my goal all along.


Holy shiatz! 30lbs! :eek: Go go gadget wowzers!

Oh yeah, tell that Bruce K fella that he's one handsome dude! yeah, I like his products. Thanks.

[nni]

excellent des!

[Zachattack43]

Chaps? Humour? Are you British today?

nope, just another tendency of Activate Xtreme. I have being using the word "tis" a lot lately

[Elliptical Envy]

If you have lost 30 lbs since March.....geez! :eek:

[Zachattack43]

Chaps? Humour? Are you British today?

Oh yeah, nice workout. ;) I've found SS'ing abs 1x/week is fun.


nope, just another tendency of Activate Xtreme. I have being using the word "tis" a lot lately

This is prolly Rob's doing;)

[aznxdgnz]

hi there. whats your progress since the last time i saw your pic in the hlg/xfactor log?

[deserusan]

If you have lost 30 lbs since March.....geez! :eek:

Yeah...I was fat. It was cool being 255lbs, benching close to 400lbs for reps etc, but when it comes down to it I've just had to work twice as hard to peel off the fat. :)

[Sldge]

Looks like its going really well. Feeling any residual effects from the accident?

[deserusan]

Looks like its going really well. Feeling any residual effects from the accident?

Nope. I got a clean bill of health today but my doc wasn't happy I have been working out. :rolleyes:

[Sldge]

Nope. I got a clean bill of health today but my doc wasn't happy I have been working out. :rolleyes:

They never are that soon after an accident. But good to see everything is still ok.

[Elliptical Envy]

Yeah...I was fat. It was cool being 255lbs, benching close to 400lbs for reps etc, but when it comes down to it I've just had to work twice as hard to peel off the fat. :)

I have a lot of catching up to do then. :)

[deserusan]

I have a lot of catching up to do then. :)

What are you benching these days?

[Zachattack43]

What are you benching these days?

ppfffttt who benches these days, hehe i never do flat

[Amysangel]

Glad you are doing good after the accident! Sucks about your car but better the car then you that was totalled! What kind of car you looking at? Jeeps are always cool! :D

[Elliptical Envy]

What are you benching these days?

I haven't maxed out at all, but I have always had a weaker bench compared to my other lifts.