Gaining LBM for women

[UNCfan1]

Ok here is the deal. A friend of mine is wanting to add some size. She is around 5'3" 97lbs. She is diabetic type 2 I believe. She informed me that while in high school her Dr. had her on steroids. At the time they didn't know she was diabetic(how do u miss that?)

So I have no idea what to recommend her. I told her about some of ****'s supplements only cause I know FNF uses them. After reading some logs and feedback on JW being hypoglymic to some I am at a loss.

I recommend her to keep her carbs mod to low, increase protein and healthy fats.

Need help!

[Revmachine21]

Personally would stay away from recommending supplements to somebody with a medical condition.

Would steer her towards arranging nutritional counseling through her doctor. She seems a bit underweight but I'm not an expert.

If she's looking to start bodybuilding, I would have her start lifting weights. That's kind of the point of this forum!

[UNCfan1]

Personally would stay away from recommending supplements to somebody with a medical condition.

Would steer her towards arranging nutritional counseling through her doctor. She seems a bit underweight but I'm not an expert.

If she's looking to start bodybuilding, I would have her start lifting weights. That's kind of the point of this forum!

You started off helping until the last sentence. Did u really think I was going to help her with everything and have her not lift weights? LOL did u think I didn't know thats the point to the forum. I guess being a complete smartass runs thru the whole forum.

I guess its back to the other forums for me!

[jbodybuilder]

A good protein supplement would be start. Prolab makes some really good stuff, even in fruit flavors. I'm not sure though how much she should consume. Vanessa or some of the other ladies will have some good suggestions I'm sure.

[Roxie]

Ok here is the deal. A friend of mine is wanting to add some size. She is around 5'3" 97lbs. She is diabetic type 2 I believe. She informed me that while in high school her Dr. had her on steroids. At the time they didn't know she was diabetic(how do u miss that?)

So I have no idea what to recommend her. I told her about some of ****'s supplements only cause I know FNF uses them. After reading some logs and feedback on JW being hypoglymic to some I am at a loss.

I recommend her to keep her carbs mod to low, increase protein and healthy fats.

Need help!
That's the best advice to give her. She should try and get her calories from food though IMO. What is her diet like, is she eating 5 to 6 times a day? Has she worked out before?

She definitely should get a nice nutrition plan from her dr though, so they can monitor her diabetes and make sure she is eating right.

[dvsness]

Diet and training are going to be the key here, as with everyone. 97 pounds is scary, and this woman must have little to no muscle regardless of BF at that weight. A diabetic has to be careful of provoking too much of an insulin response with her diet, so the inclusion of healthy fats and using complex carb sources is important. Frequent feeding is also important, since it'll help maintain metabolic consistancy and fewer large peaks and drops that only provoke an insulin response.

So far as supplements, I don't know what prescriptions she may be taking that may have a negative interaction. Multi's should be fine, as well as protein powders. A blend may be more beneficial due to the varied rates of digestion. Any MRP should have complex carb sources. I know of diabetic who take creatine, but only pure - no added carbs/sugars formula. A doctor's clearance is still a good idea.

If she'd like any other info, please tell her to join up so that we may speak directly. I'm happy to help.

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I agree 100% with this approach. When I have a serious medical condition that I'm trying to work around, I get my friends to ask questions for me on bb.com and report back to me.

[UNCfan1]

Thanks ladies. I told her about this website and others so she join. She eats nicely spaced out meals. I am not sure how many meals though.

The thing that troubles me the most is that while she was in high school she was little smaller from what she told me and the dr gave her steroids to use and didn't even know she was diabetic.

As for supplements I recommended vitamins A,B,C and E and talked about a multi. Fish oils and and protein powder.

Thanks again.

[dvsness]

The thing that troubles me the most is that while she was in high school she was little smaller from what she told me and the dr gave her steroids to use and didn't even know she was diabetic.


Why is this such a huge concern?

[UNCfan1]

Why is this such a huge concern?

Becuase she went so long not knowing what was wrong with her and they ran so many tests but failed to test for that.

I mean I am not losing sleep over it lol.

[amberlynn72]

Ok here is the deal. A friend of mine is wanting to add some size. She is around 5'3" 97lbs. She is diabetic type 2 I believe. She informed me that while in high school her Dr. had her on steroids. At the time they didn't know she was diabetic(how do u miss that?)

So I have no idea what to recommend her. I told her about some of ****'s supplements only cause I know FNF uses them. After reading some logs and feedback on JW being hypoglymic to some I am at a loss.

I recommend her to keep her carbs mod to low, increase protein and healthy fats.

Need help!


Actually this clean diet is good for a diabetic.. I believe you mean she is Type 1 diabetic ..type 2 diabetics usually consume to much food and are overweight.

My son is skinny and he is type 1 and he pretty much eats what I do

loves chicken and vegetables ..peanut butter sandwiches ...etc etc we eat all organic though.

And they always stress protein/carbs for slow release of glucose just like the bodybuilding diet. I dunno if I can be any help to you but feel free to message me if you have a question. My son is only 10 too young to bodybuild hehe

What you recommend is excellent actually.. All diabetics should stay away from as much simple carbs as they can..

[Tiffany_P]

I would think if she needs to build muscle and gain weight that she should eat a fairly large percentage of her calories from carbs. Good carbs of course, especially since she's diabetic. Put her on the oatmeal and sweet potato diet.

[UNCfan1]

Actually this clean diet is good for a diabetic.. I believe you mean she is Type 1 diabetic ..type 2 diabetics usually consume to much food and are overweight.

My son is skinny and he is type 1 and he pretty much eats what I do

loves chicken and vegetables ..peanut butter sandwiches ...etc etc we eat all organic though.

And they always stress protein/carbs for slow release of glucose just like the bodybuilding diet. I dunno if I can be any help to you but feel free to message me if you have a question. My son is only 10 too young to bodybuild hehe

What you recommend is excellent actually.. All diabetics should stay away from as much simple carbs as they can..


Thanks Amber! I was hoping she would sign up so she could go into detail about her condition. If she doesn't I will dig deeper find out what exactly she eats during the day and so on.

I will PM with more info when I get it.

BTW she said she was type 2. I will find out more.

[Sable_Strenua]

Thanks ladies. I told her about this website and others so she join. She eats nicely spaced out meals. I am not sure how many meals though.

The thing that troubles me the most is that while she was in high school she was little smaller from what she told me and the dr gave her steroids to use and didn't even know she was diabetic.

As for supplements I recommended vitamins A,B,C and E and talked about a multi. Fish oils and and protein powder.

Thanks again.


Thanks Amber! I was hoping she would sign up so she could go into detail about her condition. If she doesn't I will dig deeper find out what exactly she eats during the day and so on.

I will PM with more info when I get it.

BTW she said she was type 2. I will find out more.

Has she consulted with her doctor yet? I know people have offered some good advice here but it is very important that she consults with a doctor about her condition before taking on your nutrition plan & taking supplements.

I used to have a co-worker that started a program as he developed type 1 diabetes....it wasn't a pretty situation. He basically kept ignoring it and didn't get to the doctor until he was looking like a refugee.

[darkangel]

I'm confused. Why was her doctor prescribing steroids? Is she on insulin now, or is her condition controlled by diet?

[amberlynn72]

I would think if she needs to build muscle and gain weight that she should eat a fairly large percentage of her calories from carbs. Good carbs of course, especially since she's diabetic. Put her on the oatmeal and sweet potato diet.


I am curious as to why you would say that?? ANY carbs spikes glucose in the blood.. please do tell

[jbodybuilder]

I am curious as to why you would say that?? ANY carbs spikes glucose in the blood.. please do tell

Very much agreed. Carbs need to be in the complex form and limited to prevent her having any trouble with her diabetes. I think good sources of protein(mostly from food) will be most advantageous since she is looking for lean mass.

[amberlynn72]

Very much agreed. Carbs need to be in the complex form and limited to prevent her having any trouble with her diabetes. I think good sources of protein(mostly from food) will be most advantageous since she is looking for lean mass.


yes I believe that a major carb diet would send the glucose into overload requiring even more insulin .

hyperglycemia (high blood sugar) is waaaaaay worse than hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) for a diabetic.

Having a type 1 diabetic child I have learned alot about mending my high carb ways as to not develop type 2 diabetes myself later on.

Doesn't matter ..complex or simple carbs ..still need to be in control no matter if your diabetic or not.

If the pancreas continues to put out copius amounts of insulin ALL the time ..eventually it will wear out and quit. We were not designed to ingest so many high refined carbs.

[empresscat]

Make sure that when she does eat carbs, they are accompanied by a healthy fat to slow down absorption. (Peanut butter on an apple, for example.) Might be wise to limit even oatmeal and sweet potatoes to very small portions and focus on fibrous carbs.

Some carbs are still necessary for a diabetic, and, as in all things, balance is key - though I'd look at a diet with about a 20-25% ratio of carbs rather than the commonly recommended 40/40/20 macro breakdown.

Diabetes runs in my family - and my dad, who is very thin, does have type 2 - so it's not unheard of for type 2 diabetes to cause weight loss.

Actually, when he was in the hospital recently, I was surprised at how many starchy carbs they fed him, but the diet worked fine and his blood sugar stayed mostly in check - though it did improve further once he was out and eating on his own.

[amberlynn72]

Make sure that when she does eat carbs, they are accompanied by a healthy fat to slow down absorption. (Peanut butter on an apple, for example.) Might be wise to limit even oatmeal and sweet potatoes to very small portions and focus on fibrous carbs.

Some carbs are still necessary for a diabetic, and, as in all things, balance is key - though I'd look at a diet with about a 20-25% ratio of carbs rather than the commonly recommended 40/40/20 macro breakdown.

Diabetes runs in my family - and my dad, who is very thin, does have type 2 - so it's not unheard of for type 2 diabetes to cause weight loss.

Actually, when he was in the hospital recently, I was surprised at how many starchy carbs they fed him, but the diet worked fine and his blood sugar stayed mostly in check - though it did improve further once he was out and eating on his own.

Yea i dont understand how they classify very thin as type 2's or how that happens.. do you know?

[empresscat]

Yea i dont understand how they classify very thin as type 2's or how that happens.. do you know?

Type 2 just means he wasn't born with it.

He's not insulin dependent (though he was on it when he got sick - he had an infection, that due to his diabetes rapidly spread through his whole body, and he ended up with several other complications.)

I don't really understand why he loses weight rather than gains, though.

[UNCfan1]

I'm confused. Why was her doctor prescribing steroids? Is she on insulin now, or is her condition controlled by diet?

I will find out more this weekend when I see her. She isn't on insulin shots yet but she is a pill to help regulate it. She hasn't been taking it and I got on to her for that as well.

When she was a teen she was always sick and the Dr's ran all kind of tests on her and gave her steroids to add some weight. After what she described to me it was obivous what was wrong with her. I am not sure how the Dr didnt' test for this.

I will inform to continue to talk to her Dr. about diet and so forth. I came here cause we all know how Dr.'s can be when it comes to supplements and conditions. BigPeteFox a rep for DS is diabetic and takes supplements as well.

Thanks again for the replies ladies.

[amberlynn72]

Type 2 just means he wasn't born with it.

He's not insulin dependent (though he was on it when he got sick - he had an infection, that due to his diabetes rapidly spread through his whole body, and he ended up with several other complications.)

I don't really understand why he loses weight rather than gains, though.

Oh ok my son wasnt born with diabetes ..he got it at the age of 10 or a week before his 10th birthday actually.

He more than likely is not managing his blood sugar well..when it stays high for long periods of time. Your body will go into ketosis thus losing muscle, fat ..etc...whatever it can to keep from dying.

When my son was diagnosed he lost 10 pds, that's one of the signs I knew something was wrong.

I have talked to lots of diabetics who tell me they dont even hardly check their blood sugar..some just give themselves shots ..and I asked well how do you know how well your managing it ..hmmmm

[amberlynn72]

Oh ok my son wasnt born with diabetes ..he got it at the age of 10 or a week before his 10th birthday actually.

He more than likely is not managing his blood sugar well..when it stays high for long periods of time. Your body will go into ketosis thus losing muscle, fat ..etc...whatever it can to keep from dying.

When my son was diagnosed he lost 10 pds, that's one of the signs I knew something was wrong.

I have talked to lots of diabetics who tell me they dont even hardly check their blood sugar..some just give themselves shots ..and I asked well how do you know how well your managing it ..hmmmm


All of the complications you say he has had due to diabetes is another sign he let himself get high levels of blood sugar also.. So yep thats why he was losing weight .. he wasnt keeping it in the normal range ..which is about 80-120