fight girls

[sportyhp]

anyone else watch this show on oxygen? Kind of entertaining, some of the girls on the show can really kick some ass. one of the trainers at my gym is friends w/ the girl named Felice on the show (she's from buffalo grove...near where i live)

[sartreroquentin]

i do

[goddessamazon]

I use to watch until the episode where the black female was eliminated.

I forget her name but she was a well built sista (muscular) with dred locks like mine. It was her time to fight one of her roommates but she was 13 pounds overweight. I totally disagree with that. If anyone remember this show please give your opinion. THIS WOMAN WAS NOT 13 POUNDS OVERWEIGHT!!!!!! :mad:

So what do they do? They gave her 3 days..............ya'll don't hear me.............3 damn days to loose 13 pounds!!!!!!

So for three days she only dranked protein shakes (6 - 8 a day), jogged 3 miles every morning with 10 pounds of rocks in her backpack, swimmed several laps in the pool non stop and sat in the suana for 20 minutes every evening fully clothed.

So when the weigh in day finally arrived to everyone's surprise she lost the 13 pounds. Ya think? Uh? Heavy exercise combined with starvation will do that.

But guess what ladies and gentleman? Not only did she loose the weight but she lost her natural strength as well. She looked so sorry in the ring. It was painful to watch and as expected she was defeated.

I would bet my life that if they wouldn't have made her loose so much weight in so few days she would have won that fight easily. She had guts, spunk and determination. The male coach even said that she was a future champion.

So why would they make a woman loose 13 pounds in 3 days and expect her to win a fight after putting her body through such a harsh routine?

I was a fan of fight girls until that happen. Now? I say F*ck that show. All it did was give women with eating disorders new ways to loose a lot of weight within a few days.

No one should be put through that. NO ONE!!!!!!! :mad:

[DonMegaR]

that reminds me of the last ultimate fighter when the guy couldn't make weight

they wrapped him in plastic bagging and duct tape and then sweat suits and put him on a bike in the sauna...

i lol'd hard at that episode

[Glen Quagmire]

I use to watch until the episode where the black female was eliminated.

I forget her name but she was a well built sista (muscular) with dred locks like mine. It was her time to fight one of her roommates but she was 13 pounds overweight. I totally disagree with that. If anyone remember this show please give your opinion. THIS WOMAN WAS NOT 13 POUNDS OVERWEIGHT!!!!!! :mad:

So what do they do? They gave her 3 days..............ya'll don't hear me.............3 damn days to loose 13 pounds!!!!!!

So for three days she only dranked protein shakes (6 - 8 a day), jogged 3 miles every morning with 10 pounds of rocks in her backpack, swimmed several laps in the pool non stop and sat in the suana for 20 minutes every evening fully clothed.

So when the weigh in day finally arrived to everyone's surprise she lost the 13 pounds. Ya think? Uh? Heavy exercise combined with starvation will do that.

But guess what ladies and gentleman? Not only did she loose the weight but she lost her natural strength as well. She looked so sorry in the ring. It was painful to watch and as expected she was defeated.

I would bet my life that if they wouldn't have made her loose so much weight in so few days she would have won that fight easily. She had guts, spunk and determination. The male coach even said that she was a future champion.

So why would they make a woman loose 13 pounds in 3 days and expect her to win a fight after putting her body through such a harsh routine?

I was a fan of fight girls until that happen. Now? I say F*ck that show. All it did was give women with eating disorders new ways to loose a lot of weight within a few days.

No one should be put through that. NO ONE!!!!!!! :mad:

Fighters - Boxers / Wrestlers / MMA- fight by weight class, so fighters have to "cut" weight it's just a part of being a fighter. Her cut was not even that bad of one, ask any kid on your local high school wrestling team, he will laugh.

[nockowt1]

Fight Girls is one of the few shows that I do watch. I'm really into the fighting arts (boxing, MMA, karate, whatever) so I knew I was going to check the show out. What I like about it is that it is helping to expand the fanbase for martial arts. There are a lot of people that don't know that there are female fighters and this show does a good job of displaying them. There are female boxers, but only about 10% that are showcased are any good. I think that actually turns away most fans. The cool thing about fight girls is that the girls can actually fight (I'm a big fan of Lisa King and Gina Carano). I usually don't like reality tv, but Fight Girls has enough of a reality tv feel (so you get to know the girls) and it focuses on the fights (so in the end it is a show about the martial arts).

As for cutting weight, I'm a former high school wrestler who has had to cut weight more times than I can remember. I could have very easily quit the team if I didn't want to lose the weight. I lost the weight because I wanted to wrestle and I loved how I looked. I knew that by joining the team I was going to be required to make some sacrifices. For Jeanine (the fighter on Fight Girls) I think the sacrifice of her losing the weight was worth it. The fight she had on Fight Girls was only her first or second. I seriously doubt she would have been able to get that kind of exposure anywhere else. On top of that most fighters (boxers and martial artists) dry themselves out to fight at a lower weight class than they should. It enables them to come in bigger than their opponent once they rehydrate.

[goddessamazon]

Fighters - Boxers / Wrestlers / MMA- fight by weight class, so fighters have to "cut" weight it's just a part of being a fighter. Her cut was not even that bad of one, ask any kid on your local high school wrestling team, he will laugh.




As for cutting weight, I'm a former high school wrestler who has had to cut weight more times than I can remember. I could have very easily quit the team if I didn't want to lose the weight. I lost the weight because I wanted to wrestle and I loved how I looked. I knew that by joining the team I was going to be required to make some sacrifices. For Jeanine (the fighter on Fight Girls) I think the sacrifice of her losing the weight was worth it. The fight she had on Fight Girls was only her first or second. I seriously doubt she would have been able to get that kind of exposure anywhere else. On top of that most fighters (boxers and martial artists) dry themselves out to fight at a lower weight class than they should. It enables them to come in bigger than their opponent once they rehydrate.


I challenge you BOTH to provide me proof of a female wrestler, boxer, fighter, etc who lost 13 or more pounds and won their fight/match.

I don't want to hear bout some man doing it. Show me where the trainer, coach or the female athlete themselves lost 13 or more pounds within 3 days and won.

I'm going to say the famous Misc saying.

Pics/video or it didn't happen.

Oh and nockowt1 that was not her first fight she has fought many times before. They said so on the show. But lets play pretend. So let's pretend it was her first fight. Are you saying that just because it was her first fight she was suppose to loose?

[nockowt1]

I just watched that episode again (I have it on my DVR) and it was her first fight. Gina and Jeanine both stated so. The point I was making about it being her first fight is that the other fighter was more experienced and was supposed to win (at least on paper). Experience goes a long way in the fight business. Everyone looks good in the gym, but it's a totally different story when they get in the ring. I admit that losing that amount of weight in such a short time didn't do her any good, but I'm not going to assume that she would have won if not for the weight loss.

I'm not sure I understand what the difference is for a male or female to lose weight in an unhealthy manner. I would think that their performance can be affected no matter the gender.

[goddessamazon]

I just watched that episode again (I have it on my DVR) and it was her first fight. Gina and Jeanine both stated so. The point I was making about it being her first fight is that the other fighter was more experienced and was supposed to win (at least on paper). Experience goes a long way in the fight business. Everyone looks good in the gym, but it's a totally different story when they get in the ring. I admit that losing that amount of weight in such a short time didn't do her any good, but I'm not going to assume that she would have won if not for the weight loss.

I'm not sure I understand what the difference is for a male or female to lose weight in an unhealthy manner. I would think that their performance can be affected no matter the gender.

Ok, I was under the impression that it was not her first fight but I'm glad you see my point. Just because it's a person first fight doesn't mean they will automatically loose.

You don't understand the difference between men vs women loosing weight in a unhealthy manner?

Before I explain let me see something first.

Do you understand that men are naturally stronger than women?
Do you understand that women are different then men when it comes to fat and fat loss?

Answer those questions and get back to me. ;)

[nockowt1]

Yes I understand that men are naturally stronger than women and I understand that fat loss is different between men and women. With that being said, losing too much weight in too short a period of time is dangerous for male and female alike (especially if they are involved in contact sports). From my personal experience having to cut weight was no fun at all. I was already in shape with a low bf (6%-10%) so I was basically cutting water and muscle. On top of that having to compete afterwards was even less fun. There was always the possibility of my opponent causing me harm because I probably wasn't as fast or strong after cutting. I learned to deal with it.

To be honest I don't think fighters/wrestlers have it the worst when it comes to losing weight. I think gymnasts have it much harder.

I don't think anyone should have to cut a ridiculous amount of weight to compete, but as consenting adults they need to understand the pro and cons of their chosen sport.

[stella summers]

Dammit, I need to get this network.

[Jon1989]

Dammit, I need to get this network.

I like your new avi alot! just my lil comment.

[Glen Quagmire]

I challenge you BOTH to provide me proof of a female wrestler, boxer, fighter, etc who lost 13 or more pounds and won their fight/match.

I don't want to hear bout some man doing it. Show me where the trainer, coach or the female athlete themselves lost 13 or more pounds within 3 days and won.

I'm going to say the famous Misc saying.

Pics/video or it didn't happen.

Oh and nockowt1 that was not her first fight she has fought many times before. They said so on the show. But lets play pretend. So let's pretend it was her first fight. Are you saying that just because it was her first fight she was suppose to loose?

I can't find any videos of girls cutting weight, I can't think many girls would want that taped, here are 2, first is a guy explaining cutting weight.
2nd is from the Ultimate fighter show, guy is trying to cut 4 lbs in about 90 min's. I am guessing you have not been exposed to this sort of thing, 13 lbs in 4 days is not that bad, FAR FROM EASY, but not that bad. Cutting weight sucks, no ifs , ands, or buts. I can assure you that being a professional fighter its part of the "job". You ever hear "the guy / gal took the fight on "blank" days notice" you can bet your a$$ some weight cutting went on. I can't find it, maybe somebody can find Bobby from TUF 1, he cuts 20+ lbs in 2 days ..... fights and wins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyYIQTnmoKw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK-spOf7Jg0

[goddessamazon]

I can't find any videos of girls cutting weight, I can't think many girls would want that taped, here are 2, first is a guy explaining cutting weight.
2nd is from the Ultimate fighter show, guy is trying to cut 4 lbs in about 90 min's. I am guessing you have not been exposed to this sort of thing, 13 lbs in 4 days is not that bad, FAR FROM EASY, but not that bad. Cutting weight sucks, no ifs , ands, or buts. I can assure you that being a professional fighter its part of the "job". You ever hear "the guy / gal took the fight on "blank" days notice" you can bet your a$$ some weight cutting went on. I can't find it, maybe somebody can find Bobby from TUF 1, he cuts 20+ lbs in 2 days ..... fights and wins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyYIQTnmoKw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK-spOf7Jg0


No thanks on watching the vids. I don't want to hear about some guy. How many times I have to say that? My point is that cutting that much weight in so few days will affect a woman's strength worst than a man's. I know this for a fact and guess what? I have a uterus.

That was my point in m OP. I box so I know about cutting but I never had to cut that much weight in a few days. Never!!!!! If I had to cut 13 pounds in 3 days I would decline to fight the next day. It would take at least a week or two to get my strength back. I said it before and I'll say it again. Loosing so much weight that fast made her weak. Very weak because doing that takes a bigger strain on a woman's body vs a man's body.

[Glen Quagmire]

that's the choice you can make, she did not choose to do that, fighting is a business, not always fair, but she chose to sign a contract and try and become a fighter ........ This girl wanted to be a fighter, she had little experience, if she is going to continue at it (at 130 ?) you can bet she won't let her weight get over 140 again. I agree with you that cutting 13 lbs at 143 is very rough, but it is very rough for a man to cut 9-10 % of his body weight. I actually admire that she did it, she is a fighter.

[goddessamazon]

that's the choice you can make, she did not choose to do that, fighting is a business, not always fair, but she chose to sign a contract and try and become a fighter ........ This girl wanted to be a fighter, she had little experience, if she is going to continue at it (at 130 ?) you can bet she won't let her weight get over 140 again. I agree with you that cutting 13 lbs at 143 is very rough, but it is very rough for a man to cut 9-10 % of his body weight. I actually admire that she did it, she is a fighter.

She was not overweight! That's my point. They tried to make her fit weight class below hers. The women who weighed 140 and up had already fought. Only the tiny girls were left. So in other words they tried to force a "Tyra Banks" into a dress made for "Kate Moss". That makes no sense.

Here's an example.

I'm 6'2" and the lowest I can weigh without looking like I'm on Heroin is 160 lbs.

There was a class in the south east division for a weight class of 140. Now if I wanted to fight in that match I needed to loose 30 - 35 pounds in a week. I'm not overweight now and weighing 170 at my height is damn good. But do you think I would win a match weighing 140? No!! I would look like a walking skeleton.

130 is not her weight class. They MADE her loose that much weight to fight another woman who was lighter than her. She was not 13 pounds overweight. Not by a long shot.


EDITED --- This was reality TV and not something that would normally happen in reality. This guy was not her personal coach or trainer. He was hired by a TV station. When you have a personal coach or trainer they care about you and want you to win. So I doubt very seriously that her REAL trainer would do that to her. This was for TV and TV only so you can't compare the two.

[buffandspirited]

I challenge you BOTH to provide me proof of a female wrestler, boxer, fighter, etc who lost 13 or more pounds and won their fight/match.

I don't want to hear bout some man doing it. Show me where the trainer, coach or the female athlete themselves lost 13 or more pounds within 3 days and won.



What's the difference between a man and a woman cutting weight? I know several wrestlers (personally) both men and women that will tell you over and over that for many fights they've had to drastically drop weight (water) and then refuel before the fight. It's her fault that she accepted a fight such as that if she knew she couldn't get her energy/strength back up before the match.

[buffandspirited]

EDITED --- This was reality TV and not something that would normally happen in reality. This guy was not her personal coach or trainer. He was hired by a TV station. When you have a personal coach or trainer they care about you and want you to win. So I doubt very seriously that her REAL trainer would do that to her. This was for TV and TV only so you can't compare the two.

Tons and tons of fighters accept matches in another weight class. It's a challenge to train for it and see if you'll win. That's the whole point. If you're trying to make a name for yourself as a fighter you sometimes do this. Really, it has nothing to do with TV or reality shows....this is reality in the sport. It also has NOTHING to do with being considered "overweight" or not....if she doesn't fit in a weight class...she's overweight and has to drop to fight an opponent that is. Do your research.

[goddessamazon]

Tons and tons of fighters accept matches in another weight class. It's a challenge to train for it and see if you'll win. That's the whole point. If you're trying to make a name for yourself as a fighter you sometimes do this. Really, it has nothing to do with TV or reality shows....this is reality in the sport. It also has NOTHING to do with being considered "overweight" or not....if she doesn't fit in a weight class...she's overweight and has to drop to fight an opponent that is. Do your research.

No you do your research and bring proof that a female fighter did this and won the fight. And don't come in here telling me about some damn man either. I love how you folks like to drift off the subject and bring up men issues in a female misc section.

Pic/video or written interview proving your statement about a FEMALE FIGHTER or everything you just said was a bunch of garbage.

I dare you to find proof.

Oh an remember! Uterus......not Prostate!


EDITED--- Just to make sure anyone else who respond don't get off the subject. My point is ......there is no documented proof that a female fighter, boxer or wrestler lost 13 or more pounds in 3 days and won a fight. None! If you disagree be sure to bring proof.

[Glen Quagmire]

There was a class in the south east division for a weight class of 140. Now if I wanted to fight in that match I needed to loose 30 - 35 pounds in a week. I'm not overweight now and weighing 170 at my height is damn good. But do you think I would win a match weighing 140? No!! I would look like a walking skeleton.

130 is not her weight class. They MADE her loose that much weight to fight another woman who was lighter than her. She was not 13 pounds overweight. Not by a long shot.


"There was a class in the south east division for a weight class of 140. Now if I wanted to fight in that match I needed to loose 30 - 35 pounds in a week."

she cut 13 lbs not 30-35, about a 9-10 % cut, fighters do this, you don't like it well don't do it !!! you are talking 20% + cut for you, I don't know of a person m/f that I think could do 40 lbs in 7 days 180 - 140 lbs

"130 is not her weight class. They MADE her loose that much weight to fight another woman who was lighter than her. She was not 13 pounds overweight. Not by a long shot."

Fighters in general fight at the lowest weight they can, there are fighters that can't cut weight well, so they fight at what they can, it's a fact. You say you belong to a boxing ask the guy / gal who runs it or the head trainer.
I watched the show 2x, I never heard her say that she fights at a higher weight?

a 10 % cut is not that big, you want video proof, well there is not much, hell there is only 1 guy on line video I can find, and there is a 2nd, it was on the same show different year(TUF) . So maybe this girl was a super woman, and you are correct NO other woman can cut 10 % weight in 3 days. I think there are other girls that have done, and will do it. You may not be able to do it or like it, may not even want to try, all well within your rights.

I do not belive I have seen a post calling her fat, most male professional boxers (middleweight on down) are not fat, however they cut 15 - 20 lbs before a fight, and damn near any unranked fighter would do that in 3 days for a fight that is shown on national TV. I again say ask the people at your boxing gym, why would they lie ? I think you will find they are not as alarmed as you are, also ask some fighters male or female around that gym, 10 % to get a national tv fight, see what they say.

I understand you do not care about males doing it .... I guess there are things men can do you (not all females) can not. I also think if you feel so strongly that ALL women fight CAN'T do it, how about some proof ? I think there are women that can do it, and for a fight on national tv would turn a flip for the chance. Since this is a BB'ng site there is probably a girl or 2 around here that cut some weight with a day or 3 before and event.

I don't think we will ever find a common gorund here, most (it seems guys) fighters / wrestlers, what have you , don't see cutting weight as that big a deal, it's just thought of as part of the sport.

[goddessamazon]

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there! I fixed it. :)


Look! Everything you are saying is a bunch of ant dookey. You are all talk and ZERO action.


Prove it or everything you say is a bunch of blah blah blah!

[Glen Quagmire]

blah blah blah, but you have offered exactly what proof it is not possible ?

[goddessamazon]

Debating 101

1. When person A states that there is no such thing as an unicorn and person B states that unicorns are real it is up to person B to provide proof. Not the other way around.

It is NOT up to person A to prove that unicorns don't exist. So in essence until person B can provide valid proof.........person A is right.

2. Stay on the subject. When person A says that chickens lay more than one egg do not talk about roosters! Roosters do not lay eggs and roosters have nothing to do with person A's point.

3. Say a lot but not saying anything. Or in this case, typing a lot of words that says a bunch of nothing. Boring people to death by being "long winded" is not a good technique for debating an issue.

4. If you can't prove your point (especially if you are person B) then accept defeat and move on.

[goddessamazon]

blah blah blah, but you have offered exactly what proof it is not possible ?

She lost 13 pounds in 3 days and lost the fight! There's my proof.

And just in case you rode the short bus to school let me break it down to you. I said that women fighters, boxers and wrestlers who loose that much weight in those few days loose a lot of strength making it impossible to win a fight. She lost the weight and lost the fight. My point has been proven.

Now you need to prove that it can be done. But we both know you can't do that don't we Mr Blah Blah Blah?

[Hunterchilla]

i think Gina Carano is amazingly hot on multiple levels, shes tough, she wears a bandana, shes cute in a real feminime type a way, + should could probably kick my ass

[Glen Quagmire]

I am unable to find Video proof of any cutting weight with females. I honestly feel like some of the other fighters that have posted, that it was not that big a deal. I did have a couple of the girls where I train, point out that she was out partying on the Eps. before. I did not see that Eps. so I do not know if it's true, this Eps. is the first I have seen. I can bet with all the reality tv shows, there will be tons more as they cost very little to make. I am sure there will be more fighting shows, and the weight cutting will come up again.
I only know in my own experience with wrestling and boxing , it was always easier to stay within fighting weight.Fighters mostly boxers, have different theory's on training some VERY respected trainers (Emanuel Stewart for 1) do not want the boxers they train to lift weights. The thing that brought me to this web site was learning to lose weight (fat) correctly, without just watching the scale to make sure the # went down. I don't agree, that a woman can't do it ..... but I can't find proof that one can either. I don't have proof God exists either, but I believe. I guess you are correct, and this can be put to rest.

[buffandspirited]

She lost 13 pounds in 3 days and lost the fight! There's my proof.

And just in case you rode the short bus to school let me break it down to you. I said that women fighters, boxers and wrestlers who loose that much weight in those few days loose a lot of strength making it impossible to win a fight. She lost the weight and lost the fight. My point has been proven.

Now you need to prove that it can be done. But we both know you can't do that don't we Mr Blah Blah Blah?

I'm AMAZED that a woman on a female bodybuilding forum would try to create such a difference in males/females and sports. Do you get told to lift low weights with heavy reps? Does it piss you off? Do you realize that to drop weight/gain muscle/increase endurance you have to work your ass off and lift heavy (and true body mass/weight/comp is determined by diet you're using along with those training methods)??? Males and females alike!!!! Please stop being so immature because you have nothing more relavent to say to the topic. Men or women, either one, must drop weight in sports that require weight classes. This is a simple fact. IF a FIGHTER (note: i didn't say male or female as they are both legitimate fighters) chooses to fight someone in another weight class, that is their choice they are making to drop weight to be able compete. They didn't make her drop weight so she'd look better in a dress and heels...it was done so to make the fight a more fair/comparable match.

[nockowt1]

She lost 13 pounds in 3 days and lost the fight! There's my proof.

And just in case you rode the short bus to school let me break it down to you. I said that women fighters, boxers and wrestlers who loose that much weight in those few days loose a lot of strength making it impossible to win a fight. She lost the weight and lost the fight. My point has been proven.

Now you need to prove that it can be done. But we both know you can't do that don't we Mr Blah Blah Blah?

Miriam lost 10lbs in 2 days and won by TKO against a Thai champion. So it is in fact possible to win after cutting weight.

[Senor Awesome]

13 pounds of WATER & Gycogen depletion is not at all uncommon. The more muscle you have, the easier.

Start five days out, incrimentally lower your water intake and carb intake , then make weight. Then a recarb/rehydration up.
Inexperiance nailed her.

I find your attitude incredibly pretentious , at best.

In the end, if you cannot make said weight and perform at a high level, fight at a weight where you can.

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