VaughnTrue's - Bold + SD GOING OUT WITH A BANG! stack

[VaughnTrue]

VaughnTrue's Going Out With a Bang Log




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This cycle should look a little something like this...

Weeks 1-5: Bold @ 800mg/day
Weeks 6-8: Bold @ 800mg/day, M-Drol 20mg/day


Since I will be starting this tomorrow, that does give me enough time to be insane, run to the store and pick up trenadrol as well to use as a kickstart...should I? I know that would be voodoo's exact Hulk Stack just at different doses :D

If I did, the stack would look like

Weeks 1-4: Bold @ 800mg/day, Trenadrol @6mg/day
Week 5: Bold @ 800mg/day
Weeks 6-8: Bold @ 800mg/day, M-Drol 20mg/day

I am using M-drol instead of any other SD clone due to a few different reasons. Competitive Edge Labs has without question some of the best customer service reps I have ever spoken with, and on top of that, their online representation is phenomenal. This doesn't hurt either though....

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My diet has been damn perfect these past 3 months, and this will not change for this cycle.

The bulk of my protein will come from lean chicken breast. I will be eating 3lbs of chicken breast every day. That will leave me with 300grams of protein every day from an animal source, as well at 75 grams a day from Whey, and 25 or so grams from oats. My carb sources will be vegetables(which will not be counted to daily totals as I usually don't eat too many), oats(90% most likely), and sweet potatoes.

So... 400 grams of protein a day = 1600 calories
350 grams of carbs a day = 1400 calories
100-150 grams of fat a day = 900-1350
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Total calories: 3900-4350



I don't feel like posting my entire routine(nothing new here), but will continue to do what works...12 sets per muscle group, 3-4 exercises. I will be incorporating some "pyramid" style lifting during this cycle which I normally do not do(IE using 4 sets on an exercise where each set gets progressively heavier, yet less reps are performed).


Starting video/stats will be taken tonight after I get home from the gym

wooo!

[B P Spin]

BANG!

(Don't worry, I won't hold you to your "last" pledge.)

[VaughnTrue]

BANG!

(Don't worry, I won't hold you to your "last" pledge.)

no no...its for real.

:D


too many other fun things to try to stay messin with this nonsense

[VaughnTrue]

who thinks I should add trenadrol in @ 6mg/day for the first 4 weeks?

[DrnkMnky]

who thinks I should add trenadrol in @ 6mg/day for the first 4 weeks?

I'm glad your logging this!

Tren would be a great addition, but it might take away from you knowing exactly how BOLD effects you solo.

[ZDub212]

who thinks I should add trenadrol in @ 6mg/day for the first 4 weeks?

The skies the limit...do it up VT!

[Mr. Aries]

you better look ridiculous by the end of this cycle.. heh

[leonidas300]

Like the lab results on the Bold, good luck with the log.

[masterdine]

how long has it been since ur last cycle?

[VaughnTrue]

how long has it been since ur last cycle?

6-8 weeks now.


All my blood work is good, and my test levels are just as high as before my havoc cycle. I feel better than ever before and I know when I'm ready or not. I dont advise others to wait this little inbetween cycles, but I have the feeling this will be just fine :-)




Mr. Aries...you mean I dont already?

that's not what you said in that Holiday Inn Express room.

[10TonBrick]

why run the Mdrol at the end?

IMO the beginning would be better because it would "kickstart" the cycle. ten once the SD is over the bold will kick in and the gains will continue, and it will also help to solidify the SD gains. i think overall gains/retention would be better this way. but i could be wrong.

just wondering

[VaughnTrue]

why run the Mdrol at the end?

IMO the beginning would be better because it would "kickstart" the cycle. ten once the SD is over the bold will kick in and the gains will continue, and it will also help to solidify the SD gains. i think overall gains/retention would be better this way. but i could be wrong.

just wondering

Cholesterol is a problem in my family, and I don't feel like playing with an entire fire here...just matches :-).

So, my reasoning would be if I kickstart the bold with Tren, have the bold kick in nicely just before I hit the SD, I will get all the mass I physically CAN add, and then get my cholesterol back to normal asap. I don't like the idea of my cholesterol being over 300(possibly, not that it WILL happen) for 8 full weeks.

[VaughnTrue]

how do I embed a youtube video? I have a starting video of me from tonight

[DriverDan]

who thinks I should add trenadrol in @ 6mg/day for the first 4 weeks?
Do it! The more Tren + Bold logs the better :)

[VaughnTrue]

Do it! The more Tren + Bold logs the better :)

hahaha is that what you plan on doing?

[DriverDan]

how do I embed a youtube video? I have a starting video of me from tonight
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Example: jBS-diQKlds

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[BreakingPoint8]

Talk about going out with a bang geesh lol. That's one hell of a stack.

[gountilfailure0]

was looking into trenadrol myself bro ur diet looks great very similiar to mine when i bulked just the added wheat bread :P good luck

[DriverDan]

hahaha is that what you plan on doing?
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:D

[Mr. Aries]

sd + pheraplex + m1t

[getbustered]

Looks like you are entering Beast-mode. Good luck with that. :D

[VaughnTrue]

sd + pheraplex + m1t

see...id sound crazy if I had 3 methyls here.


but I only have 1.



this isnt THAT insane and I'd put it as "less insane" than a PP/SD bridge which is quite common place.

[leonidas300]

sd + pheraplex + m1t

Would Gaspari's Novedex be enough for PCT?

[ZDub212]

Would Gaspari's Novedex be enough for PCT?

Don't forget the milk thistle!!!!

[Mr. Aries]

this isnt THAT insane and I'd put it as "less insane" than a PP/SD bridge which is quite common place.


lmao... PP/SD bridge.. haha.. people are crazy these days.



I'd like to bridge creatine with kicks to the groin please!

[kappaz]

Would Gaspari's Novedex be enough for PCT?

Nah, that's too strong. All you need is T-bomb II. :D

[kappaz]

Subscribed.


Cholesterol is a problem in my family, and I don't feel like playing with an entire fire here...just matches :-).

So, my reasoning would be if I kickstart the bold with Tren, have the bold kick in nicely just before I hit the SD, I will get all the mass I physically CAN add, and then get my cholesterol back to normal asap. I don't like the idea of my cholesterol being over 300(possibly, not that it WILL happen) for 8 full weeks.

Good point.

[iForce Dave]

Jeeeez Vaughn, I feel like im stalking you, Ive got this review on like 3 forums haha!

But it will be an awesome cycle. We can show everyone iForce dont mess around!

Now go move some heavy ass weight!
And eat!

[vazquez]

vt,

hypothetically what if you were to add testabolan to your - m-drol/bold/trenadrol stack, what would it look like? also, would it be a good idea to add it?

[dirtydean12]

:eek: ur gonna be a monster!!

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[VaughnTrue]

vt,

hypothetically what if you were to add testabolan to your - m-drol/bold/trenadrol stack, what would it look like? also, would it be a good idea to add it?

no hypothetically about it.


ill be running testobolan the entire 8 weeks, 2 in the am 2 before bed.

[Eyedentify]

Holy **** I'm late for the party!

Well that is some psychotic stack :eek::eek::eek:

This Trenadrol really sparks my interest, looks like I have to do more research on it. Hey Vaughn, do you know how long is the half-life and the AA ratio for it?

[vazquez]

no hypothetically about it.


ill be running testobolan the entire 8 weeks, 2 in the am 2 before bed.

awesome vt, i must have overlooked that info in your opening post. awesome info. i've been emailing back and forth with mr. nelson. iForce definitely has excellent customer support.

i'm about to purchase testabolan to run as a standalone. i've learned alot from your posts and threads. this one will be no exception.

[VaughnTrue]

awesome vt, i must have overlooked that info in your opening post. awesome info. i've been emailing back and forth with mr. nelson. iForce definitely has excellent customer support.

i'm about to purchase testabolan to run as a standalone. i've learned alot from your posts and threads. this one will be no exception.

well, if you feel so inclined, let Dave know how much of a help I've been :-D never hurts to butter up the boss!

[VaughnTrue]

Here is a video of me last night, about 30 minutes after my workout. I lost a good bit of pump by then, but I think I'm still looking pretty decent. The lighting is bad, and the commentary is interesting, but here it is!

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[Eyedentify]

Looking good. Your lat spread pose is definitely the best

[DriverDan]

I'd like to bridge creatine with kicks to the groin please!
That could be arranged :D


This Trenadrol really sparks my interest, looks like I have to do more research on it. Hey Vaughn, do you know how long is the half-life and the AA ratio for it?
Unfortunately no one knows what it actually is so it's pretty hard to answer questions about it.


Here is a video of me last night, about 30 minutes after my workout. I lost a good bit of pump by then, but I think I'm still looking pretty decent. The lighting is bad, and the commentary is interesting, but here it is!
The commentary made me think it was going to turn into a porno.

[getbustered]

I need your wife/girlfriend to take some pictures of me with that commentary. I think it would do wonders for my self-confidence. She should be a motivational speaker. ;)

Seriously, you are lucky to have someone that supports you and offers encouragement. Heartwarming.


Now, you know what comes next......noodz or negs? j/k :D

[Eyedentify]

Unfortunately no one knows what it actually is so it's pretty hard to answer questions about it.


Ah okay, you're right, I've been doing some reading on Trenadrol and people seems to be saying they can't be sure what is in it, and the dose seems weird like it used be to 3 mg and then it got replaced to 30 mg, because of something that has to with the FDA. I don't know what is happening behind all this, but at this moment I probably wouldn't trust Trenadrol very much.



The commentary made me think it was going to turn into a porno.


I need your wife/girlfriend to take some pictures of me with that commentary. I think it would do wonders for my self-confidence. She should be a motivational speaker. ;)

Seriously, you are lucky to have someone that supports you and offers encouragement. Heartwarming.


Now, you know what comes next......noodz or negs? j/k :D

Haha!! :D

[DriverDan]

Ah okay, you're right, I've been doing some reading on Trenadrol and people seems to be saying they can't be sure what is in it, and the dose seems weird like it used be to 3 mg and then it got replaced to 30 mg, because of something that has to with the FDA. I don't know what is happening behind all this, but at this moment I probably wouldn't trust Trenadrol very much.
Yeah, I'm very torn on Trenadrol. Everyone who has used it since they changed the label to 30mg has had nothing but good to say about it with minimal sides. On the other hand I don't like putting unknown substances into my body.

[VaughnTrue]

had a bit of a late start today...but just took my first doses. 200mg/bold, 60mg/tren, 2 pills testobolan.



My support supps like stated are a lot of cycle support as well as garlic extract(a TON of it), and Coq10.

how does every dose their coq10? I have 100mg pills

[vazquez]

well, if you feel so inclined, let Dave know how much of a help I've been :-D never hurts to butter up the boss!

on my opening email i told him i was following your threads, i mentioned you by your bb.com username. i'm waiting for a store to start sellin bold200/testabolan stacks, so i can buy.

[Thatsall]

Oral-Turinabol is what i will be taking a cycle of for about 6-8 weeks at 40mg a day and i was wondering if i could stack 1,4 ad bold at 600mg a day since it isnt methylated? and should i stack it in the beginning or end?

[VaughnTrue]

Oral-Turinabol is what i will be taking a cycle of for about 6-8 weeks at 40mg a day and i was wondering if i could stack 1,4 ad bold at 600mg a day since it isnt methylated? and should i stack it in the beginning or end?

oral-turinabol is a halodrol clone, no?


why run 40mg? seems a bit low...i wasn't impressed with halodrol-50 at 50mg/day



600mg/day of bold+ oral turinabol would be a great LEAN mass builder. The extra hunger from bold is whats really gonna make you GAIN on that cycle. HD is more for recomp imo

[VaughnTrue]

Ok, day 1 is in the record books. So far I've eaten 344grams of carbs, 363 grams of protein, and 82 grams of fat. Still have 1 meal left so hitting 350/400/100 will be no sweat.


Today I did Hamstrings and Calves(my shortest workout day)

Hamstrings:
Laying Leg Curl: 1x160x12, 4x170x12
Individual Leg Curl: 4x80x12
Horizontal Leg Press: 4x160(not exact weight...pulley machine)x12

Calves:
Donkey Calf Raise: 6x220x12
45 degree Calf Raise: 5x225x12






Pretty good workout overall...cant wait till the Tren kicks in.

[Thatsall]

oral turinabol is an oral steroid with a low androgenic effect yet highly anabolic

[10TonBrick]

Cholesterol is a problem in my family, and I don't feel like playing with an entire fire here...just matches :-).

So, my reasoning would be if I kickstart the bold with Tren, have the bold kick in nicely just before I hit the SD, I will get all the mass I physically CAN add, and then get my cholesterol back to normal asap. I don't like the idea of my cholesterol being over 300(possibly, not that it WILL happen) for 8 full weeks.

ahh i see

if its a prob, then why are you running the lipid killer known as SD? lol

you could run a test cycle, with even drol or dbol and have it be less harsh on the lipids..just wondering

[MattyH7688]

Here is a video of me last night, about 30 minutes after my workout. I lost a good bit of pump by then, but I think I'm still looking pretty decent. The lighting is bad, and the commentary is interesting, but here it is!

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lol, ur girlfriend makes me laugh

[skinny buckeye]

wow! interesting experiment. will have to follow this.

also curious about the cholesterol issue. you mention family has high cholest. what do you plan to take to try to mitigate that? my lipids got seriously fouled up after only 2 weeks on havoc, cant imagine tren/sd/bold all together...

[VaughnTrue]

ahh i see

if its a prob, then why are you running the lipid killer known as SD? lol

you could run a test cycle, with even drol or dbol and have it be less harsh on the lipids..just wondering


wow! interesting experiment. will have to follow this.

also curious about the cholesterol issue. you mention family has high cholest. what do you plan to take to try to mitigate that? my lipids got seriously fouled up after only 2 weeks on havoc, cant imagine tren/sd/bold all together...



I am running this PH cycle due to the fact that I got the Bold for free(perk of repping) and I wanted to prepare for my first contest this november. I had GREAT results with havoc/prop so I have to admit, I just felt like pushing the envelope.

I am running cycle support, eatting more plain oatmeal than Mr. Quaker himself(helps reduce cholesterol a little), taking a TON of supplemental garlic, Coq10, and 9-12 grams of fishoil a day.


The test+dbol cycle sounds fun...this winter will most likely be my first injectable

[10TonBrick]

I am running this PH cycle due to the fact that I got the Bold for free(perk of repping) and I wanted to prepare for my first contest this november. I had GREAT results with havoc/prop so I have to admit, I just felt like pushing the envelope.

I am running cycle support, eatting more plain oatmeal than Mr. Quaker himself(helps reduce cholesterol a little), taking a TON of supplemental garlic, Coq10, and 9-12 grams of fishoil a day.


The test+dbol cycle sounds fun...this winter will most likely be my first injectable

ahh i see.

good luck bro, those first time inject HURT!

[Kernkraft]

I've been dosing COQ-10 once a day (100mg) but I'm only doing 11-OXO and furazadrol... but also taking hawthorne berry, ryr, and policosanol... considering your sick sized stack I'd dose it twice a day... I assume you're taking tons of garlic for cholesterol and/or antioxidant reasons?

btw, subbed.

[VaughnTrue]

I've been dosing COQ-10 once a day (100mg) but I'm only doing 11-OXO and furazadrol... but also taking hawthorne berry, ryr, and policosanol... considering your sick sized stack I'd dose it twice a day... I assume you're taking tons of garlic for cholesterol and/or antioxidant reasons?

btw, subbed.

antioxidant is only a nice bonus...its for cholesterol lowering and I have a lot of faith in it.


If my cholesterol is out of this world high by 2 weeks after PCT I'll be surprised. I doubt it will be higher than 250 at the highest...and then I will get it well under control within the next few months.

[aoba]

imo kick the m-drol or trenadrol, trenadrol is a progestin i think so that really might cause some hardcore libido shutdown unless you have some really nice/expensive ancilliaries and are willing to take the risks they come with i.e. caber.

[VaughnTrue]

imo kick the m-drol or trenadrol, trenadrol is a progestin i think so that really might cause some hardcore libido shutdown unless you have some really nice/expensive ancilliaries and are willing to take the risks they come with i.e. caber.

caber?


I'm not worried about "libido" just ability to perform. Not much can get rid of my libido :D

[MattyH7688]

caber?


I'm not worried about "libido" just ability to perform. Not much can get rid of my libido :D

cabergoline

[VaughnTrue]

cabergoline

wikipedia doesnt make it sound to nice...no thanks.

[stoo]

Gook luck on the cycle, the commentary to your vid is priceless. You are a lucky man

[DriverDan]

imo kick the m-drol or trenadrol, trenadrol is a progestin i think so that really might cause some hardcore libido shutdown unless you have some really nice/expensive ancilliaries and are willing to take the risks they come with i.e. caber.
What makes you think that? No one knows what Trenadrol is.

[VaughnTrue]

What makes you think that? No one knows what Trenadrol is.

We don't know EXACTLY what it is...but we can make educated guesses.


The pill is already in its active form, so it's not a PH, its a DS.

Users report similar sides/effects to Tren the steroid.

Dinoiii/PA I believe both commented that Trenadrol is similar to actual Tren, however it is slightly different, making it less potent, but incredibly strong nontheless.

[DriverDan]

Wait, is real tren a progestin? Is that what he was referring to? I'm not very edumacated when it comes to steroids.

[VaughnTrue]

Wait, is real tren a progestin? Is that what he was referring to? I'm not very edumacated when it comes to steroids.

I dont believe so...so I have no clue why he claimed it was a progestin. Propadrol is a progestin I believe, but not Trenadrol.

[VaughnTrue]

Amazing workout tonight...did shoulders/traps/abs

Abs

Behind the head plate decline sit ups : 4x25x16
Hanging Knee ups : 4xbodyweightx16
Seated ab machine : 4x100x12

Shoulders

Smith Military Press(behind the neck) : 3 warm up sets, 3x165x12
Individual Lateral Raise : 3x25x12
Forward Raise : 3x48x12
Rear Flys : 3x130x12

Traps

Smith Machine Shrugs : 6x275x12
Dumbbell Shrugs : 6x90x12




No real "effects" to notice yet...still too early.



stay tuned kids

[skinny buckeye]

I dont believe so...so I have no clue why he claimed it was a progestin. Propadrol is a progestin I believe, but not Trenadrol.

Tren is indeed a progestin... FWIW

[VaughnTrue]

Tren is indeed a progestin... FWIW

learn something new every day

[VaughnTrue]

Woke up this morning to a wonderful surprise...my bf% is definitely shrinking quickly. This is definitely a result of my current diet, but its way too fast to be only diet as I've been eating perfect for 3-4 months now.

Abs detail showing through MUCH more. Weight is actually a little low, but I'm not expecting much weight gain until weeks 2-3

[VaughnTrue]

did quads/calves.


Normally takes me about 75-80 minutes to complete quad/calves day...but not today.


I was so insanely focused/on top of things I was out in about 50-55minutes.


Feeling AMAZING.

[VaughnTrue]

Did Ab's/Pecs/Bi's today...


Ab's and Pecs went great...20lbs up on the hammer strength bench press which was nice, however I've started to notice some serious drying of my joints from the trenadrol.


I think the tren was making me lose a LOT of water weight for the first few days (by means of explosive toilet trips) and this may be the direct cause of some wrist pain during biceps today.


I picked up 2 bottles of taurine and 2 bottles of potassium to help

[JHICKS3301]

Looking solid man. I'll be keeping up

[Kernkraft]

Did Ab's/Pecs/Bi's today...


Ab's and Pecs went great...20lbs up on the hammer strength bench press which was nice, however I've started to notice some serious drying of my joints from the trenadrol.


I think the tren was making me lose a LOT of water weight for the first few days (by means of explosive toilet trips) and this may be the direct cause of some wrist pain during biceps today.


I picked up 2 bottles of taurine and 2 bottles of potassium to help

what do you have for joint relief? grab some super cissus rx if you need to (works wonders for me)

[racerxj17]

OT- im starting my cycle soon, which is similar. i am running the mdrol and bold alone, though. i was planning on running the bold for 6 weeks, and the mdrol for 4. would it be nec. to run my pct for the mdrol while on the bold, or wait till i am done with it? insight is appriciated.

[iForce Dave]

YO Vaughn!

Looking good in the vid!

I can just see you now, waiting by the mailbox. JK bro, it will come tomorrow and all will be good.

Your diet is AWESOME! Its nice to see when people consistently getmore than 300g of protein and lots of carbs and fats. Nothing worse than logs of people sho dont know how to eat!

[VaughnTrue]

what do you have for joint relief? grab some super cissus rx if you need to (works wonders for me)

I need to save some $$$ up before I can buy any more supps...so exactly what I've outlined in this log is what I'm using.


OT- im starting my cycle soon, which is similar. i am running the mdrol and bold alone, though. i was planning on running the bold for 6 weeks, and the mdrol for 4. would it be nec. to run my pct for the mdrol while on the bold, or wait till i am done with it? insight is appriciated.
wait until you're done with everything.



YO Vaughn!

Looking good in the vid!

I can just see you now, waiting by the mailbox. JK bro, it will come tomorrow and all will be good.

Your diet is AWESOME! Its nice to see when people consistently getmore than 300g of protein and lots of carbs and fats. Nothing worse than logs of people sho dont know how to eat!

still no package bro...you're KILLING me.

[DriverDan]

Your diet is AWESOME! Its nice to see when people consistently getmore than 300g of protein and lots of carbs and fats. Nothing worse than logs of people sho dont know how to eat!
Yeah no kidding! I can't stand it when I see people on a PH stack bitching about not making gains and then finding out they eat 3 small meals a day. Sorry but your body obeys the laws of thermodynamics. You can't create something out of nothing.

[Eyedentify]

Yeah no kidding! I can't stand it when I see people on a PH stack bitching about not making gains and then finding out they eat 3 small meals a day. Sorry but your body obeys the laws of thermodynamics. You can't create something out of nothing.

LOL! Like that guy at DA. :D

[rj71]

VT...with that HUGE amount of carbs, are you worried about your abs or waist?
Have you upped cardio? If so, how much are you doing?

[VaughnTrue]

VT...with that HUGE amount of carbs, are you worried about your abs or waist?
Have you upped cardio? If so, how much are you doing?

huge amount of carbs?


350 grams of carbs really isnt much...I have lost a good amount of bf in the past week...my abs are looking AWESOME if i do say so myself.



I will be upping my calories even more when I start the superdrol.

[rj71]

How much Cardio you doing?

[VaughnTrue]

How much Cardio you doing?

i dont do cardio while on cycle. enough bp issues to worry about without it.


i do increase the intensity of my workouts though, i usually finish 2 muscle groups + abs(a total of 36 sets) in an hour to 75 minutes. this is enough to get me completely drenched and sucking wind.

[rj71]

OK...but doing it while on BOLD should be OK, right?
No problems with it?

[DriverDan]

huge amount of carbs?

350 grams of carbs really isnt much...I have lost a good amount of bf in the past week...my abs are looking AWESOME if i do say so myself.
350 g isn't much, I ate 480g (66g fiber) today :)

[VaughnTrue]

350 g isn't much, I ate 480g (66g fiber) today :)

exactly...


ill be at 450 while on the SD.


Im using the bold+tren to help me lower some bf/gain a few lbs of lean mass, so that by the time I hit the SD, all my gains will be lean and noticeable. I do not want to gain a lot of fat so my contest prep is as easy as possible...I am very prone to cortisol while dieting, so the less hard dieting I have to do, the more muscle I'll have on stage.

[racerxj17]

go big or go home......bump the m-drol to 30mgs a day...

[VaughnTrue]

go big or go home......bump the m-drol to 30mgs a day...

do you say this from personal experience? or just shortsighted excitedness?


there is a possibility I will run the sd at 30mg/day, however thats only if the gains at 20mg arent what I want/if my body can handle it. A lot of people say that 30mg only caused more sides while gains remained the same...I am not looking to cause more sides no matter what.



When I used Havoc I noticed that when I "went big or went home" 40mg was a waste of not only my $$$ but my time. I didn't gain a bit better on 40mg than I did on 30mg.

[rj71]

Taco Bell 7 Layer Burritos are great for Bulk !
Protein/carbs/some fat

[VaughnTrue]

Taco Bell 7 Layer Burritos are great for Bulk !
Protein/carbs/some fat

uhhhhh no



chicken, beef, oats + peanut butter are good for a bulk.

[rj71]

Yep...got those all covered except beef...hate it !
I make up with Scallops and Shrimp !

But for real.....7 layer burritos every so often (NOT every day) are the goodzzzz!

[DriverDan]

Yep...got those all covered except beef...hate it !
I make up with Scallops and Shrimp !

But for real.....7 layer burritos every so often (NOT every day) are the goodzzzz!
I don't even want to know how much fat is in those. I'm sure it's waaaaaay too much.

[iForce Dave]

Haha, yes the taco bell diet!

[VaughnTrue]

Haha, yes the taco bell diet!

yo quiero grande waist.

[VaughnTrue]

bold was @ 600mg/day for the past 2 days due to running out when I thought I wouldn't...however, I got the rest of my stuff in, so back to 800mg/day starting today.

[VaughnTrue]

Another amazing workout tonight...


Did Abs/Triceps/Back

everything went perfectly.


Got a few people at the gym telling me I'm looking "MUCH thicker than normal"



November 18th can't come quick enough...damn I cant wait to step on stage

[skinny buckeye]

you really eatin 3lbs of chicken everyday? if so thats the most impressive part! thats like what, 9 breasts a day?

[VaughnTrue]

you really eatin 3lbs of chicken everyday? if so thats the most impressive part! thats like what, 9 breasts a day?

yea, I really am.


this is my EXACT diet.


Meal 1 - 2 cups Oats, 2 scoops ON 100% whey

Meal 2 - 2 cups oats, 1 8oz chx breast(smart balance butter)

Meal 3 - 2 cups oats, 1 8oz chx breast(smart balance butter)

Meal 4 - 1 8oz chx breast(smart balance butter)

Meal 5(Post workout) - 1 scoop iPower, 1 scoop ON 100% whey

Meal 6 - 1 8oz chx breast(smart balance butter)

Meal 7 - 1 8oz chx breast(smart balance butter)

Meal 8 - 1 8oz chx breast(smart balance butter)

Meal 9 - 2 scoops Muscle Milk

[Beejis60]

http://a691.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/104/l_1c24a1d1d800fdfadd11c56ecf7fe40a.jpg

I roll my eyes at Alston Sykes and RTP labs. I've spoke with this douche rocket twice and he is quite hesitant to give out any specifics about him, his company, and his background....

But I'm scribed; me likes 1,4 AD!!!

PS- I love your diet, it's so basic yet wonderful!!!

[VaughnTrue]

I roll my eyes at Alston Sykes and RTP labs. I've spoke with this douche rocket twice and he is quite hesitant to give out any specifics about him, his company, and his background....

But I'm scribed; me likes 1,4 AD!!!

PS- I love your diet, it's so basic yet wonderful!!!

While I do agree that lab testing can be altered/faulty, I have no reason to believe that CEL makes anything but some of the best clones on the market. Their cusomter service + online representation is absolutely stellar to say the least, so I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt and run the hell out of m-drol!


appreciate the diet comment! sure gets old eating like that, but I've gotten pretty used to it.

I throw veggies in here and there(a few times per week), as often as I can, however I do not add these carbs to my totals. I have always had a hard time making myself eat veggies and probably went a good 15 years of my life without eating a single bite.

[Absolute0]

Going out with a bang! Nice log i'll follow

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/absolute035/VT.jpg

[VaughnTrue]

Going out with a bang! Nice log i'll follow

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/absolute035/VT.jpg

hells yea!!!!


haha that made my night bro

[iForce Dave]

hells yea!!!!


haha that made my night bro

haha that was pretty funny.

Glad this all worked out!

Back to 800mg!

[racerxj17]

do you say this from personal experience? or just shortsighted excitedness?


there is a possibility I will run the sd at 30mg/day, however thats only if the gains at 20mg arent what I want/if my body can handle it. A lot of people say that 30mg only caused more sides while gains remained the same...I am not looking to cause more sides no matter what.



When I used Havoc I noticed that when I "went big or went home" 40mg was a waste of not only my $$$ but my time. I didn't gain a bit better on 40mg than I did on 30mg.

my last ph cycle i bumped it to 30 mgs in the end with some reasonable gains. i am going to be running bold at 600 and 30 mgs m drol starting this week, so unforunatly i do not have too much personal experience on 20 or 30. good luck.

[rj71]

22g FAT
65g Carbs
13g Fiber
16g Protein

[VaughnTrue]

22g FAT
65g Carbs
13g Fiber
16g Protein

yea...on an insanely dirty bulk, i can see eating 1 paired with a protein shake, but do you really wanna throw those proportions into your body? 65 grams carbs with only 16 grams protein? no thanks

[B-baldy]

I've been following. Looks like a pretty intense cycle. It'll be interesting to see what kind of gains you get from this .
Got me thinking anyway .........dammit :D

[iForce Dave]

Vaughn, I was wondering why you structure your carb intake the way that you do.

2 cups of oats is what 104g Carbs? In one serving?
Why do you skip carbs in the last meals?
(obviously i know some reasons why you would)

But I am curious for why you chose this protocol.

[nbs991]

maybe i missed it, but did you pre-load any support supp's (saw palmetto, hawthorne berry) and/or are you taking any on cycle (multi, fish oil, b-complex, RYR, coq10, etc)

[VaughnTrue]

Vaughn, I was wondering why you structure your carb intake the way that you do.

2 cups of oats is what 104g Carbs? In one serving?
Why do you skip carbs in the last meals?
(obviously i know some reasons why you would)

But I am curious for why you chose this protocol.

I find I stay much trimmer when I get all my carbs in before 5pm or so. It also helps me stop carb cravings late at night when I know I can only eat protein/fat. I like keeping my GI as low as possible as often as possible(I buy into GI 100%)


maybe i missed it, but did you pre-load any support supp's (saw palmetto, hawthorne berry) and/or are you taking any on cycle (multi, fish oil, b-complex, RYR, coq10, etc)

I preloaded Milk Thistle...thats about it to be honest.


On cycle I am taking
-a multi
-9-12 grams of fishoil a day
-RYR is in my Cycle Support(which also has every other herb I'll need)
-300mg CoQ10 a day
-5 grams taurine
-600mg potassium

[wintergear]

VT, just curious but is there any particular reason you chose trenadrol over tren xtreme by American Cellular Labs. I was wondering because I have detected a stronger buzz surrounding the ACL tren ph. Was one just cheaper/more available or do you think trenadrol is superior?

Your diet made me gain a new level of respect for you, subbed.

[Kernkraft]

2 scoops of dry oats normally equals only 50 grams of carbs...

[redhawk76]

2 scoops of dry oats normally equals only 50 grams of carbs...

false, 2 scoops (cups) oats = 600 calories, ~108 g carbs :)

[VaughnTrue]

2 scoops of dry oats normally equals only 50 grams of carbs...


false, 2 scoops (cups) oats = 600 calories, ~108 g carbs :)

1 serving = 1/2 cup

so thats 4 servings = 108 carbs

[DriverDan]

I recommend everyone weigh their oats to make sure the weight and measurement match up. The nutrition label says 1/2 cup = 40g, but in reality 1/2 cup is like 50g.

[VaughnTrue]

awesome workouts these past few days...my intensity/drive has been through the roof.

still noticing nice leaning out in the abs(will take more video at end of week 2) and all of my lifts are going up little by little...even random things like donkey calf raises are up 20lbs.



cant wait to kick in the Mdrol!!!!

[Travis71902]

Your diet makes me want to kill myself...subbed regardless.

Good Luck Man!!!!

[VaughnTrue]

Your diet makes me want to kill myself...subbed regardless.

Good Luck Man!!!!

it makes YOU want to kill yourself?



yea...you're preaching to the choir here buddy boy.

[Travis71902]

it makes YOU want to kill yourself?



yea...you're preaching to the choir here buddy boy.

Good point. Takes some serious heart to eat like that for 8 weeks religiously.

At least throw in some tuna and extra lean ground beef...jus sayin

[VaughnTrue]

Good point. Takes some serious heart to eat like that for 8 weeks religiously.

try 4-5 months.


I start cutting for a show in november after this cycle.

[Travis71902]

try 4-5 months.


I start cutting for a show in november after this cycle.

Fuk that. I could handle the OAts, but the relentless chicken breast would make me ouke.

[VaughnTrue]

Fuk that. I could handle the OAts, but the relentless chicken breast would make me ouke.

opposite for me...


the oats are SO hard to consume. they take up so much room in my stomach.


i have to blend them with 2 cups water + 2-3 teaspoons of cinnamon and CHUG them down. then I eat the chicken breast.


it is pure self-torture.

[VaughnTrue]

i want something that tastes good so badly, that I honestly just considered melting a tablespoon or two of smart balance butter, and lapping it up with my tongue.

[DriverDan]

There are a lot of ways to make oats taste good. I cook them in milk instead of water and add chopped apples, blueberries, banana, or strawberries. It only takes a few minutes to microwave it.

[gountilfailure0]

i just add ground cinnamon to my oats improves the taste for me

[gountilfailure0]

cinnamon with oats = great combo :D

[VaughnTrue]

There are a lot of ways to make oats taste good. I cook them in milk instead of water and add chopped apples, blueberries, banana, or strawberries. It only takes a few minutes to microwave it.

all simple carbohydrates...no thank you.



good ideas though...simple carbs do not fit into my macros.

[VaughnTrue]

Weight is still constant...however bf is definitely lower.

using a caliper and 3 site testing I'm currently at 10.3% Bf according to http://www.linear-software.com/online.html

and I started at 12.3. So although weight is constant...2% bf drop in 2 weeks?


I don't know if I believe it personally.




My fat intake was a little low for a few days as I ran out of a doable fat source, so I just stopped trimming my chicken breast. However, now I've got my smart balance butter back, so a nice tablespoon or two per chicken breast helps add the healthy mono-unsaturated's on nicely.

[Kernkraft]

If you need some flavoring without the cals check out Da Vinci or Torani sugar free syrups... really goes a long long way with oats. I put in an order the other day for 16 bottles of various flavors. I cook my oats, throw in some almonds and raisins at the end and then throw it in a bowl, add two tablespoons of some flavored sugar free syrup, stick it in the freezer for 15-30 and it tastes great.

Btw loss of 2% in BF is impressive.

[Kernkraft]

false, 2 scoops (cups) oats = 600 calories, ~108 g carbs :)


1 serving = 1/2 cup

so thats 4 servings = 108 carbs


I recommend everyone weigh their oats to make sure the weight and measurement match up. The nutrition label says 1/2 cup = 40g, but in reality 1/2 cup is like 50g.

Oh this is hogwash, I'm going downstairs to check my oats and going to calorie-count.com brb.

1/2 cup of oats = yes 40 grams in WEIGHT, but in carbs = 23-25grams

So initially I was wrong and tired as usual, but redhawk was right (of course), Vaugh was right, and I think I'm just plain wrong and need sleep.

[DriverDan]

Oh this is hogwash, I'm going downstairs to check my oats and going to calorie-count.com brb.

1/2 cup of oats = yes 40 grams in WEIGHT, but in carbs = 23-25grams

So initially I was wrong and tired as usual, but redhawk was right (of course), Vaugh was right, and I think I'm just plain wrong and need sleep.
Hmmm, I just weighed 1/2 cup of oats 3 times and they came out to 53g. I don't have a calibration weight for my scale but I've compared it to another one before and they agreed.

I must buy dense oats :)

[VaughnTrue]

Hmmm, I just weighed 1/2 cup of oats 3 times and they came out to 53g. I don't have a calibration weight for my scale but I've compared it to another one before and they agreed.

I must buy dense oats :)

what kind of oats do you use?

steel cut has considerably more carbs/gram than traditional whole grain oats

[DriverDan]

what kind of oats do you use?

steel cut has considerably more carbs/gram than traditional whole grain oats
Just regular old fashion rolled oats.

[VaughnTrue]

hunger started to kick in today...



holy crap.



i am HUNGRY.

[ZDub212]

Ideas to make oats taste better:

Splenda + Cinnamon (Great one)

Da Vinci's Sugar Free Syrup (So many flavors including, Chocolate, Peanut Butter, Cookie Dough, Caramel, Butter Toffee, Marshmallow, Butterscotch, and a LOT MORE)

Hood Calorie Countdown Milk (Only 3g of carbs/serving as opposed to 12-13g, still has 8g of protein per serving...only 45 calories per 8oz!!)

And adding protein to the mix (Any good whey, SAN Infusion, Ultra Peptide) will make a big difference.

[VaughnTrue]

Ideas to make oats taste better:

Splenda + Cinnamon (Great one)

Da Vinci's Sugar Free Syrup (So many flavors including, Chocolate, Peanut Butter, Cookie Dough, Caramel, Butter Toffee, Marshmallow, Butterscotch, and a LOT MORE)

Hood Calorie Countdown Milk (Only 3g of carbs/serving as opposed to 12-13g, still has 8g of protein per serving...only 45 calories per 8oz!!)

And adding protein to the mix (Any good whey, SAN Infusion, Ultra Peptide) will make a big difference.

good idea man, I'm definitely gonna look up da vinci's sugar free syrup for the chocolate/peanutbutter flavors







Ok, so this is day 14 for me.

like I said, weight is constant, however bf% is down about 2%(almost feel bad stating that, but calipers dont lie, and my mirror seems to agree with the bf% drop...2% is just SO much though).




I have decided to use Trenadrol at 60mg/day for the next 5 days, and then bumping the dosage to 90mg/day for the final 7 days of the bottle. So I will be done with the Trenadrol on August 3rd making the bottle last about 24 days total as opposed to 30(which I am fine with).

I will then only be on Bold @ 800mg/day until August 9th when I will begin superdrol@ 20mg/day.


If my body lets me, I would like to run the SD for 4 weeks. If 3 weeks is all I can take, thats what I'll do.

[VaughnTrue]

im bored, someone comment and make me smile

[Black_Spit]

^^ I'm late... but, better late than never. There, smile at that.

I'm very interested in this as I may do Trenadrol alongside Bold without the SD before the summer is out. I'm thinking 90 mg's Tren alongside 600 mg's Bold.

1'4 is one prohormone I've not tried... and, I have a relatively extensive eperience with them. Not in recent years though, Until 2 weeks ago, I hadn't messed around with anything serious in a couple of years.

[DrnkMnky]

im bored, someone comment and make me smile


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[VaughnTrue]

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thatll do

[wintergear]

How do you know you're at a gay barbeque?

The weiners all taste like ****.

Be sure to let us know of any appreciable strength increases as far as weight/reps are concerned. Great Log VT. No thoughts on my tren xtreme vs. trenadrol question last page?
I believe they are the same compund but written with different nomenclature so they look different. If that is the case the tren xtreme is 90 capsules vs 60 for trenadrol.

[VaughnTrue]

How do you know you're at a gay barbeque?

The weiners all taste like ****.

Be sure to let us know of any appreciable strength increases as far as weight/reps are concerned. Great Log VT. No thoughts on my tren xtreme vs. trenadrol question last page?
I believe they are the same compund but written with different nomenclature so they look different. If that is the case the tren xtreme is 90 capsules vs 60 for trenadrol. I have noticed a lot of people can't find the tren xtreme on the web for less than 100 and brag about going to max muscle and paying 60-70, for all of those people if they would put together vegas sports nutrition, with the standard www and com, I think they would be VERY happy.

Strength gains: they're definitely there. I'm up 20lbs on squats for reps of 12. I don't go SUPER heavy on squats as I get a much better burn/pump from not using 100% range of movement, and never stopping to rest in either the complete up/down position. So I was doing 225x12 for barbell squats, and now I am able to do 245x12 and its easy. So next week I'll bump it up to 265 and see how things go.


(I didn't see your post on the last page about tren xtreme, my bad!)

I went with trenadrol just because of all the amazing reports over at DA. Can't argue with EVERY big name over there loving it, so I figured eh...what the hell.

[homer_7]

great log. keep up the good work.

subbed

[adbuster]

God damn that is a lot of chicken!

[PieEyedPiper]

Just for reference, or a different opinion, all of the nutritionalists and sports nutrition professors I've talked with are of the opinion that fruits such as bananas and apples are actually complex carbs.
I believe their reasoning is based on the high fiber content and that fact that the GI from the carbs in an apple is like 23, which is close to as low as you can go.

Milk also has a really low GI, even though lactose is a sugar, because of the slow digestion of the protein and fat that is also in milk.

So basically what I'm saying is that you might look into expanding your diet if not for a more complete nutrition (vitamins/minerals, fiber and other phytochemicals) then maybe just for variety.

Good luck with the cycle, I'll be following!

[Kernkraft]

If you need some flavoring without the cals check out Da Vinci or Torani sugar free syrups... really goes a long long way with oats. I put in an order the other day for 16 bottles of various flavors. I cook my oats, throw in some almonds and raisins at the end and then throw it in a bowl, add two tablespoons of some flavored sugar free syrup, stick it in the freezer for 15-30 and it tastes great.

Btw loss of 2% in BF is impressive.


Ideas to make oats taste better:

Splenda + Cinnamon (Great one)

Da Vinci's Sugar Free Syrup (So many flavors including, Chocolate, Peanut Butter, Cookie Dough, Caramel, Butter Toffee, Marshmallow, Butterscotch, and a LOT MORE)

Hood Calorie Countdown Milk (Only 3g of carbs/serving as opposed to 12-13g, still has 8g of protein per serving...only 45 calories per 8oz!!)

And adding protein to the mix (Any good whey, SAN Infusion, Ultra Peptide) will make a big difference.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... lol I do remember mentioning this already.

Vaughn... check your pms.

[VaughnTrue]

Ok, I thought I was imagining it, but I have one serious side effect I am just not happy about at all at the moment.


I don't know if it is from the Bold or from the Trenadrol, but I am so beyond lethargic I don't know what to do with myself.

If I don't get 9 hours of sleep, I can't function, and even then I'm dying for a midafternoon nap :(





gotta sleep to grow though I guess

[DriverDan]

Just for reference, or a different opinion, all of the nutritionalists and sports nutrition professors I've talked with are of the opinion that fruits such as bananas and apples are actually complex carbs.
I believe their reasoning is based on the high fiber content and that fact that the GI from the carbs in an apple is like 23, which is close to as low as you can go.

Milk also has a really low GI, even though lactose is a sugar, because of the slow digestion of the protein and fat that is also in milk.

So basically what I'm saying is that you might look into expanding your diet if not for a more complete nutrition (vitamins/minerals, fiber and other phytochemicals) then maybe just for variety.

Good luck with the cycle, I'll be following!
I forgot to comment on that before. Fructose isn't a high GI simple carb, although bananas contain a combination of fructose and sucrose depending on how ripe they are. By giving up fruit you're losing out on all the nutrients you get from them, plus they're tasty :)

Lactose is a low GI simple carb but milk actually causes a pretty big insulin spike. When consumed with low GI food (chicken or oats for example) that insulin spike will be blunted just like high GI foods.

[Eyedentify]

Vaughn

With that much chicken in a day, do you cook all of it at once in the morning?

[VaughnTrue]

Vaughn

With that much chicken in a day, do you cook all of it at once in the morning?

depends on where I am that day...


If i am staying home, or working at my fathers business I usually cook each piece individually.


If i have to be somewhere that I have no access to a george forman, I cook it all at once

[DrnkMnky]

What would we do without the Forman? I can't go a day without using it.

[VaughnTrue]

strength is still going up...


was able to do DB military presses with 70's today for the first time ever...was a nice surprise

[skinny buckeye]

strength is still going up...


was able to do DB military presses with 70's today for the first time ever...was a nice surprise

Vaughn,

how are all the sides? how are you feeling throughout the day? you mentioned lethargy, that sucks. I know for me that makes me not want to use one of these if its going to do that.

do you have any extra energy? anxiety? sweats etc?

how would you compare these compounds to Havoc feeling?


thanks alot!

[VaughnTrue]

Vaughn,

how are all the sides? how are you feeling throughout the day? you mentioned lethargy, that sucks. I know for me that makes me not want to use one of these if its going to do that.

do you have any extra energy? anxiety? sweats etc?

how would you compare these compounds to Havoc feeling?


thanks alot!

The ONLY side I've felt as of yet is lethargy, but in all honesty, I normally need more sleep than the average person to begin with.


I quit smoking the good stuff just before I started this stack, and my body just still isnt used to not taking all the naps I used to take when I was stoned.




I think Trenadrol/Bold = just as good a recomp if not better than Havoc.

I gained more weight on the Havoc, but my muscle hardness/bf% has been great so far...cant wait to hit the SD.



I think the avg person would gain more weight than I have so far just because my diet is SO clean...I'd suggest this as a recomp with a little dirtyness in your diet in all honesty.

Loving the cycle so far

[VaughnTrue]

I am considering running the SD a little earlier than planned.


I need to start contest prep in september(about the 5th) and I just don't think I'll have enough time to solidify the SD gains if I wait much longer.


This is what my original stack was going to be

Weeks 1-2: Bold @ 800mg/day, Tren @ 60mg/day
Week 3-3.5: Bold @ 800mg/day, Tren @ 90mg/day
Week 4: Bold @ 800mg/day
Weeks 5-7: Bold @ 800mg/day M-drol @ 20mg/day
Week 8(POSSIBLE): Bold @ 800mg/day, M-drol @ 20mg/day




My stack started on July 9th, and I think I might want to switch this stuff around now(yea, I know...not the best idea to change stuff, but oh well!)

What about this


July 9th - 24th: Bold @ 800mg/day, Tren @ 60mg/day
July 25th - August 3rd : Bold @ 800mg/day, Tren @ 90mg/day, Mdrol 20mg/day
August 4th - August 25th : Bold @ 800mg/day, Mdrol 20mg/day
August 26th - September 4th : Bold @ 800mg/day





Some quick reponses would be great as I'd like to hop on this tomorrow

[Kernkraft]

If you must do it... keep the tren at 60mg's, bridge the M-drol at 10mg and go from there. I don't see any problems with going a week or two ahead of schedule. 8 weeks is a long ass cycle anyways and that's pushing it.

In fact I don't see the point of coming off the M-drol and going one last week of bold unless you plan on tapering off that week.

Personally if I did this I'd stick to the original plan and get rid of week 8... that should still fit the September 4th plan right?

[Kernkraft]

I'll also see if I can get a hold of Beejis... he'd know what to do for sure.

[VaughnTrue]

I'll also see if I can get a hold of Beejis... he'd know what to do for sure.

many thanks...


it would still fit, however I want to make sure I can solidify the majority if not all of the gains...thats the main fear.

[Drumkid20]

Dude, if you are having trouble with lethargy...might wanna start SD slow. I'm running it again, and day 10 only at 20mgs, just doing another 10/20/20 as I find these to work nicely for a good 10 pounds for me iwth immaculate diet (figure why push it and go four weeks or higher dosage), however, I'm reminded that this is the one pharmaceutical that really makes me want to SLEEP.

[VaughnTrue]

Dude, if you are having trouble with lethargy...might wanna start SD slow. I'm running it again, and day 10 only at 20mgs, just doing another 10/20/20 as I find these to work nicely for a good 10 pounds for me iwth immaculate diet (figure why push it and go four weeks or higher dosage), however, I'm reminded that this is the one pharmaceutical that really makes me want to SLEEP.

Yea, I am nervous about the lethargy, but I really don't think it will knock me out to the point of not being able to take it. I don't have much to do during the days these days, and if I start noticing bad lethargy, ill back it down to 10mg i suppose

[VaughnTrue]

Started to practice some posing tonight at my gym with the owner...shows me just how much damn practice/work I have in store for me...yet couldn't be more excited.


I have finally decided how to run this cycle(better late then never eh?) so I can maximize gains, and still start cutting on time.


I will continue taking Tren @ 90mg/day until August 2nd. I will then start the Mdrol on the 3rd, and continue to run it until the 24th of August. I will continue running Bold all the way until September 10th, which is actually 8 days into the start of my cut(10 weeks out).

I know most people say don't cut so quickly after a cycle, well too damn bad. I'm running it the way I want, and I am 99.9% positive this will work out for the best this way(leaving me the leanest/biggest possible for the show).

[DrnkMnky]

Sounds like you got it all figured out. Good luck with everything, hopefully you can maintain a very large % of LBM while cutting.

[VaughnTrue]

Sounds like you got it all figured out. Good luck with everything, hopefully you can maintain a very large % of LBM while cutting.

Hopefully...


however, my diet will be perfect, and I will be overdosing bcaas/purple wraath to help stay anabolic.

[DrnkMnky]

overdosing bcaas/purple wraath to help stay anabolic.

Megadosing BCAAs has worked very well for me in the past, so you should be all good. Are you going to start a diet/training journal in the contest prep section?

[VaughnTrue]

Megadosing BCAAs has worked very well for me in the past, so you should be all good. Are you going to start a diet/training journal in the contest prep section?

yea...i will be logging it much closer than this log so people can see what I'm doing wrong and help me pinpoint some stuff.


I am doing all the research I can on how to prepare for this properly, but its just SO much to learn

[SHOWTIME]

yea...i will be logging it much closer than this log so people can see what I'm doing wrong and help me pinpoint some stuff.


I am doing all the research I can on how to prepare for this properly, but its just SO much to learn

Awesome I will be following that log for sure!

[iForce Dave]

You could change it, but like i said, you might have more sides with the sd + tren + bold.

I know you know your stuff so I say go for it. If anything happens you know what to do and you know what to look for. Anyone else I would say to skip it.

[VaughnTrue]

You could change it, but like i said, you might have more sides with the sd + tren + bold.

I know you know your stuff so I say go for it. If anything happens you know what to do and you know what to look for. Anyone else I would say to skip it.

wont be running all 3 at once...

stoppin tren on the 2nd, starting sd on the 3rd

[rj71]

VT....going through a ton of threads looking where I know you mentioned it...
Who makes the cycle support you recco'd?

[VaughnTrue]

VT....going through a ton of threads looking where I know you mentioned it...
Who makes the cycle support you recco'd?

anabolic innovations


they make life support(which is the pill version, HOWEVER, the write up on bb.com is incorrect and you will need double the bottles of pills as you will cycle support(powder) )

[rj71]

Thanks....and you are taking the powder?
How much/day?

Other Q....I am now on antibiotics for an elbow bursitis....shouldn't take away from BOLD effect, right? Headed into week 3 on Sunday

[VaughnTrue]

Thanks....and you are taking the powder?
How much/day?

Other Q....I am now on antibiotics for an elbow bursitis....shouldn't take away from BOLD effect, right? Headed into week 3 on Sunday

yea, im way too poor to pair for life support(the pills), so I take the powder(cycle support)

I take 2 scoops/day just like the directions on the tub say to use.

I honestly don't know, a PM to patrick arnold would be a good idea as he knows drug interactions pretty well compared to me

[rj71]

Thanks bro....picking up cycle support as week 3 emerges
Hunger is up....definitely....

Had fever from the bursitis...101...
and still was hungry

Hungry with fever....insane !

[VaughnTrue]

Thanks bro....picking up cycle support as week 3 emerges
Hunger is up....definitely....

Had fever from the bursitis...101...
and still was hungry

Hungry with fever....insane !

tell me about it...i am ALWAYS hungry.


I was having a hard time swallowing my 2 cups oatmeal shake+8oz chicken at the begining of this cycle...now? its a piece of cake and I'm hungry literally 45 minutes later.

[Eyedentify]

tell me about it...i am ALWAYS hungry.


I was having a hard time swallowing my 2 cups oatmeal shake+8oz chicken at the begining of this cycle...now? its a piece of cake and I'm hungry literally 45 minutes later.

What do you do to deal with the hunger bro? Do you harness it by eating more to get more calories in? But you are preparing for comp if I'm right isn't it, so you can't eat too much anyway, do you just hold it off with your willpower then?

[rj71]

How long before Cycle Support "kicks in" and protects you once you start it?

[VaughnTrue]

What do you do to deal with the hunger bro? Do you harness it by eating more to get more calories in? But you are preparing for comp if I'm right isn't it, so you can't eat too much anyway, do you just hold it off with your willpower then?


i eat a set amount of calories no matter what. I am not in contest prep yet, but I am doing all I can to lean out as much as possible so I can make contest prep easier.


How long before Cycle Support "kicks in" and protects you once you start it?

some herbs instantly, some longer

[wintergear]

How are the lifts going, I saw that you said weight is holding pretty steady but you are getting a little leaner... are you still uping the weights/reps? Give us a glimpse at how far you have progressed so far. Pick a couple of your compound movements and give us a before/up to now progress report. Not trying to pick apart your diet/routine but I noticed you're not reallly taking in many carbs post workout(around 20 in the ipower) you MAY want to add a few more becasue they won't hurt you there and may help with the lbm gains. Keep up the good work VT.

Patrick

[VaughnTrue]

How are the lifts going, I saw that you said weight is holding pretty steady but you are getting a little leaner... are you still uping the weights/reps? Give us a glimpse at how far you have progressed so far. Pick a couple of your compound movements and give us a before/up to now progress report. Not trying to pick apart your diet/routine but I noticed you're not reallly taking in many carbs post workout(around 20 in the ipower) you MAY want to add a few more becasue they won't hurt you there and may help with the lbm gains. Keep up the good work VT.

Patrick

ALL of my lifts have progressively gone up. I am up about 6.5lbs now, and still gaining steadily.

I do not max out, EVER, so to tell you just how much my lifts have improved is a little challenging.

I do everything with 10-12 reps, and on every one of those exercises I've gone up 15-20lbs(even isolation exercises).

Military press: before - 55lbs, currently 70lbs
Squats: before - 245lbs for reps, currently 275lbs for reps
Hammer Pec Deck: before - 225 for reps, currently 250lbs for reps



everything has gone up. Start the sd in 6 days...wooo!

[doluseb]

Any noticeable suppression? I know Bold is pretty nice when it comes to that, but hows the tren treating you in that regard? Any significant atrophy compared to other cycles?

[fitnfirm]

Wow your really cranking out the iron beatings huh :D Good luck with your log !

[VaughnTrue]

Any noticeable suppression? I know Bold is pretty nice when it comes to that, but hows the tren treating you in that regard? Any significant atrophy compared to other cycles?

libido is high as ever if not better than normal(girlfriend can attest to that).

No atrophy whatsoever, although I don't expect the same to happen during the 3 weeks of SD I start on friday.



Wow your really cranking out the iron beatings huh :D Good luck with your log !

:D many thanks

[doluseb]

libido is high as ever if not better than normal(girlfriend can attest to that).

No atrophy whatsoever, although I don't expect the same to happen during the 3 weeks of SD I start on friday.




:D many thanks

lol, no kidding. Glad to see the good results, will be following closely and def plan on having Bold as a base in my next stack.

[dkristof]

I'm finishing up PCT for a small/short (4 weeks) cycle of 11 0XO, so I'm about a month to two months out from starting my BOLD cycle. Question is, when i start BOLD, is it worth it to run an NO booster or creatine also? Or will these just be overkill/useless. I'm sure there's probably no harm, just wondering what your thoughts would be.

Been following the log, keep it up and good luck.

[VaughnTrue]

I'm finishing up PCT for a small/short (4 weeks) cycle of 11 0XO, so I'm about a month to two months out from starting my BOLD cycle. Question is, when i start BOLD, is it worth it to run an NO booster or creatine also? Or will these just be overkill/useless. I'm sure there's probably no harm, just wondering what your thoughts would be.

Been following the log, keep it up and good luck.

i like running creatine on cycle, however my kidneys don't seem to agree.


my kidney levels were very high after my havoc cycle, and when I ceased use of creatine they dropped considerably.

[aznxdgnz]

late to subbed. i missed out alot. :cool:

[VaughnTrue]

Ok guys...today is my last day of the tren.


Weight is up 9 full pounds and my bf% has stabalized I think. I havent gotten too much leaner since I lost that inital 2%, but thats fine with me. I'm not cutting until september anyway.





I start the SD tomorrow and am excited/nervous. Don't really want anything to go wrong.



Anyway, I will be switching up my workout routine a little while on the SD.


I will be working my quads out 2x/week as opposed to 1x as I have been doing. I want to make the most of this cycle, and will abuse my quads because I just need some more size there.



wish me luck

[DriverDan]

What's your final opinion of bold + tren?

[wintergear]

Ok guys...today is my last day of the tren.
Weight is up 9 full pounds and my bf% has stabalized I think. I havent gotten too much leaner since I lost that inital 2%, but thats fine with me. I'm not cutting until september anyway.

I start the SD tomorrow and am excited/nervous. Don't really want anything to go wrong.

Anyway, I will be switching up my workout routine a little while on the SD.

I will be working my quads out 2x/week as opposed to 1x as I have been doing. I want to make the most of this cycle, and will abuse my quads because I just need some more size there.

wish me luck

9 lbs + 4 lbs(estimated 2% fat loss but weight remained contant) = 13 pounds in a month. Those are some extremely impressive results but I think the thing that is really making all of this possible is your diet. Great job VT, all of those chicken breasts everyday are starting to really pay off. Let this be a big lesson for all of the young builders. Scroll back a few pages and check out his diet. He is taking in chicken breast 7-8 times a day. If you want results, that is the type of diet you need to maintain. Shakes are SUPPLEMENTS.

This SD should be insane, can't wait to see the results. Thanks for the updates on the working weights the other day, that is all I was asking for... I hardly ever max out either. The only time I ever really max out is if I can get together a few of my old training partners and really amp it up, but we are all so busy now it doesn't happen too often. Impressive results... I figure about 13 pounds and 20-30 pounds on all your working weights, thats a big jump.

[VaughnTrue]

What's your final opinion of bold + tren?


A+++

Bold is a great supplement by itself, no question...this cycle wouldn't have been 1/2 as good without it, however the Tren really did impress me.


The one thing I didn't like was how quickly the tren was dehydrating me. I was starting to get some kidney pains despite my urine being clear, so I upped my total water intake to about 2.5+ gallons/day. All pain has subsided and back to gettin big.



9 lbs + 4 lbs(estimated 2% fat loss but weight remained contant) = 13 pounds in a month. Those are some extremely impressive results but I think the thing that is really making all of this possible is your diet. Great job VT, all of those chicken breasts everyday are starting to really pay off. Let this be a big lesson for all of the young builders. Scroll back a few pages and check out his diet. He is taking in chicken breast 7-8 times a day. If you want results, that is the type of diet you need to maintain. Shakes are SUPPLEMENTS.

This SD should be insane, can't wait to see the results. Thanks for the updates on the working weights the other day, that is all I was asking for... I hardly ever max out either. The only time I ever really max out is if I can get together a few of my old training partners and really amp it up, but we are all so busy now it doesn't happen too often. Impressive results... I figure about 13 pounds and 20-30 pounds on all your working weights, thats a big jump.

Appreciate the kind words! Always nice when other people recognize your hard work(never seems to happen off the computer though eh haha)

My diet was key to this cycle, I know that 100%. On days that I slacked(I had 2 slack days) I noticed I began to bloat/flatten out IMMEDIATELY.

The real key to getting big is to do as Jay Cutler does...eat more meat than you can afford, and pound oatmeal like its your job.

SD should be nuts...I'm upping my carbs quite a bit for it, gonna be taking in 4 oatmeal shakes a day, each at 108 grams of carbs/20grams of protein. I have also been adding more veggies into my diet despite my disgust of all things green.

[DriverDan]

A+++

Bold is a great supplement by itself, no question...this cycle wouldn't have been 1/2 as good without it, however the Tren really did impress me.


The one thing I didn't like was how quickly the tren was dehydrating me. I was starting to get some kidney pains despite my urine being clear, so I upped my total water intake to about 2.5+ gallons/day. All pain has subsided and back to gettin big.

Good info, thanks. I'll probably run them together sometime next year.



My diet was key to this cycle, I know that 100%. On days that I slacked(I had 2 slack days) I noticed I began to bloat/flatten out IMMEDIATELY.

The real key to getting big is to do as Jay Cutler does...eat more meat than you can afford, and pound oatmeal like its your job.
I just ate 2 cups of oats, I'm so damned full now. I was eating it while on the phone with Dave :)

[leonidas300]

Great log VT, great progress, you are doing this perfectly, this should almost be a sticky for people thinking about running these oral steroids.

[VaughnTrue]

Good info, thanks. I'll probably run them together sometime next year.



I just ate 2 cups of oats, I'm so damned full now. I was eating it while on the phone with Dave :)

i HATE eating 2 cups at one sitting...thats why i blend then chug :D

[aznxdgnz]

**** SON! getting HYOOOGE!!

[VaughnTrue]

Day 1 in the books with Cel's M-drol



Did quads/back today as those are what I'm doing my best to work on, and will be doing the both of them 2x per week.




man do I hope this cycle ends up as good as I'm hoping











on a side/serious note...when one begins to experience testicular atrophy, does a dull pain usually accompany it?

[VaughnTrue]

heres a quick pic I took...not the best quality as normal but oh well.







EDIT: This is not a pic of my testicles.

:D

[getbustered]

VT you are sick! Very nice log so far.

I do have to say you scared me, though. One post about testicular atrophy, and the next says, "Here's a quick pic." I was almost afraid to click on it. ;)

I don't know about the dull pain. Is it constant? I wouldn't freak out too much, but when things are weird in that area it is easy to worry. Hope all is well.

[TT22]

Vaughn your underwear is inside out :D

But nice log, looking for some updates bro!


Jdub

[VaughnTrue]

Vaughn your underwear is inside out :D

But nice log, looking for some updates bro!


Jdub




ha look at all my pics...it's always inside out :D




nothing much to update as of now...updated when I finished the tren, and it will take a little bit for the SD to kick in.


I took 2.5 days off from the gym this weekend to give my body some rest. I was feeling a little run down/worn out, so I wanted to give myself ample time to recooperate so I wouldn't end up missing more time in the long run.

[VaughnTrue]

taking my weight at night, so it of course doesn't count...however, the scale is HIGH :-)




i'll let you know in the morning how much I piss out or not.








hope its only 2-3 lbs

[wintergear]

taking my weight at night, so it of course doesn't count...however, the scale is HIGH :-)

i'll let you know in the morning how much I piss out or not.

hope its only 2-3 lbs

My diet is very similiar to yours with slightly more variety (steak and potato here and there, more carbs post workout) and it is incredible the amount my weight differs at night from morning. I always go by when I first wake up and have an empty stomach, here is an example of the difference when I trained back/shoulders on friday.

7 AM - 208.8 straight out of bed
6 PM - 216.4! same scale(very good/accurate)... pwo after meal and shower

All of that food and water really adds up so don't let it fool you, although it does feel nice to see the higher numbers. If somebody asks I always go with the higher one as well :) I have made it all the way up to 225(12% bf) a couple of years ago, but then got hit with a wrist injury. Usually whenever I start approaching the 220 mark and pushing personal bests I tweak something and have to take time off. Currently I have a left elbow that is bugging me on 3 exercises (skull crushers, french press, behind the neck db raises) so I can't work them, which blows but atleast it is only those 3. I love training heavy(5-8) but I am forcing myself to lower the weights and shoot for the 10-12 rep range that you employ because I think I can keep my joints a little healthier.

A little tip for VT as well as those follwoing along. I know exactly where my injury came from and I want to warn you guys about it. Bob Cicherillo helped me with this one and I know a lot of people love these exercises, but should consider replacing them with db/camber bar versions OR use lighter weights.

1. Barbell Curls - I know this hurts because everyone loves sticking a plate or more on each side and really showing off... it always gets people looking BUT a straight bar(barbell) puts your wrists in an extremely akward/un-natural position at the top. I recommend sticking to db curls OR using a cambered bar... I know it doesn't look nearly as good as that big olympic bar but I would trade this elbow injury for a little less recognition in the gym anyday.

2. Skull Crushers - This one isn't as bad because most people do it the safer way, unless they are trying to save time and superset with Barbell curls like I was on that fateful day about a month ago. Again, stick with the cambered bar(like most do) and your fine but I was supersetting and just thought it would be quicker and ok to use my olympic bar I had with a plate per side already loaded for BB curls. WRONG again your wrists naturally curl and if you force them to do something un-natural with heavy wieghts it usually doesn't end up good.

Keep the food going down and the weight going up VT, good job.

[sxixs]

Great thread VT! I've been lurking on this one for a while. Quick question, what type of PCT are you going to run after the SD? Keep up the great work, looking phenomenal!

[VaughnTrue]

Great thread VT! I've been lurking on this one for a while. Quick question, what type of PCT are you going to run after the SD? Keep up the great work, looking phenomenal!

im running some bold solo after the SD, but after that is done ill be running Nolva @ 40/40/20/20 and probably reduce xt

[aznxdgnz]

im running some bold solo after the SD, but after that is done ill be running Nolva @ 40/40/20/20 and probably reduce xt

any test booster or ai?

[VaughnTrue]

any test booster or ai?

testabolan + inhibit e.


i actually am not running reduce xt, i typed reduce xt by mistake(meant inhibit e, oh well)

[aznxdgnz]

cool.

[sxixs]

testabolan + inhibit e.


i actually am not running reduce xt, i typed reduce xt by mistake(meant inhibit e, oh well)

So Nolva + Testabolan + inhibit E correct?
Are you gonna stick with the same dosage of Testabolan during the post cycle or taper off?

[VaughnTrue]

So Nolva + Testabolan + inhibit E correct?
Are you gonna stick with the same dosage of Testabolan during the post cycle or taper off?

2 in the am 2in the pm...no need to taper testabolan.

[VaughnTrue]

Ok...crappy workout tonight due to my back still hurting.


I'm insanely strong at the moment, but just because my muscle can handle it, doesnt mean my back can...so back to the drawing board.


will do my best to have an insane workout tomorrow, but at least I've been eating well.



+14lbs at the moment

[J2jud]

Nice log!

[VaughnTrue]

every joint in my body is hurting...


its not from the mdrol though, all pre-existing injuries brought on from the strength increase I believe.



also feels as though I have NO estrogen(dry joints) anyone know if this is possible despite Bold being able to aromatize?

[dkristof]

every joint in my body is hurting...


its not from the mdrol though, all pre-existing injuries brought on from the strength increase I believe.



also feels as though I have NO estrogen(dry joints) anyone know if this is possible despite Bold being able to aromatize?

I won't pretend to know near as much science as you when it comes to this stuff...i can't answer about aromatization. I will offer my two cents though. If you're looking for an over the counter joint relief formula, you can't go wrong with Animal Flex. I've tried different things for various joint problems I've encountered over the past few years. This product was a miracle for me. If you look around a bit, you can find it cheap.

Sorry for sounding like I'm trying to push a product, I'm not a rep for anyone. But I strongly endorse this and recommend it often.

Either way, hope you find a way to take care of the problem, joint pain can be a MAJOR inconvenience.

[Absolute0]

even if bold aromatizes, it's not classified as wet. The gains are always dry and lean, so it would do little to mitigate the affects of Tren and Superdrol. And consider the strength increases (tren and SD should be pretty potent) and i would be surprised if you didn't get the joint pain.

nothing risked, nothing gained... your picture looks great, i like your delts

[ericpdell2]

Very interesting read here VT good luck with the SD and awesome progress be careful in the coming weeks take care bro....

[kevn594]

I was actually lookin at buying some of that Superdrol (M-Drol by Competitive Edge) and lookin forward to see how your comin along. Good Luck Man!




btw, i lost 2 original AX SD and PP after moving out of my old apt this summer. i am still pissed about it haha

[VaughnTrue]

yea...I'll be ok, just been workin my ass to the ground for the past 5 weeks.

Gonna lighten up on the weights a little bit and go for more muscle concentration as opposed to gross moving...hopefully get some nice separation from it.

[wintergear]

I have made it all the way up to 225(12% bf) a couple of years ago, but then got hit with a wrist injury. Usually whenever I start approaching the 220 mark and pushing personal bests I tweak something and have to take time off.


every joint in my body is hurting...

its not from the mdrol though, all pre-existing injuries brought on from the strength increase I believe.

Be very careful vaughn... like I said you will start to feel all of those nagging little things as you enter new territory... for me it's my wrists and elbows.

Lightening the load is definently the way to go like you said you were going to, don't let your ego get in the way... god knows I have before :)

[VaughnTrue]

Be very careful vaughn... like I said you will start to feel all of those nagging little things as you enter new territory... for me it's my wrists and elbows.

Lightening the load is definently the way to go like you said you were going to, don't let your ego get in the way... god knows I have before :)

great advice...having an ego/pissing contest mentality in this sport wont get you too far.

[doluseb]

Great freakin progress man. I'm impressed at the numbers/looks gotten from the tren + Bold. Keep it up, and be safe. Don't want to hurt yourself cause I want to see where this log goes. lol.

btw. Is the "dull pain" throughout the groin and the testicles? If I were to wager a guess, I'd say it is due slightly to your testes shutting down and also the lack of estrogen. On a related note: how's the libido?

[VaughnTrue]

Great freakin progress man. I'm impressed at the numbers/looks gotten from the tren + Bold. Keep it up, and be safe. Don't want to hurt yourself cause I want to see where this log goes. lol.

btw. Is the "dull pain" throughout the groin and the testicles? If I were to wager a guess, I'd say it is due slightly to your testes shutting down and also the lack of estrogen. On a related note: how's the libido?

It is a dull ache...only way I can describe it. It was very obvious the other day, but since then I haven't felt it.


My libido is great...1-3 times daily.

[skinny buckeye]

It is a dull ache...only way I can describe it. It was very obvious the other day, but since then I haven't felt it.


My libido is great...1-3 times daily.

i had that "dull ache" when i took havoc about 2 weeks into it. I asked around alot and no one seemed to have any idea. I presumed it was shutdown of testes, but it scared me.


btw thanks for keeping up the great log. Its inspirational. I wish i could get myself to eat as much chicken as you are shoveling in!

Last week i took the plunge on Bold + P - plex. so far nothing too exciting, but i love the way the Bold stimulates the hunger and has few sides (so far anyway).

quick question though, i tried the testabolan and it gives me crazy lethargy... i guess i'm pretty sensitive to all these products, but is it normal for the testabolan to knock me out teh way it does? i cant take it as a result as i literally cant stay awake 4-5 hrs after taking.

does that make any sense at all?

[wintergear]

Update? How is the sd going... you haven't said much about the lifting since you switched. Train hard.

[wintergear]

Applying CPR, this log has lost it's pulse.

[iForce Dave]

Vaughn is currently busy doing other things right now!

I assure you his stack is going great and he will be back shortly!

[Travis71902]

Hope all is well...Can't wait to see how the SD is going!

[iForce Dave]

The SD is great! I talked to vaughn a couple days ago, he is up 20lbs!

[DriverDan]

His "vacation" was short lived ;) When's he going to be back to posting?

[iForce Dave]

Soon, I assure you.

[DaRooster13]

Vaughn, what was the total weight gain including the M-Drol when you were finished.

[Travis71902]

**** Son!!

[VaughnTrue]

lol sorry for leaving everyone high and dry...


I moved finally(search around for my crazy landlord thread), and in doing so was without internet for almost 2 weeks!


So...how is the cycle going?


I hit a max weight of 224lbs(up 20lbs) near the end of the SD. A few pounds were water/who knows what else and I have been resting comfortably at 220-221lbs since I came off.



Coolest part? I've been using the cut diet for the past 7 days, and have started to lose bodyfat...but my weight isnt changing at all :D



This contest prep is gonna be fun

[DriverDan]

I hit a max weight of 224lbs(up 20lbs) near the end of the SD. A few pounds were water/who knows what else and I have been resting comfortably at 220-221lbs since I came off.
Wow nice cycle! Correct me if I'm wrong, but that would be 9 lbs pre-Superdrol and about 11 lbs after?

[VaughnTrue]

Wow nice cycle! Correct me if I'm wrong, but that would be 9 lbs pre-Superdrol and about 11 lbs after?

just about...



I still have another 9 days left on Bold :D...onto PCT, and then REALLY pushing the limit by using 11oxo from October 18th-November 18th for contest prep.


:D

[ejohnson715]

lol sorry for leaving everyone high and dry...


I moved finally(search around for my crazy landlord thread), and in doing so was without internet for almost 2 weeks!


So...how is the cycle going?


I hit a max weight of 224lbs(up 20lbs) near the end of the SD. A few pounds were water/who knows what else and I have been resting comfortably at 220-221lbs since I came off.



Coolest part? I've been using the cut diet for the past 7 days, and have started to lose bodyfat...but my weight isnt changing at all :D



This contest prep is gonna be fun


That was an awesome log man. I keep getting the urges to add some kind of SD to my BOLD stack. Luckily my friends keep telling me not to b/c its my first PH. You gained some crazy weight. I hope i start putting on the lbs soon with BOLD. What does your cut diet look like? I need to loose some BF stat man. lol. Nice job man, great training!

[ZDub212]

What's your contest prep stack look like? More importantly, how are you training/dieting to reach those goals?

[VaughnTrue]

What's your contest prep stack look like? More importantly, how are you training/dieting to reach those goals?

I'll be on bold for another 4-5 days, then start into my pct which is nolva/inhibit-e. I will then begin 11oxo on october 18th @ either 9 or 10 pills a day.

My supp stack other than that is pretty basic...Yohimbine@ 20mg/day, MultiVit, Vitamin C,


Might throw a fat burner in at the end...but I've never been impressed with a fat burner


Diet is the Cut Diet 3000 followed EXACTLY.

Training is what it always is for now... 12 setsx 12 reps for 2-3 musclegroups/day...deep and heavy.

[MiniMachine]

so i just finished doing a bunch of reading on bold. just wondering how your contest went and before you started that cut, how your cycle turned out?

[nyarbor]

So...I have been trying to track down some BOLD 200 to try a similar stack and have just recently ran into a BIG dry spell.

Anyone know why this has happened? Or how to get around it?