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admin
06-03-2002, 03:03 PM
There are simple ways to avoid injuries and one of them is fantastically effective at building muscle. What? A safer way to lift that increases muscle building? Yes.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sisco5.htm

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Zulu
06-03-2002, 06:57 PM
You've got to be ****ting me folks.

I've seen Sisco ripped to shreds so many times.

I can't believe this stuff is posted.

Seriously. Even I can find nothing but crap in that article.

I'm having a hard time phrasing my disgust....

-Zulu

admin
06-04-2002, 10:08 AM
Has anybody actually tried this workout for a few weeks?

Thanks!
Ryan

Zulu
06-04-2002, 02:44 PM
A few weeks?

You realize that neurological adaptation, not hypertrophy will be the most potent factor initially?

-Zulu

MOD
08-31-2002, 11:11 AM
did it twice, and both times I lost size and full range strength. It sucks, and the whole Power Factor book and system is a scam. Read this, it explains why PFT does not work.


http://www.stanford.edu/~gchen/Trai...owerFactor.html

alpha warrior
02-03-2003, 04:45 PM
I know Sisco gets his share of insults and putdowns about his training methods, just like Mentzer.... but people have gained with PFT. My partner rarely uses a full range of motion and he is very thick and strong. Granted he probably has those genetics to be that way either way. But... he started squatting with 200 pounds, and now is doing 420. He does 15 - 20 reps ( up to 30) and has ALWAYS done partials. Why? Well, actually... its his ego. He can use more weight. I told him time and time again " do a full range of motion".... " all the way up, and all the way down".... " like Mike Mentzer says through a full range". While i have not gained in the squat, HE has. In fact most of his excercises are partial range, yet he is getting stronger each time. Yes he has down days... but he's done 200 pound reverse grip partial overhead presses.... A full ROM makes more sense to me, but Sisco has points. Look at SCT. Gaining without really any ROM. In fact... i used it on pulldowns with my partner and me and you can gain so fast that you can screw up your frequency so easily. Yea alot of people read bad about Sisco. Ok. Same with Mentzer. All i can say is give PFT a try. Do it right though... volume, frequency.... See what happens. You might get no results and be pissed, but know PFT isnt an option anymore... or you might gain so well you will be pissed you didnt try it earlier. You never know.

Dr.Squat, jr
09-15-2003, 07:51 PM
As with anything else, moderation is the key. Use partials for 1 week, or partials for legs only. Then do full range for 1 week or switch body part. You then trian your body to do full range, light range, and everything in between. Just understand the beneifts of both types of exercise. I would like to know how strong the ligaments are on the people doing 3000 lb partial leg press when they go down two inches and then back up, versus people who do full range 1000 lbs. Big muscle is not always practical if it doesn't have the proper support structure (looks good though).

Mix up number of reps, number of sets, partials, full range, body parts on, body parts off, cardio up, cardio down. Maximum mix gets maximum benefit.

thickjerk
09-18-2003, 05:24 PM
horse****

cififncare
10-02-2003, 02:44 AM
Let me make myself perfectly clear- you naysayers are clueless. And probably the typical steroid abusers and/or genetically gifted folks we all see at the gym, the guys who do everything half-assed and STILL get results. From just the few articles I've read by Pete Sisco, I can tell you he knows his stuff. As an example, I'll offer this anecdote about this article. I've read many others touting this same partial rep scheme workout. Among them, a certain world class powerlifter and professional strongman who shall remain nameless. But what he said was this: "I'll sometimes load up the barbell with 1100 pounds and just lift it off the rack a few times. It's all I can do to move it at all, but I believe this has enabled me to break many strength plateaus..." So, it's obvious to me that anyone who doesn't gain strength with this routine obviously doesn't understand the main principle- LIFT HEAVY, REALLY HEAVY. So, give it a try with some TRUE EFFORT, instead of expecting the same results you get from 'roids or your minimal effort, genetically gifted, clueless and archaic old routine. Oh, by the way, static contraction or isometrics has been shown repeatedly to result in the greatest strength gains without plateaus than any other method. I know 140 pound rock climbers that will put most lifters to shame. So, give it a REAL try, not just enough to make yourself feel superior. I'll be eagerly awaiting YOUR next book. And don't forget to actually STUDY your methods scientifically. ;)

lucubration
10-03-2003, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by admin
There are simple ways to avoid injuries and one of them is fantastically effective at building muscle. What? A safer way to lift that increases muscle building? Yes.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sisco5.htm

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one word:

bla!

omariok2
10-03-2003, 12:01 PM
the number one rule in lifting is : always use a full ROM..
Pete sisco does not realize this...he is an idiot..
thank you :)

Atavis
10-03-2003, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by omariok2
the number one rule in lifting is : always use a full ROM..
Pete sisco does not realize this...he is an idiot..
thank you :)


That is not a hard and fast 100% of the time true rule.

There ARE times when partials work and work well. However, as a total program PFT is lacking. So is Mentzer HIT for that matter.

lucubration
10-03-2003, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by Atavis
That is not a hard and fast 100% of the time true rule.

There ARE times when partials work and work well. .

agreed here.

amusclehead
10-04-2003, 10:46 AM
i'm going to have to side with the tide here.

for the longest of times i did partial squats (infact, all my leg exercises since they were based solely on squats were partials) (didn't have a proper powerrack at the time) and i did make some size and strength gains.

however, my leg power/size just exploded when i got my power rack- same exact routine, only difference was complete full ROM instead of partials.

so just based on my experiences of partial leg training, it's possible to make some size and strength gains but not going to be anywhere near full ROM.



Originally posted by Atavis

There ARE times when partials work and work well.

yep, i use partials on benching and they're great (gotta love board pressing :D ), but ou've got to know when to use them and use them sparingly.

amusclehead
10-04-2003, 10:52 AM
just wanted to add that this really makes me shake my head

"For example, the bottom of the squat position places outrageous stress on the knees and bottom of the bench press position can tear the ligaments and tendons of the upper arm and shoulder. "

take squatting, full ROM squats are safe (given you arn't bouncing up and down), partial ROM arn't that great- think of your body as a set of gears. if you do full ROM it does a complete rotation. If you do partial ROM, it's like jamming a stick between the gears causing it to grind to halt...not good on the gearing and definately not good on the knees and ligaments and other stuff

and yes, the bottom of the bench can be dangerous.....if you're like 99% of the population out there who drops it down like a rocket and bounces it off your chest to the point it starts leaving bruising.



i've read a lot of Sisco's stuff, and he does have some good stuff, but a lot I have to question- I've seen him advocating leg pressing over squatting for best leg power/strength, saying that if you do abdominal exercises you'll tone up your stomach w/ or w/o a good diet, and his belief in 1-day arm cures.....

Unregistered
08-10-2004, 08:19 PM
Just wanted to add my 2 cents. I belived partials helped me add a lot of mass when I used them to increase instensity. EX:...... for the bench and squat, ..I would do like 4 full range reps, strip off some weight, do 4 more full range reps, then set the bar up to near lock out position in the power rack and do 4 partials, strip of some weight and do 4 more partials. BUT, when I did a cycle with ONLY partials and no full range, I DIDN'T put on as much mass and my strenght in the full range movements went down. Bottom line is that I think partials are a great way to up the intensity for mass building after full range sets, but for me, partials don't seem to translate into full range strength when done by themselves.

user321653_345
08-11-2004, 08:53 PM
I can't believe he advocates using the smith machine for squats. Thats just bad advice right there. Where is the science behind all this? Lets see some studies of this actually working, instead of anecdotal evidence.

Also, this guy has a hard-on for himself if his logo at the bottom of the article says Pete Sisco, Famous Author. Give me a break!

massmatters
09-25-2004, 07:48 PM
Let me make myself perfectly clear- you naysayers are clueless. And probably the typical steroid abusers and/or genetically gifted folks we all see at the gym, the guys who do everything half-assed and STILL get results. From just the few articles I've read by Pete Sisco, I can tell you he knows his stuff. As an example, I'll offer this anecdote about this article. I've read many others touting this same partial rep scheme workout. Among them, a certain world class powerlifter and professional strongman who shall remain nameless. But what he said was this: "I'll sometimes load up the barbell with 1100 pounds and just lift it off the rack a few times. It's all I can do to move it at all, but I believe this has enabled me to break many strength plateaus..." So, it's obvious to me that anyone who doesn't gain strength with this routine obviously doesn't understand the main principle- LIFT HEAVY, REALLY HEAVY. So, give it a try with some TRUE EFFORT, instead of expecting the same results you get from 'roids or your minimal effort, genetically gifted, clueless and archaic old routine. Oh, by the way, static contraction or isometrics has been shown repeatedly to result in the greatest strength gains without plateaus than any other method. I know 140 pound rock climbers that will put most lifters to shame. So, give it a REAL try, not just enough to make yourself feel superior. I'll be eagerly awaiting YOUR next book. And don't forget to actually STUDY your methods scientifically. ;)

it is clear that you are very inexperienced and brand new to weight lifting. does sisco mention sarcomere and sarcoplasmic hypertrophy? or anything else scientific? no, he does not. his book is NOT based on science, it is based on THEORIES, theories which can be proven wrong over and over and over.....

Unregistered
10-09-2004, 08:20 PM
I've been doing SCT since July and have made good progress. Just got the Explosive Fitness machines recently. Too soon to know how effective they are but they certainly feel good....

MuscleWizard
01-16-2005, 05:20 PM
I just downloaded his e-book today and im going to start my first workout with his principals in mind tonight. I see some people saying it flat out didint work for them, I wonder if they did everything right. If you started right out the gate only working out once every 3 weeks then yaaa your gonna get smaller and lose strength. you have to do it exaclty like he said. SO im going to workout out tonight then again on wed, and every 2 days from there with partials, with the wight loaded and I mean loaded to get the full benifiet. when it gets to much and i need more time off I will encrease the amount of time to rest in between workouts. Keep in mind he is not just stressing partials. People are all hung up on that, he also stresses the rest in between. if your doing partials and loading up every other day, you will not get anywhere you need to rest. plus he aslo stressed time, shorten rest in between sets. Anyway im goin to give this an honest try for 10 weeks, and I will let you all know how it works, I will keep you posted

james_ashby
01-16-2005, 08:20 PM
I have been doing SCT for a bit longer than 6 months now. At this point I am working once every 10 days. During the six months I have added about 8 lbs of lean body mass (I am now around 200 lbs at 5' 9" and ~ 14% BF). I think that is not so bad for a 52 year old guy who had been lifting weights regularly for a couple of years before starting SCT. I am not sure that 10 weeks is long enough for a fair test. You need to hit the wall a couple of times, lengthen your rest period and see progress resume to fully test the theory and that process may take a while.... Anyway, good luck to you.

Jim

cififncare
09-13-2005, 07:01 PM
it is clear that you are very inexperienced and brand new to weight lifting. does sisco mention sarcomere and sarcoplasmic hypertrophy? or anything else scientific? no, he does not. his book is NOT based on science, it is based on THEORIES, theories which can be proven wrong over and over and over.....

Actually, flamer, I've been lifting for over 20 years. I'm 5' 10", 200 pounds and 12% body fat. I also smoke and eat like a teenager, which is bad, I know, but I will still put you to shame in the gym. It is clear to me that you are a forum flamer (911 posts), that you have terrible grammar AND that you are very inexperienced and brand new to weight lifting. Your question about "sarcomere and sarcoplasmic hypertrophy" is completely inane and an obvious attempt to appear as if you're knowledgeable through the use of "big words." That has nothing to do with anything even remotely related to this system, this forum, etcetera.
Here are some tips for you:
Work on your grammar.
Try to stick to the topic when you post.
Get a life and stop flaming people online with rude and senseless comments.
Get bent.

Your daddy.
P.S. I don't see an option here for posting my picture, or I most definitely would. I'm sure that would probably shut you up and give anyone else who reads this page a good chuckle at the obvious ignorance of your statements. Son.

Unregistered
12-24-2005, 12:45 PM
HEY GUYS!! (This should help kill a debate....or at least wound it a little....)!

Pete Sisco's SCT Workout DOES work.....here's the catch.....when done.....properly!! You DON'T just come in a gym...lift a freight train...and leave, never to return for a few months! The days you DON'T train....you do light cardio for about 45 min. That keeps UP the metabolism!! One day off a week from ALL training is good.....and don't forget 2 week a year vacations, at least!!

For ROM purists.....warm-up at 10 - 12 reps at 50% of total weight with full motion....fine! When the LAST rep is held on the LAST set....that's your mark! That should be the heaviest you do on a PARTIAL and ONLY a PARTIAL movement......(for proof of this...just reference Bruce Lee's FULL MOTION "Good Morning" behind his neck barbell routine where he tried to do nearly twice his body weight on that exercise in a full motion range and he blew out his back for over 6 months! As Denis Leary would've said...."Idiot!")!

A special word on the subject....everyone's different....if you have a system that works for you...great....DON'T CHANGE SOMETHING THAT ALREADY WORKS!!!

I will say I have seen this system work with the majority of people who HAVE tried it. I even use a variation myself which works along with other things I do. For me, it works.....so who cares who believes what after the debate clears, right?

One other thing.....every person that touts a system will mix good advice with the actual information that will help sell a fitness product. That's the whole point. Pete Sisco has some great stuff in his advice.....but it's nothing new (Charles Atlas....Jack LaLanne......even Arnie the Gov himself!!). SCT works when done properly in conjunction with regular everyday exercise....BUT.....it's also a great way to sell over $3500 in exercise equipment in ONE shot as well! So take advice for what it's worth, but don't be naive in the understanding of why the advice is being given to you.

As for why I'm saying all this......I do plan on building a subscription-based website that will really, well......get the point across the first time! I also plan to add some concepts that will help even the best really improve.....if....and ONLY if......the information is sought and wanted.

Let's just say....something that will level the field once and for all as well as cut through all the BS out there!

The site will be live by June, 2006!

And on THAT note....Merry Christmas!!!

james_ashby
12-24-2005, 01:25 PM
I posted to this thread earlier this year. For any one interested I have continued and am continuing my experiment with SCT. I have had some ups and downs but on the whole have continued to make progress. I am working out once every other week now. Recently broke the 2500 lb barrier for the leg press and the 500 lb mark for the bench press. Not too bad for a 53 year old. Have a happy and healthy holiday and 2006!

Unregistered
12-24-2005, 02:00 PM
Thanks James.....you just proved my point! You found a system....really tried it out.....and it works for you in ways you probably never thought possible at first. Bet your whole attitude at first was...."SCT's probably a load of crap, but what the hell....if it doesn't work, at least I'm getting out of the house and away from the TV & chips for a bit". Then....more importantly....you gave it an honest and near-perfect chance! Most importantly.....your current adaptation of it continues to work! Well Done!!!

Very cool online Christmas gift!!

Does this mean SCT works for everyone?? No.
Does this mean good systems are perfect? Hell No!

What makes a system good is positive results for a majority of people who try it. What makes a system Great is adaptation to the individual.

What makes a system perfect?? The Honesty and will to stick with it, and the intelligence to keep what works and throw away what doesn't!

Cheers!

Unregistered
12-24-2005, 03:42 PM
Couldn't resist this final shot:

Regarding the truth behind systems.....I refer you, the reader, to this quote...."NEVER Stop Fighting.....NEVER Stop Fighting until the Fight Is Done!! Here endeth the Lesson!" (Kevin Costner to Bob DeNiro in "The Untouchables")

Happy Holidays, Merry Kwanzaa, God Jul, Feliz Navidad (or did, anyway...j/k..), Fröhliche Weihnachten, Happy Hanukkah, Merry Ramadan, Kurisumasu Omedeto, AAANNNDDDD........

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!! (The Calendar SAYS Christmas and has said for a long, long time.......therefore....HO, HO, HO!!!)

And if anyone is hung up about the appropriateness of "Merry Christmas" as a good thing to say in December to someone after THIS Greeting.....you have MUCH larger issues than "Gee....what kind of workout should I research.....hmmmm??"

Besides....beats the hell out of the alternative greetings you get out of the OTHER 11 months from various people, right??

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Squats4Life
12-26-2005, 12:43 AM
I tried PFT and it w/out a doubt works. It's VERY tedious to train w/ it using a barbell & plates. A 600+ Qtr. squat takes a while to load up and unload. Sisco's math formulas are little cumbersome as well but have validity. U are certainly able to lift more in the qtr. range than full ROM obviously which is heavier which the end result IS more intensity which mean more muscle.

Bottom line PFT/SCT is superior to full range reps and Yates definitely disproved that decreasing ur frequency will decrease ur results. I think in another 30 yrs Sisco will be proven right and hitting HEAVY squats/deadlifts as little as 1x per mo will be fairly common.

All someone can do is try the system.

james_ashby
12-26-2005, 08:29 AM
Can you give some more information on the Yates reference?

I agree that doing SCT with free weights can be tedious with the loading and unloading. I also found callibration difficlut with free weights. There was not that much difference between a weight I could not move at all and one that I could hold for more than 10 seconds so guessing the right amount of weight to put on the bar was an issue.

Using the purpose built SCT equipment overcomes these problems but of course the equipment is expensive. One can only hope that less expensive equipment will become available over time.

dogg07734
05-26-2006, 09:15 AM
The greatest thing to come a long in a long time. I've been training off & on for 17yrs. and I'm still learning about the life of(working out) and SCT is GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!! I am 5'10''-225lbs and stronger than ever.People in the gym think i'm on something but it's all natural(foods,veg,fruit,fish,water,goodfats) & the key to my success SCT!!!!!!!!! training. Please don't read into negativity, if you want the best gains in your life try SCT for about a month and then go back to your regular training& you will see the difference.You will be amazed.

apace
05-30-2006, 04:26 AM
yes but do you guys train once a week twice or more ?? as from his posts he recommends once every week or even every 10 days ??

TRDE59
05-31-2006, 12:26 AM
I tried a system similar to this last summer, but it involved rubber bands instead of weights at the gym. It involved holding a position for about 10 seconds at my maximum capacity. Very similar to SCT, obviously. I used it on every major muscle group of my legs: hip flexors, glutes, quads, calves (those were hard and I had to be inventive to work them properly), and hamstrings. I used this system all summer as an experiment. Boy was I happy with the results:

My 40 time dropped .3 seconds!!!

My times at the end of May were 4.93, 4.89, and 4.86

My times at the end of July were 4.71, 4.65, and 4.69

These were timed by the same person on the same field with the same stopwatch both months.

The most amazing thing about it was, I may have ran an average of 2 days per week during those two months, and I was out of town the week and a half prior to being timed in July. The only workout I did during that week and a half was the SCT bands.

And you can't possibly convince me that running doesn't involve a mostly full range of motion!

Also, I had been playing football, swimming, and running track since 7th grade, so I'm not a newbie to athletic and weight training.

Here's my take on this style of exercising. It's just a theory, of course, but it's based on facts you might find interesting:

This type of exercise trains fast twitch fibers only. Your fast twitch fibers can only work for, at most, 20 seconds at a time (this HAS been proven). Everything else after that trains slow twitch fibers because your fast twitch fibers are fatigued.

Many people think that HIT and SCT and other high intensity, low volume, low frequency systems do not work. I would like to say otherwise. However, it depends on HOW it is used and WHY it is used, as well as your genetic muscle structure.

If you have a predominance of fast twitch fibers as opposed to slow twitch fibers, then HIT and SCT will work for you. A high volume, high frequency routine won't, because you're VASTLY OVERTRAINING your fast twitch fibers, and, while you're training your slow twitch fibers well, you don't have as MANY as you have FAST twitch fibers. So, why bother training the MINORITY of your muscle cells, while overtraining the cells that make up the MAJORITY of your muscle?

At the same time, those that have more slow twitch fibers than fast twitch need to do more VOLUME, because an HIT/SCT program UNDERTRAINS the majority of their muslces.

That said, anyone that would like to improve their strength can benefit from SCT because the fast twitch fibers are the most important muscle fibers for lifting the heaviest load in the shortest amount of time. Also, I believe any sprinter can benefit enormously from this, as I've shown above. Distance runners.... not so much. The AMOUNT of improvement will vary according to your FT/ST ratio. But all of this is dependent on you training the way you're SUPPOSED to train and keeping your DIET in order!

Next, I do believe that, even for ones that prefer volume training, this system can work for you in short bursts. If you find that an HST style linear progression works for you, then SCT may be the perfect icing on the cake for your "POWER" phase.

Start of with 12-15 reps in all excercises for about 6 weeks, then 6 or 8 reps for 4 weeks, then 3-4 reps for 2 weeks, then, finally, SCT for about another 4 weeks. The cool thing is, SCT may be able to reduce the need for those 2-week "vacation periods" that, for me at least, are very painful to come back from at first. This is because you would be taking a longer rest between workouts for that month and letting your slow-twitch fibers recover while you pound your fast twitch fibers.

In conclusion, you cannot deny the large numbers of people that have made gains in strength that are nothing short of incredible. Assuming you do the program the right way, the AMOUNT of strength you gain is determined by your FT/ST ratio. Also, whether you increase in muscle size or not is affected by the same ratio. I'm interested to know if that one cat who gained 28 pounds of muscle in the 10-week testing period Sisco talks about wasn't mostly FT muscle. To those few who LOST muscle size while on this system, stick with your volume routine, because you probably have a vast majority of slow-twitch fibers, and your muscles shrunk because your ST fibers were undertrained.

Of course, this is just a theory, and should be scientifically tested, but given the information available about FT/ST fibers and the LARGE range of incredible success (or dismal failure) with this system, it deserves some serious thought.

Unregistered
06-05-2006, 02:22 PM
hitting the gym once every 10 days would drive me insane... not to mention I doubt this method is anymore effective for mass than a tradition HIT workout

TRDE59
06-06-2006, 12:13 AM
hitting the gym once every 10 days would drive me insane... not to mention I doubt this method is anymore effective for mass than a tradition HIT workout
well, once a week has been sufficient for gains so far. I'm doing one bodypart a week just like a normal split bodypart training regimen. once it gets to the point that I can only go every 2 or 3 weeks to get results I'm gonna switch programs. Only going to the gym every 2 or 3 weeks means I only see results every 2 or 3 weeks, which is basically a plateau in itself. so, I'll switch back to volume training to see if I'm any stronger in those lifts.

interesting thing to know, though. my first static hold bench press was 430. 5 days later, I was at 520. today (another 5 days later) I lifted 585. seems like it's working to me =D. I'm gonna do this for about 2 more weeks, then see how much (or if) my full range strength improves.

apace
07-03-2006, 04:35 AM
anyone got improvements on the system not strength wise but increase in muscle mass , i am giving it a try on shrugs i will see how it goes in 2 months time , i am increasing the weight and time too but i want to see muscle increase not weight increase

sumitkils
11-14-2006, 07:14 AM
Ok, guys.. I've seen ans read everyone praising, assailing, appreciating, denigrating, even abusing the different methods of weight training by different trainers. Pete Sisco and Mike Mentzer being the most criticized. My friends, but, I've given all those methods there, a good try for a couple of months. And let me let me tell u, that they all have worked me,seriously. Thers' no one way to train like theres' no one way to dance or live ur life.
Whether its the various differing 'PERIODIZATION' techniques (viz. Linear, non-linear or conjugate etc.) or the much debated STATIC CONTRACTION TRAINING or Mentzer's HIT(high intensity training). We must realise and clearly understand that what all the training programs and schedules emphasise is, on adequate 'rest and recovery'. Rest & recovery are essential for one's body to grow without OVERTRAINING, which 80%+ people suffer or deal with. I focussed on appointing the right form and technique which each method puts stress on. The real idea is to stimulate one's muscle and allowing it enough time to recover alongwith appropriate nutrition. Now, be it, PARTIAL RANGE REPS, FULL RANGE REPS, HIT REPS, SCT REPS or about any other kind of reps, they fire the muscles and make them grow.

So, pls next time, make sure, you've applied the right technique to the style of training, u employ. As, I said earlier,"They all work".

james_ashby
11-14-2006, 11:51 PM
There is a farily active group on Yahoo devoted speficially to SCT training on the purpose built Explosive Fitness equipment.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Explosive_Fitness/

MOD
11-15-2006, 02:27 PM
are people still argueing this nonsense?

Hesh
11-20-2006, 11:49 AM
MOD, the Standford link you posted earlier no longer works.

Tyciol
12-23-2006, 11:40 PM
I like the isometric machine idea, it makes a lot more sense, since it wouldn't take time for loading plates, and you can progress more gradually, and it requires no motion at all!

KuJu
11-16-2007, 02:41 AM
If SCT is so great how come noone in competitions like Worlds Strongest Man uses it?

Look at the training regimes of people like Bill Kazmaier - seems to fly in the face of much that Pete Sisco suggests as "science" and yet he is undoubtedly one of the worlds greatest strongmen. Even the most recent records are way below what many people doing SCT claim to be training with - why is this? Because its mechanical not muscular strength. Of course you're gaining muscle but is it useful muscle? No. Think you're strong doing SCT? Get to some gymnastic rings and hold a perfect maltese cross for 10 seconds. Whats that? You cant do it? NO?!!!

Recently I received an email from Pete suggesting his 8 year old daughter can lift well in excess of any amount of weigh available in a single spot in my local gym. An 8 year old girl. Doesnt that tell you there's something wrong here? Ignoring the fact that making a child of that age do things like this is verging on child cruelty and is at best ridiculously irresponsible it also demonstrates a complete lack of either understanding or concern for the way the body actually works. Whichever one it is; it's wrong.

Supporting this guy just beggars belief.

james_ashby
11-23-2007, 11:17 PM
For information on SCT go to the yahoo group:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Explosive_Fitness/

BODYUNS
05-20-2009, 10:03 AM
Ok let me suggest sumthing
first do a full rom excercises and then got to the partials
that'll help

4LeggedDeadEnd
03-24-2010, 05:07 PM
My name is George Walker....and I am replying to all the badmouthing aimed @ Pete Sisco. For one, I am 44 and I have done POF, Static Contraction Training, X Reps, and POWER FACTOR.....

History.....25-30 years training with weights....read everything I could get my hands on, and a good bit of knowledge on the subject.

For one, his program's focuses are ON RECOVERY TIME.....DURATION OF WORKOUTS ETC....

They do work.....Power Factor Training is fine.....but the point they are trying to make is......ONE MORE REP OR ONE MORE LB ON THE BAR IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME as last workout when you performed the same exercise.

It is called the laws of consistent progression......

We here in Richmond have a few "nobodies" that are "old school" and trained with partials, static holds and hybrids.......everybody laughed at them.......till the two went to Ft Lee here to a power lifting competition AND THEY GOT THEIR BUTTS HANDED TO THEM.....

I knew what time it was.....I went on to research the same stuff....in fact...it does work.....but what a person is trying to achieve is the determining factor....not the workout.

You also have things like the power of suggestion, addicted to "the pump", the hormone addiction that happens when the body is releasing hormones after workouts etc.

Addiction.....from what I am reading.....the common denominator among all addictions.....ADRENALINE.....*Psyche Dr. buddy of mine from Duke University

Lot of factors and not trying to muddy the water.....but they do work.

Static Contraction Training Does work......but people are so addicted to "going to the gym"....they don't rest like they should and follow directions...hence...not attaining the results they should.

Lot of factors to consider.....and a lot of them are just mental.....I know I have used so many training strategies......but most of them do work.....to me....ADJUSTING TO Static Contractions and other workouts from Pete Sisco takes some patience but as he states in many of his works...."The hardest thing to do is stay out of the gym...."

Plenty of Universities utilizing some of these strategies......and noticing MEGA results in all areas.....

Just my opinion....

4LeggedDeadEnd
03-24-2010, 05:13 PM
Lot of factors.....but being too worried about what the people in the gym think about your workout.

If all "the boys" are talking smack about it......that is pride and ego......just lip service.

As I said....people ran their mouth about a few guys here till they got their feelings hurt down here @ Ft Lee. They quickly changed their tune....

Oh....and if I am not mistaken....one of these guys in mention....has 2 state power lifting records......

But with the last poster......most of it is mental.....if you think it doesn't work.....IT WON'T!

Istyping
04-01-2010, 06:50 PM
sct

WulfenOne
06-02-2010, 11:10 AM
Has anybody actually tried this workout for a few weeks?

Thanks!
Ryan

Not only have I tried it, but I stuck with it for several months. My bench was at 500 lbs, my leg extensions over 800 lbs, when I stopped. Anyone says that it doesn't work, is sadly mistaken. Try it for yourself, what do you have to lose?? The key is allowing the proper rest, especially as your weights increase.

surfingonsilver
06-02-2010, 04:40 PM
Looking fishy

BearBody
09-06-2010, 05:34 AM
Yeah it works. Here is my two cents.

I am 17 at the moment, relatively new to bodybuilding and have lifted on and off for the past two years. I couldnt work out in the gym consistently because I had a lot of school things going on, and I was too lazy to go the gym. My first three months in the gym didnt give me anything, so I basically quit and bought a dumbell set. That was September 2008. Afterwards I worked out infrequently, using the old-fashioned and classical home training methods. I got very good gains, but I realize that if I want to step up I would have to go to the gym and work out with all the fancy equipments.

So since January 2010 I began to work out seriously in the gym. I read many articles in bodybuilding.com and used a beginning workout program since I consider myself to be a "beginner". Acting on the advice of the "local guy" who happens to be a Personal Trainer at the gym (yeah I know the "local guy", I wasnt smart but at least he was solid ripped and I was not), I hit the gym at least four times a week (and some of the week I hit it five days). One of his unique advises was to work the arms every training day. I thought it was stupid, however I tried it and yeah it worked. I got a more solid round look to my arms, and my body as a whole is developing quite well.

Then the problem comes. I overtrained. I began to feel dizzy during days, yet I found myself having trouble sleeping at night. I knew I was overtraining, which made me look back on my training program. I also realized that my progress with weights arent very good. For the six months I was at the gym, I kept working the same weights over and over again. It was frustrating, and I couldnt see any more development in my body.

Then I came across an article in bodybuilding.com written by Pete Sisco. I proceeded to go to his website, and his stuff seemed interesting. I did not want to get scammed, so I looked for a free online copy and downloaded it. I never looked back since.

Let me just say that it was the most productive and efficient program I have ever used. I chose to go for Power Factor Training system because of one reason: the closest gym at home costs either 90 AUD per month or 15 AUD per training session. I thought I paid good money and didnt want to work for the incredibly short program that SCT offered. So I used the PFT system, and I am happy to say that it worked so well that I decided to officially buy it from Sisco's website. I made more muscle gains (I now have more lean, ripped muscle) in eight weeks than I ever made in six months, and I have never gotten any stronger. Most importantly, to me the increasing numbers is a proof that my strength increased, no doubt about it.

Looking at one of his websites though, I can understand why people would feel its a scam or fraud. Also, I think the equipment Sisco sells based on the SCT is rather ridiculous...so Sisco may know a lot of truths, but he is also a businessman.

But anyway, his system works and I am happy.

So, would this system work for a professional bodybuilder? Probably not.
Would this system work for a guy who wants to enter a local body contest? I am not sure.
But would this system effectively increase strength and make a guy look better topless in the beach? Definitely.