lift that best shows strength

[athenafootball]

what single olympic lift best shows total strength?

discuss-

[gobbles]

what single olympic lift best shows total strength?

discuss-

Clean & jerk, driving the bar from the ground, catching it, squatting it(after catch when bringing it up) and then driving it over head. Thats a lot of overall strength used there, I would say the snatch requires the best form

[athenafootball]

Clean & jerk, driving the bar from the ground, catching it, squatting it(after catch when bringing it up) and then driving it over head. Thats a lot of overall strength used there, I would say the snatch requires the best form

yeah the clean and jerk incorporates more muscles than any other lift i believe.

but yes, i also agree that snatch takes amazing form to execute properly.

[PrivateBaldrick]

Clean and jerk is considered to involve more "strength" than "power," by virtue of the fact that clean recovery is all about strength. Therefore, you will often see that in older weightlifters, snatch drops somewhat with age while clean and jerk may go up.

[athenafootball]

Clean and jerk is considered to involve more "strength" than "power," by virtue of the fact that clean recovery is all about strength. Therefore, you will often see that in older weightlifters, snatch drops somewhat with age while clean and jerk may go up.

interesting fact about when you get older.

[scott_donald]

clean and press... but they stopped doing that a few years back...

[athenafootball]

clean and press... but they stopped doing that a few years back...

is it better because press is harder than jerk?

[scott_donald]

is it better because press is harder than jerk?

jerk uses legs... where as the press uses more shoulders...

http://tomgorman.moonfruit.com/shanehamman

read about it there.... awesome site...

[athenafootball]

jerk uses legs... where as the press uses more shoulders...

http://tomgorman.moonfruit.com/shanehamman

read about it there.... awesome site...

wow amazing site!!!

ill rep you when i recharge.. not that my measly rep power of 3 will mean much to you

[scott_donald]

wow amazing site!!!

ill rep you when i recharge.. not that my measly rep power of 3 will mean much to you

you have 170... but ye it is awesome...

[athenafootball]

you have 170... but ye it is awesome...

wow, you are the man

[gobbles]

you have 170... but ye it is awesome...

woah, howd you do that?

[scott_donald]

woah, howd you do that?

168 for you...

[John Prophet]

so I have 2 to choose from huh?

[athenafootball]

woah, howd you do that?

lol :)

[scott_donald]

so I have 2 to choose from huh?

no i cheated i went old school...

[athenafootball]

so I have 2 to choose from huh?

??

[gobbles]

168 for you...

Wow, thanks for that, and for the new section!

[athenafootball]

Wow, thanks for that, and for the new section!

yeah this is an awesome new section

thank you!

[Carmen0857]

clean and press... but they stopped doing that a few years back...

I agree, standing OHP would be the best, although it is not in any competitions anymore, it is more of a powerlift than an olympic lift though.

[athenafootball]

I agree, standing OHP would be the best, although it is not in any competitions anymore, it is more of a powerlift than an olympic lift though.

yeah great lift that calls on the shoulders

[GoJu]

the lifts were meant to display these things:

clean and press - strength
snatch - gymnastics
clean and jerk - mix of the two

so for pure strength the clean and olympic press would be probably be the best lift to show it IMO, however more weight can be used on the clean and jerk.

[tatortotajigalo]

i think snatch is the best one, it seems like it would put a MASSIVE amount of stress on the shoulders.

[GoJu]

i think snatch is the best one, it seems like it would put a MASSIVE amount of stress on the shoulders.

snatch would best show technique IMO, I once remember watching a vid of Dan John saying he never really coaches the clean because he believed if you have the technique down for snatch you'll have the clean easy.

[athenafootball]

yeah if you can master the snatch then cleans are easy. probably important to understand clean technique before attempting snatch though IMO

[miles1]

Clean and jerk all the way .


THIS SECTION IS COOL. THANKS FOR MAKING IT !

[athenafootball]

yeah this section owns!!

[Arlecchino]

I believe the press was discontinued due to inconsistency in the judging. While some judges still required a strict press, many were allowing back bend to snap the bar up, or even a little bit of hip/leg drive, so the lift was removed from competition.

[PrivateBaldrick]

I believe the press was discontinued due to inconsistency in the judging. While some judges still required a strict press, many were allowing back bend to snap the bar up, or even a little bit of hip/leg drive, so the lift was removed from competition.

That's right. Just go back and look at videos of lifters from the 50s and compare it to presses from the 70s. Paul Anderson's were strict military presses, while Alexeyev's 230kg was more like a jerk.

[athenafootball]

That's right. Just go back and look at videos of lifters from the 50s and compare it to presses from the 70s. Paul Anderson's were strict military presses, while Alexeyev's 230kg was more like a jerk.

yes, its too easy to cheat on a press.

[Arlecchino]

But it should not be. The C&P was an exceptional lift for developing not only technique, but an exceptional strength base for the jerk.

Bill Starr wrote a great article in MILO a while back, entitled 'Bring Back the Press.'

It is fairly simple to tell who is back bending or kicking the weight up. Just enfore the rules.

[athenafootball]

do u think the clean is more dangerous than the jerk?

[Arlecchino]

I do not think either is particularly dangerous. I seem to recall a couple of studies in the Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research showing that OL had a lower injury rate than PL, and both having one lower than BB. I will see if I can find them when I get home from work.

Both portions of the lift have their risks, but one of the things that should be taught is how to bail out from under the bar.

[athenafootball]

I do not think either is particularly dangerous. I seem to recall a couple of studies in the Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research showing that OL had a lower injury rate than PL, and both having one lower than BB. I will see if I can find them when I get home from work.

Both portions of the lift have their risks, but one of the things that should be taught is how to bail out from under the bar.

yeah snatch can definitely be bad.

someone also posted a vid in this section of a guy tearing his rotator cuff doing a one armed DB snatch!!

form is so important and understanding what muscles should be used in the lift

[the iron junkie]

Some of those lifts mentioned require quite a lot of technique

compared to a press which is relatively simple motion where its just brute force

[HitItHard]

jerk uses legs... where as the press uses more shoulders...

http://tomgorman.moonfruit.com/shanehamman

read about it there.... awesome site...

nice, thnx bkmrkd

[Sugar Shane123]

i would have to go with the clean and jerk for this one

[athenafootball]

i would have to go with the clean and jerk for this one

seems like most people have said that one

[Arlecchino]

Just to be contrary, I will take this opportunity to state that technique plays a great deal of difference in the amount of brute power required. By way of example, a strong single puller (not too many of them any more, but the first one that springs to mind is an old-timer named George Frenn, who was also the first man to hit both an 800 squat and dead in a PL meet) will utilize far more strength than someone who is not as strong but is able to impart more force to the bar through superior technique.

In other examples, in older articles both Patera and Redding had more strength on assistance lifts, particularly the squat, than Alexeev, yet he out-totaled them both through superior technique.

To muddy the waters even further, some individuals have superior technique in one lift, yet poor technique in another. Even the great Tommy Kono said that he hated practicing the snatch, and he s-pulled it every time, yet still managed to set a world record in the lift. He cleaned far greater weight, but his technique was sharper, so one has to wonder at what point do we draw the line between skill and strength?

[Mr. G.B.]

jerk uses legs... where as the press uses more shoulders...

http://tomgorman.moonfruit.com/shanehamman

read about it there.... awesome site...

Absolutely amazing website.

Everyone should check out the forgotten lifts page! Very interesting stuff.

TANDEM LIFTING!??!! TEETH LIFT???

Good stuff ;) Love the new section.

[PrivateBaldrick]

If you were intrigued by tandem lifting, check out this vid of my coach and another guy power cleaning and jerking 225kg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-OMWjNz6aY

Harder than it sounds.

[tophenator]

The Snatch requires a tremendous amount of power, speed and balance. Because the Snatch is a one motion overhead lift you have to make the weight explode off of the floor with so much power that you give the weight a tremendous amount of upward momentum. This allows you the opportunity to quickly squat under the bar with your arms fully extended. To stand up you are going from a butt to the floor squat with the weight fully extended over your head with a wide grip. The snatch is the most difficult for people to learn and then learn how to execute well.

[marco187]

The Snatch requires a tremendous amount of power, speed and balance. Because the Snatch is a one motion overhead lift you have to make the weight explode off of the floor with so much power that you give the weight a tremendous amount of upward momentum. This allows you the opportunity to quickly squat under the bar with your arms fully extended. To stand up you are going from a butt to the floor squat with the weight fully extended over your head with a wide grip. The snatch is the most difficult for people to learn and then learn how to execute well.

Very true b/c I'm trying to learn the snatch right now. Believe me it isn't easy. I could power clean and jerk all day but the snatch is killing me.

[Thaigga]

i can only snatch 135lb. And i almost died doing it lol