ANABOLIC TRIGGER has arrived! 1st Specialized Pre-Workout Protein

[NutrabolicsJon.]

Hi Everyone,

Attached you can find information on our brand new ANABOLIC TRIGGER product. (http://www.nutrabolics.com/products/anabolictrigger.html)

This is the first ever protein formula developed specifically for pre-workout nutrientation.

Science confirms (see below) that drinking a specialized protein/carb/amino drink (like Anabolic Trigger) before working out is the most effective way to increase muscle growth.

The product has just been launched and BB.com should be getting theirs next week. I have been told that when we get our new batch of this product in the sales office I wil be allowed to send out some bottles as samples.

Nutrabolics' Anabolic Trigger and Nutrabolics' Anabolic Window together form the ultimate protein system for pre- & post-workout nutrientation.

If you are interested in possibly sampling this product let me know.

-Jon
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1: Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2001 Aug;281(2):E197-206.
Timing of amino acid-carbohydrate ingestion alters anabolic response of muscle to resistance exercise.

Tipton KD, Rasmussen BB, Miller SL, Wolf SE, Owens- Stovall SK , Petrini BE, Wolfe RR.

Department of Surgery, University of Texas Medical Branch, Galveston , Texas 77550 , USA .

Recent work performed at the University of Texas Medical School in Galveston found that consuming a small preworkout protein-carb meal may help with recovery and muscle building.

The study focused on a small liquid meal taken before weight training. The researchers found that consuming a protein/carb drink before a workout can significantly increase the amount of muscle-building amino acids your muscles suck up during the workout and over the next few hours. The increase in amino retention amounted to roughly 150% more than when the same drink was consumed immediately after a severe one-hour leg thrashing. This is significant because amino acid retention is a major step in creating or enhancing the anabolic environment in muscle and in promoting better and faster recovery and growth.

[Outside backer]

damn how many screen names u got or am I confusing u with another

[NutrabolicsJon.]

damn how many screen names u got or am I confusing u with another

Same person...For some reason my password doesnt work on the other one...I guess I need some vinpocetine!

[NutrabolicsJon.]

NUTRABOLICS Anabolic Trigger (MANGO)

Anabolic Protein Matrix: 20g
Buckwheat Protein Factions, Spray Dried Bovine Serum Plasma, Purified Bovine Colostrum Extract, Partially Microfiltered Whey Protein Concentrate

Insulinotropic Carbohydrate Matrix: 42g
Waxy Maize starch, Hydrolyzed Rice Syrup, D-Glucose, Sucrose, Instantized Maltodextrin

Anabolic Amino Matrix: 14g
Glycine, Beta-Alanine,L-leucine, L-Isoleucine, L-Valine, Beta Alanine Ethyl Ester HCL, Beta Alanine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, L-Leucine Ethyl Ester HCL, L-Leucine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, L-Isoleucine Ethyl Ester HCL, L-Isoleucine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, L-Valine Ethyl Ester HCL, L-Valine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, Methylguanidinoacetic Acid

Hemo-Flow Matrix 1000mg
Japanese Pagoda Tree Extract
Gotu Kola
Horse Chestnut Seed Butchers Broom
Ginkgo Biloba
Hawthorn Berry
Ginger

[Docta J]

Just thought I'd point this out, but it says pre-workout muscle activating protein, but under the suggested use section it says to consume within 45 minutes post-workout.

[Carmen0857]

Looks interesting...

[ZDub212]

NUTRABOLICS Anabolic Trigger (MANGO)

Anabolic Protein Matrix: 20g
Buckwheat Protein Factions, Spray Dried Bovine Serum Plasma, Purified Bovine Colostrum Extract, Partially Microfiltered Whey Protein Concentrate

Insulinotropic Carbohydrate Matrix: 42g
Waxy Maize starch, Hydrolyzed Rice Syrup, D-Glucose, Sucrose, Instantized Maltodextrin

Anabolic Amino Matrix: 14g
Glycine, Beta-Alanine,L-leucine, L-Isoleucine, L-Valine, Beta Alanine Ethyl Ester HCL, Beta Alanine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, L-Leucine Ethyl Ester HCL, L-Leucine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, L-Isoleucine Ethyl Ester HCL, L-Isoleucine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, L-Valine Ethyl Ester HCL, L-Valine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, Methylguanidinoacetic Acid

Hemo-Flow Matrix 1000mg
Japanese Pagoda Tree Extract
Gotu Kola
Horse Chestnut Seed Butchers Broom
Ginkgo Biloba
Hawthorn Berry
Ginger

That looks awesome...and MANGO?? I would love to try this, either sample + review or log + review :)

[Chthon]

When will this be available? I got an email today about it and would like a sample.

[NutrabolicsJon.]

Just thought I'd point this out, but it says pre-workout muscle activating protein, but under the suggested use section it says to consume within 45 minutes post-workout.

Good Eye! I cant even find that! Where does it say that?

[NutrabolicsJon.]

That looks awesome...and MANGO?? I would love to try this, either sample + review or log + review :)

Yeah, the mango is killer...I used to love the Pineapple Mango flavor of ERgopharm GF Pro but could never find it anymore so this flavor was a very welcome addition.

[NutrabolicsJon.]

When will this be available? I got an email today about it and would like a sample.

Product launched late last week.

[NutrabolicsJon.]

What does everyone think of the new ad for this product?

Also...have any of you had a chance to check out the new Nutrabolics/Batista videos on www.nutrabolics.com ? What do you think?

[ZDub212]

Yeah, the mango is killer...I used to love the Pineapple Mango flavor of ERgopharm GF Pro but could never find it anymore so this flavor was a very welcome addition.

So shall I PM you for a sample + review...or a log + review...or?

[Chthon]

I like it

[NutrabolicsJon.]

So shall I PM you for a sample + review...or a log + review...or?

Yeah....I dont have any to send out for review right now but if i am allowed when we get more in i will let you know.

[NutrabolicsJon.]

I like it

Me too:)
I have been taking Anabolic Trigger pre-workout, Growth Factor during training, and Anabolic Window post-workout and am loving it...I find it the perfect stimulant-free supplement/nutrient stack for growth & recovery.

[NutrabolicsJon.]

Do any of you guys currently take protein pre-workout?

[dangetinthere]

NUTRABOLICS Anabolic Trigger (MANGO)

Anabolic Protein Matrix: 20g
Buckwheat Protein Factions, Spray Dried Bovine Serum Plasma, Purified Bovine Colostrum Extract, Partially Microfiltered Whey Protein Concentrate



I somewhat remember Legal Gear getting their ass reamed out about using Buckwheat Protein. (I am not saying that it is bad) But of course they got **** for everything. In some ways it looks like history is repeating itself with some other similar companies. (not naming any names but its not yours)

[Chthon]

I've taken I pro before and after workout.

[NutrabolicsJon.]

I somewhat remember Legal Gear getting their ass reamed out about using Buckwheat Protein. (I am not saying that it is bad) But of course they got **** for everything. In some ways it looks like history is repeating itself with some other similar companies. (not naming any names but its not yours)

I havent done too much research on it, although I have read it has high biological value and is extremely high in the essential amino acids arginine and lysine.

[Outside backer]

wtf!

Horse Chestnut Seed Butchers Broom

This blend combines two herbs commonly used in the prevention and reduction of varicose veins . It can also promotes good circulation and reduce water retention. Butcher's Broom is a modern woman's wonder-herb. The roots and young stems of this plant are used medicinally. It promotes healthy circulation - especially to the hands and feet. Feeling bloated? Use Butcher's Broom to encourage comfortable water balance. Relieve the pressure of womanhood with Butcher's Broom! A woman's favorite, Horse Chestnut is great for anyone with circulatory concerns. It's a popular herbal aid for promoting circulation, especially to the legs. Herbalists recommend Horse Chestnut for those struggling with unsightly varicose leg veins. Horse Chestnut can improve the tone of veins and increase the flow of blood through them. Scientific studies have also shown that Horse Chestnut can reduce edema

[dangetinthere]

I havent done too much research on it, although I have read it has high biological value and is extremely high in the essential amino acids arginine and lysine.

Personally I think it sounds great. The product as a whole looks great. I would like to try it some time.


Here is a good one for you.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10478451&dopt=Abstract

[JCAZ2010]

Very nice formula, how's it going to be priced? I'm guessing 1-2$ a serving?

[NutrabolicsJon.]

wtf!

Horse Chestnut Seed Butchers Broom

This blend combines two herbs commonly used in the prevention and reduction of varicose veins . It can also promotes good circulation and reduce water retention. Butcher's Broom is a modern woman's wonder-herb. The roots and young stems of this plant are used medicinally. It promotes healthy circulation - especially to the hands and feet. Feeling bloated? Use Butcher's Broom to encourage comfortable water balance. Relieve the pressure of womanhood with Butcher's Broom! A woman's favorite, Horse Chestnut is great for anyone with circulatory concerns. It's a popular herbal aid for promoting circulation, especially to the legs. Herbalists recommend Horse Chestnut for those struggling with unsightly varicose leg veins. Horse Chestnut can improve the tone of veins and increase the flow of blood through them. Scientific studies have also shown that Horse Chestnut can reduce edema

These ingredients increase circulation and blood-flow; by consuming Anabolic Trigger pre-workout, these amino acids are available during a period of increased blood flow to the muscle cell.

[NutrabolicsJon.]

Personally I think it sounds great. The product as a whole looks great. I would like to try it some time.


Here is a good one for you.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10478451&dopt=Abstract

Wow, great link man...Thanks! I know the study is on rats, but the fact that Buckwheat Protein consumption causes muscle hypertrophy and reduces body fat is definitely exciting...

[MorePower]

Definitely would be interested in trying this out.

[EMISGOD]

Would it be possible to get Androgenic or dino to review this?

[Kledz]

Would it be possible to get Androgenic or dino to review this?

God I hope so.


Didnt Legal Gear release a protein product with Buckwheat Protein in it like 3 years ago? I don't see much thats too impressive here... its basically a protein and carb mix with various aminos.

Oh, they're EE'd and AKG'd, nevermind, I'm sure that will make it worth the typical nutrabolics price tag. :rolleyes:

[NutrabolicsJon.]

God I hope so.


Didnt Legal Gear release a protein product with Buckwheat Protein in it like 3 years ago? I don't see much thats too impressive here... its basically a protein and carb mix with various aminos.

Oh, they're EE'd and AKG'd, nevermind, I'm sure that will make it worth the typical nutrabolics price tag. :rolleyes:

A basic protein and carb drink with aminos?

How many protein/carb/amino drinks have this profile:

PROTEIN: Buckwheat Protein Factions, Spray Dried Bovine Serum Plasma, Purified Bovine Colostrum Extract, Partially Microfiltered Whey Protein Concentrate

CARBS: Waxy Maize starch, Hydrolyzed Rice Syrup, D-Glucose, Sucrose, Instantized Maltodextrin

AMINOS: Glycine, Beta-Alanine,L-leucine, L-Isoleucine, L-Valine, Beta Alanine Ethyl Ester HCL, Beta Alanine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, L-Leucine Ethyl Ester HCL, L-Leucine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, L-Isoleucine Ethyl Ester HCL, L-Isoleucine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, L-Valine Ethyl Ester HCL, L-Valine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, Methylguanidinoacetic Acid

And have a special herbal matrix to increase blood flow and circulation pre-training?

I dont know about you, but this makes my pre-workout meal a whole lot easier....

[NutrabolicsJon.]

Didnt Legal Gear release a protein product with Buckwheat Protein in it like 3 years ago?

To my knowledge, Legal Gear has and so has this company:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/kem/pro.htm

BWP is a great protein source, but it is not the only protein source; Anabolic Trigger also has Spray Dried Bovine Serum Plasma, Purified Bovine Colostrum Extract, and Partially Microfiltered Whey Protein Concentrate as the other sources of protein in this product.

[SHOWTIME]

That looks awesome...and MANGO?? I would love to try this, either sample + review or log + review :)

x2 I understand you dont have any samples now but when you do get them, I would like to sample and review it!

[dangetinthere]

Wow, great link man...Thanks! I know the study is on rats, but the fact that Buckwheat Protein consumption causes muscle hypertrophy and reduces body fat is definitely exciting...

I thought you might like that. :)

Dan

[Atheimetal]

Definitely looks enticing, but the thought of the potential price tag is scaring me a little. Any word on price? 24 servings is kind of odd as well..

And it definitely says to be taken within 45 minutes post workout... not pre.

[Kledz]

A basic protein and carb drink with aminos?

How many protein/carb/amino drinks have this profile:

PROTEIN: Buckwheat Protein Factions, Spray Dried Bovine Serum Plasma, Purified Bovine Colostrum Extract, Partially Microfiltered Whey Protein Concentrate

CARBS: Waxy Maize starch, Hydrolyzed Rice Syrup, D-Glucose, Sucrose, Instantized Maltodextrin

AMINOS: Glycine, Beta-Alanine,L-leucine, L-Isoleucine, L-Valine, Beta Alanine Ethyl Ester HCL, Beta Alanine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, L-Leucine Ethyl Ester HCL, L-Leucine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, L-Isoleucine Ethyl Ester HCL, L-Isoleucine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, L-Valine Ethyl Ester HCL, L-Valine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, Methylguanidinoacetic Acid

And have a special herbal matrix to increase blood flow and circulation pre-training?

I dont know about you, but this makes my pre-workout meal a whole lot easier....

Whey+BCAAs+your choice of carbs > whatever it is you plan on charging for this... Not to mention the entire carb source and diet argument.


"special herbal matrix"? Pleeeeeeease, I believe I can safely say in no way will any of that make even a negligible difference.

[NutrabolicsJon.]

Definitely looks enticing, but the thought of the potential price tag is scaring me a little. Any word on price? 24 servings is kind of odd as well..

And it definitely says to be taken within 45 minutes post workout... not pre.

The "suggested use" on the website is wrong; I think that is what our Anabolic Window suggested use is...the label states to be taken 20-30 minutes pre-workout...I will send a memo to get our web designer to change the site tomorrow. Thanks for the heads up.

Not sure on price...I know the cost of proteins has gone up but this isnt a straight protein obviously...

[NutrabolicsJon.]

Whey+BCAAs+your choice of carbs > whatever it is you plan on charging for this... Not to mention the entire carb source and diet argument.


"special herbal matrix"? Pleeeeeeease, I believe I can safely say in no way will any of that make even a negligible difference.

I guess you'll just have to buy it to find out:)

[Kledz]

I guess you'll just have to buy it to find out:)

Cool, I'll keep you in mind if I start to have bloody dumps and ass itching anytime soon :)

Japanese Pagoda Tree (Sophora japonica)

Japanese pagoda tree extract is one of the best herbal supplement for naturally treating hemorrhoids. Clinical studies have found that this herbal extract successfully eliminated the hemorrhoids symptoms with an amazing 94% success rate.

[NutrabolicsJon.]

Cool, I'll keep you in mind if start to have bloody dumps and ass itching anytime soon :)

Japanese Pagoda Tree (Sophora japonica)

Japanese pagoda tree extract is one of the best herbal supplement for naturally treating hemorrhoids. Clinical studies have found that this herbal extract successfully eliminated the hemorrhoids symptoms with an amazing 94% success rate.

Sounds good.

[Da Main Man]

anabolic trigger pre and anabolic window post looks......um.......i like the bottles :D

any chance this will be available in australia for less the $119.00?
(ur aussie price for anabolic window is horrible)

[dirtydean12]

Definitely looks enticing, but the thought of the potential price tag is scaring me a little. Any word on price? 24 servings is kind of odd as well..



If it is one serving pre-wo then 24 would last you a month solid...not that bad.

[Docta J]

Good Eye! I cant even find that! Where does it say that?

On the right of the ingredient label scan near the bottom of the page :)

[cantelmi]

NUTRABOLICS Anabolic Trigger (MANGO)

Anabolic Protein Matrix: 20g
Buckwheat Protein Factions, Spray Dried Bovine Serum Plasma, Purified Bovine Colostrum Extract, Partially Microfiltered Whey Protein Concentrate

Insulinotropic Carbohydrate Matrix: 42g
Waxy Maize starch, Hydrolyzed Rice Syrup, D-Glucose, Sucrose, Instantized Maltodextrin

Anabolic Amino Matrix: 14g
Glycine, Beta-Alanine,L-leucine, L-Isoleucine, L-Valine, Beta Alanine Ethyl Ester HCL, Beta Alanine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, L-Leucine Ethyl Ester HCL, L-Leucine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, L-Isoleucine Ethyl Ester HCL, L-Isoleucine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, L-Valine Ethyl Ester HCL, L-Valine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, Methylguanidinoacetic Acid

Hemo-Flow Matrix 1000mg
Japanese Pagoda Tree Extract
Gotu Kola
Horse Chestnut Seed Butchers Broom
Ginkgo Biloba
Hawthorn Berry
Ginger

Hey Jon when is this coming out in Aus i really wanna try it. I love Nutrabolics products, im still using anabolic window and NOZ. Also what would u recomend 4 a nutrabolics bulking stack.

Thanks

Carmine

[bongd]

Holy ****. I am surprised to look at the ingredients. They look like they're VERY well thought out. This sure beats my WMS + BCAA blend. I would love to give this a try when it's released!!

What's the price going to be for this??? You guys are based out of Richmond, BC, right? I'm on Vancouver Island... I might have to come down to the mainland and raid you guys some time soon. Lots of great products coming out lately! :D ;)

Edit/Addendum:

I'm Filipino so the mango flavor might make or break things. If it tastes like crap, it's another ****ty tasting pre workout supplement... but if it tastes good, I'm in trouble. Mangoes are like kryptonite for us brown people. My credit card bill will end up skyrocketing if it tastes great :o

[ZDub212]

Cool, I'll keep you in mind if I start to have bloody dumps and ass itching anytime soon :)

Japanese Pagoda Tree (Sophora japonica)

Japanese pagoda tree extract is one of the best herbal supplement for naturally treating hemorrhoids. Clinical studies have found that this herbal extract successfully eliminated the hemorrhoids symptoms with an amazing 94% success rate.

WTH...this is the company promotion section...you realize you're not supposed to crash a thread like this...

[RobW]

Same person...For some reason my password doesnt work on the other one...I guess I need some vinpocetine!

Jon,

Welcome back....I thought we had lost you for good, but I suppose you will be back every time you have a NEW product to PIMP...

I have a tip for your password, try: RODNEY...

[TE]

Jon,

Welcome back....I thought we had lost you for good, but I suppose you will be back every time you have a NEW product to PIMP...

I have a tip for your password, try: RODNEY...

lol

[NutrabolicsJon.]

anabolic trigger pre and anabolic window post looks......um.......i like the bottles :D

any chance this will be available in australia for less the $119.00?
(ur aussie price for anabolic window is horrible)

I am not 100% sure on the price for AU. I do know there are alot of duties, and shipping costs involved, in getting products to AU so that could be the reasoning. We dont hike the prices up in the international market, they reflect additional costs involved.

[NutrabolicsJon.]

If it is one serving pre-wo then 24 would last you a month solid...not that bad.

Correct. It is only 1 serving per day....strictly pre-workout.

[NutrabolicsJon.]

Hey Jon when is this coming out in Aus i really wanna try it. I love Nutrabolics products, im still using anabolic window and NOZ. Also what would u recomend 4 a nutrabolics bulking stack.

Thanks

Carmine

Hey Carmine!
It should be there soon. I guess it depends if the last Nutrabolics shipment to AU went via air or sea...I would check with your AU retailer as they would definitely know better.
I am really loving my current Nutrabolics Stack:
Anabolic Trigger Pre-Workout
Growth Factor intra-workout
Anabolic Window Post-Workout

LEt me know what you think.

[NutrabolicsJon.]

Holy ****. I am surprised to look at the ingredients. They look like they're VERY well thought out. This sure beats my WMS + BCAA blend. I would love to give this a try when it's released!!

What's the price going to be for this??? You guys are based out of Richmond, BC, right? I'm on Vancouver Island... I might have to come down to the mainland and raid you guys some time soon. Lots of great products coming out lately! :D ;)

Edit/Addendum:

I'm Filipino so the mango flavor might make or break things. If it tastes like crap, it's another ****ty tasting pre workout supplement... but if it tastes good, I'm in trouble. Mangoes are like kryptonite for us brown people. My credit card bill will end up skyrocketing if it tastes great :o

Trust me....IT TASTES GOOD...almost too good, compared to what else is out there in a "mango" flavor. I remember trying a prototype for a pineapple vanilla version of AT and you could actually taste the herbals in it, so that wasnt good, but this one went down good!
The ingredients are pretty good in my book! Anyone who says otherwise is definitely just hating! This is not a simple whey/bcaa/carb mix - IMO this beats any pre-workout meal.

[NutrabolicsJon.]

Jon,

Welcome back....I thought we had lost you for good, but I suppose you will be back every time you have a NEW product to PIMP...



This is the company promotion section isnt it?

[NutrabolicsJon.]

What does everyone think of the new ad for this product?

[gountilfailure0]

yeah i was very happy with the nutrabolics products i tried even when i heard so many bad things on here tried them and was glad i did:)

[NutrabolicsJon.]

yeah i was very happy with the nutrabolics products i tried even when i heard so many bad things on here tried them and was glad i did:)

Cool.

Which products have you tried from our company?

[leonidas300]

I have been using Anabolic Window for the past couple of months and think it is an excellent product that is priced better than any other competing product. This looks like another solid addition. Again, I know you guys catch a lot of crap on this forum, but it looks like you all have cleaned up a bit and are releasing great products. Just don't lie about the ingredients in your products and you should be fine around here now, some companies put your guys past antics to shame.

[Madevilz]

looks like a good product if the price is right

[Kledz]

WTH...this is the company promotion section...you realize you're not supposed to crash a thread like this...

Excuse me? "crash a thread"? Whats wrong with anything I've posted so far? Theres nothing wrong with criticism in the company promotion forum.

Your post "crashed" more than any of mine, at least mine stayed on topic.

So what the hell are you talking about?

[NutrabolicsJon.]

Excuse me? "crash a thread"? Whats wrong with anything I've posted so far? Theres nothing wrong with criticism in the company promotion forum.

Your post "crashed" more than any of mine, at least mine stayed on topic.

So what the hell are you talking about?

Cant we all just get along?

[gountilfailure0]

tried insulin k and clenbutical

[NutrabolicsJon.]

I have been using Anabolic Window for the past couple of months and think it is an excellent product that is priced better than any other competing product. This looks like another solid addition. Again, I know you guys catch a lot of crap on this forum, but it looks like you all have cleaned up a bit and are releasing great products. Just don't lie about the ingredients in your products and you should be fine around here now, some companies put your guys past antics to shame.

Glad you like the AW. I think I saw your thread on it in another forum.
If you liked AW I am sure you will like Anabolic Trigger.

[NutrabolicsJon.]

tried insulin k and clenbutical

Cool.
Check out this new boxed fat loss kit we have with InsuLeanK and Clenbutical. You basically get the Diubolic for free along with a diet plan based on your age/weight:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/nbol/cut.htm

[An Inconvenient Bro]

This is the first ever protein formula developed specifically for pre-workout nutrientation.

completely false.




Although I will hand it to you, your formula looks solid.

[Kledz]

Cant we all just get along?

I've said my opinion on how the blend looks to me, my stomach hurts just looking at it. Then zacharymills started making up forum rules. Regardless, I'm done here unless instigated. Please enjoy the thread...

[Segansational]

First off, I was a bit skeptical about what this product would be... but looking at the ingredients, I think the formula looks solid. I haven't tried buckwheat protein and I'm not sure about some of the herbals, but the inclusion of WMS and hydrolyzed rice syrup is very nice.

What does everyone think of the new ad for this product?


Ad looks pretty good. Batista's a beast. But I think him punching the bag in the background is somewhat strange... should've had him wrestling.

This looks like another solid addition. Again, I know you guys catch a lot of crap on this forum, but it looks like you all have cleaned up a bit and are releasing great products. Just don't lie about the ingredients in your products and you should be fine around here now, some companies put your guys past antics to shame.

Agreed. Good luck! And I'd love to try a sample when they're available!

[ZDub212]

Excuse me? "crash a thread"? Whats wrong with anything I've posted so far? Theres nothing wrong with criticism in the company promotion forum.

Your post "crashed" more than any of mine, at least mine stayed on topic.

So what the hell are you talking about?

I quoted the wrong person, I apologize.

[SwolenONE]

I wish NutraBolics success with this, I have only used one NutraBolics product ever, it was SuperFats, but this new product does look interesting/ has a solid looking (on paper) forumla, I hope to hear rave reviews, especially due to the HRS and WMS and amino blend

[Docta J]

What does everyone think of the new ad for this product?

The new ad looks sweet man :)

[CanadaBBOY]

That looks awesome...and MANGO?? I would love to try this, either sample + review or log + review :)

Yea that actually does look really good...

If you need a Canadian tester that is near your home-base let me know :)

[CanadaBBOY]

Holy ****. I am surprised to look at the ingredients. They look like they're VERY well thought out. This sure beats my WMS + BCAA blend. I would love to give this a try when it's released!!

What's the price going to be for this??? You guys are based out of Richmond, BC, right? I'm on Vancouver Island... I might have to come down to the mainland and raid you guys some time soon. Lots of great products coming out lately! :D ;)

Edit/Addendum:

I'm Filipino so the mango flavor might make or break things. If it tastes like crap, it's another ****ty tasting pre workout supplement... but if it tastes good, I'm in trouble. Mangoes are like kryptonite for us brown people. My credit card bill will end up skyrocketing if it tastes great :o


I didn't know you were on Vancouver island, that is also where I am from. I'm typing this from the Chemistry building at UVIC...

Balllin!

[bignpisst]

I cant wait to try it

[NutrabolicsJon.]

Product has been added to our nutrabolics.com store (http://www.nutrabolics.com/store/index.php) and should be at BB.com next week (I hope).

The Suggested Retail Price on the product in our store is $79.95 USD. I am pretty sure it will be priced similar to Anabolic Window at BB.com, around the $50-$55 range.

All in all it is around $2 per serving, which is pretty good considering what is in it. The price of this product will not go up per the recent whey protein price increase - this is the final price.

[BigCool]

Looks great. A little expensive for me, but the ingrediant profile looks awesome. Hmm... 15% off nutrabolics this month, is that still going on?

[NutrabolicsJon.]

Looks great. A little expensive for me, but the ingrediant profile looks awesome. Hmm... 15% off nutrabolics this month, is that still going on?

Yup - 15% off all this month!

[TinyMan]

I'll hand it to you guys. On paper, the formula looks like it has some potential - I'd be interested in seeing how it pans out from there (that is, the real world). Say hi to Jim for me, if he's still there.

[Lonny]

Jon, will Rodney happen to get a CoA for any of the ingredients in this? Or have it tested? If so could he give them to you to post?

[Madevilz]

Product has been added to our nutrabolics.com store (http://www.nutrabolics.com/store/index.php) and should be at BB.com next week (I hope).

The Suggested Retail Price on the product in our store is $79.95 USD. I am pretty sure it will be priced similar to Anabolic Window at BB.com, around the $50-$55 range.

All in all it is around $2 per serving, which is pretty good considering what is in it. The price of this product will not go up per the recent whey protein price increase - this is the final price.

why is it so freaking expensive in Canadian currency?

[cantelmi]

Hey Carmine!
It should be there soon. I guess it depends if the last Nutrabolics shipment to AU went via air or sea...I would check with your AU retailer as they would definitely know better.
I am really loving my current Nutrabolics Stack:
Anabolic Trigger Pre-Workout
Growth Factor intra-workout
Anabolic Window Post-Workout

LEt me know what you think.


When i finish cutting im going to start that stack but ill prob add some GH stack as well i really want 2 try it.

[NutrabolicsJon.]

why is it so freaking expensive in Canadian currency?

Not really...The SRP is $80USD and around $90CDN. That works out to around the same equivalent.

[albedo]

Interesting...I'm a new Nutrabolics customer, just finishing up my first tub of Anabolic Window but I liked the results enough to order two more tubs off bb.com. Based on those results, I'd be interested in combining this product with AW to see if I can get even better gains.

A quick question though. If one were to take AT and AW, would it still be advisable to supplement further with a creatine/NO product on the side? I see that AW has some creatine in it, but it's listed as in part of a blend so I don't know how exactly how much creatine is in AW. I don't see any in AT but as I understand it post-workout is the best time to take creatine anyways. I generally aim to take around 2-3g of creatine monohydrate per day.

Also, I would imagine that the product ingredients in AT are aimed at providing energy for workouts as well as assisting with gains, yes?

Thanks!

[CanadaBBOY]

Product has been added to our nutrabolics.com store (http://www.nutrabolics.com/store/index.php) and should be at BB.com next week (I hope).

The Suggested Retail Price on the product in our store is $79.95 USD. I am pretty sure it will be priced similar to Anabolic Window at BB.com, around the $50-$55 range.

All in all it is around $2 per serving, which is pretty good considering what is in it. The price of this product will not go up per the recent whey protein price increase - this is the final price.

For 24 servings that is a bit high... At 30 servers per container I think it would be do-able, but right now it's a tough call. Definatly better than say Omega-one, even for the price.

[italionstallion]

Yea that actually does look really good...

If you need a Canadian tester that is near your home-base let me know :)

It certainly does look good, and I'd be happy to test it for you CBB to make sure it tastes good enough for you to drink :)

[NutrabolicsJon.]

This product just arrived at BB.com's FL warehouse so it should hit the site by tomorrow (I hope).

I will be posting some info on an amazing new meal replacement we are coming out with called ISO-MRP.

This will be a unique formula that IMHO is far superior to anything else on the market and quite possibly could be the "perfect meal".

Update on that product coming next week.....

-Jon

[NutrabolicsJon.]

Product should be up on the site today. It is in stock at bb.com!

[Segansational]

Product should be up on the site today. It is in stock at bb.com!

Cool, waiting to see the price on this. Any update on samples?

[NutrabolicsJon.]

Cool, waiting to see the price on this. Any update on samples?

No word yet on samples....hopefully soon.

[murph]

any news on the mrp?

[NutrabolicsJon.]

ANABOLIC TRIGGER IS IN STOCK:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/nbol/anabolictrigger.html

[NutrabolicsJon.]

any news on the mrp?

I should have the label for the new ISO-MRP next week...its a killer formula...unlike anything on the market...most companies say that but this is for real!

[TheUnlikelyToad]

I should have the label for the new ISO-MRP next week...its a killer formula...unlike anything on the market...most companies say that but this is for real!

You used that line with ISO-BAR, so does ISO-MRP have HFCS in it as well?

[NutrabolicsJon.]

You used that line with ISO-BAR, so does ISO-MRP have HFCS in it as well?

No, it will be composed of isolate proteins, unrefined organic complex carbohydrates, and essential fatty acids as the core foundation of the formula....IMO it is the "perfect meal".
I will post a label next week once I get approval.

[dvsness]

Interesting. I was reading Anssi's take on buckwheat in the current issue of MD.

[TheUnlikelyToad]

Interesting. I was reading Anssi's take on buckwheat in the current issue of MD.

...and?

[NutrabolicsJon.]

Interesting. I was reading Anssi's take on buckwheat in the current issue of MD.

The August Issue? What page?

[dvsness]

...and?

He reviewed Kemistry's product. P208-210.

Cliffs - rat studies are promising (muscle hypertrophy, fat loss, favorable effects on blood lipids), calls buckwheat a "high-quality protein source".

[TheUnlikelyToad]

He reviewed Kemistry's product. P208-210.

Cliffs - rat studies are promising (muscle hypertrophy, fat loss, favorable effects on blood lipids), calls buckwheat a "high-quality protein source".

Imagine that, Legal Gear may have been on to something...

[NutrabolicsJon.]

Here is some info on a study done on Buckwheat Protein by a major Japanese Pharmaceutical Company (www.kissei.co.jp).


Muscle hypertrophy in rats fed on a buckwheat protein extract.

Kaya****a J, Shimaoka I, Nakajoh M, Kondoh M, Hayashi K, Kato N.

Kissei Pharmaceutical Company, Matsumoto, Japan.

Growing rats were examined for the influence of a buckwheat protein diet on muscle weight and protein. In experiment 1, the rats were fed on a diet containing either casein or a buckwheat protein extract (BWPE) as the protein source (10%, 20% or 30%) for 5 wk. The relative weights (g per kg of body wt) of the gastrocnemius, plantaris and soleus muscles were higher in the BWPE-fed animals than in the casein-fed ones, but were unaffected by the dietary level of protein. These differences were not associated with growth. In experiment 2, the rats were fed on either a casein or BWPE diet at the 20% protein level for 5 wk. BWPE intake significantly elevated the gastrocnemius muscle weight, carcass protein and water, and reduced carcass fat. These results demonstrate that BWPE consumption causes muscle hypertrophy, elevates carcass protein and water, and reduces body fat.

PMID: 10478451 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[murph]

anything you can post on you're new MRP?

[NutrabolicsJon.]

anything you can post on you're new MRP?

Not yet....hopefully Friday!

[pump.u.up.]

Interesting. I was reading Anssi's take on buckwheat in the current issue of MD.

Was his review positive?

[BigNick85]

definately interested in sampling!

[DRP7]

NUTRABOLICS Anabolic Trigger (MANGO)

Anabolic Protein Matrix: 20g
Buckwheat Protein Factions, Spray Dried Bovine Serum Plasma, Purified Bovine Colostrum Extract, Partially Microfiltered Whey Protein Concentrate

Insulinotropic Carbohydrate Matrix: 42g
Waxy Maize starch, Hydrolyzed Rice Syrup, D-Glucose, Sucrose, Instantized Maltodextrin

Anabolic Amino Matrix: 14g
Glycine, Beta-Alanine,L-leucine, L-Isoleucine, L-Valine, Beta Alanine Ethyl Ester HCL, Beta Alanine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, L-Leucine Ethyl Ester HCL, L-Leucine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, L-Isoleucine Ethyl Ester HCL, L-Isoleucine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, L-Valine Ethyl Ester HCL, L-Valine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, Methylguanidinoacetic Acid

Hemo-Flow Matrix 1000mg
Japanese Pagoda Tree Extract
Gotu Kola
Horse Chestnut Seed Butchers Broom
Ginkgo Biloba
Hawthorn Berry
Ginger



what exactely is "Spray Dried Bovine Serum Plasma"? is this derived from milk or from blood? sorry for the dumb question but I really would like to know.

[Progressive8]

Wow this looks awesome, anabolic window was the only nutrabolics product i ever used and it was amazing, i would LOVE to try a sample of this!

[Lonny]

Jon, will Rodney happen to get a CoA for any of the ingredients in this? Or have it tested? If so could he give them to you to post?

Product has been released, so I would assume independant CoA's have been done on the product and/or ingredients. Care to post?

[pump.u.up.]

Yeah anabolic window is amazing. More serving for a lower price of highly quality than almost any other specially disigned post workout supplement. 12 grams of bcaas and creatines and so on is a little underdosed but the do use EE so it might still be very good. Everything about it is great but I would like to know how much protein is hydrolyized. Myozene seems a little better though cause of higher dosages of more proven ingredients (not 100 percent more effective but there is a large debate going on about EE vs original) and a complete 25 grams of ALL hydrolyized protein. Anabolic window is almost unmatched though for post workout.

[Progressive8]

agreed, anabolic window was one of the top like 6 or 7 SUPPLEMENTS i have ever used, although after using torrent, i would give that a SLIGHT edge over AW, and myogenix aftershock is also a very close 3rd for post workout.Yeah anabolic window is amazing. More serving for a lower price of highly quality than almost any other specially disigned post workout supplement. 12 grams of bcaas and creatines and so on is a little underdosed but the do use EE so it might still be very good. Everything about it is great but I would like to know how much protein is hydrolyized. Myozene seems a little better though cause of higher dosages of more proven ingredients (not 100 percent more effective but there is a large debate going on about EE vs original) and a complete 25 grams of ALL hydrolyized protein. Anabolic window is almost unmatched though for post workout.

[RobW]

Jon,

What happened to you Man, we miss you!!

[dito]

:d

[TE]

Product has been released, so I would assume independant CoA's have been done on the product and/or ingredients. Care to post?

LOL.

[pump.u.up.]

agreed, anabolic window was one of the top like 6 or 7 SUPPLEMENTS i have ever used, although after using torrent, i would give that a SLIGHT edge over AW, and myogenix aftershock is also a very close 3rd for post workout.

Meh I don't think torrents better. Mabey price wise but I like the ingredient profile in AW better.

Ones thigns for sure though anabolic trigger (carbs, proteins, and bcaa) is something that everyone should be training with instead of NO2/stimulants all the time. Naturally when people need strength and energy they eat. Anabolic trigger is perfect though because it has everything that you would naturally need. Complex carbs, bcaas and everything. Very solid formula. My friends (destroya) going to order some and test it out and i'll let you know what he thinks.

[ericgonzalez]

Product has been released, so I would assume independant CoA's have been done on the product and/or ingredients. Care to post?

LOL

*watches Jon slip away quietly again*

[Progressive8]

well torrent dosent have as much of an obscure propritary formula, meaning i know it has 8 full grams of leucine, 3 full grams of creatine etc. window tastes a bit better, torrent mixes a bit better, window has better and more protein, but i like torrents carb blend with WMS better, the reason i give the overall edge to torrent is i got slightly better gains from it and it was a little less bloating, but both were fantastic products as i said.Meh I don't think torrents better. Mabey price wise but I like the ingredient profile in AW better.

Ones thigns for sure though anabolic trigger (carbs, proteins, and bcaa) is something that everyone should be training with instead of NO2/stimulants all the time. Naturally when people need strength and energy they eat. Anabolic trigger is perfect though because it has everything that you would naturally need. Complex carbs, bcaas and everything. Very solid formula. My friends (destroya) going to order some and test it out and i'll let you know what he thinks.

[Geneticssuck]

I love Anabolic Window---great recovery.

Anabolic Trigger looks like another good product. These are the types supplements that I find beneficial vs the prohormones , test boosters etc.

I am getting AW for about 60 bucks Canadian ---enough servings for over a months workouts so if AT is the same price I will be getting a tub asap.

[Jon-Nutrabolics]

I love Anabolic Window---great recovery.

Anabolic Trigger looks like another good product. These are the types supplements that I find beneficial vs the prohormones , test boosters etc.

I am getting AW for about 60 bucks Canadian ---enough servings for over a months workouts so if AT is the same price I will be getting a tub asap.

Yes, it is the exact same price.

[pump.u.up.]

well torrent dosent have as much of an obscure propritary formula, meaning i know it has 8 full grams of leucine, 3 full grams of creatine etc. window tastes a bit better, torrent mixes a bit better, window has better and more protein, but i like torrents carb blend with WMS better, the reason i give the overall edge to torrent is i got slightly better gains from it and it was a little less bloating, but both were fantastic products as i said.



Which one did you take first?

As for the leucine yeah it has a leucine edge but there are alot of esters in AW but it's highly debatable which forms are better (orginal or esters). They both seem to have advantages on each other but I don't even know if AW has a protein advantage anymore cause I don't know how much is hydrolyzed because it's a blend which means they could of put like 5 grams of it in the 30 gram blend. There's not much a a price difference. 24 grams vs 15 but the prices varry. The waxy maze on torrent is really good. However AW has L-Glycine and alot of really good ****. There both just so good. How would you compare their formulas to myozene?

[Progressive8]

i took aw first, then myogenix aftershock, then torrent(and btw torrent has glycine too) i have never tried myozene but in terms of ingredient profile i think all three are slightly better, even though apprently there is some new research out about how antioxdents post-workout can hinder your muscle gains, i think aftershock had the most complete profile because it had all three BCAA's free from, an anti-oxident complex, and a joint complex, it uses kre-akalin though(and possibly a very small dose) so it is weakest in the creatine area, it had the best taste of the 3 BY FAR THOUGH!(i used the oragne flavor), i got great gains from all of them though and would recommend any of the 3 very highly

Which one did you take first?

As for the leucine yeah it has a leucine edge but there are alot of esters in AW but it's highly debatable which forms are better (orginal or esters). They both seem to have advantages on each other but I don't even know if AW has a protein advantage anymore cause I don't know how much is hydrolyzed because it's a blend which means they could of put like 5 grams of it in the 30 gram blend. There's not much a a price difference. 24 grams vs 15 but the prices varry. The waxy maze on torrent is really good. However AW has L-Glycine and alot of really good ****. There both just so good. How would you compare their formulas to myozene?

[Mr. Aries]

this is a very impressive product.. I'm surprised that this is the first time I noticed it.. Might pick up a bottle when I'm done with the mountain of different proteins I just bought.

[pump.u.up.]

i took aw first, then myogenix aftershock, then torrent(and btw torrent has glycine too) i have never tried myozene but in terms of ingredient profile i think all three are slightly better, even though apprently there is some new research out about how antioxdents post-workout can hinder your muscle gains, i think aftershock had the most complete profile because it had all three BCAA's free from, an anti-oxident complex, and a joint complex, it uses kre-akalin though(and possibly a very small dose) so it is weakest in the creatine area, it had the best taste of the 3 BY FAR THOUGH!(i used the oragne flavor), i got great gains from all of them though and would recommend any of the 3 very highly

Well I know myozene has by far got the , fastest, most anabolic and greatest insulin spiking protein of any formula. Also a great 18 gram blend of L-Leucine, Creatine Monohydrate, L-Glutamine and L-Taurine along with another blend of (don't know dosage) Beta Vulgaris Powder, L-Carnitine, L-Tartrate, and Calcium-Ketoisocaproic Acid. This is what my friend is taking right now. It's one of the more expensive ones he says but he believes it's the best. Also aftershock seems to kind of have a low dosage of leucine compared to others because it's not estered or anything. I mean torrent has like 8 grams of a leucine blend and i'm willing to bet the myozene has at leat 5-6 grams of leucine in the 18 gram blend. Also aftershock doesn't have alot of carbs for glcoygen replenishment or insulin spiking. It has alot of protein and some good **** in it though. Very good price to.

My list goes like this. This may be inaccurate even to my opinion though because I don't know how much complete spectrum whey protein hydrolysate AW has in it's amazing protein blend which is the only reason i'm placing it in third.

1. Myozene (can't beat it's protein)
2. Torrent (Almost the same thing as anator but less money)
3. Anabolic Window (it needs a bigger blend of it's ingredients)
4. Aftershock
5. Anator (placed lower cause it is the most expensive)


Of all these though Myozene has the best protein and AW has the second best.

[ericgonzalez]

Methylguandinoacetic acid...... sexaaaay.

[Dedicatedforlife]

Interesting...Cost?

[pump.u.up.]

Interesting...Cost?


Better off not knowing but the retail price is 90 bucks for 24 servings. I think it's a little overpriced but I don't care it is very solid.

[Progressive8]

yea the carb thing is what actully scares me about myozene as i have some endomorphic tendancies, so i see 30 grams of simple suger and get a bit worried, also post workout bloating is an issue for me, cause i always wanna get that big, whole food post workout meal in an hour after and it's always hard for me. Also, with myozenes blend, im assuming it has around 5 grams of creatine mono, which is also hard on my digestive tract(and imho i think i only need like 2-3 grams pre/post tops anyway) so yea i wouldnt wanna pay extra for ingredeints i dont need or want. Im not saying myozene isent good, on the contrary it's ingredient profile is excellant, i just think it's probably more suited toward an ectomorphic body type. Btw about the protein in all these, it was actully proven by a recent study(it's a very famous one but im not bothering to post a link at the moment lol) that a protein BLEND even post workout, of whey and casien, produced the best gains in lean muscle, and as far as i know, the only strictly post workout sup i know to use a blend is extreme formulations NEW version of Relentless that was just released.Well I know myozene has by far got the , fastest, most anabolic and greatest insulin spiking protein of any formula. Also a great 18 gram blend of L-Leucine, Creatine Monohydrate, L-Glutamine and L-Taurine along with another blend of (don't know dosage) Beta Vulgaris Powder, L-Carnitine, L-Tartrate, and Calcium-Ketoisocaproic Acid. This is what my friend is taking right now. It's one of the more expensive ones he says but he believes it's the best. Also aftershock seems to kind of have a low dosage of leucine compared to others because it's not estered or anything. I mean torrent has like 8 grams of a leucine blend and i'm willing to bet the myozene has at leat 5-6 grams of leucine in the 18 gram blend. Also aftershock doesn't have alot of carbs for glcoygen replenishment or insulin spiking. It has alot of protein and some good **** in it though. Very good price to.

My list goes like this. This may be inaccurate even to my opinion though because I don't know how much complete spectrum whey protein hydrolysate AW has in it's amazing protein blend which is the only reason i'm placing it in third.

1. Myozene (can't beat it's protein)
2. Torrent (Almost the same thing as anator but less money)
3. Anabolic Window (it needs a bigger blend of it's ingredients)
4. Aftershock
5. Anator (placed lower cause it is the most expensive)


Of all these though Myozene has the best protein and AW has the second best.

[pump.u.up.]

yea the carb thing is what actully scares me about myozene as i have some endomorphic tendancies, so i see 30 grams of simple suger and get a bit worried, also post workout bloating is an issue for me, cause i always wanna get that big, whole food post workout meal in an hour after and it's always hard for me. Also, with myozenes blend, im assuming it has around 5 grams of creatine mono, which is also hard on my digestive tract(and imho i think i only need like 2-3 grams pre/post tops anyway) so yea i wouldnt wanna pay extra for ingredeints i dont need or want. Im not saying myozene isent good, on the contrary it's ingredient profile is excellant, i just think it's probably more suited toward an ectomorphic body type. Btw about the protein in all these, it was actully proven by a recent study(it's a very famous one but im not bothering to post a link at the moment lol) that a protein BLEND even post workout, of whey and casien, produced the best gains in lean muscle, and as far as i know, the only strictly post workout sup i know to use a blend is extreme formulations NEW version of Relentless that was just released.


I thought sudies showed hydrolysate protein produced the most muslce.

[Progressive8]

none that im aware of, the one im refering to is from the sports nutrition journal 2006, i have never heard of a study that showed whey hydro to be superior in terms of building lean muscle, just that it's absorbed fasterI thought sudies showed hydrolysate protein produced the most muslce.

[pump.u.up.]

none that im aware of, the one im refering to is from the sports nutrition journal 2006, i have never heard of a study that showed whey hydro to be superior in terms of building lean muscle, just that it's absorbed faster

Yeah but the faster acting protein is the one that is absorbed better PWO. That's why companys put them in their strictly pwo formulas. Hydrolyized protein is absorbed nearly immedietley and used during the anabolic window peroid and not only that but it spikes insulin. Whey protein isolate isn't fast enough to take full advantage of this window and because it has to go through standard digestion and stuff it's not always absorbed as well even when taking in normal times such as lunch. The ability to get right into the blood stream and spike insulin in the process is very effective. This is like creatine vs CEE. The CEE absorbs faster and better because (well at least it's said to there is a large debate on which form is better) it absorbs faster.


http://www.tetrazene.com/research-myozene.jsp

[Progressive8]

ok, first of all, i would rather have a more anabolic protein, than a "faster acting one" that has no research backing it up proving thats it's better, CEE is the worst from of creatine i have ever used (like the BSN products that i tried that had CEE in them were extremely ineffective for me), and new preliminary research seems to indicate that LESS creatine is absorbed with CEE than with mono, finally....u gave me a link to BIOQUEST'S OWN WEBSITE to try to say why whey hydro(the kind in myozene) is best....are u a rep dude? o.OYeah but the faster acting protein is the one that is absorbed better PWO. That's why companys put them in their strictly pwo formulas. Hydrolyized protein is absorbed nearly immedietley and used during the anabolic window peroid and not only that but it spikes insulin. Whey protein isolate isn't fast enough to take full advantage of this window and because it has to go through standard digestion and stuff it's not always absorbed as well even when taking in normal times such as lunch. The ability to get right into the blood stream and spike insulin in the process is very effective. This is like creatine vs CEE. The CEE absorbs faster and better because (well at least it's said to there is a large debate on which form is better) it absorbs faster.


http://www.tetrazene.com/research-myozene.jsp

[pump.u.up.]

ok, first of all, i would rather have a more anabolic protein, than a "faster acting one" that has no research backing it up proving thats it's better, CEE is the worst from of creatine i have ever used (like the BSN products that i tried that had CEE in them were extremely ineffective for me), and new preliminary research seems to indicate that LESS creatine is absorbed with CEE than with mono, finally....u gave me a link to BIOQUEST'S OWN WEBSITE to try to say why whey hydro(the kind in myozene) is best....are u a rep dude? o.O


The protein is more anabolic dude. Also speed and bioavability and insulin spiking is what you need after your workout and this protein is perfect for that. BSN creatines have worked alot better than mono for me and I think there is research proving it's better than mono and it's just logic to because all cee is is creatine attatched to the EE to help transport them rapidly into the blood. So why would mono be better? Anyway cell-mass owns any creatine mono and even any micronized creatine mono formula on the market in my opinion. Yeah the research is on their site but ....References:
1. Cribb PJ et al. Int J Sports Nutr Exerc Metab 2006;16(5).
2. Manninen AH. Br J Sports Med. 2006 Sep 1; [Epub ahead of print]

Calbet JA, MacLean DA. Plasma glucagons and insulin responses depend on the rate of appearance of amino acids after ingestion of different protein solutions in humans. J. Nutr. 2002 Aug;132(8):2174-82.

Kasatra B, et al. Effects of increasing insulin secretion on acute post-exercise blood glucose disposal. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2006 Feb;38(2):268-75

Koopman R, et al. Combined ingestion of protein and free leucine with carbohydrate increases post-exercise muscle protein synthesis in vivo in male subjects. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2005 Apr;288(4):E645-53

Crowe MJ et al. Effects of dietary leucine supplementation on exercise performance. Eur J Appl Physiol. 2005 Oct 29: 1-9.



These are proven studies and do I look like a rep to you at 16?








Oh and more references.
Abubakar et al (Tohoku Journal of Agricultural Research 47(1-2):1-8 (1996).
Chemical Abstracts 114:82552 (Komura et al), 1990.
Mullally et al., “Angiotensin-I-converting enzyme inhibitory activities of gastric and pancreatic proeinase digest of whey proteins.” International Diary Journal, vol. No. 7, (1997), pp. 229-303, XP00953726; Correspondence (Reprint) address, R.J. Fitzgerald, Dep. Of Life Sci., Univ. of Limerick, Limerick, Republic of Ireland; the whole document.
Nakamura Y. Yamamoto N. et al., Antihypertensive effect of peptides derived from casein by an extracellular proteinase form Lactobacillus helveticus CP790. Journal of Diary Science 77:917-922 (1994).
Roy, G. “Bitterness: reduction and inhibition.” Trends in Food Science and Technology 3:85-91 (1992).
Yamamoto et al. “Antihypertensive peptides derived from food proteins” Biopolymers 43:129-134 (1997).
Adler-Nissen J: “Enzymic hydrolysis of food proteins” 1986, Elsevier Applied Science Publishers, London and NY XP002122275 p. 59-62 and p. 94-96.
Bernal and Jelen “Effectiveness of lactose hydrolysis in Cottage cheese Whey for the development of whey drinks” Milchwissenchaft 44:222-225 (1989).
Cushman D W & Cheung HS. “Spectrophotometric assay and properties of the angiotensin converting enzyme in rabbit lung” Biochem. Pharmacol. 20:163 7-1648 (1971).
Maubois et al., “Les peptides du lait a activite physiologique III. Peptides du lait a effect cardiovasculaire: activites antithrombotique” Lait 71,249:955 (1991).
Masuda et al., “Angiotensin I converting enzyme inhibitory peptides generated from sardine muscle by protease of food industry” Journal of the Japanese Society for Food Science and Technology 39(8):678-683 (1992-abstract.
Reed, G. “Enzymes in Food Processing, ” Academic Press, Second Edition, pp. 33-37, Apr. 1975.


http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/publications/Publications.htm?seq_no_115=176930
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/130/10/2508

[Progressive8]

none of those studys prove whey hydro is more anabolic than a whey/casein blend,cellmass was the worst creatine product i ever used and the ONLY one i didnt see gains from(mono has given me great gains usually) and logic(brologic) isent research, the new creatine studys say that CEE will convert to creatintine much more easily in the stomach than mono, thus losing most of it's effects, and finally, u are in the red and hocking bioquest's products in a million other threads, yea u look like a rep.The protein is more anabolic dude. Also speed and bioavability and insulin spiking is what you need after your workout and this protein is perfect for that. BSN creatines have worked alot better than mono for me and I think there is research proving it's better than mono and it's just logic to because all cee is is creatine attatched to the EE to help transport them rapidly into the blood. So why would mono be better? Anyway cell-mass owns any creatine mono and even any micronized creatine mono formula on the market in my opinion. Yeah the research is on their site but ....References:
1. Cribb PJ et al. Int J Sports Nutr Exerc Metab 2006;16(5).
2. Manninen AH. Br J Sports Med. 2006 Sep 1; [Epub ahead of print]

Calbet JA, MacLean DA. Plasma glucagons and insulin responses depend on the rate of appearance of amino acids after ingestion of different protein solutions in humans. J. Nutr. 2002 Aug;132(8):2174-82.

Kasatra B, et al. Effects of increasing insulin secretion on acute post-exercise blood glucose disposal. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2006 Feb;38(2):268-75

Koopman R, et al. Combined ingestion of protein and free leucine with carbohydrate increases post-exercise muscle protein synthesis in vivo in male subjects. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2005 Apr;288(4):E645-53

Crowe MJ et al. Effects of dietary leucine supplementation on exercise performance. Eur J Appl Physiol. 2005 Oct 29: 1-9.



These are proven studies and do I look like a rep to you at 16?








Oh and more references.
Abubakar et al (Tohoku Journal of Agricultural Research 47(1-2):1-8 (1996).
Chemical Abstracts 114:82552 (Komura et al), 1990.
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[1-Testosterone]

what exactely is "Spray Dried Bovine Serum Plasma"? is this derived from milk or from blood? sorry for the dumb question but I really would like to know.

Bovine Serum Plasma that is Spray Dried :D

[1-Testosterone]

Product has been released, so I would assume independant CoA's have been done on the product and/or ingredients. Care to post?

The font you are using is too small. You need to put it like this:

Product has been released, so I would assume independant CoA's have been done on the product and/or ingredients. Care to post?

[Lonny]

The font you are using is too small. You need to put it like this:

Product has been released, so I would assume independant CoA's have been done on the product and/or ingredients. Care to post?

Of course!!! Thats what the problem was! thanks 1 Test!

[pump.u.up.]

none of those studys prove whey hydro is more anabolic than a whey/casein blend,cellmass was the worst creatine product i ever used and the ONLY one i didnt see gains from(mono has given me great gains usually) and logic(brologic) isent research, the new creatine studys say that CEE will convert to creatintine much more easily in the stomach than mono, thus losing most of it's effects, and finally, u are in the red and hocking bioquest's products in a million other threads, yea u look like a rep.

Yes more anabolic than casien. I showed you the study. However there was never a study comparing hydrolysate to isolate. If there was one though we all know what the results would be. First off on the studies look how much lean muscle people gain from whey protein hydrolysate ALONE. Now tell me whey protein isolate can do that. I don't think so. Now whey protein hydrolysate is going to be absorbed directly into the blood stream rapidly and in the process spike insulin and absorb alot better and have better bioavability. So you tell me what do you think honestly is going to be more effective at building muscle tissue. Not to mention after workouts alot of the isolated protein will not take full oppurtunity of it because it is to slow. As for CEE all I can say is most people I know including me have better gains with CEE. I am red for telling people MT products work and to stop crying about it. Thirdly I am 16 years old and I am not pimping bioquest in every thread just simply myozene in a few threads because it is an effective product. How the hell can I be a rep. I'm just a teenager who happened to like the results hydrolysate protein gave me. ON's 100% whey barley did anything for me. Hydrolysated protein however has helped me considerably and especially when taken after a workout.

[1-Testosterone]

I have read many Nutrabolic Threads here. I think everytime the users have demanded the COA's, Nutrabolics have stayed away from COA's.

This thread is useless without COA's.

I don't understand the point, Nutrabolics shells out so much $$ in ads, why not put fraction of them to get the COA's and satisfy the board members?

[Progressive8]

The SCIENTIFIC STUDY in the journal of sports nutrition proved that whey+casien is superior to an equal quantity of whey or casein alone, i personally didnt get good results from ON's whey either(which btw has concentrate,isolate AND hydrosolate)but i got much better results from the blends i have used(two examples being syntrax matrix 5.0 and met-rx metamyosn), and if u want to get into THEORY insted of the HARD FACTS like from the study, the reason that i think a blend is better is A)differnt digestion rates rates providing a constant flow of amino acids,B) complementary and synergistic amino acid profiles, and C) potenially better uptake because having whey and casein together is more similar to how it is found in nature(in milk), whereas in nature, whey and casein would never be found completely seperate, and u certainly wouldnt have isolates or hydrolates. Until there is a study proving whey hydro is more anabolic than any other amount of equal protein, it's not worth the extra price imho. Now as for the rep thing, if u truly arent a rep, then u have my SINCERE apologies, but if u are, lying about your age is hardly convincing, and u werent just pimping myozene in other threads, but also bioquest's new protein powder that is about to come out....and bioquest dosent make very many products. Since your in the red and given the way u defend bioquests products,it's easy to see why im a bit suspicous, and im not the first forum member to think so ^_~. Also i completely disagree with u about CEE, of all the forms of creatine out there(not including the useless syrum) CEE is my least favorite. Give me mono,DCM,MCC,TCM ANY DAY of the week over CEE. I have only used 2 products ever that i got great gains from that used CEE, and BOTH products had 2 other forms of creatine in them...from CEE alone i got....pretty much nothing...
If u want to get into theory then ok, why would esterifying creatine be more bioavailbe than say, bonding it to malic acid(an intermediate in the krebs cycle) aka DCM AND TCM?
And saying(like u did about the protein) that it may be absorbed faster is...irrelavant at best, because the the new study sugests that the rapid uptake is more likely to make more of the creatine convert to useless creatinine.In addition(more brotogoly for u), would a time released creatine be more effective than a rapid uptake creatine where most isent used and much is either converted to creatinine or sits in your stomach and causes bloating? (more brotogloy) Isent slow digestion better than fast? like how protein blends and complex carbs are better for u than single proteins and simple sugers? Ya see i can make a convincing theoretical argument myself, but all that really matters to me is the scientific studys, not brotology,and the PRELIMINARY studys seem to suggest that AT BEST CEE is equal to mono, and at worse is less effective.
(Yes more anabolic than casien. I showed you the study. However there was never a study comparing hydrolysate to isolate. If there was one though we all know what the results would be. First off on the studies look how much lean muscle people gain from whey protein hydrolysate ALONE. Now tell me whey protein isolate can do that. I don't think so. Now whey protein hydrolysate is going to be absorbed directly into the blood stream rapidly and in the process spike insulin and absorb alot better and have better bioavability. So you tell me what do you think honestly is going to be more effective at building muscle tissue. Not to mention after workouts alot of the isolated protein will not take full oppurtunity of it because it is to slow. As for CEE all I can say is most people I know including me have better gains with CEE. I am red for telling people MT products work and to stop crying about it. Thirdly I am 16 years old and I am not pimping bioquest in every thread just simply myozene in a few threads because it is an effective product. How the hell can I be a rep. I'm just a teenager who happened to like the results hydrolysate protein gave me. ON's 100% whey barley did anything for me. Hydrolysated protein however has helped me considerably and especially when taken after a workout.