My Current Diet

[Beast]

Attached is my diet on my high carb (400 gram) days. I am trying to lose a little fat at the moment while still gaining some size. The basis behind my diet is to basically get all my carbs around my workout when they will be positively utilized.

[wildman536]

i understand your theory but how much are you trying to Gain?

((because its been said over and over again that unless you are on AAS then Gaining Muscle and Losing Fat isnt an Option.))

Not trying to flame just interested.

[Beast]

Forgot to mention, the above diet is for Mon, Tues, Thurs, and Fri. On Wed and Sat (cardio days), I drop the amount of carbs during each meal by 1/2.

[Beast]

i understand your theory but how much are you trying to Gain?

((because its been said over and over again that unless you are on AAS then Gaining Muscle and Losing Fat isnt an Option.))

Not trying to flame just interested.

It's all about partitioning.

[wildman536]

It's all about partitioning.
true but It all depends on Total Cals In Vs. Total Cals Burned right. so if you are going to Gain youll have to be in a Cal Excess and to Burn youll have to be under. ((i know you know that)) but how do you explain how your going to Gain and Lose at the same time?

like i said im not trying to flame or insult, ive seen your results with your contests and stuff.

just would like your take on how you are going to accompolish this.

(Diet looks sound too)

[Jahkaya]

Wildman:

Not True. Although I beleive that one should focus on one goal or the other one can easily do both. Newbies do it all the time. Though I am not a newbie(well almost) While cutting I have lost 10LBS in 9 weeks and change and increased my strength and lifts, Simply by upping my protein to almost 400 grams a day while monitoring my carb and fat intake closely.

In Dereks case I am sure he can do it, mostly because he is so anal (in a good way) with his diet. I don't expect him to drop several percentages, but I would bet money that he could lose at least a percentage point while still gaining weight. It looks like he is not intending to gain massive amounts seeing his calories, but the best way to gain is slow and steady, otherwise look to gain fat.

Anyway my Question is:

Derek,

Do you feel that it works for you to use that much Whey? I am always concerned about using whey more than twice a day(not including my pre-workout, 15-30 mins proir, meal) I only intake Whey once during the day and then my PWO shake.

It would be so much easier to use Whey, oats and flax for meals. It would just make eating so simple and Quick. What whey do you use?

[Beast]

[QUOTE=wildman536]true but It all depends on Total Cals In Vs. Total Cals Burned right. so if you are going to Gain youll have to be in a Cal Excess and to Burn youll have to be under. ((i know you know that)) but how do you explain how your going to Gain and Lose at the same time?
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It's not as black and white as cals in/cals out. Not all calories are equal. Timing of nutrients determines a lot as well. Plus I have my good freind SesaThin.

[wildman536]

seriously yall im not trying to sound like a Prick!!

i also do think that you can Add Lean Mass while Burning Fat. but for the Noobs that do look at this thread and you (Beast) and hold you up high theyd benefit from knowing how to also.

Good Luck bro!!

[Jahkaya]

Wild:

I hear ya, but they should also know that Beast has been training for years and years without a cheat meal, and gets his diet down to a science with exacting porportions. When a newbie does this then they too can add lean muscle while losing body fat percentage. But it would be a slow loss of fat and a slow gain of muscle.

If they think they can just do exactly what beast does and get the same results they'd be wrong. Different body composition. Derek's Metabloism is much higher due to his age, frequency of eating and his high ratio of muscle mass. His body is a fat burning machine even when he is bulking.

[wildman536]

good point. sorry for seeming like a punk.

Good Luck with the Diet bro!! keep us posted.

[Jahkaya]

You didn't sound like a punk at all. It was a very good question. It is one of the most difficult things to do,gain muscle and lose fat, but the body is a wonderful and adaptive thing. If you feed and train correctly your body usually has no choice but do what you force it to. Now if I can just tune into my own body chemistry as well as Dereks that would be awesome.

So, Mr. Beast, about all the Whey.....Do you find that it is okay to use "supplements" as half your meals? I have always been choking down Tuna just so that I have real food.

[Beast]

I just use whey pre/post workout and the hours after. I do this for a couple reasons:
1. It's fast absorbing
2. It's convinent
3. It's cheaper than chicken :)

Seriously though, since I am at school usually from 9 AM until the late afternoon, this is just easier for me and it is effective.


On to the other topic. What is more important than calories consumed/calories burned is fat consumed/fat burned. If you body needs to burn more fat than you intake, you will use your stores fat. Remember that we use more fat than carbs at rest. Also, muscle does not give up its glycogen for the body (it lacks the enzyme that allows glucose to leave the muscle cell). So keeping your muscle glycogen high, by eating a lot of carbs around your workouts, you keep your muscles happy and create a stimulus for growth. While later on you keep your blood sugar levels stable and cause your body to burn fat.

Granted, of course one would gain more mass if they ate a ton (like I was :D) and one would lose more with less calories. I am simply doing a happy medium. I'm pretty confident it will work.

[Sixpack]

Derek u did not list the meals u are taking your sesathin with at all, u are taking 7 fish oil caps with how many servings of our good friend seasathin

[Beast]

I take 1 serving of SesaThin with my post workout shake. The next serving with my second oatmeal/milk/whey meal, and my 3rd serving at my 7 PM (eggs) meal.

[koolplay]

hi

just a question of why you take a lot of sugars around your workout, although it is in the morning, is it for faster absorption ? would you take the same meals if your work out was later in the day?

[Beast]

hi

just a question of why you take a lot of sugars around your workout, although it is in the morning, is it for faster absorption ? would you take the same meals if your work out was later in the day?

Yes I take the dextrose because it is fast absorbing. If I lifted later in the day, I would probably cut the dextrose in the post workout shake out, but keep the pre and during the same.

[believer]

It looks like there's an error on the Cheerio's nutrition information. Do you really eat 1 1/4 cups or do you eat 50g of carbs worth (approx. 2 cups) ?

[Cosmonaut]

Would this type of diet work without sesathin - gain mass/lose fat, or is it absolutely needed?

[hepennypacker52]

Hey Derek, why the dextrose pre, and during your workout? A lower-GI carb source would better fit for pre workout, and all you really need during your workout is water, unless you're doing some sort of endurance training.

And how do you eat that much oatmeal??? I've tried, but all that fiber has me either in the bathroom all day, or constapated.

[Sixpack]

Read down a little bit bro this is what he said

"Yes I take the dextrose because it is fast absorbing. If I lifted later in the day, I would probably cut the dextrose in the post workout shake out, but keep the pre and during the same."
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[hepennypacker52]

Read down a little bit bro this is what he said

"Yes I take the dextrose because it is fast absorbing. If I lifted later in the day, I would probably cut the dextrose in the post workout shake out, but keep the pre and during the same."


I see now, he uses the dex to get some energy fast because he works out first thing in the morning, thanks, I didn't really think about that when I first read over the diet.

[wanttobearnold]

I see now, he uses the dex to get some energy fast because he works out first thing in the morning, thanks, I didn't really think about that when I first read over the diet.
I don't think I would quite say it is to get some energy fast. It is more about getting the muscles to replenish glycogen stores as quickly as possible and keeping your body as anabolic as possible. It is something called nutrient timing. search google about it.

[Beast]

To add to what has been said, you don't digest/absorb much of anything while you exercise. So if I was to eat oatmeal right before I worked out, it would just sit in my gut for awhile. Detrose, which is pure glucose, does not need to be digested as it is already single glucose molecules.

[Big Mike Spat]

Hey Derek,
Is there any reason why u are using whey during your workout opposed to ICE or a BCAA product? Thanks

[Beast]

Hey Derek,
Is there any reason why u are using whey during your workout opposed to ICE or a BCAA product? Thanks

I was out, but now I am using EAA/BCAA.

[blockzilla]

How does your diet on your off days compare to days when you train? I'm guessing only the pre and post workout meals change but I'm curious as to how they are restructured.