Women...define 'alpha male'. side issue, PTs who r alpha

[John Prophet]

A subject I find very fascinating.

id like to hear the women weigh in on

1) what IS an 'alpha' male

2) would u automatically go for an alpha, or some other type?

3) BIG question....is your BF "alpha"?? Ok, be real here cuz I see all kinds of nice looking gals with dudes who aint even delta, I know damn well they aint alpha, lol

etc...id just like to hear discussion of such


side issue, personal trainers in the gym. Should they be "alpha" or not. I ask because I feel a slight conflict between what I think alpa is and what I think is needed to be an effective personal trainer. for instance, I would think a LARGE percentage of potential clients, lets say, overweight women new to the gym scene, would be cold intimidated by an alpha type personality.

furthermore, the "top" trainer in my gym, with th emost clients and charging the most $$$ is decidedly UNalpha...he is mr friendly vanilla type, super non intimidating.

I have been told on the contrary that I am intimidating and too intense and even 'arrogant'. Must just be a vibe because I dont TRY to be those things. end result being, I struggle to get new clients while the "uber friendly" guys turn away business.

Am I going to have to castrate myself to get clients???



Anyway, id love to hear discussion on any of those points.

[anb1683]

Can you define Alpha & delta...

[Constantina]

Alpha male as in:
Animal Societies (the only pair allowed to mate (alpha pair like wolfs), eat first, etc) ?
Human Ancient Society (superior physical power) ?
Human Modern Society (rich/powerful/political alliances) ?

In humans, the expression refers to a man who is powerful or high on the social ladder, similar to hegemonic masculinity. In Western cultures, the term is usually pejorative and describes a man who is overtly or affectedly masculine to the point of rejecting any affront to his ascribed status. (source: wikipedia)

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1. If i feel awe from a man then i can tell that he is "alpha".

2. I just go for the one that will ring a bell. It might be just a shy guy.

3. No he was not.


For the side issue... IMO they must be professional.

[John Prophet]

Can you define Alpha & delta...

well I have my own ideas but I am asking others. Maybe I am clueless, lol.

Hint..IMO Bill Gates aint alpha. He is in the $$$ world but he wouldnt be in the gym or night club, lol.

[manlet]

well I have my own ideas but I am asking others. Maybe I am clueless, lol.

Hint..IMO Bill Gates aint alpha. He is in the $$$ world but he wouldnt be in the gym or night club, lol.

Some guy, I can't remember who, wrote an article that he was in a club many years ago when Bill Gates was single and a billionaire, and all the girls went to try and talk to him. Apparently, the single female employees at Microsoft wore some kind of tag on their outfits saying they were single and wanted some Gates. If that's not alpha, I don't know what is.

[John Prophet]

yeah, alpha due to his money obviously, as i stated. and any girl who would sleep with him I wouldnt be that interested in, lol.

Would he be alpha in the gym? would he punk another guy off of a piece of equipment? I doubt it.

anyway, thanks for your contribution

[Bodysteele]

In contemporary western captialist society its dough/power over others...lets not parse words.


Lifting weights will not make you an alpha male...sorry folks.

[Mr. Aries]

wtf is a Delta male?


there's only the alpha male mentality, and the beta male mentality.. Just cuz Delta is another letter in the alphabet doesn't mean there are also Omega Males... :rolleyes:

[bttrthnb4]

This reminds me of one of Kalagan's threads.

[Mr. Aries]

yeah, alpha due to his money obviously, as i stated. and any girl who would sleep with him I wouldnt be that interested in, lol.

Would he be alpha in the gym? would he punk another guy off of a piece of equipment? I doubt it.

anyway, thanks for your contribution


your idea of what makes someone an alpha-male is completely convoluted.. Punk another guy off a piece of equipment at the gym?


In Texas, we have AR-15s and AK-47s for that type of bitch ass behavior.


Alpha cuz of his money? lmao.. I find anyone who's capable of becoming the richest man in the world from scratch to be quite respectable.. And no one is going to punk him off of any equipment at the gym.. He owns a pretty nice one in the house..


Plenty of dudes who consider themselves to be alpha males are working side jobs making 30 grand a year thinking they are all big and bad with do-rags in the gym and a gallon of water in the left hand.. Add the growling between sets and clunking of the weight at the top of every rep, and you have a certified wanna-be who's only idea of "hardcore" is how many T shirts he can own with the words "400lb bench club" plastered across the back.

[calendar]

>1) what IS an 'alpha' male
Someone with a lot of money or power.

>2) would u automatically go for an alpha, or some other type?
No, he'd have to be very intelligent, have some shared values, and be not too horrid looking as well.

>3) BIG question....is your BF "alpha"?? Ok, be real here cuz I see all kinds of nice looking gals with dudes who aint even delta, I know damn well they aint alpha, lol

You can't tell from looking at pics or from people's posts. You have to get to know them. But I can tell you this much, from bitter experience, I am pretty much over anyone who has a high position of power over me. I guess I'd rather have someone who strives for independence rather than working his way up in a heirarchical organization.

[bttrthnb4]

1. An alpha male is someone who is or thinks they are better than everyone else.

2. No, alphas can be *******s and I would rather have someone I want to be around 24/7.

3.No. My husband is not an alpha and I would not have him any other way.
This is the 21st century, not the Oregon Trail.

[manlet]

yeah, alpha due to his money obviously, as i stated. and any girl who would sleep with him I wouldnt be that interested in, lol.

Would he be alpha in the gym? would he punk another guy off of a piece of equipment? I doubt it.

anyway, thanks for your contribution

being a billionaire, having the potential to bang tons of hotties > punking some guy at the gym (wow tough guy huh)

You're 40.

[John Prophet]

your idea of what makes someone an alpha-male is completely convoluted.. Punk another guy off a piece of equipment at the gym?


In Texas, we have AR-15s and AK-47s for that type of bitch ass behavior.


Alpha cuz of his money? lmao.. I find anyone who's capable of becoming the richest man in the world from scratch to be quite respectable.. And no one is going to punk him off of any equipment at the gym.. He owns a pretty nice one in the house..


Plenty of dudes who consider themselves to be alpha males are working side jobs making 30 grand a year thinking they are all big and bad with do-rags in the gym and a gallon of water in the left hand.. Add the growling between sets and clunking of the weight at the top of every rep, and you have a certified wanna-be who's only idea of "hardcore" is how many T shirts he can own with the words "400lb bench club" plastered across the back.


i am just saying, in the context that I am asking, money isnt really an issue.

as far as punking someone...thatw as just an example....Gates doesnt exactly project manliness does he? power because of his money...absolutely. But take the $$$ away on a desert island and he would be nada, lol.


btw, I dont growl or clang weights or do ANYTHING at all to draw attention to myself....so i think you are mistaking what I am saying.

I am quiet as a mouse when I workout. (except maybe push presses). yeah, im the real swaggering loudmouthed do-rag type weight slamming type
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3749973373658345194&q=bench+rows&total=85&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=254781730376878251


I just like to compare ideas with opther people so hopefully I can learn. I have seen several different variables from different trainers. One trainer hardly ever works out himself...dude is quiet and very friendly...hard to see him having an opinion about anything. Another trainer doesnt do much for himself beyond the mirror muscles. he does seem to try to draw SOME attention to himself and he definitely does when training clients....he counts each rep in a loud manner etc. Another trainer is full on macho posturing when he works out himself..complete with loud counting of every rep...clanging of weights etc. I have my ideas about each type. but all 3 are successful trainers.




in any case I am here asking these things because I DONT know. Is that a sin? if anyone has any positive advice or input feel free. otherwise pass on by. Is 40 too late to ask and learn? maybe so on this forum.


Mr Aries, I am sure you see yourself as quite alpha....Alpha enough to show disfavor on my simple questions, lol....so why not "unconvolude" my ideas for me. give me your definition. I dont think $$$ alone automatically makes one respectable or alpha or anything else. Some are born with it...some steal/cheat/lie to get it.

[John Prophet]

wtf is a Delta male?


there's only the alpha male mentality, and the beta male mentality.. Just cuz Delta is another letter in the alphabet doesn't mean there are also Omega Males... :rolleyes:

youve never read "Brave New world"?

they had Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, and Epsilon.

[Mr. Aries]

i am just saying, in the context that I am asking, money isnt really an issue.

as far as punking someone...thatw as just an example....Gates doesnt exactly project manliness does he? power because of his money...absolutely. But take the $$$ away on a desert island and he would be nada, lol.


btw, I dont growl or clang weights or do ANYTHING at all to draw attention to myself....so i think you are mistaking what I am saying.

I am quite as a mouse when I workout. (except maybe push presses). yeah, im the real swaggering loudmouthed do-rag type weight slamming type
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3749973373658345194&q=bench+rows&total=85&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=254781730376878251




in any case I am here asking these things because I DONT know. Is that a sin? if anyone has any positive advice or input feel free. otherwise pass on by


Mr Aries, I am sure you see yourself as quite alpha....Alpha enough to show disfavor on my simple questions, lol....so why not "unconvolude" my ideas for me. give me your definition. I dont think $$$ alone automatically makes one respectable or alpha or anything else. Some are born with it...some steal/cheat/lie to get it.



you are absolutely right. Money does not make the man; THE MAN makes the money.

I have never insinuated that anyone with money is automatically an alpha-male.. However, what I did specifically say is that Bill Gates, having become the richest man in the world from SCRATCH, is respectable in EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD.

Is he an Alpha-male? Let's review.


An alpha male is a go-getter.. He doesn't wait on his ass waiting for opportunities to land on his lap.


An alpha-male is responsible. He does what he is supposed to do.

An alpha-male holds himself accountable. He does not shift blame onto others for things he was supposed to do himself.

An alpha-male is assertive.. He has his own ideas and goals in mind, and does not casually bend to the will of others.

An alpha-male is determined. He spends time doing what he thinks is right for him, regardless of the grim out-look that may come with his chosen endeavors.

An alpha-male is courageous. Even if he os the only person who stands up in a crowd for what he believes in, he will do it.

An alpha-male is a leader. He takes lessons learned from other people but he will never be a follower.. He has his own visions and his own dreams, and even in the face of ridicule he'll pursue them without wavering.









In every sense of the word, Bill Gates is an alpha-male for the things he has done. He may never win a UFC fight or a bodybuilding contest, but he is a master at molding life with the force of his sheer will.

Money did not make him... He made the money...

[bttrthnb4]

you are absolutely right. Money does not make the man; THE MAN makes the money.

I have never insinuated that anyone with money is automatically an alpha-male.. However, what I did specifically say is that Bill Gates, having become the richest man in the world from SCRATCH, is respectable in EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD.

Is he an Alpha-male? Let's review.


An alpha male is a go-getter.. He doesn't wait on his ass waiting for opportunities to land on his lap.


An alpha-male is responsible. He does what he is supposed to do.

An alpha-male holds himself accountable. He does not shift blame onto others for things he was supposed to do himself.

An alpha-male is assertive.. He has his own ideas and goals in mind, and does not casually bend to the will of others.

An alpha-male is determined. He spends time doing what he thinks is right for him, regardless of the grim out-look that may come with his chosen endeavors.

An alpha-male is courageous. Even if he os the only person who stands up in a crowd for what he believes in, he will do it.

An alpha-male is a leader. He takes lessons learned from other people but he will never be a follower.. He has his own visions and his own dreams, and even in the face of ridicule he'll pursue them without wavering.









In every sense of the word, Bill Gates is an alpha-male for the things he has done. He may never win a UFC fight or a bodybuilding contest, but he is a master at molding life with the force of his sheer will.

Money did not make him... He made the money...

I'm going to have to agree with Mr. Aries.

[Mr. Aries]

Mr Aries, I am sure you see yourself as quite alpha....Alpha enough to show disfavor on my simple questions, lol....so why not "unconvolude" my ideas for me. give me your definition. I dont think $$$ alone automatically makes one respectable or alpha or anything else. Some are born with it...some steal/cheat/lie to get it.

You are right, I see myself as quite an alpha-male.. I think a lot of people consider me one solely because of the physique, but I assure you that's not how I see myself..

I'm confident, assertive, determined, and courageous whether I have this body or not.. The body didn't make me who I am today.. I made the body what it is today.

I will never punk anyone or try to be the big man at the gym or in the club. I have great respect for intelligence, modesty, and love.. I have great respect for respect itself.. The respect I have for those things makes me a considerate person, and keeps my alpha-maleness in moderation.. Too much of anything is bad, and an inconsiderate alpha-male is simply another way of being an assh*le.


There are people who I know I'd lay down on the railroad tracks for, and they are the same people who I'd rise up to fight for when their skies fall. That's what makes me feel like an alpha-male: the belief that one man can make all the difference in the world.

[manlet]

Mr. Aries sounds like a good man. (no homo)

[Mr. Aries]

btw, i didn't come here to fight with anyone.. I just think far too many guys in the weight room think their gym prowess automatically translates into "badassedness" in the real world.. Being a man has a lot more to do with who you are and what you stand for rather than how much you can bench press on a stable surface.

Alpha-males are usually not born, they are made.. Sometimes circumstances force them to choose between being an alpha-male or shrink away like a beta.. Take the men who rushed into the trade center tower the planes hit.. They made a conscious choice to go in and risk certain death.. Their actions were more courageous than what most alpha-males can measure up to.

It's disappointing that a lot of physically strong men seek to belittle others simply because they are physically superior.. A vast majority of these people have no respect for skillsets other than the ones that produces the most gain in the gym.. I might not enjoy opera, or ballet, but I can certainly appreciate the fine set of skills and the sacrifices that went into perfecting those techniques.. Same way with chess.. I'll never like it, but i'll never stop admiring those who can play a few rounds with an *** computer.

[John Prophet]

I will never punk anyone or try to be the big man at the gym or in the club.

just to clarify....I never would either. Pretty sure you got the wrong idea there....that was just an example off the top of my head.

What pisses me off is that unfortunately modesty doesnt seem to sell very well...at least not in my experience so far. Trump aint modest, Gates aint dreaming of being modest.

I feel I am pretty modest...VERY sensitive. Usually going out of my way to not offend people (online is a LITTLE different for all of us). So far all of that modesty and courteousness hasnt paid off much, lol. The guys I see further up the ladder from me seem to have a little 'flash' here and there whereas I have tried to NOT have that.

or attitude. this one trainer in my gym who people rave about as being "nice"....he talks trash on this other trainer who left. he said "that dude cant train anybody". So much for mr Nice....what does he say abotu the rest of us when we arent sitting there? yet he is "Mr Nice"?? Mr fake IMO. If thats alpha, I dont want it.

thats why I am here inquiring as to others opinions. So far, what I am doing AINT working, lol. I dont think people place a great deal of importance on humility and meekness etc.

Look at Jesus, humble and meek, he got killed for it, lol.

Its a little hard for me to reconcile humble and meek with the salesmanship needed to be a succesful personal trainer. I dont quite have that one figured out yet. like, pulling up on a harley loud enough to be heard 10 blocks away, with the shades and 'cool' attitude doesnt seem really meek or humble to me....but it seems to sell quite well in my area, lol. how someone can make that entrance yet not be considered arrogant is beyond me right now

[manlet]

just to clarify....I never would either. Pretty sure you got the wrong idea there....that was just an example off the top of my head.

What pisses me off is that unfortunately modesty doesnt seem to sell very well...at least not in my experience so far. Trump aint modest, Gates aint dreaming of being modest.

I feel I am pretty modest...VERY sensitive. Usually going out of my way to not offend people (online is a LITTLE different for all of us). So far all of that modesty and courteousness hasnt paid off much, lol. The guys I see further up the ladder from me seem to have a little 'flash' here and there whereas I have tried to NOT have that.

thats why I am here inquiring as to others opinions. So far, what I am doing AINT working, lol. I dont think people place a great deal of importance on humility and meekness etc.

Look at Jesus, humble and meek, he got killed for it, lol.

Its a little hard for me to reconcile humble and meek with the salesmanship needed to be a succesful personal trainer. I dont quite have that one figured out yet. like, pulling up on a harley loud enough to be heard 10 blocks away, with the shades and 'cool' attitude doesnt seem really meek or humble to me....but it seems to sell quite well in my area, lol. how someone can make that entrance yet not be considered arrogant is beyond me right now

You're 40.

[John Prophet]

You're 40.

youre 22

glad we have that straight

[Mr. Aries]

just to clarify....I never would either. Pretty sure you got the wrong idea there....that was just an example off the top of my head.

What pisses me off is that unfortunately modesty doesnt seem to sell very well...at least not in my experience so far. Trump aint modest, Gates aint dreaming of being modest.

I feel I am pretty modest...VERY sensitive. Usually going out of my way to not offend people (online is a LITTLE different for all of us). So far all of that modesty and courteousness hasnt paid off much, lol. The guys I see further up the ladder from me seem to have a little 'flash' here and there whereas I have tried to NOT have that.

thats why I am here inquiring as to others opinions. So far, what I am doing AINT working, lol. I dont think people place a great deal of importance on humility and meekness etc.

Look at Jesus, humble and meek, he got killed for it, lol.

Its a little hard for me to reconcile humble and meek with the salesmanship needed to be a succesful personal trainer. I dont quite have that one figured out yet. like, pulling up on a harley loud enough to be heard 10 blocks away, with the shades and 'cool' attitude doesnt seem really meek or humble to me....but it seems to sell quite well in my area, lol. how someone can make that entrance yet not be considered arrogant is beyond me right now

one thing you have to realize is that you cannot fake "confidence".. Either you are confident or you aren't.. You can pretend to be arrogant to try to fit in with the other supposedly "successful" trainers in your area, but most people will see right through all that BS. You can only be who you are, regardless of what the surroundings "call for". That's part of being an alpha-male: the courage of going against the grain.

Sure, a little flash and dash wouldn't hurt your persona, and most women would probably enjoy a little cool-factor. I inject all 3 into my life whenever necessary and it comes across as a natural outward display of confidence.. But you do have to have substance backing up all the "He-manness", otherwise you'd just be a insecure beta male trying to be someone he isn't.. And the only thing people hate more than an arrogant assh*le, is a insecure coward pretending to be an arrogant assh*le.

It's useless to try to conform.. Instead, you should focus on being unafraid of being different. Usually, self-discovery takes place best in the face of adversity. Jesus did die, you are right, but He died for reasons He believed in, and He died an Alpha-male.

[Mr. Aries]

speaking of humility, I have to mention that humility is only humility when the person displaying it is CONFIDENT..


An insecure person displaying humility is not humble, he is just insecure.

[John Prophet]

Usually, self-discovery takes place best in the face of adversity.

yeah, im there bro...massively. Thanks for the feedback and advice.

interesting sigline btw

[Tyrbolift]

You're 40.Point being?...

[bttrthnb4]

Are you serious? You're making alot of generalizations. Have you taken any business classes or sought help from professionals in this aspect? If you haven't, then you should, instead of relying on alot of NONprofessionals.
I'm not going to get into a big arguments or debate about it, but i know a lot of bikers who rumble up on their Harleys, wearing their shades and leather and project themselves as "cool" but they are not arrogant, they are real. My stepfather is one of these men, and he is cool as hell, but he is quiet. He is meek. He would do anything for anyone in a heartbeat.
And how dare compare anyone to Jesus. He is more alpha than this whole forum, I guess that's why He rose again, huh?

Someone saying they are modest and humble does not make them so.

[Mr. Aries]

yeah, im there bro...massively. Thanks for the feedback and advice.

interesting sigline btw

np.. sorry if I seemed a bit crude..

Remember this: a dog might not be so "alpha" compared to a bear, but the one who stands up to a bear to save his owner's life is certainly as "alpha" as they come, especially compared to the bear, which chose to attack something 1/10th his strength just to show how "bad" he is.

[John Prophet]

And how dare compare anyone to Jesus. He is more alpha than this whole forum, I guess that's why He rose again, huh?



Im a Christian by the way, lol. Not perfect, but still.

Jesus' humility didnt win him a lot of points in THIS world that we live in. So there is that 'tension' that we all must live in.


Im not trying to piss anyone off....just trying to question and learn.

dont get pissed.

[bttrthnb4]

Im a Christian by the way, lol. Not perfect, but still.

Jesus' humility didnt win him a lot of points in THIS world that we live in. So there is that 'tension' that we all must live in.


Im not trying to piss anyone off....just trying to question and learn.

dont get pissed.

But even still, I think it is ridiculous, especially since you claim to believe in Him. No matter what your faith is, He was so far above this world and it's "priorities" that He should not even be included in this discussion. You will not win alot of brownie points with that approach.

ANY person who would purposely die for someone else....that is REAL alpha-ness.

[Tyrbolift]

Im a Christian by the way, lol. Not perfect, but still.

Jesus' humility didnt win him a lot of points in THIS world that we live in. So there is that 'tension' that we all must live in.


Im not trying to piss anyone off....just trying to question and learn.

dont get pissed.John, some people just don't take things in the intended message and they take affront easily. It's not you.

[Tyrbolift]

But even still, I think it is ridiculous, especially since you claim to believe in Him. No matter what your faith is, He was so far above this world and it's "priorities" that He should not even be included in this discussion. You will not win alot of brownie points with that approach.

ANY person who would purposely die for someone else....that is REAL alpha-ness.Didn't Jesus teach kindness, humility, and tolerance, among other things?

[bttrthnb4]

Didn't Jesus teach kindness, humility, and tolerance, among other things?

Yes He did.

[Constantina]

Alpha male as in:
Animal Societies (the only pair allowed to mate (alpha pair like wolfs), eat first, etc) ?
Human Ancient Society (superior physical power) ?
Human Modern Society (rich/powerful/political alliances) ?
I quote myself and i ask again. At what Era are you referring to ?

Girls are attracted to alpha males. Why ? Cause the alpha males are the ones that will be able to raise her children better. The ones that will be able to protect them better, feed them better etc etc etc. You got the idea behind i-want-an-alpha-male instinct. So in our time who is better ?

Yes, Bill Gates (even if i hate him) by that definition is an alpha male.

For every alpha male in animals there is also an alpha female. Those two make the alpha pair. Wolfs for example are like this. Some have only alpha females (bees) and others have only alpha males.

Who is not an alpha male ?
Someone who tries to act like an alpha male.

The alpha male is a very very misunderstood definition.


Edit:
Now you understand why i said that my ex was not an alpha male. Yes he was a bodybuilder but that is not enough to give you the "alpha male" label.

[limniade]

The alpha male is something only men care about being, in order to improve their status with other men.

[TurbulentFluid]

1. Alpha male: that jerk who constantly goes on my nerves thinking he's so hype and putting down all the other guys.

2. No, I'd never go for an "alpha". See above.

3. No he isn't an "alpha". He's one of those guys that sit in the corner and never speak.

And girls aren't attracted to "alpha males", they are attracted to genetically compatibile males which they sniff out with their pheromone receptors. Sorry.

For everything else, I agree with the upper post.

[guest89]

1) Alpha is a personality not a social status.

2) You either are or you aren't. Trying to be an 'Alpha Male' when your not is going to make you look like a jackass.

3) Being an 'Alpha Male' doesn't necessarily mean you have more money, are physically stronger, or are even the best fighter. Why? Because theres always someone superior... Some people simply aren't the type to show it off.

The alpha male is sort of the natural leader... Does it mean he is the best at it? No, there may be someone right next to him much better suited for the task, but they simply don't give a **** so they never step up to the plate.

[CandyStripes]

Alpha maleness does not exist. It's mainly guys that talk or care about that. I'm sure some guy is going to come here and give me some biological crap etc. But whatever.

[Tyrbolift]

And girls aren't attracted to "alpha males", they are attracted to genetically compatibile males which they sniff out with their pheromone receptors. Sorry.Ultimately, the woman wants to be with the man who finds her attractive and wants and tries to have sex with her, above all else. not that women are slutty, it's just probably the most important factor. If many men want to have her then she can afford to be choosy.

[TurbulentFluid]

Ultimately, the woman wants to be with the man who finds her attractive and wants and tries to have sex with her, above all else. not that women are slutty, it's just probably the most important factor. If many men want to have her then she can afford to be choosy.

Not really... Every guy wants to have sex with every woman, that's only natural. (Well let's not count the extremes in.) It's not about non-sluttishness, but there are men a woman simply doesn't want to be with, and can't find attractive. One of these men in every woman's life is her father - his genetical pattern is such that they are incompatibile and a (healthy) woman is absolutely sexually non-attractive to her father. Brothers, close (blood)relatives and all men with a very simmilar genetical pattern to her own are in that group. Have you ever hit on a girl who simply "didn't react" and couldn't find you attractive in any way? You smelled wrong.

As for all the guys who smell RIGHT to a woman... you are absolutely right. Personally, I take guys as "tools" as it's umpopularly put, and as long as he's not an obnoxious idiot, I don't care. "Alpha male" is something men care about, along with being taller than their fathers...

As far as professional aspect; an "alpha" in the professional world is always the BEST choice. Not intimidating - quite the opposite!
Professionally, I always "go" for an alpha and try to install that person as my mentor. One can learn the most from such people, as they are natural born leaders, communicative and open, have no fear which means they voice their opinions freely, and well - they're the best in the sense of guidance.
I would very much like to point out that, no matter what profession we are talking about, "alpha male" in the men's room context and "alpha" in the business context, have nothing to do with each other.
And one more thing: I'd never wanna f*ck a PT out of pure principle. Don't sh*t where you eat.

[CoffeCanSlayer]

Ultimately, the woman wants to be with the man who finds her attractive and wants and tries to have sex with her, above all else. not that women are slutty, it's just probably the most important factor. If many men want to have her then she can afford to be choosy.

You cannot say what women want in general, they are all different and want different types of men. There are some who want the alpha male, their are some who want the wife beater, and their are some who want the nice guy, and their are some who want all in between, and as for every guy wanting to sleep with every woman, not true.

[bttrthnb4]

Ultimately, the woman wants to be with the man who finds her attractive and wants and tries to have sex with her, above all else. not that women are slutty, it's just probably the most important factor. If many men want to have her then she can afford to be choosy.

LOL....wow.

[Tyrbolift]

You cannot say what women want in general, they are all different and want different types of men. There are some who want the alpha male, their are some who want the wife beater, and their are some who want the nice guy, and their are some who want all in between, and as for every guy wanting to sleep with every woman, not true.Women don't get what they want or say they want unless what they want is one of the men who wants to sleep with her.

[bttrthnb4]

Women don't get what they want or say they want unless what they want is one of the men who wants to sleep with her.

Yes, like we can do nothing for ourselves. Is this something you have gathered from other women, maybe bad experiences, or did you come up with this on your own?

[skizbees]

Do you enjoy asking these open ended "What is _____" for a woman questions? If you don't know what you want in a woman in regards to whatever her "alpha" personality is, sexual attractiveness, how she interacts with others in social situations, etc., how do you expect people on an internet board to know what you want and tell you as much? Mindreaders we ain't. Like Turbo said, don't sh!t where you eat.

[Tyrbolift]

Yes, like we can do nothing for ourselves. Is this something you have gathered from other women, maybe bad experiences, or did you come up with this on your own?Sure you can. You can observe, interract, pick and choose, ignore, flirt, and even come on, but in the end it will be one of the men who really wants you physically that you will be with.

It's so simple...because no woman wants to be with a man who doesn't desire her. Women don't marry their male "friends."

[manlet]

You cannot say what women want in general, they are all different and want different types of men. There are some who want the alpha male, their are some who want the wife beater, and their are some who want the nice guy, and their are some who want all in between, and as for every guy wanting to sleep with every woman, not true.

Go away.

[bttrthnb4]

Sure you can. You can observe, interract, pick and choose, ignore, flirt, and even come on, but in the end it will be one of the men who really wants you physically that you will be with.

It's so simple...because no woman wants to be with a man who doesn't desire her. Women don't marry their male "friends."

You are wrong. I did not sleep with my husband for a few MONTHS when we were dating. There was attraction, yes. I'd be lying if I said people do not date others they are attracted to. BUT sex, purely SEX, is NOT the deciding factor. It is not even the most important one. Sex is not always going to be red hot for everyone. It may not always be there all the time for everyone. The important qualities of the person is the reason you ultimately decide to be with them. Not cause they are good in bed.

And yes sir, I did marry my male friend. I married my BEST friend.

[Tyrbolift]

You are wrong. I did not sleep with my husband for a few MONTHS when we were dating. There was attraction, yes. I'd be lying if I said people do not date others they are attracted to. BUT sex, purely SEX, is NOT the deciding factor. It is not even the most important one. Sex is not always going to be red hot for everyone. It may not always be there all the time for everyone. The important qualities of the person is the reason you ultimately decide to be with them. Not cause they are good in bed.

And yes sir, I did marry my male friend. I married my BEST friend.I support celibacy in the beginning, and you are exceptional, but you mis-interpret me...

Without the attraction the deal is over--it's a dealbreaker.

Do you know a lot of women who never had someone want her that is what she wants or says she wants, so she settles for something else?

or do you know more women who can't find what they want to want her so they end up single/unmarried for their whole lives?

I'd say the former. Women with potential to be great people with strong integrity and character but end up with bad boys. Why? Because the bad boy was the best she could do who wanted to have sex with her.

and once she picks her man, she is loyal and will protect him.

[John Prophet]

Do you enjoy asking these open ended "What is _____" for a woman questions? If you don't know what you want in a woman in regards to whatever her "alpha" personality is, sexual attractiveness, how she interacts with others in social situations, etc., how do you expect people on an internet board to know what you want and tell you as much? Mindreaders we ain't. Like Turbo said, don't sh!t where you eat.

im not sure I follow any of that.

I am simply trying to learn more about the dynamics of how people react together in public etc. Also specifically how perspective clients view male behavior,lol.

I ask a female viewpoint because probably 9 out of 10 people paying for PT'ing are female


I have absolutely no clue where the idea that i want to f*ck any of my clients came from, lol. I dont think I posted anything like that at all


but, live and learn....perhaps this forum isnt as "mature" as I thought. I was thinking it would be a good place for an adult discussion. my bad

[Tyrbolift]

let me just add, bttrthnb4, that a woman with your attitude is what I want, but are increasingly rare. That's all I'm saying.

Things have changed since our parent's time.

Nowadays, more women will settle for less rather than hold out, IMO.

I admit to over-generalizations. There are always exceptions. I'm just talking trends, and I stand by what I said. I've seen more women bend and adapt and even love the man who wants in her shorts, and less who stand firm and will go on without if they have to.

[Tyrbolift]

A subject I find very fascinating.

id like to hear the women weigh in on

1) what IS an 'alpha' male

2) would u automatically go for an alpha, or some other type?

3) BIG question....is your BF "alpha"?? Ok, be real here cuz I see all kinds of nice looking gals with dudes who aint even delta, I know damn well they aint alpha, lol

etc...id just like to hear discussion of such


side issue, personal trainers in the gym. Should they be "alpha" or not. I ask because I feel a slight conflict between what I think alpa is and what I think is needed to be an effective personal trainer. for instance, I would think a LARGE percentage of potential clients, lets say, overweight women new to the gym scene, would be cold intimidated by an alpha type personality.

furthermore, the "top" trainer in my gym, with th emost clients and charging the most $$$ is decidedly UNalpha...he is mr friendly vanilla type, super non intimidating.

I have been told on the contrary that I am intimidating and too intense and even 'arrogant'. Must just be a vibe because I dont TRY to be those things. end result being, I struggle to get new clients while the "uber friendly" guys turn away business.

Am I going to have to castrate myself to get clients???



Anyway, id love to hear discussion on any of those points.


im not sure I follow any of that.

I am simply trying to learn more about the dynamics of how people react together in public etc. Also specifically how perspective clients view male behavior,lol.

I ask a female viewpoint because probably 9 out of 10 people paying for PT'ing are female


I have absolutely no clue where the idea that i want to f*ck any of my clients came from, lol. I dont think I posted anything like that at all


but, live and learn....perhaps this forum isnt as "mature" as I thought. I was thinking it would be a good place for an adult discussion. my badSorry if you feel hijacked, John. Your original post seems to leave it open ended for "a discussion" with PT's as a "side issue."

[bttrthnb4]

I support celibacy in the beginning, and you are exceptional, but you mis-interpret me...

Without the attraction the deal is over--it's a dealbreaker.

Do you know a lot of women who never had someone want her that is what she wants or says she wants, so she settles for something else?

or do you know more women who can't find what they want to want her so they end up single/unmarried for their whole lives?

I'd say the former. Women with potential to be great people with strong integrity and character but end up with bad boys. Why? Because the bad boy was the best she could do who wanted to have sex with her.

and once she picks her man, she is loyal and will protect him.

As a matter of fact, no. I do not know alot of women who marry someone they do not want. I've seen alot more women leave relationships because their man was not who they thought they were. I know very few people who stay with someone they are unhappy with.


im not sure I follow any of that.

I am simply trying to learn more about the dynamics of how people react together in public etc. Also specifically how perspective clients view male behavior,lol.

I ask a female viewpoint because probably 9 out of 10 people paying for PT'ing are female


I have absolutely no clue where the idea that i want to f*ck any of my clients came from, lol. I dont think I posted anything like that at all


but, live and learn....perhaps this forum isnt as "mature" as I thought. I was thinking it would be a good place for an adult discussion. my bad

You do ask alot of questions, and I think it is starting to aggravate some of the women here. Then again, that can be answered with "stay out of the thread" which I think is actually what I'm going to do from now on. I think she may have gotten the idea about you ****ing a client from your "do women wanna be hit on in the gym" thread where you described your encounters with another gym member. Or at least that's what I first thought of.

[skizbees]

im not sure I follow any of that.

I am simply trying to learn more about the dynamics of how people react together in public etc. Also specifically how perspective clients view male behavior,lol.

I ask a female viewpoint because probably 9 out of 10 people paying for PT'ing are female


I have absolutely no clue where the idea that i want to f*ck any of my clients came from, lol. I dont think I posted anything like that at all


but, live and learn....perhaps this forum isnt as "mature" as I thought. I was thinking it would be a good place for an adult discussion. my bad

So you don't get what you want in an internet forum and label it less mature. Take the internet less seriously why don't cha. Did some of the posts strike a chord with you or something? At the gym I'm at, out of about 4,000 or so members, we have 5 active PTs, and they mostly train men actually. I think price and availability matter, followed by personality and being approchable, then style/expertise of training style tailored to what the client wants. If the PT doesn't meet a client's needs, let the client go and move on.

[Tyrbolift]

As a matter of fact, no. I do not know alot of women who marry someone they do not want. I've seen alot more women leave relationships because their man was not who they thought they were. I know very few people who stay with someone they are unhappy with.
Very fair. Thank you for the stimulating discussion. :)

[CandyStripes]

let me just add, bttrthnb4, that a woman with your attitude is what I want, but are increasingly rare. That's all I'm saying.

Things have changed since our parent's time.

Nowadays, more women will settle for less rather than hold out, IMO.

I admit to over-generalizations. There are always exceptions. I'm just talking trends, and I stand by what I said. I've seen more women bend and adapt and even love the man who wants in her shorts, and less who stand firm and will go on without if they have to.

I think it's 50/50, there are those women that'll do anything to be able to say that they have a man. Then there are those that wait around for a good man to come, but sometimes the girl that waits around gets tired or bored and goes for someone less "desirable".

There are also women whose standards are way to high and expect to be treated like royalty.

[John Prophet]

You do ask alot of questions, and I think it is starting to aggravate some of the women here.


not a problem..we can fix that. You just voted for all the women on the forum

[MissThing]

A subject I find very fascinating.

id like to hear the women weigh in on

1) what IS an 'alpha' male

And man whio likes to dominate and be in control. Unfortunately some men cofuse alpha with "arrogant dick" and don't know when it's time to listen and learn a thing or two.



2) would u automatically go for an alpha, or some other type?
Yes, if they has the goods to back it up






3) BIG question....is your BF "alpha"?? Ok, be real here cuz I see all kinds of nice looking gals with dudes who aint even delta, I know damn well they aint alpha, lol

Currently single. I was dated a guy that turned out to be too nice, clingy and forever suspicious. Mhat isht lasted 5 days. My last boyfriend prolly thought he was alpha but he turned out out to be a two faced bigoted b*****d. dumped him too






side issue, personal trainers in the gym. Should they be "alpha" or not. I ask because I feel a slight conflict between what I think alpa is and what I think is needed to be an effective personal trainer. for instance, I would think a LARGE percentage of potential clients, lets say, overweight women new to the gym scene, would be cold intimidated by an alpha type personality.




As I've mentioned is you want to be alpha, know your stuff ;)

These days, I'd prefer a no-nonsense PT. Just as long as they LISTEN TO THEIR CLIENTS. Since February I've communicated with 3 PTs and eventually hired the third.

The first one wanted to change my diet (oh yeah, he's said he'd WEAN me off low-carb. What am I, a drug addict :mad:)

The second one told m that If I lifted heavy weight I'd bulk up, not burn fat.

The third one was skeptical about my diet but took it on board and still does. He'll ask questions about meals and carb-ups etc. He was more worried that I was about "bulking up" but still taught me compund lifting with a low-rep range.

I can imagine that some women would be intimidated by an alpha PT, then again some women want a Richard Simmons type to train them :p






Am I going to have to castrate myself to get clients???

I get the impression that you are looking for a niche client. i.e. one who serious about their goals and ain't comin' for no foolishness (Bernie Mac).

Are you looking in the right place for those customers?

[empresscat]

An alpha male is generally the one who is confident enough to be relaxed about it. Who doesn't make much effort to attract attention, but who, nonetheless, people listen to because they just "feel" like a leader.

There are very few true alphas, and you will not recognize them by their outgoing personality, their machismo, or anything like that. You will recognize them by the fact that they are the one people turn to when they are in trouble, or that people want to invest money with.

The latter, the money, note the term "invest." A salesman is not necessarily an alpha - just someone who knows good selling principles like patterning after the client and suggestive selling. There are a billion books on this. But people who may trust a salesman at first, often lose trust for them because they seem "fake" when you get to know them. That patterning which works to make the client identify with you can wear off. An alpha, however, may employ some of these techniques - but through their confidence (think Donald Trump) can get people to invest large sums over a longer period of time.

Or, in the case of relationships, invest emotion.

Think about who you know that you would turn to in a time of crisis. Say, there was a natural disaster - and people around you are panicking. Who would you look to, or who do you think others would look to, to get people out safely? Who would remain level-headed, get people to calm down? Who would people trust when they feel vulnerable?

That's the alpha.


But as I said, there are very few of them. And being a beta who does not try to pretend to be an alpha has distinct advantages, main thing among them is that people tend to feel more comfortable, in an everyday kind of way, around these guys.


On a personal note, what is NOT attractive - whether we are talking a business or a personal relationship, is someone who gets pouty... which you have a tendency to do. I like a lot of what you say, and think this is even a subject worth discussing, but comments that you make in response to disagreements frequently seem like "well fine, be that way, maybe I should just leave if you don't like me" - which is how a 16 year old girl responds, not a mature adult male.

I know, I have a bit of this tendency myself, and it's probably my least attractive feature - but d*** dude, I don't do it nearly as often or as easily as you do. Trust that you have something valuable to say, and those that need it will appreciate it - and don't sweat those who don't.

[DirtyBulk4ever]

Alpha males is a term that nohomo's use to describe who's most nohomo.

[bluescorpion]

One doesn't choose to be Alpha, and most of the guys that think they are... aren't.

[Pilotgirl29]

This thread is definitely not ALPHA.

[thediabolical]

You are right, I see myself as quite an alpha-male.. I think a lot of people consider me one solely because of the physique, but I assure you that's not how I see myself..

I'm confident, assertive, determined, and courageous whether I have this body or not.. The body didn't make me who I am today.. I made the body what it is today.

I will never punk anyone or try to be the big man at the gym or in the club. I have great respect for intelligence, modesty, and love.. I have great respect for respect itself.. The respect I have for those things makes me a considerate person, and keeps my alpha-maleness in moderation.. Too much of anything is bad, and an inconsiderate alpha-male is simply another way of being an assh*le.


There are people who I know I'd lay down on the railroad tracks for, and they are the same people who I'd rise up to fight for when their skies fall. That's what makes me feel like an alpha-male: the belief that one man can make all the difference in the world.

You give a lot of lip-service on who you claim or think yourself to be. Alpha Male are prescribed by others not by the person that thinks he's one.

And son you are not ready to lead...not even an ant farm. To lead people, you have to know people and to know them in the depths of life's struggles. You are but a young buck to life.

And I am not attempting to diss you, but you need to grow up a lot.

Good luck on your Alpha-male quest.