16 y/o - Preparing for Contest - My diet and questions

[Anabolic Delts]

First off, I do not plan to compete Intill around may - july 2005 in that time frame area.. But, Right now I am going to start cutting for the first time ever and am hoping to get my bodyfat % around 10-12%. Right now I am not sure but in my thread where I posted my pics people said 17% around.. but who knows. Anyway, This isnt the actual "contest prep" diet, it is the diet that I will be doing now to help me get my bodyfat down so that when I start bulking up again I can make sure it doesnt get to high so when the time comes 12 weeks out in 2005, I will have a much easier time getting ready with my actual "contest prep". Ok, Now here is a link to my newest pictures for you to see and give you a better idea of where I am currently at. Keep in mind in the pictures I look a little bloated or alot maybe, but I just hold alot of water for some reason but I upped my water intake and hopefully soon enough I will loose some of that.

Link to my pictures...
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=327588&page=1&pp=30

My stats right now
age - 16
height - 5'6 1/2"
weight - 200 pounds
bodyfat - ??

Now, The diet I am going to post now is what I came up with.. This is where I am looking for help as I have NEVER cut before and my whole time 'bodybuilding' I have always been trying to gain weight so when I do cut, I will have size to show. anyway thanks for even reading this far and heres the diet.. help is what im looking for so dont go easy on me.. tell me the truth.


6am(just woke up)
-4 egg whites, 2 whole eggs
-1 cup oats
-2 fish oil caps
-1 scoop whey

pro = 58 carbs = 54 fat = 15

9am(during school)
-1 chicken breast
-3 slices stone ground whole wheat

protein = 35 carbs = 50 fat = 4?


12(lunch time at school)
1 chicken breast
2 peices whole wheat bread
1 8oz milk
2 fish oil caps

protein = 40 carbs = 44 fat = 7?


3pm home from school now

2 cans tuna fish
6oz sweet potatoe

protein = 60 carbs = 42? fat = 3?



After this meal..nothing is set anymore.. it all depends on if I work or not because I go in at different times so I just have to set up my meal schedule as it goes.. I get a break at work ATLEAST every 3 hours because im a minor so its against the law anyway so eating every 3 hours at work isnt a problem..

Maybe someone can help me out with some numbers or ratios of how much protein/carbs/fats about this time I should get for my meals after 3pm since I cant have them set in stone like I can my other meals. My last meal of the night though I can make "set in stone" and it is..

before going to sleep
2 cup fat free cottage cheese
1 1/2 tbsp flax oil



If you need any other info, just let me know I am online everyday so I can post back usually pretty quick with the answer. Thanks for reading and I hope you can do your best to help.

Karatechris, fletch, str8flexed I know you have competed and come to this section so hopefully you will have read this post up to this far and will. Im not saying I only want help from these 3 either, just mentioned them since I havent been in here before and dont know whos a regular. thanks for reading

[KarateChris]

Okay, I may have missed this, but when do you workout?

[Anabolic Delts]

Okay, I may have missed this, but when do you workout?Usually after my 3pm meal since I am just getting home from school.. I get my license so I will be able to go whenever I want soon except for if im working or at school.. but usually after that meal.. inless it is on the weekend and I go after my 2nd or 3rd meal.. and then I just have my postworkout shake/meal and carry on with the rest of my planned meals.

[KarateChris]

Yea, you need to calculate total macronutrient values for all your meals and then your total calories throughout the day. I think you'll be surprised how few calories you're eating. Your breakfast, pre workout and post workout meals should have the majority of your carbs throughout the day. 3 slices of bread as carbs for pre workout is NOT going to cut it (no wonder you felt down during your workout).

[Anabolic Delts]

Yea, you need to calculate total macronutrient values for all your meals and then your total calories throughout the day. I think you'll be surprised how few calories you're eating. Your breakfast, pre workout and post workout meals should have the majority of your carbs throughout the day. 3 slices of bread as carbs for pre workout is NOT going to cut it (no wonder you felt down during your workout).
How can I total them when they are not the same everyday from after3pm?

Ok, How about this.. I come up with those last meals, what they will be and everything.. and just not have a specific time in which I eat them that way I can have my daily totals of macronutrients and calories. Does that sound better?

[KarateChris]

How can I total them when they are not the same everyday from after3pm?

Ok, How about this.. I come up with those last meals, what they will be and everything.. and just not have a specific time in which I eat them that way I can have my daily totals of macronutrients and calories. Does that sound better?
Yes. Those last few meals, they can't be COMPLETELY different every single day right? Just write down some sample meals that you MAY eat in those times. Then, tally them all up. Did you look at my old contest prep thread?

[Anabolic Delts]

Yes. Those last few meals, they can't be COMPLETELY different every single day right? Just write down some sample meals that you MAY eat in those times. Then, tally them all up. Did you look at my old contest prep thread?
Alright, I will edit the first post right now with the changes in the last few meals.. before I do though, think the last 2 meals should be pro/fat meals and the others still pro/carb meals?

no, I didnt look at your old contest prep thread I lost the link.. I will look if you post the link though.

[Anabolic Delts]

For some reason I cant edit my first post in the thread, So I will just post the diet all over with the new changes to the last meals.

6am(just woke up)
-4 egg whites, 2 whole eggs
-1 cup oats
-1 scoop whey

pro = 58 carbs = 54 fat = 13

9am(during school)
-1 chicken breast
-3 slices stone ground whole wheat

protein = 35 carbs = 50 fat = 4?


12(lunch time at school)
1 chicken breast
2 peices whole wheat bread
1 8oz milk
2 fish oil caps

protein = 40 carbs = 44 fat = 7?


3pm home from school now

2 cans tuna fish
6oz sweet potatoe

protein = 60 carbs = 42? fat = 3?

after my workout
2 scoops whey
1.5 cups oats

pro = 45 carbs = 80 fat = 5?

next meal
2 cans tuna fish
6oz sweet potatoe

pro = 60 carbs = 42 fat = 3?

next meal
1 cup cottage cheese
4 fish oil caps
2tbsp natural peanut butter

pro = 40 carbs = 14 fat = 20

last meal of the night
1 cup cottage cheese
1.5 tbsp flax oil


pro = 32 carbs = 8 fat = 21

totals for the day


protein = 370
carbs = 334
fat = 80
calories = 3536


So how does this look? Reminds me of my bulking diet, I think thats why I cut the carbs/protein so much a few days ago karatechris with the other meal plan that I showed u.. Ok everyone any suggestions on this diet now

[KarateChris]

Well, if you were bulking at 3000 calories, this diet will make you gain weight. You could probably reduce those 2 cans of tuna to 1 can of tuna at each of those meals. I'd get rid of some of the bread as well. Just to freshen my memory, you DID say you were bulking at 3000 calories right?

[Anabolic Delts]

Well, if you were bulking at 3000 calories, this diet will make you gain weight. You could probably reduce those 2 cans of tuna to 1 can of tuna at each of those meals. I'd get rid of some of the bread as well. Just to freshen my memory, you DID say you were bulking at 3000 calories right?

3000 calories bulking is my estimate, nwo that I see this diet I was probably getting more like 3500.. AND instead of having regular oats I use to eat those little flavored apples and cinamon packets of oatmeal which switching to oats now and ALL clean foods should also help I Would think.

Ok, Ill take 1 can of tuna from each of the meals with tuna fish.. so now the total protein is 60 less.. still think the rest of the diet is ok though?

The reason i eat bread is because im at school and have to eat the 9am meal during class and my teacher doesnt let me so i just take bites when hes at his desk or not looking.. I couldnt cook up a sweet potatoe or anything then.

[str8flexed]

i'm going to put my input in and please don't take offense to what I say, I'm just trying to prepare you properly. You look to be about 18-20% bodyfat, you might not think so, but almost EVERYONE underestimates bodyfat, and almost everyone never gets lean enough for a contest. Of all the contests i've done... I'd say at most, 20% of competitors got as lean as they could have... probably less than that. That said, if you started dieting for a show today, you'd need to get down to around 160-165 to be competition ready (it could be higher or lower, this is just an estimate on my part). I don't recommend losing more than 2 lbs per week as it becomes very hard psychologically to drop calories to the deficit you'll need to lose that amount of weight (-1000 kcals below maintenance), in addition, you will be more prone to muscle loss, and your body will also begin fighting your fat loss sooner. So I'd recommend at least 20 weeks of dieting, aiming to lose 1.75 to 2 lbs of weight per week if you were to start dieting for a show today.

[Anabolic Delts]

i'm going to put my input in and please don't take offense to what I say, I'm just trying to prepare you properly. You look to be about 18-20% bodyfat, you might not think so, but almost EVERYONE underestimates bodyfat, and almost everyone never gets lean enough for a contest. Of all the contests i've done... I'd say at most, 20% of competitors got as lean as they could have... probably less than that. That said, if you started dieting for a show today, you'd need to get down to around 160-165 to be competition ready (it could be higher or lower, this is just an estimate on my part). I don't recommend losing more than 2 lbs per week as it becomes very hard psychologically to drop calories to the deficit you'll need to lose that amount of weight (-1000 kcals below maintenance), in addition, you will be more prone to muscle loss, and your body will also begin fighting your fat loss sooner. So I'd recommend at least 20 weeks of dieting, aiming to lose 1.75 to 2 lbs of weight per week if you were to start dieting for a show today.
str8flexed, 18-20% bodyfat is what I guesed around also, but people told me about 17% so I guess everyone is pretty close in guessing it, I am going to get some calipers soon though.
I understand that it's nt good to loose more then 2 pounds a week because then you will be loosing to much muscle.

Anyway, maybe I didnt make it clear but this is what I wanted to do.. with the diet that I just posted(not the first in the thread, i edited it and posted it a few posts up) I want to use to help me to get down to around 10-12% bodyfat.. that is what I am looking help for is with the diet to get to around 10-12% so I can then start bulking again very slowly Intill I get about 12 weeks out,(since I want to do my show in may-july time frame of 2005.) That way, My bodyfat wont be 18-20% like it is now and around 12% and I would have a much easier time doing my actual"contest prep" diet. Does that make sense how I worded that?

So basically in short, I wan to use this diet to get me alot more lean(10-12% roughly)and then bulk slowly to add a little more muscle and then when I get closer to the competition start the 'contest prep' diet.

btw, I wont take offense to anything anyone has to say... I want to know the truth and dont want to know half of the truth, I am not experienced with this so with experienced people telling me things I will beleave and not be upset about it. thanks

[Gaz[]v[]atrix]

I know the 9am meal your at school so why not grind up some oats and eat them in a shake you can always put it in some sort of bottle or something. I was talking to somebody at my gym, now I don’t know if this is true or not but she is just getting ready for a natural competition (2 weeks out) and she said bread of any kind is something to avoid. It apparently clogs up and lines your small intestine and stops the nutrients you need getting through.

[str8flexed]

str8flexed, 18-20% bodyfat is what I guesed around also, but people told me about 17% so I guess everyone is pretty close in guessing it, I am going to get some calipers soon though.
I understand that it's nt good to loose more then 2 pounds a week because then you will be loosing to much muscle.

Anyway, maybe I didnt make it clear but this is what I wanted to do.. with the diet that I just posted(not the first in the thread, i edited it and posted it a few posts up) I want to use to help me to get down to around 10-12% bodyfat.. that is what I am looking help for is with the diet to get to around 10-12% so I can then start bulking again very slowly Intill I get about 12 weeks out,(since I want to do my show in may-july time frame of 2005.) That way, My bodyfat wont be 18-20% like it is now and around 12% and I would have a much easier time doing my actual"contest prep" diet. Does that make sense how I worded that?

So basically in short, I wan to use this diet to get me alot more lean(10-12% roughly)and then bulk slowly to add a little more muscle and then when I get closer to the competition start the 'contest prep' diet.

btw, I wont take offense to anything anyone has to say... I want to know the truth and dont want to know half of the truth, I am not experienced with this so with experienced people telling me things I will beleave and not be upset about it. thanks

good, you have the proper attitude! It makes perfect sense what you are doing and it's probably exactly what I would do in your situation. As far as diets go, there is a big varience of what you can do. So long as you are getting enough total protein per day, i'd go with around 225-275g per day at your bodyweight... perhaps a bit more wouldn't hurt but 225-275 should be plenty at you LBM. Then I would also make sure you are getting enough essentail fatty acids (taking 6-10g of fish oil each day should cover this), and make sure you get AT LEAST 15% of your calories from fat (20-25 is probably better) then you can distribute the rest of your calories how you like. If you can do keto and you like keto, then do that, but if you are like me, I can't train intensely for **** on extreme low carb diets so I choose to make up the rest of the calories that I require with mostly carbs.
Now if at some point you stop losing fat at the desired rate... then you further reduce calories until the rate picks back up.
-Layne

[Anabolic Delts]

v[]atrix']I know the 9am meal your at school so why not grind up some oats and eat them in a shake you can always put it in some sort of bottle or something. I was talking to somebody at my gym, now I don’t know if this is true or not but she is just getting ready for a natural competition (2 weeks out) and she said bread of any kind is something to avoid. It apparently clogs up and lines your small intestine and stops the nutrients you need getting through.


Yea, I guess I could look into using oats instead of bread but I would only be able to do that for my 12 meal during school, the 9am meal im in class and your not aloud to have drinks or food, but i just eat my chicken and bread on the low.

[Anabolic Delts]

good, you have the proper attitude! It makes perfect sense what you are doing and it's probably exactly what I would do in your situation. As far as diets go, there is a big varience of what you can do. So long as you are getting enough total protein per day, i'd go with around 225-275g per day at your bodyweight... perhaps a bit more wouldn't hurt but 225-275 should be plenty at you LBM. Then I would also make sure you are getting enough essentail fatty acids (taking 6-10g of fish oil each day should cover this), and make sure you get AT LEAST 15% of your calories from fat (20-25 is probably better) then you can distribute the rest of your calories how you like. If you can do keto and you like keto, then do that, but if you are like me, I can't train intensely for **** on extreme low carb diets so I choose to make up the rest of the calories that I require with mostly carbs.
Now if at some point you stop losing fat at the desired rate... then you further reduce calories until the rate picks back up.
-Layne
Good to hear that my plan is making sense. I will lower my protein down since right now it is at 370 by taking out a can of tuna from each of my meals with tuna since I was eating 2 cans at a meal of them (thanks karatechris for that idea). And maybe take out the whey shake at my first meal on nonworkout days since I wont be using it for postworkout those days.

I take 6 fish caps(6 grams fat) and 1.5 tbsp flax oil (21 fat) and 2tbsp natural peanut butter (16 fat) a day for my efa's.. plus the other little amounts of fats from things like oats etc.

I deifnitly do not wanan do keto, The idea of eating all that bacon and sausage and all those fats it's just not the kinds of foods I like.

btw, I asked a few people this already just because I want to make sure but do you think that say after I do this cut and lean down, and then bulk slowly to add a little bit more muscle, THEN finally do my contest prep diet that I will even be anything good on stage?(if my contest diet goes well and all) Would I even have enough size to actually do good or would I just get last place? lol I am kind of a negative person towards everything so I always think the worst so opinions on that welcome as well.

[str8flexed]

Good to hear that my plan is making sense. I will lower my protein down since right now it is at 370 by taking out a can of tuna from each of my meals with tuna since I was eating 2 cans at a meal of them (thanks karatechris for that idea). And maybe take out the whey shake at my first meal on nonworkout days since I wont be using it for postworkout those days.

I take 6 fish caps(6 grams fat) and 1.5 tbsp flax oil (21 fat) and 2tbsp natural peanut butter (16 fat) a day for my efa's.. plus the other little amounts of fats from things like oats etc.

I deifnitly do not wanan do keto, The idea of eating all that bacon and sausage and all those fats it's just not the kinds of foods I like.

btw, I asked a few people this already just because I want to make sure but do you think that say after I do this cut and lean down, and then bulk slowly to add a little bit more muscle, THEN finally do my contest prep diet that I will even be anything good on stage?(if my contest diet goes well and all) Would I even have enough size to actually do good or would I just get last place? lol I am kind of a negative person towards everything so I always think the worst so opinions on that welcome as well.


I think you would do quite well if you get lean enough

[KarateChris]

I think you would do quite well if you get lean enough
Exactly. Trust me, you'll do FINE. NPC is difficult for a natty to compete in, but not so much in the teens (especially if your competition divides the 18 and 19 year olds from the 17 and under). I mean, I looked like I belonged on that stage with everyone else; I was really worried about stepping on stage and embarrassing myself, but I ended up looking the part, so I was happy. Plus you have like 10 pounds on me from when I first started cutting, and I had some serious bodyfat. So who knows what you'll end up looking like; I looked completely different come contest time from when I was bulking. Just stay on the course, do it no matter what, and you'll thank yourself even if it's just for the experience. That's why I did it. All for the experience so that in another 6 or so years I can come back and win the whole damn thing :D

[Anabolic Delts]

Exactly. Trust me, you'll do FINE. NPC is difficult for a natty to compete in, but not so much in the teens (especially if your competition divides the 18 and 19 year olds from the 17 and under). I mean, I looked like I belonged on that stage with everyone else; I was really worried about stepping on stage and embarrassing myself, but I ended up looking the part, so I was happy. Plus you have like 10 pounds on me from when I first started cutting, and I had some serious bodyfat. So who knows what you'll end up looking like; I looked completely different come contest time from when I was bulking. Just stay on the course, do it no matter what, and you'll thank yourself even if it's just for the experience. That's why I did it. All for the experience so that in another 6 or so years I can come back and win the whole damn thing :D

why is npc hard for a natural to compete in? Do they not drug test?

I am kinda hoping that they do divide the teen into 17 and under and 18-19 so that I wont be going up against someone with 3 years more experience on me. But Who knows maybe they wont and I will still do good with 19 yr olds. Staying on track isnt a problem at all, Sure sometimes I will get cravings for something I shouldnt be having but I can still resist, I just have to drink a bunch of water till im so full I dont even wanna eat it..thats how I do it anyway.

Your waiting 6 years to compete again!?! Why so long away


I think you would do quite well if you get lean enough

ok, now all I gotta do is get lean.. I hear cell tech/nitro tech/hydroxcut is suppose to be like 19000% better then anything else. I WILL GET SOME RIGHT AWAY!:D

[KarateChris]

why is npc hard for a natural to compete in? Do they not drug test?

I am kinda hoping that they do divide the teen into 17 and under and 18-19 so that I wont be going up against someone with 3 years more experience on me. But Who knows maybe they wont and I will still do good with 19 yr olds. Staying on track isnt a problem at all, Sure sometimes I will get cravings for something I shouldnt be having but I can still resist, I just have to drink a bunch of water till im so full I dont even wanna eat it..thats how I do it anyway.

Your waiting 6 years to compete again!?! Why so long away

First off, no NPC doesn't drug test lol. I thought you knew that? There are SOME NPC shows that claim to be natural that do drug test (Beast Competed in one) but the majority of them don't drug test. And I don't really know how long I will take to compete again; I don't really want to put a time frame on it. I'll compete when I can be competitive in the men's division, and as of right now, I'd be a joke compared the Men (trust me, I saw them up close at the competition; they're infinitely bigger than me).

[str8flexed]

if you get lean enough you'd do fine in just about any teen division; the big thing with teens is, most just don't get lean enough to do well.

[Anabolic Delts]

First off, no NPC doesn't drug test lol. I thought you knew that? There are SOME NPC shows that claim to be natural that do drug test (Beast Competed in one) but the majority of them don't drug test. And I don't really know how long I will take to compete again; I don't really want to put a time frame on it. I'll compete when I can be competitive in the men's division, and as of right now, I'd be a joke compared the Men (trust me, I saw them up close at the competition; they're infinitely bigger than me).

lol No I didnt know that, How would I anyway? it doesnt matter to me really if they test or not, but I guess the next guy that says natural could have an advantage over me if he wasnt.. but we all make choices so oh well.

You think you would be a joke in the mens division? I am not sure but I thought shaneg85(whos only 16 or 17) won the mens division at his last competition. Im sure you could do it before 6 years.


if you get lean enough you'd do fine in just about any teen division; the big thing with teens is, most just don't get lean enough to do well.
yeah I think brett feldman said that in his video training his brother that most of the time teens dont get lean enough for theyre competition.


Does anybody have any pictures from teen contests? Ones showing like a line up of them would be cool but Im not talking about from nationals or anything just maybe a local one so I could see maybe what I would be going up against?

[KarateChris]

lol No I didnt know that, How would I anyway? it doesnt matter to me really if they test or not, but I guess the next guy that says natural could have an advantage over me if he wasnt.. but we all make choices so oh well.

You think you would be a joke in the mens division? I am not sure but I thought shaneg85(whos only 16 or 17) won the mens division at his last competition. Im sure you could do it before 6 years.


yeah I think brett feldman said that in his video training his brother that most of the time teens dont get lean enough for theyre competition.


Does anybody have any pictures from teen contests? Ones showing like a line up of them would be cool but Im not talking about from nationals or anything just maybe a local one so I could see maybe what I would be going up against?
Yes, Shane did win the lightweight division at his competition, but at MY competition, he wouldn't have. The judges even STOPPED the prejudging and commented on that this lineup of lightweights were the BEST line up of light weights they had ever seen at a show. I'm TELLING you, these guys were unreal. There were at least 15 competitors in the lightweight division alone. I could be wrong, but Shane didn't compete in NPC; he competed in a drug tested show. Not to take ANYTHING away from shane b/c he more than likely would have beaten me. I REALLY wish I had pics from my show; all the pics I have are of me and my friend Chad who got last place in my division, so it's not really good proof to show you what my show looked like. Also, my friend Kris competed also, and he WON the teen division at that show last year, but this year he was 20 so he had to compete with the men. He was a middleweight; do you know what he placed? He didn't place. They only announce the top three, and he didn't want to see how far back he was. A natural 20 year old competing against guys 6+ years older than you on juice isn't really a competition. Now, there are other shows that aren't as big as the one I competed in that I could do, and I may look into those, but all the NPC shows in Louisiana will showcase the same guys. Like there was a competition the weekend after the NPC Louisiana called the NPC Greater Gulf States in New Olreans, and Kris competed in it and said everyone that competed the previous weekend was there, and BASICALLY everyone got the same scoring (some were flipflopped 1st and second). Point is, I know when I'll be ready...

Anyway, search the net for possible pictures from the show that you want to compete in. They may have photos from previous years.

[KarateChris]

Also forgot to say, yes Layne is right. In most teen divisions, they're looking for level of leanness. And most teens don't get lean enough (case in point, ME :D but I can promise I will next time). But, the teens that won the top three at my show were more than lean enough...

[str8flexed]

here is a picture from the teen division at my first show... it was an INBF tested show

[KarateChris]

here is a picture from the teen division at my first show... it was an INBF tested show
Jesus I can't even think of a number that could say how many times bigger you are now than you were in that pic hehehe. *bows*

[str8flexed]

Jesus I can't even think of a number that could say how many times bigger you are now than you were in that pic hehehe. *bows*


thanks chris, I appreciate it. I think I looked pretty decent as a teen though. My legs were terrible but at least I achieved good conditioning. :)

-Layne

[KarateChris]

thanks chris, I appreciate it. I think I looked pretty decent as a teen though. My legs were terrible but at least I achieved good conditioning. :)

-Layne
Yea dude you definitely had good condition, and the legs have since at least tripled in size to where I personally don't think they're a weak point. What are you currently prioritizing?

[Anabolic Delts]

Also forgot to say, yes Layne is right. In most teen divisions, they're looking for level of leanness. And most teens don't get lean enough (case in point, ME :D but I can promise I will next time). But, the teens that won the top three at my show were more than lean enough...
yea, I guess sometimes you could be lean enough but not do the whole water intake and sodium potassium loading/depletion.. When time comes I will ask about it but I guess for now I dont need to know how to do that last week.

[b]QUOTE=str8flxed]here is a picture from the teen division at my first show... it was an INBF tested show[/QUOTE]

How old were you in these pictures? You and the other 2 definitly would have won over me even after I diet down.. I guess I cant expect 1st place though at my first contest,although that would be really nice.. A kid I kno just won first place in a teen contest in ft lauderdale.

[str8flexed]

yea, I guess sometimes you could be lean enough but not do the whole water intake and sodium potassium loading/depletion.. When time comes I will ask about it but I guess for now I dont need to know how to do that last week.

[b]QUOTE=str8flxed]here is a picture from the teen division at my first show... it was an INBF tested show

How old were you in these pictures? You and the other 2 definitly would have won over me even after I diet down.. I guess I cant expect 1st place though at my first contest,although that would be really nice.. A kid I kno just won first place in a teen contest in ft lauderdale.[/QUOTE]


I think you'll do much better than you think. You'd be amazed how much bigger you look when you cut down... yes I said bigger. It has a way of disguising weaknesses

Chris, I'm still prioritizing legs, in addition I'm also prioritizing back

[KarateChris]

How old were you in these pictures? You and the other 2 definitly would have won over me even after I diet down.. I guess I cant expect 1st place though at my first contest,although that would be really nice.. A kid I kno just won first place in a teen contest in ft lauderdale.


I think you'll do much better than you think. You'd be amazed how much bigger you look when you cut down... yes I said bigger. It has a way of disguising weaknesses

Chris, I'm still prioritizing legs, in addition I'm also prioritizing back[/QUOTE]
Bump to this. I looked 200 times bigger when I was leaner (not bigger in a shirt, but once the shirt came off, I looked much bigger).

I'm currently prioritizing bi's and tri's. I WISH my arms grew like yours. Hopefully by hitting them twice per week it will help with growth.

[Anabolic Delts]

I think you'll do much better than you think. You'd be amazed how much bigger you look when you cut down... yes I said bigger. It has a way of disguising weaknesses

Chris, I'm still prioritizing legs, in addition I'm also prioritizing back

yeah I never reallized how much different you look when you cut down, karatechris showed me his picture from I think 26 weeks out and hasnt started dieting at all yet and from those pictures to his contest he looks soo much bigger even though im sure all his measurments were smaller since the fat loss. Also, look in the picture of the side chest and the ones from the front.. you can see that my chest does not grow.. do you think when I cut down this will be even more of a problem makign my chest look even smaller or since you would see maybe striations in it that it would match up with me.

1 more quick little thing, I started pointing my toes outward slightly when I am posing in the mirror and it makes my quads look alot better showing the teardrop muscle comming in at the bottom and the other one on the side. Just thought I would share but im sure everyone who reads this will have already known.

[str8flexed]

yeah I never reallized how much different you look when you cut down, karatechris showed me his picture from I think 26 weeks out and hasnt started dieting at all yet and from those pictures to his contest he looks soo much bigger even though im sure all his measurments were smaller since the fat loss. Also, look in the picture of the side chest and the ones from the front.. you can see that my chest does not grow.. do you think when I cut down this will be even more of a problem makign my chest look even smaller or since you would see maybe striations in it that it would match up with me.

1 more quick little thing, I started pointing my toes outward slightly when I am posing in the mirror and it makes my quads look alot better showing the teardrop muscle comming in at the bottom and the other one on the side. Just thought I would share but im sure everyone who reads this will have already known.

chest always looks bigger when you lose bodyfat.

here is me before i started dieting for my last show... and me afterwards.

[ShaneG85]

Hey Anabolic Delts,

I would listen to what everyone is telling you. Layne and Chris both know what they're talking about. I got your pm awhile back when the new forum started and couldn't figure it out right away and forgot about your PM. Sorry about that bro. I think you look massive in your pics and will definately do well when you cut down and compete. I'm glad you also like the Feldman Brothers video. I learned a lot from it and it was really cool to meet Kraig and Brett in person!! I lived with them for 3 days and the experience was priceless. I got to see Dave Smith who stepped on stage at the teen nationals weighing 238 pounds@5'9"!!

My competitors at my show weren't very good. I would've gotten killed in the NPC as Chris said!! The NPC is where the big dogs are. Lots of the teens in the Teen Nationals last year could've won the overall at my show!! There's much more competition in the NPC than other organizations. If you want to do the Teen Nationals in the future, I would recommend doing an NPC show and qualifying yourself so you won't have to worry about that later. The diet looks pretty good. I wouldn't take out the two cans of tuna though. I would stay on the diet that you originally posted and see what you have to do from there. You should be losing weight right away because you'll be eating a lot cleaner than you were in the off-season. Good luck:D

Shane

[Anabolic Delts]

Hey Anabolic Delts,

I would listen to what everyone is telling you. Layne and Chris both know what they're talking about. I got your pm awhile back when the new forum started and couldn't figure it out right away and forgot about your PM. Sorry about that bro. I think you look massive in your pics and will definately do well when you cut down and compete. I'm glad you also like the Feldman Brothers video. I learned a lot from it and it was really cool to meet Kraig and Brett in person!! I lived with them for 3 days and the experience was priceless. I got to see Dave Smith who stepped on stage at the teen nationals weighing 238 pounds@5'9"!!

My competitors at my show weren't very good. I would've gotten killed in the NPC as Chris said!! The NPC is where the big dogs are. Lots of the teens in the Teen Nationals last year could've won the overall at my show!! There's much more competition in the NPC than other organizations. If you want to do the Teen Nationals in the future, I would recommend doing an NPC show and qualifying yourself so you won't have to worry about that later. The diet looks pretty good. I wouldn't take out the two cans of tuna though. I would stay on the diet that you originally posted and see what you have to do from there. You should be losing weight right away because you'll be eating a lot cleaner than you were in the off-season. Good luck:D

Shane
thanks, how did you get to live with them for 3 days? that would be awsome.
What is the other organazations besides npc,maybe I should not do an NPC competition for my first if thats the top of the line. Yeah I already have lost some weight (alot of water I think from the sodium decrease,no more cheating..) but Also My measurments are the same.. and my abs show more now and I actually saw a little bit of obliques yesterday after eating meal 1.. nice. thanks for posting shane..

[KarateChris]

thanks, how did you get to live with them for 3 days? that would be awsome.
What is the other organazations besides npc,maybe I should not do an NPC competition for my first if thats the top of the line. Yeah I already have lost some weight (alot of water I think from the sodium decrease,no more cheating..) but Also My measurments are the same.. and my abs show more now and I actually saw a little bit of obliques yesterday after eating meal 1.. nice. thanks for posting shane..
I think you can still do an NPC show. Like shane said, if you want NPC nationals, just compete now so you can qualify (all teen competitors qualify for teen nationals). And yes, the NPC is a huge amateur federation. When you win your pro card, you become an IFBB pro. The NPC is the amateur federation of the IFBB. There are other federations that do drug test, though, and aren't as big as the NPC, but they're still well respected bodybuilding federations. Layne, Skip, and Ted should be able to help you with finding a good natural show in the Florida area.

[Anabolic Delts]

I think you can still do an NPC show. Like shane said, if you want NPC nationals, just compete now so you can qualify (all teen competitors qualify for teen nationals). And yes, the NPC is a huge amateur federation. When you win your pro card, you become an IFBB pro. The NPC is the amateur federation of the IFBB. There are other federations that do drug test, though, and aren't as big as the NPC, but they're still well respected bodybuilding federations. Layne, Skip, and Ted should be able to help you with finding a good natural show in the Florida area.
So basically, the NPC doesnt do drug testing and the other bb federations do drug test? So to become an actual "amatuer bodybuilder" you have to win npc nationals.. or do you just have to have competed in any npc show?

btw, is ted the same as 'fletch'?

[str8flexed]

So basically, the NPC doesnt do drug testing and the other bb federations do drug test? So to become an actual "amatuer bodybuilder" you have to win npc nationals.. or do you just have to have competed in any npc show?

btw, is ted the same as 'fletch'?

lol, if you compete in any contest whatsoever you are an amature bodybuilder. And most shows you don't have to qualify for unless they are nationals and in the case of natural shows... some super pro qualifiers require you to pre-qualify.

ted=fletch

[KarateChris]

lol, if you compete in any contest whatsoever you are an amature bodybuilder. And most shows you don't have to qualify for unless they are nationals and in the case of natural shows... some super pro qualifiers require you to pre-qualify.

ted=fletch
Exactly. I'm an amateur bodybuilder; not a TOP amateur bodybuider, but an amateur nonetheless hehehe.

[Anabolic Delts]

lol, if you compete in any contest whatsoever you are an amature bodybuilder. And most shows you don't have to qualify for unless they are nationals and in the case of natural shows... some super pro qualifiers require you to pre-qualify.

ted=fletch

lol I see, I didnt kno though.


Anyone know when the npc website is going to have the 2005 competition dates up?

[Anabolic Delts]

Exactly. I'm an amateur bodybuilder; not a TOP amateur bodybuider, but an amateur nonetheless hehehe.
so then what am I? A peice of trash bodybuilder because I havent competed before lol. I just call myself a 'tryin to be a bodybuilder'

[KarateChris]

so then what am I? A peice of trash bodybuilder because I havent competed before lol. I just call myself a 'tryin to be a bodybuilder'
No, I personally think of anyone who is serious about contest prep and is currently doing a contest prep an amateur bodybuilder. But everyone else who works out and never competes but calls themselves bodybuilders... yea they're posers :D Just kidding everyone...
Oh and the NPC website won't be updated with 2005 contests until January or February. I didn't know the date of mine until like april hehe.

[raver321]

Shane Giese will also be competing at the 2005 NPC Teen Nationals, checkout his page at www.teenbodybuilding.com , he has some contest prep articles up, he hasnt updated recently but he should update them soon, he has all kinds of helpfull info like workout routines, workout tips, food diets, and much more, hes also 16 just like you. Checkout his page, you can also email him by clicking the email link on his page. Good Luck with your contest prep! Update us with your latest pics as contest day gets closer.

[JR Worthington]

Shane Giese will also be competing at the 2005 NPC Teen Nationals, checkout his page at www.teenbodybuilding.com , he has some contest prep articles up, he hasnt updated recently but he should update them soon, he has all kinds of helpfull info like workout routines, workout tips, food diets, and much more, hes also 16 just like you. Checkout his page, you can also email him by clicking the email link on his page. Good Luck with your contest prep! Update us with your latest pics as contest day gets closer.

i forgot about this thread, I still havent competed.. but I start dieting in a few days.. I talk to shane sometimes through PM's.. do u compete also? I see u live in orlando.. I live around there kinda

[raver321]

I dont compete but I wish I looked like Shane.