Creatine Ethyl Ester

[Vinnie Bobarino]

It seems as if this is the new hot item in the industry. What I want to know is if there is any studies or legitamate science showing this stuff to be better than any other form of creatine.

[Erosado17]

So far b/c of the marketing issues i havent been able to find any scientific studies either man. All i hear is advertising saying that it has 39x the absorbsion rate. but then again thats an advertisment. either way i hear it wont be available till january due to marketing issues.

[loern]

Yet another type of creatine? Man, this is getting ridiculous! There are already 15 different types of creatine on the marked.

I would also like to know if this new version works better.

[Erosado17]

Honestly I think that When Creatine Ethyl ester does finally hit the market im gonna give it a try. But im only going to use MRI's CE2. I hear due to legal issues (Other companies are complaining to the FDA that MRI's CE2 is too potent so now MRI needs to renew their formula. I hear that other companies are using this time to come up with their own version of creatine ethyl ester) CE2 cant be release BUT that they have the original patent on Creatine ethyl ester so theirs should be better than the other brand names. then again this may be all crap but these are the rumors going around. IDK i just want the damn thing to come out so i can try it.

[pu12en12g]

I'm interested in the science behind this as well.

[Myself]

What are the 15 types of creatine? How would u rate them?

[32stilllifting]

Creatine Monohydrate is the most well known of all the creatines. Most if not all of the peer reviewed scientific literature that has been published has used plain old Creatine Monohydrate.

I am an exercise physiologist (by education)...Don't waste your money on these so called superior Creatines if you are already experiencing good results with CM.

[32stilllifting]

By the way University of Nebraska Medical Center and Biovance own rights to Creatine Ethyl Ester. MRI has exclusive rights to sell in U.S.

This has not been approved by the FDA as of yet.

The Creatine Ethyl Esters that are on the market are questionable products sourced from China...Contact the above if you don't believe me. Better yet Contact the FDA.

Again I would stick with a good source of Creatine Monohydrate like Prolab or Ultimate's CreaPure. I have always had good results. I'm sure EAS and other companies have reputable Creatines also

[loern]

Originally posted by Myself
What are the 15 types of creatine? How would u rate them?

Well, I haven't tried any other type of creatine than CM.

Here are 11 types: (The remaining types are simply creatine in capsules, tablets, effervescent tablets and chewables)

- Creatine Monohydrate

- Creatine Ethyl Ester

- Creatine Anhydrous: Creatine with the water molecule removed. Durh! Increases the percentage of creatine per gram by 6%.

- Creatine Citrate: Creatine molecule attached to a citric acid molecule. Citric acid is important for aerob energy production within the muscle. CC may provide greater muscular energy boosts than CM. However, no research has confirmed this theory yet. Citrate allows better dissolution in water.

- Creatine Phosphate: Just creatine with a phospate molecule bound to it. Has been proven to be less effective than CM.

- Creatine Malate: Creatine bound to malic acid. Works pretty much the same way as creatine citrate. Though, its effectiveness hasn't been comfirmed yet either. Though it doesn't make your stomach upset.

- Creatine-Glutamine-Taurine: Glutamine and taurine are both cell volumizers. May be more effective than CM alone.

- Creatine HMB: Creatine bound to beta-hydroxy betamethylbutyrate. HMB aids muscle growth and recovery. C HMB is more soluble and resists degradation in the stomach better than CM. The two molecules split once they hit the bloodstream and are delivered seperately to the muscles. This is one of the newer creatine types, so there is no research to back up this theory.

- Creatine Tartrate: Creatine bound to tartaric acid. Used in capsules, tablets, etc. Isn't better than CM

- Creatine Titrate: Allows better solubility by changing the pH in the water when it is added.

- Liquid Creatine: Is supposed to be absorbed better since the creatine is completely dissolved. Gets unstable after a year.

- Magnesium Creatine: Creatine bound to magnesium. Helps protect the creatine from stomach acid and improves its absorption. Magnesium is necessary for the conversion of creatine phosphate to ATP. A study has shown that this type of creatine is slightly more effective than CM. Subjects taking MC demonstrated greater strentgh gains and their cells took in more fluid.

[32stilllifting]

FYI...I know of no liquid Creatines that are stable in liquid for any period of time.

Which one are you talking about? We all know about the law suit that one company has lost because their liquid creatine contains absolutely no creatine what so ever.

Later

[loern]

Well, this is what most companies claim. Though I wouldn't risk wasting money on liquid creatine. ;)

[pu12en12g]

You forgot KreAlkalyn (Buffered Creatine)

[Coolio Jones]

Honestly I think that When Creatine Ethyl ester does finally hit the market im gonna give it a try. But im only going to use MRI's CE2. I hear due to legal issues (Other companies are complaining to the FDA that MRI's CE2 is too potent so now MRI needs to renew their formula. I hear that other companies are using this time to come up with their own version of creatine ethyl ester) CE2 cant be release BUT that they have the original patent on Creatine ethyl ester so theirs should be better than the other brand names. then again this may be all crap but these are the rumors going around. IDK i just want the damn thing to come out so i can try it.

MRI holds NO patents on Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL, check this page for what MRI DOES hold patents on:


http://www.mrihq.com/research.html#prop


I've actually been testing out a product that hasnt hit the market yet, and I'm getting good results... better than creatine? Hard to tell so far, but I am stronger and holding less water than when I load on regular creatine.

[rizay]

MRI holds NO patents on Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL, check this page for what MRI DOES hold patents on:


http://www.mrihq.com/research.html#prop


I've actually been testing out a product that hasnt hit the market yet, and I'm getting good results... better than creatine? Hard to tell so far, but I am stronger and holding less water than when I load on regular creatine.
I hear of companies having trouble with creatinine conversion...BSN is coming out with cellmass with patent pending creatine ester ethyl malate, and I hear they did fix the creatinine issue. I personally used CRE2, and thought I was seeing better endurance/strength, but didn't use it solo so I can't be sure. All in all mixed reviews, so take it's usage with a grain of salt as there are no published journal articles.

[TheOMEGA]

Creatine Malates have the best cost benfit ratio

[Dr Leucine]

So far b/c of the marketing issues i havent been able to find any scientific studies either man. All i hear is advertising saying that it has 39x the absorbsion rate. but then again thats an advertisment. either way i hear it wont be available till january due to marketing issues.


You're absolutely right, there is not a single scientific article available on this topic

[jjh04f]

It's already been produced. The CEX by VPX is what you guys are looking for.

[Zachattack43]

It's already been produced. The CEX by VPX is what you guys are looking for.
well CEX is not really what we are looking for. Sure it has CEE in it, but they wont even say how much plus it has regular creatine in it and AKG, i rather go with a company that tells me how much CEE is in it or a bulk powder of CEE which i will buy soon

[Big Cat]

well CEX is not really what we are looking for. Sure it has CEE in it, but they wont even say how much plus it has regular creatine in it and AKG, i rather go with a company that tells me how much CEE is in it or a bulk powder of CEE which i will buy soon

Classic VPX. 9 out of ten says it contains some creatine and some ethyl alcohol and they call it creatine ethyl and sell it for ten times the price calling it the latest new thing that's better than steroids. Just like back with the androtriol scam and they gave it steroid sounding names.

[Zachattack43]

they gave it steroid sounding names.
Now that is CLASSIC VPX and doesnt seem like it will stop

[Antonio]

Classic VPX. 9 out of ten says it contains some creatine and some ethyl alcohol and they call it creatine ethyl and sell it for ten times the price calling it the latest new thing that's better than steroids. Just like back with the androtriol scam and they gave it steroid sounding names.

So big cat, what's are your thoughts on the new CEE? Another scam??

[Big Cat]

So big cat, what's are your thoughts on the new CEE? Another scam??

What should I say ? I've yet to see any data on it at all, so I couldn't comment. But from the claims being made its only benefit is a lower creatinine conversion rate. In which case it is a total waste. Because studies demonstrate that with acute creatine ingestion you get a 13% rise in serum creatinine and a 50-fold rise in serum creatine. With higher ingestion, up to 35% is lost, but muscle creatine store still reach full capacity to transporter downregulation. So unless this CEE only costs 1/3000th more than regular creatine, yes, it will be a waste.

The bottom line is, if one creatine doesn't work for you, its more than likely another kind won't either. And if it does work for you, it really doesn't matter which one you take, so go for the cheaper ones.

[matpal]

FWIW, I have a few non-responders doing logs on bulk CEE over at anabolicmins.com, and so far the feedback has been very positive.

[TheTom]

99% of the User feedback on every forum I visit is always positive. When it comes to knowing whether a product works or not science should really be your only guide.

Honestly how many Logs have you seen where a guy paid a LOT of money for something. OR, he got something for FREE. OR he is a good friend of company owner... and he didn't have good feedback?

etc etc etc etc

The point is 99% of all user feedback is extremely good feedback. People don't want to look like fools.

Besides most supplements that do work, will not show the extreme positive results that many people claim. Because their claims are simply BS, even if they don't realize it.

How many times have I heard of people saying they constantly gain 20lbs every week on bench/squat from Arginine-AKG. The guy should be benching/squating like 800lbs by now. But instead if you carefully examine the log, nothing major has changed.

The simple matter of the fact is this. Lifting consistently and overeating will give gains. This totally screws up all User feedback you have ever read. Why?

Because when 99% of all posters on a forum buys/tests a new mass building product, what do they do? They raise their cals. This is the first thing I always notice.

Raising your cals will of course result in increase strength and increase LBM gain.

The entire User feedback can than be completely thrown out and dismissed.

Not to mention they begin to train harder, more consistently and they don't stop using their other supplements. Most User feedback=a complete waste.

*none of these % are fact but I'll be damned if they aren't close!

TIPS TO HAVING A SUCCESSFULL LOG

#1: Don't be biased in anyway, just get it out of your head
#2: Don't increase calories
#3: DON'T TAKE OTHER SUPPLEMENTS DURING THE TRIAL, you can do without your creatine for 4-6 weeks of your life or however long the trial is.
#4: Don't train differently.
#5: Don't spend more than you should, this will sway the test. No one wants to feel like they've blown money.
#6: When being given a supplement to test from a well known company. Get it out of your head that you are important and want to make them look good. So you can do further testing in the future. If you do this, you are a sellout punk bitch. Give a true feedback.
#7: Follow these steps and your feedback will not have been done in vain.

*if you have done User feedback before and are angry with any of these 7 steps, then you probably have broken one of them. Your feedback should be dismissed and you should note so in your log. Otherwise you have contributed nothing to the supplement world.

[Zachattack43]

99% of the User feedback on every forum I visit is always positive. When it comes to knowing whether a product works or not science should really be your only guide.

Honestly how many Logs have you seen where a guy paid a LOT of money for something. OR, he got something for FREE. OR he is a good friend of company owner... and he didn't have good feedback?

etc etc etc etc

The point is 99% of all user feedback is extremely good feedback. People don't want to look like fools.

Besides most supplements that do work, will not show the extreme positive results that many people claim. Because their claims are simply BS, even if they don't realize it.

How many times have I heard of people saying they constantly gain 20lbs every week on bench/squat from Arginine-AKG. The guy should be benching/squating like 800lbs by now. But instead if you carefully examine the log, nothing major has changed.

The simple matter of the fact is this. Lifting consistently and overeating will give gains. This totally screws up all User feedback you have ever read. Why?

Because when 99% of all posters on a forum buys/tests a new mass building product, what do they do? They raise their cals. This is the first thing I always notice.

Raising your cals will of course result in increase strength and increase LBM gain.

The entire User feedback can than be completely thrown out and dismissed.

Not to mention they begin to train harder, more consistently and they don't stop using their other supplements. Most User feedback=a complete waste.

*none of these % are fact but I'll be damned if they aren't close!

TIPS TO HAVING A SUCCESSFULL LOG

#1: Don't be biased in anyway, just get it out of your head
#2: Don't increase calories
#3: DON'T TAKE OTHER SUPPLEMENTS DURING THE TRIAL, you can do without your creatine for 4-6 weeks of your life or however long the trial is.
#4: Don't train differently.
#5: Don't spend more than you should, this will sway the test. No one wants to feel like they've blown money.
#6: When being given a supplement to test from a well known company. Get it out of your head that you are important and want to make them look good. So you can do further testing in the future. If you do this, you are a sellout punk bitch. Give a true feedback.
#7: Follow these steps and your feedback will not have been done in vain.

*if you have done User feedback before and are angry with any of these 7 steps, then you probably have broken one of them. Your feedback should be dismissed and you should note so in your log. Otherwise you have contributed nothing to the supplement world.
great rules, any problem with my logs bro?

[MusclesFlyers]

The simple matter of the fact is this. Lifting consistently and overeating will give gains. This totally screws up all User feedback you have ever read. Why?

Because when 99% of all posters on a forum buys/tests a new mass building product, what do they do? They raise their cals. This is the first thing I always notice.

Raising your cals will of course result in increase strength and increase LBM gain.

The entire User feedback can than be completely thrown out and dismissed.

Not to mention they begin to train harder, more consistently and they don't stop using their other supplements. Most User feedback=a complete waste.

*none of these % are fact but I'll be damned if they aren't close!

TIPS TO HAVING A SUCCESSFULL LOG

#1: Don't be biased in anyway, just get it out of your head
#2: Don't increase calories
#3: DON'T TAKE OTHER SUPPLEMENTS DURING THE TRIAL, you can do without your creatine for 4-6 weeks of your life or however long the trial is.
#4: Don't train differently.
#5: Don't spend more than you should, this will sway the test. No one wants to feel like they've blown money.
#6: When being given a supplement to test from a well known company. Get it out of your head that you are important and want to make them look good. So you can do further testing in the future. If you do this, you are a sellout punk bitch. Give a true feedback.
#7: Follow these steps and your feedback will not have been done in vain.

*if you have done User feedback before and are angry with any of these 7 steps, then you probably have broken one of them. Your feedback should be dismissed and you should note so in your log. Otherwise you have contributed nothing to the supplement world.

I commend you on your viewpoint(s) and opinions, but I'm going to have to disagree with you a little. Although I do believe that certain supplements are overrated and some even provide false feedback, I believe that most of the users out there provide honest feedback. When it comes to testing a product correctly, it is the experienced bodybuilder/weightlifter that provides the best feedback. This is due in part to the knowledge needed to provide the rest with adequate information/feedback. I do understand that certain people "increase their cals" and train harder when testing a new supplement thus producing false feedback, but the majority of weightlifters stick to their regular eating habits/training routine thus allocating all of their results to the supplement in which they are trying. i.e- The eating/training is the control of the experiment while the supplement is the variable.

[sikboy]

Does any1 know what dose a 273 lb body builder should use?
If so, how long should i stay on cee?

[TheOMEGA]

So unless this CEE only costs 1/3000th more than regular creatine, yes, it will be a waste.

.

I love this Quote :)


I think there are only 2 Creatines that matter

good ole reg creatine, and d-Creatine malate

and I include the d-creatine malate for it does have better solubilty, and just generally a different functionality ( meaning actuall pshysical differnces that are usefull)

[Cronus]

i like many other people out believe creatine is creatine and this marketing bull is getting very old but after reading several logs and giving into the hype i bought some. i'm on my 12 day and all i can say is it works very well. strength went up after about a week or so and i'm more vascular than i can ever remember, given i'm staying leaner now than i have in the past.

[Rippd]

Think about it. These supplement companies need to continue to come out with "new" and "improved" creatines so that people will buy it. It's called marketing. If everyone sells just creatine monohydrate, why would you buy one brand over another? So they come out with these new creatines to sell more.

Just read the ads from the newest forms of creatine, they claim "skin bursting pumps" and "no bloating". Regular creatine monohydrate does not bloat you. It draws water INTO the muscle not subq!

Bottom line, creatine monohydrate is the most researched, most proven, most time tested form of creatine.

[Superior1]

I just supplied 2 dozen guys over on professionalmuscle.com with 25kg of CEE. There is some very knowledgable guys there so we should begin to hear some real world reviews from it in the next 45-60 days maybe less.

[Kuda]

Thats what I love about this site, no hype, just solid answers.

I'm thinking of starting creatine to get some strength back. Just got over a seriously nasty bout of the flu/cold/lung infection (30+ days I didn't train).

I tried creatine once many years ago, but went off it after it bloated the ****e outta me.

So, Now I Need a good reputable and trustworthy brand to start with.
Any insight is greatly appreciated,

Thanks bros,

[Patrick Arnold]

Yet another type of creatine? Man, this is getting ridiculous! There are already 15 different types of creatine on the marked.

I would also like to know if this new version works better.


this stuff actually is somewhat unique. its not just another salt of creatine

its solubility is excellent, it is stable to acid, and its absorption from the gut is extremely quick and efficient

now whether this translates into more results in the gym has yet to be established

[Patrick Arnold]

Honestly I think that When Creatine Ethyl ester does finally hit the market im gonna give it a try. But im only going to use MRI's CE2. I hear due to legal issues (Other companies are complaining to the FDA that MRI's CE2 is too potent so now MRI needs to renew their formula. I hear that other companies are using this time to come up with their own version of creatine ethyl ester) .


what a bunch of marketing BS. the hold up is that the patent holders (pronutrient of nebraska, not MRI) is trying to get FDA pre approval and they have not. MRI is merely the license holder to the patent for use in sports supps

if MRI is lying by saying it has something to do with their stuff being too potent then up theirs, really. this is exactly that kind of lying to consumers that i hate. Hate hate hate. i am throwing stuff around the lab as i speak

[Patrick Arnold]

By the way University of Nebraska Medical Center and Biovance own rights to Creatine Ethyl Ester. MRI has exclusive rights to sell in U.S.

This has not been approved by the FDA as of yet.



sort of, but not exactly.

75 day pre market notification does not constitute an FDA approval of the product. you submit your application and either the FDA says you sent them insufficient information or they say nothing

if after 75 days you do not hear from the fDA, then you can sell it

that way, the FDA never actualy approves anything. it only fails to reject.

its f-ed up, but that is how DSHEA works

[warriors]

well i just finished my first bottle of VPX CEX and it was the best creatine i have ever tried. Check out my log and my final review for specifics.

[Superior1]

Patrick:
The drum I ordered was delayed due to some type of FDA release forms. I assume it was what your mentioning. It wasn't a matter of them releasing it as much as it was them not saying to halt selling it??

[Patrick Arnold]

Patrick:
The drum I ordered was delayed due to some type of FDA release forms. I assume it was what your mentioning. It wasn't a matter of them releasing it as much as it was them not saying to halt selling it??


huh? you gotta write more clearly

anyway

FDA at the border and FDA supplement division (forgot what it is called) are totally different. they usually have no idea what one another is doing, so the halting in customs probably has nothing to do with the premarket notification saga

however, they are likely to ask you if this is a supplement that has a premarket notification and they are going to ask you to prove it. You are not going to be able to do this. So you are not gonna get your stuff released i am afraid.

[flava]

on a side note just how stable is CEE in citric acid, because if you mix this stuff in with minute maid lemonade it completely mask the nasty taste of CEE.

[warriors]

on a side note just how stable is CEE in citric acid, because if you mix this stuff in with minute maid lemonade it completely mask the nasty taste of CEE.

I mixed mine with orange juice all the time

[Bbuilder89]

I'm taking CEE and it is giving me great gains for me I think I went up about 20lbs on my bench and 1/2in on my arms for the two weeks. And it is in pill form so its easy to take and great gains. I recommend it to all





Bbuilder

[Patrick Arnold]

on a side note just how stable is CEE in citric acid, because if you mix this stuff in with minute maid lemonade it completely mask the nasty taste of CEE.


It is much more stable than creatine is in acid. it lasts weeks without much creatinine conversion

in alkaline conditions though it degrades immediately

but no one ever drinks stuff that is alkaline

[Mass_69]

in alkaline conditions though it degrades immediately

but no one ever drinks stuff that is alkaline
You mean I'm the only one that drinks a Duracell shake?

[TYPEA]

(Other companies are complaining to the FDA that MRI's CE2 is too potent so now MRI needs to renew their formula. I hear that other companies are using this time to come up with their own version of creatine ethyl ester)

Dude, whut?!

How can CE2 be too potent if it hasn't even been released and doesn't have an ounce of science to substantiate it's effectiveness? The FDA rejected it for MRI not being able to prove it's safety. Safety is the only reason it wasn't approved by the FDA.

Without science, it's just another gamble...

[RU4A69]

Now this is some truly interesting ****....


(sorry for NECRObump-couldn't resist)



VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV


It is much more stable than creatine is in acid. it lasts weeks without much creatinine conversion

in alkaline conditions though it degrades immediately

but no one ever drinks stuff that is alkaline

[Sennor]

From what ive read, and can fathom from the limited sources on CEE articles and the likes, the main difference between CEE and regular good old fashion Creatine mono is that it has a better absorbtion because of an added acohol and acid molecule onto its structure, it allows easier transport through the gut and muscle membranes, wich means less is needed to ensure maximum absorbtion, and you dont need to depend on the carb induced insulin spike to absorb as with regular creatine, where Creatine mono has to be taken into the muscles relying on insulin spikes that open pathways in cells that allow it to pass in,

I hope that helps slightly, im not scientist, but it should be vaguely interesting at least

[OxygeniX]

this stuff actually is somewhat unique. its not just another salt of creatine

its solubility is excellent, it is stable to acid, and its absorption from the gut is extremely quick and efficient

now whether this translates into more results in the gym has yet to be established


I would doubt it would have any benefit at all in fact I think it would work less efficiently than creatine monohydrate given most of the creatine transporters are located in the small intestine.

Remember CEE degrades by about 30% at neutral pH and the small intestine is about pH 6-6.5 (a site of neutral and alkaline glicoproteins and bicarbonate ions secretion) its enhanced solubility is a pointless an ineffective exchange i.e. "Increased solubility for reduced pH liability at the site of absorption". Given the huge conversion any enhancement of solubility is never going to add up to the loss of creatine during digestion of CEE.

Other issues include "DONT MIX CEE WITH WATER"...pH 7.0

For those whom keep saying there is no evidence see "Mold, J.D., et al., "Creatine ethyl ester", J. Amer. Chem. Soc. 77: 178-180 (1955)" this and 3 other papers regarding the chemical characteristics are available online for free...

The take home CEE a big waste of money...

Regards DOCT

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

I would doubt it would have any benefit at all in fact I think it would work less efficiently than creatine monohydrate given most of the creatine transporters are located in the small intestine.

Remember CEE degrades by about 30% at neutral pH and the small intestine is about pH 6-6.5 (a site of neutral and alkaline glicoproteins and bicarbonate ions secretion) its enhanced solubility is a pointless an ineffective exchange i.e. "Increased solubility for reduced pH liability at the site of absorption". Given the huge conversion any enhancement of solubility is never going to add up to the loss of creatine during digestion of CEE.

Other issues include "DONT MIX CEE WITH WATER"...pH 7.0

For those whom keep saying there is no evidence see "Mold, J.D., et al., "Creatine ethyl ester", J. Amer. Chem. Soc. 77: 178-180 (1955)" this and 3 other papers regarding the chemical characteristics are available online for free...

The take home CEE a big waste of money...

Regards DOCT


So go with CEE over mono. :confused:...;)

Nice explanation. :)

[ksa-muscle]

But from the claims being made its only benefit is a lower creatinine conversion rate. In which case it is a total waste. Because studies demonstrate that with acute creatine ingestion you get a 13% rise in serum creatinine and a 50-fold rise in serum creatine.

i've been using creatine creapure for 2moths now and i still low in creatinine

but high in urea = due to high protien diet

my test results

urea 66 mg/dl kinda high

creatinine .72mg/dl normal

so my Q is how 2 lower the urea #s

[OxygeniX]

i've been using creatine creapure for 2moths now and i still low in creatinine

but high in urea = due to high protien diet

my test results

urea 66 mg/dl kinda high

creatinine .72mg/dl normal

so my Q is how 2 lower the urea #s


Urea is just a consequence of adenine nucleotide breakdown for example during high intensity exercise. In athletes it probably affords about 50% of plasma antioxidant capacity so I would not want to supress it in an exercising situation. However, consistantly high levels can lead to gout...

I am not sure what you are asking here?

[smh31]

I believe Creatine Titrate, Gluconate, and Magnesium Chelate are the best forms available but a thing to note is that people take 10g Monohydrate and 6g CEE and rate it the same. It is not the same at all. You are getting a higher dose, therefore possibly better results. Many people laugh at a 3-6g dose of Monohydrate and take large amounts.

ThermoLife was one of the first companies to bring out Creatine Ethyl Ester and the first feedback recieved was excellent, and it only contains a 4 gram dose.

[OxygeniX]

I believe Creatine Titrate, Gluconate, and Magnesium Chelate are the best forms available but a thing to note is that people take 10g Monohydrate and 6g CEE and rate it the same. It is not the same at all. You are getting a higher dose, therefore possibly better results. Many people laugh at a 3-6g dose of Monohydrate and take large amounts.

ThermoLife was one of the first companies to bring out Creatine Ethyl Ester and the first feedback recieved was excellent, and it only contains a 4 gram dose.

I am not interested in peoples feelings I am not a psychologist but a nutritional biochemist and the evidence says it not the same. When liquid creatine came out the feeback was like CEE yet there was not creatine in. Every user was adamaent because they where sucked in by the advertisement. It will be the same with CEE...

The fact are the facts which ever way you cut it!

[3XD]

Ok... I just purchased 100grams of CEE from a bulk supplier, and here's my take on this product:

1.The price is awesome, but the taste is incredibly horrible

2. I was under the impression that with CEE I would have to "load" up so for three days I loaded up not realizing that it was not neccessary.

3. My first workout was today (Wednesday) after (4) days off. I noticed less fatigue and my pump was was GREAT! and lasted for a while after my workout. I have been taking only bulk BCAA powder along with my protein shake, green tea and No Doz caffein caplets as my WO stack. I just add extra Luecine powder and CEE to this stack as I am on a Ketogenic diet and need to retain as much muscle and strength as possile.... aside from the awful taste I give CEE a big thumbs up and know I will keep using this supp. in the future....Thanks guys/gals.

[s10.jlanzer]

CEE is in my opinion the best one out there...I have used CM but just gotten some average results. I have used a few CEE products and all have given me some pretty impressive gains of both strength and size

[OxygeniX]

Ok... I just purchased 100grams of CEE from a bulk supplier, and here's my take on this product:

1.The price is awesome, but the taste is incredibly horrible

2. I was under the impression that with CEE I would have to "load" up so for three days I loaded up not realizing that it was not neccessary.

3. My first workout was today (Wednesday) after (4) days off. I noticed less fatigue and my pump was was GREAT! and lasted for a while after my workout. I have been taking only bulk BCAA powder along with my protein shake, green tea and No Doz caffein caplets as my WO stack. I just add extra Luecine powder and CEE to this stack as I am on a Ketogenic diet and need to retain as much muscle and strength as possile.... aside from the awful taste I give CEE a big thumbs up and know I will keep using this supp. in the future....Thanks guys/gals.

like I said your probably getting about 2.5grams of creatine per serving at a stretch 3 so you will still get the mono effects if you load...so yep you will get some effects....

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like I said your probably getting about 2.5grams of creatine per serving at a stretch 3 so you will still get the mono effects if you load...so yep you will get some effects....