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DieselWeasel
07-03-2005, 11:57 AM
Word to the big bird. :cool:

I concur with those sentiments.

AJ010
07-03-2005, 11:59 AM
I concur with those sentiments.

That's just the way the cookie crumbles with you.

Porky
07-03-2005, 12:35 PM
That's just the way the cookie crumbles with you.

my shoelaces are brown

JackBags
07-03-2005, 09:25 PM
Ya'll should start a knitting club you talk so much.

AJ010
07-03-2005, 09:28 PM
Ya'll should start a knitting club you talk so much.

You should join us!

BRADP2
07-04-2005, 11:37 AM
I call secretary

DieselWeasel
07-04-2005, 08:30 PM
07/04/05 - Bending

I tried to get the 5.0" blue bend on video, but it took way too long.

FBBC 3/16" Round
7.0" - 1
6.0" - 1


IM Blue Nail
5.0" - 1

- The 5.0" blue nail has 338lbs of yield strength.

patrickg
07-04-2005, 08:50 PM
great job on the 5inch blue. Some of my max bends take way to long to put on video to. I have took up to 2 1/2 hours on a max bend before. You should be ready for the grade 5s now. Keep it up

DieselWeasel
07-04-2005, 09:01 PM
great job on the 5inch blue. Some of my max bends take way to long to put on video to. I have took up to 2 1/2 hours on a max bend before. You should be ready for the grade 5s now. Keep it up

Thanks.

I don't know if I'm ready yet for the Grade 5 bolt. However, I will definitely do at least one volume session with 60d nails after they arrive in the mail from Oldtime. Perhaps I will attempt a g5 after that. I don't know yet.

Porky
07-04-2005, 10:40 PM
nice bend diesel.

i dunno how u guys take so long :) if i dont get it within 0-2 minutes it usually doesnt happen.

get that g5 done alrdy pimpster :)

DieselWeasel
07-04-2005, 11:59 PM
nice bend diesel.

i dunno how u guys take so long :) if i dont get it within 0-2 minutes it usually doesnt happen.

get that g5 done alrdy pimpster :)

That G5 is going to get it soon. :D

gripguru316
07-07-2005, 09:53 AM
This is hilarious...

http://rapidshare.de/files/2862766/dieselw..._video.wmv.html

please continue to post your pathetic bench

DieselWeasel
07-07-2005, 10:22 AM
07/05/05 - Legs

Squat
135x3
235x20 (+3 reps)


Zercher Deadlift
4th Pin:
135x1
240x1
345x1 (+5lbs)


Barbell Calf Raise
135x8
235x8
335x8 (+5lbs)


07/06/05 - Push

Dip
BWx6
BW+55x5
BW+115x4 (+0.5 rep)


Floor Press
135x4
185x1
215x1
240x1 (+5lbs)
245x0


Viking Press
90x3
180x1
225x1
260x1 (+5lbs)
270x0

BRADP2
07-07-2005, 10:24 AM
I need to figure out how to do viking press.....You do it on a machine right? Is there a free weight version?

DieselWeasel
07-07-2005, 10:24 AM
This is hilarious...

http://rapidshare.de/files/2862766/dieselw..._video.wmv.html

please continue to post your pathetic bench

Good job, moron. That link doesn't work.

BRADP2: I do the viking press on a plated-loaded squat machine. There is no way to mimick the exercise with free weights. The closest thing that you could do would be a barbell push press.

AJ010
07-07-2005, 10:59 AM
Great PRs dude.

DieselWeasel
07-07-2005, 11:07 AM
Great PRs dude.

Thanks, bro. :)

gripguru316
07-07-2005, 12:45 PM
I know its difficult for a dumb**** like you to figure out, so I am going to help you. Click the link, then scroll to the bottom and select the free download option. I certainly hope you can figure it out from there.

DieselWeasel
07-07-2005, 05:32 PM
I know its difficult for a dumb**** like you to figure out, so I am going to help you. Click the link, then scroll to the bottom and select the free download option. I certainly hope you can figure it out from there.

I did that the first time, you retard. The hyperlink is fuxored; try it yourself. Go away until you get a clue.

Trolls are not cool. Be gone.

EDIT: FYI, here is the error message:
File /files/2862766/dieselw..._video.wmv.html not found.

I-hate-Squats
07-07-2005, 06:19 PM
07/05/05 - Legs

Squat
135x3
235x20 (+3 reps)


Zercher Deadlift
4th Pin:
135x1
240x1
345x1 (+5lbs)


Barbell Calf Raise
135x8
235x8
335x8 (+5lbs)


07/06/05 - Push

Dip
BWx6
BW+55x5
BW+115x4 (+0.5 rep)


Floor Press
135x4
185x1
215x1
240x1 (+5lbs)
245x0


Viking Press
90x3
180x1
225x1
260x1 (+5lbs)
270x0

good liftin weasel, i like those squats (even tho i hate em lol)


I-hate-squats aka I-love-Muscle

DieselWeasel
07-07-2005, 06:41 PM
good liftin weasel, i like those squats (even tho i hate em lol)


I-hate-squats aka I-love-Muscle

Thanks. Yeah, squats are brutal.

DieselWeasel
07-07-2005, 07:31 PM
07/07/05 - Pull

Deadlift
135x6
225x4
315x2
375x1
435x2 (+5lbs)


Chin-Up
BWx5
BW+45x4
BW+95x3 (+2.5lbs)


Hammer Curl
35s x 6
55s x 5
75s x 5 (+5lbs)

- Check out the included deadlift and hammer curl pics.

KevinStarke
07-08-2005, 07:59 AM
Awesome deadlift man, making great progress. Gotta blast that bench though man!

DieselWeasel
07-08-2005, 11:18 AM
Awesome deadlift man, making great progress. Gotta blast that bench though man!

Thanks. Yeah, I don't like asking random people for a spot when I bench though. My training partner should be there to spot me soon.

KevinStarke
07-08-2005, 03:33 PM
Oh yah thats always a bitch, i just feel more comfortable benching heavy when i have a spotter i know so i feel for ya.

DieselWeasel
07-08-2005, 04:32 PM
Oh yah thats always a bitch, i just feel more comfortable benching heavy when i have a spotter i know so i feel for ya.

Yeah, same here.

BRADP2
07-08-2005, 04:42 PM
Oh yah thats always a bitch, i just feel more comfortable benching heavy when i have a spotter i know so i feel for ya.
Im the other way around, I dont like spotters unless it's someone who knows you, otherwise I always seem to get a ****ty spot, which is why I do all my lifts in the rack or on the smith.

P0W3RLIFT3R87
07-08-2005, 04:43 PM
Nice workout. Good job with all the PRs, especially repping your old max on the deadlift.

KevinStarke
07-08-2005, 05:27 PM
I just pick out the most seasoned looking lifter and give them specific instruction.

DieselWeasel
07-08-2005, 06:12 PM
Nice workout. Good job with all the PRs, especially repping your old max on the deadlift.

Thanks, but 435 was a new max for me. I never used that weight before yesterday.

AJ010
07-08-2005, 07:26 PM
Strong stuff!

440x2 next?

DieselWeasel
07-08-2005, 07:52 PM
Strong stuff!

440x2 next?

You got it! :)

I-hate-Squats
07-08-2005, 09:32 PM
07/07/05 - Pull

Deadlift
135x6
225x4
315x2
375x1
435x2 (+5lbs)


Chin-Up
BWx5
BW+45x4
BW+95x3 (+2.5lbs)


Hammer Curl
35s x 6
55s x 5
75s x 5 (+5lbs)

- Check out the included deadlift and hammer curl pics.

nice deadlift man, i'm likin the hammer curls too

J-unit
07-09-2005, 12:57 AM
We want videos.

DieselWeasel
07-09-2005, 11:23 AM
I-hate-Squats: Thanks.


07/08/05 - Bending

I tried to get the G5 bend on video, but again, it took way too long.

FBBC 3/16" Round
7.0" - 1
6.0" - 1


Grade 5 bolt
6.0" - 1

- The 6" Grade 5 bolt has ~345lbs of yield strength.

AJ010
07-09-2005, 11:31 AM
Sweet bending bro!

When do you think you'll be at ~400?

DieselWeasel
07-09-2005, 11:45 AM
Sweet bending bro!

When do you think you'll be at ~400?

Thanks.

That's beyond the strength of a red nail which is 383. I would like to bend a red before the end of the year.

GmoneyJakee
07-09-2005, 12:54 PM
nice bending btw but yea dude did anyone ever tell u that u look like wolverine from X-men lol i dunno it must be your beard or somethin

DieselWeasel
07-09-2005, 01:03 PM
nice bending btw but yea dude did anyone ever tell u that u look like wolverine from X-men lol i dunno it must be your beard or somethin

SNIKT! :D

P0W3RLIFT3R87
07-09-2005, 05:12 PM
Thanks, but 435 was a new max for me. I never used that weight before yesterday.
Oops, I think it was 425 then maybe. That's even better then. Getting a new max and a double with it.

DieselWeasel
07-09-2005, 10:54 PM
Oops, I think it was 425 then maybe. That's even better then. Getting a new max and a double with it.

Thanks. :)

DieselWeasel
07-10-2005, 02:54 PM
Here is a new mirror pic:

KevinStarke
07-10-2005, 02:56 PM
Lookin good man, we have pretty similar builds

DieselWeasel
07-10-2005, 03:02 PM
Lookin good man, we have pretty similar builds

Thanks.

Yeah, same relative height and weight too.

BRADP3
07-10-2005, 03:04 PM
Diesel, you got some massive chops

DieselWeasel
07-10-2005, 03:07 PM
Diesel, you got some massive chops

Thanks, I think... :D

BRADP3
07-10-2005, 03:08 PM
Grow the chinstrap

DieselWeasel
07-10-2005, 03:09 PM
Grow the chinstrap

Nah, I'm trying to grow a Logan. :)

BRADP3
07-10-2005, 03:11 PM
Nah, I'm trying to grow a Logan. :)
Chinstrap would be better, then thin it out, youd be one good looking man

DieselWeasel
07-10-2005, 03:14 PM
Chinstrap would be better, then thin it out, youd be one good looking man

I'm already a good looking man. There's no doubt about that. :D

waitlifter82
07-10-2005, 08:04 PM
Here is a new mirror pic:

shave

I-hate-Squats
07-10-2005, 08:16 PM
shave
why? cause u cant grow a good beird? its called MANHOOD :)

Porky
07-10-2005, 08:41 PM
**** chin straps, and all that

grow some ****in mutton chops

DieselWeasel
07-10-2005, 09:12 PM
You guys are crazy. :D


I did some tearing about an hour ago and it sucked because my left wrist and forearm started hurting me during the big tear attempt and I did not do well at all:

550 pages - 1
850 pages - 1
1400 pages - 0
1350 pages - 0 <= I thought I had a chance at this after I failed with 1400, but I was wrong.

I definitely did not give my lower arms enough time to recover from the last bending day and the pain carried over into this tearing session. From now on, I need to wait at least four days between bending to bending, bending to tearing, etc.

I-hate-Squats
07-10-2005, 09:43 PM
You guys are crazy. :D


I did some tearing about an hour ago and it sucked because my left wrist and forearm started hurting me during the big tear attempt and I did not do well at all:

550 pages - 1
850 pages - 1
1400 pages - 0
1350 pages - 0 <= I thought I had a chance at this after I failed with 1400, but I was wrong.

I definitely did not give my lower arms enough time to recover from the last bending day and the pain carried over into this tearing session. From now on, I need to wait at least four days between bending to bending, bending to tearing, etc.
goddamn boy, 850 pages...nice

DieselWeasel
07-10-2005, 10:00 PM
goddamn boy, 850 pages...nice

Thanks, but that should've been easy beanz. I actually had a little trouble with it because of the wrist/forearm pain. It's 450 pages less than my last PR! :o

DieselWeasel
07-11-2005, 08:46 PM
07/11/05 - Strongman

Farmer's Walk
95lbs per hand - 50 feet
190lbs per hand - 52 feet (+15lbs per hand)
video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_farmer_190

BRADP3
07-11-2005, 09:09 PM
07/11/05 - Strongman

Farmer's Walk
95lbs per hand - 50 feet
190lbs per hand - 52 feet (+15lbs per hand)
video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_farmer_190
Your neighbor must think.....What the **** is that bearded man doing.

DieselWeasel
07-11-2005, 09:14 PM
Your neighbor must think.....What the **** is that bearded man doing.

They're probably staring in dismay from inside their houses. :D

BTW, here's a screenshot from the vid:

DieselWeasel
07-12-2005, 07:49 PM
07/12/05 - Legs

20-Rep Squat
135x3
240x17 (+5lbs)


Zercher Deadlift
4th Pin:
135x1
245x1
350x1 (+5lbs)
video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_zercher_350


Seated Calf Raise
20x6
50x6
90x6
140x6

- I have not done this exercise since January, I think.

AJ010
07-12-2005, 07:52 PM
Sweet as hell partial zercher dude!

DieselWeasel
07-12-2005, 07:55 PM
Sweet as hell partial zercher dude!

Thanks, I might lower the barbell to the 3rd pin, next time. I don't know yet.

Porky
07-12-2005, 07:59 PM
jeepers creepers where'd you get those peepers :D

lovin dem evil eyes

nice 3 pr's sir

DieselWeasel
07-12-2005, 08:02 PM
jeepers creepers where'd you get those peepers :D

lovin dem evil eyes

nice 3 pr's sir

The eyes reveal a person's soul. :)

BRADP3
07-12-2005, 10:57 PM
Nice Diesel, nice, i still havent done any zerchers, they cant fit in my routine right now. Leave for OSUT in a month, so kinda training more for that. Maybe a little more than a month, settling some woman issues right now....

DieselWeasel
07-13-2005, 12:41 AM
Nice Diesel, nice, i still havent done any zerchers, they cant fit in my routine right now. Leave for OSUT in a month, so kinda training more for that. Maybe a little more than a month, settling some woman issues right now....

Oh, you're going to be a tanker, eh?

BRADP3
07-13-2005, 07:38 AM
Oh, you're going to be a tanker, eh?
The good ol' kilo, I dont think so, unless you would suggest it, Ill take another look at it. Ive basically decided 11 Bravo

waitlifter82
07-13-2005, 08:16 AM
Nice..... do you have a sumo stance when doing the zerchers??? hard to tell in the vid

runjumpthrow
07-13-2005, 10:55 AM
The good ol' kilo, I dont think so, unless you would suggest it, Ill take another look at it. Ive basically decided 11 Bravo
I was a 19D (Cavalry Scout). We used to called 11Bs "speed bumps" and "bullet catchers".

Just some combat-arms humor! :)

runjumpthrow
07-13-2005, 10:57 AM
Thanks, I might lower the barbell to the 3rd pin, next time. I don't know yet.

Diesel -

Do you do the zerchers with a board to support the weight or do you just suck it up? I tried them about a month ago and had a hard time with the pressure on my arms.

Glen Buechlin (sp?) has a new article over at Elite FTS. He has some interesting comments about zerchers.

DieselWeasel
07-13-2005, 11:00 AM
The good ol' kilo, I dont think so, unless you would suggest it, Ill take another look at it. Ive basically decided 11 Bravo

Oh, OSUT (One Station Unit Training) is what they call 19K basic training.

waitlifter82: Yeah, my legs are really wide when I do the zercher deadlift. It's supposed to really hit the hamstrings like that.

runjumpthrow: I do the zercher deadlift with just the bar on the pins, that's all. I'll check out that article. Thanks.

BRADP3
07-13-2005, 11:17 AM
Yeah, a few things do OSUT, 19K and 11B, and Im sure there are more, 11C.....

BRADP3
07-13-2005, 11:18 AM
I was a 19D (Cavalry Scout). We used to called 11Bs "speed bumps" and "bullet catchers".

Just some combat-arms humor! :)
You cant catch a bullet.....

DieselWeasel
07-13-2005, 11:22 AM
runjumpthrow: I found the article that you mentioned. It says that the zercher squat isn't worth doing. I never did that exercise, only the zercher deadlift.

AJ010
07-13-2005, 11:28 AM
runjumpthrow: I found the article that you mentioned. It says that the zercher squat isn't worth doing. I never did that exercise, only the zercher deadlift.

I can look at this from two different angles:

1) You are doing a zercher squat because you are only starting from knees/thighs in that zercher

2) You are doing a partial zercher DEADlift, because the lift is starting as dead weight


Interpret it however you want though.

DieselWeasel
07-13-2005, 11:34 AM
I can look at this from two different angles:

1) You are doing a zercher squat because you are only starting from knees/thighs in that zercher

2) You are doing a partial zercher DEADlift, because the lift is starting as dead weight


Interpret it however you want though.

Here's the solution: I will start the lift from the 3rd pin (one lower), next time.

Thanks for the analysis. :)

I-love-muscle
07-13-2005, 11:19 PM
07/12/05 - Legs

20-Rep Squat
135x3
240x17 (+5lbs)


Zercher Deadlift
4th Pin:
135x1
245x1
350x1 (+5lbs)
video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_zercher_350


Seated Calf Raise
20x6
50x6
90x6
140x6

- I have not done this exercise since January, I think.

very good, i like the zercher deadlift video, plus at the end ofthe video when the screen stops, ur face looks super scary lol..like a...murderer or something......are u a criminal? lol jk ;)

gripguru316
07-14-2005, 06:34 AM
http://rapidshare.de/files/2862766/dieselw..._video.wmv.html

It should work now.

BRADP3
07-14-2005, 07:37 AM
Diesel steals jewish babies and eat them......

DieselWeasel
07-14-2005, 06:43 PM
Guys, I become intense before and during a lift and that intensity carries over slightly after I finish the set. I'm -not- a murderer. :D

gripbitch: That lame-ass tribute video -still- doesn't work. You really are a bright one, aren't you?

BPP
07-14-2005, 06:51 PM
runjumpthrow: I found the article that you mentioned. It says that the zercher squat isn't worth doing. I never did that exercise, only the zercher deadlift.

lol
what you did was a high zercher squat

zercher deadlifts come from the floor not the rack

BPP
07-14-2005, 06:52 PM
Diesel -

Do you do the zerchers with a board to support the weight or do you just suck it up? I tried them about a month ago and had a hard time with the pressure on my arms.

Glen Buechlin (sp?) has a new article over at Elite FTS. He has some interesting comments about zerchers.


yiou get used to that...at first 135lbs hurts

but training for conans wheel ive had over 800 in a zercher lockout/hold in the crook of my arsm like that with no pain

DieselWeasel
07-14-2005, 08:18 PM
07/13/05 - Push

Dip
BWx6
BW+55x6
BW+115x4
video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_dip_115


Floor Press
135x3
185x1
215x1
245x0

- I was not able to do the viking press because the weight room was closing when I was beginning that exercise.


07/14/05 - Pull

Deadlift
135x6
225x4
315x2
380x1
440x2 (+5lbs)
video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_deadlift_440x2


Chin-Up
BWx6
BW+45x5
BW+95x4 (+1 rep)
video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_chin_95x4


Hammer Curl
35s x 6
55s x 6
75s x 6 (+1 rep)

- Check out the included deadlift and chin-up pics.

KevinStarke
07-14-2005, 08:35 PM
The chin up movie was removed or something. I'll get a video of me doing weighted pullups i did bw + 100 for 2 and bw +110 for 1 the other day didnt realize anyone else did weighted pullups much.

The dips looked a little sloppy and you didnt go down very far but thats still great with all that weight.

As for the deadlift thats a whole lot of hitching man, props for fighting it and getting it up though just be carefull man. Great workout!

DieselWeasel
07-14-2005, 08:54 PM
The chin up movie was removed or something. I'll get a video of me doing weighted pullups i did bw + 100 for 2 and bw +110 for 1 the other day didnt realize anyone else did weighted pullups much.

The dips looked a little sloppy and you didnt go down very far but thats still great with all that weight.

As for the deadlift thats a whole lot of hitching man, props for fighting it and getting it up though just be carefull man. Great workout!

I was having technical problems with getting the chin video uploaded. Try it again.

I went down low enough for every dip rep; I just didn't lock out two of them at the top.

In the deadlift vid, the first rep was definitely smoother than the second rep, no?

KevinStarke
07-14-2005, 08:58 PM
Chinup video still didnt work. I agree the first DL rep was pretty solid but the second one looked like it would murder your lower back with the hitching. Is proper dip depth 90 degrees? if so i'll have to see what i can do at 90 with weight.

DieselWeasel
07-14-2005, 09:07 PM
Chinup video still didnt work. I agree the first DL rep was pretty solid but the second one looked like it would murder your lower back with the hitching. Is proper dip depth 90 degrees? if so i'll have to see what i can do at 90 with weight.

OK, the chin vid -definitely- works now! :)

Yes, you should not go lower than 90 degrees when you dip. That is what I always read/heard.

KevinStarke
07-14-2005, 09:18 PM
You only went up half way on those chinups man

DieselWeasel
07-14-2005, 09:36 PM
You only went up half way on those chinups man

My chin reached the same height as the chin-up bar except for the last (4th) rep.

BRADP3
07-14-2005, 09:40 PM
OK, the chin vid -definitely- works now! :)

Yes, you should not go lower than 90 degrees when you dip. That is what I always read/heard.
How I ****ed up my sternum, would go super deep with about 100 lbs....bad idea

KevinStarke
07-14-2005, 09:41 PM
The first one looks good and second is alright but the 3rd and 4th dont quite get there, you should do it with a wider over hand grip its harder and more impressive.

J-unit
07-15-2005, 03:55 AM
This is a joke right? What happened to the perfect form you tried to get?

Danimal
07-15-2005, 06:28 AM
Here's how a weighted chin should look, just so you know for next time. Your chin has to go above the bar, not even with it or below it.

http://s28.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1UK15W2MZNKSB2Y2V3CYHHLOXM

BRADP3
07-15-2005, 07:12 AM
Here's how a weighted chin should look, just so you know for next time. Your chin has to go above the bar, not even with it or below it.

http://s28.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1UK15W2MZNKSB2Y2V3CYHHLOXM
Didnt work, just saw some fireworks...

Danimal
07-15-2005, 10:05 AM
Didnt work, just saw some fireworks...
You don't have the right plug in for avi files on windows media player then.

BRADP3
07-15-2005, 10:07 AM
You don't have the right plug in for avi files on windows media player then.
Darn, I want that right!!

DieselWeasel
07-15-2005, 10:19 AM
Here's how a weighted chin should look, just so you know for next time. Your chin has to go above the bar, not even with it or below it.

http://s28.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1UK15W2MZNKSB2Y2V3CYHHLOXM

I already knew how to do a weighed chin-up before your post. If you neglected to see the chin screenshot that clearly shows my chin above the bar, here it is again:

Danimal
07-15-2005, 10:28 AM
I already knew how to do a weighed chin-up before your post. If you neglected to see the chin screenshot that clearly shows my chin above the bar, here it is again:

Too bad you don't have a longer neck, it would have been easier to stretch it over the bar.

That one was the 1st rep? The one where you jumped to start the set? Even if you call that a good rep, your chin wasn't close to the bar on the rest. Take off the rose colored glasses and learn how to do this stuff right. The deadlifts, dips and chins were ugly, only because you refuse to use a weight that you can handle with good form. But you've heard that on every forum imaginable, so I wouldn't expect you to care this time either.

DieselWeasel
07-15-2005, 10:32 AM
Too bad you don't have a longer neck, it would have been easier to stretch it over the bar.

That one was the 1st rep? The one where you jumped to start the set? Even if you call that a good rep, your chin wasn't close to the bar on the rest. Take off the rose colored glasses and learn how to do this stuff right. The deadlifts, dips and chins were ugly, only because you refuse to use a weight that you can handle with good form. But you've heard that on every forum imaginable, so I wouldn't expect you to care this time either.

No, you're right. I suck :rolleyes:

Thanks for all of the helpful advice. Go away now.

Danimal
07-15-2005, 10:58 AM
No, you're right. I suck :rolleyes:

Thanks for all of the helpful advice. Go away now.

Sorry man, but I, along with many others, have given you plenty of advice that you choose to ignore. You only want to hear the attaboys and not the realities. Right now, you suck, and you'll continue to suck until you start to listen.

DieselWeasel
07-15-2005, 11:12 AM
Sorry man, but I, along with many others, have given you plenty of advice that you choose to ignore. You only want to hear the attaboys and not the realities. Right now, you suck, and you'll continue to suck until you start to listen.

What didn't you understand? Was it "go" or "away" ?

PainThriller
07-15-2005, 11:57 AM
07/13/05 - Push

Dip
BWx6
BW+55x6
BW+115x4
video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_dip_115


Floor Press
135x3
185x1
215x1
245x0

- I was not able to do the viking press because the weight room was closing when I was beginning that exercise.


07/14/05 - Pull

Deadlift
135x6
225x4
315x2
380x1
440x2 (+5lbs)
video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_deadlift_440x2


Chin-Up
BWx6
BW+45x5
BW+95x4 (+1 rep)
video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_chin_95x4


Hammer Curl
35s x 6
55s x 6
75s x 6 (+1 rep)

- Check out the included deadlift and chin-up pics.


BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHHAH AA!!!!!! I GAVE MYSELF A HEADACHE FROM LAUGHING SO HARD JUST WATCHING THOSE VIDEOS!!!!!!! Its gonna be ****ing sweet and hilarious when a disc pops out of your back, flys across the gym like a frisbee, and beams someone in the head.

BRADP3
07-15-2005, 01:06 PM
BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHHAH AA!!!!!! I GAVE MYSELF A HEADACHE FROM LAUGHING SO HARD JUST WATCHING THOSE VIDEOS!!!!!!! Its gonna be ****ing sweet and hilarious when a disc pops out of your back, flys across the gym like a frisbee, and beams someone in the head.
Dude, that wouldnt happen. They're not aerodynamic enough.

Everyone remember BBPs post, anymore flaming in this journal will lead to a ban All criticism should be constructive. Just looking out for everyone :D

ChuckTaylor
07-15-2005, 03:20 PM
You need to clean up your form on that "deadlift". Aside from that
very entertaining.

Chuck

Five
07-15-2005, 04:34 PM
Well at least you managed to invent some new exercises, I prefer deadlifts dips and chins myself, but whatever.

DieselWeasel
07-15-2005, 05:08 PM
07/15/05 - Bending

OK, today sucked. :mad:

FBBC 3/16" Round
7.0" - 1
6.0" - 1


60d Nail
a slight wobble in 1 of them :mad:


- I now know that the pull session from yesterday probably affected me today. Here is the solution: I will bend once per week, only on Mondays. This should give me enough time to recover from lifting on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. This does not apply to next Monday which is only three days from today; I will do sledge levering and plate curls to work on wrist strength because it will be too soon to bend again, this coming Monday.

BRADP3
07-15-2005, 07:43 PM
I would comment, but I just dont understand whats going on when it comes to bending. I dont know whats a good bend. So.....yeah diesel not your best day :D

ArmySloth
07-15-2005, 08:37 PM
07/13/05 - Push

Dip
BWx6
BW+55x6
BW+115x4
video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_dip_115


Floor Press
135x3
185x1
215x1
245x0

- I was not able to do the viking press because the weight room was closing when I was beginning that exercise.


07/14/05 - Pull

Deadlift
135x6
225x4
315x2
380x1
440x2 (+5lbs)
video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_deadlift_440x2


Chin-Up
BWx6
BW+45x5
BW+95x4 (+1 rep)
video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_chin_95x4


Hammer Curl
35s x 6
55s x 6
75s x 6 (+1 rep)

- Check out the included deadlift and chin-up pics.
Kinda beating the horse here DW but I agree with the chinups your first was was pretty good but you didn't lock your arms out and you gased out to early and wasn't able to do full reps, and your dl was wow! ok I though you were going to fall back words, as far as I know you are supposed to to go straight up with the weight not go into a cresent moon shape.

Those are my only nit picks and I wasn't going to be rude about it, your dips could improve too, whether you take advice at face value or not is your problem. You got to be careful when you lift you are going to be sucking later on down the road bro.

other wise good luck and have fun.

Porky
07-15-2005, 09:09 PM
07/15/05 - Bending


60d Nail
a slight wobble in 1 of them :mad:


those 60d's are tough man, specially the ones oldtime gave u.
dont worry about it

DieselWeasel
07-15-2005, 09:28 PM
those 60d's are tough man, specially the ones oldtime gave u.
dont worry about it

Yeah, but he said that a grade 5 bolt is tougher than those 60d nails. I already bent a g5 and failed with the 60d. It must be because I need more recovery time.

Porky
07-15-2005, 10:06 PM
Yeah, but he said that a grade 5 bolt is tougher than those 60d nails. I already bent a g5 and failed with the 60d. It must be because I need more recovery time.


i know that, but they are still tuff so dont worry about it :)

i havent even bent 1 yet lols

Newbtime
07-15-2005, 10:13 PM
i really dont know, some MIGHT be harder thena g5, its really hard to put a set strength on them, they tend to vary a litte.

One thing i know is my 60d's are quiet tough.

I have never realyl bent a 60d right after a g5 to compair, i wil go get som grade 5's tomarrow and tell you.

But i have bent before, rested 3 days alter and been weaker, you just need mroe time to be fully recoveryed i guess..

BRADP3
07-15-2005, 10:23 PM
Diesel, I watched your chinup vid again, a little confused, why didnt you just go as far up on the 3rd and 4th rep as 2nd and 3rd. Seemed like you had the strength to do them....

DieselWeasel
07-15-2005, 11:29 PM
Diesel, I watched your chinup vid again, a little confused, why didnt you just go as far up on the 3rd and 4th rep as 2nd and 3rd. Seemed like you had the strength to do them....

The first two reps were easy. The last two were a bitch.

blowdpanis
07-15-2005, 11:47 PM
The first two reps were easy. The last two were a bitch.

You did 0 reps of chins with that weight, and 0 reps of dips with that weight.

The only reason you even got your chin above the bar on the first partial rep was because you JUMPED into it.

I'm serious. If you can't do a rep in good form, you can't claim to have done it at all. This is like people who leg press 1000 pounds 3 inches and claim to be able to leg press 1000 lbs.

Let me re-iterate this point: you're not even capable of one good rep in chins with that weight, I'd wager. And if you are, MAYBE one. I defy you to demonstrate otherwise, and duplicate the form I'm going to show you in a minute.

And I'm not just speaking idly. I like weighted chins too. Compare your form to strict form in chins, which is going from full hang (no contribution from SSC) to clavicle (which you can do, unlike overhand, because you are in a decent mechanical position at top), back to full hang for each rep:

http://s28.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1UK15W2MZNKSB2Y2V3CYHHLOXM

To drive home the point about starting from a dead hang:

http://s28.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2ZHGBNNJM08VN36ZTNE0ES9OZI

People, that's how you do a chinup. What DW did is a mockery of a chinup. Same deal for dips - you're doing MAYBE 1/3 of a rep, if that.

I don't get you DW - why do you use such unbelievably ****ty form in everything? What are you trying to accomplish, a flattering of your own ego?

DieselWeasel
07-16-2005, 01:48 AM
blowdpanis (WTF kind of name is that anyway?), we couldn't see whether your feet were touching the ground or not when you started each set in both videos. You need to pull that camera back a few more feet.

Don't worry. I'll keep posting more videos, including dips and chins, regardless of whether you like them or not.

ChuckTaylor
07-16-2005, 02:03 AM
You did 0 reps of chins with that weight, and 0 reps of dips with that weight.

The only reason you even got your chin above the bar on the first partial rep was because you JUMPED into it.

I'm serious. If you can't do a rep in good form, you can't claim to have done it at all. This is like people who leg press 1000 pounds 3 inches and claim to be able to leg press 1000 lbs.

Let me re-iterate this point: you're not even capable of one good rep in chins with that weight, I'd wager. And if you are, MAYBE one. I defy you to demonstrate otherwise, and duplicate the form I'm going to show you in a minute.

And I'm not just speaking idly. I like weighted chins too. Compare your form to strict form in chins, which is going from full hang (no contribution from SSC) to clavicle (which you can do, unlike overhand, because you are in a decent mechanical position at top), back to full hang for each rep:

http://s28.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1UK15W2MZNKSB2Y2V3CYHHLOXM

To drive home the point about starting from a dead hang:

http://s28.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2ZHGBNNJM08VN36ZTNE0ES9OZI

People, that's how you do a chinup. What DW did is a mockery of a chinup. Same deal for dips - you're doing MAYBE 1/3 of a rep, if that.

I don't get you DW - why do you use such unbelievably ****ty form in everything? What are you trying to accomplish, a flattering of your own ego?

Excellent form.

BPP
07-16-2005, 02:10 AM
few things:

dip video: partial reps, need to go lower...also 2 of those reps you never even locked out, you put feet down first...so if those are coutnign as full reps for you, which they shouldn't, you did 2

deads: again, you need to be doing more rack pulls and not heavy deads every week...good back or not, REGARDLESS OF FORM, you WILL overtrain your lower back, I 100% guarantee you. I was like you last year and am paying for it this year...the 2nd rep was more dangerous than anything

chin-ups: again, partial reps...the first rep was jumped the majority of the way..2nd wasnt bad, 3rd and 4th werent even close to completing the lift

"
My chin reached the same height as the chin-up bar except for the last (4th) rep." with one half jumped rep it did, 2nd questionable, last two not even close

dips arent as bad except for the 2 that you didnt go lower NOR lock-out


honestly, this is true advice...lower the weights. your lifting for ego right now again, not gains nor form. you will injure something if you continue this way...not necessarily bc of form but b/c you are going too heavy too often, and your CNS will make you pay for it.

BPP
07-16-2005, 02:12 AM
we couldn't see whether your feet were touching the ground or not when you started each set in both videos.

:rolleyes: if his feet were touching the ground he wouldn't be swaying back and forth at full extension due to a free hang

his form was textbook, honestly humble up and use it as an example

blowdpanis
07-16-2005, 02:14 AM
blowdpanis (WTF kind of name is that anyway?), we couldn't see whether your feet were touching the ground or not when you started each set in both videos. You need to pull that camera back a few more feet.

Don't worry. I'll keep posting more videos, including dips and chins, regardless of whether you like them or not.

I think you can tell by the fact that I'm being dragged straight down (and in the super strict rep, actually slightly swinging), that this is not the case. Though to be technical, even if my feet technically touched at the bottom (which they're not), that wouldn't make it much easier. But I guess you'll have to take my word for it that I'm really strong enough to actually do real reps, which you aren't.

And you can post all the videos you want, but I don't honestly understand you.

Do you understand that saying "I can do X amount of weight by Y reps" implies that, within reason, you're actually doing real reps?

I'm not sure I'd call any of what you do even half reps, and even during that process, you act like you have an epileptic seizure.

That isn't "intensity" and it isn't benefitting you at all. You'd benefit more (in terms of both strength and hypertrophy) by actually, ferreal doing reps.

Even if that cuts your working weight in half, who gives a ****? You'll never be as strong as an elite powerlifter, and you have no intention of entering a competition.

Do you lift this much weight to be able to claim (and, note, lie) that "I lift X weight by Y reps?"

You claim to lift like the old-timers, but the old-timers would be ashamed of you. Read anything that any of the golden era bodybuilders wrote, and you'll notice that one of the things they always emphasize is form and control. And yet, you persistently demonstrate neither in a single exercise you do.

For all intents and purposes, you can't lift anything you say you do. And you're simultaneously endangering yourself. But you don't care.

*shrugs*

Edit: adding, in the 115 x 2 video, you can see the fact that my feet don't touch on the second rep, and if you use a little basic inference (look at my body mechanics), it's pretty easy to tell I never did touch in any of the reps in either video.

BPP
07-16-2005, 02:23 AM
DW< i even took the time to freezeframe and make jpeg's out of the chinup vid

rep 2 is close yes, about even

rep 3 hwoever never reaches the bar

blowdpanis
07-16-2005, 02:30 AM
DW< i even took the time to freezeframe and make jpeg's out of the chinup vid

rep 2 is close yes, about even

rep 3 hwoever never reaches the bar

Imho, for chins (and lat pulldowns, if you're the bodybuffing sort), default form is full extension all the way to the point where the bar/apparatus hits collarbone area. No reason you can't do that in a chin, so that's what I'd call a full rep.

For overhand/wide grip, you're not really in a position to bring chin much above bar, so in that case full extension to chin above bar (and hold it there for a second like a man, not swing it up like a DieselWeasel) is, in my mind, a full rep.

Either way, what DW is doing is a mockery of chinups.

swollix
07-16-2005, 05:27 AM
Dee Weezy!

gripguru316
07-16-2005, 07:34 AM
bigpoppaproppy, thank you for posting that frame by frame analysis. Dieselbitch, is there any lift you can do with proper form? Stop adding so much weight and doing partial lifts. Your lifts are an absolute joke.

Boogie
07-16-2005, 07:47 AM
I somehow stumbled on this thread while searching for something completely different.

I have to say those vids he posted are hillarious. I was in tears watching that deadlift and was wondering when his back was going to implode.

ArmySloth
07-16-2005, 10:22 AM
Kinda beating the horse here DW but I agree with the chinups your first was was pretty good but you didn't lock your arms out and you gased out to early and wasn't able to do full reps, and your dl was wow! ok I though you were going to fall back words, as far as I know you are supposed to to go straight up with the weight not go into a cresent moon shape.

Those are my only nit picks and I wasn't going to be rude about it, your dips could improve too, whether you take advice at face value or not is your problem. You got to be careful when you lift you are going to be sucking later on down the road bro.

other wise good luck and have fun.

I didnt notice you jumped on your first chinup, mistake on my part.. blowdpanis, excellent videos and posts bro

DieselWeasel
07-16-2005, 10:23 AM
I didnt notice you jumped on your first chinup, mistake on my part.. blowdpanis, excellent videos and posts bro

I didn't notice that when I did the set.

ArmySloth
07-16-2005, 10:33 AM
I didn't notice that when I did the set.
that you jumped?

DieselWeasel
07-16-2005, 10:35 AM
that you jumped?

Yes. I need to do a very brief dead-hang before starting the chins, next time.

ArmySloth
07-16-2005, 10:35 AM
Yes.
kidding me dude...how did you not realize you jumped?

DieselWeasel
07-16-2005, 10:36 AM
kidding me dude...how did you not realize you jumped?

I was psyched for the set and I didn't do a brief dead-hang before doing the chins.

ArmySloth
07-16-2005, 10:37 AM
I was psyched for the set and I didn't do a brief dead-hang before doing the chins.
I gotcha

ArmySloth
07-16-2005, 10:42 AM
I get pretty physched when I lift as I'm sure others do , but if your going to do it, do it right the first time. You know what I mean?

BRADP3
07-16-2005, 10:43 AM
I do a brief deadhand before I start a set and after every rep, just to stay controlled. Sloth, what are the combat engineers function in Iraq right now??

ArmySloth
07-16-2005, 10:49 AM
I do a brief deadhand before I start a set and after every rep, just to stay controlled. Sloth, what are the combat engineers function in Iraq right now??

Depends, mostly we support infantry and armor units, Last time my unit was over there they supported 82nd airborne and several marine units. we also did several solo mission, cache searches, building clearing and stuff. All Combat Engineers are is Infantry with demo how to.

Basically an Combat Engineer is specialist in Mobility, COunter-mobility and survivablity. Their are many Engineers within the Scope of the US Army such as Topographic, Quarrying and heavy construction.

BRADP3
07-16-2005, 10:53 AM
Depends, mostly we support infantry and armor units, Last time my unit was over there they supported 82nd airborne and several marine units. we also did several solo mission, cache searches, building clearing and stuff. All Combat Engineers are is Infantry with demo how to.

Basically an Combat Engineer is specialist in Mobility, COunter-mobility and survivablity. Their are many Engineers within the Scope of the US Army such as Topographic, Quarrying and heavy construction.
Gotcha :D Thanks

ArmySloth
07-16-2005, 11:13 AM
Gotcha :D Thanks
:P

tom4212
07-16-2005, 11:35 AM
Lower the weights and work on your form before you really hurt yourself. You're young now so you can get away with some of that stuff but when you get a little older, you are going to have a lot of problems.

SoG
07-16-2005, 02:03 PM
Hi DW,

You've obviously have some strength, but as others have stated, you need to take some time to develop your form. Personally, I'd knock 25% off of what you were lifting and work on all facets of your form. We want to see you safe and not breaking anything important. I've taken some hits to my ego, knocking the weight down to concentrate more on form--it's tough but we've all experienced it. The good thing is within a month or so, you'll be lifting the same weight as you were this week, just with perfect form!

Please protect yourself! That's what we care about most!



-Dave

TNCEKM
07-16-2005, 02:26 PM
Well, kid...you've got heart :D

Here is what I think...either drop 50lbs from those deads of yours, or you gonna have a vertebrae shoot out of your back and 300mph and end up in the hospital never being able to lift again from those scary-ass hitches!

When I watch the videos I get emotionally confused...I feel like laughing, screaming, crying, and clapping my hands all at once...

Be careful there, bro...

Halfway
07-17-2005, 05:54 PM
great stuff dude, I'd really like to see more dipping vids but what I'm holding out for is either some barbell row footage or a set of those 20 rep squats..

could you make that happen?

KevinStarke
07-17-2005, 06:10 PM
Bench and Squat vids all the way.

TNCEKM
07-18-2005, 01:01 AM
great stuff dude, I'd really like to see more dipping vids but what I'm holding out for is either some barbell row footage or a set of those 20 rep squats..

could you make that happen?
Bwahahah!

You know me...(diff SN--for a reason ;))...but, it's quite intersting to see you here, on this thread :D Welcome!

And, I am going to bump the request for BB rows and 20reppers...sounds like fun to me!

mikey5ive
07-18-2005, 05:49 AM
I wanna see a clean & jerk, cos that can't be spotted, or fcuked up too badly...

m5

DieselWeasel
07-18-2005, 12:21 PM
You know me...(diff SN--for a reason ;))


What's the reason?

DieselWeasel
07-18-2005, 07:47 PM
I did some wrist work, today:

Plate Curl
5x6
10x6
25x6 (tied my last plate curl PR)
25x8 (+2 reps)

- All sets were done with the same amount of reps per arm.


Sledgehammer Levering

- I did various sets of front and rear ballistic levering and overhead levering with my 10lb sledgehammer.

TNCEKM
07-18-2005, 11:56 PM
What's the reason?
...my business...I brought it up so he didn't ask if I was "so and so" or "so and so 2", etc...that's all :)

AJ010
07-19-2005, 12:46 AM
Week 1: 300x5 +10x225x2 off platform +3x425x3 rack pulls
Week 2: 335x3 +8x250x2 off platform +3x435x3 rack pulls
Week 3: 365x3 +6x275x2 off platform +2x450x2 rack pulls
Week 4: 385x3 + 8x250x1 off platform +465x1 rack pull *compensation on r.p

That is just a sample 4 week routine that I think would suit your needs! The reasoning behind each is:

1) The lighter deadlifts will allow you to REALLY focus on form!
2) the platform speed deadlifts will require you to SIT DOWN lower! PLUS you will develop speed!
3) the rack pulls will work on your lockout a bit...you need bands though to optimally work that lockout! The biomechanics of rack pulls are a little different

DieselWeasel
07-19-2005, 10:03 AM
Week 1: 300x5 +10x225x2 off platform +3x425x3 rack pulls
Week 2: 335x3 +8x250x2 off platform +3x435x3 rack pulls
Week 3: 365x3 +6x275x2 off platform +2x450x2 rack pulls
Week 4: 385x3 + 8x250x1 off platform +465x1 rack pull *compensation on r.p

That is just a sample 4 week routine that I think would suit your needs! The reasoning behind each is:

1) The lighter deadlifts will allow you to REALLY focus on form!
2) the platform speed deadlifts will require you to SIT DOWN lower! PLUS you will develop speed!
3) the rack pulls will work on your lockout a bit...you need bands though to optimally work that lockout! The biomechanics of rack pulls are a little different

Thanks for the suggestion. If I hit a plateau with my current routine, I'll probably try that or something similar.

BPP
07-19-2005, 10:55 AM
If I hit a plateau with my current routine

it has nothing to do with a plateau, it has to do with working your weaknesses, not injuring yourself and not frying your CNS

AJ010
07-19-2005, 11:26 AM
Hey, man, I think you should stick to my plan or a similar plan starting this/next week, but its definitely up to you bro. Your choice. :)

John Hicks
07-19-2005, 07:19 PM
Hey DW,

Listen, I think your INTENSITY is the bomb! If you could bottle that **** up and sell it, you'd be a very rich man indeed!! However, after watching that DL video I haffta agree with the others - your form needs work. You know that. I just don't want to see you suffer and injury and be out of the weight game. I think you have a lot of fire inside you, but now is the time to start letting your head control your desires. DON'T be so concerned with lifting max weights and showing us and the rest of the world you can lift like the big boys - WE KNOW THAT. You are probably the strongest person I know at your bodyweight, but if you keep cashing those checks that your ego is writing, you're gonna end up broke (in more ways than one).

You know I am one of your biggest fans. Just use your head. You know what I'm talking about. Good Luck, bro... and keep lifting!!! :D

sword chucks
07-19-2005, 07:50 PM
guys hes not going to get hurt if he hasn't already.

I wanna see some more vids Deisel Dubs.

DieselWeasel
07-19-2005, 08:19 PM
Hey DW,

Listen, I think your INTENSITY is the bomb! If you could bottle that **** up and sell it, you'd be a very rich man indeed!! However, after watching that DL video I haffta agree with the others - your form needs work. You know that. I just don't want to see you suffer and injury and be out of the weight game. I think you have a lot of fire inside you, but now is the time to start letting your head control your desires. DON'T be so concerned with lifting max weights and showing us and the rest of the world you can lift like the big boys - WE KNOW THAT. You are probably the strongest person I know at your bodyweight, but if you keep cashing those checks that your ego is writing, you're gonna end up broke (in more ways than one).

You know I am one of your biggest fans. Just use your head. You know what I'm talking about. Good Luck, bro... and keep lifting!!! :D

Thanks, bro.

I always tell everyone that my deadlift form needs work, but I'm addicted to the PRs! ;)

No, seriously, you're right. It's just difficult to break the habit of doing the deadlift differently than the way that I've been doing it for so long.

sword chucks: There's a new video for you, below. :)


07/19/05 - Legs

20-Rep Squat
135x3
240x20 (+3 reps)


Zercher Deadlift
3rd Pin:
135x1
245x1
355x0
335x0
315x0
315x1 (one pin lower)
video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_zercher_315_3rdpin


Seated Calf Raise
50x8
90x8
140x8 (+2 reps)

BPP
07-19-2005, 08:32 PM
guys hes not going to get hurt if he hasn't already.
.

lol im sorry, but thats ignorant x 100

DieselWeasel
07-19-2005, 08:33 PM
lol im sorry, but thats ignorant x 100

Yeah, what is he thinking? I pinched my hands while loading plates for a previous deadlift PR! ;)

9cyclops9
07-19-2005, 08:39 PM
That Zercher was pretty rough. Lift with your legs, not your lower back. It isn't a Zercher Good Morning LOL.

You're a strong mofo, no doubt about that, but you do need to back off for a couple weeks to work on form. Take the advice everyone's been giving you for months, and avoid injury.

blackonblack346
07-19-2005, 09:27 PM
Where in NYC do you lift DW?

DieselWeasel
07-19-2005, 09:29 PM
Where in NYC do you lift DW?

I lift in Queens. Why?

BRADP3
07-19-2005, 11:15 PM
Diesel, try and keep your hips lower. Solid weight.

blackonblack346
07-20-2005, 06:59 AM
Because I want to stalk you and kill you!!!

....Just wondering what gyms are powerlifting friendly dude.

ArmySloth
07-20-2005, 07:18 AM
Because I want to stalk you and kill you!!!


lmao

DieselWeasel
07-20-2005, 09:50 AM
Because I want to stalk you and kill you!!!

....Just wondering what gyms are powerlifting friendly dude.

I lift in my college weight room, not a commercial gym.

AJ010
07-20-2005, 10:20 AM
Diesel, try and keep your hips lower. Solid weight.

Good advice.

Diesel, listen to Brad here. Good weight for sure though.

DieselWeasel
07-20-2005, 11:06 AM
Diesel, try and keep your hips lower. Solid weight.

Yeah, I need to go lower and bring the bar closer to my body.

US: Thanks.

BRADP3
07-20-2005, 11:54 AM
You seem close enough to the bar, let me watch again

BRADP3
07-20-2005, 11:55 AM
You seem close enough to the bar, let me watch again
Cant tell

Dr. Farkenstein
07-20-2005, 12:50 PM
Thanks, bro.

I always tell everyone that my deadlift form needs work, but I'm addicted to the PRs! ;)

No, seriously, you're right. It's just difficult to break the habit of doing the deadlift differently than the way that I've been doing it for so long.




Yo Dieselweasel

after reading this thread almost in its entirety, I have to bring something up (and yes, if you couldn't tell from the fact that this is my first post, I registered solely to comment here)--you cite size and strength as your two motivating factors for weightlifting. While others have cited the safety and health reasons for improving your form on your lifts, I would ask you to take a look at how your size has increased in the past several months.

From earlier (around March or so) posts here and in other forums, it doesn't appear that you have gained much in the way of mass since you have been lifting seriously--still around the 155 mark, correct? While your numbers have been going up in your lifts (deadlift, zercher, squat, etc) despite your admittedly poor form, how have these translated into muscle gains? If you are serious about gaining lean muscle mass, wouldn't the absence of gains give you pause, and make you wonder what was missing from the equation?

Perhaps it's diet that is holding you back from putting on size, but more than likely your poor form is contributing to it. So why not perform your feats of strength with good form to accomplish one of your stated objectives, increased size?

BRADP3
07-20-2005, 01:06 PM
Yo Dieselweasel

after reading this thread almost in its entirety, I have to bring something up (and yes, if you couldn't tell from the fact that this is my first post, I registered solely to comment here)--you cite size and strength as your two motivating factors for weightlifting. While others have cited the safety and health reasons for improving your form on your lifts, I would ask you to take a look at how your size has increased in the past several months.

From earlier (around March or so) posts here and in other forums, it doesn't appear that you have gained much in the way of mass since you have been lifting seriously--still around the 155 mark, correct? While your numbers have been going up in your lifts (deadlift, zercher, squat, etc) despite your admittedly poor form, how have these translated into muscle gains? If you are serious about gaining lean muscle mass, wouldn't the absence of gains give you pause, and make you wonder what was missing from the equation?

Perhaps it's diet that is holding you back from putting on size, but more than likely your poor form is contributing to it. So why not perform your feats of strength with good form to accomplish one of your stated objectives, increased size?
Good post, very good. DW has said multi[ple times he's working on form. i have no idea what his diet is like though.

Jamma
07-20-2005, 01:35 PM
Yo Dieselweasel

after reading this thread almost in its entirety, I have to bring something up (and yes, if you couldn't tell from the fact that this is my first post, I registered solely to comment here)--you cite size and strength as your two motivating factors for weightlifting. While others have cited the safety and health reasons for improving your form on your lifts, I would ask you to take a look at how your size has increased in the past several months.

From earlier (around March or so) posts here and in other forums, it doesn't appear that you have gained much in the way of mass since you have been lifting seriously--still around the 155 mark, correct? While your numbers have been going up in your lifts (deadlift, zercher, squat, etc) despite your admittedly poor form, how have these translated into muscle gains? If you are serious about gaining lean muscle mass, wouldn't the absence of gains give you pause, and make you wonder what was missing from the equation?

Perhaps it's diet that is holding you back from putting on size, but more than likely your poor form is contributing to it. So why not perform your feats of strength with good form to accomplish one of your stated objectives, increased size?

Very good post...Diesel listen and concentrate on form, this will lead to muscle gain as I've seen ppl gain muscle when working on good form.

Dr. Farkenstein
07-20-2005, 01:38 PM
That was kind of my point in reiterating the poor form issue--the post I quoted from him said he had a hard time changing his habits cause he was addicted to PRs.

Seems like he tries to hit those every week, which is not exactly the best way to go about lifting, even if you do it with perfect form.

Also, I noticed in this thread and in others, that the DieselWeasel seems to think that repeating the same weight two weeks in a row is failure or something. I respect his drive and tenacity, but that is just not the case.

BRADP3
07-20-2005, 01:44 PM
I see using the same weights/reps as the week before as failure. I think maxing out week to week is ok, as long as your maxing out of a different exercise week to week.

Dr. Farkenstein
07-20-2005, 01:57 PM
I am thinking more about if you have shaky form or difficulty mastering a set weight and reps, what could you gain by increasing the weight? Case in point would be DW's 225x2 bench press video--it was pretty obvious that he struggled mightily with that, and when someone suggested he drop the weight and increase his reps he responded back that he had already done 205x4 and the only way he would go back to that was to set a new PR with reps, which he didn't seem inclined to do.

AJ010
07-20-2005, 02:18 PM
I see using the same weights/reps as the week before as failure. I think maxing out week to week is ok, as long as your maxing out of a different exercise week to week.

Yes, this is a good point. It's one of the biggest ideas of Westside!

Diesel: I know exactly how you feel. I am just as "stubborn" that I would probably have a hard time sacrificing my weight, for better form, but I would end up just dropping it anyways. You see in my old Coan workouts, a lot of the sets aren't even max weight! And what did I gain? 60lbs to my deadlift roughly. It's not all about max weights, its about the development of different qualities.

AJ010
07-20-2005, 05:07 PM
http://asp.elitefts.com/qa/default.asp?qid=32642&tid=55

ROFLMAO. I'm sorry Diesel, I found that hilarious hahaha. We're still cool. :)

ChuckTaylor
07-20-2005, 05:20 PM
Will you lesser humans please stop trying to bring Mr Diesel down? His methods are working, his videos prove that.

And he is a little guy! And he bends the yellow nail.

But there is something wrong with this forum, it seems to be losing postings.

Newbtime
07-20-2005, 05:29 PM
Will you lesser humans please stop trying to bring Mr Diesel down? His methods are working, his videos prove that.

And he is a little guy! And he bends the yellow nail.

But there is something wrong with this forum, it seems to be losing postings.His lastest bend is a g5 about 3x as strong as a yellow.

TO the rest of you trolls, This is why i dont visit this forum alot anymore, filled with bs and morons.

Newbtime
07-20-2005, 05:34 PM
Yo Dieselweasel

after reading this thread almost in its entirety, I have to bring something up (and yes, if you couldn't tell from the fact that this is my first post, I registered solely to comment here)--you cite size and strength as your two motivating factors for weightlifting. While others have cited the safety and health reasons for improving your form on your lifts, I would ask you to take a look at how your size has increased in the past several months.

From earlier (around March or so) posts here and in other forums, it doesn't appear that you have gained much in the way of mass since you have been lifting seriously--still around the 155 mark, correct? While your numbers have been going up in your lifts (deadlift, zercher, squat, etc) despite your admittedly poor form, how have these translated into muscle gains? If you are serious about gaining lean muscle mass, wouldn't the absence of gains give you pause, and make you wonder what was missing from the equation?

Perhaps it's diet that is holding you back from putting on size, but more than likely your poor form is contributing to it. So why not perform your feats of strength with good form to accomplish one of your stated objectives, increased size?
Its not easy to put on mass training in the 2 Rep range.......

Newbtime
07-20-2005, 05:41 PM
To Diesle: your Strength off the floor is very good, but your lockout strength is lacking alot. My advice is stop hitching the weight and do rackpulls, consitantly for a few weeks. no hitching etc.

Your back seems to be fairly straight now, no rounding but it could be better, your form has definatly improved alot. But one thing i noticed is, on your second rep you didnt squat down and get your back straight like you did the first time. I think you should video tape your self directly on the side to see what you are doing wrong, and break down your form and workout it.

I think if you train your lockout strength a little under your knees consitantly for about a month you will smoke 440x2 with respectable form that would pass in a meet.

Good luck

Dr. Farkenstein
07-20-2005, 05:57 PM
Its not easy to put on mass training in the 2 Rep range.......

And yet one of his goals is adding size. So you tell me what is wrong with this picture.

John Hicks
07-20-2005, 06:09 PM
Hey DW,

What's going on with your Rolling Thunder lifts? Just like ta know... :D

Newbtime
07-20-2005, 06:38 PM
And yet one of his goals is adding size. So you tell me what is wrong with this picture.Weight is not always a indicator of size, maybe he has put on more muscle and gotten leaner...

DieselWeasel
07-20-2005, 06:57 PM
Will you lesser humans please stop trying to bring Mr Diesel down? His methods are working, his videos prove that.

And he is a little guy! And he bends the yellow nail.

But there is something wrong with this forum, it seems to be losing postings.

Correction, troll. I bent the yellow -and- blue nail, plus the 6" grade 5 bolt.

John: I haven't done the Rolling Thunder lift in a while. I'm more concerned with other types of grip strength, like bending and the farmer's walk.

Dr. Farkenstein: Last summer, I was probably around 10lbs lighter in bodyweight. How do you know my weight from year to year anyway? Why are you so overly concerned with -my- goals instead of your own?

Dr. Farkenstein
07-20-2005, 07:14 PM
Weight is not always a indicator of size, maybe he has put on more muscle and gotten leaner...

Perhaps. Although I don't recall him saying anything about cutting in any of his posts, talking about cardio, or discussing nutrition. So maybe that's not the case.

DieselWeasel, care to fill us in?

Dr. Farkenstein
07-20-2005, 07:23 PM
Correction, troll. I bent the yellow -and- blue nail, plus the 6" grade 5 bolt.

John: I haven't done the Rolling Thunder lift in a while. I'm more concerned with other types of grip strength, like bending and the farmer's walk.

Dr. Farkenstein: Last summer, I was probably around 10lbs lighter in bodyweight. How do you know my weight from year to year anyway? Why are you so overly concerned with -my- goals instead of your own?


Ok, so in one year you gained 10 pounds. You have said here, and elsewhere (specifically T-nation), that you were lifting for size and strength. You also have repeatedly posted your exact height and weight, which is how I was able to discern you haven't gone far from 150. My question is, where is the size? What is holding you back?

I'm not particularly worried about my goals, because I haven't gone to the trouble of creating a lengthy, in-depth workout journal replete with videos and photos. That was your choice.

theoldguy
07-20-2005, 07:24 PM
Hey DW,

What's going on with your Rolling Thunder lifts? Just like ta know... :D
Hello John! It is good to see a familiar face. Between you and Diesel we have a pretty good quorum.

Diesel please post a video of your GRADE5 nbend on the gripboard. I think they can learn from a little guy.

sword chucks
07-20-2005, 07:40 PM
wow this thread sure gets a lot of posts.

Gj on that 315 zercher DL- Im not even sure I can REGULAR deadlift that

****

o yeah in response to BPP's post- did u ever get hurt before, Deisel Dubs?

DieselWeasel
07-20-2005, 08:15 PM
wow this thread sure gets a lot of posts.

Gj on that 315 zercher DL- Im not even sure I can REGULAR deadlift that

****

o yeah in response to BPP's post- did u ever get hurt before, Deisel Dubs?

Thanks, but it was only a partial zercher deadlift. :)

No, I was never hurt/injured except when I pinching my hands while loading plates for a recent deadlift and a very slight (almost undetectable) fracture near my thumb when I failed during a squat in high school (four or five years ago.)

Newbtime
07-20-2005, 08:18 PM
Perhaps. Although I don't recall him saying anything about cutting in any of his posts, talking about cardio, or discussing nutrition. So maybe that's not the case.

DieselWeasel, care to fill us in?
You dont have to cut to loose fat, maybe he jsut cleaned his diet up...

Newbtime
07-20-2005, 08:24 PM
What is holding you back?
Probally the fact that he is focussing on strength right now, I can guarentee you he sint triyng to put on muscle in a 1-2-3 rep rang

DieselWeasel
07-20-2005, 08:29 PM
Probally the fact that he is focussing on strength right now, I can guarentee you he sint triyng to put on muscle in a 1-2-3 rep rang

This is correct. My biggest priority is strength, followed by size.

Tormented
07-20-2005, 08:50 PM
dude man thats awesome! catn believe you life that much weight i've never seen dips like that! u should get into competitions you could win a lot. you be rich geez! is taht a record?

DieselWeasel
07-20-2005, 09:04 PM
07/20/05 - Push

Flat Barbell Bench Press
115x6
135x4
155x2
185x1
210x2 (I never did 210x2 without spotter assistance.)

video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_bench_210x2


Barbell Clean and Press
115x6
135x3
155x1
175 x half rep (one half rep less)


Viking Press
90x3
180x1
230x1 (with assistance because I was pooped)
270x1 (same here)

- I have not done the bench press or clean and press since June 15th.

DieselWeasel
07-20-2005, 09:07 PM
dude man thats awesome! catn believe you life that much weight i've never seen dips like that! u should get into competitions you could win a lot. you be rich geez! is taht a record?

Is that your best attempt at sarcasm?

AJ010
07-20-2005, 09:36 PM
NICE bench man! Your form has gotten a lot better!

NO DOUBT....you benched that ****. I think it's pretty much safe to say that you have benched 210x2 without the spotter's assistance, and with very nice form. The bar should have been held more at the top at the beginning of the first rep,maybe a second or two longer, remember this for next time.

You have improved on the feet thing too. They left the ground on the first rep, but not the second rep. Looked much more stable this time, nice!!

Radok
07-20-2005, 09:38 PM
Why does it say 210 in your sig when it used to say 235?

AJ010
07-20-2005, 09:41 PM
Why does it say 210 in your sig when it used to say 235?

Because he didn't use proper form on the 235. It was with the spotter's assistance I bet.

He really improved though, that 210x2 was good.

DieselWeasel
07-20-2005, 09:44 PM
Why does it say 210 in your sig when it used to say 235?

I changed it because I highly doubt that I could've benched 235x1 without any assistance if I only did 210x2 without any assistance, earlier today.

You are correct, US. I believe I had assistance from the spotter when I benched 235 a while ago.

EDIT: Oh and thanks for the bench press analysis too, US. :)

AJ010
07-20-2005, 09:46 PM
I changed it because I highly doubt that I could've benched 235x1 without any assistance if I only did 210x2 without any assistance, earlier today.

You are correct, US. I believe I had assistance from the spotter when I benched 235 a while ago.

EDIT: Oh and thanks for the bench press analysis too, US. :)

Anytime man. Hope it helps you out in the future. :)

BRADP3
07-20-2005, 09:56 PM
Max, a cpuple of things. Tighten the **** up. Work on your arch, Maybe put boxes under your feet, looks like it would help stabilizing, since you have girl legs :D

DieselWeasel
07-20-2005, 09:58 PM
Max, a cpuple of things. Tighten the **** up. Work on your arch, Maybe put boxes under your feet, looks like it would help stabilizing, since you have girl legs :D

Yeah, I want a bigger arch. That should help.

I don't want to use boxes under my feet. That sounds like cheating to me.

Hey! My legs are sexy, bitch! :)

EDIT: I almost forgot to include the armwrestling with my friend that I did after the workout. He outweighs me by at least 50lbs, but I did well against him. Hopefully, that should help me be ready for the Kingsboro XXIII Armwrestling Championships on Saturday. It's just too bad that I can't practice with anyone else. It will be the first armwrestling event that I will pull in. I hope I do well.

BPP
07-20-2005, 10:58 PM
good benching bro

just a few things:
1) try and hold the lockout before rep 1 for a second, it lets your stabliziers prepare and lock in IMO and makes you feel tighter thru the lift, as well as making it cleaner
2) try Mendy style, what I do, and tuck the feet back to the toes, also helops with leg drive and arch IMO

DieselWeasel
07-20-2005, 11:02 PM
good benching bro

just a few things:
1) try and hold the lockout before rep 1 for a second, it lets your stabliziers prepare and lock in IMO and makes you feel tighter thru the lift, as well as making it cleaner
2) try Mendy style, what I do, and tuck the feet back to the toes, also helops with leg drive and arch IMO

Thanks for the tips. I'll probably try both next week if I can remember them. I can be forgetful. :o

gripguru316
07-21-2005, 06:45 AM
If AWed someone who was 50lbs. more then you and you won, then he wasn't that good. By the looks of your journal, I see no attempt at AW training. Are you sure you want to go to a tournament? Have you ever worked your hit? What about technique (high, low toproll, shoulder roll, hook etc.?) Sledge work for wrists? Wrist curls? Finger strength? Believe it or not I am actually giving you good advice. Take it, if you want.

KevinStarke
07-21-2005, 08:46 AM
DW BENCHING! awesome man those were some solid reps. From one little guy to another i've found bringing the legs back and going up on the toes mendy style really gives us some good leg drive, like you i need to work my arch a little too but that was some solid benching none the less man keep it up and good luck at the arm wrestling comp.

ArmySloth
07-21-2005, 09:46 AM
If AWed someone who was 50lbs. more then you and you won, then he wasn't that good. By the looks of your journal, I see no attempt at AW training. Are you sure you want to go to a tournament? Have you ever worked your hit? What about technique (high, low toproll, shoulder roll, hook etc.?) Sledge work for wrists? Wrist curls? Finger strength? Believe it or not I am actually giving you good advice. Take it, if you want.
good point

DieselWeasel
07-21-2005, 09:58 AM
If AWed someone who was 50lbs. more then you and you won, then he wasn't that good. By the looks of your journal, I see no attempt at AW training. Are you sure you want to go to a tournament? Have you ever worked your hit? What about technique (high, low toproll, shoulder roll, hook etc.?) Sledge work for wrists? Wrist curls? Finger strength? Believe it or not I am actually giving you good advice. Take it, if you want.

My friend is much stronger than me, but you're right; he isn't that great of an armwrestler.

You obviously have not been reading my journal. I've been doing sledgehammer levering, plate curls, bending (great for wrist strength), tearing, grippers, farmer's walks, two-finger per hand deadlifts, fingertip push-ups, etc. along with compound lifts like the bench press, squat and deadlift.

My main technique is a hook with a little press too.

Kevin: Thanks for the feet advice. :)

gripguru316
07-21-2005, 10:09 AM
I guess I didn't read it as thoroughly as possible. If your main technique is hook then you must train three things. Lats, biceps and wrist flexion. Chins are good (which you do). Try preacher or table curls. And WRIST CURLS. Sledge levering, and bending are good. But they ony work the sides of the wrist (i.e. good for toprollers). To work wrist flexion, do wrist curls. When you go to the tourney, remember to bring plenty of ice. Your tendons will need it, especially if your main move is a hook (in order to avoid medial epicondylitis). Like I said this is actual advice, take it if you want.

DieselWeasel
07-21-2005, 10:18 AM
I guess I didn't read it as thoroughly as possible. If your main technique is hook then you must train three things. Lats, biceps and wrist flexion. Chins are good (which you do). Try preacher or table curls. And WRIST CURLS. Sledge levering, and bending are good. But they ony work the sides of the wrist (i.e. good for toprollers). To work wrist flexion, do wrist curls. When you go to the tourney, remember to bring plenty of ice. Your tendons will need it, especially if your main move is a hook (in order to avoid medial epicondylitis). Like I said this is actual advice, take it if you want.

Thanks for the advice. Do you think doing pull (deadlift, barbell row and hammer curl) today will negatively affect me on Saturday? Is it too close to the event?

Jamma
07-21-2005, 11:41 AM
Diesel - Heres my advice to you.(I know you've had so much of it recently) OK I think you should look at you routine and think about how you could modify it a little, and it could just be a little. And think about how you could use these modifications to improve upon you form, as somebody said earlier why not go back to repping you DL and doing rack pulls then you'd smoke 440x2 (or whatever it was) and prove us all wrong.

Also on you dips you shoulder go down until your chin is level with where your hands are placed, and on chins don't jump it, you will definately see gains in your strength and size.

Jamma.

AJ010
07-21-2005, 12:11 PM
Diesel - Heres my advice to you.(I know you've had so much of it recently) OK I think you should look at you routine and think about how you could modify it a little, and it could just be a little. And think about how you could use these modifications to improve upon you form, as somebody said earlier why not go back to repping you DL and doing rack pulls then you'd smoke 440x2 (or whatever it was) and prove us all wrong.

Also on you dips you shoulder go down until your chin is level with where your hands are placed, and on chins don't jump it, you will definately see gains in your strength and size.

Jamma.

Good advice Jamma.

waitlifter82
07-21-2005, 12:46 PM
Nice benching there, DW... was going to give you a few pointers, but brad a bpp beat me to it..... good advice

gripguru316
07-21-2005, 01:12 PM
I think you should be okay, as long as you weren't doing too heavy of hammer curls. I would take a full rest until Saturday.

gripguru316
07-21-2005, 04:25 PM
Have a look at this website

http://www.armpower.net/index.php?page=arm_trenuj

There should be three sections, it is in polish but you can still look at the pictures.

DieselWeasel
07-21-2005, 06:43 PM
I think you should be okay, as long as you weren't doing too heavy of hammer curls. I would take a full rest until Saturday.

****. I -did- do heavy hammer curls. :(

I should be fine though. I'll be using ZMA tonight and tomorrow night and try to get at least 8 hours of sleep, both nights.

EDIT: Thanks for the link.

DieselWeasel
07-21-2005, 07:33 PM
07/21/05 - Pull

Deadlift
135x6
225x4
315x2
385x1
445x1.5 (+5lbs)

video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_dead_445x1.5


Barbell Row
135x6
205x6
265x6 (+5lbs)

- I have not done this exercise since exactly four months ago.


Hammer Curl
40s x 6
60s x 5
80s x 4 (+5lbs)

- I also included a screenshot of the 445 deadlift.

BRADP3
07-21-2005, 08:19 PM
Diesel, form is definitely getting better man, you let it loose at the beginning of that second rep though. Decend slower before you kill yourself :D. Just let me know when you hit 500

DieselWeasel
07-21-2005, 09:03 PM
Diesel, form is definitely getting better man, you let it loose at the beginning of that second rep though. Decend slower before you kill yourself :D. Just let me know when you hit 500

The 500 is going to take a while, but 455 is quickly approaching. Hopefully, I'll deadlift 455 the week after next.

AJ010
07-21-2005, 09:17 PM
The 500 is going to take a while, but 455 is quickly approaching. Hopefully, I'll deadlift 455 the week after next.

Do Coan. Skip the trouble of attempting a new max each week.

Coan/Phillipi is the way to go. :)

DieselWeasel
07-21-2005, 09:39 PM
Do Coan. Skip the trouble of attempting a new max each week.

Coan/Phillipi is the way to go. :)

I would but I need to focus more on my bench press and squat.

KevinStarke
07-21-2005, 10:02 PM
Lookin better DW, little hitching but definitelly better than the other reps. Those are some nasty bb rows i'd love to see a video of those. I'm starting the coan/phillipi soon.

9cyclops9
07-21-2005, 11:16 PM
You need to focus on getting your hips lower and not raising them up too soon. Put more of your legs into the pull and less of your back or you will injure yourself, plain and simple. The weight will come up much more smoothly as well. Read these articles and apply them, they should help you with your form.

http://www.dieselcrew.com/articles/deadlift101.pdf
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=40C0DA3184130F3859495ACE88 188C48.hydra?id=586815
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=40C0DA3184130F3859495ACE88 188C48.hydra?id=459964

The main thing I notice, again, is that you need to keep your hips down longer so you can do more of the lift with your legs.

BPP
07-22-2005, 12:30 AM
The 500 is going to take a while, but 455 is quickly approaching. Hopefully, I'll deadlift 455 the week after next.

for christ's sake, you jsut making it harder and harder to get your form right and your lockout strength up

the more you hitch up new weights, the longer and longer it's gonna take for you to learn it right and work on lockouts

DieselWeasel
07-22-2005, 12:54 AM
for christ's sake, you jsut making it harder and harder to get your form right and your lockout strength up

the more you hitch up new weights, the longer and longer it's gonna take for you to learn it right and work on lockouts

I will probably work on lockouts in the squat rack after I deadlift 455 in two weeks.

BPP
07-22-2005, 01:01 AM
I will probably work on lockouts in the squat rack after I deadlift 455 in two weeks.

you better, or else :mad:

DieselWeasel
07-22-2005, 01:17 AM
you better, or else :mad:

However, I'm beginning to think that I could have a glute weakness. So, maybe rack work won't fix my hitching problem if it's actually caused by my glutes. :confused:

BPP
07-22-2005, 01:20 AM
However, I'm beginning to think that I could have a glute weakness. So, maybe rack work won't fix my hitching problem if it's actually caused by my glutes. :confused:

its not jsut your glutes

and rack pulls as well as chain/banded deads are the best ways to work lockout regardless

DieselWeasel
07-22-2005, 09:59 AM
its not jsut your glutes

and rack pulls as well as chain/banded deads are the best ways to work lockout regardless

What other weaknesses do you think I have?

I don't have chains or bands. :(

Dr. Farkenstein
07-22-2005, 10:06 AM
I guess you could call me crazy, but I would think one key way to improve your deadlift form and strengthen your lockout ability would be to use a weight you could handle. If you recognize you have a hitching problem, and that you have some weak points, such as glute, why not take steps to improve them?

DieselWeasel
07-22-2005, 11:03 AM
I guess you could call me crazy, but I would think one key way to improve your deadlift form and strengthen your lockout ability would be to use a weight you could handle. If you recognize you have a hitching problem, and that you have some weak points, such as glute, why not take steps to improve them?

I will probably do rack deads after my 455 deadlift. That is how I will work on my lockout strength. Plus, I might also do specific glute work too.

Here is a quick question for you: Why are all 7 of your posts on bb.com located in my training journal?

9cyclops9
07-22-2005, 11:06 AM
I'll probably do rack deads after my 455 deadlift. That's how I will work on my lockout strength. Plus, I might also do specific glute work too.

Why not work on rack pulls and form NOW? Why not nip it in the bud ASAP instead of tempting injury further? Why do you have to hit 455 before you work on these things?

DieselWeasel
07-22-2005, 11:12 AM
Why not work on rack pulls and form NOW? Why not nip it in the bud ASAP instead of tempting injury further? Why do you have to hit 455 before you work on these things?

I'm waiting until after I lift 455 because it's soooo damn close, only 10lbs away.

9cyclops9
07-22-2005, 11:22 AM
I'm waiting until after I lift 455 because it's soooo damn close, only 10lbs away.

That's not very smart. What's so special about 455 that you MUST get it now? It isn't like it's an extra 45 on each side or something big like that. I mean, a 315 squat is sooooo damn close for me, but I was having some foru issues so I took the safe route and backed off for a while to do lower weight and higher reps so I could focus on form and not get injured in the process. You'd do well to learn that lesson.

SoG
07-22-2005, 11:49 AM
I bet if you dropped the weight down 30 pounds you'd get your true, good-form max.


-Dave

AJ010
07-22-2005, 12:18 PM
I read one of those articles, and came to this conclusion:

1) You have weak glutes
2) You have a weak upper back
3) You're not looking UP and ARCHING your back at the beginning. I tested this one myself last night just to make sure. The moment I looked up and arched my back, my hips/butt got LOWER...you need to do this


Solutions:

1) ATG Squats, Pullthrus, (reverse leg press? [works on hip extension anyways]). You're bound to find something that works the glutes.
2) Rack pulls work the upper back more so than the actual lockout. The mechanics of the deadlift and rack pull are just too different for you to find any actual "lockout strength" gains from rack pulls. The rack pull ends up turning into sort of a 1/4 squat, with a gain of leverage too. You should get bands, you SHOULD get bands, and do BANDED DEADLIFTS! I'm thinking of getting bands too when I get some money. :)
3) Look up and ARCH that back at the start. Practice this with 135/225. Tell me if you don't notice your hips/butt getting lower!

-Steel

AJ010
07-22-2005, 12:23 PM
I bet if you dropped the weight down 30 pounds you'd get your true, good-form max.


-Dave

You are referring to the deadlift, not the bench right?

The way I see it is:

His deadlift would definitely pass in a strongman competition. They allow hitching, so that's all good to me, I could care less if you hitch. It's his rounded back and SLDL style and early release of air that are the real problems.

DW: Your 445 deadlift would have passed in a strongman competition. It would not pass in a powerlifting competition. The way I see it, you don't compete in either, and either way, if it passes in one of the two forms of REPUTABLE establishments of strength competition, then your deadlift is FINE, as far as PASSING goes. Your FORM at the START of the deadlift is what needs the most work. Your STRENGTH at the FINISH of the deadlift is what needs a lot of work!

-Steel

Dr. Farkenstein
07-22-2005, 12:39 PM
I will probably do rack deads after my 455 deadlift. That is how I will work on my lockout strength. Plus, I might also do specific glute work too.

Here is a quick question for you: Why are all 7 of your posts on bb.com located in my training journal?

Because this is the such an oddly fascinating journal, and my curiousity was piqued by all of the heat generated by your postings and videos on other sites.

The logic and rationale behind your videos and lifting regimen are oddly fascinating.

DieselWeasel
07-22-2005, 01:42 PM
Because this is the such an oddly fascinating journal, and my curiousity was piqued by all of the heat generated by your postings and videos on other sites.

The logic and rationale behind your videos and lifting regimen are oddly fascinating.

What are your stats?

tom4212
07-22-2005, 02:00 PM
Deadlift form was better than the previous video posted but still not good. I would still drop the weight and work on it.

sword chucks
07-22-2005, 05:20 PM
at the start of that pull your form was excellent, but i guess you need to work on your lockouts then

so good luck bringing that up. How long do u think it will take?

Danimal
07-23-2005, 05:23 AM
I would but I need to focus more on my bench press and squat.

DW, you can do the Coan/Phillipi dead routine and still work your squat and bench hard. I used that routine for nearly 2 years, it works well. There is a Coan squat program that works in conjunction with the DL routine. It's not a lot of volume- 1 set of squats, 2 sets of pause squats. All the assistance is done on DL day.

DieselWeasel
07-25-2005, 12:21 AM
Thanks for the advice, Danimal.


Kingsboro XXIII Armwrestling Championship
- Coney Island, Brooklyn, NY - July 23, 2005 -

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_arm_01 <= first match - WIN
http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_arm_02 <= second match- LOSS

They were supposed to tell me that I was up next and did not say anything, so I went into the second match basically cold. I don't know the name of my opponent in the second match, so I need to wait until the results and pics are posted on nycarms.com to figure it out.

I think I did well, considering it was my first time competing at a sanctioned armwrestling event. It just sucks that it was single elimination instead of double elimination.

ArmySloth
07-25-2005, 06:04 AM
Thanks for the advice, Danimal.


Kingsboro XXIII Armwrestling Championship
- Coney Island, Brooklyn, NY - July 23, 2005 -

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_arm_01 <= first match - WIN
http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_arm_02 <= second match- LOSS

They were supposed to tell me that I was up next and did not say anything, so I went into the second match basically cold. I don't know the name of my opponent in the second match, so I need to wait until the results and pics are posted on nycarms.com to figure it out.

I think I did well, considering it was my first time competing at a sanctioned armwrestling event. It just sucks that it was single elimination instead of double elimination.

No matter bro, all that matters is that you had fun and you learned something.

KevinStarke
07-25-2005, 07:25 AM
Great job man.

gripguru316
07-25-2005, 07:31 AM
I can't get the movie links to work.

DieselWeasel
07-25-2005, 08:30 AM
I can't get the movie links to work.

The links work for me. Maybe your firewall is blocking them. Try them again.

ArmySloth and KevinStarke: Thanks, guys.

gripguru316
07-25-2005, 09:28 AM
Yeah they work now. A couple things, foot position is good. Try to get your body closer to your arm, you'll have more power this way. Another thing, make sure your hand is very close to your shoulder (fist distance). I couldn't tell if you wrapped your index over your thumb, but if you didn't, do it next time. Also if you find yourself in a hook and you can't take the guy (like the second video) try to drag his arm away from his body (i.e. the hook and drag). Either then that, it was pretty good. good luck with further training.

gripguru316
07-25-2005, 09:43 AM
check this video out.
http://s50.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3IKY8DV7WW7CI2WIFYEY7WCXUS

this is the kind of setup you want. Yes my hand does get away from my shoulder, but once I bring it back in, my brother loses. My left is my weaker arm. My hit is atrocious, but I am trying to strengthen it.

DieselWeasel
07-25-2005, 01:55 PM
Yeah they work now. A couple things, foot position is good. Try to get your body closer to your arm, you'll have more power this way. Another thing, make sure your hand is very close to your shoulder (fist distance). I couldn't tell if you wrapped your index over your thumb, but if you didn't, do it next time. Also if you find yourself in a hook and you can't take the guy (like the second video) try to drag his arm away from his body (i.e. the hook and drag). Either then that, it was pretty good. good luck with further training.

Thanks for the tips. I tried to keep my arm close to my body. I did not know that I should have my index finger over my thumb. I will try that next time.

Your video does not work on my computer. I get a video codec error even though I'm using Windows Media Player 10.

GmoneyJakee
07-25-2005, 05:18 PM
dude i was just checkin out some of ur old videos over my friend Painthrillers aka ants house and **** and like dude whats up with ur form. like with ur 440x2 dead and ****. how can anyone even consider that a second rep. ur feet moved off the ground and **** and u hitched the **** outa it. u struggled with the first one bad enough and then the second one shouldnt even be counted as a rep. and then ur dips with 115. dude u didnt even dip all the way what the hell man. all im sayin is ur form on things is a little sketchy. same with ur chin ups. ur first one u had to jump up to come up all the way and all the rest after that ur chin didnt even come close to the bar. seriously though like people said before u do gota work on ur form on things. bad form is how people get serioulsy hurt. i know im not the best at things but i do take peoples advice and when they give me some pointers. its not about bashing ur manly ego its about listening to what other people have to say and accepting it as their comment or opinion or suggestion. but yeah thats it i guess.