PDA

View Full Version : DieselWeasel's Lifting Journal



Pages : 1 2 3 4 [5] 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14

bulkhead
05-11-2005, 01:39 PM
hey DW, i'm right behind you with 35 cards torn last night. going for 40 on friday.
BH

DieselWeasel
05-11-2005, 01:45 PM
hey DW, i'm right behind you with 35 cards torn last night. going for 40 on friday.
BH

Good ****. Don't stop! :)

I'm going for 39, later today, after work. That will be a 1 card PR. :D

dookie1481
05-11-2005, 02:31 PM
OK. Help me and critique the 405X4 deadlift video if your intention is to actually HELP instead of ****-stirring.

The exact same **** as in every other one of your vids that I've seen:

Rounded back
Hitching like crazy
Not controlling the descent (I'm surprised you haven't been kicked out yet)
Assuaging your ego instead of using proper form

A lot of people on said boards say that you have a lot of potential (strong for your size), but if you are injured (which WILL happen at your current rate), you ain't lifting ****.

Gr8Ape
05-11-2005, 02:44 PM
One day, CRACK!!!!, BAM!!!!!

broken vertebrae

tonguey
05-11-2005, 03:51 PM
OK. Help me and critique the 405X4 deadlift video if your intention is to actually HELP instead of ****-stirring.

Ok. Here it is:

1. Youre not using your legs at all at the bottom of the movement. You are stiff legging your reps. This shows you have a very strong posterior, but its not good form for conventional deadlifts. Youre not lowering your butt enough to start the pull. Your butt is high up even at the beggining of the rep. Not good.

2. As dookie said. Once you get the bar past the knee, you beggin hitching it. Which may have different meanings to different ppl, but to me it means that youre kinda resting the bar on your thigh a little and leaning back to try to lockout. Call it what you will, hitching or whatever, but you are doing it.

3. Which brings me to the last thing. Youre not actually locking out. Your legs are still bent at the very top. Not too much, but its noticeable. Its not impossible to see either (Im sure you will deny all of these things, but the lockout is what you will deny the most, as Ive seen you do it before).

Thats all I can see, and keep in mind Im FAR from being an expert (like a lot of the ppl that tried to help you at Iron Addicts). Maybe your back needs to be a little straighter too like someone said before, but those three are the most important.

You can dismiss me like you have done before. Call me an amateur or a noob, cuz I havent lifted for 22 years like your "friend", dont listen to me if you dont want. But for ****s sake, at least listen to the more advanced ppl that have tried to help. Dont always feel attacked by all the advice they give you. They were even very nice to you at IAs and you still didnt want to listen.
Thats why some ppl just plain dislike you. Anyones form can suck, but its only you that WANTS to stay so blind to the truth and never listens to anyone, but his "friend".

uk machine
05-11-2005, 04:50 PM
hey diesal, if you dont really think that your forms bad, take your cheater belt off, why are you lifting with it anyway when your doing reps?, and see if your back holds out. if your form is good then you wont get injured. are you willing to take me up on this?

uk machine
05-11-2005, 04:51 PM
Ok. Here it is:

1. Youre not using your legs at all at the bottom of the movement. You are stiff legging your reps. This shows you have a very strong posterior, but its not good form for conventional deadlifts. Youre not lowering your butt enough to start the pull. Your butt is high up even at the beggining of the rep. Not good.

2. As dookie said. Once you get the bar past the knee, you beggin hitching it. Which may have different meanings to different ppl, but to me it means that youre kinda resting the bar on your thigh a little and leaning back to try to lockout. Call it what you will, hitching or whatever, but you are doing it.

3. Which brings me to the last thing. Youre not actually locking out. Your legs are still bent at the very top. Not too much, but its noticeable. Its not impossible to see either (Im sure you will deny all of these things, but the lockout is what you will deny the most, as Ive seen you do it before).

Thats all I can see, and keep in mind Im FAR from being an expert (like a lot of the ppl that tried to help you at Iron Addicts). Maybe your back needs to be a little straighter too like someone said before, but those three are the most important.

You can dismiss me like you have done before. Call me an amateur or a noob, cuz I havent lifted for 22 years like your "friend", dont listen to me if you dont want. But for ****s sake, at least listen to the more advanced ppl that have tried to help. Dont always feel attacked by all the advice they give you. They were even very nice to you at IAs and you still didnt want to listen.
Thats why some ppl just plain dislike you. Anyones form can suck, but its only you that WANTS to stay so blind to the truth and never listens to anyone, but his "friend".
the FI crew have tried to help him aswell, but i think you can guess what his repsone was to everyone.

dookie1481
05-11-2005, 06:43 PM
hey diesal, if you dont really think that your forms bad, take your cheater belt off, why are you lifting with it anyway when your doing reps?, and see if your back holds out. if your form is good then you wont get injured. are you willing to take me up on this?

The belt is irrelevant. His form (or lack thereof) is the issue. Nothing wrong with a belt; I would even recommend it when doing <3 reps.

DieselWeasel
05-11-2005, 07:21 PM
hey diesal, if you dont really think that your forms bad, take your cheater belt off, why are you lifting with it anyway when your doing reps?, and see if your back holds out. if your form is good then you wont get injured. are you willing to take me up on this?

Screw you. I will lift with whatever equipment I damn well please: belt, wraps, whatever.

Gr8Ape: Don't you have homework to do or something?

AJ010
05-11-2005, 07:39 PM
I watched the video even closer. He did not seriously hitch. Look very closely, you'll see it yourselves that it slides up. Maybe on the last 1 or 2 reps its a slightly bumpy ride up the thighs, but it really doesnt look like hitching.

DieselWeasel
05-11-2005, 08:39 PM
05/11/05 - Grip

Card Tearing
19 cards
39 cards

Lifeforce
05-12-2005, 12:05 AM
Ok. Here it is:

1. Youre not using your legs at all at the bottom of the movement. You are stiff legging your reps. This shows you have a very strong posterior, but its not good form for conventional deadlifts. Youre not lowering your butt enough to start the pull. Your butt is high up even at the beggining of the rep. Not good.

2. As dookie said. Once you get the bar past the knee, you beggin hitching it. Which may have different meanings to different ppl, but to me it means that youre kinda resting the bar on your thigh a little and leaning back to try to lockout. Call it what you will, hitching or whatever, but you are doing it.

3. Which brings me to the last thing. Youre not actually locking out. Your legs are still bent at the very top. Not too much, but its noticeable. Its not impossible to see either (Im sure you will deny all of these things, but the lockout is what you will deny the most, as Ive seen you do it before).

Thats all I can see, and keep in mind Im FAR from being an expert (like a lot of the ppl that tried to help you at Iron Addicts). Maybe your back needs to be a little straighter too like someone said before, but those three are the most important.

You can dismiss me like you have done before. Call me an amateur or a noob, cuz I havent lifted for 22 years like your "friend", dont listen to me if you dont want. But for ****s sake, at least listen to the more advanced ppl that have tried to help. Dont always feel attacked by all the advice they give you. They were even very nice to you at IAs and you still didnt want to listen.
Thats why some ppl just plain dislike you. Anyones form can suck, but its only you that WANTS to stay so blind to the truth and never listens to anyone, but his "friend".

I watched the video again a couple of times and I think these points are more or less valid. Maybe you should listen to him. I don't think he mean to attack you with this. When I lifted I noticed my form was all screwed, it took will to back off the heavy weight and to actually perform the lift with better form. What if you wake up a day in five years, go and train and the lower back suddenly pups and the vertabrea is broken? It looks way cooler if you perform a lift with perfect form even if it's less weight.

Danimal
05-12-2005, 05:06 AM
I watched the video even closer. He did not seriously hitch. Look very closely, you'll see it yourselves that it slides up. Maybe on the last 1 or 2 reps its a slightly bumpy ride up the thighs, but it really doesnt look like hitching.

It's definitely hitching. I'm a certified ref and I wouldn't pass any of those reps. I know this isn't a meet but DW should still be striving to use proper form and check is ego by using weights that allow him to use good form. If you guys would stop swinging from his nuts everytime he posts one of these feats of strength maybe he would learn how to lift properly. It's not my body, but the way he's going, he won't be lifting anything when he gets to be my age.

DieselWeasel
05-12-2005, 06:37 AM
It's definitely hitching. I'm a certified ref and I wouldn't pass any of those reps. I know this isn't a meet but DW should still be striving to use proper form and check is ego by using weights that allow him to use good form. If you guys would stop swinging from his nuts everytime he posts one of these feats of strength maybe he would learn how to lift properly. It's not my body, but the way he's going, he won't be lifting anything when he gets to be my age.

How old are you?

You're a ref in which fed?

I'm not worried about flawless, totally perfect form that's good for three white lights. I'm not concerned with that because I don't see myself ever competing in a powerlifting meet. I lift for PRs, pride and the challenge, not trophies.

Danimal
05-12-2005, 07:56 AM
How old are you?

You're a ref in which fed?

I'm not worried about flawless, totally perfect form that's good for three white lights. I'm not concerned with that because I don't see myself ever competing in a powerlifting meet. I lift for PRs, pride and the challenge, not trophies.

I'm 42. I'm a ref in the APA.

Whether you plan on competing or not has nothing to do with your form. Form is something that should be stressed over all else regardless of your goals. It will help keep you injury free and give you longevity in the gym. It's fine to lift for PRs, pride and the challenge. Thats what most powerlifters lift for, not a trophy. But you should do so with the best form possible. If that means you have to drop your weight back to something you can do with good form, thats what you should do. Not do ugly, dangerous looking lifts to stroke your ego.

DieselWeasel
05-12-2005, 08:03 AM
I'm 42. I'm a ref in the APA.

Whether you plan on competing or not has nothing to do with your form. Form is something that should be stressed over all else regardless of your goals. It will help keep you injury free and give you longevity in the gym. It's fine to lift for PRs, pride and the challenge. Thats what most powerlifters lift for, not a trophy. But you should do so with the best form possible. If that means you have to drop your weight back to something you can do with good form, thats what you should do. Not do ugly, dangerous looking lifts to stroke your ego.

Thanks, but no thanks. I'll be attempting 410X4, this weekend.

Lifeforce
05-12-2005, 08:13 AM
Seriously, listen to Danimal, he know what he's talking about.

dookie1481
05-12-2005, 08:39 AM
Thanks, but no thanks. I'll be attempting 410X4, this weekend.

Are you serious? You really are one of those people who learns everything the hard way, huh? No one is trying to beat you up; I would rather see everyone use good form than lift heavy weights. You will be kicking yourself in the ass a few years from now.

DieselWeasel
05-12-2005, 09:06 AM
Are you serious? You really are one of those people who learns everything the hard way, huh? No one is trying to beat you up; I would rather see everyone use good form than lift heavy weights. You will be kicking yourself in the ass a few years from now.

I'm dead serious.

ChuckTaylor
05-12-2005, 10:55 AM
Keep the video clips coming! You are the laughing stock of the
serious PL boards. It brightens up otherwise dull weeks. ;)

Good luck on the 410x4!

Chuck

DieselWeasel
05-12-2005, 11:26 AM
Keep the video clips coming! You are the laughing stock of the
serious PL boards. It brightens up otherwise dull weeks. ;)

Good luck on the 410x4!

Chuck

You have nothing else in your life to look forward to besides my videos? That's horrible. Sorry about your miserable existence.

ChuckTaylor
05-12-2005, 12:14 PM
No.. You are just a moron who does not know any better. It is like going to
the zoo and watching the monkeys play with their feces.

Good luck going nowhere.

BUT KEEP THE VIDEOS coming! Great stuff!

Chuck

BRADP2
05-12-2005, 06:28 PM
No.. You are just a moron who does not know any better. It is like going to
the zoo and watching the monkeys play with their feces.

Good luck going nowhere.

BUT KEEP THE VIDEOS coming! Great stuff!

Chuck


You're a ****ing dick.

DieselWeasel
05-12-2005, 07:09 PM
I did some crush grip work today with the Trainer, #1, #2 and #3. I did regular reps with the first three grippers and two negatives per hand with the #3.

AJ010
05-12-2005, 07:15 PM
How many times can you close the #2?

DieselWeasel
05-12-2005, 07:33 PM
How many times can you close the #2?

I don't know. I never repped out with it. I don't think it would be very many reps. I can get the #3 to about parallel, more or less.

ChuckTaylor
05-13-2005, 01:50 PM
You're a ****ing dick.
Thank you.

C

ChuckTaylor
05-13-2005, 01:52 PM
I don't know. I never repped out with it. I don't think it would be very many reps. I can get the #3 to about parallel, more or less.
Post a video.

hepennypacker52
05-13-2005, 02:58 PM
How many cards did you start with for tearing? Do you just grab the deck like you would grab a bar (all fingers wrapped around bar/deck) and push with one hand and pull with the other? I can't think of many cooler things than taking someones deck of cards after you lose and tearing it in half.

BRADP2
05-13-2005, 04:52 PM
How many cards did you start with for tearing? Do you just grab the deck like you would grab a bar (all fingers wrapped around bar/deck) and push with one hand and pull with the other? I can't think of many cooler things than taking someones deck of cards after you lose and tearing it in half.

You have to work them back and forth like a mother****er, it gets tiring.

DieselWeasel
05-13-2005, 08:01 PM
You have to work them back and forth like a mother****er, it gets tiring.

Yeah, that's basically how I do it. But there's like three different techniques. Here's a good link for card tearing info:

http://www.heavysports.com/emag/Clay_Edgin/cards.html

hepennypacker52: The first day that i tore cards, I did 20, 25 and 30. Then I did 35, the next day. After that, the gains were much slower. It's been +1 card every time since then.

DieselWeasel
05-14-2005, 10:06 AM
05/13/05 - Pull

Deadlift
155x6
245x2
325x1
370x1
410x3


Chin-Up
BWx6
BW+45x4
BW+90x3


Barbell Shrug
185x8
285x8
385x12*

* mixed grip (6L, 6R)


Db Hammer Curl
25x8
45x6
65x6

- There was a little cheating during the last set.


One-Arm Db Jerk
55x1
75x1
95x0**

** many attempts which were mostly partials
- I threw this one in just for fun.

BRADP2
05-14-2005, 06:59 PM
You shopuld go back to the one arm dumbell swings, theyre cooler :D

DieselWeasel
05-15-2005, 08:41 AM
You shopuld go back to the one arm dumbell swings, theyre cooler :D

Old school! :)


Guys, I couldn't resist the urge to tear some cards, yesterday:

20 cards
40 cards

AJ010
05-15-2005, 08:43 AM
Awesome deadlifts bro.

DieselWeasel
05-15-2005, 09:22 AM
Awesome deadlifts bro.

Thanks. Those losers at FI are ripping me apart though.

AJ010
05-15-2005, 09:41 AM
Thanks. Those losers at FI are ripping me apart though.

FI sucks ass now. It used to be good when it started.

bb.com is the best damn site period.

DieselWeasel
05-15-2005, 09:43 AM
FI sucks ass now. It used to be good when it started.

bb.com is the best damn site period.

Yeah, this is my home. :)

tonguey
05-15-2005, 11:02 AM
Thanks. Those losers at FI are ripping me apart though.

They are not the only "losers" tearing you a new one man. theres like five other boards where your videos are critized negatively. And if you think that EVERYONE who disagrees with you on your precious deadlift form is a loser, you got it all back asswards man. You wanna see a loser?...see your videos.

waitlifter82
05-15-2005, 11:57 AM
**** the videos for deadlifts.... I want to see those chins!!:)

AJ010
05-15-2005, 12:03 PM
**** the videos for deadlifts.... I want to see those chins!!:)

I should get one of me when I finally nail that +115. :D

I was so damn close

Porky
05-15-2005, 12:05 PM
ur lifting is going good man but lets see some bending :).

i know u can kill that yellow.
i think u should start experimenting with a different style.
when i started i naturally went to double overhand, but double underhand is where its at :).

waitlifter82
05-15-2005, 12:11 PM
I should get one of me when I finally nail that +115. :D

I was so damn close

cool beans... just wondering what everyone's form and tempo is on these

AJ010
05-15-2005, 12:14 PM
cool beans... just wondering what everyone's form and tempo is on these

Start from about full hang, then get chin above bar. Use as much force and speed as needed. No bodybuilder **** with a tempo. :D

I only got my mouth to the bar. I'm practically doing "thick bar chinups" though, because I use my oly bar to do chinups, and not the thin pullup bar.

Porky
05-15-2005, 12:24 PM
You have nothing else in your life to look forward to besides my videos? That's horrible. Sorry about your miserable existence.

no i dont. is that a problem :D

DieselWeasel
05-15-2005, 05:07 PM
no i dont. is that a problem :D

Yes, it is! ;)

I'm still waiting on the bender's bag from Fat Bastard Barbell Co. which is taking entirely too long to arrive in the mail. I'm going to bend some square stock when I get that bag. That should give me enough strength to bend the yellow.


05/15/05 - Push

Flat Barbell Bench Press
115x6
145x3
175x1
205x4 (+2 reps)


Clean and Press
95x6
120x3
145x1
170x2* (+5 lbs)

* one clean and two presses


Rack Bench**
135x6
225x3
275x0
275x1 (assistance)
280x1

** 8th pin (one lower than last time)

hepennypacker52
05-15-2005, 06:18 PM
How do you afford all of those cards lol?

The pics in the link don't work :(.

DieselWeasel
05-15-2005, 06:55 PM
How do you afford all of those cards lol?

The pics in the link don't work :(.

I bought 30 decks for $38 after shipping from http://www.FunctionalHandStrength.com

Are you referring to the pics in the Clay Edgin card tearing article? They work on my end.

BRADP2
05-15-2005, 09:11 PM
Thanks for that card link diesel! My card tearing just jumped from 21 cards to 29 just by using the suggested form :D

DieselWeasel
05-15-2005, 09:15 PM
Thanks for that card link diesel! My card tearing just jumped from 21 cards to 29 just by using the suggested form :D

Nice! Which technique were you using before and which one are you using now?

DieselWeasel
05-17-2005, 07:43 AM
05/16/05 - Legs

I didn't do the full 20 reps for the 225 squat, but I did very well considering my last 20 rep set was done with 215.

Barbell Squat:
135X2
225X18


Zercher Rack Deadlift:
1st Pin:
160X1
210X1
260X1

4th Pin:
325X1


Barbell Calf Raise:
135X8
225X8
325X8


- After I got home from the leg session, I couldn't resist the urge to do some tearing. I found a couple of old phone books and tried the smaller of the two which was ~1000 pages. That was too much for me. However, when I tore about half of the pages off, I tore the remaining 560-570 pages in half. I will post a pic of the half that I saved after I return from campus.

BRADP2
05-17-2005, 07:51 AM
Nice! Which technique were you using before and which one are you using now?
The grab the cards technique and move hands back and forth until the cards were torn in half :D

I'm going to start doing zerchers...look like fun

DieselWeasel
05-17-2005, 07:53 AM
The grab the cards technique and move hands back and forth until the cards were torn in half :D

I'm going to start doing zerchers...look like fun

Are you referring to the one hand on top and one hand on bottom method? Is that the technique that helped you increase your tearing ability?

Yeah, the zercher deadlifts are great. They really hit the hamstrings and I always get lots of stares. :D

DieselWeasel
05-18-2005, 07:24 AM
Here is a pic of one half of the ripped phone book which is ~565 pages.

Halfway
05-18-2005, 10:32 AM
can you post a vid of your next 20 rep squat attempt? I would LOVE to see your zerchers too, I can't quite picture how you're doing the lift...

your deadlift form is remarkable, I'm eagerly awaiting your 455 attempt, I'm sure you could get a couple of reps with that weight at least... dont sell yourself short.

DieselWeasel
05-18-2005, 12:27 PM
can you post a vid of your next 20 rep squat attempt? I would LOVE to see your zerchers too, I can't quite picture how you're doing the lift...

your deadlift form is remarkable, I'm eagerly awaiting your 455 attempt, I'm sure you could get a couple of reps with that weight at least... dont sell yourself short.

I'm probably never posting a 20 rep squat video because that gives the haters 20x as many opportunities to nitpick my form as opposed to a one rep max video. That's way too much ammunition for those losers.

I posted a 225x1 zercher deadlift video about a couple of months ago in this journal. That vid was from the floor. I might do another video from either the 1st and/or 4th pins in squat rack.

I wouldn't consider my deadlift form "remarkable", but it's a lot better than what many people are making it out to be. If I keep making steady progress, I will probably attempt the 455 deadlift towards the end of the summer.

DieselWeasel
05-18-2005, 06:42 PM
I did more phone book tearing today.

415
750
850

Porky
05-19-2005, 03:04 PM
I did more phone book tearing today.

415
750
850

awsome tearing man.
ur gonna have a sick ass well rounded grip soon man

DieselWeasel
05-19-2005, 06:46 PM
awsome tearing man.
ur gonna have a sick ass well rounded grip soon man

Yeah, it will definately help when I compete in my first armwrestling tournament, probably in July and/or August.

I-love-muscle
05-19-2005, 07:56 PM
I did more phone book tearing today.

415
750
850
lol damn impressive

DieselWeasel
05-19-2005, 08:09 PM
lol damn impressive

Thanks. I want to tear at least 950 pages on Saturday and try to get it on video too.

EDIT: Here's a new pic:

BRADP2
05-20-2005, 11:30 AM
Thanks. I want to tear at least 950 pages on Saturday and try to get it on video too.

EDIT: Here's a new pic:


Shave your head, you'd look badass

Porky
05-20-2005, 12:35 PM
haha tricked me i thought i was gonna see a torn phonebook. not a fuzzy face

DieselWeasel
05-20-2005, 12:52 PM
Shave your head, you'd look badass

I'll probably do that sooner or later because I think I'm going to lose my hair. :(

Porky: Fuzzy? It looks clear enough on my end.

BTW, look for that video of me tearing a phone book, tomorrow night or the day after that.

AJ010
05-20-2005, 01:18 PM
You are jacked to the extreme.

DieselWeasel
05-20-2005, 01:23 PM
You are jacked to the extreme.

Thanks. :)

You need to post a pic and make me look like poop. :D

EDIT: Porky, wrong fuzzy. :o

AJ010
05-20-2005, 01:26 PM
Thanks. :)

You need to post a pic and make me look like poop. :D

EDIT: Porky, wrong fuzzy. :o

Haha, what, are you kidding me? You do weighted chinups with 12, I repeat, 12 45s! You, sir, would make me look like poop. :D

DieselWeasel
05-20-2005, 01:39 PM
Haha, what, are you kidding me? You do weighted chinups with 12, I repeat, 12 45s! You, sir, would make me look like poop. :D

Twelve 45s? :confused:

AJ010
05-20-2005, 02:28 PM
Twelve 45s? :confused:

Yes, 540lbs. Don't be modest bro. :D

DieselWeasel
05-20-2005, 02:30 PM
Yes, 540lbs. Don't be modest bro. :D

Oh, hell no! :eek:

EDIT: Now, I've been banned from FortifiedIron -and- RuggedMag. Oh, the horror! :rolleyes:

BRADP2
05-20-2005, 09:40 PM
Oh rats....BB.com is the best, starting to enjoy avantlabs as well

AJ010
05-21-2005, 07:51 AM
Oh, hell no! :eek:

EDIT: Now, I've been banned from FortifiedIron -and- RuggedMag. Oh, the horror! :rolleyes:

Don't worry about it.

Those places don't compare to bb.com

DieselWeasel
05-21-2005, 07:57 AM
I aint sweatin it, guys. :)

DieselWeasel
05-21-2005, 04:17 PM
Dont forget about your well deserved banning from IronAddicts.com.

Why did those other places ban you?. I could take a guess.

Why are you still posting in my journal?

tonguey
05-21-2005, 04:22 PM
Im just curious. I keep wondering which will happen first:

a)You finally decide to stop stroking your ego and lift with good form

or

b)Your spine gives out and you end up saying "Gee, I think all those ppl were right all along!" or maybe in your case "Gee, I dont know what happened! My form was alright and I still blew out my back".


EDIT: let me guess. Youre gonna neg rep me again. lol.

DieselWeasel
05-21-2005, 04:32 PM
Im just curious. I keep wondering which will happen first:

a)You finally decide to stop stroking your ego and lift with good form

or

b)Your spine gives out and you end up saying "Gee, I think all those ppl were right all along!" or maybe in your case "Gee, I dont know what happened! My form was alright and I still blew out my back".


You know what's strange? Shortly before I was banned on those forums, I kept reading recent threads about people getting injured (hernias, slipped disks, pec tears, etc.) It seemed like everyone else was hurting themselves. Meanwhile, I'm as healthy as ever, besides the common cold which is just annoying.



EDIT: let me guess. Youre gonna neg rep me again. lol.

You got it, buddy.

EDIT: I tried, unsuccessfully. I need to spread my rep points around some more.

DieselWeasel
05-21-2005, 04:55 PM
05/21/05 - Push

I read about the standing dumbbell clean and press in 'Dinosaur Training' by Brooks Kubik which is a great book.

Flat Db Bench Press
34sX8
54sX6
74sX6
84sX5
99sX4


Incline Db Bench Press
54sX6
74sX6
89sX5


Standing Db Clean and Press (new)
34sX6
44sX6
54sX6
64sX5
69sX5

- 1 clean along with the specified amount of presses

BRADP2
05-21-2005, 05:27 PM
you have weird dumbells.....why dont they go by 5's

FatboyJim!!1
05-21-2005, 09:09 PM
Im just curious. I keep wondering which will happen first:

a)You finally decide to stop stroking your ego and lift with good form

or

b)Your spine gives out and you end up saying "Gee, I think all those ppl were right all along!" or maybe in your case "Gee, I dont know what happened! My form was alright and I still blew out my back".


EDIT: let me guess. Youre gonna neg rep me again. lol.


He's not going to hurt his back doing one set of DLs a week is he? Maybe he could get away with back rounding doing much more, ****loads of other people seem to be able to. I wish I could get away with even slight back rounding, but I have a history of back injuries (well one) and sciatica/piriformis syndrome.

I'm interested to see how his numbers progress because I've never heard of anyone basically training HIT but with low-medium reps. I wouldn't have thought anyone could get that far using HIT. Making PRs every workout is not supposed to happen. When you get to a certain level PRs are supposed to burn you out for a while. Maybe that level is higher than DW is at but he is not exactly weak for his weight.

I wonder what the gains would be like using some sort of normal powerlifting training. It looks like you are switching exercises more now. Maybe this is helping.

John Hicks
05-21-2005, 09:36 PM
DW,

Great pics and GREAT progress!! Question tho: whats' your current bodyweight now? Damn, you look a hellva lot better than to be at 155!! I'm thinking you're more like 175 or more! :D

BTW, didn't know you were banned at FortifiedIron!! What the hell happened there?!?

Cricket_Fire
05-21-2005, 10:39 PM
BTW, didn't know you were banned at FortifiedIron!! What the hell happened there?!?
Dis-respecting mods and members.

Diesel, nice phonebook tearing man. I tried it, and got the pages on mine started, but couldn't finish it (it's the phone book we use haha, mom would've torn my head off anyways).

Good luck w/ your training.

DieselWeasel
05-22-2005, 10:12 AM
you have weird dumbells.....why dont they go by 5's

My friend has dumbbells that weigh 12lbs each plus two 1lb collars = 14lbs + added weight.

John Hicks: Thanks. I haven't weighed myself in a while.

FI? That place turned into a total flamefest against me. They didn't like how I was defending myself against the attacks.

Cricket_Fire: It seems like card tearing is a lot more difficult than phone book tearing.

FatboyJim!!1: "not exactly weak for his weight" ? Thanks.


Hey, guys. Here's a new video from last night:
http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=1018_phonebook

AJ010
05-22-2005, 10:19 AM
Bet you were relieved when you finally ripped that **** up. :D

DieselWeasel
05-22-2005, 10:26 AM
Bet you were relieved when you finally ripped that **** up. :D

Yeah, it didn't take too long, but it wasn't as quick as I would've liked. That was a big PR for me because it was the first time that I tore through an entire phone book.

EDIT: Cricket_Fire, you can go **** yourself. You're a real big man, talking all kinds of **** about me on FI after I was banned.

Luke Whippo
05-22-2005, 12:20 PM
hey Diesel, I ripped a full deck on saturday for the first time fast, twice, at Smitty's house, dude, Smitty ripped 2-decks at once then ripped a deck longways, crazy, I did a write up in my journal about it, check it out man.

DieselWeasel
05-22-2005, 12:25 PM
hey Diesel, I ripped a full deck on saturday for the first time fast, twice, at Smitty's house, dude, Smitty ripped 2-decks at once then ripped a deck longways, crazy, I did a write up in my journal about it, check it out man.

Nice! My best is only 40 cards. :(

Holy crap. Those Diesel Crew guys are unbelievable. :eek:

tonguey
05-22-2005, 12:45 PM
I couldnt care less about your stupid neg reps. Ill neg rep you back if I feel like it. I still owe you one for the first time you neg repped me.

You just cant stand when someone doesnt agree with your methods and thats why youre gonna pay with a broken back one of these days.

And to the person that said hes not gonna blow out his back in one deadlift session a week. Youre wrong. Just check out his other video (the one where he tries to pull 425 and he fails), one pulling session like that a YEAR could **** up your back easily.

OH yeah! and dont you just find it hilarious that Cricket_fire talks **** about you on FI, yet he is the administrator at your AWESOME liftlikeacricket forum, where YOU the amazing "diesel The backsnapping weasel" moderate the PULLING section. hahahahahahahaha.

DieselWeasel
05-22-2005, 01:16 PM
tonguey, you're a ****in moron. I got banned from LiftingLikeACricket which was a terrible board that's never getting off the ground anyway.

Again, why are you still here?

Cricket_Fire
05-22-2005, 02:51 PM
tonguey, you're a ****in moron. I got banned from LiftingLikeACricket which was a terrible board that's never getting off the ground anyway.

Again, why are you still here?
Notice a trend here Diesel? 3 boards you're banned from eh? And btw, I have VG and Sgt.Rock modding my forum. Good replacement for you eh, Sgt.Rock for you?

Anyways, good luck with training. No need to get your journal locked because of flame-wars, so I'm just gonna leave.

P.S. I flamed you before you were banned, but you got banned before you could respond (if you could read, he banned you after my flame post).

Cricket_Fire
05-22-2005, 02:54 PM
OH yeah! and dont you just find it hilarious that Cricket_fire talks **** about you on FI, yet he is the administrator at your AWESOME liftlikeacricket forum, where YOU the amazing "diesel The backsnapping weasel" moderate the PULLING section. hahahahahahahaha.
He's been fired for in-appropriate behaviour on other boards.

DieselWeasel
05-22-2005, 02:58 PM
Notice a trend here Diesel? 3 boards you're banned from eh? And btw, I have VG and Sgt.Rock modding my forum. Good replacement for you eh, Sgt.Rock for you?

Anyways, good luck with training. No need to get your journal locked because of flame-wars, so I'm just gonna leave.

P.S. I flamed you before you were banned, but you got banned before you could respond (if you could read, he banned you after my flame post).

I hate when **** like this and tonguey's posts clutter my journal. The hyperlink to my phone book video probably got lost amongst all this garbage.


He's been fired for in-appropriate behaviour on other boards.

I was merely defending myself from the endless tirades and potshots directed at me.

tonguey
05-23-2005, 11:29 AM
Im here to bring some freakin sense into this stupid journal, where all your "fans" do is suck your balls and give you an even bigger head than you already have.

Gee, I wonder why you get banned from all these places. Even the place where you were a mod banned you. Thats gotta tell you something and if it doesnt, then youre not only misguided, youre also a retard.

DieselWeasel
05-23-2005, 12:44 PM
Im here to bring some freakin sense into this stupid journal, where all your "fans" do is suck your balls and give you an even bigger head than you already have.

Gee, I wonder why you get banned from all these places. Even the place where you were a mod banned you. Thats gotta tell you something and if it doesnt, then youre not only misguided, youre also a retard.

Didn't your mother tell you that if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all? In other words, shut the **** up.

tonguey
05-23-2005, 05:08 PM
What matters is that so many others have said it so I really dont need to repeat it. We all know whos the loser here and theres no use in telling the truth to you as opposed to just saying "good lifts bro" like all of your "friends" here.

DieselWeasel
05-23-2005, 05:53 PM
What matters is that so many others have said it so I really dont need to repeat it. We all know whos the loser here and theres no use in telling the truth to you as opposed to just saying "good lifts bro" like all of your "friends" here.

It's one thing to insult me, but don't talk trash about the people who post in my journal just because you're bitter about me ****ing your dad in the ass. :D

Tormented
05-23-2005, 08:54 PM
It's one thing to insult me, but don't talk trash about the people who post in my journal just because you're bitter about me ****ing your dad in the ass. :D

That's an interesting twist on the insult. lol

BRADP2
05-24-2005, 09:45 AM
What matters is that so many others have said it so I really dont need to repeat it.

Then why are you?

DieselWeasel
05-24-2005, 09:54 AM
Then why are you?

He can't answer that question.

tonguey
05-24-2005, 11:51 AM
I wasnt insulting your "friends". But they play a big part in you still not seeing things as they are. As long as theres just ONE person that "encourages" you for your "incredible lifts", youll be stuck where you are. (BRADP for example).

And how DARE you say that about my dad?! Im so hurt, Ive been crying ever since I read that. lmao.

I repeat myself over and over in an effort to see if the constant beating wears your ego down and you finally decide to do the right thing. Plus its fun to **** with you and your lil journal.

DieselWeasel
05-24-2005, 12:32 PM
I wasnt insulting your "friends". But they play a big part in you still not seeing things as they are. As long as theres just ONE person that "encourages" you for your "incredible lifts", youll be stuck where you are. (BRADP for example).

And how DARE you say that about my dad?! Im so hurt, Ive been crying ever since I read that. lmao.

I repeat myself over and over in an effort to see if the constant beating wears your ego down and you finally decide to do the right thing. Plus its fun to **** with you and your lil journal.

Were you bullied when you were younger?

Porky
05-24-2005, 12:51 PM
any news on the fbbc bag diesel?

i thought they say they will email you if there are any delays?

i wanna see some sick ass bending vids of urs.

BRADP2
05-24-2005, 01:30 PM
I

I repeat myself over and over in an effort to see if the constant beating wears your ego down and you finally decide to do the right thing.

Why have you taken this task upon yourself? And do you think you're going about it in the correct manner?

DieselWeasel
05-24-2005, 02:38 PM
any news on the fbbc bag diesel?

i thought they say they will email you if there are any delays?

i wanna see some sick ass bending vids of urs.

It still hasn't arrived and I need to contact them about what's going on with my order. :confused:

Don't worry. I will continue to post more strength training videos including bending. :)

DieselWeasel
05-25-2005, 07:43 PM
My 1200 page phone book tear took a while, so I was only able to record the end of it:
http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=1200_book

DieselWeasel
05-27-2005, 07:36 PM
I'm spent. I just did some bending:

whitex1
greenx1
yellowx0
two greensx0
two whitesx0 (grrr)
greenx4

total bent: 1 white and 5 greens

My yellow bend and double bends didn't go as well as I had hoped, so I turned it into a volume session.

Everything that I bent was done using a DO grip, just under my chin.

The bender's bag and the other items that I ordered from FBBC still haven't arrived in the mail and it's been over 6 weeks. I'm becoming impatient. :mad:

EDIT: I emailed the proprietor of FBBC about a minute ago regarding my order.

Porky
05-27-2005, 08:28 PM
damn those fbbc guys, they are evil.

diesel have u tried cutting ur whites and greens to 4'' pieces.

that should help u get to the yellow.

if u have enuff bend 4'' pieces to failure.

DieselWeasel
05-27-2005, 08:35 PM
damn those fbbc guys, they are evil.

diesel have u tried cutting ur whites and greens to 4'' pieces.

that should help u get to the yellow.

if u have enuff bend 4'' pieces to failure.

No, I don't have bolt cutters. Thanks for the suggestion though.

Porky
05-28-2005, 11:21 AM
No, I don't have bolt cutters. Thanks for the suggestion though.

use a hacksaw.

bending 4'' ers will help a lot

DieselWeasel
05-28-2005, 11:23 AM
use a hacksaw.

bending 4'' ers will help a lot

I'll see what I can do.

I'm still waiting on an email reply from the FBBC guys.

EDIT: I ordered a pair of bolt-cutters a minute ago from Amazon.com

Porky
05-28-2005, 12:15 PM
I'll see what I can do.

I'm still waiting on an email reply from the FBBC guys.

EDIT: I ordered a pair of bolt-cutters a minute ago from Amazon.com

nice they will come in handy when that fbbc bag comes.
u can cut that **** down. also for when u buy ur own stock in 12' lengths.

or incase you need to steal a bike :)

DieselWeasel
05-28-2005, 12:27 PM
or incase you need to steal a bike :)

You thief! ;)

BRADP2
05-28-2005, 12:30 PM
Do you workout with weights anymore? :D

Porky
05-28-2005, 12:40 PM
Do you workout with weights anymore? :D

bending and tearing is the new deadlift and squat ahha :)

DieselWeasel
05-28-2005, 12:43 PM
Do you workout with weights anymore? :D

Sure, I do. I'm lifting tomorrow with my friend Jose in his garage. I finally get to use a squat rack again, starting Tuesday, May 31.

Porky: Hell yeah! :D

BRADP2
05-28-2005, 09:59 PM
I didnt know you were in ther military DW...what branch?

Porky
05-28-2005, 09:59 PM
I didnt know you were in ther military DW...what branch?

SPRUCE TREE

aaahah omfg that made me laugh

BRADP2
05-28-2005, 10:01 PM
SPRUCE TREE

aaahah omfg that made me laugh
Porky, it took me about a full minute to get that, and I still didnt laugh.....:D

DieselWeasel
05-28-2005, 10:03 PM
I didnt know you were in ther military DW...what branch?

I was in Active Army. You're going into the USMC soon, right?

Porky: Now we have a comedian in my journal. ;)

Porky
05-28-2005, 10:04 PM
Porky, it took me about a full minute to get that, and I still didnt laugh.....:D

that just made me laugh more , stop it

BRADP2
05-28-2005, 10:05 PM
I was in Active Army. You're going into the USMC soon, right?

Porky: Now we have a comedian in my journal. ;)

Correct. You're only 22, you got in and out pretty damn quick, sure you had your reasons though. What was your MOS?

DieselWeasel
05-28-2005, 10:22 PM
Correct. You're only 22, you got in and out pretty damn quick, sure you had your reasons though. What was your MOS?

I had a two year contract and was on active duty for two years and four months, more or less, because of stop-loss while I was in Iraq.

My MOS was 19K (M1 Armor Crewman), but I also worked with logistics (before the deployment) and civil affairs (during the deployment.)

DieselWeasel
05-30-2005, 03:17 PM
05/29/05 - Push/Pull

Flat Db Bench Press
34sX8
54sX6
74sX6
84sX6
99sX5


Incline Db Bench Press
54sX6
74sX6
89sX6


Standing Db Clean and Press
34sX6
54sX6
69sX6

- 1 clean along with the specified amount of presses


One-Arm Db Row
94x6
114x6
134x6

- same number of reps per arm

P0W3RLIFT3R87
05-30-2005, 05:30 PM
Nice DB Benching and Rows. I'll have to follow your journal. By the way, thank you for serving our country.

DieselWeasel
05-30-2005, 05:35 PM
By the way, thank you for serving our country.

Thanks for reading my journal.

Oh and if I didn't mention it before, welcome to bb.com :)

BRADP2
05-30-2005, 06:13 PM
I was beginning to wonder whether you still worked out, nice lifts, you're catching up to me :D

DieselWeasel
05-30-2005, 06:38 PM
I was beginning to wonder whether you still worked out, nice lifts, you're catching up to me :D

I -will- surpass you! :mad: ;)

BRADP2
05-30-2005, 10:39 PM
I -will- surpass you! :mad: ;)
haha, no, im stronger than you on some stuff but you beat me on others, see my jounral :D

DieselWeasel
05-30-2005, 10:55 PM
haha, no, im stronger than you on some stuff but you beat me on others, see my jounral :D

I just checked it out. You're a lot taller than me! :eek:

I'm a short bastard. :D

BRADP2
05-31-2005, 07:54 AM
I just checked it out. You're a lot taller than me! :eek:

I'm a short bastard. :D
yeah, you are a bstard :D

DieselWeasel
05-31-2005, 08:26 PM
I did some grip work today:

I messed around with my CoC grippers for a couple of minutes, doing some light crush grip warmups. Then I looked over at a couple decks of cards and decided to do another tear instead of repping out with the #2 gripper. I was successful with 41 cards which was a 1 card PR -but- it took f o r e v e r ! ! :eek:

Here's a pic of the 41 cards after they were torn in half:

BRADP2
06-01-2005, 01:23 PM
11 cards to go bro, then another 52 to go :D

DieselWeasel
06-01-2005, 01:25 PM
11 cards to go bro, then another 52 to go :D

Two whole decks? Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

That would be insane.

BRADP2
06-01-2005, 01:26 PM
coward

DieselWeasel
06-01-2005, 01:27 PM
coward

:(

OK, I'll do it! :D

DieselWeasel
06-02-2005, 07:13 PM
06/02/05 - Legs/Shoulders

Barbell Squat
175x4
215x3
255x2
295x1
338X1
video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_squat_338


Zercher Rack Deadlift
1st Pin:
165x1
215x1
265x1

4th Pin:
330x1


Barbell Calf Raise
135x8
225x8
325x12


Viking Press* (new)
50x1
90x1
180x3
230x1

* All poundage does not include the empty squat machine.

- I also did a few dumbbell jerks with moderate weight.

Porky
06-02-2005, 07:40 PM
nice squat man, didnt hit the safeties like last time :).

u grinded that thing out.

you go down pretty quickly tho, maybe try working on going down slower on working sets, will probly help u out of the hole too because u wont have to stop all that momentum.

great pr tho man, good jb.

DieselWeasel
06-02-2005, 08:04 PM
nice squat man, didnt hit the safeties like last time :).

u grinded that thing out.

you go down pretty quickly tho, maybe try working on going down slower on working sets, will probly help u out of the hole too because u wont have to stop all that momentum.

great pr tho man, good jb.

Thanks, bro. Yeah, I'm trying to work on my descent speed.

BRADP2
06-02-2005, 11:02 PM
I want to see that zercher, and whats viking press. Nice squat

DieselWeasel
06-02-2005, 11:09 PM
I want to see that zercher, and whats viking press. Nice squat

Which zercher deadlift? Are you referring to the ZD from the 1st pin or 4th pin?

The viking press is almost exactly the same as the strongman event of the same name except I use a squat machine instead of the official apparatus.

BRADP2
06-02-2005, 11:14 PM
First pin

DieselWeasel
06-02-2005, 11:35 PM
First pin

Here you go:
http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_zercherDL_265

My form could've been better, but it's not terrible considering the bar is so close to the floor which makes the lift a lot more awkward than if it was higher, like the 4th pin.

Newbtime
06-03-2005, 04:08 AM
06/02/05 - Legs/Shoulders

Barbell Squat
175x4
215x3
255x2
295x1
338X1
video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_squat_338


Zercher Rack Deadlift
1st Pin:
165x1
215x1
265x1

4th Pin:
330x1


Barbell Calf Raise
135x8
225x8
325x12


Viking Press* (new)
50x1
90x1
180x3
230x1

* All poundage does not include the empty squat machine.

- I also did a few dumbbell jerks with moderate weight. Damn!nice squat i only squat 10lbs more then you, but i weigh 25 more lbs. Nice work man!:eek:

DieselWeasel
06-03-2005, 09:38 AM
Damn!nice squat i only squat 10lbs more then you, but i weigh 25 more lbs. Nice work man!:eek:

Yeah, but you're 16 and I'm 22.

Newbtime
06-03-2005, 02:29 PM
Yeah, but you're 16 and I'm 22.
Modest are we? :p

DieselWeasel
06-03-2005, 02:47 PM
Modest are we? :p

I'm serious.

Newbtime
06-03-2005, 03:58 PM
I'm serious.Your modest AND seriouse.

P0W3RLIFT3R87
06-03-2005, 05:46 PM
Nice Squat and Zercher Deadlifts.

BRADP2
06-03-2005, 06:44 PM
Do you always go sumo on zerchers?

Newbtime
06-03-2005, 06:46 PM
Do you always go sumo on zerchers?Lol, thats the only way you can do zerchers, try and do a conventional zercher you will fall on your face.

EDIT: scratch that i i tryed em conventional, but its really hard not to arch your back so many peeps prefer sumo.

BRADP2
06-03-2005, 07:08 PM
Lol, thats the only way you can do zerchers, try and do a conventional zercher you will fall on your face.

EDIT: scratch that i i tryed em conventional, but its really hard not to arch your back so many peeps prefer sumo.
I've done them not going sumo.

Newbtime
06-03-2005, 07:12 PM
I've done them not going sumo.Notice my edit?
;)

DieselWeasel
06-03-2005, 10:51 PM
BRADP2: I've never tried them with a conventional stance because I read that using a wide stance is the only way to properly perform them. Anyway, I do the zercher deadlifts mainly for the hamstrings and I think it hits the hams better when I use a wide stance.

P0W3RLIFT3R87: Thanks, strongwoman. :)

GmoneyJakee
06-04-2005, 07:36 AM
nice 338 squat, it gave ya a little fight there. but where did u come up with 338...why not just 340?

DieselWeasel
06-04-2005, 09:01 AM
nice 338 squat, it gave ya a little fight there. but where did u come up with 338...why not just 340?

Thanks. It was 338 instead of 340 because I was using two 45s and one 44lb bumper plate per side along with a 10 and 2.5 plate.

waitlifter82
06-04-2005, 10:58 AM
Nice squatting, DW!! Seem to have the same problem I do when maxing out. Ie. upper body collapsing a bit.... still, not too shabby!!

(also, sorry bout the comment made earlier in NSB's thread.... regretting that one)

GmoneyJakee
06-04-2005, 11:05 AM
Thanks. It was 338 instead of 340 because I was using two 45s and one 44lb bumper plate per side along with a 10 and 2.5 plate.

no prob, i didnt know they made 44lb bumper plates. very interesting.

DieselWeasel
06-04-2005, 11:14 AM
Nice squatting, DW!! Seem to have the same problem I do when maxing out. Ie. upper body collapsing a bit.... still, not too shabby!!

(also, sorry bout the comment made earlier in NSB's thread.... regretting that one)

Thanks. Yeah, max effort squats are tough as hell for me.

Don't worry about it. I was just surprised to see -you- join in on the DW bashing fiesta. But it's all good.

GmoneyJakee: Yeah, they're actually 44.1lbs, but I don't include the .1 in the poundage lifted.

GmoneyJakee
06-04-2005, 11:31 AM
u know why they just didnt create 45 lb bumper plates? i dunno i thought it would just seem to make more sence, but mabey thats just me

DieselWeasel
06-04-2005, 11:33 AM
u know why they just didnt create 45 lb bumper plates? i dunno i thought it would just seem to make more sence, but mabey thats just me

It -would- make more sense to make 45lb bumper plates, but it says 44.1 on it. Don't ask me why.

BRADP2
06-04-2005, 12:26 PM
I was just surprised to see -you- join in on the DW bashing fiesta. But it's all good.




Can i join it? What do I win?

DieselWeasel
06-04-2005, 12:28 PM
Can i join it? What do I win?

You can quite possibly win the garbage dick award. :D ;)

BRADP2
06-04-2005, 12:29 PM
You can quite possibly win the garbage dick award. :D ;)
Im a HS dropout, you're going to have to clarify that for me :D

DieselWeasel
06-04-2005, 12:31 PM
Im a HS dropout, you're going to have to clarify that for me :D

It was just a 'Going Greek' reference. :)

BRADP2
06-04-2005, 12:32 PM
It was just a 'Going Greek' reference. :)
Still not with you....Going greek? I have a 10th grade GED, cut me some slack :D.

Porky
06-04-2005, 12:47 PM
u know why they just didnt create 45 lb bumper plates? i dunno i thought it would just seem to make more sence, but mabey thats just me

20kg x 2.20462262 = 44.0924524 which rounds to 44.1

they are 20kg plates :) aka 44.1 lbs

DieselWeasel
06-04-2005, 01:29 PM
20kg x 2.20462262 = 44.0924524 which rounds to 44.1

they are 20kg plates :) aka 44.1 lbs

NOW it makes sense. :)

BRADP2: Going Greek was a recent college fraternity movie.

Five
06-05-2005, 06:53 AM
You got stapled by that squat and you didn't reach parallel, other than that it was perfect.

Also your form on the zercher was terrible, you rebent your knees half way up.

DieselWeasel
06-05-2005, 08:58 AM
You got stapled by that squat and you didn't reach parallel, other than that it was perfect.

Also your form on the zercher was terrible, you rebent your knees half way up.

How did I get "stapled" by the squat? That doesn't make sense.

I didn't reach parallel? Click on the pic below.

Have you ever done the zercher deadlift? It's a two step process, just like stone loading. Try it sometime and then get back to me.

BRADP2
06-05-2005, 10:03 AM
Look at his hip position, if thats not paralell, I've been doing quarter squats. :confused:

Halfway
06-05-2005, 10:05 AM
those are 2 of the best DW vids ever, defintiely going to be eagerly browsing this thread for updates on your progress.

If I incoporated your style of zerchers into my workout, do you think it would help me break past my deadlifting sticking point?

BRADP2
06-05-2005, 10:10 AM
those are 2 of the best DW vids ever, defintiely going to be eagerly browsing this thread for updates on your progress.

If I incoporated your style of zerchers into my workout, do you think it would help me break past my deadlifting sticking point?
Are you strong off the floor or lockout?

DieselWeasel
06-05-2005, 10:21 AM
those are 2 of the best DW vids ever, defintiely going to be eagerly browsing this thread for updates on your progress.

If I incoporated your style of zerchers into my workout, do you think it would help me break past my deadlifting sticking point?

Thanks.

If your weakness or sticking point is the first half of the lift, from the floor to knees, then it should help. However, I do the zercher deadlift mostly for hamstring strength.

BRADP2: Exactly. The squat pic clearly shows that I was parallel.

DieselWeasel
06-05-2005, 08:38 PM
Tearing

600+ pages
1300 pages

Newbtime
06-05-2005, 09:25 PM
How did I get "stapled" by the squat?
It was too much weight, you wernt strong enough, Thats how.

im going to frank, you got pinned major,your spotter lifter a good 15% of that weight,and if he didnt why did he have to replace his foot to get leverage if he wasnt helping? Denie it if you want but its too much weight, im no flaming you at all but i think you should really consider doing some low box squats. Granted this is a big improvement form your 300 lb squat vid it needs more work. Also just a quick question, if the spoter wasnt helping you, why do you even have a spotter? your in a power rack...

In my opinion you need to start training to get stronger not to stroke your ego.

DieselWeasel
06-05-2005, 09:48 PM
It was too much weight, you wernt strong enough, Thats how.

im going to frank, you got pinned major,your spotter lifter a good 15% of that weight,and if he didnt why did he have to replace his foot to get leverage if he wasnt helping? Denie it if you want but its too much weight, im no flaming you at all but i think you should really consider doing some low box squats. Granted this is a big improvement form your 300 lb squat vid it needs more work. Also just a quick question, if the spoter wasnt helping you, why do you even have a spotter? your in a power rack...

In my opinion you need to start training to get stronger not to stroke your ego.

You don't need to believe me, but that's the truth. There was no assistance, whatsoever. His foot placement changed because he wasn't close enough to provide a proper spot. One should have a spotter regardless of whether one is outside or inside of a squat rack for safety purposes.

Newbtime
06-05-2005, 10:13 PM
You don't need to believe me, but that's the truth. There was no assistance, whatsoever. His foot placement changed because he wasn't close enough to provide a proper spot. One should have a spotter regardless of whether one is outside or inside of a squat rack for safety purposes.Alright i guess ill take your word for it, but next time if you post a vid of a new pr try to ask the spotter not to get so close, it makes it a little confusing and may avoid some flamage :)

P.S ive looked through your journle for some bench vids of yours and i couldnt find any, you have any?

DieselWeasel
06-05-2005, 10:16 PM
Alright i guess ill take your word for it, but next time if you post a vid of a new pr try to ask the spotter not to get so close, it makes it a little confusing and may avoid some flamage :)

P.S ive looked through your journle for some bench vids of yours and i couldnt find any, you have any?

I will try to do 225lb and 240lb bench press videos on Tuesday or Wednesday along with a 415x3 deadlift video.

Newbtime
06-05-2005, 10:45 PM
I will try to do 225lb and 240lb bench press videos on Tuesday or Wednesday along with a 415x3 deadlift video.
Awesome, just remember one thing.





**** THE WEIGHT UP!!!!





pun intended :D

DieselWeasel
06-05-2005, 10:49 PM
Awesome, just remember one thing.





**** THE WEIGHT UP!!!!





pun intended :D

Nah, I hope it will be a little more smooth than that. :)

BRADP2
06-05-2005, 11:08 PM
are u drunk in that tearing pic

DieselWeasel
06-05-2005, 11:18 PM
are u drunk in that tearing pic

No, why? Does it look like I'm drunk? :confused:

Newbtime
06-06-2005, 09:52 AM
No, why? Does it look like I'm drunk? :confused:No comment :D.

Porky
06-06-2005, 12:20 PM
No, why? Does it look like I'm drunk? :confused:

man i got an old phonebook, not sure how thick or how many pages but its a beast. gonna give it a go this weak after i read up on some form tips. etc.

also i think in ur squat vid u need to try and set back more.

did it come yet?

BRADP2
06-06-2005, 01:02 PM
I dont know, you look hammered, just look at the pic

DieselWeasel
06-06-2005, 01:58 PM
man i got an old phonebook, not sure how thick or how many pages but its a beast. gonna give it a go this weak after i read up on some form tips. etc.

also i think in ur squat vid u need to try and set back more.

did it come yet?

Post your phone book tearing results in your journal. Also, try to look and see how many pages are in it and/or measure the thickness with a ruler.

My FBBC order hasn't arrived yet but I did get my bolt cutters in the mail today. I already cut two pieces of 3/16" steel down to 4.5" and very slightly under 4.0" (I was trying to cut one to exactly 4.0" and came very close to what I wanted.)

BRADP2: I looked at the pic again and I look stone cold sober.

DieselWeasel
06-06-2005, 03:44 PM
Bending

white nail (6" x 3/16") - 1
green nail (5" x 3/16") - 1
4.5" x 3/16" - 1
3.87" x 3/16" - 1
yellow nail (7" x 1/4") - 0 <= I don't think I had enough strength left after the first four bends. Hopefully, I can bend it after a couple of warmup pieces, next time.

Here is a pic of the 3.87" x 3/16" piece:

Newbtime
06-07-2005, 07:07 AM
Bending

white nail (6" x 3/16") - 1
green nail (5" x 3/16") - 1
4.5" x 3/16" - 1
3.87" x 3/16" - 1
yellow nail (7" x 1/4") - 0 <= I don't think I had enough strength left after the first four bends. Hopefully, I can bend it after a couple of warmup pieces, next time.

Here is a pic of the 3.87" x 3/16" piece:Good stuff man, haveyou read that Dieselcrew article on bending? If you havnt you gotta check it out i went from barley bendin a yellow to destroying one once i found the form that was good for me.

Also dont foget to do some levering use a sledge hammer or a dumbell. Front levering back levering etc.

http://dieselcrew.com/articles/gregdavebend2.pdf

DieselWeasel
06-07-2005, 08:49 AM
Good stuff man, haveyou read that Dieselcrew article on bending? If you havnt you gotta check it out i went from barley bendin a yellow to destroying one once i found the form that was good for me.

Also dont foget to do some levering use a sledge hammer or a dumbell. Front levering back levering etc.

http://dieselcrew.com/articles/gregdavebend2.pdf

Yeah, I read that article shortly after it was posted on their website.

The sledge levering is a good way to get better at bending but it's been a while since I did it. I will definately be doing more of that soon.

Newbtime
06-07-2005, 09:55 AM
yellow nail (7" x 1/4") - 0 Just thought i would give you some motivation/rub it in your face :D.

DieselWeasel
06-07-2005, 10:29 AM
Just thought i would give you some motivation/rub it in your face :D.

Bastard! ;)

Newbtime
06-07-2005, 10:43 AM
Bastard! ;)Hey dont hate ,appreciate,.besides youll be there in no time :D. But damn i just got me IM bag today, youu see them red ones?! Looks un bendable!:eek: but that just makes me want to bend it even sooner now :D.

DieselWeasel
06-07-2005, 11:18 AM
Hey dont hate ,appreciate,.besides youll be there in no time :D. But damn i just got me IM bag today, youu see them red ones?! Looks un bendable!:eek: but that just makes me want to bend it even sooner now :D.

Yeah, the reds look like monsters.

DieselWeasel
06-08-2005, 10:55 PM
06/07/05 - Pull

My last deadlift day was 25 days before this one or basically one month. I didn't realize this until I was mostly done lifting.

My right hand ripped open during the deadlifts. Click on the pic below for a fleshy surprise. :D

Conventional Deadlift
155x6
245x2
325x1
375x1
415x2.5
415x1
415x1

- My training partner was encouraging me to perform extra sets with 415, so I said WTF and did it. :)


Sumo Deadlift
135x3
225x3
315x3
365x1
385x1
405x0
395x0

- This was the first time that I did these since my high school days.


One-Arm Pull-Up

- I did a bunch of partials with my free hand behind my back.


06/08/05 - Bending

I finally got my FBBC order in the mail today and decided to do some bending with my hand wrapped and taped.

All of the bends listed below are FBBC stock.

3/16" Round
7.0" - 1
6.0" - 1
5.5" - 1
5.0" - 1


Grade 2 Bolt
6.0" x 1/4" - 0


3/16" Square
6.0" - 0
7.0" - 1

waitlifter82
06-09-2005, 07:27 AM
not too shabby there.... forgot to post the "fleshy pic":)

P0W3RLIFT3R87
06-09-2005, 08:18 AM
Nice Deadlifts. Do you usually deadlift only once a month?

Halfway
06-09-2005, 08:33 AM
no video this time?

DieselWeasel
06-09-2005, 10:00 AM
Nice Deadlifts. Do you usually deadlift only once a month?

I try to deadlift once per week but the college weight room was closed for a while so I wasn't able to deadlift. BTW, I'm attempting a 420x2 deadlift, next pull day. I will post video of it unless my form sucks.

Halfway: No, but I'm going to try to do a bench press video, later today.

waitlifter82: I thought I included the pic. Here it is:

Newbtime
06-09-2005, 11:04 AM
I thought I included the pic. Here it is:how did you cut your hand bending 3/16 stuff? are you wraping your nails right?..


Blue wrapped in im pads...

EDIT: i knew i should of read your last post efore makin this post, chalk them hands up when pullin next time man :D.

Porky
06-09-2005, 12:12 PM
how did you cut your hand bending 3/16 stuff? are you wraping your nails right?..


Blue wrapped in im pads...

EDIT: i knew i should of read your last post efore makin this post, chalk them hands up when pullin next time man :D.

:) ye he ripped it deadlifting

and chalk increases the chance of skin tear because chalk dries the hands therefor increasing friction therefore increasing chance of skin tearing.

Newbtime
06-09-2005, 12:16 PM
:) ye he ripped it deadlifting

and chalk increases the chance of skin tear because chalk dries the hands therefor increasing friction therefore increasing chance of skin tearing.Oh well, he must have girly hands then :D.

DieselWeasel
06-09-2005, 06:50 PM
Oh well, he must have girly hands then :D.

Whatever! :mad: :)

DieselWeasel
06-09-2005, 09:23 PM
06/09/05 - Push

It was hot as hell in the weight room today. I felt like I was lifting back in Iraq. :eek:

Flat Barbell Bench Press
135x6
155x4
185x1
205x1
225x2* (+1 rep)

* My training partner gave me a little assistance with the second rep.

video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_bench_225x2


Viking Press
90x4
180x1
250x0
240x1 (+10lbs)
250x0

video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_viking_240x1


Barbell Floor Press (new)
95x4
115x2
135x2
185x1
205x2

video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_floor_205x2

Newbtime
06-09-2005, 09:37 PM
06/09/05 - Push

It was hot as hell in the weight room today. I felt like I was lifting back in Iraq. :eek:

Flat Barbell Bench Press
135x6
155x4
185x1
205x1
225x2* (+1 rep)

* My training partner gave me a little assistance with the second rep.

video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_bench_225x2


Viking Press
90x4
180x1
250x0
240x1 (+10lbs)
250x0

video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_viking_240x1


Barbell Floor Press (new)
95x4
115x2
135x2
185x1
205x2

video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_floor_205x2
Lookin good.

just a few things i noticed;

you seem to be weak off your chest, and your bar speed is pretty slow.

Pause press
speed work
practice leg drive
work lats
pin presses
bodybuilder bench press(arms flaired to target chest)
Cambered bar bench with 2 board

should help take care of that.

also i noticed your legs shaking quiet a bit in the lift, i think if you tuck your legs back it might take care of this, Becuase you need to stay tight.

Also have you even considered arching? that might help your off the chest strength.

Cause this si what i dont like seeing, is people trying to muscle the weight and not stay in groove, powerlifting requirs alot of technique.

Dont mean to pry just a few things i think wil help your lifting :).

DieselWeasel
06-09-2005, 09:42 PM
Lookin good.

just a few things i noticed;

you seem to be weak off your chest.

Pause press
speed work
practice leg drive
work lats
pin presses
bodybuilder bench press(arms flaired to target chest)
Cambered bar bench with 2 board

should help take care of that.

also i noticed your legs shaking quiet a bit in the lift, i think if you tuck your legs back it might take care of this.

Also have you even considered arching? that might help your off the chest strength.

Dont mean to pry just a few things i think wil help your lifting :).

Thanks for the advice. You are definately correct. My lockout strength is great but I need to work on the start of the lift from my chest.

swollix
06-09-2005, 10:33 PM
GET THE SPOTTER'S HANDS OFF THE BAR!!! WHO KNOWS HOW MUCH WEIGHT HE TOOK OFF EVEN THE FIRST LIFT! WHY ARE YOU WEARING A BELT TOO? Also it looks like you lack control, and you let the bar come down too fast.

Newbtime
06-09-2005, 10:38 PM
GET THE SPOTTER'S HANDS OFF THE BAR!!! WHO KNOWS HOW MUCH WEIGHT HE TOOK OFF EVEN THE FIRST LIFT! WHY ARE YOU WEARING A BELT TOO? Also it looks like you lack control, and you let the bar come down too fast.

spotters hands on the bar is more safe.

He doese.

Hes wearing a belt to stay tight and keep in groove, or help try to atleast :D:);)

the faster somthing comes down the faster it goese up, learn some physics :).

DieselWeasel
06-09-2005, 11:39 PM
GET THE SPOTTER'S HANDS OFF THE BAR!!! WHO KNOWS HOW MUCH WEIGHT HE TOOK OFF EVEN THE FIRST LIFT! WHY ARE YOU WEARING A BELT TOO? Also it looks like you lack control, and you let the bar come down too fast.

I almost always have the spotter's hands on the bar when handling heavy poundage for the rare situation where I lose control of the bar. It's a safety precaution.

I'm wearing a belt because I read in 'The Kennelly Method' that I should use it when I bench press and my training partner agrees with the 800lb bench press specialist.

I admit that the lowering of the first rep should've been slower but the lowering of the second rep was better.

big_baller
06-10-2005, 12:24 AM
sorry can't take this... The bench clip was too far.

I've stayed out of your journal for a long time, but you need to take my advice here.

Bench....

First of all, the spotter was too close... he was touching the bar for most of the time... no lift. There's a close spot and there's a 2 man bench and that was a 2 man bench.

Watch your legs... they shake around like crazy, you need to stay controlled otherwise you can pull your back out.

The decent on the first rep went down too fast.... you tried bouncing it and that was very dodgey. Oldtime....that comment about physics...just don't. In fact it looked as if it was thrown down. You need to bring it out... get yourself set then start the decent...otherwise you'll throw your shoulders out.

Your right on the belt point....however i don't think you need to stay tight with the weights your using... bring the belt in when you get a good clean 250 bench.

Your ass also came off the bench.

I thought your spotter looked experienced with his arms...but then i saw his legs sooo it made a little more sense.

If i was you, i'd drop the weight to about 210 and do a nice clean double with that and work up again... take this day as a learning experience and even if you know you can do the weight... please just drop the weight and do it properly.

DieselWeasel
06-10-2005, 01:28 AM
sorry can't take this... The bench clip was too far.

I've stayed out of your journal for a long time, but you need to take my advice here.

Bench....

First of all, the spotter was too close... he was touching the bar for most of the time... no lift. There's a close spot and there's a 2 man bench and that was a 2 man bench.

Watch your legs... they shake around like crazy, you need to stay controlled otherwise you can pull your back out.

The decent on the first rep went down too fast.... you tried bouncing it and that was very dodgey. Oldtime....that comment about physics...just don't. In fact it looked as if it was thrown down. You need to bring it out... get yourself set then start the decent...otherwise you'll throw your shoulders out.

Your right on the belt point....however i don't think you need to stay tight with the weights your using... bring the belt in when you get a good clean 250 bench.

Your ass also came off the bench.

I thought your spotter looked experienced with his arms...but then i saw his legs sooo it made a little more sense.

If i was you, i'd drop the weight to about 210 and do a nice clean double with that and work up again... take this day as a learning experience and even if you know you can do the weight... please just drop the weight and do it properly.

I disagree with you on various issues.

It was not a "2 man bench" because he only gave me a little assistance with the second rep and his fingertips were barely grazing the bar during the whole set.

I'm NOT dropping to a double with 210 because I've done that in the past and I don't repeat the same poundage with the same amount of reps. I did 205x4 the last time that I did the flat barbell bench press which was about three weeks before the one that I just did.

I didn't try to -intentionally- bounce the bar. That happened because my descent was too fast.

I watched and re-watched the video numerous times and my ass does not leave the bench.

Now you're talking trash about my training partner? That's not cool, especially considering that he probably uses your 1RM squat as his warmup weight and goes beyond parallel with every rep.

big_baller
06-10-2005, 02:04 AM
pffft leave my squat out of this.

define a 2 man bench.....yes a bench done by two people...if he touched the bar..then the bench was done by two people...correct?

Your decent was fast... correct it.

your legs moved around soo much... why?

Show me a bench clip of you doing 205x4 in a rack...without a spot.

ChuckTaylor
06-10-2005, 02:38 AM
Back the weight off 20%.
Learn to plant your feet.
Do the reps on your own.

Danimal
06-10-2005, 04:48 AM
You can see the spotters arms tensing- he's assisting with the lift. You have a ton of form issues but I won't offer any advice since you have indicated in the past that you don't want it. Once again, I'll say that all of us with the exception of the kids who hang from your balls would be WAY more impressed with you if you checked your ego at the door and used a weight you could do with good form and in control.

On the floor press- it was hard to see because of the plates- do your triceps come in contact with the floor before the bar hits the rack pins? If not, thats not really a floor press. You want your triceps to rest/pause on the floor and then press up, with the weight being held the entire time, not resting on the rack pins.

Oldtime- the comments about physics are way wrong. You want the descent slower and in complete control so you can touch the bar exactly where you want. Then pause, and explode up. Going down fast is not going to let you control the bar and when you pause, you lose any momentum you gained in the 1st place.

Cricket_Fire
06-10-2005, 07:23 AM
Oldtime- the comments about physics are way wrong. You want the descent slower and in complete control so you can touch the bar exactly where you want. Then pause, and explode up. Going down fast is not going to let you control the bar and when you pause, you lose any momentum you gained in the 1st place.
Right, you have to waste force slowing it down that you could otherwise put towards pressing it up.

Newbtime
06-10-2005, 08:17 AM
. Oldtime....that comment about physics...just don't.
Actualy it is true thought, George halbert westside videos... :).
Now granted he shouldnt be doing this because it isnt speed work, if its the wayhe wants to bench i dont care. Because we've all all seen what has happened in the past when we tryed to get him to change his form.

P0W3RLIFT3R87
06-10-2005, 08:30 AM
06/09/05 - Push

It was hot as hell in the weight room today. I felt like I was lifting back in Iraq. :eek:

Flat Barbell Bench Press
135x6
155x4
185x1
205x1
225x2* (+1 rep)

* My training partner gave me a little assistance with the second rep.

video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_bench_225x2


Viking Press
90x4
180x1
250x0
240x1 (+10lbs)
250x0

video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_viking_240x1


Barbell Floor Press (new)
95x4
115x2
135x2
185x1
205x2

video: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=max_floor_205x2

Watched the bench press clip. You're spotter was close, but that was not a two-man bench. Descent was too fast in my opinion, but the first rep was decent. It does not look assisted, though the spotter did keep his hands touching the bar. You should probably ask him to make sure he follows the bar and keep his hands just under it instead. Would make it less controversial, at least on video. The second rep was assisted on the bottom, so I don't think that would count as a 225x2 bench. It was 225x1+1Assist. I do think you are pretty close to doubling 225 though. I think you should try to keep your elbows in a bit more and go a bit lower on your chest, which would allow you to use more triceps strength, since you are weak off the chest it may help. Good try for 225x2 either way. You'll get it soon.

Newbtime
06-10-2005, 08:43 AM
Watched the bench press clip. You're spotter was close, but that was not a two-man bench. Descent was too fast in my opinion, but the first rep was decent. It does not look assisted, though the spotter did keep his hands touching the bar. You should probably ask him to make sure he follows the bar and keep his hands just under it instead. Would make it less controversial, at least on video. The second rep was assisted on the bottom, so I don't think that would count as a 225x2 bench. It was 225x1+1Assist. I do think you are pretty close to doubling 225 though. I think you should try to keep your elbows in a bit more and go a bit lower on your chest, which would allow you to use more triceps strength, since you are weak off the chest it may help. Good try for 225x2 either way. You'll get it soon.In my opinion you should have respect for his journle and not flame in it,bash in it, drag one topic out for a long period of time.

It was a two man bench on the sceond rep definatly.
Descent was extremely fast he didnt even pause when he unracked it.
It doese look assisted.

I have already given him very good advice IMO and he hasnt taken it, i dont think he will take anybody else's. Reguardless of credibility.

P0W3RLIFT3R87
06-10-2005, 08:54 AM
In my opinion you should have respect for his journle and not flame in it,bash in it, drag one topic out for a long period of time.

Since when did I do any of those things? I have not disrespected anyone on this website and I only posted once. Apparently I congratulated him on the attempt.

Newbtime
06-10-2005, 08:55 AM
Since when did I do any of those things? I have not disrespected anyone on this website and I only posted once. Apparently I congratulated him on the attempt.THat part was not directed to you bur more so directed to everyone.

DieselWeasel
06-10-2005, 09:14 AM
On the floor press- it was hard to see because of the plates- do your triceps come in contact with the floor before the bar hits the rack pins? If not, thats not really a floor press. You want your triceps to rest/pause on the floor and then press up, with the weight being held the entire time, not resting on the rack pins.

Yes, the second pin is the lowest setting that would be possible for my particular body. My triceps were literally about half an inch above the ground at the start of the lift. If I do another floor press video, I will try to get a better angle to remove any doubts.

Oldtime: I never said that my spotter did not assist me during the second rep, but he didn't do the rep for me. He helped me a little with my sticking point (just above the chest) but not much more than that.

When have you ever given me advice which I did not take? You gave me suggestions to help my strength from the chest and I thanked you for it. What's your problem?

Newbtime
06-10-2005, 09:18 AM
Yes, the second pin is the lowest setting that would be possible for my particular body. My triceps were literally about half an inch above the ground at the start of the lift.

Oldtime: I never said that my spotter did not assist me during the second rep, but he didn't do the rep for me.

When have you ever given me advice which I did not take? You gave me suggestions to help my strength from the chest and I thanked you for it. What's your problem?
IT seemed like you kinda blew off my advice for training off your chest, who knows, i guess i misinterpretted you.

DieselWeasel
06-10-2005, 09:21 AM
IT seemed like you kinda blew off my advice for training off your chest, who knows, i guess i misinterpretted you.

You definitely misinterpreted me. Read my original reply again, you'll see.

Danimal
06-10-2005, 09:55 AM
Yes, the second pin is the lowest setting that would be possible for my particular body. My triceps were literally about half an inch above the ground at the start of the lift. If I do another floor press video, I will try to get a better angle to remove any doubts.


That would be an ideal lift to use the spotter then. You want your upper arm to rest/pause on the floor, not have the bar rest on the pins. I have the same issue with my cage here at home, the bottom pin is just a little too high to do it right.

BPP
06-10-2005, 09:55 AM
yeah, when you bring the bench out from rack, pause a second to show control at the top, and have a controlled descent

like PL said, elbows in a bit and lower(i go to upper ribs/lower pecs) and it'll help some too...and even if its heavy, keep your feet planted and STILL! drive up with them, not dance around, keeps you better stabilized to push through it :)

viking press->not bad, has to be weird with the thick grip tho...try using the support handles, alot of viking press nowadays is the barbell type handle anymore

DieselWeasel
06-10-2005, 10:05 AM
That would be an ideal lift to use the spotter then. You want your upper arm to rest/pause on the floor, not have the bar rest on the pins. I have the same issue with my cage here at home, the bottom pin is just a little too high to do it right.

Would it not be more difficult when starting from the pins because there is no momentum to help me? That's what I always thought.

Will floor presses help my bench press, considering my weak point is from the chest or a little higher than the chest?

BPP: Thanks for the advice, officer. :)

BPP
06-10-2005, 10:11 AM
Will floor presses help my bench press, considering my weak point is from the chest or a little higher than the chest?



maybe some, but id do more DE work...speed and explosive work...paused work...etc..band work

Danimal
06-10-2005, 10:18 AM
Would it not be more difficult when starting from the pins because there is no momentum to help me? That's what I always thought.

Will floor presses help my bench press, considering my weak point is from the chest or a little higher than the chest?



Doing it from the pins makes it more like a pin press than a true floor press. You could get the same effect by laying on the bench with the pins set to stop the bar the same place you are stopping by doing them on the floor. The only thing you gain by doing it on the floor is taking leg drive out of the equation. The floor press is supposed to do just that- take your legs out, but you really should do them so your upper arm hits the ground. They are just as hard when you do them that way, and you have to control the weight the entire time. Resting on the pins takes the load off of you and puts it on the rack.

How far down the bar comes to your chest will determine what range the floor press will help. If you are thin and have long forearms, it might be like a 3 board press. In that case, they aren't going to work the bottom end for you. For me the bar stops about an inch from my chest. If thats where it stops for you, then yes, they will work your bottom end. Floor press is good because you really need to use your delts and triceps to get the bar up. For off the chest, there are other lifts you can do that are just as good- pause press, db bench with palms facing, cambered bar press, extra wide grip bench. (don't max on those, keep the sets to 5 or so). Working your traps and lats hard will help too, if nothing else but to give you a stronger base and some extra thickness which will reduce your range of motion.

DieselWeasel
06-10-2005, 10:20 AM
maybe some, but id do more DE work...speed and explosive work...paused work...etc..band work

I don't have access to bands but I can do speed and pause work.

Danimal: OK, thanks for the tips.

Halfway
06-10-2005, 11:12 AM
I wonder if you'd take my advice

Drop the weight to 180 and lose the spotter. Go down nice slow, tense your lats and keep tight, touch for a second then fire the weight up and back in a slight arc. Keep your feet planted and you dont need to use a belt.

:)

DieselWeasel
06-10-2005, 12:21 PM
I wonder if you'd take my advice

Drop the weight to 180 and lose the spotter. Go down nice slow, tense your lats and keep tight, touch for a second then fire the weight up and back in a slight arc. Keep your feet planted and you dont need to use a belt.

:)

I'm not lowering the weight when I bench press, maybe when I do other exercises such as pause press, speed bench, floor press, pin press, etc.

You're not supposed to bring the weight up and back in an arc.

BRADP2
06-10-2005, 04:02 PM
So viking press is a machine push press basically? Also kind of similar to a jammer press

Gr8Ape
06-11-2005, 08:46 AM
hey diesel how have you been training?

DieselWeasel
06-11-2005, 08:59 AM
So viking press is a machine push press basically? Also kind of similar to a jammer press

Yeah, basically. It's really cool. You should try it. :)

Gr8Ape: I don't understand the question.


I did some card tearing, last night. I tried to make a video but the battery died and I didn't have the charger with me.

21 cards
42 cards

Gr8Ape
06-11-2005, 09:09 AM
oh **** talk about a typo lol

how LONG have you been lifting? haha

DieselWeasel
06-11-2005, 09:13 AM
oh **** talk about a typo lol

how LONG have you been lifting? haha

I first started lifting when I was in high school, but I was in the Army for over two years and that prevented me from lifting regularly because of deployments and training, both in basic and in the field.

AJ010
06-11-2005, 09:35 AM
No offense bro, but I do have to admit that bench form wasn't beautiful. You didn't display the best form. You need to hold the weight at the top when you first unrack it for at least a second. You pulled a "swollix", which is defined as dropping the weight instantly. Don't come down as fast either. As for the spotter's hands, that's not a good explanation you gave in my opinion. You will be just as safe with the spotter's hands a few inches below the bar. Don't have the spotter touching the bar. Listen to everyone else's advice though. Not flaming you bro, I'm just telling you what I think.

DieselWeasel
06-11-2005, 09:47 AM
No offense bro, but I do have to admit that bench form wasn't beautiful. You didn't display the best form. You need to hold the weight at the top when you first unrack it for at least a second. You pulled a "swollix", which is defined as dropping the weight instantly. Don't come down as fast either. As for the spotter's hands, that's not a good explanation you gave in my opinion. You will be just as safe with the spotter's hands a few inches below the bar. Don't have the spotter touching the bar. Listen to everyone else's advice though. Not flaming you bro, I'm just telling you what I think.

BTW CapnSeaMonkey(Yeah, that ***got reading this journal from FI), I never said his dl form was impeccable. I also definately did not say he could pull 455 for a double. Stop pulling **** out of your ass, cocksucker. And compare his 350x3 deadlift video to his 405x4 deadlift video. You can CLEARLY see he has improved. If you deny that, especially because the evidence is clear and right in front of you, then you are one ignorant *******.

Thanks for the objective analysis. Yeah, I definately need to improve my descent speed and strength from the chest. I will be sure to tell my spotter not to have his hands on the bar, but very close to it.

Those FI bitches never quit, do they?

AJ010
06-11-2005, 09:52 AM
Thanks for the objective analysis. Yeah, I definately need to improve my descent speed and strength from the chest. I will be sure to tell my spotter not to have his hands on the bar, but very close to it.

Those FI bitches never quit, do they?

If you're gonna post any more bench videos, I would just keep the spotters hands a good few inches from the bar. Very close to the bar will look like touching on video.

Dynamic Effort Bench, 1 and 2 board presses, reverse grip bench, CG bench, Incline Bench, CG incline, Decline, floor press, CG floor press, pause bench, etc. Vary up your exercises. Throw some of those in for assistance too.

They have a sick, demented obsession with you. I can understand why somewhat, but that doesn't excuse the fact that they are insanely obsessed with you.

KillswitchNgage
06-11-2005, 12:39 PM
***Asinine BS comments***


***More crap***

And compare his 350x3 deadlift video to his 405x4 deadlift video. You can CLEARLY see he has improved. If you deny that, especially because the evidence is clear and right in front of you, then you are one ignorant *******.

There was no improvement. He still hitched like a mofo and his form still sucked, end of story.

And you're right us "FI bitches" never stop. We tried to help this kid and he rejected the help that we offered. In fact, every other serious and reputable strength training forum tried to help him and he still rejected the help.

FortifiedIron
06-11-2005, 12:40 PM
DW.. you know your vids are on SEVERAL SITES.. on the "Dont be like this idiot"

The funny part is you dont listen to people when they try to help you, however you **** on them with the "Im a billy badass and dont need help"

Btw.. here is how you deadlift!

http://168.144.38.254/deads27.wmv
625x2..@220
http://168.144.38.254/deads26.wmv
605x3...@220

Kc

DieselWeasel
06-11-2005, 12:48 PM
There was no improvement. He still hitched like a mofo and his form still sucked, end of story.

And you're right us "FI bitches" never stop. We tried to help this kid and he rejected the help that we offered. In fact, every other serious and reputable strength training forum tried to help him and he still rejected the help.

"this kid" ? I'm three years older than your punk ass.

Go the hell back to your ****ty board.

FortifiedIron: Your site and username should be renamed ****in Ignorant, not Fortified Iron.

You're both correct. I don't accept "help" from people that make posts such as, "I hope he breaks his spine" etc.

Read the past three or four pages in this training journal and tell me that I don't accept the help of people who are not total pricks, such as yourself.

KillswitchNgage
06-11-2005, 12:52 PM
I say "kid" because you are one of the most immature people I have ever had the disprivelige of sharing this little microverse we call the internet. I've taken dumps that have had more intelligence. You just added fuel to the fire by leaving a negative rep with the comment of "**** you bitch", yeah real mature.

I never left a comment that said, "I hope this guy breaks his spine". In fact, if you went back and looked at the criticism I left you, then you would realize that it was actually constructive, out of all of the people bashing you I offered some advice, out of kindness and generosity. But it looks like you're never going to use it, so have fun kid.

AJ010
06-11-2005, 12:59 PM
There was no improvement. He still hitched like a mofo and his form still sucked, end of story.

And you're right us "FI bitches" never stop. We tried to help this kid and he rejected the help that we offered. In fact, every other serious and reputable strength training forum tried to help him and he still rejected the help.

What the hell are you talking about? Watch both videos, and you will CLEARLY see the difference. He hitches MUCH less in the 405x4 video. It's painfully obvious that he has improved. I really don't know how else I can put it to you, if you can not see it with your own eyes...

If he fails to understand the lesson you try to teach him, then that's his own fault and suffering.

FortifiedIron
06-11-2005, 01:00 PM
"this kid" ? I'm three years older than your punk ass.

Go the hell back to your ****ty board.

FortifiedIron: Your site and username should be renamed ****in Ignorant, not Fortified Iron.

You're both correct. I don't accept "help" from people that make posts such as, "I hope he breaks his spine" etc.

Read the past three or four pages in this training journal and tell me that I don't accept the help of people who are not total pricks, such as yourself.

Your so right, I dont know what Im talking about at all about this. I have more mass in my leg than you have in your whole small frail body. My numbers are 200+ pounds heavier than yours and I've done extensive research on exercsie science.

Did I mention I could snap your happy skinny ass like a twig? If you are so keen on being the billy badass you think you are I suggest you come to a pl meet and put up or shut up.

I'll be in NY in Oct. be my guest and show up :)

btw.. I know 12 yr old girls that bench more than you!

Kc "I don't cheat, i get results"

BPP
06-11-2005, 01:06 PM
"this kid" ? I'm three years older than your punk ass.

Go the hell back to your ****ty board.

FortifiedIron: Your site and username should be renamed ****in Ignorant, not Fortified Iron.

You're both correct. I don't accept "help" from people that make posts such as, "I hope he breaks his spine" etc.

Read the past three or four pages in this training journal and tell me that I don't accept the help of people who are not total pricks, such as yourself.


1) FI is a very quality lifting board, with lots of big names and very educated lifters
2) FI the user also knows a ****load and is a strong mofo
3) if you and US just sit here and go back and forth bashing FI, you should expect them to come post
4) capnseamonkey is a friend of mine
5) FI never said he hopes you break your spine
6) i try not to take sides here...your in good shape, and have some decent strength bro...the problem is just your attitude towards people, and just somehow when you post it just comes off as if you're quite cocky sometimes. i think thats possibly what causes some of the problems *shrug*

AJ010
06-11-2005, 01:14 PM
1) FI is a very quality lifting board, with lots of big names and very educated lifters
2) FI the user also knows a ****load and is a strong mofo
3) if you and US just sit here and go back and forth bashing FI, you should expect them to come post
4) capnseamonkey is a friend of mine
5) FI never said he hopes you break your spine
6) i try not to take sides here...your in good shape, and have some decent strength bro...the problem is just your attitude towards people, and just somehow when you post it just comes off as if you're quite cocky sometimes. i think thats possibly what causes some of the problems *shrug*

3) That one applies to me. I was surfing FI weeks ago, and saw comments posted by a particular member there degrading me. I probably wouldn't have mentioned anything about FI in this journal at all, had it not been for that comment
4) I brought him up because he brought me up
6) I will be honest. DW does have an attitude and does seem to neglect the help he's given, but with all the **** he puts up with it must get to him.

Whatever. I thought FI was a site that wasn't gonna turn into bb.com. Apparently it's heading in that direction, and fast, with all of the flaming threads, negative comments, ...yea. I'm still cool with you proppy, but that's just how I feel.

FortifiedIron
06-11-2005, 01:17 PM
3) That one applies to me. I was surfing FI weeks ago, and saw comments posted by a particular member there degrading me. I probably wouldn't have mentioned anything about FI in this journal at all, had it not been for that comment
4) I brought him up because he brought me up
6) I will be honest. DW does have an attitude and does seem to neglect the help he's given, but with all the **** he puts up with it must get to him.

Whatever. I thought FI was a site that wasn't gonna turn into bb.com. Apparently it's heading in that direction, and fast, with all of the flaming threads, negative comments, ...yea. I'm still cool with you proppy, but that's just how I feel.

Thats because you tucked your penis between your legs and tried to court Anthony. Wow.. no wonder why I ban you!

Kc

AJ010
06-11-2005, 01:20 PM
Thats because you tucked your penis between your legs and tried to court Anthony. Wow.. no wonder why I ban you!

Kc

I could care less if I'm banned from your site. Bb.com is the ****!

Keep comments about me off your board.

FortifiedIron
06-11-2005, 01:23 PM
I could care less if I'm banned from your site. Bb.com is the ****!

Keep comments about me off your board.

Yes you do, or you wouldnt have cried about it.

Oh ok, sure I'll do that! :rolleyes:

Kc

AJ010
06-11-2005, 01:25 PM
Yes you do, or you wouldnt have cried about it.

Oh ok, sure I'll do that! :rolleyes:

Kc

If that helps you sleep at night, then you think that.

Why don't you go date girls off the internet some more? They're the only girls you could ever get with..

DieselWeasel
06-11-2005, 01:47 PM
bpp: The only reason that I mention FI in this training journal is because of the fact that those scumbags continue to talk trash about me, months after I was banned from that board. The DW obsession people have over there is almost scary.