DieselWeasel's Lifting Journal

[AJ010]

Yah when you do the rack pulls like Oldtime said def dont hitch em ever. Ever!

You should get bands so you can do reverse band deadlifts too. :cool:

Nice presses but it looked like the bar wasnt resting on your chest between reps...if thats so that probably threw you off a little.

[SoG]

Here's a couple of good deadlift videos. Compare them to yours.

http://media.putfile.com/DEC5th05DL

This guy had pretty good form--a little hitching on the third rep but it wasn't an unreasonable amount.

http://media.putfile.com/Deadlifts-Oct-28-corrected-form-465x3

This is F-Mac from ironaddicts.com. He has excellent form. Check out how his back is nicely arched. Also look at the depth on his hips--that's where you should aim.

See how is hips and shoulders rise pretty much at the same rate? This is perfect. Then his back takes care of the movement after the initial pull from the floor.

That's why dropping 50-100 pounds will prove more beneficial in the long-run, assuming you simultaneously execute proper deadlift form.

Good luck,



Dave

[PitzaPapa]

that f-mac guy has pretty awsome form. he lets the bar down a little slow killing a lot of energy tho.

DOUBLE DEEZY MA NEEZY ***** PLZ

[DieselWeasel]

Here's a couple of good deadlift videos. Compare them to yours.

http://media.putfile.com/DEC5th05DL

This guy had pretty good form--a little hitching on the third rep but it wasn't an unreasonable amount.

http://media.putfile.com/Deadlifts-Oct-28-corrected-form-465x3

This is F-Mac from ironaddicts.com. He has excellent form. Check out how his back is nicely arched. Also look at the depth on his hips--that's where you should aim.

See how is hips and shoulders rise pretty much at the same rate? This is perfect. Then his back takes care of the movement after the initial pull from the floor.

That's why dropping 50-100 pounds will prove more beneficial in the long-run, assuming you simultaneously execute proper deadlift form.

Good luck,



Dave

Thanks for the videos.

I will only be dropping weight in March when I do event training for the 2006 Strongest Man in Pittsburgh (deadlift with 325 for max reps in 60 seconds). I'm still doing Week 10 of my Coan/Phillipi deadlift routine (495x1) in a few days and rack pulls with at least 5 plates per side in February.

[Newbtime]

with at least 5 plates per side in February.
I wouldnt count on it.

You probally cant even lockout 450 on rack pull, Without auditioning for a porn movie. Honestly i think you have a hughe ego problem, Which is why you cant allow yourself to lower the weight and acutaly do it properly.

[DieselWeasel]

I wouldnt count on it.

You probally cant even lockout 450 on rack pull, Without auditioning for a porn movie.


Now -you're- turning on me too? That's nice.

I did 495x1 from the knees in the rack, Spring 2005.

[Newbtime]

Now -you're- turning on me too? That's nice.

I did 495x1 from the knees in the rack, Spring 2005.
"turning" on you? No im just tyred of candy coating every sentance, because it might offend you.

I dont care how much weight you do, At what bodyweight, If your form isnt there, it isnt there. plain and simple. Your strong, we know, but your form is allowing you do more weight then you really can, along with higher risk of injury, and it just looks BAD.

Every person on every site you post on, ( and then some) have told you you sohuld look into correcting your form....And you havnt..

Sorry if this offends you, if it does just ignore it.( Not sarcastic)

[PitzaPapa]

settle down ladies :)

diesel i think you should start your rack pulls out with maximum 4 plates from slightly below knees and work up from there, ensuring you dont hitch and lean back. work on pushing hips through, and having a straight bar path, and hit those gm's hard too.

[BPP]

Now -you're- turning on me too? That's nice.

I did 495x1 from the knees in the rack, Spring 2005.

he said without hitching

not everythings a me versus you thing...

[DieselWeasel]

01/02/06 - Lower Body

OK. Thickbar training in the rain SUCKS. Watch the video. :mad:

2" Axle Continental Clean + ATG Front Squat
40x8
70x3
90x3
110x3
155x2 (+5lb PR)
video: http://media.putfile.com/max_axle_frontsquat_155x2

[dirtpool]

ROFL, that clean looked worse than your deadlift

[DieselWeasel]

ROFL, that clean looked worse than your deadlift

I never said my lifts were pretty. :)

...especially in the rain.

[dirtpool]

I never said my lifts were pretty. :)

...especially in the rain.

loll, if you're satisfied it's all good...

your back isn't hurting from that?

[DieselWeasel]

loll, if you're satisfied it's all good...

your back isn't hurting from that?

The clean didn't do anything to my back. The bar falling out of my hands and onto my right knee during the descent of the 3rd rep was what hurt. But it definitely looked a lot worse than it actually was.

Lesson learned: No thickbar training in the rain! :o

[BPP]

check rules at contest too for continental...most dont allow to rest on the belt during a log clean, so for a skinny guy like you who cant use a stomach, continental wont be overly useful

[DieselWeasel]

check rules at contest too for continental...most dont allow to rest on the belt during a log clean, so for a skinny guy like you who cant use a stomach, continental wont be overly useful

People were rolling that **** up their gut in the 2005 Strongest Man in PA, so I'm not going to worry about it. Thanks for the heads-up though.

[BPP]

People were rolling that **** up their gut in the 2005 Strongest Man in PA, so I'm not going to worry about it. Thanks for the heads-up though.

oh, i know, the gut is fine, im just saing you're not a typical strongman..you're lean, so continental isnt as easy or beneficial

continental works best with a nice gut to lay it on lol

[DieselWeasel]

oh, i know, the gut is fine, im just saing you're not a typical strongman..you're lean, so continental isnt as easy or beneficial

continental works best with a nice gut to lay it on lol

Oh, for shizzle. :D

But I did what needed to be done to clean that sumbitch.

I know you like that sick arch! ;)

[SoG]

Thanks for the videos.

I will only be dropping weight in March when I do event training for the 2006 Strongest Man in Pittsburgh (deadlift with 325 for max reps in 60 seconds). I'm still doing Week 10 of my Coan/Phillipi deadlift routine (495x1) in a few days and rack pulls with at least 5 plates per side in February.

Hey Max,

No better time to start working on your form than right now. There's no shame in dropping the weight down in order to get the form right. Most likely many of the people berating you will give you praise and respect.

I'll go against what everyone has said and state that the last thing you should do is worry about rack pulls. Your hamstrings are weak and need some dire attention. How about some GHRs, reverse hypers, or SLDLs? What about pulling the sled? Cut the weight off your deadlifts, follow F-Mac's form, and you'll be pulling 485 quickly in no time.

I'm warning you, though--you do not want to step into a world of hurt with a paraspinal muscle injury, or a hemoraged/slipped disc. You keep your form up the way it is, next week, next month, maybe next year, you'll be out for many months with some serious injury. Don't go there, dude.

Best of luck,

-Dave

[the bigfoot4]

Hey Max,

No better time to start working on your form than right now. There's no shame in dropping the weight down in order to get the form right. Most likely many of the people berating you will give you praise and respect.

I'll go against what everyone has said and state that the last thing you should do is worry about rack pulls. Your hamstrings are weak and need some dire attention. How about some GHRs, reverse hypers, or SLDLs? What about pulling the sled? Cut the weight off your deadlifts, follow F-Mac's form, and you'll be pulling 485 quickly in no time.

I'm warning you, though--you do not want to step into a world of hurt with a paraspinal muscle injury, or a hemoraged/slipped disc. You keep your form up the way it is, next week, next month, maybe next year, you'll be out for many months with some serious injury. Don't go there, dude.

Best of luck,

-Davewerd,everybody is just looking out for ya diesel.they're not trying to be dicks or pick on you

[DieselWeasel]

01/03/06 - Grip

I did a whole bunch of exercises with both my 25lb hex and 32.5lb York block weights: deadlift, clean and press, curl, clean and press by the face, clean and press with two fingers + thumb.

I also did plate wrist curls for the first time and managed to do a bunch of those with the 10lb plate. I tried using two 10s, but that just basically turned into a plate curl, so I did plate curls with the two 10s.

Lastly, I did 8 reps per hand with 18lbs on the TTK.

video: http://media.putfile.com/max_block_01_03_06

[Squats]

Did you get your TeamSniffy shirt yet? You won man of the year 2005!

[PitzaPapa]

01/03/06 - Grip

I did a whole bunch of exercises with both my 25lb hex and 32.5lb York block weights: deadlift, clean and press, curl, clean and press by the face, clean and press with two fingers + thumb.

I also did plate wrist curls for the first time and managed to do a bunch of those with the 10lb plate. I tried using two 10s, but that just basically turned into a plate curl, so I did plate curls with the two 10s.

Lastly, I did 8 reps per hand with 18lbs on the TTK.

video: http://media.putfile.com/max_block_01_03_06

on the plate wrist curls should have tried a 10+5, and when thats easy do a 10+5+5 (5lb plates are smaller so it will be a bit easier than 10+10, or instead of the second 5, use a 2.5.) and once u can rep 10's easy bust out the 25 etc etc

nice block weightin deez

[DieselWeasel]

Did you get your TeamSniffy shirt yet? You won man of the year 2005!

Yeah, I might actually wear that shirt in some of my training videos. :D

PitzaPapa: Thanks for the tips, bro. :)

[sniffy54]

make sure you give us your address cause you are the teamsniffy man of the year. we live in nj so you should have it in a day or so.

we would be honored if you wore our shirt during one of your lifts.

[DieselWeasel]

we would be honored if you wore our shirt during one of your lifts.

Would that make you wet? :cool:

EDIT: If anyone is interested, here is a direct link to the Team Sniffy 2005 Man of the Year page:
http://www.teamsniffy.com/forum/showthread.php?p=395

[sniffy54]

i was already wet when you won.

congrats man

[PitzaPapa]

you made your daddy proud diesel

*holds back tears* :(

[DieselWeasel]

you made your daddy proud diesel

*holds back tears* :(

Thanks pops! :D

[DieselWeasel]

Hey Max,

No better time to start working on your form than right now. There's no shame in dropping the weight down in order to get the form right. Most likely many of the people berating you will give you praise and respect.

I'll go against what everyone has said and state that the last thing you should do is worry about rack pulls. Your hamstrings are weak and need some dire attention. How about some GHRs, reverse hypers, or SLDLs? What about pulling the sled? Cut the weight off your deadlifts, follow F-Mac's form, and you'll be pulling 485 quickly in no time.

I'm warning you, though--you do not want to step into a world of hurt with a paraspinal muscle injury, or a hemoraged/slipped disc. You keep your form up the way it is, next week, next month, maybe next year, you'll be out for many months with some serious injury. Don't go there, dude.

Best of luck,

-Dave

Hey Dave. Go **** yourself, you two-face son of a bitch. Look what I found:
http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6663

EDIT: ****, here's another gem:
http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6003

And yet another:
http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6427&page=2

[SoG]

It's was either (a) make constant fun of you for not only having terrible form or (b) actually try to help you improve. I decided later on that cracking on your form wasn't the right way.

But then again, who's more ridiculous? Me, who gave you solid advice on cleaning up your form and made a few cracks on you, or you, who has had literally dozens of skilled lifters give you solid advice, and yet your collosal ego has not allowed you to improve your form not one ounce?

You're a strong guy--no doubt about that in my mind. But your ego has blindsided you from achieving your true potential as a lifter, strongman, and more importantly, a person who can critique his own weaknesses.

Assuming you will continue your ways and not make a sincere effort to change, you will undoubtedly end up with a serious injury, and you will regret ever not listening to me, or the other lifters out there who are trying to help you.

You know what, Max? I dare you not to ignore this thread like so many of the other critiques other lifters post. Why don't you for once accept the fact that you are not only wrong about your lifts, but you are injecting bad examples of lifts so new lifters will pick up on your terrible form and consider it "correct." And then prove your words by your actions in the gym, ie, dropping the weight and fixing your form.

Be a man. Realize your own faults and fix them! Or continue your wreckless form and suffer the eventual consequences.


-Dave

[Satans Mother]

You're one great motha****a DW!

your vids always makes me laugh me ass off! It's a seldom seen display of lifting!

[dirtpool]

It's was either (a) make constant fun of you for not only having terrible form or (b) actually try to help you improve. I decided later on that cracking on your form wasn't the right way.

But then again, who's more ridiculous? Me, who gave you solid advice on cleaning up your form and made a few cracks on you, or you, who has had literally dozens of skilled lifters give you solid advice, and yet your collosal ego has not allowed you to improve your form not one ounce?

You're a strong guy--no doubt about that in my mind. But your ego has blindsided you from achieving your true potential as a lifter, strongman, and more importantly, a person who can critique his own weaknesses.

Assuming you will continue your ways and not make a sincere effort to change, you will undoubtedly end up with a serious injury, and you will regret ever not listening to me, or the other lifters out there who are trying to help you.

You know what, Max? I dare you not to ignore this thread like so many of the other critiques other lifters post. Why don't you for once accept the fact that you are not only wrong about your lifts, but you are injecting bad examples of lifts so new lifters will pick up on your terrible form and consider it "correct." And then prove your words by your actions in the gym, ie, dropping the weight and fixing your form.

Be a man. Realize your own faults and fix them! Or continue your wreckless form and suffer the eventual consequences.


-Dave

reps, reps, reps

[Tank87]

Diesal I just saw ur 485 deadlift video and u realy need to drop the weight.. Why the hell where you standing with the weight in ur hands for so long, u didnt have the lift. like others have said u where good from the ground but u died out at the top. Just chill with the weight.. I no its hard I have ego problems too and it use to be as bad as urs forcing myself to lift weight I couldnt handle at the time, but I realized one day I gotta stop I could realy hurt myself and be out for months and thats gonna set back my prs way more than forceing myself to lift weight that im not ready for.. Be careful with the deadlifts, they can be a very good excersise but also very dangerous at the sametime if ur not careful..

[DieselWeasel]

01/06/05 - Coan/Phillipi (Week 10)

I missed the 495x1 lift. Lockout work is a must for me!

Deadlift
155x8
245x3
335x3
425x1
495x0 <= reached the knees
video: Putfile is acting gay at the moment. Here is a rapidshare link:
http://rapidshare.de/files/10568033/max_dead_495x1_attempt.wmv.html


Speed Deadlift
295x3
295x3


Good Morning*
160x5
160x5

* The GMs were done because I didn't want to leave after doing just the deadlifts and speed deads, even though they weren't listed for Week 10.

- Here is a pic of the 495x1 attempt:

[GmoneyJakee]

i see that your deadlifting form has improved LMAO.

[DieselWeasel]

i see that your deadlifting form has improved LMAO.

Grow up, kid.

[GmoneyJakee]

Grow up, kid.

i think im more grown up then you, im not the one with the huge ego problem. i just dont see why you dont take others advice on your **** ass form. you think you know it all but you really dont. there is room for improvement for everyone. not excluding you. your not perfect so just get over your self dude.

[DieselWeasel]

i think im more grown up then you, im not the one with the huge ego problem. i just dont see why you dont take others advice on your **** ass form. you think you know it all but you really dont. there is room for improvement for everyone. not excluding you. your not perfect so just get over your self dude.

I never said that I'm perfect; I'm actually far from it.

[Five]

By rule I never insult a fellow lifter, but with you I'm forced to make an exception because I don't consider you a lifter.

You are an ass.

[super_stevecc]

You said, "I never said that I'm perfect; I'm actually far from it."

Wouldn't it be a great way to make yourself better in the sport by fixing your form? It takes humility to decrease the weights you're lifting, but I can say that you'll thank all the guys here in the long-run.

[Heisman2]

There's nothing I can say that hasn't already be said, so I'll just ask a question. Could you please take a vid of yourself deadlifting without hitching and see how much weight you can use?

[SFT]

I missed the 495x1 lift. Lockout work is a must for me!


I could have told you that a long time ago. Think about it bro, your workouts don't really make sense. You are working your speed deads which are going to help you off the floor. But you don't need help off the floor! Your strength off the floor greatly exceeds your lockout. Train your weaknesses not your strengths.

[GmoneyJakee]

I never said that I'm perfect; I'm actually far from it.

alright then why dont you stop ignoring peoples advices and take their thoughts into considerations and do something about your technique, that simple. its not like they are telling you to do something drastic. lowering the weight and practicing form.....is that so hard for a big macho guy like youself

[DieselWeasel]

I could have told you that a long time ago. Think about it bro, your workouts don't really make sense. You are working your speed deads which are going to help you off the floor. But you don't need help off the floor! Your strength off the floor greatly exceeds your lockout. Train your weaknesses not your strengths.

I was doing the speed deads because that was a big part of the Coan/Phillipi deadlift routine.

I will be doing rack pulls ~2" below the knees in February when the campus weight room re-opens. That should help my lockout difficulty.

[Danimal]

DW your problem isn't lockout as much as it is bad form. On that 495 miss it's clear- you have your knees almost locked out and your hips all the way up when the plates are only a few inches off the ground. That is causing you to round your low back way too much and forces you to lose any leverage you had. You are turning it into a bad stiff leg, because even on a stiff leg your back should be flat. Then as you reach your knees, you rebend to try and power the bar up- your knees should have still been bent- they shouldn't lock until right near the finish of the lift. You need to practice (with lighter weight- your speed deads are ideal for this) getting your entire body to move as one unit. Your hips and shoulders should move at the same rate.

[DieselWeasel]

DW your problem isn't lockout as much as it is bad form. On that 495 miss it's clear- you have your knees almost locked out and your hips all the way up when the plates are only a few inches off the ground. That is causing you to round your low back way too much and forces you to lose any leverage you had. You are turning it into a bad stiff leg, because even on a stiff leg your back should be flat. Then as you reach your knees, you rebend to try and power the bar up- your knees should have still been bent- they shouldn't lock until right near the finish of the lift. You need to practice (with lighter weight- your speed deads are ideal for this) getting your entire body to move as one unit. Your hips and shoulders should move at the same rate.

It's not easy to get it synchronized, especially after doing it a certain way for a very long time and also when using near maximal poundage often. But you're right; that is definitely another problem that I have.

EDIT: BTW, this was my 3,000th post. :cool:

[AJ010]

so are ya gonna fix it?

[DieselWeasel]

so are ya gonna fix it?

I will try to fix it. I'm not making any promises though.

[BPP]

I will try to fix it. I'm not making any promises though.

:rolleyes:

[Newbtime]

I will try to fix it. I'm not making any promises though.
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=1ECE3BBC67C36FE10910AF12F5 2358C2.hydra?id=459744&pageNo=0#bottom

[DieselWeasel]

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=1ECE3BBC67C36FE10910AF12F5 2358C2.hydra?id=459744&pageNo=0#bottom

That's a good article. Thanks for the refresher.

I was thinking lately that it seems like most people are disappointed that I haven't sustained any serious injuries rather than angry or upset that I did not heed their advice.

[BPP]

I was thinking lately that it seems like most people are disappointed that I haven't sustained any serious injuries rather than angry or upset that I did not heed their advice.

prolly just like people who have friends who drive drunk

you dont want to see THEM hurt, however you know its gonna happen if they continue doing what theyre doing, and just hope that when it does happen they might actually learn something that way

[DieselWeasel]

prolly just like people who have friends who drive drunk

you dont want to see THEM hurt, however you know its gonna happen if they continue doing what theyre doing, and just hope that when it does happen they might actually learn something that way

Face facts, bpp. They wanted to tell me, "I TOLD YOU THAT WOULD HAPPEN! HA HA!" after my spine snapped and because it hasn't happened yet, they're pissed off about that.

[BPP]

Face facts, bpp.

should follow your own advice bro

[Newbtime]

Face facts, bpp.
ROFL.

Ohhhhhh thee irony....

[DieselWeasel]

That's really cool. Go ahead and ignore the point of that post and make jokes.

[BPP]

Go ahead and ignore the point of that post

why not, you've been doing it to good advice for years now

[Newbtime]

That's really cool. Go ahead and ignore the point of that post and make jokes.
Yea, there are some *******s. Theres *******s everywhere you go, get ****in used to it.

There **** doesnt mean anything, forget it and change your form. For you.

[DieselWeasel]

why not, you've been doing it to good advice for years now

Years? I only had this training journal for ~18 months.

[Danimal]

DW I really don't think people want you to get hurt. If they did, there wouldn't be a zillion posts in your log about how to fix what you are doing wrong. For a long time you've taken the approach that you are happy doing things the way you do and don't want any help from those of us who have been there. Eventually people get tired of trying to help, and at that point sit back and wait for the inevitable to happen. The truth is, you WILL get hurt at some point lifting the way you do. Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not in the next couple years, but eventually it will happen. You are young and have a long life ahead of you. Do you want to have problems that cause your quality of life to be miserable when you are 40 and last until your death? That is the road you are headed down right now. At least consider the long term effects of what you are doing.

[BPP]

Years? I only had this training journal for ~18 months.

18 montsh = 1.5 years = over 1 year = plural = years

:)

[PitzaPapa]

18 montsh = 1.5 years = over 1 year = plural = years

:)

dont skip steps ur confusing me. how many months are in a year?

[DieselWeasel]

18 montsh = 1.5 years = over 1 year = plural = years

:)

If that helps you sleep at night, it's all good. ;)

[AJ010]

Diesel, these guys make great points.

Like proppy said, there could be guys who drink and drive, maybe for a day, maybe for years, and don't ever get into an accident. Chances are, they WILL get into an accident one day. Either they get in an accident, or they fail the alcohol level test and get busted.

Lifters can take steroids and other anabolic androgens, and compete in tested competitions and get away with it. They might get caught, and they might not. You could take illegal drugs and get caught too, like Mariusz Pudzianowski.

In school, you can cheat and plagiarize. You might get caught the first time, or maybe finally get caught during your senior year.

Criminals who have murdered in the past or done something very illegal might get away with the crime for decades. I'm sure you know this. But you know what usually happens? These guys who thought they got away, finally got caught 20 years later.

In your case, you can lift like ****, and get away with it, or you might not. But when you don't get away with it, what will happen will be horrible. There are a few kind of injuries: Severe trauma injury occurring almost out of nowhere, injury from a weakened or compensating structure in your body(usually undetected as well), and then there's having slight pain which warns you not to do anything, and you train anyways and then get hurt. It's like playing with fire. One of these days you gonna get burnt. There's that chance that you won't, but with lifting the odds are it will happen.

Don't get messed up man...

[ashnut]

not trying to bash you DW, just some honest questions.

are you supposed to keep adding weight when you cant keep up with the program's progression? you should have retried the 485 DL again this week, cause you (imo) failed it last time, and it was close as **** too so i think you would have had it all the way up this time.

[bodybuilda]

guys that are trying to help him I just read them all and they are great advices, but from the responses hes giving, the way i see it, he will not listen until he injures himself. and its not if he injures himself its when he does, i think best thing for us to do is to wait until that happens. dont get me wrong i hope that never happens but it is inevitable with the way he is lifting.

[DieselWeasel]

guys that are trying to help him I just read them all and they are great advices, but from the responses hes giving, the way i see it, he will not listen until he injures himself. and its not if he injures himself its when he does, i think best thing for us to do is to wait until that happens. dont get me wrong i hope that never happens but it is inevitable with the way he is lifting.

Don't hold your breath. I'm not going to be held accountable for the death of a moron.

[dirtpool]

lol..................interesting joke, never heard that one

[One Man Army]

Yeah Diesel ..listen to everyone. Do you have a contest real soon? Another strongest man competition on ice again? Probably not. So slow down. You dont need to go up every single week. There is no contest you have to rush to get ready for. Work on form. It'll help you and you wont get injured. Besides form counts in competition too.

[DieselWeasel]

Yeah Diesel ..listen to everyone. Do you have a contest real soon? Another strongest man competition on ice again? Probably not. So slow down. You dont need to go up every single week. There is no contest you have to rush to get ready for. Work on form. It'll help you and you wont get injured. Besides form counts in competition too.

I'm not competing until April.

[One Man Army]

Then Work On Form And Dont Rush Up Each Week With Weights!

[BPP]

I'm not competing until April.

which show?

[DieselWeasel]

which show?

2006 Strongest Man in Pittsburgh

[BPP]

2006 Strongest Man in Pittsburgh

its not listen on NAS site yet

info?

[One Man Army]

Is it an ice show again?

[BPP]

Is it an ice show again?

ice?

[DieselWeasel]

its not listen on NAS site yet

info?

http://www.garyudit.com/

One Man Army: WTF is an ice show? :confused:

[One Man Army]

Your Penn State Strongest Man contest was on a hockey ring last time

[DieselWeasel]

Your Penn State Strongest Man contest was on a hockey ring last time

Yeah, it's at the same venue, Iceoplex.

[SoG]

Like I predicted, Weisal didn't respond to my message. Why? He'd have to hold himself accountable for once. Unfortunately, that's too much of a grown-up thing to do.

It's one thing to constantly screw your form up and say you recognize your faults. However, it's totally different when you do nothing to change them! This is something a child would do--ignore the advice of the wise and preceding to do the same old thing until the inevitable happens.

Injuries happen and they aren't pretty. I injured my lower back at the bottom of my good morning rep of 260 pounds--and my form was pretty good, too. However, I wasn't warmed up and I put 20-30 pounds too much weight on the bar. 12 weeks later I'm still recovering.

Trust me, you don't want to learn your lesson the hard way--many of us telling you to drop the weight are saying this because we've already had to sit out months at a time because of some ego-induced injury! Are you that dull to realize this? Trust me, there's nothing more depressing than not deadlifting, squatting, and good morning for 3 months!!!

This whole argument isn't based on your form--no, I think it's based more on your maturity level. You need to mature some before you can reach your true potential. Until you realize this, you will eventually get stuck or injured, and regret no listening to the people honestly trying to help you.

Not trying to offend you, and if I do, then let your aggression out on your form. I got my girlfriend, inexperienced in deadlifting and cleaning, to watch your form, and she could tell right away when you hyperextended your back that you were doing something incredibly wrong. If my girlfriend can tell you're doing something wrong, then you should definitely be listening to your fellow lifters!

And please--don't respond to this message unless you're responding to its main ideas, instead of getting carried away with whether or not I hurt your feelings. Step up and be a man for once.

Good luck,


-Dave

[AJ010]

Yeah, in my case I had ****ty form on GMs and rack pulls and was too hardheaded to lower the weight, cuz i was obsessed with raising the poundage. I ended up injuring my back for about a year...

[DieselWeasel]

Like I predicted, Weisal didn't respond to my message. Why? He'd have to hold himself accountable for once. Unfortunately, that's too much of a grown-up thing to do.

It's one thing to constantly screw your form up and say you recognize your faults. However, it's totally different when you do nothing to change them! This is something a child would do--ignore the advice of the wise and preceding to do the same old thing until the inevitable happens.

Injuries happen and they aren't pretty. I injured my lower back at the bottom of my good morning rep of 260 pounds--and my form was pretty good, too. However, I wasn't warmed up and I put 20-30 pounds too much weight on the bar. 12 weeks later I'm still recovering.

Trust me, you don't want to learn your lesson the hard way--many of us telling you to drop the weight are saying this because we've already had to sit out months at a time because of some ego-induced injury! Are you that dull to realize this? Trust me, there's nothing more depressing than not deadlifting, squatting, and good morning for 3 months!!!

This whole argument isn't based on your form--no, I think it's based more on your maturity level. You need to mature some before you can reach your true potential. Until you realize this, you will eventually get stuck or injured, and regret no listening to the people honestly trying to help you.

Not trying to offend you, and if I do, then let your aggression out on your form. I got my girlfriend, inexperienced in deadlifting and cleaning, to watch your form, and she could tell right away when you hyperextended your back that you were doing something incredibly wrong. If my girlfriend can tell you're doing something wrong, then you should definitely be listening to your fellow lifters!

And please--don't respond to this message unless you're responding to its main ideas, instead of getting carried away with whether or not I hurt your feelings. Step up and be a man for once.

Good luck,


-Dave

Hey Dave. **** you and your ignorant girlfriend.

You want to talk about maturity? I put my life on the line in a combat zone (O.I.F.) in 2003. I served honorably in the U.S. Army and currently maintain a solid 3.5 GPA in college.

[AJ010]

i dont think his girlfriend is ignorant based on what he said bro


:cool:

[DieselWeasel]

i dont think his girlfriend is ignorant based on what he said bro


:cool:

She's ignorant because he stated that she is "inexperienced in deadlifting or cleaning".

[AJ010]

Well man, im pretty sure if anyone saw someone doing a clean where they hyperextend their back like a mother ****er, they'd realize something is wrong.

[DieselWeasel]

Well man, im pretty sure if anyone saw someone doing a clean where they hyperextend their back like a mother ****er, they'd realize something is wrong.

Is that how I always do my cleans? Hell no. 95% of the time, it's not even a continental, let alone one in which I have a crazy arch like that.

[BenT]

IMO the thing is that Diesel probably lifts with the correct form for most of his work, and the ones in which he seems to be doing them with poor form are the exceptions, rather than the rule.

Is that a fair assessment?

[DieselWeasel]

01/08/06 - Biceps/Forearms

2" Axle Curl (new)
40x8
70x6
90x3
110x3


2" Axle Reverse Curl (new)
70x6

video: http://media.putfile.com/max_axle_curl110x3_rcurl70x6
- Both exercises are included in the video.

[tom4212]

She's ignorant because he stated that she is "inexperienced in deadlifting or cleaning".

To the looks of it, you are ignorant to the correct deadlift technique.

[AJ010]

Is that how I always do my cleans? Hell no. 95% of the time, it's not even a continental, let alone one in which I have a crazy arch like that.

lol didnt say you did man...

Try some real olympic power cleans though.

[DieselWeasel]

To the looks of it, you are ignorant to the correct deadlift technique.

-BY- the looks of it, you are ignorant -OF- correct english language usage. There are two glaring mistakes in that one sentence or semblance of a sentence, rather.

[Tank87]

Hey diesal I also see u do strongman where do you train for it ??? Im in the same borough as u I live in Ozone Park queens...

Btw none of these guys are trying to bring u down just trying to help you.. I no how it is u just wanna go up in ur lifts everyweek but that weight is to heavy for u right now, just work on ur rack pulls for a month or so keep doing the speed deadlifts after u do ur rack pulls then try the 495.. You will def get the lift and be pulling much more in the future but dont force it, cause nothing is gonna set u back more from getting that 495 than a back injury.. Think about it u hurt ur back and ur out for months then u start up again and u cant even pull 315 when months ago u where speed deadlifting that with ease, that 495 is gonna be way more harder to achieve again so be patient with ur lifts strength dosent come right away it aint handed to us, it takes time and dedication. Now u got heart and dedication wich is gonna get u real far, but it wont get u anywhere if ur back is completly messed up and u cant lift or do strongman anymore...

Btw I realy wanna get into strongman, you no anywhere I can go to train for it in queens ...

[DieselWeasel]

Hey diesal I also see u do strongman where do you train for it ??? Im in the same borough as u I live in Ozone Park queens...

Btw none of these guys are trying to bring u down just trying to help you.. I no how it is u just wanna go up in ur lifts everyweek but that weight is to heavy for u right now, just work on ur rack pulls for a month or so keep doing the speed deadlifts after u do ur rack pulls then try the 495.. You will def get the lift and be pulling much more in the future but dont force it, cause nothing is gonna set u back more from getting that 495 than a back injury.. Think about it u hurt ur back and ur out for months then u start up again and u cant even pull 315 when months ago u where speed deadlifting that with ease, that 495 is gonna be way more harder to achieve again so be patient with ur lifts strength dosent come right away it aint handed to us, it takes time and dedication. Now u got heart and dedication wich is gonna get u real far, but it wont get u anywhere if ur back is completly messed up and u cant lift or do strongman anymore...

Btw I realy wanna get into strongman, you no anywhere I can go to train for it in queens ...

I train mostly at home and in the campus weight room. I don't know of any strongman training areas. I have a whole bunch of implements and equipment (2" thickbar, 8" log, 150lb sandbag, farmer's walk bars, kettlebells, block weights, grippers, titan's telegraph key and hundreds of pounds of plates) at home. If you're interested and willing to go to my place to train, PM me your phone number and we will make arrangements to meet and lift.

[Tank87]

alright man, where in queens are u located at ???

[PitzaPapa]

deezle u got a new bum buddy :D i need a new 1 myslef lol

good job on dem curls, i bet those reversers with the 2''er hits the grip nicely.

[DieselWeasel]

deezle u got a new bum buddy :D i need a new 1 myslef lol

good job on dem curls, i bet those reversers with the 2''er hits the grip nicely.

Yeah, everything is more difficult with that thickbar.

Tank87: I'm in Douglaston. Send me a PM with your cell # to get the details knocked out, unless I'm too far across the borough.

[bodybuilda]

Don't hold your breath. I'm not going to be held accountable for the death of a moron.


lol wtf was there anything i said that was not true or did i sound mean in any way?

[DieselWeasel]

lol wtf was there anything i said that was not true or did i sound mean in any way?

See below.


...the way i see it, he will not listen until he injures himself. and its not if he injures himself its when he does, i think best thing for us to do is to wait until that happens.

Remember that?

Here was my reply:

Don't hold your breath. I'm not going to be held accountable for the death of a moron.

[BPP]

-BY- the looks of it, you are ignorant -OF- correct english language usage. There are two glaring mistakes in that one sentence or semblance of a sentence, rather.

wow petty post

:p

[bodybuilda]

See below.



Remember that?


ya but i also said i hope that doesnt happen but the way i see it ur not listening to most people or anyone for that matter on correcting your form and its obvious thats the way its been going so you WILL injure urself. that does not mean i want that to happen or to anyone for that matter.

[AJ010]

Ya, like if you got a small inexperienced fighter against a big experienced fighter. You might be cheering for the small guy, but you know he's probably going to lose.

In your case, bodybuilda knows youre probably gonna get hurt, but he's cheering* for you that you won't.

*this word connects the examples

[SoG]

Hey Dave. **** you and your ignorant girlfriend.

You want to talk about maturity? I put my life on the line in a combat zone (O.I.F.) in 2003. I served honorably in the U.S. Army and currently maintain a solid 3.5 GPA in college.

Congrats--are you looking for more of an ego stroke? When did service time and GPA ever reflect on your abilities to address your weaknesses?

It doesn't take an experienced lifter to see you're doing some unfortuntely terrible form, especially your deadlift. That's what I was trying to show you when I told you my girlfriend could even tell how flawed your form was!

Again, being a man is more than what service-time (albeit commendable) you put in or how well you're doing in school. A real man knows or actively seeks out his weaknesses to minimize or destroy them. You are ignoring yours for the sake of your own ego.

You can't even address the points I pointed out in my previous two responses. What are you so afraid of? Being wrong? Being a failure? That's what makes us human--what makes us men is failing forward, recouping from our losses and turning them into victories! Cursing me, you can't even see I'm trying to help you.

Let me requote what has been my general idea throughout my last two responses:


Like I predicted, Weisal didn't respond to my message. Why? He'd have to hold himself accountable for once. Unfortunately, that's too much of a grown-up thing to do.

And please--don't respond to this message unless you're responding to its main ideas, instead of getting carried away with whether or not I hurt your feelings. Step up and be a man for once.

Max, this is the Internet--please don't waste your aggression on me. Instead, take a good look in the mirror and really ask yourself if you're humble and you can accept that you are wrong and need to improve. Then, solidify your resolve by acting to improve your weakness. Then you'll be a much stronger, smarter lifter for it.

Good luck,

-Dave

[dirtpool]

Quote:
Like I predicted, Weisal didn't respond to my message. Why? He'd have to hold himself accountable for once. Unfortunately, that's too much of a grown-up thing to do.

And please--don't respond to this message unless you're responding to its main ideas, instead of getting carried away with whether or not I hurt your feelings. Step up and be a man for once.


lol, very very interesting...he did exactly what you asked him not to do

maybe reverse psychology would work


hey diesel, keep lifting like **** it's really impressive!

[DieselWeasel]

SoG, I will never take you seriously ever again after realizing your true lack of integrity. You started at least three different threads on the Iron Addicts board, bashing and ridiculing me while supposedly trying to "help" me here in my training journal. Spare me your fake, phony compassion.

[Newbtime]

Spare me your fake, phony compassion.
^^^^

Seriously, guys stop flooding his journal with ****. He got the message.

[SoG]

SoG, I will never take you seriously ever again after realizing your true lack of integrity. You started at least three different threads on the Iron Addicts board, bashing and ridiculing me while supposedly trying to "help" me here in my training journal. Spare me your fake, phony compassion.

I'm quite humbled that you would search for my messages--did I really upset you that much? I was unaware that someone could get so angered over someone on the Internet.

Integrity--I find it sad that someone like yourself is claiming I have a lack of it. You can't even admit to the dozens who try to help you, much less yourself, that your ego blinds you from seeing the true condition. Don't take offense--you have a self-esteem problem, otherwise, you would have corrected your mistaken form by now and been a better lifter for it.

Max, the truth hurts sometimes, but it inevitably sets you free. What's the truth in this case? Your monstrous ego blinds you from seeing your own downfall. In this case, it's represented in your deadlift form--who knows how else you exemplify your egoism elsewhere in life. Point being, you will not reach your full potential until you realize your weakness and conquer it.

Come on, don't be so afraid--why don't you address my points from this thread and others? I could create another Internet identity, score points with you, and say the same thing as above; yet, I know you still would not take my, or any other experienced lifter's, suggestions to heart, because the truth still stands.

You have nothing to lose--I'm sure your reputation with others around the bodybuilding community would rise. I would be the first to post your 375 pound, corrected-form dealift at ironaddicts.com, praising your effort.

Think about it. No really, think about it.



-Dave

[DieselWeasel]

I'm quite humbled that you would search for my messages--did I really upset you that much? I was unaware that someone could get so angered over someone on the Internet.

I didn't search for -your- messages, I put in a search for my username on IA. I couldn't care less about you.

[jm2021]

hey guys don't ruin his journal, Diesel keep posting on your progress and info on your journal, its great that you started this, keep going :)

[DieselWeasel]

01/09/06 - Lower Body

2" Axle Zercher Deadlift + Squat (new)
70x8
110x6
160x6
180x3
video: http://media.putfile.com/max_axle_zercher_deadsquat_160x6_180x3
- The last two sets are included in the video.

[AJ010]

Nice job dude...looked pretty good!

[DieselWeasel]

Nice job dude...looked pretty good!

Thanks. I think the thickbar feels more natural in the crooks of my arms compared to an olympic bar.

[PitzaPapa]

good stuff deez.

i never thought of z deading it off floor to z squat it. first time i did z squats i had a pain in the ass of a time trying to find a place to rack the bar.

[DieselWeasel]

good stuff deez.

i never thought of z deading it off floor to z squat it. first time i did z squats i had a pain in the ass of a time trying to find a place to rack the bar.

Where did you start the zercher squat when you tried it for the first time? It would be nice to find somewhere higher off the ground to start the lift, but I'm lifting in my garage and/or driveway.

[PitzaPapa]

Where did you start the zercher squat when you tried it for the first time? It would be nice to find somewhere higher off the ground to start the lift, but I'm lifting in my garage and/or driveway.

a chair lo0l

[DieselWeasel]

a chair lo0l

Ah. So when using the chairs, the first rep is basically a bottom-position zercher squat and the rest of the reps are regular z-squats, right?

[PitzaPapa]

Ah. So when using the chairs, the first rep is basically a bottom-position zercher squat and the rest of the reps are regular z-squats, right?

i kinda more gm it up tho. i hate doing it that way. id rather just dl it from floor

[DieselWeasel]

i kinda more gm it up tho. i hate doing it that way. id rather just dl it from floor

You would rather do it like how I did it in my video, right? The first rep of every set is a z-dead followed by z-squats.

[Tank87]

Hey deisal where is Douglaston exactly is it far from ozone park?? How long would it take to take a bus or train there???

Btw Nice Zercher lift, good form too. I would realy like to train with u cause I see u do some unique lifts and you lift hard.

[DieselWeasel]

Hey deisal where is Douglaston exactly is it far from ozone park?? How long would it take to take a bus or train there???

Btw Nice Zercher lift, good form too. I would realy like to train with u cause I see u do some unique lifts and you lift hard.

Check your PMs.

[DieselWeasel]

01/10/06 - Sandbag Training

I warmed up by doing clean and presses with three progressively heavier kettlebells: 44, 53 and 62lbs.

I never tried to do a clean and press with the 150lb sandbag before today. I did 100x9, the last time that I did the sandbag clean and press.

Clean and Press
150x0 (one clean and no press)
150x0 (one clean and no press) <= this was closer than the first attempt
video: http://media.putfile.com/max_sandbag_150_cleanpress_attempts
- Both attempts are included in the video.

This is a screenshot from the second attempt:

[PitzaPapa]

i cherish these moments when u dont get a pr :D

fairly close on that second 1.

keep on trucking

i expect 150x reps next time :cool:

[DieselWeasel]

i cherish these moments when u dont get a pr :D

fairly close on that second 1.

keep on trucking

i expect 150x reps next time :cool:

Yeah, I want to pwn it, next time that I attempt it.

[DieselWeasel]

01/11/06 - Event Training

It was rainining again! :mad:

Farmer's Walk
105s - 50 feet <= after the turn @ 50 feet, one of the collars came off and the weights fell off
225s - 22 feet (+15lbs in each hand PR)
video: http://media.putfile.com/max_farmer_225s_22

[PitzaPapa]

nice job deez.

i thought my comp froze at the start of ur vid :D

god dang i want coan to end so i can hit some dem farmsies myself

what kinda collars are those?

i use plastic pony clamps

[DieselWeasel]

nice job deez.

i thought my comp froze at the start of ur vid :D

god dang i want coan to end so i can hit some dem farmsies myself

what kinda collars are those?

i use plastic pony clamps

I tricked you with this time with the screenshot in the beginning of the video. :cool:

I use Muscle Clamp collars.

[Mateo_66]

Have you ever tried sumo deads?

[DieselWeasel]

Have you ever tried sumo deads?

Yeah, but I'm definitely stronger using the conventional stance/style.

[BPP]

Have you ever tried sumo deads?

NAS does not allow sumo deadlifts on 18" deadlift, and most promoters no longer allow sumo for full deadlifts in competition either, conventional only

[Radok]

In competition meaning powerlifting or strongman? I believe and hope you are talking about strongman.

[PitzaPapa]

In competition meaning powerlifting or strongman? I believe and hope you are talking about strongman.

http://www.nastrongman.com/

pwned :D :)

[Mateo_66]

I meant in training. Variation never hurt nobody. They do help in bringing up the hip power.

[DieselWeasel]

I meant in training. Variation never hurt nobody. They do help in bringing up the hip power.

That's true.

[Mateo_66]

Yeah, but I'm definitely stronger using the conventional stance/style.
Me too I need to work on those sumo's more. My conventional improved a bit after using them. But I only used them for my speed work. That was pretty impressive seeing you clamp those 25's together. After watching that the other night I gave it a try. You should try clamping 10's together(like 4 of them or so.) That sucks. Its a challenge to just get your hands around em! What are some other exercises you do for grip strength? Also How do they do the deadlifts at your competitions(Reps for time at a certain weight or just most weight lifted?)

[DieselWeasel]

Me too I need to work on those sumo's more. My conventional improved a bit after using them. But I only used them for my speed work. That was pretty impressive seeing you clamp those 25's together. After watching that the other night I gave it a try. You should try clamping 10's together(like 4 of them or so.) That sucks. Its a challenge to just get your hands around em! What are some other exercises you do for grip strength? Also How do they do the deadlifts at your competitions(Reps for time at a certain weight or just most weight lifted?)

I already pinch lifted four 10s in the past.

In regards to grip training, I currently focus mainly on block weights, farmer's walk, Titan's Telegraph Key, plate curls, plate pinch lifts and 2" thickbar work.

The deadlift is max reps in 60 seconds with 325lbs. Straps are allowed in competition. I did 12 reps without straps in the 2005 Strongest Man in Pennsylvania and 13 reps with straps in training.

[deepsquatter]

DieselWeasel,
How much do you weigh and how tall are you?

[DieselWeasel]

DieselWeasel,
How much do you weigh and how tall are you?

I'm 5'5" and ~155lbs.

[ashnut]

yeah DW ruptured a few discs in his back so he lost an inch off his height :)

just kidding but on a serious note you used to say you were 5'6" so whats up

[DieselWeasel]

yeah DW ruptured a few discs in his back so he lost an inch off his height :)

just kidding but on a serious note you used to say you were 5'6" so whats up

Ruptured discs? Never.

I was rounding up. I'm actually between 5'5" and 5'6" without shoes, like 5'5.5".

[DieselWeasel]

01/12/06 - Back / Grip

2" Axle Double Overhand Deadlift (new)
110x8
160x3
200x3
230x1 <= My grip was spent after the first rep.
- The last three sets are in the video.


2" Axle Row (new)
110x8
160x3
180x6
- All of these sets are in the video.

video: http://media.putfile.com/max_axle_dead_do_230x1_row_180x6

[sniffy54]

good workout. good form with the deads. everything looked strong. that thick grip is a bitch but builds great grip strength. i used to curl with one of those axles so i know how much more effort it is.

[sniffy54]

01/11/06 - Event Training

It was rainining again! :mad:

Farmer's Walk
105s - 50 feet <= after the turn @ 50 feet, one of the collars came off and the weights fell off
225s - 22 feet (+15lbs in each hand PR)
video: http://media.putfile.com/max_farmer_225s_22

those were impressive

[ashnut]

not even the nazi's can find any fault with that form.

[PitzaPapa]

excellent work deezter


HAHAHA IM RIPPING YOU OFF, I NEVER SENT YOU A PACKAGE


ahah j/p dude.

keep on truckin

[DieselWeasel]

sniffy54 and PitzaPapa: Thanks guys.

ashnut: There will always be someone or some people talking **** about my lifts/videos, regardless of the form.

[BenT]

Nice work. Good form too.

[dirtpool]

nice lifting in the video, I got a question though...obviously you can d/lift and row more with a standard barbell...so are you using the 2" bar exclusively for your grip, why not hit your back with a standard barbell so you can use more weight and do grip work seperately? I guess I can see where using the thick bar would be practical for strongman competitions since you're dealing with lots of awkward objects that require a strong "practical" grip...anyway, nice lifting

[DieselWeasel]

nice lifting in the video, I got a question though...obviously you can d/lift and row more with a standard barbell...so are you using the 2" bar exclusively for your grip, why not hit your back with a standard barbell so you can use more weight and do grip work seperately? I guess I can see where using the thick bar would be practical for strongman competitions since you're dealing with lots of awkward objects that require a strong "practical" grip...anyway, nice lifting

How dare you question my training methodology! jk ;)

You're right, but this was the first time that I used the thickbar for deads and rows, so I wanted to see what I could do.

[tom4212]

01/12/06 - Back / Grip

2" Axle Double Overhand Deadlift (new)
110x8
160x3
200x3
230x1 <= My grip was spent after the first rep.
- The last three sets are in the video.


2" Axle Row (new)
110x8
160x3
180x6
- All of these sets are in the video.

video: http://media.putfile.com/max_axle_dead_do_230x1_row_180x6


Good job. Reps looked good and strong. Completely different from the others.

[moomoomonkeys]

01/12/06 - Back / Grip

2" Axle Double Overhand Deadlift (new)
110x8
160x3
200x3
230x1 <= My grip was spent after the first rep.
- The last three sets are in the video.


2" Axle Row (new)
110x8
160x3
180x6
- All of these sets are in the video.

video: http://media.putfile.com/max_axle_dead_do_230x1_row_180x6
nice lifting keep it up

[LiftingKid]

Why do people always put their videos under putfile. I can't even see them......

[DieselWeasel]

Why do people always put their videos under putfile. I can't even see them......

Maybe your codecs need to be updated.

tom4212 and moomoomonkeys: Thanks guys.

[DieselWeasel]

01/14/06 - Event Training

Log Clean and Press
90x8
110x3
130x3
155x1 (+5lb PR)
video: http://media.putfile.com/max_log_cleanpress_155x1

[Squats]

Diesel,

Why don't you keep your back straight when lifting? And I don't want some joke reply, I want some honest answers...

[DieselWeasel]

Diesel,

Why don't you keep your back straight when lifting? And I don't want some joke reply, I want some honest answers...

Did you watch my last thickbar video with deadlifts and rows?

[Squats]

Did you watch my last thickbar video with deadlifts and rows?
Not yet, but your deadlift form has always been terrible. Why did you lift with your back rounded and not arched?

[DieselWeasel]

Not yet, but your deadlift form has always been terrible. Why did you lift with your back rounded and not arched?

My back was arched in the last thickbar video.

[Squats]

My back was arched in the last thickbar video.
You're not answering the question, I don't mean now, I mean in the past when your back was rounded. Why did you never arch your back back then?

[Newbtime]

Did you watch my last thickbar video with deadlifts and rows?
I did.

Your form was VERY good in that video, That is how you should deadlift.

[DieselWeasel]

You're not answering the question, I don't mean now, I mean in the past when your back was rounded. Why did you never arch your back back then?

The past is the past. I'm not going to rehash my old lifts with you.

Oldtime: Thanks.

EDIT: What's interesting is how I still haven't received feedback regarding the workout and video that I posted, earlier today.

[Squats]

Well this is exactly what I thought would happen. Diesel you always seem to avoid a lot of things. If I see one more deadlift video of you going for a max of almost 500 pounds for 0 reps and horrible form the question will come back up. Hopefully John Pinder will help you out with your form.

[DieselWeasel]

Well this is exactly what I thought would happen. Diesel you always seem to avoid a lot of things. If I see one more deadlift video of you going for a max of almost 500 pounds for 0 reps and horrible form the question will come back up. Hopefully John Pinder will help you out with your form.

Who is John Pinder and how is he going to help me if I don't know him?

[Squats]

Who is John Pinder and how is he going to help me if I don't know him?
You know him, you just don't know it. Learn his real name...

[Newbtime]

Oldtime: Thanks.


Np.

But really, your form in that thickbar dead vid, was 110% then when you are doing regular deadlifts. Just keep deadlifting like that, as the weight gets heavy, keep your back straight, and dont hitch. Just like in the video.

Btw, When your back is curved, it affects your lockout strength, That is also why you have piss poor lockout, AND it makes it easier off the floor, which is why you are so strong off the floor.

[AJ010]

Yeah bro.

Diesel: Remember, lock out your knees when the bars high up on your thighs!

[DieselWeasel]

You know him, you just don't know it. Learn his real name...

How about instead of playing games, you tell me who he is?

EDIT: Nevermind. He's Exmgq. How is he supposed to help me if he lives in North or South Carolina?

[Squats]

How about instead of playing games, you tell me who he is?

EDIT: Nevermind. He's Exmgq. How is he supposed to help me if he lives in North or South Carolina?
See, now you get it.

I am saying Ex will straighten you out. And Ron or Jcp, if you train with them will straighten out your back.

[DieselWeasel]

See, now you get it.

I am saying Ex will straighten you out. And Ron or Jcp, if you train with them will straighten out your back.

Training with Ron could be a possibility because he lives in Jersey which isn't too far from me. But I don't drive, so I don't know.

[DieselWeasel]

Have you ever tried sumo deads?

I was thinking about this lately and I will probably do at least a little bit of sumo deads before the strongman contest in April. I read in Julie Havelka's book, 'Personal Best', that doing speed sumo deads with high reps helps explosiveness with the tire flip event.

[Gwailo168]

I was thinking about this lately and I will probably do at least a little bit of sumo deads before the strongman contest in April. I read in Julie Havelka's book, 'Personal Best', that doing speed sumo deads with high reps helps explosiveness with the tire flip event.


really sumo speed deadlifts help with tire flip? I would think a speed movement with a more narrow stance would be better.

[DieselWeasel]

really sumo speed deadlifts help with tire flip? I would think a speed movement with a more narrow stance would be better.

In regards to tire flipping, a narrow stance deadlift would only benefit a person if they flipped tires with a narrow stance and most people don't do that, including me. Watch how I flipped the tire at the Strongest Man in PA. I was using either a wide or semi-wide stance, like the other competitors there.

[DieselWeasel]

01/15/06 - Lower Body

2" Axle Zercher Deadlift + Zercher Squat
110x8
140x3
185x6 (+5lb and +3 rep PR)
video: http://media.putfile.com/max_axle_zerchersquat_185x6

[Gwailo168]

In regards to tire flipping, a narrow stance deadlift would only benefit a person if they flipped tires with a narrow stance and most people don't do that, including me. Watch how I flipped the tire at the Strongest Man in PA. I was using either a wide or semi-wide stance, like the other competitors there.

I just watched the video and you flip much much wider than me or my friends.

But it doesn't matter how you flip it, just as long as you flip it, right??

It just seems like it would be hard to flip a 1000lbs+ tire that wide...

[DieselWeasel]

I just watched the video and you flip much much wider than me or my friends.

But it doesn't matter how you flip it, just as long as you flip it, right??

It just seems like it would be hard to flip a 1000lbs+ tire that wide...

I have no idea about heavier tires. I only flipped one tire in my life and it was 500lbs at the Strongest Man in PA.

[deepsquatter]

I just watched that Strongest man in PA video. You've got heart. No quit in you.
Keep on getting stronger.

[DieselWeasel]

I just watched that Strongest man in PA video. You've got heart. No quit in you.
Keep on getting stronger.

Thanks, man. I appreciate that. I hope your training goes well too. :)

BTW, people: I now have a new training journal on marunde-muscle.com, Jesse Marunde's board. I will still maintain this journal along with the new one. Here is a link to the new journal:
http://www.marunde-muscle.com/forum/showthread.php?p=23992

[PitzaPapa]

good stuff deez, big pr.

lets hope ur package comes tomorrow :)

[DieselWeasel]

good stuff deez, big pr.

lets hope ur package comes tomorrow :)

Thanks.

I will definitely let you know, whether or not it arrives tomorrow.

[Strong-Bad]

I've seen some of your videos. I have got to tell you that you have great heart when it comes to training that it may take you to new levels in the future, but do yourself a favor and lift weights that are manageable with STRICT form, every once in a while try to break PRs do not try to destroy them. Take progress a piece at a time and you won't get hurt. If you lift like that all the time, you will get seriously injured. Maybe not now because you are not lifting that heavy, but continue lifting like that with heavy weights and you'll have a very short career with any strength sport. I must say though that if I had your drive, I'd be a world record holder. Later and train hard.

[DieselWeasel]

I've seen some of your videos. I have got to tell you that you have great heart when it comes to training that it may take you to new levels in the future, but do yourself a favor and lift weights that are manageable with STRICT form, every once in a while try to break PRs do not try to destroy them. Take progress a piece at a time and you won't get hurt. If you lift like that all the time, you will get seriously injured. Maybe not now because you are not lifting that heavy, but continue lifting like that with heavy weights and you'll have a very short career with any strength sport. I must say though that if I had your drive, I'd be a world record holder. Later and train hard.

Yeah, I'm going to try to train smarter.

[Newbtime]

Yeah, I'm going to try to train smarter.
Bro, There is no try only i will. ;)

Deadlift with the form you did in your thickbar dead video.

[Tank87]

yo yo yo yo

[moomoomonkeys]

01/15/06 - Lower Body

2" Axle Zercher Deadlift + Zercher Squat
110x8
140x3
185x6 (+5lb and +3 rep PR)
video: http://media.putfile.com/max_axle_zerchersquat_185x6
nice man and i like your new form on those thick bar deads

[DieselWeasel]

nice man and i like your new form on those thick bar deads

Thanks.

Tank: Get ready for some pain on Thursday, bro. :)

[Tank87]

Alright man bring it..
Btw do you wanna train wendsday instead? Or even maybe tommorow but its up to you thursdays cool too.

[DieselWeasel]

Alright man bring it..
Btw do you wanna train wendsday instead? Or even maybe tommorow but its up to you thursdays cool too.

It depends on what you want to train. We'll discuss it on AIM.

[DieselWeasel]

01/16/06 - Biceps/Forearms

2" Axle Cheat Curl
40x8
80x6
115x4 (+5lb and +1 rep PR)


2" Axle Reverse Curl
75x6 (+5lb PR)
- The 4th rep did not reach my chin like the others, but I'm still counting it.

video: http://media.putfile.com/max_axle_cheatcurl_115x4_reversecurl_75x4
- Both exercises are included in the video.

[ashnut]

does the thickbar affect your curling strength?

edit: as in can you put as much weight on the bar as you'd normally do

[DieselWeasel]

does the thickbar affect your curling strength?

edit: as in can you put as much weight on the bar as you'd normally do

The 2" thickbar definitely reduces curl poundage with both the curl and reverse curl. It's been a while since I did olympic barbell curls, but I believe my best cheat curl with an oly bar was 140 or 145 for one rep, if I'm not mistaken. That was a while ago too, sometime during the spring or summer.

[DennyB]

Deisel,

Looks like Jesse taken you under his wing and will not allow naysayers to bash you and has offered to critique your workouts to boot. Pretty good stuff and quite an offer. I am curious tho as to why the name change on his board. You have built that moniker up to an infamous level, with his tutelage you can prove all the doubters wrong and have the last laugh. Best of luck in the future.

[DieselWeasel]

Deisel,

Looks like Jesse taken you under his wing and will not allow naysayers to bash you and has offered to critique your workouts to boot. Pretty good stuff and quite an offer. I am curious tho as to why the name change on his board. You have built that moniker up to an infamous level, with his tutelage you can prove all the doubters wrong and have the last laugh. Best of luck in the future.

I used my real name instead of DieselWeasel because that is Jesse's rule since it's his board.

[DieselWeasel]

01/17/06 - Lower Back

I did not wear a belt during this workout.

2" Axle Mixed-Grip Deadlift (new)
110x8
160x3
210x3
260x1
300x1
330x1
350x1
370x1
video: http://media.putfile.com/max_axle_deadlift_mixed_370x1
- The last five sets are in the video.

[PitzaPapa]

nicely done deez. how was the grip? tough to hold that 2'' bad boy or what?

[DieselWeasel]

nicely done deez. how was the grip? tough to hold that 2'' bad boy or what?

It was definitely more difficult to hold the axle when I used a double overhand grip, last week, compared to the mixed grip that I did today. But it was still tough even with the mixed grip because of the thickness of the bar.

[DennyB]

I didn't know that was a requirement by Jesse. In any event, good luck on the training.

P.S. Your form on the 2" bar deadlifts looked good and you also looked like you were setting up deeper than usual. Nice lifting

[DieselWeasel]

I didn't know that was a requirement by Jesse. In any event, good luck on the training.

P.S. Your form on the 2" bar deadlifts looked good and you also looked like you were setting up deeper than usual. Nice lifting

Thanks.

[Newbtime]

01/17/06 - Lower Back

I did not wear a belt during this workout.

2" Axle Mixed-Grip Deadlift (new)
110x8
160x3
210x3
260x1
300x1
330x1
350x1
370x1
video: http://media.putfile.com/max_axle_deadlift_mixed_370x1
- The last five sets are in the video.
Sick ****en deadlifts bro, Your form was spot on, Good work man.

[DieselWeasel]

Sick ****en deadlifts bro, Your form was spot on, Good work man.

Thanks. However, I still locked out my damn knees too early. I suck. :mad:

[AJ010]

**** yeah man...very good form!

just work on that early knee lockout with 100lbs or somethin each time you use the axle, just as a warmup and for form work...2 birds 1 stone :cool:

[DieselWeasel]

**** yeah man...very good form!

just work on that with 100lbs or somethin each time you use the axle, just as a warmup and for form work...2 birds 1 stone :cool:

I don't know. I'm a lazy mofo. ;)

[AJ010]

I don't know. I'm a lazy mofo. ;)

Do it...OR ELSE.

j/k haha

[DieselWeasel]

Do it...OR ELSE.

j/k haha

Oh snap! :eek: :D

[AJ010]

haha deeeez weeeeeeeeez

[DieselWeasel]

haha deeeez weeeeeeeeez

Hell yeah. You better recognize! :cool:

[AJ010]

word to the big bird

[Woden]

01/17/06 - Lower Back

I did not wear a belt during this workout.

2" Axle Mixed-Grip Deadlift (new)
110x8
160x3
210x3
260x1
300x1
330x1
350x1
370x1
video: http://media.putfile.com/max_axle_deadlift_mixed_370x1
- The last five sets are in the video.


Nice work dude, very impressive. Have you ever tried to deadlift and Inch replica?

[Gwailo168]

Nice work dude, very impressive. Have you ever tried to deadlift and Inch replica?

Many men have tried, but only a few have found the glory

If you can deadlift the inch dumbbell, that is one hell of a strength feat that many pro strongman can't even do.

Glad to hear people are coming around Max, keep up the good work

[GoJu]

01/17/06 - Lower Back

I did not wear a belt during this workout.

2" Axle Mixed-Grip Deadlift (new)
110x8
160x3
210x3
260x1
300x1
330x1
350x1
370x1
video: http://media.putfile.com/max_axle_deadlift_mixed_370x1
- The last five sets are in the video.

Nice Deadlifting dude, another enjoyable video, keep 'em coming!

[DieselWeasel]

heres a sweet vid of deeeez weeez if you wanna check it out, i stumbled apon it today. enjoy

http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/view.php?pg=weightliftinggonebad

We had a positive vibe and then you had to go and **** it up. Good job.

[deepsquatter]

01/17/06 - Lower Back

http://media.putfile.com/max_axle_deadlift_mixed_370x1
- The last five sets are in the video.

How long do you rest between sets? On the first rep, it's daylight but for each rep after that it's darker and darker. By the time you get to the last rep, all I can see is the jugs, your socks and the light. LOL

Your form does look a bit better. Don't get discouraged about the knee lock thing. You've been doing it a long time and it's going to take more than a workout or two to fix it and get it consistent.

It's like fat people that expect to lose 60 lbs in a month when it took them 10 years to get as fat as they are. You have to remind them to take it one step (away from the food LOL) at a time.

[DieselWeasel]

How long do you rest between sets? On the first rep, it's daylight but for each rep after that it's darker and darker. By the time you get to the last rep, all I can see is the jugs, your socks and the light. LOL

It only looks that way because I started late.

[DieselWeasel]

01/19/06 - Push

2" Axle Clean and Press
40x8
70x3
110x3
150x6 (+5lb and +1 rep PR)
video: http://media.putfile.com/max_axle_cleanpress_150x6

[AJ010]

Much better clean man! Strong presses

[DieselWeasel]

Much better clean man! Strong presses

Thanks. :)

[PitzaPapa]

wowowowoowwow nice stuff deez.

drive head through and dont look at bar - just reminding you so it will stick in ur head for next time.

also once or twice it looked like u went to drive with legs before bar was on chest.

im impressed man keep on truckin

[DieselWeasel]

wowowowoowwow nice stuff deez.

drive head through and dont look at bar - just reminding you so it will stick in ur head for next time.

also once or twice it looked like u went to drive with legs before bar was on chest.

im impressed man keep on truckin

Thanks.

I thought I only had that problem (looking up at the implement) when doing the log press. Thanks for catching that.

[incognito_DK]

good cleans and presses there..

When doing any kind of pushpresses or jerks, the bar should start resting on your shoulders at the beginning of the movement, you should not be using any effort whatsoever to hold it.

IF you're actively holding it (as you're doing on the first 4 reps), the leg drive will have to go through your shoulders and as the leg drive is usually much more forceful than the shoulders, this can very easily lead to a ****ed shoulder. Instead, the bar should rest on the shoulder as in a front squat and you will generate leg drive by lowering your hip, but not pushing the hips backwards

Also to expand on the thing about not looking at the bar, try to press it up and backwards, effectively resulting in a position where your head is in front of your arms. If you're in doubt about where this position is, I'd strongly advice you to do some overhead squats

Actually: Do some overhead squats! They will give great hip/hamstring flexibility while strengthening your core and learn you to kip your lower back tight.

Is there any posibility you could film your clean/dead videos from the side?

EDIT: didn't notice the earlier comments on the same things.. sorry.

[DennyB]

Clean and pressing your own bodyweight, good stuff Max. For your Strongest Man comp's is it necessary to lock out?

[ashnut]

We had a positive vibe and then you had to go and **** it up. Good job.

heres a lifting gone bad vid with a different feel to it. to lighten up the mood again http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1137752793/Weightlifting_Mishaps_Compilation

nice going on the clean&press. made them look easy

[AJ010]

heres a lifting gone bad vid with a different feel to it. to lighten up the mood again http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1137752793/Weightlifting_Mishaps_Compilation

nice going on the clean&press. made them look easy

ROFLMAO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH omg

[DieselWeasel]

You guys are too silly. :)


01/20/06 - Grip

This was my first time bending since July 2005 and it was also the first time that I used leather pads instead of the IronMind cordura pads. Porky, your leather pads are cool. :cool:

Bending
IronMind white nail - bent
IM white - bent
IM green - bent
~4" x 3/16" stock (not measured) - bent
grade 5 bolt - total failure <= That kinda sucks because I bent one g5 bolt, last July.
IM blue nail - bent
4.0" blue nail - kinked
- My best cut blue bend was a 5.0" blue in July. So a kinked 4.0" blue aint too shabby. Here is a pic:

[PitzaPapa]

nice stuff man. you will get that g5 again soon.

[DieselWeasel]

nice stuff man. you will get that g5 again soon.

Thanks. Those leather wraps are damn good. :)

[AJ010]

So you liked porky's package huh? ;)

[DieselWeasel]

So you liked porky's package huh? ;)

Sicko! :mad: ;)

[DieselWeasel]

01/21/06 - Strongman Conditioning

I used my new empty keg as a warmup tool. I did sprint and carry, clean and press, front squat with the empty keg. It weighs ~30lbs.

Sandbag Loading (new)
150lb bag onto 35" wall - 5 loads in 84 seconds
video: http://media.putfile.com/max_sandbag_load_150_5_84

[DieselWeasel]

01/22/06 - Lower Body

These zerchers are no joke!

2" Axle Zercher Deadlift + Zercher Squat
110x1 + 110x8
160x1 + 160x3
200x1 + 200x2
video: http://media.putfile.com/max_axle_zercherdeadsquat_200x2

[PitzaPapa]

Wahaha I Alrdy Posted At Marunde, So Im Just Gonna Say Blackah Blicky Blah

[DieselWeasel]

Wahaha I Alrdy Posted At Marunde, So Im Just Gonna Say Blackah Blicky Blah

Porky, you incoherent mofo! ;)

[SoG]

Max,

Had to log-in and commend you on your form. Good job leaving the ego at the door and hitting the deadlift like it should be hit. Keep doing your deadlifts like that and no doubt the weight will continue to increase.


-Dave

[BORG4]

Max,

Had to log-in and commend you on your form. Good job leaving the ego at the door and hitting the deadlift like it should be hit. Keep doing your deadlifts like that and no doubt the weight will continue to increase.


-Dave

This guys deadlift is absolutely AWFUL. Completely the wrong way to do it.

The funny part is that the entire internet makes fun of this clown. Hell, he was even added to video titled powerlifting idiots.

Diesel, do you wonder why people look at you in the gym and laugh? Use proper form, your not suppose to have your back bent like butter and jerk the weight up.

Use proper form you wannabe.

[DieselWeasel]

This guys deadlift is absolutely AWFUL. Completely the wrong way to do it.

The funny part is that the entire internet makes fun of this clown. Hell, he was even added to video titled powerlifting idiots.

Diesel, do you wonder why people look at you in the gym and laugh? Use proper form, your not suppose to have your back bent like butter and jerk the weight up.

Use proper form you wannabe.

When did anyone laugh at me in the gym? I don't know where you got that from. The only thing that I've enountered were people watching me.

Here's some negative rep points for you, Mr. Troll.

[AJ010]

This guys deadlift is absolutely AWFUL. Completely the wrong way to do it.

The funny part is that the entire internet makes fun of this clown. Hell, he was even added to video titled powerlifting idiots.

Diesel, do you wonder why people look at you in the gym and laugh? Use proper form, your not suppose to have your back bent like butter and jerk the weight up.

Use proper form you wannabe.

His 370lb deadlift with the axle looked pretty good.

[Newbtime]

This guys deadlift is absolutely AWFUL. Completely the wrong way to do it.


I think diesle is a little confused, Why dont you post up a video of you using picture perfect form, And show him how its done. If not, Shut up. He is making progress, And perfecting form takes time, If you cannot grasp this fact tightley you should step back from the Mr. advice title.

Once again, idiocy prevails, As you beat a dead horse over and over, Congradulations.

[DieselWeasel]

01/24/06 - Biceps/Forearms

2" Axle Cheat Curl
40x8
80x6
120x4 (+5lb PR)


2" Axle Reverse Curl
40x8
80x7 (+5lb + 1 rep PR)

video: http://media.putfile.com/max_axle_curl120x4_rcurl80x7
- Both exercises are included in the video.

[PitzaPapa]

2 words- spring cleaning :D

nicejob deez

[BORG4]

How the hell am I a troll? I've been registered here longer then you.

The entire internet laughs at you, other bodybuilding boards have threads on your video's laughing there asses off. When your doing deadlifts your NOT suppose to bend your back. Your NOT suppose to be jerking it up and cheating and using your entire body the jerk up the weight.

Why the hell are you in denial? Am I making this up? No. Do your **** properly.

And this is how to PROPERLY deadlift minus the bouncing.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4869856483714733844&q=deadlift

[Newbtime]

How the hell am I a troll? I've been registered here longer then you.

The entire internet laughs at you, other bodybuilding boards have threads on your video's laughing there asses off. When your doing deadlifts your NOT suppose to bend your back. Your NOT suppose to be jerking it up and cheating and using your entire body the jerk up the weight.

Why the hell are you in denial? Am I making this up? No. Do your **** properly.

And this is how to PROPERLY deadlift minus the bouncing.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4869856483714733844&q=deadlift
Dude, Seriously, Shut the hell up. He is making progress. Stop ****ing flooding his journal with **** you ***.

[BORG4]

I'm not flooding his thread with ****. It's constructive criticism.

He needs to learn how to do things properly, and to stop cheating himself.

[BigJohn308]

Far be it from me to diss anyone., but I do have to ask why do so many of your moves include "cheating"? So much involvement from the rest of teh body on say the deadlift or curls? I train for competition and its just so foreign to me. What are your goals with this type of lifting? Again this is not a diss, just curiosity.

[AJ010]

I'm not flooding his thread with ****. It's constructive criticism.

He needs to learn how to do things properly, and to stop cheating himself.

Did you see his 2" axle deadlift with 370lbs?

[BORG4]

Did you see his 2" axle deadlift with 370lbs?

Sorry, I'll be more specific. It was on the 2 or 3 video's where did something like 400-500lb reg. deadlifts.

[AJ010]

Sorry, I'll be more specific. It was on the 2 or 3 video's where did something like 400-500lb reg. deadlifts.

Oh alright.

Yeah his form with 370 was much better. He's trying to fix his uneven lockout too. He finally dropped the weight :cool:

[DieselWeasel]

Far be it from me to diss anyone., but I do have to ask why do so many of your moves include "cheating"? So much involvement from the rest of teh body on say the deadlift or curls? I train for competition and its just so foreign to me. What are your goals with this type of lifting? Again this is not a diss, just curiosity.

I cheat with the axle curls because it helps my performance and strength with the log clean and tire flip.

[BigJohn308]

I cheat with the axle curls because it helps my performance and strength with the log clean and tire flip.

Weasel I ahve seen you deadlift and some of your other lifts. You "cheat" on almost all of them. I honestly think you would get stronger if you would use a weight that let you use some semblance of form. I am honestly trying to offer helpful advice. If I just dont get it then say so. But if you just like getting the absolute most weight you can off teh floor no matter how it comes up then by all means knock ya self out LOL. Remember this though, it only takes once to REALLY REALLY fuch yer back up....

[DieselWeasel]

Weasel I ahve seen you deadlift and some of your other lifts. You "cheat" on almost all of them. I honestly think you would get stronger if you would use a weight that let you use some semblance of form. I am honestly trying to offer helpful advice. If I just dont get it then say so. But if you just like getting the absolute most weight you can off teh floor no matter how it comes up then by all means knock ya self out LOL. Remember this though, it only takes once to REALLY REALLY fuch yer back up....

It looks like you haven't seen my last two axle deadlift videos.

[Newbtime]

I'm not flooding his thread with ****. It's constructive criticism.

Call it what you want, IT IS NOT NEEDED.

[Newbtime]

Sorry, I'll be more specific. It was on the 2 or 3 video's where did something like 400-500lb reg. deadlifts.

Weasel I ahve seen you deadlift and some of your other lifts. You "cheat" on almost all of them. I honestly think you would get stronger if you would use a weight that let you use some semblance of form. I am honestly trying to offer helpful advice. If I just dont get it then say so. But if you just like getting the absolute most weight you can off teh floor no matter how it comes up then by all means knock ya self out LOL. Remember this though, it only takes once to REALLY REALLY fuch yer back up....

Both of you, Please watch his latest videos. He is chaning his form.

Your talking about lifts he has done a while ago before he has changed his form.

[BigJohn308]

It looks like you haven't seen my last two axle deadlift videos.


No I havent seen those. Why dont ya post them so I can. This thread is WAY too long for me to look all the way thru it LOL. I would like to see them.

[BORG4]

Call it what you want, IT IS NOT NEEDED.


Get off of his nuts you flamer.