To all those that PM'ed me about making them a diet and training program [Archive]

Beast

04-09-2004, 05:58 AM

To all those that PM'ed me about making them a diet and training program:
I honestly do not have the time to make individual plans for everyone. I spend a lot of time as it is checking this section. I would hope that the info in this section would be enough to help you design your own setup. I could easily email everyone a cookie-cutter setup, but that is not what I am all about.

Being a broke college student, I am always looking for make some money. I tried in person training in my area, my training the average person who wants to "tone up" just wasn't for me. I would love to train other bodybuilders and hopefully im the future I can devote my time to doing that in person. But for now, I am willing to do online personal training. Be it just a diet, just a training routine, both, or daily/weekly assistance. For those that don't know, I am completing my sophomore year as a Exercise Physiology major and am also an ACE certified personal trainer. If anyone is interested, you can PM me about what you want and we can discuss the price, etc.

I wish I could help everyone for free, as it is what I have been doing for the past 5 years. But it is not possible now.

Harland

04-09-2004, 06:22 AM

if you ever move to florida. I'll dish out some cash and we can workout together :D

Heisman

04-09-2004, 09:26 AM

LOL. How many people have PMed you?

Everybody, there are plenty of knowledgable people who can help you on this site. Derek isn't the be all and end all of people to ask for advice. There are many people who will help you with diets and training programs. I'll help anybody with training, but my nutritional knowledge isn't that good, so I can't help you there. Just look around for the people who seem knowledgable and ask them.

fmusclekg

04-11-2004, 11:19 AM

I'd pay you for online training/advice. I need at least one person to guide me, since I have no one right now. After seeing your pictures of you outside last year, I think anyone would want your advice.

scott_donald

04-11-2004, 01:57 PM

this is not a jibe but i just dont like the way that you posted that...

not really fair...

fmusclekg

04-11-2004, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by scott_donald
this is not a jibe but i just dont like the way that you posted that...

not really fair...

Who are you talking about?

scott_donald

04-11-2004, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by fmusclekg
Who are you talking about?

beast...

fmusclekg

04-11-2004, 02:08 PM

I don't see a problem with it, maybe i'm missing your point though.

scott_donald

04-11-2004, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by fmusclekg
I don't see a problem with it, maybe i'm missing your point though.

well the point in the message board is free advice.. bob adn tom do it for free many of us do it for free... so why is it right for him to say pm and we can discuss a price... people have got banned for the same thing...

fmusclekg

04-11-2004, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by scott_donald
well the point in the message board is free advice.. bob adn tom do it for free many of us do it for free... so why is it right for him to say pm and we can discuss a price... people have got banned for the same thing...

Very true, but personally I think it would depend on the price. Also I think Bob and Tom get paid by bbing.com, so that's a different story.

scott_donald

04-11-2004, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by fmusclekg
Very true, but personally I think it would depend on the price. Also I think Bob and Tom get paid by bbing.com, so that's a different story.

bob does but i dont think tom does...

any price is still a price...

Mighty Mikey G

04-11-2004, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by scott_donald
well the point in the message board is free advice.. bob adn tom do it for free many of us do it for free... so why is it right for him to say pm and we can discuss a price... people have got banned for the same thing...

Bob gets paid but I don't know about Tom. I agree though why would anybody want to pay this guy Beast for anything?

Grrrr

04-11-2004, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by fmusclekg
I don't see a problem with it, maybe i'm missing your point though.

eh, better not

fmusclekg

04-11-2004, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by Grrrr
eh, better not

yeah sure dude.........

I never said I had a problem with what beast posted.

scott_donald

04-11-2004, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by fmusclekg
yeah sure dude.........

I never said I had a problem with what beast posted.

he edited his original post...

fmusclekg

04-11-2004, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by scott_donald
he edited his original post...

Where does it say that?

noeyedea

04-11-2004, 02:46 PM

i dont think it's that big of a deal that derek is charging people for training them, people pmed him and asked him to construct a personal routine for them, not just little tips and advice, we're talking about a whole training and nutritional routine for the individual, these people comes to derek for help, and if he takes his time out to tailor a routine for them, he should get something back in return, it's a small price to pay, but it's a win win situation, everyone gets what they want out of it. if they dont like that idea, then they can just follow his threads and ask other people on this forum for free advice.

scott_donald

04-11-2004, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by noeyedea
i dont think it's that big of a deal that derek is charging people for training them, people pmed him and asked him to construct a personal routine for them, not just little tips and advice, we're talking about a whole training and nutritional routine for the individual, these people comes to derek for help, and if he takes his time out to tailor a routine for them, he should get something back in return, it's a small price to pay, but it's a win win situation, everyone gets what they want out of it. if they dont like that idea, then they can just follow his threads and ask other people on this forum for free advice.

i do that with about 10 pms a day...

Heisman

04-11-2004, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by scott_donald
i do that with about 10 pms a day...

10? Damn. I'm lucky if I get 3 a week.

scott_donald

04-11-2004, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by Heisman
10? Damn. I'm lucky if I get 3 a week.

had 14 today but that was from the last two days....

fmusclekg

04-11-2004, 03:06 PM

Derek sells himself. By posting pictures, writing articles, being ACE certified, competing, and he's always giving free tips on the boards. If you took courses in college, became a certified personal trainer, would you want to train people for free? It sounds like the right thing to do, why not make some money?

scott_donald

04-11-2004, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by fmusclekg
Derek sells himself. By posting pictures, writing articles, being ACE certified, competing, and he's always giving free tips on the boards. If you took courses in college, became a certified personal trainer, would you want to train people for free? It sounds like the right thing to do, why not make some money?

by all means... but i dont think he should advertise that on here...

noeyedea

04-11-2004, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by scott_donald
i do that with about 10 pms a day...

thats good for you, im glad there are people like you on this board, you guys helped out alot of people, but if people comes to derek for help, whats so bad about him trying to make some extra $ when he has to spend his time out and train them step by step. if some of them would just spend some time and research they could have come up with a routine of their own for zero $$. there should be a price to pay for laziness.

Heisman

04-11-2004, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by noeyedea
thats good for you, im glad there are people like you on this board, you guys helped out alot of people, but if people comes to derek for help, whats so bad about him trying to make some extra $ when he has to spend his time out and train them step by step. if some of them would just spend some time and research they could have come up with a routine of their own for zero $$. there should be a price to pay for laziness.

That's a good point. I believe that people should only offer and discuss payments when people PM him.

And Scott, I'm jealous. I want lots of people PMing me for help. Helping people is fun.

Beast

04-11-2004, 05:12 PM

What do you think I am doing with this section!? Are any of you paying to read this section? No. I am taking the time out of my life to do this section and everyone reading is not paying a dime.

I have been helping people online for close to 5 years, making routines, diets, etc. I you want to make people routines and diets, go ahead. But I am already putting in a ton of time and effort with this section.

I paid to get my certification. I am paying for my degree. God forbid I make some money, which is what the certification and degree are supposed to help you do. Lots of people offering online training. Those who visit other sites have seen Dante (Dogg Crapp) advertising.

My offer still stands. Or I could just stop doing this section as I do not have to; I am doing it to help others.

SavesTheMuscle

04-11-2004, 06:13 PM

I know for a fact that this section is helping me!

I, as well as others, surely appreciate this section as well as your articles. I've learned so much from reading your articles as well as tracking your posts and threads + reviews. Hell, I want to go to Michigan (college) just so I can say I know Derek! No joke either.

I know you've helped my out with my questions and given me great responses and I'd like to thank you for that. I talk about you with all my friends like I knew you personally ;)

Why just the other day I told my girlfriend that you added cheerios to your 15 weeks out diet.

I'd just like to say thanks for it all the help Beast

:)

Beast

04-11-2004, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by Mighty Mikey G
Bob gets paid but I don't know about Tom. I agree though why would anybody want to pay this guy Beast for anything?

I don't know... what were all those people who I've personal trained thinking...

noeyedea

04-11-2004, 08:08 PM

i bet if BOB or Tom posted something like that, no one would even say one sh!t about it.

don't take it personal D, some of us really do appreciate your effort in doing this section, so please keep it going, and don't take any of this **** on here as an attack on you bro.

Matthew Shepard

04-11-2004, 09:07 PM

Get off his back, he has every right to charge people.

Why don't you go to one of the IFBB pros websitess and see how much they want to train with them/ ask for diet and training advice.

scott_donald

04-12-2004, 04:46 AM

i certainly think this setion is great and appreciating it...

Beast

04-12-2004, 04:49 AM

Originally posted by scott_donald
i certainly think this setion is great and appreciating it...

Not to change the subject, but I just noticed you had 17,000 posts! I guess you have helped a lot as well :D Bravo.

scott_donald

04-12-2004, 04:58 AM

Originally posted by Beast
Not to change the subject, but I just noticed you had 17,000 posts! I guess you have helped a lot as well :D Bravo.

thanks... but i just spend most of my time in misc section...

joking...

The Apocalypse

04-12-2004, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by SavesTheMuscle
Why just the other day I told my girlfriend that you added cheerios to your 15 weeks out diet.

:)

That may be the funniest line I have ever read before on this message board. But seriously, I do not blame Derek for charging people for advice. ****, he goes to school for like 6-8 hours a day(plus 2-3 hours before school with training and eating), not much extra time to give advice to 50-100 people in his free time. But with that being said, I could understand why some people wouldn't like the idea, so just don't pay and find the information yourself. And damn Scott, lots of posts there man. Keep it up.

sawastea

04-12-2004, 10:46 AM

I just noticed this sub-section (away for the weekend). Congrats Derek.

Beast

04-12-2004, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by sawastea
I just noticed this sub-section (away for the weekend). Congrats Derek.

Thanks buddy. This section is gradually building. So far, I am pleased with the way things are progressing.

str8flexed

04-12-2004, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by scott_donald
this is not a jibe but i just dont like the way that you posted that...

not really fair...

you ever had to deal with 10 emails, 10 PMs and 20 Instant messages per day asking you for advice and you dishing it all out for free? Taking hours out of your day to do it?

don't you go judging him

Jimmy_magix

04-13-2004, 03:00 AM

Originally posted by Beast
What do you think I am doing with this section!? Are any of you paying to read this section? No. I am taking the time out of my life to do this section and everyone reading is not paying a dime.

I have been helping people online for close to 5 years, making routines, diets, etc. I you want to make people routines and diets, go ahead. But I am already putting in a ton of time and effort with this section.

I paid to get my certification. I am paying for my degree. God forbid I make some money, which is what the certification and degree are supposed to help you do. Lots of people offering online training. Those who visit other sites have seen Dante (Dogg Crapp) advertising.

My offer still stands. Or I could just stop doing this section as I do not have to; I am doing it to help others.

Not to nitpick, but didn't you say that BB.com was paying your competition entry fee's and for your supplements. Not that this section isn't helpful.

scott_donald

04-13-2004, 04:00 AM

Originally posted by str8flexed
you ever had to deal with 10 emails, 10 PMs and 20 Instant messages per day asking you for advice and you dishing it all out for free? Taking hours out of your day to do it?

don't you go judging him

ye i have...

Beast

04-13-2004, 04:39 AM

Originally posted by Jimmy_magix
Not to nitpick, but didn't you say that BB.com was paying your competition entry fee's and for your supplements. Not that this section isn't helpful.

Entry fee is about $50. You get $25 per article you write for the site. How many articles do you think 15 weeks of updating and participating on this forum is worth?

str8flexed

04-13-2004, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by scott_donald
ye i have...

well then you are foolish for doing so

scott_donald

04-13-2004, 07:10 AM

Originally posted by str8flexed
well then you are foolish for doing so

why i like to help people....

str8flexed

04-13-2004, 07:19 AM

Originally posted by scott_donald
why i like to help people....

so does derek. But it reaches a point where it hurts the person who is dispensing advice.

1) Derek is a college student, also means he's poor
2) Derek is in the middle of contest prep right now
3) I'm sure Derek has a bunch of people at his school that he helps as well

all of these things take time. Should Derek make his time free to everyone? Is he suddenly a sellout if he wants to make money off of his advice, which is quite good at that? O hell... maybe Derek and I should quit ****ing college b/c we need to spend our time helping people for nothing at all. Derek has been dispensing advice on these boards for years as have I for no profit, just time. Probably 2-3 hours out of each of my days.

Did you know I can't even sign onto instant messenger for 5 minutes without being bombarded with IMs from people who want me to help them with bodybuilding advice? How the **** would you like it if you couldn't talk to you mother who lives 1,000 miles away b/c you were being bombarded by 8 other people at the same time who want free advice? I know for a fact Derek has the same situation.

Like I said, you never walked a mile in his shoes so don't judge him, it's foolishness

Beast

04-13-2004, 07:23 AM

Well said Layne.

scott_donald

04-13-2004, 07:29 AM

as i said before... i agree if it is his chosen field for his income then ofcourse he can charge for advise... but i just did not like the way he put it in the thread here...

i have finished my degree and taking a year out... there for this is the time where i can do it...of course he is busy and getting ready for a contest is something i will never do and feel for him doin it...

but agian this is one vvery pointless thing to discuss...

oh ye adn use a phone then its more private... hehe.,.,.

str8flexed

04-13-2004, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by scott_donald
as i said before... i agree if it is his chosen field for his income then ofcourse he can charge for advise... but i just did not like the way he put it in the thread here...

i have finished my degree and taking a year out... there for this is the time where i can do it...of course he is busy and getting ready for a contest is something i will never do and feel for him doin it...

but agian this is one vvery pointless thing to discuss...

oh ye adn use a phone then its more private... hehe.,.,.

it costs money to long-distance call my mother, money I don't have.

And why don't you like the way derek put it in this section? he did it here b/c most people that PM or IM or email him for advice probably read this section... it is easier than sending 100 IMs or 100 emails. c'mon guy, think about it

scott_donald

04-13-2004, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by str8flexed
it costs money to long-distance call my mother, money I don't have.

And why don't you like the way derek put it in this section? he did it here b/c most people that PM or IM or email him for advice probably read this section... it is easier than sending 100 IMs or 100 emails. c'mon guy, think about it

he has his own section there for people will read it and he is asking for money simple...

ok agreed calls cost money... but yet again u could ignore the people on msn etc...

str8flexed

04-13-2004, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by scott_donald
he has his own section there for people will read it and he is asking for money simple...

ok agreed calls cost money... but yet again u could ignore the people on msn etc...

and what would you say to that? Then I am an ******* if I ignore them.

scott_donald

04-13-2004, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by str8flexed
and what would you say to that? Then I am an ******* if I ignore them.

i ignore tech on msn all the time.. no biggy....

there is a time for everything...

Jimmy_magix

04-13-2004, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by Beast
Entry fee is about $50. You get $25 per article you write for the site. How many articles do you think 15 weeks of updating and participating on this forum is worth?

Point taken, but as a student currently £1100 in the red, I'd consider all 'freebies' to be good 'freebies'! In the meantime this has turned into quite a ****storm, so I will withdraw.

Layne and Derek, everyone really appreciates your advice, it's why you're both as repected within the online community as you are, which leads to more people asking you more questions becuase they know that you know your ****, kind of a vicious circle.

anyways, best of luck derek with the comp.

EliteBSU

04-13-2004, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by str8flexed
so does derek. But it reaches a point where it hurts the person who is dispensing advice.

1) Derek is a college student, also means he's poor
2) Derek is in the middle of contest prep right now
3) I'm sure Derek has a bunch of people at his school that he helps as well

all of these things take time. Should Derek make his time free to everyone? Is he suddenly a sellout if he wants to make money off of his advice, which is quite good at that? O hell... maybe Derek and I should quit ****ing college b/c we need to spend our time helping people for nothing at all. Derek has been dispensing advice on these boards for years as have I for no profit, just time. Probably 2-3 hours out of each of my days.

Did you know I can't even sign onto instant messenger for 5 minutes without being bombarded with IMs from people who want me to help them with bodybuilding advice? How the **** would you like it if you couldn't talk to you mother who lives 1,000 miles away b/c you were being bombarded by 8 other people at the same time who want free advice? I know for a fact Derek has the same situation.

Like I said, you never walked a mile in his shoes so don't judge him, it's foolishness
1. Your not mother f*cking terresa, you dont have to help everyone.
2. you can set up AIM so that only people on your buddy list can see your online, exactly how SHOT has his set up
3. Quit being a drama queen, if either of you are in contest prep, make a note that your putting more time into the contest and will be spending less time on the boards. sure you'll come back to a full PM box, and people will think your a dick because you dont resond... FUK them, its only the internet

BPP

04-13-2004, 09:43 AM

just to throw it in...i'm a college student too, I am in contest prep for a strongman contest not to mention nationals, when im not at school im running with the fire department, and I take the time to answer prolly 4-5 instant messages a day from new people as well as PMs and questions from those already on my list...so i mean, it is possible...

and the degree/etc is to get paid, obviously. but this is simple internet questions and help...plus you're still in school aren't you? I'm sure at one point you were in the exact same place these people were...they PM you guys bc your some of the best and well known on the board, theyre beginners, like you were, who just want some help. If itsTHAT much of a struggle, link them to articles, or your routine, or tell them to do their part, research a bit then come to you with specific questions. I just think it's a bit overdone to ask people to pay you to help when there are 1) pros, and 2) plenty of others here who compete and are knowledged who are willing to help for free

Beast

04-13-2004, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by bigpoppaproppy
I just think it's a bit overdone to ask people to pay you to help when there are 1) pros, and 2) plenty of others here who compete and are knowledged who are willing to help for free

Then they can ask them.
Like I said, I have been helping people for years. I have been making people programs for years. I answer all my PM's and emails. And I am not just talking about making them a routine and diet. I am talking about unlimited email (to my seperate account) and online chat sessions. I would not just make them a program and say see ya later.

Twin Peak

04-13-2004, 07:15 PM

Twin Peak

04-13-2004, 07:18 PM

Zen_Lifter

04-13-2004, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by scott_donald
i ignore tech on msn all the time.. no biggy....

there is a time for everything...

Scott....the one thing you have to realise is that Beast does give info for free...hes not saying he wont help people. He just doesnt have time to be laying out everything specifically for them. In all honesty this is something that anyone with any dedication could research and gather from the info posted by derek and others to create there own specific plan. Derek provides a wealth of knowledge to these boards and to say he is being selfish or "you dont like the way hes going about it" is absured.

Anyways...Physics final in the morn...what the hell am i doing on here.

scott_donald

04-14-2004, 03:40 AM

Originally posted by Zen_Lifter
Scott....the one thing you have to realise is that Beast does give info for free...hes not saying he wont help people. He just doesnt have time to be laying out everything specifically for them. In all honesty this is something that anyone with any dedication could research and gather from the info posted by derek and others to create there own specific plan. Derek provides a wealth of knowledge to these boards and to say he is being selfish or "you dont like the way hes going about it" is absured.

Anyways...Physics final in the morn...what the hell am i doing on here.

good luck...

and on a side note... i have voiced my opinion and its sticks... no one will persuade me other ways...

str8flexed

04-14-2004, 06:23 AM

Originally posted by Zen_Lifter
Scott....the one thing you have to realise is that Beast does give info for free...hes not saying he wont help people. He just doesnt have time to be laying out everything specifically for them. In all honesty this is something that anyone with any dedication could research and gather from the info posted by derek and others to create there own specific plan. Derek provides a wealth of knowledge to these boards and to say he is being selfish or "you dont like the way hes going about it" is absured.

Anyways...Physics final in the morn...what the hell am i doing on here.

exactly... specific advice is one thing... but a whole ****ing routine is a different routine. Any good routine is very specific to a person and requires time to make up... I'm talking about hours here. Yes, don't you know Derek should make all these routines for free.

Hey Derek, quit school and work for free, your good deeds will put food on the table :rolleyes:

scott_donald

04-14-2004, 06:34 AM

have i ever said that no... just he should not be asking for money on these forums...

EME

04-14-2004, 06:42 AM

Also,

If people choose to pay Derek to be their personal trainer, they will certainly be benefiting from the arrangement also.

Even the people who routinely help people for free, can only do so when their time allows and when they aren't working on something else to pay the bills.

If a customer has a professional agreement with Derek for him to personal train them, the customer would certainly expect to receive prompt help and for Derek to be more readily available than he is to others.

Derek has obviously worked hard to obtain the physique and certifications he has. His goal is certainly to profit from his hard work.

There may be some question as to whether this forum is the place to advertise his services, but it seems apparent to me that he was simply responding to the overwhelming amount of requests he is receiving from members of this forum.

Since the requests are coming from members of this forum, it seems only fair that he post a statement here for all interested to see, rather than typing the same thing 20 times per day to each individual person.

Good luck Derek with your personal training, school, and your contest preparation.

- EME