Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

[saiyenx]

noxycut

[chocochoco]

noxycut? have you even taken it before? you were still asking if they were any good yesterday and now, you are saying it is the best burner?

[classic308]

Lipo 6 X and Arginine-any reason why they shouldn't be taken together on an empty stomach before my early morning workout? thks!

[alinu]

I'm cutting and I use Hydroxycut Hardcore...Can I also take No'Explode before my training ? please reply

[rosepetal]

Hey all,
I'm not if this is the right place to ask..but here goes anyhow.
I am looking for a good fat burner and all the ones that are rated as working well have Yohimbine HCL- in them(lipo6 etc) thing is over here in Australia this is banned so can anyone suggest a product that would give me good results?
Cheers.

[fatcepts]

Hey all,
I'm not if this is the right place to ask..but here goes anyhow.
I am looking for a good fat burner and all the ones that are rated as working well have Yohimbine HCL- in them(lipo6 etc) thing is over here in Australia this is banned so can anyone suggest a product that would give me good results?
Cheers.

Dont know about that, I was thinking about VPX meltdown

[deicide22]

I'm cutting and I use Hydroxycut Hardcore...Can I also take No'Explode before my training ? please reply

you should be fine, just space the dosing out.

[vorthex]

Hi, I have a question. I'm 22, years old, male, 155 LB and looking to lose some fat before I start bulking.

My question is: when I have been on the treadmill in the gym, my heart rate has been apparently from 180-190

Is this too high for burning fat? My goal has always been to burn as many calories as I can, but I'm not sure if thats just making me lose muscle, or lose fat.

What heart rate obtain to lose fat? I feel like I'm doing nothing if im around 120's

[fadydrums]

just to share my thoughts with u everyone
i was around 236.5 lbs...now i reached 183.7...and my height is 187 cm!!

to tell u the whole story..i suffer from very bad migraines..so when i follow a diet..and soemtimes i get a bit hungry..that triggers my migraine...and all of the fat burners r not prescribed of course to people having headaches of any kinds!!

well i said let's start with a normal diet and cardio three timew per week..it was fine..then i stopped for a while..bought lipo6..i took around 60 caps during several days....it caused me headaches like helllll..and iw asn't doing any cardio...well...it's not a magic pill..u have to workout hard and get obsessed...after that i said..let's try hydroxycut hardcore...i bought a 120 bottle and to my astnoshiment....no headaches at alllllllllll...actually it helped me because amount of caffeine in the serving shuts off migraines in the set off of the attack...it works for me just fine...no migraines for more than a month now!!

i continued to do lots of cardio involving only jogging six times per week...and used ephedrine...well..ephderine is very strong...verrry strong....it slimmed me down very fast...but i got many problems in my kidneys and all my analysis were horrible..so i have to stop...and i went carzy...i took HH along wiht ephedrine...that was a combination that was going to make me kill someone of nevousness and anxiety..lol

now i started a month ago to play with weights...eat clean..do cardio..lots of srpints..and taking hydroxy cut hardcore....if u want extra boost take L-carnitine
my supps r :

-Fish oil 3000 mg
-chromium piconilate 400mcg
-L-carnitine..dose depends on kind of day
-CLA
-hydroxycut hardcore
-Whey protein

eat lots of vegetables,oatmeal(my best friend),white chicken ,tuna,egg whites..etc!
do lots of cardio and train hard of course!!
many people told me iw on't be able to reach my ideal weight...after losing that 52 pounds...i say wow...and i'm packing on muscle!!
NEVER GIVE UP...TRAIN HARD AND EXPECT SUCCESS..coz it's the natural reward!!

after all this off topic discussions....i recommend Hydroxycut by muscle tech..excellent product!!

[buffdaddy91369]

Hi, I have a question. I'm 22, years old, male, 155 LB and looking to lose some fat before I start bulking.

My question is: when I have been on the treadmill in the gym, my heart rate has been apparently from 180-190

Is this too high for burning fat? My goal has always been to burn as many calories as I can, but I'm not sure if thats just making me lose muscle, or lose fat.

What heart rate obtain to lose fat? I feel like I'm doing nothing if im around 120's

Experts (LMAO) vary in what is best cardio/heart rate for fat burning. A good range is 65-85% of your estimated Max Heart Rate.

Some schools preach HIIT others believe in steady state cardio of long duration 45-60 minutes with HR 60-75% others the same but higher heart rates 70-85% without going anaerobic.

Cardio equipment with built in heart rate monitors are very unreliable and inaccurate. You need to spend about $100 on your own monitor for best calculations.

[buffdaddy91369]

What would yall suggest for a woman? I read a few pages back and seen that no One burner was recommended. I've been searching and am down to VPX Meltdown and Lipo 6 (for women). I don't normally respond well to fat burners. I'm taking Ripped Fuel now, with no differences. I did get results for the first few weeks with nano-slim, and tried it a again a few weeks ago, to no ado. I don't need to lose much weight, just fat. 6ft, 157lbs. Been in th gym over a year now, but still have a mommy tummy. What do yall think of each of the above?

I was sold on Lipo 6 until I read further. If you or I went soley based on the Meltdown literature from it's manufacturer VPX... it would be concluded that Meltdown is a similar but newly advanced product thus superior to a credibable Nutrex Lipo 6. I will try VPX Meltdown. I felt good on their samples from the Arnold but would need to use over a 4+ week period. Since I am cutting slowly for a competition in 8 wks that's my route. Good luck...

[DGreekStallion]

thanks. i'm just using regular hot-rox right now. my buddy is using extreme and he finds it too potent

I'm taking it (Extreme Version) right now, not doing that much for me.

[DGreekStallion]

I was sold on Lipo 6 until I read further. If you or I went soley based on the Meltdown literature from it's manufacturer VPX... it would be concluded that Meltdown is a similar but newly advanced product thus superior to a credibable Nutrex Lipo 6. I will try VPX Meltdown. I felt good on their samples from the Arnold but would need to use over a 4+ week period. Since I am cutting slowly for a competition in 8 wks that's my route. Good luck...

You will love the euphoria off of Meltdown, it is ****ing amazing.

[mstockwe87]

dialene-4 is rockin my socks off right now. I get this crazy niacin flush every time I take it.

[frankeaglechase]

I'm trying MHP's Dren out right now. I'm neither yah nor neigh on it. I was hoping it would be cost effective for me...got it for 19.99. That was my primary decision point. Before that I used Lipo 6x with good results.

[Coltsfan46202]

I've gotten the leanest I've been able to so far (not so lean) with animal cuts.

[vorthex]

Experts (LMAO) vary in what is best cardio/heart rate for fat burning. A good range is 65-85% of your estimated Max Heart Rate.

Some schools preach HIIT others believe in steady state cardio of long duration 45-60 minutes with HR 60-75% others the same but higher heart rates 70-85% without going anaerobic.

Cardio equipment with built in heart rate monitors are very unreliable and inaccurate. You need to spend about $100 on your own monitor for best calculations.

Thanks for the reply.

What I get out of that is, just sweat. :P

Other than that, I am looking for a supplement that helps me lose *fat* not weight. Any suggestions? There are so many out there.... I don't know where to begin. Give me an easy answer. I want fat gone. (I am not obese I just want to lean up!) 5'8 154 or so. I'd rather lean up a bit, and then work on bodybuilding (again) since summer is coming up

[guinho]

For me Nutrex Research Lipo 6x and Biotest Hot-Rox Extreme

[TheChamp18713]

I tried lipo 6 for a cupl weeks ...I couldnt hang with it. It gave me heart pain and made me jittery and could NOT SLEEP UNTILL 4 A.M. lost 0 weight.(garbage imo).

[TrueBeliever]

I was thinking about using a supplement to help me cut up for 1-2 motnhs, but I have a bit of a problem. I have stomach issues (I have an ulcer in my stomach that acts up once like every 4 months) and I know asprin is bad for that. Would aspirin-derivatives used in a lot of these products act the same to your stomach as the asprin as a whole?

[super_power]

i will tell you that i had virtually no stomach related side effects while using IDS lean up...so it shouldnt be a major issue with your ulcer...had pretty much no side effects what so ever...lost almost 14lbs in 3 and half weeks..no jitters just felt a little warmer and sweat a lot

decided to switch up and try meltdown for a month or so we shall see which one works best

[TrueBeliever]

i will tell you that i had virtually no stomach related side effects while using IDS lean up...so it shouldnt be a major issue with your ulcer...had pretty much no side effects what so ever...lost almost 14lbs in 3 and half weeks..no jitters just felt a little warmer and sweat a lot

decided to switch up and try meltdown for a month or so we shall see which one works best

Thank you!

[super_power]

VORTHEX....
most of the research out there suggests that whatever you do make sure it is a long duration cardio work out...best results usually come with interval training though...start out slow and get your HR up a bit (60-75%)...then ramp it up to 75-85% for about 5-10 mins...then bring it back down...if you use the interval training option on most cardio machines and just play around with the difficulty settings til you find what you can handle

but you must go long duration workout or else all you use is the enegy that is already free in your blood stream..u have to tap into fat in order to drop weight..

[DGreekStallion]

dialene-4 is rockin my socks off right now. I get this crazy niacin flush every time I take it.

Are you stacking it with Sesamin as well?

Can you give a solid recommendation on Dialene?

[brandoncutler]

animal cuts

[JonathanWarrick]

Hi guys,

I've read this entire thread, especially the most recent threads in depth, so please don't think I'm just asking for a quick answer without doing the research.

I've recently revamped my diet to eat 5-7 healthy small meals a day, increased my cardio, and developed a weight-training routine to lose the extra body fat and weight I'm carrying. Right now I'm 5'6" around 155 or so and I'm looking to use a fat-burner to help the process.

I've tried Hydroxycut, but I didn't really stick to it, and I didn't like taking that many pills in the past, so I'd say that's out.

Many people seen to recommend Lipo 6(x), but I'm not a fan of feeling jittery. The one I'm leaning toward most right now is Man Scorch or S.A.N. Tight. I've also seen good comments about Dialene-4, but not sure about that. The thing I like about Scorch and SAN are the increased focus that it supposedly brings. For my goals and criteria, does Scorch sound like a good start for me? And please don't recommend stacking just yet--I want something basic when I start out for the first few weeks.

Thanks!

[lilly_julia]

Almost through with the bottle and haven't lost a pound. I do look slimmer, but my workouts have been real consistent so that may not be connected to the pill at all... however my eating habits haven't been the greatest so that may be the problem.. going to concentrate on cleaning my diet more and then maybe fat burners will work for me! we'll see. Also, the energy rush I used to get from them is now gone. I kind of miss it!

[mycoolhamm]

Im very fat, what should i do. I can't see my dick.

hahahahahaahhahaaha

[super_power]

warrick....i have used IDS lean up (which i explained in this thread)...like it a lot although i have substantially more body weight to lose than you do...i am on meltdown from VPX right now...started about a week ago...havent lost anything yet but i tend to enjoy my workouts more (it gives a semi-euphoric feeling)...anyway when i weight in again in a few days i will let you know about meltdown....if the hydroxycut was making you too jittery you could cut down the dosage...instead of taking 2 pills at a time ...just spread it out...take the same amount per day but space them out...worth a shot

[JonathanWarrick]

warrick....i have used IDS lean up (which i explained in this thread)...like it a lot although i have substantially more body weight to lose than you do...i am on meltdown from VPX right now...started about a week ago...havent lost anything yet but i tend to enjoy my workouts more (it gives a semi-euphoric feeling)...anyway when i weight in again in a few days i will let you know about meltdown....if the hydroxycut was making you too jittery you could cut down the dosage...instead of taking 2 pills at a time ...just spread it out...take the same amount per day but space them out...worth a shot

Hydroxycut didn't really make me all that jittery, it was more the fact that I had to remember to take pills that many times per day--I'd prefer something that's once or twice a day so I'm less likely to forget.

[johnnyironboard]

I tried lipo 6 for a cupl weeks ...I couldnt hang with it. It gave me heart pain and made me jittery and could NOT SLEEP UNTILL 4 A.M. lost 0 weight.(garbage imo).

yohimbe?

[Avan]

For all of you posting with questions about VPX Meltdown (MD), i can answer few questions for it if you want to ask some. I am currently on a cycle right now and although my cycle isnt over to conclude results, i did look into a bit before i started so i may be able to help with some questions.

So far i like MD a lot. It gives energy but the energy it gives isn't really noticeable, its more subtle. It feels more like drive and motivation to continue than a feeling of jitters or anything else. As some people have posted, mood affects are pretty good with MD. i haven't experienced or even heard of any crashes on MD before. I dont have any problems sleeping. Appetite suppressant i think is great. I feel completely satisfied on some of the smallest meals... Ie: small chicken breast, yogurt, half a fruit cup, small salad, etc... Wont bother commenting on fat loss till im done my cycle

[bigpapi417]

if i start 2 take a fatburner like animal cuts, am i going to lose strength or be able 2 get any stronger while on this?

[dsade]

Depends on the formula/mechanism of the fat burner. Some allow you to actually gain muscle while leaning out.

[Badcat]

Lipo 6 didn't work for me. I didn't alter anything in my daily routine or diet, and after 4 weeks, nothing changed.

Keep in mind that all people are different, and what doesn't work for some, may work for you.

My kingdom for Xenadrine!

[spurmike]

well after reading this thread looks like im gonna try Animal Cuts and Hydroxycut. I will comment after im done with my cycle.
190 lbs
19% BF


GO SPURS GO!!!!

[twistacannon15]

hey guys im looking to take BioTest Hot Rox, Ive never been on a Fat Burner before and was wondering after you finish the bottle does the weight lost come back right away?

I also take creatine and no2 will this have any effect when i add hot rox to my stash?

Any advice will be appreaciated

[NFL_Hopeful]

What's the best fat burner that won't make me feel like my heart is about to explode lol?

[Pure-Natural]

I'm a big fan of Scorch & Vaporize w/ Fish Oil. I also like Methyl Ripped w/
CLA, Fish Oil & Sesamin @ meals.

[MikeDC82]

I've used Animal Cuts, Hydroxycut, Hydroxycut Hardcore, Tonalin CLA, and Ripped Fuel before.

The Animal Cuts has definitely worked the best for me. I am currently using the Animal Cuts and CLA.

[Tru_Souljah]

Has anyone ever used Lypolyze by Species Nutrition

[jcosley]

I'm cutting and I use Hydroxycut Hardcore...Can I also take No'Explode before my training ? please reply

Yes.

[jcosley]

I've tried theses fat burners:

Hydroxycut Hardcore
Lipo 6
Animal Cuts
San Tight
ECA Stack
Super Cuts 3
Xenedrine (when it had ephedra)

My grades...

B Hydroxycut Hardcore
F Lipo 6
B+ Animal Cuts
A San Tight
C- ECA Stack
D Super Cuts 3
A Xenedrine (when it had ephedra)

[mcubez817]

Im 228 lbs and around 18-25% bodyfat. What is the best out there to help me lose bodyfat??

[gregorious]

I am currently using Lipo 6 in the morning , and sometimes in the afternoon , 2 pills per dose, and I am only 5'4 155 pounds, and I can't say that I feel anything from it , or see any results.

It is basically like drinking a cup of coffee, and if I stop taking the pills and Don't drink a coffee instead , I get a headache, so I think the caffeine in these tablets is the biggest factor, everything else is minimal for me .

The results that I have gotten so far in cutting have been from Cardio and proper nutrition, the Lipo 6 has done nothing as far as I am concerned.

[mrfister]

Im 228 lbs and around 18-25% bodyfat. What is the best out there to help me lose bodyfat??


Diet and cardio. No one can see "DEFINTELY, THIS is the best thing you can take." Once you get into a habit of excercising and your diet is clean THEN you can experiment with different supps. Just seeing as how this is your 6th post makes me think you are looking for a wonder pill, which isnt out there. They are made to supplement what youre already doing.

[braddd]

Diet and cardio. No one can see "DEFINTELY, THIS is the best thing you can take." Once you get into a habit of excercising and your diet is clean THEN you can experiment with different supps. Just seeing as how this is your 6th post makes me think you are looking for a wonder pill, which isnt out there. They are made to supplement what youre already doing.

x2. That is the best advice you can give someone who is new and looking for the easy way out. There's no such thing as a wonder pill folks.

[DGreekStallion]

X3. A pill will do nothing for you if you don't exercise.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Ive used Red Acid gen1 and it was great , the gen2 i havent tried .

Currently i'm thinking of stacking Cytolean with something , i have chosen Thyrotabs but GN put them off market . So any ideas what to stack it with ? Thanks in advance .


The Red Acid-Gen 2 is what I'm interested in. I'm considering starting a stack consisting of Red Acid-Gen 2, Green Bulge, and GlycerGrow. I'm read that this is great, but I just want to make sure that the Red Acid Gen 2 is a good fat burner to use.

if you guys like red acid or red acid gen 2, then look into our new replacement: REDuction. it is awesome and has 2 bottles, one for the AM dose and one for PM :)

[mcubez817]

Diet and cardio. No one can see "DEFINTELY, THIS is the best thing you can take." Once you get into a habit of excercising and your diet is clean THEN you can experiment with different supps. Just seeing as how this is your 6th post makes me think you are looking for a wonder pill, which isnt out there. They are made to supplement what youre already doing.


Thanks for the advice man. But I've been lifting for bodybuilding and sports for about 6 years now. I play football at the college level and need to cut down a little for my position.

[polishpiper]

Animal Cuts.....

Tried it for 2 days; and gave me the sh*ts!

Animal Rep, is this normal? If so, I will continue to use. Is it the Diuretic that's doing this? I am a big coffee drinker, so I know it's not the caffeine.
Help me out, Please!

Thanks

[mcubez817]

Ive been on Hot Rox for 3 days now and today (3rd day) I had to take a dump 4 times in the evening and had bad gas all day. Anyone had this problem with Hot Rox ???

[CraigK]

hey guys i got a supplement: UN Ultra Ripped, L-Carnitine (pure 0,5kg), Fish oil 200 capsules, and some multivitamins. What do you think about this supp?

[Djin]

Let me say a few things before people assume my red is because I have no idea what I'm talking about.

I was 245lbs last Christmas. I am 205lbs today. So what I'm doing and taking works.

I have tried a lot of thermos, and so far I have found these to work the best... (No order)

Tetrazene Extreme
Lipo 6X
Animal Cuts
Jetfuel
Arson

I've tried a lot, but I usually stack Lipo 6X with an actual thermo. A lot of people don't know that Lipo (Guggulsterones) and Lipo6X are thyroid pills really... so stack these with a thermo like... Tetrazene Extreme and you'll feel yourself buzzing all day.

I also take 1-2g of L-carnitine, muscle milk light and a good multivitamin.

Arson is made by the same people who make Hydroxy Hardcore. I stick with things that work... green tea, caffeine, etc... Tetrazene Extreme uses a much better form of tea then green; oolong tea... also has a really good appetite suppressors too.

*EDIT*

I've tried a lot more then what I've listed... take a look at one of my blog entries to see what I did to drop 40lbs in four months... (And add muscles)

I read some of my own blogs... and it looks like when I was taking Animal Cuts and 1g of L-carnitine and 1g of green tea I dropped 13lbs in about a month... I guess Animal Cuts work. :)

[DGreekStallion]

Ive been on Hot Rox for 3 days now and today (3rd day) I had to take a dump 4 times in the evening and had bad gas all day. Anyone had this problem with Hot Rox ???

I don't really get gas from it, but I know it makes my bowels even more active.

If you want to try this heres a tip: Open a capsule, and if it smells bad, you probably have a bad batch.

Also, if you take it with food, try it without, if you don't try eating with it.

Danny.

[TheKraken]

I tried Animal Cuts for a few days and noticed nothing other than an increase in the need to urinate. I then tried Hydroxycut Hardcore, having had previous good results with the regular Hydroxycut; but again, noticed very little even when I took the maximum reccommended dose of 3 pills twice daily. I figured it was my massive coffee drinking habit at the time that had dulled my nerves to the presence of caffeine. I've since scaled way back and its been several weeks since I've used anything, coffee included. I'm trying to decide what to cycle back on this time, having a good supply of both Hardcore and Cuts left. I'm looking at the ingredients and I'm noticing that they have really nothing in them that overlaps, other than caffeine of course.

So what I'm wondering is, would it be possible to use some of both? Animal Cuts says one pack gives you 20mg Synephrine and 200mg caffeine, and Hydroxycut Hardcore says 3 capsules give you 300mg caffeine. If I took the Animal pack as well as 1-2 caps of the Hardcore, would that be too much? I seem to have a pretty high tolerance level for caffeine, but don't want to overdo it. I also would like to use them up, instead of buying yet another product. Any comments or suggestions are welcome.

[Djin]

I tried Animal Cuts for a few days and noticed nothing other than an increase in the need to urinate. I then tried Hydroxycut Hardcore, having had previous good results with the regular Hydroxycut; but again, noticed very little even when I took the maximum reccommended dose of 3 pills twice daily. I figured it was my massive coffee drinking habit at the time that had dulled my nerves to the presence of caffeine. I've since scaled way back and its been several weeks since I've used anything, coffee included. I'm trying to decide what to cycle back on this time, having a good supply of both Hardcore and Cuts left. I'm looking at the ingredients and I'm noticing that they have really nothing in them that overlaps, other than caffeine of course.

So what I'm wondering is, would it be possible to use some of both? Animal Cuts says one pack gives you 20mg Synephrine and 200mg caffeine, and Hydroxycut Hardcore says 3 capsules give you 300mg caffeine. If I took the Animal pack as well as 1-2 caps of the Hardcore, would that be too much? I seem to have a pretty high tolerance level for caffeine, but don't want to overdo it. I also would like to use them up, instead of buying yet another product. Any comments or suggestions are welcome.

You should give yourself at least a month for your body to stop being use to such a high amount of caffeine. I've noticed that if you mix Lipo6X and another "thermo", it helps a lot. As for the Animal Cuts, it does have Dandelion Extract which will make you urinate more often.

I mix a thyroid enhancer with a thermo to get the best... as for Animal Cuts and Hydroxycut... Why not try Tetrazene Extreme and Lipo6X. That will give you a nice boost in both energy and fat lost.

But yeah, you don't want to over do it... just chill with the coffee, replace it with green tea (which helps with the thermo) and get your caffeine from the pills and you shouldn't have an issue.

*EDIT*

Could you give us a little more about your age, weight, height, etc... this will help.

[TheKraken]

Sure, thanks. Age 36, height 6', weight 183 lbs (was 210 lbs 4 months ago, diet still holding). I have a very physical job, and try to work out nearly every day, which usually comes to 5-6 days a week lifting weights and half of those days adding in cardio, mostly kick-boxing. Its been well over a month since I last used any fat burner product, unless we count CLA, which I take after working out. The main reason I ask about combining these two particular products is, as I mention, because I still have a good supply of both. Buying yet another product at the moment when I have perfectly newish stuff still sitting around is something my wallet will not currently abide.

[Djin]

Sure, thanks. Age 36, height 6', weight 183 lbs (was 210 lbs 4 months ago, diet still holding). I have a very physical job, and try to work out nearly every day, which usually comes to 5-6 days a week lifting weights and half of those days adding in cardio, mostly kick-boxing. Its been well over a month since I last used any fat burner product, unless we count CLA, which I take after working out. The main reason I ask about combining these two particular products is, as I mention, because I still have a good supply of both. Buying yet another product at the moment when I have perfectly newish stuff still sitting around is something my wallet will not currently abide.

Understandable. I didn't know you had said products still.

I know a lot of people might not recommend mixing (stacking) more then one type of product, but I do stack most often.

Just don't kill yourself. I lost 40lbs in four months with just working out every other day (if that) and working a construction job. Plus if you watch what you eat, the weight will melt off. It's quite simple once you get past the "cravings". The reason why I put it in quotations is because we crave the chemicals...

Just get some muscle milk, some oatmeal you like and lots of chicken and you'll be fine.

[AmericanPsycho]

I've heard good things about lipo 6

[joshy22]

Hi. I have tried them all. My body doesn't respond to most Thermos. There were a few that worked. In my opinion Lipo6 (any version) sucks. You won't feel a thing and you will see little or no fat loss. There are 3 products that are worth trying in my opinion. Gaspari's Cyto Lean, MAN Scorch and the best in my opinion is Muscle Tech Hydroxycut Hardcore. You feel it working. It gives you energy and you see results. Don't waste your money on most of the crap that is out there. Only buy from reputable companies. Muscle Tech puts a lot of money into research and they are on the cutting edge always coming up with great formulas and new ingredients to maximize results. They only use the best and safest ingredients. They are the leading brand in most categories.

[ShaolinSoccer]

Isatori MX-LS7 , Gaspari Cytoloan are good. But diet & workouts are far more important, if you get them right hard to tell if the fat loss supplement is really doing anything or not. For certain, they cannot give you the miracle before and after photos in mag's - definition / fat loss.

[beisaaaa]

isnt lipo 6 more of an app control than an actual fat burner tho?

[Djin]

isnt lipo 6 more of an app control than an actual fat burner tho?

If people actually read what the ingredients do in Lipo, they would understand how it works and why they don't feel the "burn".

Lipo6 uses Guggulsterones...


I first became interested in Guggulsterones when I noticed a few studies on their thyroid stimulating properties. I discovered that Guggulsterones have a direct stimulating action on the thyroid gland through some or the other enzymatic mechanisms

This is just a quote from the information I found here on this site. People think it's going to make their body burn, but I usually stack Lipo6X with a "thermo" and it works wonders. Lipo6 helps with the process and thyroid, while a thermo helps with heating up your body, etc.

A lot of things (Animal Cuts, Tetrazene Extreme, etc) have both, but things like Hydroxyhardcore, Arson, etc don't. They are just a fat burner, usually no energy in these...

Just like anything, really it's all about trial and error to see what works best with YOUR body.

[OtsegoX]

Most natural, ephedrine-free Fat Burner available.

Any ephedrine and artificially made fat burner uses this as it's main content.

THE MOST PURE ENERGY BURNER SHORT OF SPEED. If you don't believe me take the recommended serving size after your first meal of the day (1/4 tsp. 2000 servings/container btw :)) then see how many (if any) hours you'll be sleeping that night.

[super_power]

DJIN...you seem to have some experience in the field of fat burners...especially since you dropped so much weight...congrats by the way...how do you feel about hot rox? what kind of supp is it? is it a thermo? etc. also what would you stack it with?? currently i am on hot rox and meltdown...not bad so far but its only been a week or so...just looking for some direction if you can help with my questions...

thanks

[lth]

i got great results from Arson and Lipo 6.....does seem as though lipo 6 controlled my cravings alot better though.

[tgc99gt]

i was 280 when i start working out lost like 50 pounds while on redline.
iam on animal cuts right now it seems to be working damn good. good energy and i can barely keep up with cals. i cant eat on this stuff the appetite suppressant seems to really be working for me. hardcore sucks,lipo6 sucks,ec stack sucks manly cause i couldnt take it i immeditly got chest pains.

[tgc99gt]

I've used Animal Cuts, Hydroxycut, Hydroxycut Hardcore, Tonalin CLA, and Ripped Fuel before.

The Animal Cuts has definitely worked the best for me. I am currently using the Animal Cuts and CLA.

whats cla?

[Sldge]

Has anyone ever used Lypolyze by Species Nutrition

Google, Usnic Acid. Then google Usnic Acid and Syntrax. Its not a smart choice.

[superheavy1]

Has anyone ever used Lypolyze by Species Nutrition

yes actually did try it to compare to DS's fat burner. No energy and didn't feel the effects were worth the health risks. DS's Adrenalean is the most effective fat burner on the market!

[DGreekStallion]

DJIN...you seem to have some experience in the field of fat burners...especially since you dropped so much weight...congrats by the way...how do you feel about hot rox? what kind of supp is it? is it a thermo? etc. also what would you stack it with?? currently i am on hot rox and meltdown...not bad so far but its only been a week or so...just looking for some direction if you can help with my questions...

thanks

Your taking both Hot Rox and Meltdown at the same time??

[GianAT]

has anyone tried or heard anything about Precision Engineered FIREBALL liqui-fusion diet pills??!? many say it is the same as hydroxycut hardcore but with hoodia. If not what pill can be better than this one

[ThePatriot]

Has anyone tried Muscle Asylum Arson?
i pose this question also!

[ShaolinSoccer]

Lipo 6 is good stuff

[burwell10]

what would be a better fat burner than hydroxycut hardcore, i have been using it for quite a while and am not sure it has worked that well. i have not had any adverse side affects though which is good. Any one got any recommendations? i eat 6 small meals a day, with my diet being incredibly clean, and i do 3 interval training sessions a week. i just cannot burn the final part of the fat of my midrift to get all of my abs showing. any advice on where to turn?

[super_power]

yea Greek...meltdown and hot rox at the same time...i try to only take 1 of each because the chemical coumpounds are different in each one...although sometimes before my morning cardio ill take to hot rox to boost me up a little bit...i was on meltdown by itself but it did nothing for me...figured it might just be in my head so decided to stack it with a tru thermo (hot rox)

[tofo21]

Anybody tried iSatori MX-LS7? I just got done with a bottle and lost a couple of pounds, but also was eating pretty well... Has this worked for anybody else?

[Djin]

Just always make sure you're taking L-carnitine (at least 1g [1,000mg]) and a good multivitamin.

Make sure the thermo has a good appetite controller. Tetrazene Extreme is a great example of bleeding edge.

A lot of people think "MuscleTech Hydroxycut Hardcore" is the best, but I call that good marketing. I know there's a lot of good ones out there, but just like people are different, so are thermos.

Just have to find which one works best for you. What you body needs to do it's best...

[ulter]

Thermorexin is still the best.

[yogini]

what would be a better fat burner than hydroxycut hardcore, i have been using it for quite a while and am not sure it has worked that well. i have not had any adverse side affects though which is good. Any one got any recommendations? i eat 6 small meals a day, with my diet being incredibly clean, and i do 3 interval training sessions a week. i just cannot burn the final part of the fat of my midrift to get all of my abs showing. any advice on where to turn?
I would move away from Hydroxycut. It's so commercialized making it more expensive than it is worth. There are a lot of infor regarding the contents of hydroxycut are not of the highest quality.

If you want a thermogenic burner, I personally like Man Scorch. It helped me a lot in getting rid of those stubborn fat when you are almost in the end.

[DragonDude]

I know Ephredea free - so Isatori MX-LS7 is good.

Incidentally heard a great many say that Ephreda is perfectly safe & the bans and media attention linked to deaths , etc was not substantiated, but as it was linked to many heart attacks and deaths, I'd rather be on the safe side & never touch it. Ephredrine sides are well known and listed by Doctors.

[Djin]

I would move away from Hydroxycut. It's so commercialized making it more expensive than it is worth. There are a lot of infor regarding the contents of hydroxycut are not of the highest quality.

If you want a thermogenic burner, I personally like Man Scorch. It helped me a lot in getting rid of those stubborn fat when you are almost in the end.

I concur. MAN Scorch is one hell of a product.

[gregorious]

Nutrex Lipo 6 is doing little to nothing for me, and this is on a very low carb high protein/fat diet coupled with daily cardio. If anyone is in the same situation but with a different thermogenic (i.e. cytolean, animal cuts, man scorch, HC Hardcore) PM me and we can trade.

[Djin]

Nutrex Lipo 6 is doing little to nothing for me, and this is on a very low carb high protein/fat diet coupled with daily cardio. If anyone is in the same situation but with a different thermogenic (i.e. cytolean, animal cuts, man scorch, HC Hardcore) PM me and we can trade.

Does anyone actually read about the things they buy? Jesus people...

Lipo6 helps your thyroid. And if you're eating proper and in a good workout plan, Lipo6 won't really do much for you... or help metabolize your food.

I wish people would actually READ what Guggulsterones Z&E and Yohimbe actually does. Perhaps your need a REAL thermo, Scorch, Tetrazeme Extreme, etc.

[STACK-N]

So I just got done with my first bottle of Hydroxycut Hardcore, I lost 25 pounds in 5 weeks with a 3 week on/2 week off cycle.

[gregorious]

Djin, thanks for the advice. Which real thermo would you recommend as being the best value for money? And which one would you most recommend if finances weren't a concern ? Why is there a difference (if there is) ?

[Djin]

Djin, thanks for the advice. Which real thermo would you recommend as being the best value for money? And which one would you most recommend if finances weren't a concern ? Why is there a difference (if there is) ?

I found that Animal Cuts is a good overall fat burner... since it's not only a fat burner, but also a Lipotropic, Metabolic, Diuretic, Thyroid, Insulin, Nucleotide, and a Neurotransmitter, plus a bunch others. It has 9 pills, which is hard to swallow first thing in the morning.

I found Tetrazene Extreme stacked with Lipo6X seemed to work well (for me). Since Tetrazene Extreme is a good thermo and Lipo6X works by upping the thyroid (but in a time released manner).

Sometimes, somethings that are more expensive then another isn't always good. I know you should always have L-Carnitine (at least 1g) mixed in with your stack. Also if the thermo doesn't have appetite suppressors then I'd suggest finding one that does have one or buying some hoodia would help too.

Like I've stated before, it's really a mix of trial and error. It's an expensive hobby, but the outcome (in my eyes) is well worth it.

Usually you'll want to find one that has a good mixture of green tea, oonlong tea, PEA, ketone, etc... Another thing you could do is eat raspberries. When you are on a low fat, low carb, high protein diet, your body starts to release ketones... which is the breakdown of fat, etc. Raspberries have this... or you could always buy a supplement too.

[Trem24]

Anyone tried Universal Ripped Fast? If so, how was it?

[CraigK]

How about Universal's nutrition Ultra Ripped, anyone tested? Please reply.

[Derrick101]

Just always make sure you're taking L-carnitine (at least 1g [1,000mg]) and a good multivitamin.
.

You know best time to drink this? When working out or before or after??

[Lean-n-Mean]

The best "Ephedra"- free fat burner is BY FAR:

ECY stack + Nicotine + Tyrosine + Green Tea Extract

(add Synephrine and forskolin if you can find it)

Thight Hardcore + ECGC and L- Carn

[Djin]

You know best time to drink this? When working out or before or after??

I use l-carnitine like it's going out of style. I take 1g in the morning, one before, and one after my workout... I kind of abuse this amino... ;)

It really depends on what you want it to do for you. L-carnitine is one of those aminos that are just amazing.


4. How much should be taken? Are there any side effects?

Between two and four grams of L-carnitine should be taken one hour before exercise, for two weeks.

Taking L-carnitine is very safe, although the DL form of carnitine may be toxic and is not recommended.

That is taken from the information I found here. I use L-carnitine for its fat burning and energy, but there are many amazing uses you can get from this. And it's pretty cheap... I'd suggest getting the liquid over the pills. The brand from this site has a nice berry flavor. You can take it straight or in your shakes, etc.

[Derrick101]

You really think L Carn works??
You ever heard of D-ribose?

I was watching a video about this fat burner..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBlwZIVDi3g

[Djin]

You really think L Carn works??
You ever heard of D-ribose?

I was watching a video about this fat burner..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBlwZIVDi3g

I do believe L-Carnitine works wonders. At least 1g a day is what you should take... it helps with muscle fatigue too and a bunch of other neat things.

As for Ribose, I just read about it... seems interesting, but something I probably wouldn't use.

[dsade]

I do believe L-Carnitine works wonders. At least 1g a day is what you should take... it helps with muscle fatigue too and a bunch of other neat things.

As for Ribose, I just read about it... seems interesting, but something I probably wouldn't use.

D-Ribose holds some promise as a minor support ingredient, but is virtually worthless by itself.

[Djin]

D-Ribose holds some promise as a minor support ingredient, but is virtually worthless by itself.

That's pretty much what I got from the information I read...

[DGreekStallion]

D-Ribose holds some promise as a minor support ingredient, but is virtually worthless by itself.

What can it do as a minor ingredient?

[Djin]

Here's some information about Ribose.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ribose.html


Intense exercise causes a significant decrease in skeletal muscle energy levels. In fact, it can take 3 days or longer for these energy levels to recover! Recent studies show, however, that supplementing with high quality ribose hastens energy recovery in all types of skeletal muscles. This means you'll be able to work out longer and build muscle faster because you will recover quicker from intense workouts, having the energy to do more!

[Djin]

Anyone use Meltdown?

I found this...
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=5199383&highlight=Meltdown

I also was talking to some people who know a lot about things, and I was reading a book... they do NOT recommend Yohimbi... for the purpose it makes you hallucinate and causes insane heart rates... I've also read that people pass out, get light headed, want to throw up... and then you get the "poster boy" who swears by it (Getting paid by VPX to sponsor this...) and says it's the best thing since they put the pocket in the pita.

So I'd like to know from someone who isn't getting paid how this is. I'm just about done with my Animal Cuts and would like to get on another... I've read a lot about this, but it has three different forms of Yohimbi... that's just freaky scary.

[gregorious]

Anyone use Meltdown?

I found this...
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=5199383&highlight=Meltdown

I also was talking to some people who know a lot about things, and I was reading a book... they do NOT recommend Yohimbi... for the purpose it makes you hallucinate and causes insane heart rates... I've also read that people pass out, get light headed, want to throw up... and then you get the "poster boy" who swears by it (Getting paid by VPX to sponsor this...) and says it's the best thing since they put the pocket in the pita.

So I'd like to know from someone who isn't getting paid how this is. I'm just about done with my Animal Cuts and would like to get on another... I've read a lot about this, but it has three different forms of Yohimbi... that's just freaky scary.

Lipo 6 has Yohimbine, and even when I was consuming the full dose of Lipo6 , I felt no effects whatsoever, neither positive nor negative.

[EvolutionIX]

Anyone use Meltdown?

I found this...
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=5199383&highlight=Meltdown

I also was talking to some people who know a lot about things, and I was reading a book... they do NOT recommend Yohimbi... for the purpose it makes you hallucinate and causes insane heart rates... I've also read that people pass out, get light headed, want to throw up... and then you get the "poster boy" who swears by it (Getting paid by VPX to sponsor this...) and says it's the best thing since they put the pocket in the pita.

So I'd like to know from someone who isn't getting paid how this is. I'm just about done with my Animal Cuts and would like to get on another... I've read a lot about this, but it has three different forms of Yohimbi... that's just freaky scary.

Im useing meltdown now along with lean xtreme and i have not felt any bad side effects....have not felt light headed or like throwing up. People say they feel the euphoric effects from it (since it contains the same ingriedent in chocolate that triggers some nerve or something like that) but i ussually don't feel those things. But when i do take it earlier in the afternoon im usually not as tired at work wich is good. I have been using this along with lean xtreme for the past couple weeks and i can definitely see a difference in my body and i have been constantly loosing weight. Was somewhere in the mid-low 190's and this morning i was 186.5. Obviously this is with eating healthy for a cut and doing cardio/weights.

By the way how did you like animal cuts?? Cuz i just ordered mine today, i'll be using that in a couple weeks when im done with my lean xtreme/meltdown.

[Djin]

Lipo 6 has Yohimbine, and even when I was consuming the full dose of Lipo6 , I felt no effects whatsoever, neither positive nor negative.

I know Lipo6 has it, but Meltdown has a MUCH higher dose then 20mg.

@EvolutionIX

Animal Cuts is alright. Nothing too great. It's 9! pills per pack. I still like MAN Scorch and Tetrazene Extreme stacked with Lipo6X.

I tried Animal Cuts again after losing 40lbs, and I need something with a bigger KICK. This is why I was asking about Meltdown. Since I heard it's wild and crazy feeling, I thought this might be right up my ally.

[EvolutionIX]

where you taking anything else while taking animal cuts? or do you know of something that would stack good with it to up the effects?
Lean xtreme im about to finish so i'll be taking time off of that if anyone says to stack that with my animal cuts.

[Djin]

The only thing I am taking with Animal Cuts is my multivitamin (Opti-Men), 1g of L-carnitine and a colon cleaner. ;) (Gotta stay regular)

That's about 20 pills first in the morning. And then another 10 my second dose.

Animal Cuts is pretty much a pill that does it all. From reading the thermo you're taking and the things inside Animal Cuts, you should feel a difference.

After you're done with your current thermo, I'd suggest taking about a week of for your body to get most the things out of your system... and when you start another thermo, your body will be "shocked" back into the process of fat burning.

[joshy22]

Im useing meltdown now along with lean xtreme and i have not felt any bad side effects....have not felt light headed or like throwing up. People say they feel the euphoric effects from it (since it contains the same ingriedent in chocolate that triggers some nerve or something like that) but i ussually don't feel those things. But when i do take it earlier in the afternoon im usually not as tired at work wich is good. I have been using this along with lean xtreme for the past couple weeks and i can definitely see a difference in my body and i have been constantly loosing weight. Was somewhere in the mid-low 190's and this morning i was 186.5. Obviously this is with eating healthy for a cut and doing cardio/weights.

By the way how did you like animal cuts?? Cuz i just ordered mine today, i'll be using that in a couple weeks when im done with my lean xtreme/meltdown.
Hi. I used meltdown. It s a decent fatburner not spectacular. You definitely get that Euphoric effect and it keeps you very positive and clear headed. I didn't experience any negative side effects except for seing Elvis every other day. Lol. No you don't hallucinate from this stuff thats rediculous! If you want hardcore cutting go with Hydroxycut Hardcore or Muscle Asylum Project -Arson. I'm going on that one next week I heard its awesome.

[samizmom]

For anyone who isn't already aware of this...Sudafed, aka-pseudoephedrine, is very attainable legal ephedrine; over the counter no less! Just take one long acting sudafed, preferably the 12 hr version in the a.m. if you care about sleeping...in conjunction with 1 bayer asprin and a 200mg caffeine pill, and you have the old hydroxycut!! Works great for curbing appetite and thermogenic effect as well. For added performance, take 1 Syneburn pill(10mg of synephrine) with the above. I finally feel like I have my Hydroxycut back!!! GOOD STUFF!!!

[skydeaner]

For anyone who isn't already aware of this...Sudafed, aka-pseudoephedrine, is very attainable legal ephedrine; over the counter no less! Just take one long acting sudafed, preferably the 12 hr version in the a.m. if you care about sleeping...in conjunction with 1 bayer asprin and a 200mg caffeine pill, and you have the old hydroxycut!! Works great for curbing appetite and thermogenic effect as well. For added performance, take 1 Syneburn pill(10mg of synephrine) with the above. I finally feel like I have my Hydroxycut back!!! GOOD STUFF!!!

LOL, just because they both convert into a similar substance doesn't mean they react the same way in your body. Quit giving inaccurate advice.

[Djin]

Hi. I used meltdown. It s a decent fatburner not spectacular. You definitely get that Euphoric effect and it keeps you very positive and clear headed. I didn't experience any negative side effects except for seing Elvis every other day. Lol. No you don't hallucinate from this stuff thats rediculous! If you want hardcore cutting go with Hydroxycut Hardcore or Muscle Asylum Project -Arson. I'm going on that one next week I heard its awesome.

Want to hear something funny? If you dig deep (like I love LOVE to do), Muscle Asylum Project's; Arson is the same company and almost the same fat burner as Hydroxycut.

Same company, same idea behind both. Look it up if you don't believe me.

I try and stay away from those two since I didn't really get much out of them... or I don't really know. A fat burner is hard to tell if it's working or not. Also I'm not a big fan of company's that relabel their product under a different name and take us for a ride.

[super_power]

well i have taken meltdown AND hot rox at the same time...actually i started meltdown 2 weeks earlier and got nothing out of it but the occ "euphoric feeling" when i realized that i needed something better....went out and bought hot rox...stacked the 2 of them together for a few weeks (first only half of each recommended dose so i wouldnt have a heart attack and progressing to full doses of each)....and then just hot rox at the end...NOTHING HAPPENED...i felt nothing...meltdown did nothing for me..not even when stacked with hot rox...come to think of it hot rox has done nothing for me either except give me a raspberry taste in my mouth when i burp after taking them...from the ketones...no good in my opinion, but hey maybe it will work for you...good luck

by the way how did you like animal cuts...besides the chokin on 9pills at a time part???

[Djin]

well i have taken meltdown AND hot rox at the same time...actually i started meltdown 2 weeks earlier and got nothing out of it but the occ "euphoric feeling" when i realized that i needed something better....went out and bought hot rox...stacked the 2 of them together for a few weeks (first only half of each recommended dose so i wouldnt have a heart attack and progressing to full doses of each)....and then just hot rox at the end...NOTHING HAPPENED...i felt nothing...meltdown did nothing for me..not even when stacked with hot rox...come to think of it hot rox has done nothing for me either except give me a raspberry taste in my mouth when i burp after taking them...from the ketones...no good in my opinion, but hey maybe it will work for you...good luck

by the way how did you like animal cuts...besides the chokin on 9pills at a time part???

Let me explain a little bit about the body and fat burning before giving my opinion on Animal Cuts.

You don't need to "feel" anything for fat to burn. You don't "feel" your body make blood, you don't "feel" most things your body does. I understand that we (as a consumer) want that feeling of our body about to go into an acute heart attack, our body sweating while we suck down oat meal and protein, but we also have to understand that it takes TIME for our body to lose weight.

It didn't take us 2 days to gain 20lbs, and it sure won't take that long to lose it. Especially losing weight. I forget the numbers, but it's something like 2,500 calories you must burn to equal one pound of fat... (Someone correct me if that's off) So unless you eat like a crackhead, it will take about a week to drop 1-3lbs.



As for Animal Chokes, er, Cuts... choking down 9 pills is something you get use to (I suck down 15 first thing waking up). I notice shortly after taking these I actually do "feel" myself more alert and "buzzed". The feeling tends to stay with me, even after eating.

I do have some personal issues with some of the ingredients, but for what it is, it works pretty well. I would give it a 7/10. I personally don't like taking that many ****ing pills, and I like to be able to stack more then one together.

But, it's nice to have these little packets filled with happy little pills to choke on every morning. :)

[gregorious]

Djin i'd be interested in seeing some before and after pix from your progress and experience with fat burners.

[Djin]

Uh, look at my bodyspace.

[latinchinese]

Scorch and Venom hyperdrive 3.0, the best I've tried so far...

[samsingh]

Im very fat, what should i do. I can't see my dick.


Then its useless to waste money on suppliments ,,,start jogging for 45 minutes every alternate day and keep yourself in calorie zone of not more than 2500 per day ,after following this for 3 weeks start weight training and take 2-4 caps of Lipo 6X ....you be shredded in 12-18 weeks.

and no meals after 6 Pm only whey shake is optional but after 3 weeks only .


Trust me .............u shall be transformed

[BelieveTheHype]

I just finished my second bottle of Hydroxycut Hardcore today, I lost a total of 21 pounds in about 2 months. I plan on going out on buying Animal Cut in about 2 weeks, when I go load up on some more whey.

Anyone else recommend Animal Cut?

[Djin]

I just finished my second bottle of Hydroxycut Hardcore today, I lost a total of 21 pounds in about 2 months. I plan on going out on buying Animal Cut in about 2 weeks, when I go load up on some more whey.

Anyone else recommend Animal Cut?

I'm so bored right now... so yeah, I'm trolling (laid off from work).

Hahaha... I am about to be finished with my cycle of Animal Cuts. It gives me a buzz in the morning, but I think that's from the other 15 pills I suck down.

It's not too bad... it always gives me a feeling of dry mouth. I must drink about 2 gallons of water and I still always feel like I can drink more. I know Animal Cuts makes you piss more, but it's something I've gotten use to.

For example, I just ate a groovy grilled chicken salad with oil/vinegar and eggs and other good things.. and I still am buzzing from Animal Cuts I took a few hours ago.... it's alright though for what it does.

[BelieveTheHype]

I'm so bored right now... so yeah, I'm trolling (laid off from work).

Hahaha... I am about to be finished with my cycle of Animal Cuts. It gives me a buzz in the morning, but I think that's from the other 15 pills I suck down.

It's not too bad... it always gives me a feeling of dry mouth. I must drink about 2 gallons of water and I still always feel like I can drink more. I know Animal Cuts makes you piss more, but it's something I've gotten use to.

For example, I just ate a groovy grilled chicken salad with oil/vinegar and eggs and other good things.. and I still am buzzing from Animal Cuts I took a few hours ago.... it's alright though for what it does.
How long have you been cycling it? Also do you stack it with Animal Stak? I plan on buying it with some GreenMAG....interested how its going to work.

[Djin]

This is the second time I've used it since January. I tend to gravitate back to Animal Cuts when I want to get the water out of my system and have a decent thermo.

I stack it with Opti-Men (multi), 1g of L-carnitine. Seems to keep me "buzzing" through out the day. Even after eating I still buzz.

That's the mental part of the pills that seem to help me focus on things... ;)

[bly3]

ive been using lipo 6 along with CLA, Creakic, multi and aminos. Looking for something a little stronger than the lipo 6. I used to be a big fan of EC stacks but the ephedrine was messing with my digestive system. What would be a good product to take with the other supps im taking?

[BellyFat101]

I've been using Arson for a week and been loving it. Has anybody else tried it out?

[Djin]

I've been using Arson for a week and been loving it. Has anybody else tried it out?

Yup. And I stacked it was Lipo6X... it was alright.

[EricFTW]

I just finished my second bottle of Hydroxycut Hardcore today, I lost a total of 21 pounds in about 2 months. I plan on going out on buying Animal Cut in about 2 weeks, when I go load up on some more whey.

Anyone else recommend Animal Cut?

just did the same thing.. finished my hydroxycut hardcore(still have like 5 pills left) and lost 35 pounds, then took animal cuts and lost about 5 but with animal cuts i got more defintion somehow.

[EricFTW]

just did the same thing.. finished my hydroxycut hardcore(still have like 5 pills left) and lost 35 pounds, then took animal cuts and lost about 5 but with animal cuts i got more defintion somehow.

o and too add to animal cuts expierence, i buzzed the whole first day and was very gittery about an hour after i took my pills, felt like i was getting attacked by spiders in my first period class but after the first 2-3 days i got over it

[mada071]

how do you like the hydroxy cut?

sometimes i get a headache, or is it just casued by my lack of sleep?

[Djin]

just did the same thing.. finished my hydroxycut hardcore(still have like 5 pills left) and lost 35 pounds, then took animal cuts and lost about 5 but with animal cuts i got more defintion somehow.

Animal Cuts removes water, that's why.

[EricFTW]

Animal Cuts removes water, that's why.

yea, after that i started bringing gallon water jugs to school.

[JTFisher79]

as soon as I finish my bottle of hydroxycut i will be switching to man scorch/vaporize

[BackwoodsGa]

i pose this question also!Yes!arson is very good.

[Djin]

I do hope people know Arson and Hydroxycut are made by the same people and pretty much do the same thing.

[frankeaglechase]

I'm taking Dren right now...results are okay. I can't say it gives you the euphoric sense that it claims, but I will say that I can feel it--slightly--after I take it in the morning.

[Samamo]

Which one of these would you recommend for a first timer?
? Vasopro
? Zantrex
? Stacker 2
? Synepherine
? Universal Animal Cuts
? Hot Rox
? MAN Scorch
? Tetrazeme Extreme
? Lipo 6
? Thermonex
? Meltdown
? SAN tight FEM or Hardcore
? L-carnitine
? EC stack

Yeah I have done research but just don't know I am leaning towards Animal cuts.

[MT528]

Does anyone know of an effective thermogenic supplement in liquid form? I tried the Ephedra tea, but to me it tastes terrible. I used to drink Ripped Force before the ephedra ban which helped me get to the most fit I've ever been, since it helped with appetite suppression as well as thermogenic/increased metabolism. I'd rather a liquid than a pill so I can regulate any "jitters." I exercise plenty, have good muscle tone but it's just that layer over the muscle that needs to go! Only about 10 lbs or so...I have a wedding dress to wear in a few months!

Thank you!

[missmilady]

now i try to use 25 mg of ephedrine and dyma-burn of dymatize.. however i try rapidcut of allmax.... and firedrine who is illegal now...

i take liquid l-carnitine and sometime pilocinate chrom.

but i dont know if i do a diet this summer or not... i lose so muscle in about... 5-6 month... and i wan like... 5-10 lbs of muscle... i'm training like.. 2 years.. now i'm 16 % of bodyfat.. my trainer told me that was perfect but i wan 11-12 % for the summer... so i don't know.. i dont wanna lose again muscle. (I'm girl)

[Djin]

Which one of these would you recommend for a first timer?
? Vasopro
? Zantrex
? Stacker 2
? Synepherine
? Universal Animal Cuts
? Hot Rox
? MAN Scorch
? Tetrazeme Extreme
? Lipo 6
? Thermonex
? Meltdown
? SAN tight FEM or Hardcore
? L-carnitine
? EC stack

Yeah I have done research but just don't know I am leaning towards Animal cuts.

EC stack doesn't offer enough... L-carnitine should be apart of any thermo. I would say Scorce, Tetrazene Extreme and Animal Cuts...

[bly3]

after looking around im still stuck on a few to stack with my creakic, cla, amino, etc stack. I am lookign at hot rox, man scorch or reduction? What would you guys recommend. I am at 5'10 172 with 11% bf. Been using Lipo 6 and feel that it isnt doing anything.


edit -- if it doesnt have yohimbe i will be stacking that as well

[JTFisher79]

I am about to start the man scorch vaporize combo. Suggestions for when and how to take would be appreciated

[EricFTW]

I am about to start the man scorch vaporize combo. Suggestions for when and how to take would be appreciated

wouldn't mind if you comment back on results. looking to do the same combo

[willfstar]

how many weeks did u take the lipo? i just got some but only a months supply and i wasnt sure a) if it would work b) but also if i shld buy anoter cycle or if one month seemed to work for ppl or not

[bly3]

how many weeks did u take the lipo? i just got some but only a months supply and i wasnt sure a) if it would work b) but also if i shld buy anoter cycle or if one month seemed to work for ppl or not


finshed one bottle and wouldnt buy it again, didnt feel like it was doing anything

[Djin]

finshed one bottle and wouldnt buy it again, didnt feel like it was doing anything

*SIGH*

Can't people understand that you don't NEED to "feel" ANYTHING for fat burning to work. It's not an energy pill, that's why you didn't FELL anything.

If people learned how to read too, Guggulsterones enhances the thyroid and therefor just helps burn fat and metabolis food faster.

[bly3]

*SIGH*

Can't people understand that you don't NEED to "feel" ANYTHING for fat burning to work. It's not an energy pill, that's why you didn't FELL anything.

If people learned how to read too, Guggulsterones enhances the thyroid and therefor just helps burn fat and metabolis food faster.


That came out wrong, I didnt mean actually feeling the effects, I meant i didnt feel as if it helped me burn fat, id say it for sure didn't but there could have been other reasons I didnt burn fat like I have with other supps

[Samamo]

EC stack doesn't offer enough... L-carnitine should be apart of any thermo. I would say Scorce, Tetrazene Extreme and Animal Cuts...

Thanks I think I will go with MAN Scorch stacked with MAN Vaporize and then just need L-carnitine and multivitamin (Orange Triad maybe?) does that sound complete?

[bly3]

Thanks I think I will go with MAN Scorch stacked with MAN Vaporize and then just need L-carnitine and multivitamin (Orange Triad maybe?) does that sound complete?


I am looking at this stack ..

Scorch
Vaporize
Amino Acid (GNC Amina Burst 3000 for now, have PW but can't stand the taste and prefer pills over powders)
Creakic
CLA (gnc brand)
L-Carnitine
ON Pro Complex Protein
Multi Pro 32x multivitamin


Any thing I need to cut/add/swap out?

[Pure-Natural]

Scorch
Vaporize
CLA
Lean Green

Methyl Ripped
CLA
Sesamin

[Djin]

I am looking at this stack ..

Scorch
Vaporize
Amino Acid (GNC Amina Burst 3000 for now, have PW but can't stand the taste and prefer pills over powders)
Creakic
CLA (gnc brand)
L-Carnitine
ON Pro Complex Protein
Multi Pro 32x multivitamin


Any thing I need to cut/add/swap out?

I take the Aminos from GNC. It's like orange tar, but it sure has a hell of a lot of aminos eh?

Looks pretty good... but where's the protein? I'd replace Creakic with a protein. (For now)

[Djin]

Thanks I think I will go with MAN Scorch stacked with MAN Vaporize and then just need L-carnitine and multivitamin (Orange Triad maybe?) does that sound complete?

If you want a more complete multivitamin, I'd suggest ADAM or Opti-Men. Even GNC Sport is a good multi.

Other then that... L-carnitine is a great staple to any supplement.

[lilkao]

has anyone tried Universal Animal Cuts?
im thiking in buying it but i want to see some opinions first

[Djin]

has anyone tried Universal Animal Cuts?
im thiking in buying it but i want to see some opinions first

About 5 pages here are dedicated to Animal Cuts. I myself have used it a few times... scroll up my child and read read read.

[Samamo]

If you want a more complete multivitamin, I'd suggest ADAM or Opti-Men. Even GNC Sport is a good multi.

Other then that... L-carnitine is a great staple to any supplement.

Opti-women ;) Thanks for all your help I really appreciate it :) Hope one day I will be knowledgeable enough to help others here like you have done for me!

[Djin]

Opti-women ;) Thanks for all your help I really appreciate it :) Hope one day I will be knowledgeable enough to help others here like you have done for me!

Opti-WOMEN... my bad. :)

All it takes it a lot of reading and self guinea pig. You could also check out EVE... that's the female version of ADAM which is made by NOW. (Very good brand IMHO)

I wish I knew more, but in due time I will.

[Samamo]

You could also check out EVE... that's the female version of ADAM which is made by NOW.

That is so cute :P
Do you get paid to be a guinea pig? :P You should look into that ;)

[bly3]

I take the Aminos from GNC. It's like orange tar, but it sure has a hell of a lot of aminos eh?

Looks pretty good... but where's the protein? I'd replace Creakic with a protein. (For now)

Not sure what you mean, I listed it in there Optimum Nutrition Pro Complex protein, second from the bottom.

[Djin]

Not sure what you mean, I listed it in there Optimum Nutrition Pro Complex protein, second from the bottom.

Pardon me. I must of not seen that.

That stack is pretty much what's what. It's the basic staple that people usually start with. From this, you can easily add additional things to tweak your body and things you want to do.

A LOT of people use creatine and swear by it, but I have never touched that in my life... and testosterone. There's a few things I won't use, but I know others will fight it saying it's the best.

So that's where the "testing" comes into play... trying to find what works the best with YOUR body. It's fun trying new things, but the only downside is the cost of these things... especially in today's economy and with the rise of gas. :(

[Djin]

That is so cute :P
Do you get paid to be a guinea pig? :P You should look into that ;)

I don't get paid, but the outcomes are pay enough for me. :)

As I stated above, it's all about trial and error (and money)...

[bly3]

Pardon me. I must of not seen that.

That stack is pretty much what's what. It's the basic staple that people usually start with. From this, you can easily add additional things to tweak your body and things you want to do.

A LOT of people use creatine and swear by it, but I have never touched that in my life... and testosterone. There's a few things I won't use, but I know others will fight it saying it's the best.

So that's where the "testing" comes into play... trying to find what works the best with YOUR body. It's fun trying new things, but the only downside is the cost of these things... especially in today's economy and with the rise of gas. :(

Ya agree completely. This is something I will try and add my own tweaks too. Theres a lot fo stuff already in it but I can see maybe adding an NO product or yohimbe to the mix if I hit a wall (depending on which direction I need to go in as well) Thanks for the help, now if BB.com had scorch in stock I caould get goin in the next few days.

Lastly I have a decent ammount of Lipo6x left, I know I already have two fat burners in there but like you said Lipo6 isnt a thermo, could I use moderate doses of lipo until is gone so I dont have it just sitting here while on the above mentioned stack?

[Djin]

Ya agree completely. This is something I will try and add my own tweaks too. Theres a lot fo stuff already in it but I can see maybe adding an NO product or yohimbe to the mix if I hit a wall (depending on which direction I need to go in as well) Thanks for the help, now if BB.com had scorch in stock I caould get goin in the next few days.

Lastly I have a decent ammount of Lipo6x left, I know I already have two fat burners in there but like you said Lipo6 isnt a thermo, could I use moderate doses of lipo until is gone so I dont have it just sitting here while on the above mentioned stack?

What do you consider a "moderate dose"? I have upped the dose with Lipo6X while I was stacking it was Tetrazene Extreme and it seemed to help... but upping a dose always can come with greater adverse side effects...

You know your body best, so just judge and take things with a stride. If you feel anything out of place, or just "different", stop and see if things return to a normal state, if so you can probably determine it's the Lipo6X (in greater dose)... but please be advise that you are going against the recommended dose.... just and FYI.

[bly3]

Agree I was thinking just one in the morning and one in the afternoon until they are gone while on the stack. My body is really use to stims, been on and off them for about 5 years now.

[Djin]

Jeez. After you finish your cycle, I'd suggest taking some milk thistle to help your body detox from all the supplements... perhaps even take a week to two off and then start another cycle.

This will help rid your body of the "getting" use to part of being bombarded with stimulants.

Ask for one pill... at one point I was taking 2-3 pills twice a day... I was foolish and felt "high" all the time. I'm not sure that was too wise... I've read that excess Yohimbe will make you hallucinate.

[omeezy4sheezy]

how is animal cuts or muscletech hydroxycut

[joshy22]

I got sick and tired of being a fat @ss and I have been on a diet for a month now. I started on April 28th at 280 pounds. I now weigh 255. My diet is very clean. Low carbs (only good carbs like vegetables and whole grains) normal to high protein consumption and a lot of low intensity cardio. My fatburning stack is EXTREME and I do not recommend it unless you are young, relatively healthy, dont mind screwing with possible health risks and crazy like I am.

Morning:
2 pills 25mg Ephedrine + 4 pills Hydroxycut Hardcore
1 pill PrimaForce Max CLA
3 pills Designer supplements LeanXtreme 2.0

Afternoon/lunch time:
1 pill PrimaForce Max CLA
3 pills Designer supplements LeanXtreme 2.0

Evening-around 5 pm
2 pills 25mg Ephedrine + 4 pills Hydroxycut Hardcore

Dinner time:
1 pill PrimaForce Max CLA
3 pills Designer supplements LeanXtreme 2.0

Now some of you might think its extreme. Thats because it is!! I lost 25 pounds in 30 days and I hope to lose another 25 in the next 30 days. I am NOT recommending this but for those of you desperate enough to try it it will work. Just remember, diet and exercise are very important. Exercise will really help to activate the ingredients of the fatburners to get the maximum benefit from them. You will have awesome energy the entire day. Your mind will be clear you will be ready to go at all times. You will probably be more productive at work and you will love how your fat keeps melting off of your body. This works but again if you aren't in good health and have heart or other conditions this stack will probably kill you so good luck and stay safe.

[latinchinese]

I got sick and tired of being a fat @ss and I have been on a diet for a month now. I started on April 28th at 280 pounds. I now weigh 255. My diet is very clean. Low carbs (only good carbs like vegetables and whole grains) normal to high protein consumption and a lot of low intensity cardio. My fatburning stack is EXTREME and I do not recommend it unless you are young, relatively healthy, dont mind screwing with possible health risks and crazy like I am.

Morning:
2 pills 25mg Ephedrine + 4 pills Hydroxycut Hardcore
1 pill PrimaForce Max CLA
3 pills Designer supplements LeanXtreme 2.0

Afternoon/lunch time:
1 pill PrimaForce Max CLA
3 pills Designer supplements LeanXtreme 2.0

Evening-around 5 pm
2 pills 25mg Ephedrine + 4 pills Hydroxycut Hardcore

Dinner time:
1 pill PrimaForce Max CLA
3 pills Designer supplements LeanXtreme 2.0

Now some of you might think its extreme. Thats because it is!! I lost 25 pounds in 30 days and I hope to lose another 25 in the next 30 days. I am NOT recommending this but for those of you desperate enough to try it it will work. Just remember, diet and exercise are very important. Exercise will really help to activate the ingredients of the fatburners to get the maximum benefit from them. You will have awesome energy the entire day. Your mind will be clear you will be ready to go at all times. You will probably be more productive at work and you will love how your fat keeps melting off of your body. This works but again if you aren't in good health and have heart or other conditions this stack will probably kill you so good luck and stay safe.

I think that's way too much ephedrine... You might as well take Clen instead of taking that much ephedrine.

[bly3]

100 mg is high but most say 75 is ok, so you aren't too far off. Id just space it out instead of 50 mg at a time.

[smalltimejosh]

so whats the best fat burner that melts off the fat but doesnt affect muscle

[super_power]

yea clen is a great idea....but i am not trying to get arrested by ordering it off the internet stores

[Wakaba]

VPX Redline!

[Djin]

I got sick and tired of being a fat @ss and I have been on a diet for a month now. I started on April 28th at 280 pounds. I now weigh 255. My diet is very clean. Low carbs (only good carbs like vegetables and whole grains) normal to high protein consumption and a lot of low intensity cardio. My fatburning stack is EXTREME and I do not recommend it unless you are young, relatively healthy, dont mind screwing with possible health risks and crazy like I am.

Morning:
2 pills 25mg Ephedrine + 4 pills Hydroxycut Hardcore
1 pill PrimaForce Max CLA
3 pills Designer supplements LeanXtreme 2.0

Afternoon/lunch time:
1 pill PrimaForce Max CLA
3 pills Designer supplements LeanXtreme 2.0

Evening-around 5 pm
2 pills 25mg Ephedrine + 4 pills Hydroxycut Hardcore

Dinner time:
1 pill PrimaForce Max CLA
3 pills Designer supplements LeanXtreme 2.0

Now some of you might think its extreme. Thats because it is!! I lost 25 pounds in 30 days and I hope to lose another 25 in the next 30 days. I am NOT recommending this but for those of you desperate enough to try it it will work. Just remember, diet and exercise are very important. Exercise will really help to activate the ingredients of the fatburners to get the maximum benefit from them. You will have awesome energy the entire day. Your mind will be clear you will be ready to go at all times. You will probably be more productive at work and you will love how your fat keeps melting off of your body. This works but again if you aren't in good health and have heart or other conditions this stack will probably kill you so good luck and stay safe.

I lost 40+ pounds in a few months. I would stay away from the ephedrine + thermo mix. I know you said you want results, but once you stop this cycle, your body will crash hard.

Here's another kicker. Losing a lot of weight fast is fun, but when you have a ton of extra skin that's still flabby because you lost weight at a rapid pace... might make you think twice about how fast you want the weight off.

[Junkie2]

I got sick and tired of being a fat @ss and I have been on a diet for a month now. I started on April 28th at 280 pounds. I now weigh 255. My diet is very clean. Low carbs (only good carbs like vegetables and whole grains) normal to high protein consumption and a lot of low intensity cardio. My fatburning stack is EXTREME and I do not recommend it unless you are young, relatively healthy, dont mind screwing with possible health risks and crazy like I am.

Morning:
2 pills 25mg Ephedrine + 4 pills Hydroxycut Hardcore
1 pill PrimaForce Max CLA
3 pills Designer supplements LeanXtreme 2.0

Afternoon/lunch time:
1 pill PrimaForce Max CLA
3 pills Designer supplements LeanXtreme 2.0

Evening-around 5 pm
2 pills 25mg Ephedrine + 4 pills Hydroxycut Hardcore

Dinner time:
1 pill PrimaForce Max CLA
3 pills Designer supplements LeanXtreme 2.0

Now some of you might think its extreme. Thats because it is!! I lost 25 pounds in 30 days and I hope to lose another 25 in the next 30 days. I am NOT recommending this but for those of you desperate enough to try it it will work. Just remember, diet and exercise are very important. Exercise will really help to activate the ingredients of the fatburners to get the maximum benefit from them. You will have awesome energy the entire day. Your mind will be clear you will be ready to go at all times. You will probably be more productive at work and you will love how your fat keeps melting off of your body. This works but again if you aren't in good health and have heart or other conditions this stack will probably kill you so good luck and stay safe.

Your going to die.... or at least you should for being so stupid.

I am taking hydroxycut hardcore and the back of the label clearly states "no more than 6 within a 24 hour period". Your the big shot taking 8 not including all the other pills.

[Djin]

I will applaud you that "if you make it"... all the supplements go through your heart (since your heart PUMPS BLOOD and the pills go through your blood).

So if you don't die of acute heart failure, cheers to you! I'm not one to usually talk to medical people, but I did bring this up to my mother (who's an LPN of 15 years), and she told me that you're very foolish.

I don't need a medical person to agree, nor do the people here. So as a fellow member, and someone who's looking out, and the others here on this board... we suggest you take another approach at your intake of supplements.

[Karlsson]

^^ Ya that does seem like a bit much..

Anyways, I just ordered Lipo6x. Anyone had experiences with this products? If so, how did it work? How did you like it?

[RooRooTJ]

how is animal cuts or muscletech hydroxycut

I have tried most of them out there and had the best success with Animal Cuts. I got some results with Hydroxycut a few years ago but that was with ephedra. Since then Cuts has been the best for me.

[Djin]

Lipo6X;

You don't NEED to "feel" ANYTHING for fat burning to work. It's not an energy pill, that's why you didn't FELL anything.

Guggulsterones enhances the thyroid and therefor just helps burn fat and metabolis food faster.

I had some good results, but I stacked this with Tetrazene Extreme, and then when I ran out of that, I bought Lipo6X and then stacked that with MAN Scorch.

I had good results, but by itself? No idea. Just remember what's in Lipo6X and understand what it's suppose to do.

[joshy22]

Your going to die.... or at least you should for being so stupid.

I am taking hydroxycut hardcore and the back of the label clearly states "no more than 6 within a 24 hour period". Your the big shot taking 8 not including all the other pills.

Should I tell you a little secret? Most fatburners will say "no more than 6 within a 24 hour period or 8 or 4 or whatever. That doesn't mean you will die if you exceed the recommended dosage. The reason why they put a recommended dosage is because it can be dangerous if you double the dosage and you can get sick. I have spoken to people in the supplement business and they will tell you what they told me. If you aren't sensitive to caffeine you can generally exceed teh recommended dosage a bit and you will be fine. As long as you don't go crazy and as long as you keep it to 2-3 months. Yeah taking what I take is a lot but I only plan on doing it for 2 months. Not more than 3. Some people abuse fatburners and use them 24-7 -365. Thats more dangerous!!!

[joshy22]

I will applaud you that "if you make it"... all the supplements go through your heart (since your heart PUMPS BLOOD and the pills go through your blood).

So if you don't die of acute heart failure, cheers to you! I'm not one to usually talk to medical people, but I did bring this up to my mother (who's an LPN of 15 years), and she told me that you're very foolish.

I don't need a medical person to agree, nor do the people here. So as a fellow member, and someone who's looking out, and the others here on this board... we suggest you take another approach at your intake of supplements.

Respect to your Mom. I know it isn't "smart". If you speak to any sensible doctor they will not recommend fatburners let alone EC! My doctor told me diet and exercise and I know that diet and exercise alone works but I want fast results. I need steady results or I can't stick with it. The fact is that many athletes take ephedrine and other energizers and they take atleast as much as I take if not more. I only plan on doing this for a few months. So don't lecture me dude.

[Djin]

Respect to your Mom. I know it isn't "smart". If you speak to any sensible doctor they will not recommend fatburners let alone EC! My doctor told me diet and exercise and I know that diet and exercise alone works but I want fast results. I need steady results or I can't stick with it. The fact is that many athletes take ephedrine and other energizers and they take atleast as much as I take if not more. I only plan on doing this for a few months. So don't lecture me dude.

And do you remember all the people that have died while on ephedrine? Remember that baseball player that just died in the middle of a game?

The doctors found an elevated amount of ephedrine in his system. We're not here to scare you away from what you're doing, you are making incredible progress... but we are looking after a person.

No one here is your papa, so we can't really have much pull, but it's up to you to receive and understand what we're trying to say.

What about all that excess skin you're about to have? I lost over 40lbs in four months and I hate the amount of skin I have... It's getting more toned, but I shocked my body with rapid fat lost.

You know your body better then anyone, just be alert.

[mobster281]

Would I see results if i take 1 dose of hydroxcut harcore a day instead of 2 like it says on the bottle? Each dose has 300mg of caffeine which is alot and i dont think i could handle taking 600mg daily. Im 5'10 175 and trying to lose some body fat so I can see my abs. My abs are already rock hard but I still got some fat covering so u cant really see them unless i flex. I go to the gym 4 times a week and burn 500 calories on the bike each time i go.

[Djin]

OMFG.

Today is the first day I had a full dose (3 pills) of Meltdown. I feel like I'm going to throw up. Anyone else ever have this feeling?

I'm also stacking L-carnitine and 500mg of green tea. But I never had this type of feeling before... argh!

[mdouglasxy]

I just ordered

Hydroxycut Hardcore :)

Heard good reviews, thanks boys.

[super_power]

DJIN...

never had the feeling of nausea with meltdown...got a bit dizzy with the first few days but it went away after that

QUESTION FOR EVERYBODY....what is the best way to flush your system of residual supps...i just finished hot rox/meltdown and i want to start animal cuts ASAP but i dont want my body to be used to the stimulants...i want that system shock factor....i will be taking a week off of supps but is there anything out there that will help to flush me out??

[Djin]

DJIN...

never had the feeling of nausea with meltdown...got a bit dizzy with the first few days but it went away after that

QUESTION FOR EVERYBODY....what is the best way to flush your system of residual supps...i just finished hot rox/meltdown and i want to start animal cuts ASAP but i dont want my body to be used to the stimulants...i want that system shock factor....i will be taking a week off of supps but is there anything out there that will help to flush me out??

I feel much better now that I ate some oatmeal to soak it up.

Milk Thistle, cranberry and there's a few others that will help flush your system and help you liver and kidney... since everything gets filtered through you liver... milk thistle is your best friend.

[DGreekStallion]

I feel much better now that I ate some oatmeal to soak it up.

Milk Thistle, cranberry and there's a few others that will help flush your system and help you liver and kidney... since everything gets filtered through you liver... milk thistle is your best friend.

X2.

[DGreekStallion]

OMFG.

Today is the first day I had a full dose (3 pills) of Meltdown. I feel like I'm going to throw up. Anyone else ever have this feeling?

I'm also stacking L-carnitine and 500mg of green tea. But I never had this type of feeling before... argh!


I know exactly how you feel. I stopped taking Meltdown due to that feeling.

The euphoria was nice though, have you felt it?

[Djin]

I know exactly how you feel. I stopped taking Meltdown due to that feeling.

The euphoria was nice though, have you felt it?

I feel "different". When I look at something for a bit, or listen to some trance music... I zone out a lot more... so I guess that's euphoria? ;0

[DGreekStallion]

I feel "different". When I look at something for a bit, or listen to some trance music... I zone out a lot more... so I guess that's euphoria? ;0

I suppose so. I took it before school and on the drive there was singing, dancing and all kinds of ****. That was my euphoria.

[Karlsson]

I just bought my first bottle of Lipo6. Starting out tomorrow. Any tips?

[Djin]

I just bought my first bottle of Lipo6. Starting out tomorrow. Any tips?

Stack it. :)

[B2BNutrition]

Hey guys, whats up. I am an owner of Back 2 Basics Nutrition, and my product, The BasiX, is now being sold on bodybuilding.com. It is a pre-workout drink that is the best one out there, and I've tried them all. I use it every workout and my maxes in everything went up. Feel free to shoot me an e-mail with any questions at back2basicsnutrition@gmail.com. Check out our bodybuilding.com page- http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/b2basix/basix.html.

-Jared

[DGreekStallion]

Hey guys, whats up. I am an owner of Back 2 Basics Nutrition, and my product, The BasiX, is now being sold on bodybuilding.com. It is a pre-workout drink that is the best one out there, and I've tried them all. I use it every workout and my maxes in everything went up. Feel free to shoot me an e-mail with any questions at back2basicsnutrition@gmail.com. Check out our bodybuilding.com page- http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/b2basix/basix.html.

-Jared

This is not the correct thread to advertise your products.

[Djin]

This is not the correct thread to advertise your products.

I concur.

[Karlsson]

Stack it. :)

I am taking Animal Pump every other day before I work out. I will leave the red pill out though while im on lipo6


the lipo6 botle says 1 pill 3 times daily.. should i go by that?

[Djin]

I am taking Animal Pump every other day before I work out. I will leave the red pill out though while im on lipo6


the lipo6 botle says 1 pill 3 times daily.. should i go by that?

I've personally used 2 pills three times a day. I stacked it with MAN Scorch, and then rebought Lipo6X and stacked it with Tetrazene Extreme.

What's the "red" pill? Is that the one that makes you see the Matrix?

[Karlsson]

I've personally used 2 pills three times a day. I stacked it with MAN Scorch, and then rebought Lipo6X and stacked it with Tetrazene Extreme.

What's the "red" pill? Is that the one that makes you see the Matrix?

Alright cool, after a couple days ill give it a try. How were your results with lipo6?

Ya but i dont like those agents following me so i just leave it out... Its the Stim. But since lipo6 has stims in it i wont take the red one.


One concern of mine.. am I able to drink while I am on lipo6?

[Djin]

Alright cool, after a couple days ill give it a try. How were your results with lipo6?

Ya but i dont like those agents following me so i just leave it out... Its the Stim. But since lipo6 has stims in it i wont take the red one.


One concern of mine.. am I able to drink while I am on lipo6?

Never stopped me. (Drinking)

Well... lets just say that I was 245lbs Christmas, and now I'm 203lbs. I do think it's helped me get this far.

[Karlsson]

Awesome man those are great results!

Thanks for clearing that up too (drinking)

repped

[gregorious]

Just to clarify something about Lipo6 (again) . So it's a stim that also boosts one's metabolism, which means that if I eat something unhealthy like a bowl of cereal with milk , the carbs from that meal won't hurt me as much while I am on Lipo6 as they would have if I wasn't on it?

[super_power]

there is nothing wrong with a bowl of cereal with milk...just make sure its not lucky charms or anything too full of sugar...and make sure its skim milk.

[Rmjk416]

anyone have any advice of excellent fat loss workouts that work well, fast, and can help me lose around 30 pounds? i need some assistance and i know of the HIIT workouts which i was thinking about trying and taking it with some supplement (maybe Lipo 6 or Lipo 6x)? any advice or recommendations?

[Djin]

anyone have any advice of excellent fat loss workouts that work well, fast, and can help me lose around 30 pounds? i need some assistance and i know of the HIIT workouts which i was thinking about trying and taking it with some supplement (maybe Lipo 6 or Lipo 6x)? any advice or recommendations?

Excellent fat loss workouts = any workout. Or activity over 15 minutes.

I lost over 40lbs since Christmas... but 40lbs in four months. All I did was minor weight training and work. That's pretty much all I did.

Just take the standard dose of Lipo6. Just remember it's a FAT BURNER and not an energy pill.

[willfstar]

let me no how the lipo6 goes. i just bougght a bottle but im fin ishing some stuff i have now first. good luck

[lcraig]

i started off slow and by a week I tried the whole dose. My review is mixed. One, after my body adapted to it, I definitely lost my appetite, to the point I had to force myself to eat. So i cut back the dose. Now i have taken a break, because after three weeks I think it is time for a break.

I think people are just going to have to try it for themselves. i will use it again after a weeks break, but I don't want to become dependent on it.

[willfstar]

getting descent results though?

[Djin]

Lipo6X > Lipo6.

[baznguy]

I can't wait for my REDUCTION to come in

[PRoCIRCUIT304R]

-How well would Lipo 6X and LeanXtream 2.0 stack?
I have started out with Lipo 6 finished the bottle. waited 2 weeks, then went to Lipo 6x. finished that off yesterday. Have been eating clean, high protein, low carb diet. currently weight 195lbs when I started I was 210. My goal is to get to 175-80lbs I am 5'8". For cardio I go mountain bike riding for 45min-1hr. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

*Note
-Supplements
ON 100% Whey Protein (2scoops 4x daily)
NatureMade 1200mg Fish Oil (4x daily)
Lipo 6X ( 2x morning 1x evening)

[Djin]

-How well would Lipo 6X and LeanXtream 2.0 stack?
I have started out with Lipo 6 finished the bottle. waited 2 weeks, then went to Lipo 6x. finished that off yesterday. Have been eating clean, high protein, low carb diet. currently weight 195lbs when I started I was 210. My goal is to get to 175-80lbs I am 5'8". For cardio I go mountain bike riding for 45min-1hr. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

*Note
-Supplements
ON 100% Whey Protein (2scoops 4x daily)
NatureMade 1200mg Fish Oil (4x daily)
Lipo 6X ( 2x morning 1x evening)

I couldn't find Lean Xtreme 2.0... got a URL for said product? Lipo6 is a thyroid enhancing thingy mabob. And if the Lean Xtreme 2.0is a thermo you'll be fine.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I can't wait for my REDUCTION to come in

keep us posted on your results, REDuction is taking the world by storm :)

[BackwoodsGa]

Im very fat, what should i do. I can't see my dick.Cut,cut,cut,buy some arson fat burner and lift like a mad man!

[BackwoodsGa]

anyone have any advice of excellent fat loss workouts that work well, fast, and can help me lose around 30 pounds? i need some assistance and i know of the HIIT workouts which i was thinking about trying and taking it with some supplement (maybe Lipo 6 or Lipo 6x)? any advice or recommendations?Give arson a try!ive been using it for bout a month and my weight is dropping like crazy!i tried lipo 6 and all it did was give me extreme diarrhea.Arson is a little pricey but well worth it.

[Djin]

Give arson a try!ive been using it for bout a month and my weight is dropping like crazy!i tried lipo 6 and all it did was give me extreme diarrhea.Arson is a little pricey but well worth it.

I bought Arson for $32. :) Not expensive really. If you look close, you'll notice it's made by the same people who make Hydroxycut. And it's pretty much the SAME damn product.

Makes you think how many suckers bought it... LAWL!

*EDIT*

I guess that made me a sucker... but I'll never support that company again. For their lies and veil they pull over the consumers eyes. **** THAT noise!

[razors_edge]

alright summers around the corner, and in 2 weeks I'm starting my cutting phase. And I am going to go for sprinting next year, and I'll be training all summer. So alone from all the running, I'll be loosing alot of weight. However to speed things up since its almost summer already, I need a cutting stack.

So far heres what I'm thinking:

Revolution Cuts (it has CLA,GLA, etc)
Lipo6X
L-carnitine
Tuarine + Ginseng Pills (for energy)
Green Tea extract
CE2 Hi Def Creatine

Tell me what you think, and if I should replace anything with somthing else.

[Trem24]

I've been thinking about MAN Scorch stacked with Vaporize, anybody try this? How'd it work?

[PRoCIRCUIT304R]

I couldn't find Lean Xtreme 2.0... got a URL for said product? Lipo6 is a thyroid enhancing thingy mabob. And if the Lean Xtreme 2.0is a thermo you'll be fine.

Link
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/design/lean.html
Link
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4525103
FAQ:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4525103

How would you go about stacking this? Should i be taking L-carnitine or eat lots of avocados?

[Djin]

Link
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/design/lean.html
Link
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4525103
FAQ:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4525103

How would you go about stacking this? Should i be taking L-carnitine or eat lots of avocados?

I found it after I found the CORRECT spelling of it. Um... I take L-carnitine... as for the avocados, those are "good" fats.

What would you use them for? Fiber?

[PRoCIRCUIT304R]

Avocados are good for fiber, vitamins, potassium(60% more than a banana), also good fats as you mentioned.
" L-Carnitine is available as a high quality supplement from Bodybuilding.com, as well as from natural and synthetic sources. It is also found in avocados, dairy products, and red meats (especially lamb and beef)." - Bodybuilding.com

What is your take on Lean Xtreme? Would you stack it with Lipo 6X? Kinda new to this stacking stuff. Need to know, im going to start another bottle of Lipo 6X shortly. would like to boost its potential by stacking it safely. What kinda cycle would you recommended for Lipo 6X?

[Djin]

I sometimes abuse supplements like it was crack.

I stacked Lipo6X for two straight bottles with other thermos. Never had an bad happen, just a good amount of weight drop.

Lean Xtreme sounds like it's one hell of a product. I'm not really sure. You would have to see how well your body handles the Lean Xtreme. If you feel that you can handle it, then if wanted, slowly introduce the stack with it.

I stack Meltdown with 500mg of green tea, L-carnitine, multivitamin and about six pills of this cleaners for my intestinal track.

[PRoCIRCUIT304R]

Alright, I am going to order some to test it out! What would you class it as a Thermo or a Thyroid?

[Djin]

Lipo6(X) is more a fat burner/thyroid.

[curtis0072]

hey im trying to cut fat and gain muscle and hope to keep my weight kind of higher, sounds weird but i need it.

i will buy and take any supplement you guys reccomend and i think is good.

the reason i need to cut fat and gain muscle and keep weight is i play football and im a fullback and im getting way to fat.

im 5,4 185... i know =/ and im 16

Any suggestions?

i was thinking mabye Arson stacked with Muscle Rx?

[maxideus]

I don't know where to ask this, but I also want to stack Lipo 6x safely with other potential supplements. I was looking at Dicana but it is a thyroid hormone. The problem is, Lipo 6x also has thyroid boosting capabilities. All in all, would it be a good idea to stack these two supplements together or would it put my thyroid in shutdown mode? Otherwise, I would choose to stack Lipo 6x with Tetrazene Extreme but I hear Tetrazene Extreme is a load of junk.

I would appreciate if I can get some experienced opinions. Thank you.

[Djin]

I don't know where to ask this, but I also want to stack Lipo 6x safely with other potential supplements. I was looking at Dicana but it is a thyroid hormone. The problem is, Lipo 6x also has thyroid boosting capabilities. All in all, would it be a good idea to stack these two supplements together or would it put my thyroid in shutdown mode? Otherwise, I would choose to stack Lipo 6x with Tetrazene Extreme but I hear Tetrazene Extreme is a load of junk.

I would appreciate if I can get some experienced opinions. Thank you.

I found that Lipo6X and Tetrazene Extreme worked quite well. I had to force myself to eat when I was doing that...

Load of junk? Who said that? I personally think Tetrazene Extreme and MAN Scorch are some of the better ones out there. Just because it doesn't have the state of the art chemicals, herbs do just as well (I believe, if not better at times).

Look at my bodyspace and see how much weight I've dropped. I used L-carnitine and Lipo6X as staple supplements.

Below are just a few difference of the two I mentioned above. The thing I liked better about MAN Scorch was it showed how much of what was in each thing. As for the "Tetrazene Extreme" it just gives you a total. I like knowing how much of what's in what.

MAN Scorch; 1500mg total.
Lean Green- Green Tea SE 250mg
(90% Catechins, 60% EGCG)
Total EGCG Per Serving 150mg
P2? Oolong Tea SE 250mg
(30% Polymerized Polyphenols, 10% EGCG)
Total Polymerized Polyphenols Per Serving 75mg
Total EGCG Per Serving 25mg
Caffeine USP 200mg
PEA (Phenylethylamine) 150mg
Isobutyryl Thiamine Disulfide 150mg
RK? Raspberry Ketones 125mg
Evodiamine 99% 50m
Ginger Root SE (5% Gingerols & Shogaols) 50mg
Synephrine 99% 20mg
Bioperine? 5mg

Tetrazene Extreme; 1332mg toatl
ThermoZene Proprietary Blend? *
Slimaluma? Extract(Caralluma Fibriata)(Aerial Parts) *
Green Tea Extract(Camellia Sinensis)(Dried Leaves)[Standardized For 98% Polyphenols, 75% Catechins, 45% Epigallocatechin-3-P-Gallate] *
Caffeine(Caffeine Anhydrous)(Supplying 199mg Of Caffeine) *
Mucuna Pruriens(Seeds)[Standardized For 15% L-Dopa] *
Razberi-Kraspberry Ketone(4-(-Hydroxyphenyl)butan-2-One) *
Oolong Tea Extract(Camellia Sinensis)(Leaves)[Standarized For 30% Polyphenols And 10% Epigallocatechin-3-P-Gallate] *
Green Coffee Extract(Coffee Arabica)(Fruit)[Standarized For 30% Chlorogenic Acid] *
Vinpocetine *
Huperzine A(Huperzia Serrata)(Aerial Plant)

[Karlsson]

I have lost 4 pounds in the last 4 days on lipo6. I am also running and lifting.
So far I am excited about this!

[Djin]

Is this the first time you started to lose weight, etc?

Just an FYI; usually the first 10lbs is water weight. Be keep trucking.

[Karlsson]

yeah, i have been working out and running for a while but the weight still seems to stick around at 175. I weighed myself last thursday i was 172.5. Last night i weighed out to 170.

It probably is water but it does give me a positive outlook on this.

[willfstar]

good job on the results. even if if they are simpy mental at this stage thats half the battle. hope this stuff works for me too

[Cyrus317]

hey im trying to cut fat and gain muscle and hope to keep my weight kind of higher, sounds weird but i need it.

i will buy and take any supplement you guys reccomend and i think is good.

the reason i need to cut fat and gain muscle and keep weight is i play football and im a fullback and im getting way to fat.

im 5,4 185... i know =/ and im 16

Any suggestions?

i was thinking mabye Arson stacked with Muscle Rx?

Gah!!! People. Slow down! NO. You aren't going to "cut fat and gain muscle." Not all at once. I mean, ok, if you are clasically obese, yes, but otherwise... pff...

Before you start believing ANYTHING anyone wants to pimp to you on a supplement, go outside and run in the sun. 30-45 minutes a day! Bring water. Run at a good pace. Get a running partner if you can. And don't you dare let your ass walk for a "short break." Do a bit of HIIT sprinting at the end. Spend another hour/day at the gym 4-5 times/week. Don't be lazy! Bust your ass. I was 5'4" once... I went from 190 to 145 in 1.5 months. Of course, that was in wrestling practice, but the point is, when you are that heavy, and that short, the weight will come off fast with some hard work! Do it!

THEN... when you are done cutting. PROTEIN! LOTS OF PROTEIN! You want to take an energy supplement on top of it? Fine. Hell, a 300 mg caffeine pill should be enough for you, but take something for energy. Don't start taking cutting supplements like Lipo6x when you are building. It's a waste of your time and money. You want to build in an anabolic state. You want to cut in a catabolic state. You can't be in both at the same time.

Start with the running. It will help your energy levels, help your endurance, and build your confidence in the mirror. Then, hit the weights hard. Supplements are great, but for someone your age, with your goals, stick to the basics. Protein, Multivitamin, fish oil, dedication.

[ponarona19]

How exactly do you stack lipo-6 and man torch what is the Dosage? i'm about 6-3 270

[Djin]

Gah!!! People. Slow down! NO. You aren't going to "cut fat and gain muscle." Not all at once. I mean, ok, if you are clasically obese, yes, but otherwise... pff...

Before you start believing ANYTHING anyone wants to pimp to you on a supplement, go outside and run in the sun. 30-45 minutes a day! Bring water. Run at a good pace. Get a running partner if you can. And don't you dare let your ass walk for a "short break." Do a bit of HIIT sprinting at the end. Spend another hour/day at the gym 4-5 times/week. Don't be lazy! Bust your ass. I was 5'4" once... I went from 190 to 145 in 1.5 months. Of course, that was in wrestling practice, but the point is, when you are that heavy, and that short, the weight will come off fast with some hard work! Do it!

THEN... when you are done cutting. PROTEIN! LOTS OF PROTEIN! You want to take an energy supplement on top of it? Fine. Hell, a 300 mg caffeine pill should be enough for you, but take something for energy. Don't start taking cutting supplements like Lipo6x when you are building. It's a waste of your time and money. You want to build in an anabolic state. You want to cut in a catabolic state. You can't be in both at the same time.

Start with the running. It will help your energy levels, help your endurance, and build your confidence in the mirror. Then, hit the weights hard. Supplements are great, but for someone your age, with your goals, stick to the basics. Protein, Multivitamin, fish oil, dedication.


I think that a lot of people understand how to lose weight, supplements of this type HELP speed the process.

I went from 245lbs to 203lbs in a few months. Never a day of cardio and I just now started to jog. It's a lot easier then people make it, and hell of a lot easier then YOU make it.

You don't want to cut in a catabolic state. That's when your body starts to eat muscle... And yes you can gain and lose at the same time. Muscle burns MORE fat then doing nothing. So you can easily start lifting and gain lean muscle while dropping weight.

I do agree that for someone that young they shouldn't be doing tons of supplements (other then the staple ones, and I'm not talking about creatine).

I do concur though. But one thing that Mr. Captain Gunhoe doesn't recognize is that you first have to learn how to walk before you can jog, or run.

If you can't walk about an hour without dying, if you started to job you would probably have an acute heart attack. Look up some articles about jogging, it's some of the best ways to lose weight, but it's also high impact on your body.

Also, sometimes walking is better then running. You can go farther and is almost no impact on the knees. If there's a YMCA or a pool in your area, that too is a great way to do a total body workout.

[Djin]

How exactly do you stack lipo-6 and man torch what is the Dosage? i'm about 6-3 270

Just read the directions on both bottles, take them both together. Hold on and get ready to get high as a kite the first day or so... lol

[ponarona19]

Just read the directions on both bottles, take them both together. Hold on and get ready to get high as a kite the first day or so... lol

No, **** my freakin head is wiggin out.AAAAHHHHH!!!! naw but i can really feel it. Feels like old school ephedrine.

[Djin]

If things get too wacky, I find eating a nice bowl of oatmeal helps damper the effects. Also make sure you drink extra water when taking that many supplements.

I actually drink an extra half gallon just to keep my body happy.

[Crewpierce]

Biotest Hot-Rox Extreme hands down.

[ponarona19]

If things get too wacky, I find eating a nice bowl of oatmeal helps damper the effects. Also make sure you drink extra water when taking that many supplements.

I actually drink an extra half gallon just to keep my body happy.

Thanks the water helped

[shivers316]

I'm liking BSN Atro-Phex right now. Keeps the water off and gives good energy.

[maxideus]

Djin, did you find that you felt restless, nervous, jittery, or other similar symptoms while on Lipo6x and Tetrazene? The reason I ask this is because both supplements contain 200mg of caffeine per serving - that's 400 mg of caffeine everytime you pop those supplements in your mouth.

Would the non-caffeinated version of Tetrazene work as well as the Extreme version?

[Djin]

Djin, did you find that you felt restless, nervous, jittery, or other similar symptoms while on Lipo6x and Tetrazene? The reason I ask this is because both supplements contain 200mg of caffeine per serving - that's 400 mg of caffeine everytime you pop those supplements in your mouth.

Would the non-caffeinated version of Tetrazene work as well as the Extreme version?

I'm not proud of this, but I use to do a lot of coke in my younger years. Caffeine really doesn't do much for me.

I probably take way more then 400mg of caffeine now. 500mg of green tea x2 - 3, and then x3 pills of Meltdown twice a day. 1-2g of L-carnitine.

I don't really feel much. I was outside today in 80(F) degree weather in a winter's hoodie doing hard work and concrete forms... call me crazy. haha

I get use to stimulants fast.

[RonShipman]

Animal Cuts

[greg_84]

I ahven't done a whole lot of cutting diets, BUT I have done a cycle of both GNC brand cuts, and Hydroxycut Hardcore, and I lost more weight on GNC, although I gained it all back within a week of coming off of it.

It gave me gas, and softened me up quite a bit.
I find with hydroxycut, I am getting indegestion, and feeling dehydrated, but have yet to see any results on the scale. anyways.. I know people are always big-upping hydroxycut, maybe it just doesn't work for me.

[Adot]

stacker 2

no doubt.....

[phenomenon666]

LIPIXOR by Nanox Nutriceuticals without any doubt!!! its the ****!

[Djin]

I ahven't done a whole lot of cutting diets, BUT I have done a cycle of both GNC brand cuts, and Hydroxycut Hardcore, and I lost more weight on GNC, although I gained it all back within a week of coming off of it.

It gave me gas, and softened me up quite a bit.
I find with hydroxycut, I am getting indegestion, and feeling dehydrated, but have yet to see any results on the scale. anyways.. I know people are always big-upping hydroxycut, maybe it just doesn't work for me.

It's because MuscleTech Hydroxycut Hardcore is so "commercialized" it's not even funny. Also it's from MuscleTech and people think highly of them.

I personally don't care much for Hydroxycut and would rather stick to something I know works. If you want to stop all the stomach issues, I'd suggest taking some papaya with your thermos. This will help your stomach and the gas/bile from upsetting it.

[acortazz]

ive been taking lipo 6... i thin its the older formula becasue the pills arent white as advertised. But regardless its working decent i look a lot better in the mirror my arms are a lot more cut ony lost like 4 pounds tho... im really looking foward to trying out REDuction. Once i get some money im going to be taking REDuction, green mag, whey, and multis.

[ultragymrat]

every time i hear "ephedra-free" I want to break something - some bastards with preexisting heart conditions OD'ed on 100 mgs while doing 3 hour summer double sessions and the world has to suffer forever for their stupidity ? That is just wrong.

[opfor101]

i would say venom hyperdrive 3.0


that thing after taking 2 pills made me feel VERY VERY speedy.
felt like i had to run, and i was keep figdeting in my seat
it was like adderall, and im not even joking.
and it made my heart beat waaay faster than adderall does.

[DGreekStallion]

Biotest Hot-Rox Extreme hands down.

Worked for me, except I got used to it.

I have high tolerance to everything, which sucks.

[DGreekStallion]

Anyone around here take Recreate?

[DGreekStallion]

I'm thinking of combining MAN Vaporize, USP Recreate, and **** Venom Lean Dreams.

Anyone have any thoughts on this hopefully awesome stack?

[sandman06]

has anyone tried lipolyze by species nutrition?

[Djin]

has anyone tried lipolyze by species nutrition?

Lol.

My mom takes this, I know another person who takes this... let me tell you a little something... It doesn't work.

A friend of mine that I suggested Animal Cuts lost 5lbs in a couple weeks, while her friend lost only 1lb in two months on Lipolyze.

So you choose. If you can buy it from the television, I wouldn't buy it.

[nathanjohn314]

What is the difference between lipo 6 and lipo 6x?

I am 5'9, 160, already in real good shape but want to drop body fat percent to look cut for summer. Yes I already do cardio and eat very well, but I have that damn 'genetic fat' coating my abs thanks to my dad! I am not 'fat' any place else, just looking for something to help burn the stubborn fat off my abs. Ideas?

[Djin]

Lipo6X is more time released... "pill inside a pill".

A few other minor things, but that's pretty much it.