Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

[spider9]

Muscle-tech's thermoshred seems to give me plent of motivation for the gym.

[deserusan]

Thank you for the link:)
I've tried a few different fat burners and I haven't been about to find one I really like yet, I'll try this and see how it goes.

Sounds good man. :)

[kag808]

One of the best fat burners out there right now is def BSN's Atro-Phex... this **** is the real deal. It not only tightens you up and shreds the fat off, it also gives you this feeling of positive attitude everytime you take the servings. Ive tried a lot of different fat burners and this one is def worth its weight in gold.


So what is the difference between Atro-Phex and Thermonex? I've been taking BSN's Thermonex and unfortunately it hasn't done much for me but I was also considering Atro-Phex. Aren't they pretty much the same thing? I'd really appreciate any feedback. Thanks! :)

[Kasino Royale]

I've tried quite a few and the ones I like our:

- Ergopharm's AMP. Good stuff. Very noticable with 3 pills on an empty stomach. Makes your urine smell weird, I think. I'm on it now so I'm trying to document everything I'm consuming to make sure its the culprit.

-Hydroxycut Hardcore. If you can tolerate how it makes you feel when on the full dosage. I can see some people who are sensitive to the stuff not wanting to touch the stuff. I was going to the bathroom like every 10mins.

The one from Fitness Labs is so-so. The Xenadrine EFX is so-so. Both arent' bad I"d give them a 'B'. Nothing that will make you forget the days of ephedra but not crap either. If you see a good deal then pick them up if not stick with the two above.

Animal cuts - C to C+. I really didn't get a kick from it. The kitchen sink approach I think hurts them. They should focus on quality instead of adding every thermogenic ingrediant on the market.

-VPX Redline drinks - Really gets you sweating. Can't recall it giving me an energy kick however. I usually take it before playing basketball to really kick up the sweating.

Theres more I"ll add when I think of them.

[newyorkfit]

If you had to pick just ONE ephedra-free fat burning product, what would be the best one?

Please pick product and include the brand. Give your reasons. The best answers will be displayed on the main Bodybuilding.com site for millions of people to see!

(Note: This is not a discussion about how or when to take fat burners, if you should take fat burners, or why some fat burners are NOT good. Just list your absolute favorite fat burning product and give your detailed reason.)


The best?? Redshift with Neuridium.

No yohimbe or other dangerous crap that BSN & Muscletech throw in. Its not hyped up and over-marketed like they're known for (not to mention false promises on results). Its stronger and has a more effective mood enhancer in it that keeps me motivated and focused. I've never taken anything like it. The owners are just 2 guys in the military (they designed it for their tough needs), and have done an excellent job making a great overall product without the need to market the **** out of something that's total crap. A marine buddy of mine turned me on to this.. its also cheaper too. I wish they would have told me about it earlier.

[KeepItSmoothBro]

Venom Hyperdrive 3.0

The first time I took it, I was blown away. Ephedrine HCl just got to the point where you needed to show ID for purchases and I wasn't going to do that. The first day, despite my last dosage being at noon, I was up until 1:30 am. The amazing thing was that I was up at 5:30 am, feeling like I got a full night's rest. This continued for about two weeks until even three doses a day was not enough and finally, my sleep went back to normal.

The appetite suppressant is huge here. You have to force yourself to eat because if you're to rely on your gut, you won't be eating much. It is good if you have a structured day but once I went about 15 hours without food when I was going activities with friends and stuff. Not good.

The downside is that you need to be chugging water. If you don't, you will get excruciating headaches that take days to recover from. So keep a water bottle next to you at all times. Seriously.

This is my favorite.

[nasrizainol]

what do you guys think of Super Cuts 3 by Universal?
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/cuts3.html

and how about caffeine pills?

[bacovioiii]

I've had some great progress with TwinLab's Ripped Fuel Extreme. I had good progress with the regular version but have seen twice the results with Extreme.
I'm getting ready to get my second bottle of this stuff.

[erica514]

I LOVE GASPARI'S CYTOLEAN!!!!! 'Nuff said. :P

[simpleguy]

hydroxycut hardcore is a good product as long as you can take in the full dosage (600 mg of caffeine a day)... animal cuts is also pretty good, and helps with that subcutanoeus water , it'll really make you look shredded

[pitchking]

Albuterol......clen

[Kurt Hustle]

Does anyone have any stories of what Animal Cuts did for them...I currently stack Scorch with EFA Lean Gold + Animal Pak. Was thinking of switching the Scorch with Animal Cuts. Anyone have any advice? Good move or bad? Thanks in advance.

[BIG CHUCKY]

designer supplements basic cuts has helped me tremendously

[pitchking]

animal cuts is good, but not great. got some results, but they were just average.

Try hydroxycut hardcore

[Brand New Hero]

I know I'm probably going to get sh*t for it, but I have to say Hydroxycut Hardcore worked well for both my friend and I. Between us we lost 120 lbs. Yes anything Muscletech is over-hyped, over-advertised, and overpriced, but they are quality products. Let the hate begin...

[som3a14]

Hi everyone.

I've just finished experimenting 2 products. I've tried MAN Scorch and it really worked well for me. I've also tried the much more famous Lipo 6 but haven't had much success with it neither as an energy booster nor a fat burner.

Now I wanna try some new brands. I've red about that Hot-Rox product and it seems like a good one but I was hoping to get some feedback from anyone who've used the product to tell me if it's really worth it.

So...Anyone??

[SheWulf]

Does anyone have any stories of what Animal Cuts did for them...I currently stack Scorch with EFA Lean Gold + Animal Pak. Was thinking of switching the Scorch with Animal Cuts. Anyone have any advice? Good move or bad? Thanks in advance.


Hey, i take animal pak daily, as well as Scivation Xtend, and Super Pump 250. I have tried numerous fat burners. For a while I was taking Scorch and Vaporize together, and then stacked Animal Cuts on top of that for one cycle. It's a lot of pills to take daily, but I had awesome results. I was taking Scorch and Vaporize for a couple weeks prior to starting Cuts, and i was getting good results. When i added Cuts i found it really helped me keep off water weight and break through a plateau. My bf% dropped within a couple weeks. Now I don't take any burners, I stopped taking Scorch and Vaporize about 1-2 weeks before my Animal Cuts cycle was up, to ween myself off the stims. When i stopped taking cuts for a couple days my body felt tired from the lack of stims but it was worth it, great to stack together imo. Just drink lots of water with Animal Cuts and be sure to have close access to a toilet! (You'll be peeing all day, especially at first)

And in reply to the post above mine. I highly recommend MAN Scorch and Vaporize. Products that did not work for me were Lipo6x and Zantrex 3. I also tried a Xyience one that didn't do much either. Hot Rox was okay, but I would def say MAN Scorch was the best stim burner as well as Animal Cuts was awesome too!

[Kurt Hustle]

Hey, i take animal pak daily, as well as Scivation Xtend, and Super Pump 250. I have tried numerous fat burners. For a while I was taking Scorch and Vaporize together, and then stacked Animal Cuts on top of that for one cycle. It's a lot of pills to take daily, but I had awesome results. I was taking Scorch and Vaporize for a couple weeks prior to starting Cuts, and i was getting good results. When i added Cuts i found it really helped me keep off water weight and break through a plateau. My bf% dropped within a couple weeks. Now I don't take any burners, I stopped taking Scorch and Vaporize about 1-2 weeks before my Animal Cuts cycle was up, to ween myself off the stims. When i stopped taking cuts for a couple days my body felt tired from the lack of stims but it was worth it, great to stack together imo. Just drink lots of water with Animal Cuts and be sure to have close access to a toilet! (You'll be peeing all day, especially at first)


Awesome. Thanks for the input. I started with my Animal Cuts + EFA Lean Gold + Animal Pak in the gym today. Felt great...lets see how it pans out.

[Juiced Up Jeff]

I take Lipo 6. I have seen results and been VERY satisfied!

Yohimbe proven to work

(as a sales rep I must try all products)

next in line: Hydroxycut Hardcore, BSN Atro-Phex

"Juiced Up Jeff"
Bodybuilding.com Rep

[waytoodeep03]

Does anyone have any stories of what Animal Cuts did for them...I currently stack Scorch with EFA Lean Gold + Animal Pak. Was thinking of switching the Scorch with Animal Cuts. Anyone have any advice? Good move or bad? Thanks in advance.

Cuts is the real deal. It gets that water weight off you so you can see your results. The energy is below average.

Does anyone know about Super Cuts 3?

[depratercm]

I tried Animal Cuts, wasn't happy with the result (what results). Started taken S.A.N. TIGHT ... MAN!!! I sit in an A/C room and just sitting there sweating.

[micdaddy]

Dialene 4

[crustygt]

I have taken the Venon Hyperdrive and that worked well to get me over where I was stuck. I used lipo6 but it never did a thing for me. Now I am taking BSN Atro-Phex, I didnt feel anything on the 1 pill but taking 2 in the am and 2 in the afternoon has been working but it still is not as strong as the Venom. I also have taken the hydroxy cut hardcore and it worked well for the pump but I pissed all the time and had the shakes
Anyone know anyother supplements worth trying like Venom or I may just go back to it next cut.

[wit0005]

I am currently taking 'iSatori Lean System 7' and, after 1.5 weeks, I'm VERY happy with the results. The effect that it has on my energy levels and stamina is fantastic and not so noticeable that you are crawling up the walls.
The company is quick to outline possible side effects, but i found that as long as you keep your water intake up, and have good quality proteins throughout the day; the side effects are minimal if any. I can actually see the shape of my body changing- purely because the pills have given me that extra bit of stamina to run and work out for longer....and HARDER!!!

I've only been on it for a little while, but i'll keep everyone updated once i'm done.

[humblereloaded]

Last few posts, interesting.

I was looking at trying Venom as I heard good things about it.

I am currently on LS7 and although my diet isn't 100% I am still in pretty much a deficit mode but that's how I usually am anyway. I am finding that the LS7 is helping a fair bit. One of the very few products that I am happy with as I am usually very skeptical and tried quite a few.

I was thinking about the MX LS7 since it supposedly packs more of a punch.

Any reviews between the venom and MX LS7 or at least testimonials on each?

Your help is appreciated.

[-NB-]

What is a good fat burner to take that would be safe for someone my age (16) ?

I'm on a solid diet/workout/cardio plan, but am having trouble dropping the fat on abs/love handles/chest, geneticly this is where most of my fat is stored.

My legs/arms/face/upper back/ shoulders have really leaned out...

[jench]

What is a good fat burner to take that would be safe for someone my age (16) ?

I'm on a solid diet/workout/cardio plan, but am having trouble dropping the fat on abs/love handles/chest, geneticly this is where most of my fat is stored.

My legs/arms/face/upper back/ shoulders have really leaned out...

Starting with Scorch & Sesaglow seems good

[Rippinit]

My two favorites have been hotrox extreme from biotest and leanfire inferno v2 from instone.

[thedrivenone]

What is a good fat burner to take that would be safe for someone my age (16) ?

I'm on a solid diet/workout/cardio plan, but am having trouble dropping the fat on abs/love handles/chest, geneticly this is where most of my fat is stored.

My legs/arms/face/upper back/ shoulders have really leaned out...

Exact same problem here. 16 years old, actually closer to 17. I want a fat burner that's safe for me and I'm on a really good diet plan with a strong workout/cardio plan. Same areas of my body have leaned out and same areas need help.

Someone below that post mentioned Scorch but I read that shouldn't be used by someone under 18. Same goes for Universal Animal Cuts which I was intending to purchase but then realized it's 18 or under. I'm looking at other alternatives.

How is MAN Vaporize? Or the Syntrax Frye & Gug combo? Any others?

[GeneticsTMF]

I'm 17 years old and I would have to say Animal Cuts has worked great for me in the past with no side effects. They recommend 18 or over but people's bodies progress at different times and rates. You really have to know yourself and know which products will help and hurt you. Break down the products ingredient by ingredient and see which works the best for your personal goals and your body. Your the only person who knows whats right for you.

[pitchking]

Euphedragen (i think thats how you spell it) and Noxycut.

[tellmewhy]

I'm thinking about taking Dymetadrine Xtreme to increase my intensity in the gym but I'm a small dude 5'9 130 pounds and I'm not sure if I could loose any more pounds. I could defiantly cut though, will this make me look like a prisoner of war or just make me a bit more "cut"?

[jrasouli]

I have been taking Lipo 6 for a little over a week so its too early for me to advise anyone to use it, but I was looking over the ingredients in Animal Cuts and man, it has a lot of caffeine. I imagine one can easily develop caffeine withdrawal symptoms after taking AC (or even lipo 6) for an extended period of time. I guess if I don't find myself responding to Lipo 6, I'll probably end up trying Atro-Phex or AC but we'll see what happens.

[TD62]

So can someone please tell me, alot of thermos and fat burners say not to combine them with other forms of caffeine. Is there one out their that doesn't have this issue because i am planning on taking Armageddon (NO/Creatine) but it does have caffeine so.. . .

[dsade]

So can someone please tell me, alot of thermos and fat burners say not to combine them with other forms of caffeine. Is there one out their that doesn't have this issue because i am planning on taking Armageddon (NO/Creatine) but it does have caffeine so.. . .

Any of the non-stim fat burners mentioned in this thread would be good.

[SwollMD]

I liked Lipo 6, even after they took Ephedra out of it. BSN Atrophex worked best for concentration at work rather than energy at the gym. SAN Tight kept me up for 2 days straight the first time I tried it, so yeah it works. Venom Hyperdrive I have only tried once, but it seemed pretty good. There are so damn many anymore!

[TD62]

dsade i've read about a few but which one or ones do u recommend for best results?

[dsade]

dsade i've read about a few but which one or ones do u recommend for best results?

Hard to be neutral...of course I would recommend DCP...but any of the TTA based burners are good. SesaThin is good. Definitely get some Fish oil, and look into adding Green tea caps.

Thyrotabs from Gaspari also seem to get good reviews.

[LoraJR72]

I've been using a Tight EM and Xpel combo for the past few days. TightEM elevates my mood and curbs my appetite during the day and evening, while the Xpel gives me an extra "boost". Wow! I don't think I can remember working harder on strength training! I got some defintion in my arms. And my endurance during cardio has increased but I have strong legs anyway. I was thinking of using Atro-Plex but I wanted to give these two a try. I'll keep you posted.

[cruz_control06]

I have been using Lipo 6X for about a week with a 5 day per week workout regime and have managed to decrease my body fat percentage one percent (1%) in just 7 days. I only workout about 2 hours a day and most of that is cardio. So this stuff works good. I havent tried anything else, really dont need to.

You will have to **** within 3 hours of taking it though, must be the mineral oil it contains. But overall that is the only side effect.

[ab-swing asianbabe]

A friendly heads up that there is an opportunity open for forum members to test the following fat burning stack:


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More information/application here: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=5919151

[Pah-aqua]

Hydroxycut hardcore unfortunatly has worked the best 17lbs in a month

[mopar95neon]

Hidroxycut <-- spelling?

[BBulldawg]

I tried a new thermogenic called C-4 yesterday and have to say I am so surprised at my energy and endurance level. I didn?t feel much at first but then a few minutes into my cardio, I felt great and was able to stay at it much longer than normal.

[EvSer]

I tried hydroxycut and I found it did pretty much nothing. I also tried lipo 6 and i can't say it did much more. I've been planning on trying lipo 6x with some creatine over my winter break. I have a month and a half off wanna see if i can get in better shape.

[dcurran15]

i have used lipo-6 in the past. worked well in combo with a strict cardio plan. would recommend this product

[Hartenbower34]

I've used Lipo6, liked it a lot. Right now, I'm using Ripped Fuel 5x. I've taken it before and I'm actually not sure how well it works.

[Stopwatshiet]

proper diet+exercise









O SNAP I JUST DIDNT@!

[wakeboarder11]

Ok guys I know this is my first post but im ready to give my personal review on 2 products.

First, lets start off with describing me before I say what worked the best. I wrestled for 4 years in highschool and graduated in 07. I did fairly well and made it to state even though i didnt end up placing here in california. Im 6'2, fairly built, and weighed 220 lbs as of 2 weeks ago.

I read through pretty much half of this thread to decide what fat burner to buy and i decided that most of everybody likes either Venom Hyperdrive 3.0 or Hydroxycut Hardcore. Lucky for you, ive now tried both of them and am ready to give my review on them.

About exactly a year ago i had to loose weight before wrestling season so that i could make my weight class. This was the first diet pill i used and it was Hydroxycut hardcore. Now, when i started taking it, even for my big size it gave me the jitters and i felt sick to my stomach the first week i used it. For me, the large dose of caffiene didnt really seem to give me energy but deplete my body of it. Its hard to describe, but i felt tired all day probably because my body was in overdrive trying to burn fat or something but i cant really explain it. When wrestling season started, i found that i had to stop taking it due to the high intensity practices my body couldnt handle the stress from the pill and the workouts and i was very tired in practice. It was very hard for me to stick to the diet and the pill and practice before season started, but if you have will power you can do it. Also, my bench did go up about 20 lbs while i was taking it and other excersizes did go up as well so i definatly wasnt loosing muscle while i was dieting. Despite this review, i must say that hydroxycut did design an excellent product. When i stopped taking it, i finished the bottle and lost approximately 20 lbs in a little over a month which is great. I ended up weighing about 195lbs at the end.

Now for my Venom Hyperdrive 3.0 review. I decided that i would try out venom hyperdrive this time around. I weighed 220 lbs as of 2 weeks ago and now I weigh about 212 lbs. I have to say that I absolutely LOVE this pill. Theres something about it to where i dont feel hungry AT ALL during the day, so i basically tell my self when to eat. I dont feel drained at all and i started out with the full dose on the first day and while i dont feel "wired" i do feel A BIT energized despite my decreased calorie intake. I dont get jitters at all and i really do think that this is how a diet pill should be. Its had amazing results in these 1 and a half to 2 weeks and i am definatly gonna stay on this untill i finish the bottle. I am working out about 4 times a week and am coaching my old highschool in wrestling so that makes up for my cardio. One thing with this though, be sure to drink alot of water because i dont feel as thirsty either for some reason so i am forcing myself to drink water whenever i can.

Overall, I would reccommend the Venom Hyperdrive 3.0 over the Hydroxycut Hardcore for the reasons listed above. I hope some of you could find this review useful.

-Tyler

[hjayss]

I tried Animal Cuts, wasn't happy with the result (what results). Started taken S.A.N. TIGHT ... MAN!!! I sit in an A/C room and just sitting there sweating.

Who is that by. Sounds like a solid product I liked the cuts it worked well when I was cutting got all the way down to 208 from 234..well it helped me at least my diet was pretty strict..not gonna give them all the credit...I busted my ass for 6 months...

[rott69]

enlighten me on these: black china labs or designer supp.? I need to cut down midsection fat asap, diet is in check.

[Lift247]

I just started taking SubQ from Fusion, 3 days ago. I can tell I like it already. My previous experience in fat burners include: redline (liquid), stacker2 w/ & w/o ephedra, xenedrine w/ & w/o ephedra, and now SubQ. I've only been back in the life for 5 months now with a weight loss of only 10 pounds. I thought it was time to get back in the fat burner market. After visiting the supp shop and researching online, I selected SubQ; mainly because of the amino acids that are included. Anyways, I know it has only been 3 days since I've been on the stuff, but I can tell my body is reacting to it. I can't believe I get the same rush almost on the same level as I did with ephedra but without the fuzzy feeling. It does take longer for the rush to kick in though, about 1.5 hour.

I have read from users and mfg that this product should not alter sleeping habits, but it has for me. But take this with a grain of salt. I can stay up all night with no problem with one cup of coffee as well.

[TD62]

best non-caffeine based burner?

[Juan+Lujan]

I just stop taking V12, prior to that i was taking no-explode but need to loose the belly. anyone have any advice on what burner to take that has the same kind of workout energy as the no explode? or should I take a burner with another supplement?

[KmuL]

I just stop taking V12, prior to that i was taking no-explode but need to loose the belly. anyone have any advice on what burner to take that has the same kind of workout energy as the no explode? or should I take a burner with another supplement?

I take VPX NO Shotgun PWO, and take Stacker3 XPLC(feels like ECA) a few hours post, this has helped with the energy.....also you could try Red-Line, seems to work well too(not a rep, just love their products)
Cheers and Happy Holidays
Kenny

[gbuzzz]

I am currently taking 'iSatori Lean System 7' and, after 1.5 weeks, I'm VERY happy with the results. The effect that it has on my energy levels and stamina is fantastic and not so noticeable that you are crawling up the walls.
The company is quick to outline possible side effects, but i found that as long as you keep your water intake up, and have good quality proteins throughout the day; the side effects are minimal if any. I can actually see the shape of my body changing- purely because the pills have given me that extra bit of stamina to run and work out for longer....and HARDER!!!

I've only been on it for a little while, but i'll keep everyone updated once i'm done.

I have just ordered iSatori MX LS7 - will review once i start taking them.
Have tried Hydroxycut Hardcore - body temp increased, assisted in fat/water loss
Have tried MHP TakeOff - Not as effective (i think i prefer the liquid caps as opposed to the powdered ones)

[slammedbowtie]

im either going with nutrex lipo6x or map arson

[NEVERTAPOUT78]

But the trick is no fat burner will not work unless you eat right. I use allot of around the house burners like pepper and drinking allot of ice water. But I do take CLA.

[GSOT]

The supplement shop i go to does not have a great variety of fat burners, and my debit card is messed up at the moment so i cant order online. So i have a choice between Animal Cuts and HOT-ROX Extreme. Which one would you guys suggest....or stack em both lol

[saiyenx]

rapidcuts

[mcpieps]

i hear cardio can burn muscle, does this idea hold any water?

[Richard2002]

Lipo6

[jaycat40]

on lipo 6 right now it seems 2 be cutting me up quite a bit, i take it in the morning before i run then again in the after noon 2 hours after lunch pretty good energy supplement.

p.s. you still have to eat right!! DUH!

[Malachai]

[QUOTE=jaycat40;113265751]on lipo 6 right now it seems 2 be cutting me up quite a bit, i take it in the morning before i run then again in the after noon 2 hours after lunch pretty good energy supplement.

p.s. you still have to eat right!! DUH![/QUOTE

Well Lipo6 did not work for me. I take 2 in the morning when I go to work since I do a lot of walking and running around work. On the way home I take other 2 but by that time I'm so tired that the pills put me to sleep.

I remember taking StimX version 2 .... now that had a big kick when working out and running. I gues lipo6 is not strong for me any more since my body got used to it.

What other brand had a good kick plus also supress your hunger...

[jaycat40]

i hear cardio can burn muscle, does this idea hold any water?

yes try to keep your cardio between 20-30 mins and if you have a heart rate monitor keep it in your target TARGET HEART RATE ZONE which i think is like 50%-60% or your maximum heart rate...treadmills usually have that **** right on them...you dont want to kill yourself during cardio..you should be able to talk to someone while doing it

[DerekSPL]

I don't have much bodyfat but I just want to burn some off of my lower abs that I have never been able to get rid of in my whole life. I am very lean everywhere else.

Problem is - I don't want an appetite suppressant and I don't want to lose muscle. Is this possible?

I was considering CE3 Hi-Def because they claim it is the perfect mix of muscle building supps and thermogenic.

I am also considering Lipo 6 (or 6x), Amphetalean, and Tetrazene ES-50. I havent seen much discussion about Tetrazene, any thoughts?

[1N0X1]

I got a question. I heard if you take these fat burning pills, whether they be T3, clen, ECA, or even hydroxycut, that they will permanently affect your metabolism. This is due to the decreased need of naturally produced hormones that regulate metabolism, which then continues in the body long after you stop using the dietary supplement. For example

before pills:
10 cakes = 20000 calories = 20 pounds gained

during pills
10 cakes = 20000 calories -.20(20000) = 16 pounds gained
(Now the body reacts by inhibiting 20 percent of naturally released metabolism regulating hormones)

after pills
10 cakes = 1.2(20000) calories = 24 pounds gained, a permanent effect.

I think it's a load of baloney. But I'm just looking for someone to either give me advice on this or point me in the right direction.

[jench]

Why not try HIIT?

[Malachai]

If you guys don't mind me asking but what pills are good to take before working out to burn bf and have a nice big kick of energy...

[d34dlift]

al/clen buterol

[solar06]

Hey everyone, Im looking for a good ECA Stack for my girlfriends 2 off weeks from her albuterol/t3 cycle. anyone have any thoughts on "Sports One's Real Deal ECA-Stack" or "Hi-Tech's ECA Xtreme" ?

[BattousaiX]

Stacker 2, no doubt in my mind. Take with aspirin, hell, take it with 2 aspirins and you feel like you just smoked crack. Heart races like a mofo, works great!

ABO

LMFAO!!

[cappym]

Venom Hyperdrive 3.0

The first time I took it, I was blown away. Ephedrine HCl just got to the point where you needed to show ID for purchases and I wasn't going to do that. The first day, despite my last dosage being at noon, I was up until 1:30 am. The amazing thing was that I was up at 5:30 am, feeling like I got a full night's rest. This continued for about two weeks until even three doses a day was not enough and finally, my sleep went back to normal.

The appetite suppressant is huge here. You have to force yourself to eat because if you're to rely on your gut, you won't be eating much. It is good if you have a structured day but once I went about 15 hours without food when I was going activities with friends and stuff. Not good.

The downside is that you need to be chugging water. If you don't, you will get excruciating headaches that take days to recover from. So keep a water bottle next to you at all times. Seriously.

This is my favorite.


I first started taking hydroxycut hardcore but eventually I felt my body got used to it and I also hated taking 6 pills a day. I then tried Lipo 6 but that only lasted for two weeks because I wasn't feeling as if it was helping. I then talked to the guy behind the juice bar at the gym and he suggested Venom Hyperdrive and what really sold me was you only had to take two pills a day right after you eat breakfast. Just like KeepItSmoothBro has stated, it works very well; I have noticed the best results from it, especially when I felt as if I hit a plateau. Also, when he mentioned being able to go 15 hours without feeling hungry, is not an exaggeration; you have to remember to eat because the appettite surpressant works that well. Lastly the headaches do occur so make sure you drink ALOT of water and don't forget to eat. I am now off hyperdrive and tried stimulant X because I wanted to try something new and test other stuff but it didn't compare at all. The last fat burner I am going to try before going back to hyperdrive is Leviathan Reloaded and once I receive my order and have tried it for a few weeks, I will post how I like it.

[Malachai]

I first started taking hydroxycut hardcore but eventually I felt my body got used to it and I also hated taking 6 pills a day. I then tried Lipo 6 but that only lasted for two weeks because I wasn't feeling as if it was helping. I then talked to the guy behind the juice bar at the gym and he suggested Venom Hyperdrive and what really sold me was you only had to take two pills a day right after you eat breakfast. Just like KeepItSmoothBro has stated, it works very well; I have noticed the best results from it, especially when I felt as if I hit a plateau. Also, when he mentioned being able to go 15 hours without feeling hungry, is not an exaggeration; you have to remember to eat because the appettite surpressant works that well. Lastly the headaches do occur so make sure you drink ALOT of water and don't forget to eat. I am now off hyperdrive and tried stimulant X because I wanted to try something new and test other stuff but it didn't compare at all. The last fat burner I am going to try before going back to hyperdrive is Leviathan Reloaded and once I receive my order and have tried it for a few weeks, I will post how I like it.


Hey Bro,

I had the same problem with Lipo6 it only worked for me for 2 weeks. My body got use to it.. I would fall asleep after 15 minutes taking it. Since you tried Venom Hyperdrive did that work for you? did you get any side effect from it. I'm looking for a new one. I use to take StimX that was very strong the second version.... I haven't tried the new one yet but I'm interested in Venom Hyperdrive and see if that helps me on my work out.

How was the enegry on that? Did it last a long time like the hunger.
Let me know that way I could look into it.

Malachai

[TanaGabrielle]

For all you hardcore guys....this stuff is your ticket. For me, it was a ticket to hell. WAY too strong for me. Seriously...if you want to be JACKED ALL DAY, this would be the product to use. I only took 1 pill, and felt like I had done methamphetamine! And water-- you better drink at least a gallon a day. This stuff had me feeling unquenched with a dry mouth no matter how much I drank.
NOT for the stimulant sensitive....
Proceed with caution!

[Malachai]

So far Venom Hyperdrive sounds like my kind of pill. I need something that will keep me pump up at work plus also when I get home I'm able to work out and sweat all this BF away...

[USAviator]

So I have never used a fat burner before. What would everyone suggest for me (no hydroxycut hardcore)

Scorch?? Venom??

[cappym]

I would definitly suggest starting with hyperdrive. I found the energy to last for awhile and like I've said before you barely have an appetitte and make sure you drink TONS of water. Hydroxycut Hardcore is alright and not a bad starter but I would just go with venom hyperdrive it works great. Also its not that expensive ($40 a bottle of 90 pills) compared to hydroxycut hardcore ($80 a bottle for 210) however you only take 2 hyperdrive pills a day compared to 6 hardcore pills. Lastly you take the pills after you eat breakfast and once a day.

[DanMan89]

i just got some trimspa it curbs my appitite good but reviews dont sound good. thginkn bout something else. after i finish ill post a review.

[Malachai]

I would definitly suggest starting with hyperdrive. I found the energy to last for awhile and like I've said before you barely have an appetitte and make sure you drink TONS of water. Hydroxycut Hardcore is alright and not a bad starter but I would just go with venom hyperdrive it works great. Also its not that expensive ($40 a bottle of 90 pills) compared to hydroxycut hardcore ($80 a bottle for 210) however you only take 2 hyperdrive pills a day compared to 6 hardcore pills. Lastly you take the pills after you eat breakfast and once a day.



I think tomorrow I will see if i could get me a bottle of hyperdrive. Maybe I will read more about it just in case there is any kind of side effect or anything like that...

Thanks for the post.

[CableRow Rachel]

My favorite is S.A.N. Tight. You only take 1 a day and it gives me bursts of energy all day long. I also don't get that awful jittery feeling which is always a plus.

[shukla714]

palo alto leviathan

[ocdrummer21]

i saw amazing results with lypo 6

[FitIron]

If you had to pick just ONE ephedra-free fat burning product, what would be the best one?

Please pick product and include the brand. Give your reasons. The best answers will be displayed on the main Bodybuilding.com site for millions of people to see!

(Note: This is not a discussion about how or when to take fat burners, if you should take fat burners, or why some fat burners are NOT good. Just list your absolute favorite fat burning product and give your detailed reason.)

I have tried and used Hydroxycut Hardcore & Lipo6 both with very little success. Plus other worthless crap...

The two I have used that have been the most effective by far are

Fusions Bodybuildings SUB-Q...
http://www.fusionbodybuilding.com/subq/

AND

Scivations Dialene 4
http://www.scivation.com/scivation_dialene.htm

[lymbo]

A few years back would say Xenadrine & Taraxatone. Anyone Natural who was some one used this stack! Don't know what the hell happened to Xenadrine but Taraxatone still helps for the moment! I currently Cycle Tetrazene Extreme or Cytolean both kick ass! For you girls its important to Cycle a performance thermogenic 5 to 6 weeks with 2 or 3 weeks off! Remember we are what we eat. Spread them calories out ! Thermogenic's just help sharpen the pencil ! Keep up on Glutamine, Acetyl L-Carnitine, Omega 3, Isolate CFM clean protein!. Jack and the Beanstalk magic pill's only exist in a fairy Tail ! Lymbo

[FitIron]

A few years back would say Xenadrine & Taraxatone. Anyone Natural who was some one used this stack! Don't know what the hell happened to Xenadrine but Taraxatone still helps for the moment! I currently Cycle Tetrazene Extreme or Cytolean both kick ass! For you girls its important to Cycle a performance thermogenic 5 to 6 weeks with 2 or 3 weeks off! Remember we are what we eat. Spread them calories out ! Thermogenic's just help sharpen the pencil ! Keep up on Glutamine, Acetyl L-Carnitine, Omega 3, Isolate CFM clean protein!. Jack and the Beanstalk magic pill's only exist in a fairy Tail ! Lymbo

Not too long ago the FTC sued Xenadrine, ( and Cytodyne ) along with the makers of TrimSpa for fraudulant claims.
Both claimed that their diet pills would help people lose weight without dieting and exercise.

The complaint names Robert Chinery, Jr., Tracy Chinery, and their company, RTC Research & Development, LLC, alleging that the New Jersey-based Chinery defendants made false and unsubstantiated claims for Xenadrine EFX, including that it was clinically proven to cause rapid and substantial weight loss and clinically proven to be more effective than leading ephedrine-based diet products.

According to the complaint, Robert Chinery commissioned several studies of Xenadrine EFX, none of which showed substantial weight loss. The complaint alleges that in one of these studies, subjects taking Xenadrine EFX lost an average of only 1.5 pounds over the 10-week study, while a control group taking a placebo lost an average of 2.5 pounds over the same period.

For awhile I think both pills were off the shelf, but may be back on now since they've made certain restitutions and changed their advertising claims...

[lymbo]

Interesting! I doubt any one on here could comprehend that any way or even know who or what the FTC is! Lets not forget they think taking 75 grams of sugar out of a 100gr serving (CELL TECH) they will gain 40 lbs in a month and that's not false or an unsubstantiated claim? But thanks for the clarification. AND know one today makes outlandish wt lose & size gain claims? In fact its more absurd today then it was then ! Cytodyne's law suits ! Lawyers don't eat at soup kitchens. They wouldn't even blink at most supplement companies today! What would they get! Most wells are dry my friend! Open any top fitness mag! These guy's spend all there money erecting a condos at the Arnold with 45 undressed circus clowns! Lets not compare most of this industries tract record to the likes of Mr. Chinery! Not to for get his Brother started Cybergenics in the late 80's which was 20 years ahead of its time..Most of today's bath tub formulators make supplement moon shine with Jack and the Beanstalk fantasy claim's. I know I'm a girl but Iv been around this industry for long time. I'm very well read . I'm here to give a girls point of view on a male dominate forum. I hope you girls understood my first post! Eat good Try Cytolean or Tetrazene for added help!
I'm done with this matter. If you have a supplement question I'd love to help you if I can!

[Malachai]

Hello all,

I was thinking of taking Venom 3.0... I wanted to get some feedback on what you guys thought about it. Here's the one I was thinking about.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/****/hyper.html

What I need is a pill that will give me a good kick of engery, plus also supress my hunger... Let me know what you guys think about it ok.

[lymbo]

Hello all,

I was thinking of taking Venom 3.0... I wanted to get some feedback on what you guys thought about it. Here's the one I was thinking about.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/****/hyper.html

What I need is a pill that will give me a good kick of engery, plus also supress my hunger... Let me know what you guys think about it ok.

Why not try Venom 3.0 ? It got your attention some how! you said suppress your hunger ? You need to eat! If you can discipline your self to eat small meals like 5 to 6 a day you will see in time your so sick of eating by 6 /7pm you won't be hungry at night. ...Lymbo

[camicon]

I've been on the Meltdown and Vaporize for about a week and thus far I'm a fan!

[uhockey]

A chance to experience the future:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=6673411

[cubear]

Actually, I bought a bottle of ephadra pills a few weeks back because it was all hyped up about them being banned on April 12.

What I found was that the fat-burners I had been taking before that - Stacker 2 - worked much more effectively. You can feel these working within 15 minutes of taking them.

Definitely when I finish this Ephedra bottle off, I am going straight back to the Stacker 2s.

I used to get what many call false energy from the ephedra that I used to take. Does this Stacker 2s give you the same energy?

[CALLofDUTY]

EAS thermo dynamax. It is fairly natural compared to others too.

[healthnut008]

I am trying Musclewerks DFine 8. So far this is very good at helping me lean up and control my hunger. This product seems to be doing what they say it will do.
Its hard to find and I have not heard any one talking about it.


I've started using DFINE8 as well and it seems to be the most effective fat burner that I have tried so far. It also has a good energy kick! It is pretty hard to find though, but I ended up calling their 800 number (18007307703) and they located a store near me within minutes. Hope this helps.

[Malachai]

Ok guys I know this is my first post but im ready to give my personal review on 2 products.

First, lets start off with describing me before I say what worked the best. I wrestled for 4 years in highschool and graduated in 07. I did fairly well and made it to state even though i didnt end up placing here in california. Im 6'2, fairly built, and weighed 220 lbs as of 2 weeks ago.

I read through pretty much half of this thread to decide what fat burner to buy and i decided that most of everybody likes either Venom Hyperdrive 3.0 or Hydroxycut Hardcore. Lucky for you, ive now tried both of them and am ready to give my review on them.

About exactly a year ago i had to loose weight before wrestling season so that i could make my weight class. This was the first diet pill i used and it was Hydroxycut hardcore. Now, when i started taking it, even for my big size it gave me the jitters and i felt sick to my stomach the first week i used it. For me, the large dose of caffiene didnt really seem to give me energy but deplete my body of it. Its hard to describe, but i felt tired all day probably because my body was in overdrive trying to burn fat or something but i cant really explain it. When wrestling season started, i found that i had to stop taking it due to the high intensity practices my body couldnt handle the stress from the pill and the workouts and i was very tired in practice. It was very hard for me to stick to the diet and the pill and practice before season started, but if you have will power you can do it. Also, my bench did go up about 20 lbs while i was taking it and other excersizes did go up as well so i definatly wasnt loosing muscle while i was dieting. Despite this review, i must say that hydroxycut did design an excellent product. When i stopped taking it, i finished the bottle and lost approximately 20 lbs in a little over a month which is great. I ended up weighing about 195lbs at the end.

Now for my Venom Hyperdrive 3.0 review. I decided that i would try out venom hyperdrive this time around. I weighed 220 lbs as of 2 weeks ago and now I weigh about 212 lbs. I have to say that I absolutely LOVE this pill. Theres something about it to where i dont feel hungry AT ALL during the day, so i basically tell my self when to eat. I dont feel drained at all and i started out with the full dose on the first day and while i dont feel "wired" i do feel A BIT energized despite my decreased calorie intake. I dont get jitters at all and i really do think that this is how a diet pill should be. Its had amazing results in these 1 and a half to 2 weeks and i am definatly gonna stay on this untill i finish the bottle. I am working out about 4 times a week and am coaching my old highschool in wrestling so that makes up for my cardio. One thing with this though, be sure to drink alot of water because i dont feel as thirsty either for some reason so i am forcing myself to drink water whenever i can.

Overall, I would reccommend the Venom Hyperdrive 3.0 over the Hydroxycut Hardcore for the reasons listed above. I hope some of you could find this review useful.

-Tyler



Thank you for posting this. Tonight I'm going to order my Venom Hyperdrive 3.0 . it took me a least 1 week to really think about it. Hopefully this helps me out on my goal that I have for myself.

Good post!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[hellpatrol]

I have tried a few fat burners, hydroxycut hardcore, cytolean, redline, and somethin that was in a green n black capsule lyposomethin that had 300 mgs of caffeine. Cyotlean made me feel the best, and was the best at reducing cravings, but in my opinion, caffeine sucks, cuz eventually you have to stop taking it, and those first 2 weeks cold turkey are a b*tch. the best results i have seen thus far have been from Tonalin CLA, as with all "supplements" you need to have your diet in check, and a proper exercise regimen, which i did, and i had lost weight, but i had kinda stalled in my fat loss progress, i was down to 210, and could start to see my upper abdominals, i know i was using creatine at the time so there was some water retention, but i didnt wnt sacrifice muscle gain by eating less, so i tried CLA, and i felt it worked great. i lost more fat and was still gaining muscle, i dropped down to 200 and could see most of my abs, for the first time in my life. in the time i was using CLA i went back up to 205 and still had the same amount of definition in my abs, and was starting to see more defintion elsewhere, such as striations in my shoulders, visible back muscles. i have since ran out of CLA and noticed my progress stopped likewise, so im on my way to buy another bottle, I think any CLA should work good, but FYI in used vitamin shoppe brand, as its the cheapest there and i get 25% off cuz i work there.

[surferbuild]

Anybody guys try topical fat loss products for hard to get spots like the stomach?

[MASSter]

Anybody guys try topical fat loss products for hard to get spots like the stomach?
I have always been under the impression that you could not spot treat fat but have heard some people give great reviews for Napalm.

[packetman]

Spot reduction doesn't work. period. Well, spot reduction does spot reduce money from your wallet.

What works is, cutting crap our of your diet. Reduce the calories you eat and increase the calories you burn.

I lost 75 pounds in 6 months. I have tried tons of supplements. I would recommend the following 2 in the order that I think they work:

1. Lipo 6
2. Sans Tight

You can't live on these things. They will loose the effectiveness.

[-Aaron-]

Spot reduction doesn't work. period. Well, spot reduction does spot reduce money from your wallet.

What works is, cutting crap our of your diet. Reduce the calories you eat and increase the calories you burn.

I lost 75 pounds in 6 months. I have tried tons of supplements. I would recommend the following 2 in the order that I think they work:

1. Lipo 6
2. Sans Tight

You can't live on these things. They will loose the effectiveness.

You're wrong 200%.

[packetman]

You're wrong 200%.

Who am I to argue with someone with 12,000+ posts.

[Malachai]

Just bought my Venom Hyperdrive 3.0 we will see how that works for me. Read some good things about it. Will start out with 1 pill since it's a strong suppelement.

[stoopid]

I have tried and used Hydroxycut Hardcore & Lipo6 both with very little success. Plus other worthless crap...

The two I have used that have been the most effective by far are

Fusions Bodybuildings SUB-Q...
http://www.fusionbodybuilding.com/subq/

AND

Scivations Dialene 4
http://www.scivation.com/scivation_dialene.htm

After looking at your sig it looks like you're just adverting some crap for your own gain while trashing the 2 most popular fat burners.

[-J.HiZ-]

You're wrong 200%.

could you explain?

[djaeger3]

Super Ultra crazy fat burning stack!

I have these at my disposal, I spent a bit of money obviously and I DO NOT want them to go to waste by fuc*ing up the dosage or having them be malabsorbed by bad food timing. Help me dose these out:

DCP
Lean Xtreme
Thryotabs
Fish oils
ZMA
SAN Tight / or Xenadrine Hardcore (Which would you use)

Also, since I am on a low carb diet I may run a T-booster as well, at my disposal I have Arom-X by AMS and Xtest by Xyience. Thoughts?

Much appreciated and reps!

[mike1218]

I have to go with Ultimate Orange. even though I wasnt around when the original was legal the newer version is still pretty intense

[WarJuggernaut]

I took half a 25mg of Epedrine and half a 200mg Caffiene and omfg!

That was 4 hours ago! And DAMNNNN! No wonder it was taken off the market... this **** is intense....

Im in love.


EC stack > Lipo6, Hydroxycut, Venom, Tight

Pretty much

EC Stack > ALL

[jeremyleinen]

I'm currently running Leviathan Reloaded with DCP, Lean Xtreme, Sesamin, Napalm, Incarnate, and additional Yohimbe and Green Tea Extract.

I'm seeing pretty good results. I'd suggest it to anyone looking to burn fat and hang onto muscle.

[KmuL]

I'm currently running Leviathan Reloaded with DCP, Lean Xtreme, Sesamin, Napalm, Incarnate, and additional Yohimbe and Green Tea Extract.

I'm seeing pretty good results. I'd suggest it to anyone looking to burn fat and hang onto muscle.

Sounds like a 2nd mortgage!

[Permeithal]

Conjugated Linoleic Acid worked best for me, I was already skinny, but it helps with that other few pounds, and with muscle building.

My favorite overall product.

Natrol(c) Tonalin(R) CLA


Of course, some things depend on your genetics and what you need triggered.

[dsade]

Sounds like a 2nd mortgage!
hard to put a price on results.

[djaeger3]

I'm currently running Leviathan Reloaded with DCP, Lean Xtreme, Sesamin, Napalm, Incarnate, and additional Yohimbe and Green Tea Extract.

I'm seeing pretty good results. I'd suggest it to anyone looking to burn fat and hang onto muscle.

I'm gonna compete with that..
My latest

Lean Xtreme
Thyrotabs
Fish oils
ZMA
SAN Tight
Arom-x
Vitamin C- to blunt cortisol.
Grapefruit extract (cheap why not)
multi

[jeremyleinen]

oh, lord, i'm not here to have a pissing match... plus the zma and additional vitamin c, animal pack, and amino acid supplements, I didn't even mention but I'm using those too...

[alvinali6]

i rotate MHP anadrox for the 7keto and API polythermex hardcore, 1 day use anadrox and one day use polythermex.

it may sound ridiculous for some, but i think it works for me.

[Cappy19]

Has anyone ever tried Nuphedragen or Orovo? ConsumerPriceWatch.Net has a listing of the top 10 diet pills.

I am not looking for any quick fix. I know eating smart, weight training and cardio is the right way. I am just looking to get more energy for training.

[SCL_Mike]

Haven't tried nor heard of either of those but if you're looking for a great fat burner try Boiling Point from Star Chem Labs. Preliminary research showed it raised resting metabolic rate higher than any of the major/big name products on a single dose. Plus it was put together by leading formulators/scientist in the supplement industry. This product will definitely get you going and when taken before a workout, you will know it's working.

[charityfwells]

I took ephedrine before it was banned so I was really worried about finding a good fat burner/energy pill that would give me the same results. I hate doing cardio so ephedrine was the only way to get me to do it. Well not only did I find results I found better results taking scorch by MAN. The best part is that instead of filling the jitters and your heart beating out of control for an hour scorch gives focus and hours of time released energy. I can do an hour of cardio at 5 in the morning (I am not a morning person) and feel amazing all day. I will never need to try another brand because scorch is everything I need!

[dh_biker]

ive been doing some research and this product got top props.
let me know what you think of it...
is it wort trying?

http://leptovox.com/

[dsade]

ive been doing some research and this product got top props.
let me know what you think of it...
is it wort trying?

http://leptovox.com/

Doesn't look like it.

Strong second post, though.

[dh_biker]

thanks

what would you recommend

im looking to lose a little weight but still keep my muscle (seeing as i dont have a whole lot of it)

[RMZ]

Conjugated Linoleic Acid worked best for me, I was already skinny, but it helps with that other few pounds, and with muscle building.

My favorite overall product.

Natrol(c) Tonalin(R) CLA


Of course, some things depend on your genetics and what you need triggered.


I take Censor from GNC it is a combo of CLA, ALA, GLA, and Omega 3,6,9. I use it year round and take every day with a multi-vit.

[srodge@hotmail.]

Im very fat, what should i do. I can't see my dick.

grow a bigger dick LOL

[Qiez]

lipo6 vs lipo6x anything different besides the price?

[littlebigswole]

honestly "ripped fuel extreme fatburner" is over looked do to twinlabs reputation and its price, but ive lost a great amount i have before and after pictures, before ripped fuel i was taking dren, but after a month nothing, so i took the ripped fuel with my diet and cardio, nothing changed except the pill, and the ripped fuel is actually living up to its name, anyone having a problem with all the name brand junk out there try it ive never found one that works except now

[simply.sweet]

What would you reccomend between Hydroxycut Hardcore VS Lipo 6??
Would i be able to take them toghether?
Are there really any good fat burner??

[Logical95]

I have seen the best results with MAN Scorch.....

[jwkoldan]

my vote goes to lipo 6! But no fat burner is going to help if your sitting on your ass and not eating right. eating right and staying active are far more important than deciding what fat-burner to take. lipo-6 has worked great for me.

[simply.sweet]

my vote goes to lipo 6! But no fat burner is going to help if your sitting on your ass and not eating right. eating right and staying active are far more important than deciding what fat-burner to take. lipo-6 has worked great for me.


I dont sit on my ass and eat junk food i work out daily and eat healthy my body is just at the point right now where it needs a little boost.


THANKS EVERYONE FOR THE ADDITIONAL IMPUT YOU HAVE GIVEN I REALLY APPRECIATE IT

[0nep0int8turb0]

meltdown by vpx!!
i just HAD to say it.
you gotta try it for yourself....

[sandow21]

Amp is my favorite but has anyone tried Amp 2?

[Zink3535]

I think its tough to judge the effectivness of "Fat Burners". Hopefully the people taking them are serious about losing fat, and are therefore eating right and doing a few hours of cardio a week. I have taken redline in the past and I think that it helped. I just ordered some Lipo 6, and I am looking forward to seeing the results. If anyone has some other reviews of Lipo 6 I would love to hear them. I plan on posting my results later. Thanks

[kingnamo]

What about SuperCuts 3 by Universal Nutrition? Has anyone used SuperCuts3? Any insights about this? I am also using it together with CLA. Can anyone tell me if it is ok with use the 2 at once and will there be any side effects?I am only on my 3rd day on using the 2 at the same time.

[hjayss]

What about SuperCuts 3 by Universal Nutrition? Has anyone used SuperCuts3? Any insights about this? I am also using it together with CLA. Can anyone tell me if it is ok with use the 2 at once and will there be any side effects?I am only on my 3rd day on using the 2 at the same time.

works good...ripped fast by universal is good and animal cuts is the better of the three..

[triplehfan]

don't kno if it's already been mentioned or not, as there are over 1000 posts and i ain't readin thru them all lol, but i've just started using sida cordifolia instead of the normal fat burners and it seems to be pretty good!

i have trouble losin the fat on my abs itself but my obliques are always prominent (screwed up i know) but my obliques already look sharper so it's gotta be a good sign. i'm actually quietly confident i might see some abs this year lol

anyhow i found eas' diet capsules to be pretty good, hydroxycut burned too much muscle tissue, and thermobol (maximuscle) were ok but not as good as the eas product. CLA a definite but then you guys already kno that!

oh this particular sida is the reflex version i'm usin, and the GNC rep told me that while it used to have ephedra in it this is now just as potent but without the ephedra.

[kingnamo]

works good...ripped fast by universal is good and animal cuts is the better of the three..

Thanks man. i was looking for Animal Cuts here in Singapore but unfortunately its not available here. So i did my research and found out that Supercuts3 is the 2nd top selling stimulant free fat burner according to BB.com. Bec of these I decided to try for myself.

I tried Hydroxycut by Muscletech before. The results were good. I felt the increase in my core temperature. Even on my sleep I can even feel it working. There were a lot of sleepless nights during my 1st 2weeks of using the product. Not because of the caffeine on it but because I really feel the increase in my temp and also because I am sweating like as if Im still working out. On my second month in using Hydroxycut I noticed that I am having headaches more often. Sometimes the headaches were so untolerable that i even absent myself from work. And then i read this article about cycling thermogenics. It says that one of the signs that you already need to cycle your thermogenics is when your head is already hurting. The article said that one of the causes of these headaches is because the thyroid is already burned out(please correct me if im wrong. i forgot if it really is the thyroid or some other gland in the body).

That is why i end up using CLA by NOW bec it doesnt need cycling. I am also experimenting with Supercuts3 to see if its really just my body who doesnt handle thermogenics that well.

By the way, I give Hydroxycut 7 out of 10. :)

[JJONES21884]

MuscleTech Hydroxycut regular one not the hardcore i tried that and it made me feel not to good i seen the regular hydroxycut going for 20 dollars in walmart last night have anybody used it

[aeroguy]

I tried Animal Cuts and didn't really see results from it. My diet and cardio is in check. I've been reading the posts in this tread and narrowed down to trying either MAN Scortch, Venom Hyperdrive, or SAN Tight. I wouldn't mind trying all of them, but I'm on a college budget.

Any suggestions?

[Wolv4Life]

I'm 5'11, 160 lbs. Need to lose at least 10 lbs of fat around the midriff, Is Lipo 6 good for me ? any sideeffects ?

[finger11]

I'm 5'11, 160 lbs. Need to lose at least 10 lbs of fat around the midriff, Is Lipo 6 good for me ? any sideeffects ?

Kinda in the same boat as you... and more importantly the difference between lipo 6 and lipo 6x?

[ScottMcDWVU]

My favorite is high dose green tea extract. Make sure you are getting it from a reputable source like TP or someone else you trust that won't sell you 1/2 dosage materials.

[Buddah]

i like San TIGHT , i got great results , but only when i cut carbs significantly

i also tried Venom too, the one with ephedra and i found it to be too intense, and i can drink ecsresso like water

my choices are

San TIGHT
Lipo 6 (not "x")
Jet Fuel

Use any while "cutting" as in carbs and increase cardio 15 mins over your average, you'll see results

[Adiaz360]

What does everyone think of Atro-phex? has anyone else take it? What are your thoughts on other BSN products like N-O Xplode. I'm currently on my 3rd box of Atrophex but I don't know if I'm just wasting my time. I DO love that it curbs my appetite, and keeps me really focused. I'm in the US Coast Guard working 12 -14 hour shifts so it works for me. Don't know know that its actually making me as "defined" as it says it does.

[NEXTLEVEL]

Any really good fat-loss supplements out there that do not have that jittery or stimulant feel to them?

[Sldge]

Any really good fat-loss supplements out there that do not have that jittery or stimulant feel to them?

Non stim= Lean Xtreme

Non jitters but plenty of energy= Adrenalean

[dsade]

Any really good fat-loss supplements out there that do not have that jittery or stimulant feel to them?

A stack of Lean Extreme and DCP would yield VERY impressive fatloss results without any jitteriness.

[effec]

What would you guys recommend to help me move down to 185 from 196. I've come all the way down from 310 and really would like to get cut before summer.

My current stack is

Animal Multi /Flex
White flood
green mag
and xtend

[FitJeff0065]

Have tried Lipo6, EFX, HotRox, Syntrax Fyre, Hydroxycut hardcore. They all worked about the same on me except HotRox which did nothing.

[Coltsfan46202]

Not sure if they're the best...they keep my appetite down on my low calorie diet....I'm 199 from 220, losing 2-3 lbs a week. But, like I said, I'm on a lower calorie diet, still getting about 1g protein per lb of weight, carb cycling, around 100g's carbs 6 days a week, tripple the carbs and double the calories one day a week to keep the body guessing, usually a multi-grain spaghetti with 96% fat free ground beef. Really clean diet.

So basically, my diet is good, I either lift and do 1/2 hour of low-intensity or interval training cardio a day, or 1-1.5 hours of low intensity or interval cardio on non lifting days....so I might lose as much without the pills....who knows...

helps with the appetite though.

[justin.crawford]

Has anyone tried Muscle Asylum Project's Arson yet??? Just looking for some feedback.

Thanks

JC

[I_R_BABOON]

I looooove AMP. Nothing curbs my hunger like it. Its my favorite next to E/C

[Sldge]

A stack of Lean Extreme and DCP would yield VERY impressive fatloss results without any jitteriness.

It sure does.

[Minns39]

Im looking at trying either CLA or AMP? Which would be a better product for fat loss, or should I use both?

[Coles_555]

How is the Man Scorch? Been talking it for about 1 week and I lost about 5 lbs so far including my diet and workouts...

[Kate~]

meltdown by vpx!!
i just HAD to say it.
you gotta try it for yourself....

I like the profile of this product. I think I am getting it...will update my thoughts on it after a week or so..

[INGENIUM]

How is the Man Scorch? Been talking it for about 1 week and I lost about 5 lbs so far including my diet and workouts...
It is an excellent product with effective ingredients that are clearly labeled. I would rank it about even with cytolean as the best stim fat burner I have used...

[abudd2388i]

Well, it seems for me alteast anyway, that whatever I take, it loses it's power soon after I start.

I've tried Lipo-6x, which was good the first week. After that, It did nothing.

Now, I'm on Animal Cuts. This is my fifth day, and the first 3 days were amazing. So much energy,so much motivation, so much pissing, my body looked so damn dry and lean. Now, it looks like I'm holding lake erie in my stomach.

I'm going to try the ECA stack next. I have no other options.

[Haver]

Has anyone ever used Hydroxycut Hardcore for a fat burner?

[Logical95]

For Stims i would go for MAN Scorch, Hydroxycut Hardcore or Meltdown.....

For non stim definately Lean Xtreme.....or just some good ol potent Green Tea Extract....

[lilly_julia]

I like amp, it did help me lose weight in the past. However I wouldn't rely on it (or any fat burner) 7 days a week.. I wasn't sleeping well (not because of the amp, because of my schedule) and I was using amp to get me through the day. Not a good idea. I was a bundle of nerves and cried at the drop of a hat. I like feeling normal better.

Has anyone else experienced this? How do you suggest using these pills wisely, as in not getting dependent on them to get through the day, or not making your tolerance to stimulants skyrocket and when you go off them, to the point where drinking 3 cups of coffee does nothing? Basically, how do you fit them in to a healthy routine without killing your adrenals?

[dsade]

You could always combine it with Reset AD, which is a pretty potent adrenal fatigue support supplement.

[spacetuna]

What I've noticed with CLA is that you don't actually lose fat but you do look much better in the mirror. It shrinks your fat cells so you appear to have lost weight while you are taking it but as soon as you stop taking it you revert back to normal. I use CLA when I know I'm going to the beach in a couple days.

[DustyCode]

I was thinking about trying Animal Cuts, i heard some positive results from it. anybody have any thoughts. I'm at about 260 right now, though im not looking for something to cut me to 185, i just want something to get me around 230.

Current Supps.

Syntha 6
NO xplode
Animal pak

[Malachai]

Hello all,

i have to say that I'm very upset on Venom 3.0.... After trying it for about 2 weeks it's a joke... I don't feel anything different plus it's not strong like most people said...

I rather try Lipo6 that has a little bit better kick... To bad that my 30 days is over if not I would of returned it.

[steadyandready]

HYRDOXYCUT HARDCORE FTW. lost 20 pounds of this stuff in 1 and 1/2 months and continued to use the remaining pills(in an on/off diet) and lost anoth 20 pounds in 4 months.

currently on the regular hydroxycut, will be back with the results within a month or two but ill keep updating.

[stonekrs]

ANIMAL CUTS! lost 9 pounds in 3 weeks.. ran 3 miles five times per week.. ate well.. wored out 5 times a week..

[venere1]

has anyone used these products? which one do you think is better? thanks for the input!

[Britkojordan]

whats the deal with thyrotabs? i know they dont sell them here anymore but are they a good way to cut?

[michaelrumsby]

Is noone trying atro phex?

I am a week into my first bottle of Lipo6, but I have used a lot of BSN products in the past so I would love to hear some feedback.

[steadyandready]

feed back on my hydroxycut,
lost 7-8 Pounds in 5 days,

diet,

4 eggs in morning or a bowl of LIFE cereal. 7:30 am

tuna sandwhich for lunch with an apple. 12:20 pm

protein bar or a cup of trail mix(peanuts and raisins, do not eat those m&ms) 3:30-4:00pm(whenever i get home from practice)

then for dinner i have 4 eggs with cheese and peppers,and 2 hamburger patties.

1 day i had a tuna sandwhich at like 8:00pm

pretty damn good

[mattlite]

has any1 tried lipodrene by hi- tech pharmeceuticals?

[venere1]

i keep hearing about amp - is this a fat burner as well as appetite suppressant? also, is it dangerous to be taking a thermogenic if you are on concerta (add medicine)?

[CKY1]

not sure if this is helpful for anyone, but i'm a pretty lien person and take fat burners to help take care of any fat that my cardio doesn't get rid of.

i'm trying to build muscle so it's a fine line i have to walk with fat burners. i've tried a few fat burners such as Xenadrine Hardcore, Ripped Fuel and Hot-Rox.

by far i have had the most success with Hot-Rox. I've been able to stay very lien with Hot-Rox, but still able to put on muscle... probably because it promotes testosterone production. also i got some mild side effects from xenadrine and ripped fuel such as headaches and acid reflux

[legendz411]

not sure if this is helpful for anyone, but i'm a pretty lien person and take fat burners to help take care of any fat that my cardio doesn't get rid of.

i'm trying to build muscle so it's a fine line i have to walk with fat burners. i've tried a few fat burners such as Xenadrine Hardcore, Ripped Fuel and Hot-Rox.

by far i have had the most success with Hot-Rox. I've been able to stay very lien with Hot-Rox, but still able to put on muscle... probably because it promotes testosterone production. also i got some mild side effects from xenadrine and ripped fuel such as headaches and acid reflux
If your pics are any idication, then sweet.

Did you go with Hot-Rox or the Extream version?

[CKY1]

thanks. i'm just using regular hot-rox right now. my buddy is using extreme and he finds it too potent

[smith06]

Ive been taking Animal Cuts. I lost 12 lbs on the first cycle.

A guy at the gym I work out in has lost 40 lbs. in 3 months. He takes MAP's Arson...but he also does a ****ton of cardio.

[lilly_julia]

I was wondering how you go about using these fat burners. Do you use them everyday, or just on workout days? Do they affect your sleeping patterns? Also, I haven't seen many women posting on this thread.. are they a bad idea for women, as in only big strong dudes can handle them?

[TD62]

has ne one tried the venom tri-lean stack I've read some good things but wanted to see if ne one is currently trying it and get some current info.

[CKY1]

lilly_julia -- from what i understand women can definitely take fatburners (probably not if you're pregnant though). in fact my girlfriend takes one Xenadrine Hardcore before she works out. she is tiny ~5'2", ~115 lbs so she limits to only one pill. i take 4 hot-rox per day... 2 in morning and 2 in evening. if i take them too close to bed i do have trouble falling asleep. otherwise i've had no side effects

[Mrs. Sledge]

I was wondering how you go about using these fat burners. Do you use them everyday, or just on workout days? Do they affect your sleeping patterns? Also, I haven't seen many women posting on this thread.. are they a bad idea for women, as in only big strong dudes can handle them?

Women (of all sizes) can definetely use fatburners. Every person is different and you should start out slowly when trying fatburners for the first time. Start with the minimum dose and work your way up to see how you react. Keep in mind that most labels suggest dosing that would be good for a 200lb man to use.

I take Adrenalean, my company's fatburner, twice a day. Once early in the morning and again in the afternoon. I am 28 year old and I weigh 138 pounds (unfortunately) and I take 3 caps two times each day. I am a person that tends to respond to supplements exactly the way that I'm supposed to.

If you take stimulating fatburners every day you will need to take a break after using them for 8 weeks or so.

To avoid problems sleeping, make sure that you take your last dose of the day 6-8 hours before bed.

[dvsness]

I was wondering how you go about using these fat burners. Do you use them everyday, or just on workout days? Do they affect your sleeping patterns? Also, I haven't seen many women posting on this thread.. are they a bad idea for women, as in only big strong dudes can handle them?

It depends on your goals at the time. While cutting I'll cycle in stimulant fat burners at the recommended dose, and offseason I may take a stim preworkout on occasion just for energy. Fatburners are typically not gender specific.

[lilly_julia]

Lots of good advice, thanks everyone. And probably only taking one would be good enough for me.. seeing as how the dosage on the bottle is appropriate for a 200 lb. man!

In the past I've used fatburners that worked right away but, I used them too much and they stressed me out! I also wasn't just using them to workout.. I was using them to study all night and then go to work at 7:30 in the morning. I'd really like to avoid that pattern of behavior, but of course I would also love to get the most benefit from my workouts. What does everyone reccomend? i've heard xenadrine and adrenalean so far. Heard lipo 6 was good and I keep seeing "animal cuts". Whats the best buy for the money? (I guess that IS what this thread is all about!)

[jebbers]

i was just checking prices at gnc and they have fat burners such as lipo 6x hers, and farenhiet which are designed for women, youd probably be better off with a fat burner for women

[lilly_julia]

yes, maybe I'll head down to GNC and try the lipo 6-hers tomorrow. I know I'm going to have to give up coffee if I'm doing a fatburner.. I simply just love the ACT of drinking coffee! But both would be waaaay too much.

[p-trav]

isnt hydroxicut hardcore by muscletech supposed to be really good

[Brand New Hero]

isnt hydroxicut hardcore by muscletech supposed to be really good

You're 14... You're 112 lbs...getting past the fact that you do not need any type of fat burner, yes I've had great results from HH, the only MuscleTech product I will defend.

[jebbers]

i just started bsn atro-phex today, great focus and energy gains today, ill post back with fat loss in a week or two

[SoWise]

I used hydroxycut hardcore and have mixed feelings on it.. I believe it works to a degree but since im super strict with carbs, cardio and weighlifting...its hard to say if the HH had any impact... I did lose weight though.

[branddon]

i just bought MAP's Arson and Altered Stat. what is evrybodies take on the two products as far as stacking a fat-loss supp and an NO supp for muscle growth..

and how well or what type of side effects and results might i noptice?

[mztykal]

I've been using Fyre since it came out and have had great results from it. :)

Stopped taking it when they decided to sue some forum members. Now using Scorch, which I like a little better. I feel a little more focused now. :)

[got2be_RIPPED]

ive heard good things about lean extreme by ds, does anyone know if it is safe for someone my age?

[Sean_Jmu]

Iv just finished a cycle of maximuscles thermobol

it was ok, nothing major but did the job

I try doing it natural because I tend to keep the fat off without using a fat burner but going to look at using hot rox before a holiday

[Iheartsteriods]

The only true fat burners that work are The original ECA stack truly containing efedra speeding up your metabolism 3% or Clenbuterol and cytomel or synthroid witch can raise your metabolism 5 to 10% or DNP witch you should read about it, it can speed your metabolism but can also kill you if your an idoit and take it incorrectly. I have used clenbuterol and efedra both work very well. I have never used DNP. I wanted to know if any one could give me some info on the use of the drug and real experience O yeah it can raise your metabolism 40 to 50%

The only other thing that will burn your fat is your hard work and your diet.

[hurleykid83]

Any one here try VPX's meltdown yet??

[Iheartsteriods]

Those drugs i mentioned before just helps your body do what is does better. Don't waist any of your money on fat burners that do not work. Witch is all legal ones. The only ones are what i already stated. There not legal and can harm you if and only if your an idiot and don't look into how your suppost to use them.

[POR2GUE]

Can someone give me a little advice on what the best fat burner out there is, since the banning of ephedra.

I live in Ireland, and there are very few fat burners available, most of them being thermogenics, so I am quite limited in my choice.

I don't have much to lose, but it's that stubborn layer of fat across my midriff that is really getting to me. I have been doing 200+ crunches a day for quite a while, and I can really feel the muscles underneath, but no amount of cruches seem to be shifting it.

I don't want to try cutting gels though.
NVE Stacker 2 EF looks good, but would like to hear from someone who knows a little bit more than I do.
I really would appreciate any help any of you could give,

Ta.

I like Hot Rox myself, but those crunches won't do anything but develop your abs under your fat. Diet check,body fat down,abs will come.

[FitOne30]

Some argue that thermogenics are a waste of time and money. I agree that most of them do about the same thing. But if nothing else I seem to need them just to get motivated enough to make it to the gym and get through my work-out.
Am I weird because I "need" them?

[FitOne30]

I don't know about Concerta, but I was taking Adderall for several years and when I began working out and taking thermogenics I was not aware you should not mix them. I thought I was going to have a heart attack....ask your doc or look it up.

[dsade]

Some argue that thermogenics are a waste of time and money. I agree that most of them do about the same thing. But if nothing else I seem to need them just to get motivated enough to make it to the gym and get through my work-out.
Am I weird because I "need" them?

Ephedrine is a helluva drug.

[narmak5000]

dieting and self control should be used with a ec stack. if you can't get ephedrine its the next best supp and it doesnt cost u a cent

[rrgg]

i take 4 hot-rox per day... 2 in morning and 2 in evening. if i take them too close to bed i do have trouble falling asleep. otherwise i've had no side effectsIs there any chance you've checked your blood pressure after taking it? It's the kind of side effect people might not notice. Hot-Rox claims their regular (non-Extreme) product shouldn't affect BP. Thanks.

[Sportsfuel]

I have used xenadrine, hydroxycut and lipo 6 all gave pretty much similar results would probably favour lipo 6 overall but only just.

[Anssi Manninen]

IMO Recreate is the best.

[lilly_julia]

I have used xenadrine, hydroxycut and lipo 6 all gave pretty much similar results would probably favour lipo 6 overall but only just.

I just started taking lipo 6 yesterday and I really like it so far. It didn't give me a ridiculously high energy rush where I felt nervous. I took 1 at 6:30 am and I didn't feel much, then I took one at noon and decided to take another because it wasn't the level of caffeine that Im used to (I'm a very heavy coffee drinker) so far, so good... I will post the results here.

[Waterjunkie]

Has anyone ever heard of leptovox?? or tried it for that matter? It is a pretty hyped up fat burner on the internet right now?? does anyone know anything about it.

[uhockey]

The answer is Adrenalean.

Thanks.

[DAVEZILLA]

I just started using my second can of animal cuts, and I would have to say it is the best fat burner I have used

[fourminutes]

ive only used two--anadrox and atrophex. I used anadrox from dec-february and lost an inch off my waist (35 in before), and then i took a month off. I just started taking atrophex March 17th and I'm measuring my waist tomorrow but the results have been wayy more noticeable i think! I can see my abs more when i flex..you can see in my progress pics.

[Chaotic-heaven]

Lipo 6

I've just started using Lipo 6 (Australian version) for the 1st time and so far so good. I'm also a very heavy coffee drinker and I've noticed some withdrawels so I prob need to up the afternoon dose.

Still it seems to supplement a sound diet and exercise regime.

Hydroxycut:

Great product, used it about 1.5 years ago and it was very effective but too many damn pills

Hydroxycut Hardcore:

Followed this one to the letter and yet... didn't achieve any decent results... had a proper diet and exercise regime... so I found it weird that the 'hardcore' version didn't do it for me.

So far I'll vote for Lipo 6

[lordzeuz]

at currently im taking hydroxycut ...

can i take also amino acids?

please reply...

[el.bartq]

you should be able to take amino acids even if you are on hydroxycut. They shouldn't interfere with each others.

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[adistar]

i stand by cytolean. its the only thing keeping me sane on my diet. no jitters and it gets me in a really good mood. almost feeling like i just woke up from a good nights rest.

[limoD]

Has anyone tried Muscle Asylum Arson?

[cbsxr800]

at currently im taking hydroxycut ...

can i take also amino acids?

please reply...

You can take anything without caffiene or yohimbe, aminos and multis are definatley a good idea when on a fat burner.

[shefqet]

Hey guys TOTAL noob to the Forum and website. Just want to say there is a lot info on here.

Great Job

I have some questions here.

I have been working out for a while now ON and OFF
Finally decided to stick with it.

I just want to get cut and loose maybe around 10lb-15lb. (mostly around my waist)

I read that EC is the BEST weight loss method almost everywhere. (It doesn't seem to be the one for me though, as it seems to be too strong maybe? And I would also feel like a drug-atic taking pills like that lol)

1. What is the next BEST supplement after EC to loose some extra lb and get cut? (Not in your opinion, BUT as VOTED by majority, or maybe SALES)

Lipo 6 seems to be the one right?

2. I would also like to know if this Leptovox internet hype is true or false. Is it really the best product or one of the best out there?

3. If I am taking HH at the moment, and decided to stop and try another supplement, do I have to do the begginer dosage for the new supplement, or can I just start off with the max dosage?

I have been taking Hydroxycut Hardcore for about 8 weeks now, WITHOUT a sigle LB lost. All I get from it is headaches and dizziness.

I work out 6-7 days a week, and have also stayed away from bad foods.

Surprising anybody that I have had ABSOLUTELY no RESULTS from HH what so ever?

[lordzeuz]

you should be able to take amino acids even if you are on hydroxycut. They shouldn't interfere with each others.

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thank you very much sir...

[lordzeuz]

You can take anything without caffiene or yohimbe, aminos and multis are definatley a good idea when on a fat burner.


thank you very much sir...

im just new to supplements

ive planned to loss fat then go on bulking..

[DGreekStallion]

Any one here try VPX's meltdown yet??

I have. It's alright. The best thing is the euphoria one gets off of it. I was literally singing on my way to school!

[gregorious]

I decided to try Lipo 6 yesterday to see what kind of effect it had on me so that when the time came to V-diet I'd be ready.

Took it about 20 minutes before eating at around 10AM , and felt as if it was just a substitute for coffee. Nothing real crazy, heart rate throughout the day felt abnormally high, but it didn't bother me.

Then at around 4-5PM i had a crash (didn't take a 2nd pill), and wasn't really able to get anything done or concentrate for the remainder of the day.

Also, the pills inside the box are all oily for some reason, as was the piece of cotton that was supposed to absorb moisture . I am wondering if a few of my pills burst or got crushed, or is this the way it's supposed to be?

[Dont Judge Me]

How many calories have you been eating per day though? If you're eating too many calories there would be no way you could lose any fat...


Hey guys TOTAL noob to the Forum and website. Just want to say there is a lot info on here.

Great Job

I have some questions here.

I have been working out for a while now ON and OFF
Finally decided to stick with it.

I just want to get cut and loose maybe around 10lb-15lb. (mostly around my waist)

I read that EC is the BEST weight loss method almost everywhere. (It doesn't seem to be the one for me though, as it seems to be too strong maybe? And I would also feel like a drug-atic taking pills like that lol)

1. What is the next BEST supplement after EC to loose some extra lb and get cut? (Not in your opinion, BUT as VOTED by majority, or maybe SALES)

Lipo 6 seems to be the one right?

2. I would also like to know if this Leptovox internet hype is true or false. Is it really the best product or one of the best out there?

3. If I am taking HH at the moment, and decided to stop and try another supplement, do I have to do the begginer dosage for the new supplement, or can I just start off with the max dosage?

I have been taking Hydroxycut Hardcore for about 8 weeks now, WITHOUT a sigle LB lost. All I get from it is headaches and dizziness.

I work out 6-7 days a week, and have also stayed away from bad foods.

Surprising anybody that I have had ABSOLUTELY no RESULTS from HH what so ever?

[peteski]

i put this in the over 35's section but didn't get a reply.

I'm posting on behalf of my dad, he's 50 years old now but in great shape as he used to compete bodybuilding and still trains very hard with weights and cardio.
Unfortunately he doesn't know much about todays supplements and struggles to keep his belly down, tbh his diet's ok, i think it's just with his immune system slowing with age.

What supplements for fat burning/weight management would anyone recommend?

thanks for any help.

[shefqet]

Not sure on the exact amount of calories but am pretty sure that I have been under 1800 per day.

[DGreekStallion]

i put this in the over 35's section but didn't get a reply.

I'm posting on behalf of my dad, he's 50 years old now but in great shape as he used to compete bodybuilding and still trains very hard with weights and cardio.
Unfortunately he doesn't know much about todays supplements and struggles to keep his belly down, tbh his diet's ok, i think it's just with his immune system slowing with age.

What supplements for fat burning/weight management would anyone recommend?

thanks for any help.

Due to his age, I would get your father a stimulant-free supplement. There's a whole thread called: "Best Stimulant-Free Fat Burner."

Good Luck

[GH0ST_BG]

Ive used Red Acid gen1 and it was great , the gen2 i havent tried .

Currently i'm thinking of stacking Cytolean with something , i have chosen Thyrotabs but GN put them off market . So any ideas what to stack it with ? Thanks in advance .

[Dont Judge Me]

Not sure on the exact amount of calories but am pretty sure that I have been under 1800 per day.

Oh how much do you weigh?

I just started taking HH this week. It's too early to tell if its working yet. I'm not even on the full dose yet (taking 2 twice a day). I'm carb cycling (calorie cycling) between 1900-2200 Cals.

I'm trying to shed a few more pounds to get my six pack showing. I'd like to get to about 8% BF then I'll slow bulk for about 4 months or so.

[chickenbreast]

Ive used Red Acid gen1 and it was great , the gen2 i havent tried .

Currently i'm thinking of stacking Cytolean with something , i have chosen Thyrotabs but GN put them off market . So any ideas what to stack it with ? Thanks in advance .

GHOST, where can I find Red Acid Gen 1 in Bulgaria? There is only rag2 but its the most foolish fat burner ever maked... :)

offtopic: I know you from bb-team.org :P

[lilly_julia]

Well, I have been taking the lipo 6 regularly for a week now. I haven't lost any weight, but I definitely LOOK different, and my clothes are not as snug. Which is really nice, of course my workouts have been good and consistent, however my eating habits still need help. So I wonder what kind of results I would get if I really paid good attention to my diet - I often find that if I don't plan meals ahead of time, I find myself downtown at school starving and heading for the vending machine. I also love chocolate and wine too much. So, all things considered, I would have to give it a positive review at this point. I kind of miss drinking coffee though!

[shefqet]

I weigh 170.

I mostly started taking HH to cut some chest and shed some handles.

[raysurz]

My vote is with MHP Dren. It suppressed my appetite and gave me a quick boost of energy. I lost nearly 30 lbs in two months while taking it. The biggest plus is that you only have to take 1 pill a day! Great for people like me who tend to forget things. I'm just about to come off a one month layoff after a two month cycle and I can't wait to get started again!

[rkv]

i had a lot of sleepness when i took like noxplode like 3 hrs before sleep does this lipo 6 or hyrdoxycut have the same effect ( like i shud skip the pill before sleep)

[gregorious]

i had a lot of sleepness when i took like noxplode like 3 hrs before sleep does this lipo 6 or hyrdoxycut have the same effect ( like i shud skip the pill before sleep)


I hope you're joking about taking NO Xplode and Thermogenics before you go to sleep ....

NO Xplode isn't for weight loss , it's for pre-workout energy

Lipo 6 and Hydroxycut are definitely not to be taken at bed time. In the morning, and at mid-day , and that's it . They're full of caffeine dude ! Read the label !

[sportsfan4110]

I just started using my second can of animal cuts, and I would have to say it is the best fat burner I have used

i second that. cuts is the best because of all the ingrediants in all the pills. its not just 2 or 3 pills that are all the same. every pill is different which makes animals cuts effective and the best. the pak it comes in is also convienent when your on the go and you need to take it when your out of the house.

[SxBdGy]

Strongly recommend. Had amazing results!!!

[rdakari]

Last time I was on a cut I used Lipo 6x and Animal Cuts together and got a good result. Every other week I switched it up to Hydroxycut Hardcore and Muscle Asylum's cutting supplement. Although the 4 supplements can get pricey, I got more cut than I've ever been.

[angelofanarky]

Cellucor D4. Totally makes me sweat buckets. It's like Xendrine RFA w/o the ephedra--I have to add that myself :)
Cellucor T7 is also an excellent catalyst for that as well. Makes me sweat even more. I dont know if its good or bad in the long run, have only been using the combo for 2 weeks. Have used D4 many many times in the past..no dehydration or other ill effects

No, I dont work for Cellucor, but I do love their products

[Atom_Bomb]

Hello all,

I was looking to start up a new multi-vitamin as my last set is out. Saw that everyone suggests Animal Pak for the multi-vitamin, but I was wondering about stacking with a fat burner as I need to cut some more fat. I'm 22, weigh 179lb, and have aprox 22% bf last I checked(was 32% in November). I was looking at getting either Lypo-6 or Animal Cuts to cut fat. The main question was whether it's ok to use these in tandem due to my BF still being high. Also, is mixing the Animal Pak with Animal Cuts/lypo-6 ok? if so, how should i stagger the doseages as well as how many pills do I take for the diet stuff?


Thanks,
Jon

[gonoles07]

Couple of questions guys and there has been some great info on here from what I have read so far.

However, I was wondering something. If I am on adderal XR (extended release) should I take fat burners. I am just trying to get cut for the summer so I need to shed like 5-10 pounds for some definition.

Also, should I take fat burners if I am trying to gain muscle. I currently workout about 5 days a week and take 40-45 grams of protein after every workout. I am trying to gain muscle and get some definition at the same time.

How should I go about this and can I/should I take fat burners if I am on adderal XR 20mg?

[dgranados]

Also, should I take fat burners if I am trying to gain muscle. I currently workout about 5 days a week and take 40-45 grams of protein after every workout. I am trying to gain muscle and get some definition at the same time.
I'm not sure about your question about the fat burner...because I'm not all that sure what kind of medication that is that you're on...but if you want to gain muscle ...just eat. You want to injest at least 1 gram of protein for each pound that you weigh.

Good luck.

[gonoles07]

i want to gain muscle and lose fat. When I eat a lot I instantly put on fat it seems. I want a way to have big gains and lose fat while becoming more defined. Is it possible or should I do one and then the other?

Adderol is a medicine for ADD.

[dgranados]

i want to gain muscle and lose fat. When I eat a lot I instantly put on fat it seems. I want a way to have big gains and lose fat while becoming more defined. Is it possible or should I do one and then the other?eat clean....there are plenty of sample diets on this website.

eat clean and work hard...and you'll reach your goal.

[GH0ST_BG]

GHOST, where can I find Red Acid Gen 1 in Bulgaria? There is only rag2 but its the most foolish fat burner ever maked... :)

offtopic: I know you from bb-team.org :P

Since Rag2 , there is no way to find rag1 in bg . Simply невъзможно :) . And as you said i dont think rag2 is worth buying .

[kennyb010]

i just started taking ripped fuel extreme and i read back a few pages and didnt see it mentioned..

would anyone recommend it?
does it work pretty good?

[hereonearth]

Anyone know about Inferno? It's a Nutrabolics supplement.

[ahmaxmuscle]

I just tried Ignite by Next Level Nutrition(nlnutrition.net) it worked really good, lost 6% bodyfat. I like it because it has 2 types of caffeine and yohimbe so it kicks as good as any ephedra product Ive tried, it also has diuretics in in to get rid of the excess water weight.

[chocochoco]

can someone confirm with me that the hot-rox doesn't contain gugglesterones?

HOT ROX? Formula 950mg *
A7-E? Super-Thermogenic Gel? 50/700 [Lauroyl Macrogol-32 Glycerides, P-Methylcarbonylethylphenol, 3, 17-Dihydroxy-Delta-5-Etiocholane-7-One Diethylcarbonate, Sclaremax? (Proprietary Sclareolide), Yohimbine HCL, Piperine], Caffeine.

i got this off bb.com but i remember seeing guggle in the formula. tell me that this is the new formula.

[racingrit22@aol]

What would yall suggest for a woman? I read a few pages back and seen that no One burner was recommended. I've been searching and am down to VPX Meltdown and Lipo 6 (for women). I don't normally respond well to fat burners. I'm taking Ripped Fuel now, with no differences. I did get results for the first few weeks with nano-slim, and tried it a again a few weeks ago, to no ado. I don't need to lose much weight, just fat. 6ft, 157lbs. Been in th gym over a year now, but still have a mommy tummy. What do yall think of each of the above?

[ICWRobby]

I just finished my first bottle of Hydroxycut Hardcore today and I'm satisfied with the results to a point. Unfortunately for me I work all throughout the day and don't usually get home till around 530 t0 6. It's a bitch because I do find that hydroxycut works best when you take it right before your workout. Well it would be ridiculous to take this stuff at 630 to 7 at night because even though it says 5 hours before sleep your not going to sleep 5 hours after you take it. I feel the best on my days off when I can take it when i want to work out and not when I have too. Is it a good product? Yes it has given me burst of energy. But I feel my body crashes off of it sometimes. (I find myself dozing occasionaly.) But I have started to generate my 6 pack. I also eat extremely healty and strick and a do a ton of cardio.

In my opinion it does help for those who can't always work out on a schedule they want too. But I also would say, with an excellent schedule of cardio and strict nutrition, your results are going to be minimal

[fyree]

Hi all, I actually have a special situation. I happened to be really sensitive to stimulants and once I took a hydroxycut...just one...with ephedra and walked the house for 5 hours straight. Everytime I would stop I felt like my chest was caving in and I was going to die! No wonder you lose weight. If you stop moving you'll have a heart attack! But anyhow, I've had good luck with Syntrax gugglebolic extreme. I could feel my temp rise but have no jitters and no climbing walls! Teamed with Prolab's Metabolic Thyrolean, I've actually been able to lean up more than I was able to without them. They don't work super fast or have miracle results, but they did give me a little extra boost. There was a noticeable difference. Hope that helps for anyone out there in my situation.

[fastfoodjunkie]

can someone confirm with me that the hot-rox doesn't contain gugglesterones?

HOT ROX? Formula 950mg *
A7-E? Super-Thermogenic Gel? 50/700 [Lauroyl Macrogol-32 Glycerides, P-Methylcarbonylethylphenol, 3, 17-Dihydroxy-Delta-5-Etiocholane-7-One Diethylcarbonate, Sclaremax? (Proprietary Sclareolide), Yohimbine HCL, Piperine], Caffeine.

i got this off bb.com but i remember seeing guggle in the formula. tell me that this is the new formula.

Hot-Rox no longer contains guggulsterone.

[DragonflyRider]

Hi all, I actually have a special situation. I happened to be really sensitive to stimulants and once I took a hydroxycut...just one...with ephedra and walked the house for 5 hours straight. Everytime I would stop I felt like my chest was caving in and I was going to die! No wonder you lose weight. If you stop moving you'll have a heart attack! But anyhow, I've had good luck with Syntrax gugglebolic extreme. I could feel my temp rise but have no jitters and no climbing walls! Teamed with Prolab's Metabolic Thyrolean, I've actually been able to lean up more than I was able to without them. They don't work super fast or have miracle results, but they did give me a little extra boost. There was a noticeable difference. Hope that helps for anyone out there in my situation.

Gugglebolic and Thyrolean?
Isn't guggul x2?
Why double stack the same ingredient?
Or it takes double dose to see anything.
What was your av fat loss each week before taking them and after?

[deicide22]

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