Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

[YuoGotOwn3d]

picked up some Lipo 6 and I dont know if I have felt anything different. All i know is my stomache has been feeling kinda weird...maybe its cause of the carbonated beverages i had. Ill see whats happens in a week or so..i havent pulled the full dose yet either.

[SouthernRebel]

I used T7 and D4 combined and i drop a lot of fat, and i wasn't working out really bad and not doing the greatest diet, they worked good i droped like 6 kgs in 1 month and got ripped

What are those supplements i tried to search T7 and it couldn't find anything so I'am guessing that is not the full name

[makthat]

hey.. i've tried both Thermo-Gain by muscletech and Lipo-6 by nutrex.. thermo-gain gave me MUCH better results.. by far.

[timo]

Lipo6 all the way!! Went from 197lbs to 186lbs in about 5 weeks, lost just over 2" off my waist, whilst upper body measurements were maintained. Lost a little size off my legs, but nothing a lean bulk won't fix :)

Timo

[Toofpaste39]

I finally received my Lipo 6 and I like it. It def. gave me an energy boost.

[Taffin]

MAN SCORCH didn't do much for me at first and I stopped taking it for a while, but I started taking it again if I was feeling lazy and it gave me some energy for cardio. Also, it pretty much killed my appetite, so I think it's excellent for all my fellow fat lazy endomorphs. The only complaint is it seems to work erractically. Sometimes it fills me with energy and gives me an almost scary sense of focus and clarity and other times I feel no effect. It works more often now than at first (perhaps my body needed to get used to it?). I almost always sweat more with it though.

EDIT:
I just wanted to note that 98% of my results came from diet and excercise. A lot of people say that supps (especially anything beyond whey and creatine) are merely good for fine-tuning your hard work and they are 100% right.

[sonick]

Lipo-6 seems to be the best stuff I've tried (haven't tried thermorexin or TIGHT though). I attribute better, more potent ingrediants in Lipo-6 to the success of it. Just by looking at the ingrediants I wouldn't have been too impressed but it still seems to be working pretty well. Doesn't give me jitters either.

[phanattic]

Currently on the Lipo-6 after trying just about everything on the market - Hot Rox, Hydroxycut (with and without Ephedrine), Straight ephedrine, Red8. etc etc. Finding that Lipo-6 is working really well. Not getting jittery at all and seem to have the energy at the right time- Hot Rox meant for some restless nights. I still reckon for a good sweatup- L-Carnitine is still the way to go. No far fetched ingredients and always survives once the hype dies down on a new product.

[gymgrrl]

I miss using good ole' Stacker 2 with ephedra.

[Abu Misho]

LIPO 6 is the best.Avant Labs SesaThin is a great one too.

[amateur101]

Anyone heard of Ergo Pharm AMP? I'm planning on buying Man Scorch soon unless I can find a better product. It seems to be getting the most positive reviews

[TheJuice]

used to take Ephedra Hydroxycut, that WAS the best... I've tried everything.... the best I've found since the ban are...

Redline - makes you wanna tear someone heart out, and make syou sweat your ass off...

Thermogain- reminds me of old hydroxycut

Thermoshred- has a nice drying effect... lost about 10lbs of water in just a week...

[gtrain808]

Ergopharm AMP is a good preworkout stimulant with a touch of a fat burner. I like to combine 2 caps of AMP with a cap of Leanfire from Instone.

[Judgelex]

Well I just ordered SCORCH and Now it seems I wont be able to get it across the border. What a bunch of bull****!

[amateur101]

Well I just ordered SCORCH and Now it seems I wont be able to get it across the border. What a bunch of bull****!


wow that sucks.. why exactly is that? i just checked my tracking #, supposed to be here tomorrow

[Richter]

I weigh a buck 80 and have little fat around my waist. Zantrex burnt off little over five pounds (with no cardio shhhh...). Major nausea though.

[fkjr2]

Yes my vote goes to Lipo 6 - really suppresses appetite and if you really kick the cardio hard, you'll see results bigtime.

Good luck all.

[nakkers]

I think ephedrine is the only way to go. I do not believe in ephedra-free products...its a total gimmick. Stick with ephedra pills and combine it with ur fat burner to get the most effective supplement to burn fat. Currently, I use ephedrine with RevXP and it honestly gives your body a quick boost for workouts and best of all no side effects! Also, u must have a good diet in order for these supplements to be effective

[Judgelex]

YES! I received my SCORCH today, so apparently you can get SCORCH over the border!!!!

[Yogurt]

YES! I received my SCORCH today, so apparently you can get SCORCH over the border!!!!

SCORCH is ****, I have it and ti didn't do much for me. But I have ephedra free hydroxycut which seems to have a better affect on me. I am now stacking SCORCH with vasopro because it has the caffeine, might as well...

[cakedonkey]

SCORCH is ****, I have it and ti didn't do much for me.Tell that to the other 1,000s of people who have had great results. Your diet and cardio probably aren't in check.

[Cyrus317]

Even though I'm new to the boards, I'm not entirely ignorant, so remember this before you stop mid read on this question.

I've been working out for a long, long time now (for me at least). I think I started at age 12, so that's almost half a lifetime ago for me. Yet despite being active and eating well, I have a problem with fat that I simply have no answer for.

You'll notice that I'm not a big guy (look under my username), so I get definition pretty easy. Unfortunately, the flip side of this is that there is not much area over which to spread out the fat. My father is a large man (5'9" 360 lbs) with a slew of heatlh problems relating to his weight, and thus my battle against obesity has been a constant struggle. I was a chumky kid, a fat adolescent, and I slimmed up around eighth grade. In high school, I lifted, played football, wrestled, swam, and sprinted for the track team; yet despite my constant activity, I was never able to shed the fat.

I have 0 fat on my arms, legs, and legs, and oftentimes I lose so much weight out of my face I look like a skeleton; but I have like a solid inch covering my entire abdominal region and my ass. That pluss I've always had some pudge in the pectoralis minor region.

I'm really looking for any advice you guys out there could give me, at least to get rid of the belly fat. I know you can't really spot reduce, but I'm thinking maybe there is something I've missed.

I've tried taking Hydroxycut with Ephedra, which worked great, but is now unfortunately no more. I also tried Xenadrine, which gave me horrible headaches and bad stomach cramps, leading me to discontinue after only 2 weeks. Other than that, I've stayed away from fat burning supplements. Please let me know if there is any product you think may help, as I approach the cut-up phase in my workouts.

[Abu Misho]

because there is 0 fat on your arms,legs,...and there is fat on your abs,ass...try going for a high protein bulking for a month or so,and then cut using some great supplements+your fat burner and diet.

for good fat burners:
*STIMULANTS,in that order:
1-Nutrex Lipo 6.
2-SAN Tight.
3-MuscleTech Hydroxycut Ephedra Free.

*NON-STIMULANTS,in that order"
1-Avant Labs SesaThin.
2-Universal Super Cuts 3.
3-BioQuest Tetrazene.

Hope this helps,good luck.

[Cyrus317]

because there is 0 fat on your arms,legs,...and there is fat on your abs,ass...try going for a high protein bulking for a month or so,and then cut using some great supplements+your fat burner and diet.

for good fat burners:
*STIMULANTS,in that order:
1-Nutrex Lipo 6.
2-SAN Tight.
3-MuscleTech Hydroxycut Ephedra Free.

*NON-STIMULANTS,in that order"
1-Avant Labs SesaThin.
2-Universal Super Cuts 3.
3-BioQuest Tetrazene.

Hope this helps,good luck.

I am assuming the thinking behind this is that the bulking will lead to increased muscle mass, which requires higher metabolic conversion. Then this naturally enhanced metabolism is combined with a fat burner. Would this be your correct line of thought?

I've done something similar to this in the past, but what I did was a protein bulk with heavy lifting, followed by a stimulant cycle where I greatly decreased the ammount of time spent lifting and spent much more time on cardio. I am assuming you are advising me to maintain the lifting regiment (obviously coupled with some cardio) and not ditch it in favor of cardio. That way the muscle mass will be required to draw is calorie needs from the fat stores instead of atrophying to provide energy for the cardio.

Sounds interesting... I've read articles to this effect, but have not yet tried it. Please let me know if I am way off base here and you meant something different.

~C.G.

[thicketman]

true, but I need the ephedra to KEEP my ass in the gym and on the treadmill. I'm lazy and usually, limited in motivation. The stimulant helps big time.

The stimulants help me too during a cutting phase. In a calorie deficit, I'm naturally more tired, less focused (have a hard time w/ that one anyway), and EXTREMELY irritable.

[gixxer600]

currently using hydroxycut, seems to be working, but also could be the diet combined with exercise. still unsure wether you can use a fatburner with a no2 product.

[luvs2btan05]

I dont know how to shed it. Its like im at this plateau. Lipo 6 didnt really do anything for me. Ive taken hydroxycut about 3 or 4 years ago. And I really dont remember if that helped. So, any advice would be great on a supplment not just a fat burner, but for energy as well. Im going non-stop from 5am-8:30pm when I just pass out. Thanks~ Meg

[ulter]

Thermorexin - there is no subsitute

[luvs2btan05]

Thermorexin - there is no subsitute


so did that work for you then?

[Adam444]

Thermorexin didn't do sh!t to me.

It was good as Hydroxycut...

[ulter]

Yes it works great. It's the most powerful legal thermogenic there is.

[skelooth]

Even though I'm new to the boards, I'm not entirely ignorant, so remember this before you stop mid read on this question.

I've been working out for a long, long time now (for me at least). I think I started at age 12, so that's almost half a lifetime ago for me. Yet despite being active and eating well, I have a problem with fat that I simply have no answer for.

You'll notice that I'm not a big guy (look under my username), so I get definition pretty easy. Unfortunately, the flip side of this is that there is not much area over which to spread out the fat. My father is a large man (5'9" 360 lbs) with a slew of heatlh problems relating to his weight, and thus my battle against obesity has been a constant struggle. I was a chumky kid, a fat adolescent, and I slimmed up around eighth grade. In high school, I lifted, played football, wrestled, swam, and sprinted for the track team; yet despite my constant activity, I was never able to shed the fat.

I have 0 fat on my arms, legs, and legs, and oftentimes I lose so much weight out of my face I look like a skeleton; but I have like a solid inch covering my entire abdominal region and my ass. That pluss I've always had some pudge in the pectoralis minor region.

I'm really looking for any advice you guys out there could give me, at least to get rid of the belly fat. I know you can't really spot reduce, but I'm thinking maybe there is something I've missed.

I've tried taking Hydroxycut with Ephedra, which worked great, but is now unfortunately no more. I also tried Xenadrine, which gave me horrible headaches and bad stomach cramps, leading me to discontinue after only 2 weeks. Other than that, I've stayed away from fat burning supplements. Please let me know if there is any product you think may help, as I approach the cut-up phase in my workouts.

sounds like you're insulin resistant bro, most endomorphs are. Have you tried a low carb diet? They work wonders for endos.

[WolfsBlood]

Would it be ok to take lipo-6 and ZMA?

[Shiv]

ive been taking xenadrine efx for the past wk n its working wonders for me

[Tanqueray]

Okay, I loved the effects of Ripped Fuel back in the day. Gave me such a good feeling taken prior to working out. Taking the old ECA stack pills really helped.

But ever since it was banned, I never found something I like. I've been SCOURING THESE BOARDS to see who likes what best (ephedra-free crap) But now I see some posts from folks using ephedrine/ma huang.

How do you guys get that? I loved it and had no probs with it. Been looking all over.

Seems the SAN Tight is popular (ephedra free)

thx
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Your question might be suited better within a different section. Nevertheless, You might consider below as it has benefited me. During the first cycle though, I did half the dosage mentioned.

6:00am (1) San Tight (1) 25mg Ephedrine
Noon (1) 25mg Ephedrine
4:00pm (1) San Tight (1) 25mg Ephedrine
8:00pm (1) 25mg Ephedrine

Cycle 4-weeks on 1-week off

During my off week, I rely on my wife and workout partner to help me keep my diet in check. I have lost 18 pounds while increasing mass and strength (2 months). Hopefully, my next cycle will be my last.

San Tight is moderately priced, Vasapro is reasonable. Usually you can get 48 tablets of the latter for under $8.00 if you price around. Bodybuilding.com is very reasonable.

For your goals, I would think SAN Tight would be sufficient. If you want to get aggressive with the fat - simply add Ephedrine as tolerated.

[Par Deus]

so did that work for you then?

Not that Ulter is biased....

[pu12en12g]

Not that Ulter is biased....

http://technologyorgasm.com/upload/oreowned.jpg

[Invincible4199]

Hey heard some of you guys discussing lipo 6. I have been taking it for about a month now. I started out at 185lbs. Combining lipo6 and a 2000 cal/day diet (with about 45 min of cardio everyday) I have gotten down to a much leaner 172 lbs. No muscle loss either. Keep posting.


Thats great...i used lipo 6 and didnt really see a noticable difference....im on redline right now...went from 172 or so to 169 in 2 weeks...not bad so far...and i feel anything when i take it and i take 3 in the am with food and 3 afternoon with food....the best one that worked for me so far was hyrdroxycut over a period of 9 months or so with diet and excersize i went from around 240 to 180....But im still looking for a good fat burner...
This is an excellent site...i enjoy reading the forums...first post, ive been reading them for a few weeks though. Keep it up fellas.

[Invincible4199]

ive been taking xenadrine efx for the past wk n its working wonders for me

what kind of weight lost we talkin about? how many lbs?

[ebroome]

REDLINE is the only one worth using, and maybe hot rox but i wouldnt waste my money there

[974g63awd]

What do you guys think of green tea for fat loss? I know it supposed to aid you in fat loss but has anyone had any positive experiences with it?

[Master Mind]

ripped fuel extreme sucks...i used 2 of them 60 capsules bottles and it didnt work with me..

[Invincible4199]

I been using it so far nothing......then again i just came back from montreal so i havent been hittin the gym on the regular.....

[Dallas68]

I have been doing 200+ crunches a day for quite a while, and I can really feel the muscles underneath, but no amount of cruches seem to be shifting it.

Ta.

dont do so many crunches span out doing many diff exercises look around the proper site bro

[Dbeezee]

Ephedra is still available and works the best.

I bought the original Hydroxycut formula from www.ephedra1.com

Still the best!!!

[jasonk67401]

Cellucor

D4-T7-WS1

[Invincible4199]

Ephedra is still available and works the best.

I bought the original Hydroxycut formula from www.ephedra1.com

Still the best!!!

Great...thanks, but i never used a product containing Ephedra...Think its a safe idea.

[PapaDaca]

go with Lipo 6 Im taking Lipo 6 with 10-12 mg of ephedrine HCL i bought at a gas station
and I am getting good results, much better then from lipo 6 alone,

if you want to get ripped and shredded fast go with this combination.
Try a good hoodia extract to kill you appetite for later in the day.

[Dallas68]

yeah, I like Animal Cuts

yeah that stuff works big time honest

[Jason_87]

Pvl Cutter

[PapaDaca]

try some meth or Extacy, they seem to work great for fat loss. or tryt what they other guy said coke.

[PapaDaca]

If you want ephedrien HCL head to ur gas station its sold as a asthma med over the counter

[Blood and Guts]

Check out www.cellucor.com... there D4 is really pretty good. Good energy and kills the app. also pulls out water weight.

Also like the Release Program from NDS. www.releasediet.com
Solid company from Nebraska. Good weight loss products and they also offer a very good line of sports supplements. You will only be able to find their products at a private owned GNC.

Hope this helps somebody.



i agree, dude any cellucor product is good, d4 is good, also sci fits thermogen II

[chefmatth]

ABB speed stack RTD this stuff will hook you faster than anything I have ever used we cant keep it in the fridge at the gym, and if you drink three a day the appitite suppresant qualities are really good.

[GoBlue07]

I'm stacking:

Lipo 6- Liquid Delivery
SAN TIGHT
CLA (now switching to Sesathin)
Dandelion Root (water shedding)
Lipoderm- Y or Ultra (transdermal)

Another good mix is:
Biotest Hot Rox
SAN Tight

I use Taraxotone 10 days before a contest to shed the H2O

I have tried RevXP & Thermoshred in the past.....ok but the above work better.

Happy training!

[PapaDaca]

try coke like the guy said combine it with a fat burner, may work better then Ephedrine.

on the realness go to any gas station they have ephedrine.

[masta_mo]

well......im from the UK and i was recommended to take thermobol. which is from maximuscle. so i bought it and with strict dieting and cardio i lost amazingly 1 stone= 14 pnds in 2 months, some people lose more but i was overall pleased that i was losing something which made this product effetive on me, but not sure about you lot. ive herd about the fine£$£ that maximuscle were given so i waited until they got the all clear to chnge the ingredients and other stuff.
so i bought this product on 2005 june, and funny enough it says 3 a day. but for any thermogenic its better to start at 1 for the 1st wk then increase each wk until 3 dosages are reached.

well hope that helps!

[madrigals]

TIGHT worked pretty well for me. It's a thermogenic fat burner. I lost about 35 pds. in about 2 months on the stuff. Of course I dieted and did a ton of exercise but it really helps for energy.

[WhiteSnake]

Ok Ive tried three

(4 weeks) HydroxyCut: it was Ok I lost abou what i was expecting to to

(2 weeks)Zantrax3: Commercial bull**** gave me a **** load of energy but thats it

(6 weeks) LeanFire: Amazing, it was a bit expensive but just alot more than i expected because of it im at the point now where im just needing to maintain which with my schedule and diet should be no problem

[Cyrus317]

try coke like the guy said combine it with a fat burner, may work better then Ephedrine.

on the realness go to any gas station they have ephedrine.

Just wondering where u were from Papa. I've bought ephedine HCL at gas-stations in Kentucky, but have yet to find the **** here in Indiana (and Kentucky is a 4.5 hour drive from where I'm at. Maybe I'm just looking at the wrong places, or maybe the availability varies from state to state.

~C.G.

[WhiteSnake]

Just started taking ripped fuel already seems to be giving me alot of energy, I will report back in a week

[ComradeDylie]

Hey what can you guys tell me about animal cuts? A buddy and I both ordered a bottle.

[Joey3]

Okay, I loved the effects of Ripped Fuel back in the day. Gave me such a good feeling taken prior to working out. Taking the old ECA stack pills really helped.

But ever since it was banned, I never found something I like. I've been SCOURING THESE BOARDS to see who likes what best (ephedra-free crap) But now I see some posts from folks using ephedrine/ma huang.

How do you guys get that? I loved it and had no probs with it. Been looking all over.

Seems the SAN Tight is popular (ephedra free)

thx
=============================


Your best bet is to check out a local discount or smaller supplement place. Alot of times they dont display everything they have, and you could ask them if they have any of these products...worked for me anyways.

[ComradeDylie]

Well seeing as how Ive only seen positive things about Animal Cuts Ill tell about Day 1.

I took the pak at 5 and went to the gym and ran for 25 minutes, then I came home at 1 and took another pak and ran harder for another 25 minutes.

The pills make it seem like Im tweaking on Aderol or something, but it is really giving me energy to work, also it seems that I am not very hungry either.

Im only taking the Animal Cuts not stacking with anything but Green Tea. I've had 4 cups of tea and my daily 2 paks of pills.

Im about to go play Tennis, Im assuming I will have an abundance of energy.

Going low-carb (which works great for me) and taking the Animal Cuts, Im at 210 now and am trying to get to 180-185, maybe this 3 week cycle (21 days in a bottle) will get me there. If it does then this is by far one of the best products.

If anyone has anything to tell me about Animal Cuts Im very interested.

[PoonTang]

BSN's Creamy Vanilla

[Cyrus317]

Anyone have a good stack they've used with Lipo-6? I'm about to start a cutting phase after an intense bulking month. I'm trying Lipo-6 with sesathin, but I was wondering if there was anything else worth adding to increase efficacy.

[Emo Bodybuilder]

Nike running shoes ;-)

[beginnerDan]

I started using Lipo 6 about a month ago but alternated with EC and I'm now able to see a bit more definition all over.

I use Lipo 6 on rest days while I use EC on days I know I'll be working out a bit more intensely.

So not to confuse anybody further I recommend both Nutrex's offering and the stack.

[RogueLift]

Having read through this entire thread looking for a definitive answer to the question of the best fat burner...I came up with the following supplements as generally agreed upon as the best:

San TIGHT
Lipo-6 (though some seem to think its worthless)
Man SCORCH
ThermoRexin
Sesathin

From those I am having a hard time deciding which to purchase.

I am thinking the Man SCORCH...but its seems to be an appetite supressant more than a fat burner..

I am currently 6' and about 188lbs. I dont know my BF% (ordering a caliper today) but would assume I am around 10% (based off the fact that I have a visible "4-pack" or top abs..but the lower abs arent as visible.) I am attempting to cut myself a little bit just to have slightly more visible muscle definition..

Just looking for a more definitive answer on fat burners....is there no best?

Thanks in advance.

[zodawg0079]

Best fat loss without ephedrine:
Beverly Lean out stacked with 7-Keto Musclean

only problem is that this is f*ckin' expensive as sh!t.

[Emoore]

Just looking for a more definitive answer on fat burners....is there no best?

Thanks in advance.

You're exactly right. There is no one best. There are some that are made with good, high-quality ingredients and some that are crap, but the one that's absolutely best for me might not be the one that works best for you.

[Par Deus]

Anyone have a good stack they've used with Lipo-6? I'm about to start a cutting phase after an intense bulking month. I'm trying Lipo-6 with sesathin, but I was wondering if there was anything else worth adding to increase efficacy.

Fish oil.

[gnew70]

redline

[johani]

is ther eny mass gainer withe out fat withe goode resulte

[tails]

chicken

[Mass Dogg]

My personal favorite is Animal Cuts by Universal Nutrition. You can get it online at www.animalpak.com It helped me in my qwest to lose over 110lbs. It is a product that you use in 3week cycles. each container has one to two cycles in it depending on how many packs a day you take.

[bodyshop]

Nike running shoes ;-)
I like that baby!

Xenadrine EFX(ephedra free), only the results matter. See it for yourself.

[Nickbahh]

I just started with Hot-Rox and so far I am very pleased with the results. I get the feel that my energy is way up. On occasion though after workouts I find myself very jittery for a couple hours. Almost like I have ADD. Makes sitting through economics seem like the longest class ever.

[WannaGetSliced]

THE best fat burner post ephedra is ****'s Venom. UNBELIEVEABLE!! You get the rush you need @ the gym & you NEVER want to eat, the appetite suppressing effects of this product are amazing!!

[DandelionWolf]

So far from what I've learned, CLA is not only a fat burner, but a fat blocker, and a muscle builder. I've taken 3000 mgs for the past month and lost 2 inches. I'm upping my dose to 4000 mgs this month......next month I'll try 5 and then 6. Wanna take it slow, but am seeing GREAT results with this thing.

Oh I've had Stacker 2 too..........that stuff gives ya quick "high" feeling. Tastes good......but I gotta wonder about that combination, especially with asprin added.....

[whutevr]

USP Labs cAMPIBOLIC and C2 (stack) are great.
Thermorexin is a very close 2nd.

[LarryN77]

Avant Labs H.E.A.T stack and Phenogen are pretty hardcore fat loss supps

[sjfou]

No one has had any experience with Thermo Hydroxadrine? Seems appealing to me. (cheap!) also, im 5ft 7, bout 150lbs. apprently i should only consume 450mg caffeien p/day. should i lesson the dosage of fat burner?i currently take AST Dymetradine Xtreme, 1 tab 3x p/day & take 1 extra before weight training. i sweat like theres no tomorrow pushing hard but i havent noticed many other changes. Occasional jump in the heart

[atmasters]

I must agree with cAMPHIBOLIC from ******s. I also take there C2.

[noleguy]

Tight!

[wreckerofsteel]

what about Red Acid by Controlled Labs ??

[kevgrill]

Wouldn't VasoPro Ephedrine 25 mg (available from the bb store) and Hydroxycut (or any other HCA based/caffeine injected fat burner) stacked together make for an ideal combo?

Also, perhaps not as important a question would be: How about adding synephrine to the mix (if the "fat burner" doesn't already include it)? How about adding Yohimbe?

[Husky2Hunky]

SAN TIGHT, at least for me. I have NOT used this. After reading page 1 through 12 i found the best things that meet my needs were in SAN Tight, Lipo 6 and MAN Scorch. But then I ruled out the ones that lean too much on appetite suppresant (Scorch and Lipo 6) and I was left with SAN Tight, since it claims to remove fat cells to "better burning ratio areas"...all in all it makes some miracle like claims, but I will give it a try. I took 6 months off any supplement to start clean and see if something like this really improves results.

I am doing cardio every other day for an hour and eating 4 times a day. Once I start on the SAN Tight I plan to change to 6 smaller meals, and keep the cardio. I lift weights everyday, but have not been achieving the ripped look I want. To keep it short I will give this one a try and post results on Dec 5th.

Starting at 252#, and 23%BF. I am 6'1 and trying to get to 220# with around 15% BF in three months.

Keep motivated, NOTHING comes easy, but if no partial results in 3 weeks, F*** IT, I'll save my liver for bourbon'! Damn right I don't mean the street in New Orleans!

[bodymasterz]

SAN TIGHT, at least for me. I have NOT used this. After reading page 1 through 12 i found the best things that meet my needs were in SAN Tight, Lipo 6 and MAN Scorch. But then I ruled out the ones that lean too much on appetite suppresant (Scorch and Lipo 6) and I was left with SAN Tight, since it claims to remove fat cells to "better burning ratio areas"...all in all it makes some miracle like claims, but I will give it a try. I took 6 months off any supplement to start clean and see if something like this really improves results.

I am doing cardio every other day for an hour and eating 4 times a day. Once I start on the SAN Tight I plan to change to 6 smaller meals, and keep the cardio. I lift weights everyday, but have not been achieving the ripped look I want. To keep it short I will give this one a try and post results on Dec 5th.

Starting at 252#, and 23%BF. I am 6'1 and trying to get to 220# with around 15% BF in three months.

Keep motivated, NOTHING comes easy, but if no partial results in 3 weeks, F*** IT, I'll save my liver for bourbon'! Damn right I don't mean the street in New Orleans!

Looks good, but I'm going to try Thermoloid fat burner because it does a lot of stuff like Tight! does but its almost 4 times the serving size. It burns fat, and blocks carbs/fat too, plus has the appetite suppressant. Will update. Thermonex is ok too, but maybe the serving size is a bit small.

[Outside backer]

san tight didnt do **** for me

[YuoGotOwn3d]

yeah San Tight didnt do anything for me either. Didnt do anything different with how I worked out or ate. The results I got were just the same as not taking it.

[Droptank]

I'd say Lipo-6 is good for not having ephedra, although everything out there is absolute crap next to the weakest ephedra pill.
Where do I get some????????????

[Raffael]

what does everyone think of VPX redline???

[HYP3R]

Anyway I can see the results of this thread?? For example, can an admin post like a bar graph or just the ratings for all the different products that were listed here? Which was best, which was worse. I really don't want to sift through page after page, cuz it really gets confusing after 10 people suggest a product, only to have that same product being called sucky by the next 10 people.

[freak aleak]

red acid
scorch

[RogueLift]

Anyway I can see the results of this thread?? For example, can an admin post like a bar graph or just the ratings for all the different products that were listed here? Which was best, which was worse. I really don't want to sift through page after page, cuz it really gets confusing after 10 people suggest a product, only to have that same product being called sucky by the next 10 people.
I dont know if retroactive polls are even possible on vbulletin. However, even if it were it would:
A) take awhile for 1 admin to pool all the data together
B) would as you mention, have 10 positive reviews for a product negated by the next 10 people claiming it sucked, etc.

I read all the reviews and narrowed it down to Redline, Scorch, Lipo-6 (kind of iffy according to the reviews here), ThermoRexin, Tight!

I ended up choosing Redline, and feel that it is a pretty solid product, more based upon my results with it giving me crazy sweats while I am working out, with a solid jolt of energy. Having said that, I am not stuck to it. Next time I think I want to try Scorch or Tight, if not an E/C stack. (this is not to say I wouldnt buy Redline again, but I also like to know that Im not missing out on other positive products)

Hope this helps, and unfortunatley, as you have figured out, there isnt going to be 1 resounding "product x is the best" on this board, different products work for different folks. Also some people are, believe it or not, paid/supplied with product for their positive public statements.

[DesertBound]

Almost all of these products have the same or similer ingrediants, lets take a look:

Synephrine HCL: (basically speed) gets your HR up, your BP up, your CNS going. This is what companies are using in place of ephedrine for the "speedy" effect, of course this chemical also reduces your appetite as anything with a "speedy" effect will. If you like jitters and high bp, youll love this...

Caffeine (anhydrous usp): its caffene, its in coffee, HR up, BP up, CNS up, appetite down. Too much and stacked with synephrine and you WILL start to jitter.

Guggulesterones: there soppose help burn fat, makes you sweat and feel warm when ingested, there are some interesting reports on this stuff if you search for it. Might work, might just be some crap that makes you warm.. lol

Yohimbine HCL: not a fat loss agent, makes me horny tho, i like it

Bioperine: not a fat loss agent, this increases the ability of your body to absorb nutrients, sounds good, i like it

NONE of these ingredients are direct fat burners except for maybe the guggulesterone stuff. They work SYNERGISTLY to HELP you loose weight.

Synephrine/Caffeine/any other speed = More energy, More likely to work out, do cardio, sweat, higher HR, therefore - higher metabolism - less weight.

mix that with Guggels to make you sweat more (you feel like your losing weight), yohimbine to make you horny (nice), and bioperine to help you absorb more vits/minerals (this is good for you) and you have a pretty decent SUPPLEMENT (i guess), But this stuff should SUPPLEMENT you woking out, and eating correctly.

THOSE ARE THE TWO FOUNDATIONS OF FAT LOSS:
1>Cardio AND Resistance training (cardio to increase your metabolism to burn fat) and resistance training to enlarge your muscles so they burn more calories.
2>Your diet. 6 SMALL meals PER DAY. 1 portion carbs, 1 protein.

YOUR SUPPLEMENT SHOULD NEVER BE YOUR FOUNDATION FOR FAT LOSS!
__________________________________________________ _____________

ever!

(thats why its called a supplement)!!!!!!!!!

You absolutly, WILL loose weight if you eat like this and train like this.

The SUPPLEMENTS you take will HELP you along but your body needs to be put in the right "mode" to reduce your fat stores and increase muscle.

You could take all these supps stacked together (lipo-6, hot rox, surge, shoot, spit , fire, volacano) and it wouldnt do **** except kill you from an OD of synephrine/caffeine. and if you eat 3 meals of FAT and High Fructose Corn Syrup and sit on your ass all day, even if you only consume 1500 calories, you will get fat as hell. You would probably get fatter even if you ate 1 TIME a day, and all you ate was a couple bottles of soda and bige fries.

Learn how and why your body stores fat and sugar in fat and you will learn what NOT to do (which is what ANYONE who is fat is doing, by the way).

Try this: do the above cardo/training/diet. Take a supplement (fat loss) whatever one has the prettiest label (it doesnt matter)

and:
Remove simple sugars from your diet (including any white bread or cake or doughnut, or sugar in coffee/tea.
Get rid of anything that has High Fructose Corn Syryup in it, especially those damned workout drinks that have it (what a joke)
Drink more water (its not hard, just do it)
Do NOT eat ANYTHING fried damn it. Fish/Shrinp/Chicken Nuggets veggies, ARE NOT good for you after they have been cooked that way. If they were, we would all be eating fried protein shakes and loosing weight!!!!
DO NOT drink tons of OJ or MILK (way too much simple sugar)

Do, drink protein shakes 2 or 3 a day, do eat breakfast EVERYDAY, use splenda in your coffee instead of sugar or nutrasweet/whatever(they are neurotoxins), eat veggies EVERY DAY , baked fish/chicken/turkey/beef/ whatever, i would skip ham and no prime rib for gods sake. Eat oatmeal, or wheat bread, wheat pasta, baked potatoes, and other good carbs.

If a "fat" person where to follow just ONE suggestion above, they probably would loose a little weight
"(ive seen dramatic weight loss just by people switching from light and sweat coffees to skim milk with splenda)".

But if your serious, and you follow most of the suggestions, you will feel better, shed fat lbs like crazy, sleep better, have better sex, more energy, more focus, less stress. Anyone who begins doing all of the above and doesnt get results, email me, and ill come over and kick yur ass because you would be full of crap. peace

DB

[squatking1000lb]

I just joined this site, and i have a lot of questions. I lift a little, but not much since i graduated last year. I ended that school year with this:

Squat: 600lb
Bench: 360
Clean:225

I am looking to lose some fat, i am a big guy. I am taking HydroxyCut, the new formula, but i need a steady diet, and the what not to eat and what to eat guide. does anybidy have any advice?

[ju6ganutz]

does ephedra ever go bad? a buddy of mine has a bottle from awhiles who only used 2 pills... those 2 pills gave him the jitters so he let it collect dust... now im takin the bottle from him for $20... does it ever go bad?


xenadrine... right now im using an old bottle of stacker 3 w/ ephedra

[DesertBound]

Take a capsule, open it up. If the stuff inside is dark brown and hard, its stale, but it might still work. Take one and see what happens. If the stuff inside is light to medium brown and flaky or dusty its like new and should work fine. If its black, throw it away.

Take one to start off with and see what happens. The usual dose is 2 caps, 2-3 times a day. But start with 1x 2-3 to see how ya handle it. I could never take 2caps 3x a day, I would freak and doing that can not be good for your cns.

DB

[Marshall Law]

You guys need to check out Thermoloid, I'm currently a tester for the product. I've lost 9 pounds in 8 days: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=638159

It's a 14 day supply, after I'm finished I'll be posting some after pics.

[HYP3R]

Ya post some before and after pics with dates on them. BTW, what part of Texas do you live?

[Marshall Law]

Ya post some before and after pics with dates on them. BTW, what part of Texas do you live?


Fort Worth, how about you?

[tks7158]

If you had to pick just ONE ephedra-free fat burning product, what would be the best one?

I would have to say VPX redline. This stuff is comparable to doing lines of crank. Just be careful with it.

[BB2K]

Like Marshal. I too take Thermoloid. I love this product! No shakes or jitters and no "crash" when it is done! I was 218lbs and now I am 210lbs. Lost 8 lbs in the same time frame as Marshall. Have a few more Thermoloid pills left so I will post my after pics as soon as I am finished. My Thermoloid log link is in my sig.

Try it, you'll like it!

[cyburke]

Biotest MD6 was the best ever.. I still had a few left from the original batch from a few years ago... Took one this morning. Hoooooo SNAP! :D

[Jaronbor]

I have been useing Ephedrine for about 7 years (25mil and 200-400 mil of caffine). I use no more than 100 mil of ephadrine a day and will be useing about 5 days a week. Has anyone herd of any "psychotic episodes" while DRINKING AND USEING EPHADRINE?

"WMore than 60 adverse events — suicide, psychotic episodes, seizure, stroke and cardiovascular events ranging from hypertension to myocardial infarction — have been reported in Canada.2 hen I just "

[MegaTwon]

It depends on your genetic make up. Lipo-6 didn't do much for me, but SAN Tight kicked butt. If you stack CLA with any of those you should see positive results. CLA is the bomb!

[yahyo]

I just recently finished a log on Thermoloid. In 15 days on this thermogenic, i lost 3% bodyfat, but i was maintaining a 100% diet and training 4-5 days a week. Check out the log in my signature if you want to see before and after pictures.

Even when i finished the log i was skeptical, but the before and after pictures and the numbers made me a firm believer in the product. I'm definately goin to use it in the future.

[Cyrus317]

Well Gentlemen, I have been fighting this mighty battle pretty much since my birth, so I empathize with ya'll. I've tried just about everything, including exercise til exhaustion, and I'm almost to the point of resigning myself to surgery, but not quite yet. So here is my experiences with exercise and supps:

First, let me state I think my problem is the result of a genetically slow metabolism. My body temp is below normal (by about 3 degrees), my heart beat tends to stay pretty low (take 10 minutes of hard-hard running before it decides to bounce over 128, which is considered to be my fat burning zone), and I'm always tired. Add that to the fact that everyone in my family is fat, and there ya go.

But, all is not lost! In 8th grade, I was 5'4" 190 lbs! That's about the time I took up heavy athletics. Over the course of about 5 months I had dropped to 150 lbs. with no supps. Of course, I was doing wrestling, track, football, and weight training. As anyone will tell you, the key to losing weight is staying physically active, but that is not really what this thread is about.

Now, how to supplement activity to burn weight... That's a little tougher. I started back in the day with the old Hydroxycut. That's BEFORE the ephedra ban. The stuff did wonders to suppress my apetite and even gave me some energy without to many jitters. But, there was a caveat. I didn't understand my body then, so I would simply NOT eat while the hydroxycut suppressed my appetite. BAD IDEA. This slows down your metabolism, as your body (from years of evolution) goes into conservation mode and starts burning unused muscle instead of fat. If if does this, you'll just start to look gaunt and have that those fat deposits bulging from your skin and bones. Do like you've seen on these board and eat somewhere between 4-6 meals a day, small in portion and fat, but high in nutrients. Also, supplement it with a multivitam. Nutrients like Chromium and Iron will help your metabolism function like it should.

Now, what to do after the ephedra ban? Well, I tried ephedra-free Hydroxycut (it did crap for me), then Xenadrine (which just made me jittery and kept me from sleeping, although it DID keep me from gaining weight), Xenacal (same as Xenedrine in effects), Metabolife (kept me focussed and I lost a few pounds, but that also had ephedra), Lipo-6 (didn't notice much in the way of jitters, but also no real increase in focus, energy, and most importantly, didn't really lose more than 1-2 pounds, which came back afterwards), and Sesathin (just stick with Fish Oil instead unless you need the liver support, which this is pretty good at).

Moral of the story, I found nothing without ephedra which I found to be real helpful. So, the solution: Take ephedra. Recently, I read up on the ECA and ECY stax. Do a quick search on them and you'll get some more info. I've tried both. I prefer ECA, because I get tight in the chest and headaches on ECY. That doesn't mean YOU will, but I DID. They are both excellent at increasing focus, decreaing apetite (making those small meals easier), making you WANT to exercise (drive can sometimes be an obstacle, but not if you try this), and losing weight.

So, if you are trying to lose some weight, there are no miracles, but you will probably find this effective enough. If you take it and exercise, you will feel a little warmer than normal; this is normal. But, you will also lose weight (more than the average supp support, and usually cheaper). If you take this and don't exercise, you will still lose pounds, but if you go off (and you'll have to eventually, cuz your body builds tolerance to caffeine), you'll gain it back quickly.

Happy cardio-ing,

~C.G.

[Cyrus317]

In regards to that ECA/ECY stack. You will notice that you are to stack aspirin in on it. I have yet to read any scientific evidence as to why this is. The best I can figure, it's one of two things:

Possibility #1: ECA/ECY increase internal pressure on the body due to its stimulant effects on the CNS. Therefore, the aspirin part of the stack is merely an attemtp to circumvent any negative effects on blood pressure. (NOTE: I am not sure it has such negative effects. I am only trying to rationalize the use of aspirin in the stack)

Possibility #2: Aspirin is known to thin the blood. This is beneficial in that it reduces blood pressure, but also decreases the volume of nutrients in the blood. This, in turn, leads to a decrease in vasculaization in the low priority regions of the body. Large fat deposits, therefore, receive less nutrient support, and tend to break apart. Fat is KNOWN to become motile in small quantities when the deposits are not receiving adequate support or vascularization. These motile fat deposits may reattach (in a fatty oil rich environment) or are destroyed by the body. Therefore, taking aspirin and exercising causes the breaking loose of excess fat cells, which are then destroyed by the body.

These are both THEORIES! I am actually writing this to ask if anyone knows better than I. I was once told (on another message board) that aspirin has a synnergistic effect with the other two drugs. Again, feel free to verify if you know specifics.

Sincerely,
C.G.

[racinghart]

I would go with Nutrex Lipo 6 EF. I have used it and saw incredible results with it. In 3 weeks, i lost about 10 to 12 pounds of fat with no signifant loss in muscle size. I am currently at 17.5% bodyfat and hope to get it down to 10-13%. I weigh at 175 right now and I am 17 years old. I will use Lipo-6 for a month and half and I will stack it with Avant Lab's Lipoderm-Ultra at the start of the 3rd week. I'll let anyone who is interested on my progress. Oh yeah, I will be consuming about 280-300 grams of protein, 200 grams of carb and 20-30 grams of fat. Lift MAX-OT style. Guerilla cardio on Mon., Wed., and Friday morning. and MAX-OT cardio on sat.

hey bro... maybe i missed it somewhere in the other replies.. but when you said in 3 weeks you lost 10 to 12 lbs... did you do anything in your actual diet to help it? like eat less calories or did you assume all things constant and lost the weight? i guess im just pretty excited cause mine is on the way just ordered from bb.com, and i was wondering if i should change my diet to help the pills. thanks bro

[coheed6566]

Well i've tried a lot of different fat burners ( Hydroxycut, Tight, Hot-Rox, and Rev) and the only one that i really saw work (meaning lost weight) was Hydroxycut. The problem i had with it though was that as soon as i stopped taking Hydroxycut i put all the weight i lost right back on. Hot-Rox worked for me too plus i didn't put back the weight i lost. I was 232lbs beginning of 2005 and now i'm 188lbs. I attribute my fat and weight loss to cleaning up my diet and getting more serious in working out but supplements really did push me in the right direction faster. I recommend Hot-Rox for those in for the long run. For those looking to get ripped fast for a comp or something take Hydroxycut. Oh btw, has anyone heard about this Hydroxycut Hardcore? I just heard about it and was wondering what the hype is about.

[bryon_13]

Has anyone tried MuscleTech ThermoGain at all? im just wondering if it gives the results it boasts. I'd like to give it a try but does anyone have any first hand knowledge of this product?

[OldskoolBULK]

I'm interested in this "phenomenon" called hotrox. I just started taking it, and can already feel gains in energy and drive/intensity when at the gym.
Also I find myself with hunger pains, but when I try to eat some say, oatmeal, I find myself gagging. I cram it down anyways(no pain no gain!). If anyone has experiences with this product please post them! Im eager to hear!! Also, the NEW hydroxycut HARDCORE claims to raise norepinephrine levels upto 40% and body fat loss of 4%!!!! Thats insane!! Has anyone tried this hydroxycut hardcore? And is muscletech supplements(fat loss mainly, im happy with EAS MRP's) worth the steep cost?

[Kraftydog]

avoid any supplement (which includes hot-rox) with guggulsterones
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=466547

as far as ephedra free and stimulant based
Thermorexin
Cardio breeze
plain ol' caffeine

[iced_maggot]

well everyone, i cant speak for all yall americans out there but for any aussies out there, i have found that aussie fatburners suck quite frankly, i cancualted it and you get about 37 extra caories burnt per serve and youre meant to take just one serve. that was the best result i got and that was dymetadrine extreme, but thermogen by bodyripped was another fairly good one. but avoid the liquid crap, stick to tabs

[ironMachine525]

I'm interested in this "phenomenon" called hotrox. I just started taking it, and can already feel gains in energy and drive/intensity when at the gym.
Also I find myself with hunger pains, but when I try to eat some say, oatmeal, I find myself gagging. I cram it down anyways(no pain no gain!). If anyone has experiences with this product please post them! Im eager to hear!! Also, the NEW hydroxycut HARDCORE claims to raise norepinephrine levels upto 40% and body fat loss of 4%!!!! Thats insane!! Has anyone tried this hydroxycut hardcore? And is muscletech supplements(fat loss mainly, im happy with EAS MRP's) worth the steep cost?

hydroxycut hardcore...i saw this over at the GNC corperate store in the mall and i've seen the claims Muscle T has made in the past with their products,Some of their products is worth a shot so go for it

[stephenlouis]

I am not too sure about these fat burners at all, but....

I started out just taking green tea extract 400mg x3 aday with CLA(Conjugated Linoleic Acid ) it SEEMED to work for about 4 weeks, my weight lose around my stomach was dropping a bit faster then i deserved based on my work outs. When that petered out I switched to product called "Rev". The first few days of taking this product gave me the sweats and a bit of anxiety.Now it makes me slightly euphoric and gives me a boost in energy...I do not know if it is working as a fat burner yet, as I am only 1/2 though the first bottle.

[305-Raul]

When i first took Zantrex-3 I lost 17 pounds in the first 10 days but after that i didnt notice any more loss in weight

[HeHateMe16]

hey bro... maybe i missed it somewhere in the other replies.. but when you said in 3 weeks you lost 10 to 12 lbs... did you do anything in your actual diet to help it? like eat less calories or did you assume all things constant and lost the weight? i guess im just pretty excited cause mine is on the way just ordered from bb.com, and i was wondering if i should change my diet to help the pills. thanks bro

Yea I'm pretty curious too. I got my Lipo on the way too man. I'm trying to figure out how I'm gonna cut this weight quick while being in college it's tough to have a good meal in a dorm room. Let me know if he replies to you in an email or anything. I'd like to get more info. too.

Thanks man

[ephedrinjunkie]

What's up everyone?!?!?!

Where are you getting your ephedra nowadays? I just ran out of the "pre-ban" stash that I had. Short of an ephedra stack, nothing compares (in my opinion), but then again I am a bit bias (look at the name). :-)

Stacker 2's with ephedra + cup of black coffee, on an empty stomach are without a doubt the best way to go. I have not even attempted the most recent stuff on the market. It has been working for me since I was 21!!

Now I add 2-3 CLA a day (one when I am doing the stack) and CLA seems to help target the stomach area.

I am curious though about AMP, etc...IF....they are somewhat as powerful and minimize some of the side-effects, which can sometimes be a bit annoying (lack of sleep, jitters, etc).

Your thoughts?

[korexite]

avoid any supplement (which includes hot-rox) with guggulsterones
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=466547

as far as ephedra free and stimulant based
Thermorexin
Cardio breeze
plain ol' caffeine


guggulsterones are a plague

[DesertBound]

I decided that it is a BAD idea to keep taking products with guggel anything in it. You can do a search and read all the news but in short, it blocks up testosterone receivers on cells so that the test cant get in, Does NOTHING to T3/T4 levels, the data was F-d up (on purpose), it wipes out STATINS and alot of other prescription drugs by causing the liver to secrete more enzymes that break those products down (IE if it can cause your body to eliminate a statin to the point of making it completely innefective, imagine what else its doing). DOnt imagine it, just stop taking this crap. ECA stack is the way to go. BTW, VPX redline is like doing crank and coke mixed together but its GOT TO beat the **** out of your CNS

[njcollegeguy06]

what about Hoodia to supress hunger?

[pureenergy]

I have to give sad news to the men here at least, I found Lipo-6 to not stimulate myself or my brother in any way -- though -- it did give my sister moderate energy but she didn't experience any weight loss (we all stayed essentially stable for a month run).

On the other hand, the EC/Y stack has been working phenomally on myself (and my brother) in junction with Sesamin (from Scivation), Flexseed Oil, and Fish Oil supplementation.

If anyone is having problems responding to these pre-made stacks, I really recommend you just order some Ephedrine HCL and Caffeine and take that (EC), also DO read sawatea's thread on the EC/Y stack -- it's very informative -- http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=316758

Regarding Sesamin: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/beast21.htm a great article!

Good luck and DO eat right (as that is one of the biggest contributors) and work out routinely for results :)

[pu12en12g]

red acid
scorch

Yep

[storm58]

i am currently using Hot Rox and its a ok product does a good job but u have to take it as directed exactly on the bottle or it doesn't work. does a good job of curbing my hunger but i don't get a energy boost like i did from stacker or xenadrine. but a good product.

[blind0527]

How do you guys feel about Dymetadrine Xtreme EF from AST-SS?

13 pages is a lot, includes a lot of info! My supplements are whey protein and creatine. Will the Dymetadrine work well with these? I see a good review about them a few posts above me, but is it suitable for the supplements I am taking currently? Any info will help!

[Cyrus317]

How do you guys feel about Dymetadrine Xtreme EF from AST-SS?

13 pages is a lot, includes a lot of info! My supplements are whey protein and creatine. Will the Dymetadrine work well with these? I see a good review about them a few posts above me, but is it suitable for the supplements I am taking currently? Any info will help!
Lemme get this straight b4 I answer your question. you are taking JUST protein and creatine? That's all your products contain? It's not protein with ______ in it or creatine with _____ in it? And what type of creatine is it? You need to be as specific as possible. Just like pharmacists and doctors need to know if you are taking any other medications for reaction purposes, so do we if we are going to try to assess any problems you may run into

[blind0527]

Lemme get this straight b4 I answer your question. you are taking JUST protein and creatine? That's all your products contain? It's not protein with ______ in it or creatine with _____ in it? And what type of creatine is it? You need to be as specific as possible. Just like pharmacists and doctors need to know if you are taking any other medications for reaction purposes, so do we if we are going to try to assess any problems you may run into

I take AST Micronized creatine, with Body Fortress 100% Whey protein, which I may be changing to ON 5 lb. Gold Whey protein. My budget is about 65 dollars right now, so I would like to keep it in the 55-60 dollar range for these products. I've heard some pretty good things about the Dymetadrine. If not that product, can anyone help me decide a good fat burner, in the 18-22 dollar range that is the best bang for the buck with the supplements I am currently taking? I have been looking at AMP as well. Maybe someone will recommend against me getting a "fat" burner, maybe Red Bull is just an option for pre workout energy?

[palanilopez12]

Rev XP worked pretty well for me...and yes xenadrine does absolutely nothing...i tried stacker 3 xplc but my body couldn't handle it...but it gives you a real kick

[gbuzzz]

I come off my ECA stack and started on LIPO 6, ephadra free. would definately recommend them. Have you thought about the fat loss cream by NUTRASPORT? This is also a top choice in my book!

I have heard by pro's that the main ingredient in Nutrasports Cutting Gel is actually a chemical found in radiator fluid. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

Im currently using Lipo -6 early days still but looks promising. Also as many people do say it doesnt matter what you take if you still intake alot of food. Controlled dieat + suppliments has helped me loose 40kg

[spyvox2]

I know the radiator contains coolant...
The most common coolant base is ethylene glycol. The other glycol is propylene glycol. The main difference between the two is that propylene glycol is less toxic..
Coolants have a variety of additives, usually the additive package is made up of:
-borax (asorbs acid)
-phosphate (buffer of acid and retards cavitation)
-water
-sodium silicate (for aluminum protection)
-trizoles (forgot, all i know is that it forms a film over metal ions or something)
-phosphorescent dye
-sodium molybdate (an expensive corrosion inhibitior for heat rejecting aluminum)
and a bunch of other additives..
This list ^ goes for conventional coolant and I'm thinking propylene glycol contains organic acid additives.. not sure

I looked at Nutrasports cutting gel and i found that one of the ingredients is propylene glycol though.

btw I like san tight and scivation sesamin!

[knowsitall]

There are no good Ephedrine free fat burners. Ephedrine all the way. But if I had to choose one it would be the VPX Redline

[Brasileiro]

Guys i have tried almost all the products out there. Sure they all work but barely.... I have tried lipo 6, Hydroxcut( all of there products) T-burn and many many others..... I recently stareted taking HOT ROX and all i can say is wow! This is the only product i have ever taken where i dont feel jittery, i feel ocmletly normal , until i hit the weight- then all of this energy comes out of nowhere! Thanks to this product i have finally gotten over my plateu and started dropping pounds again. Guys I swear buy trhis stuff, its a little more expensive, but well, well worth it!!!

[spyvox2]

Hey, my friend gave me a few samples of hot rox to try and I had the same experience :D. I would feel normal until I hit the weights or something..
So far I like it better than lipo-6..

[Kerry77]

I've used Ripped Fuel in the past and it worked well for me. But, I also watched my diet and upped my cardio quite a bit as well

[pinoyhero]

Hey all,
My girl is looking to give her workouts, largely cardio a little boost. Looking for something relatively natural and not too hardcore, green tea based ect. I've heard a fwe negative things about guggle. Can anyone provide me with a recommendation for her. As noted she's a novice for the most part, her program is:

Day 1 Full Body weights
Day 3, 4, 5 cardio

Real simple

Any help on something that's not going to really mess with her would be much appriciated.

[sk1tz]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/nx/rev.html

Tell her if she gets anxious or starts to sweat alot when first taking it to lower dosage. I personally just take 2 right before i work out. She's going to have to clean-up her diet though if she hasn't already, regardless of what supplement she takes.

[pinoyhero]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/nx/rev.html

Tell her if she gets anxious or starts to sweat alot when first taking it to lower dosage. I personally just take 2 right before i work out. She's going to have to clean-up her diet though if she hasn't already, regardless of what supplement she takes.

Thanks alot man, looks largely natural as far as ingredients, I'll order them for her and see what she thinks, I really appriciate the assistance.

[sk1tz]

Sure bro let me know what she thinks of it.

[SuicidalLifter]

can someone please tell me what the fuss is all about for this "Red Acid" and other color named products...!?

any good or just another market scam?

thanks

[slickb0i]

Hey guys,

I've been reading these threads for awhile but couldnt post since my account had issues. But now everything is good, and after reading this section, i have a few questions. First off, what is this ECY and the other E...somthing that people stack? And can i get it from anywhere near me ( I live in Morris Plains, NJ). I hear that Ephedra works really well, and was interested in it, but there is no place to find it which sucks. And has anyone tried the new Hydroxycut Advanced Formula? And if yes, is it any good because i've tried Hydroxycut before with no success. THanks guys, any help is truly appreciated.

Pete

[E-Go]

You can get Ephedra in most gas stations on the counter

Best Stack nowadays is
Tonalin CLA. 2 pills, 3 times a day. Or 1 pill - 6 times

Studies show CLA blocking Lipase, an enzyme in you stomach that stores fat.

Methyl Ripped (NxCare), Hydroxycut Hardcore(Muscletech), or Lipo 6(Nutrex...I think)

and a Hoodia product.

Vitamin Shoppe has one thats 500mg per pill and Lean XP (NxCare) are both good. Lean is nice because it has diuretics in it as well...

All in all....its like 18 pills, but its the best (in my opinion)

[E-Go]

ECY is Ephedra - Caffeine - Yohimbe...I think

Yohimbe is an herb that increases blood flow and libido

[slickb0i]

I dont think the gas stations near where i live have ephedra. Is there an alternative?


edit: is there any places in NJ that has ephedra still?, or on a canadian site?

[Cyrus317]

I dont think the gas stations near where i live have ephedra. Is there an alternative?


edit: is there any places in NJ that has ephedra still?, or on a canadian site?

While I have heard Bolt Ephedrine is by far and away the best stuff out there (b/c it doesn't contain Guaifenesin, unlike the ephedrine HCl that is out there), I have yet to find it. However, I have used Vasopro, and it seems to do the job pretty well for me. Here's the link:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mp/vaso.html

If you can't order this, then I don't know why (it must be your state's law. I have no problems with ordering it here.

[slickb0i]

Thanks man, Im most likely going to order it. But I skimmed through the description and it was mainly for helping people to breathe better. So Im guessing that I just take this and work-out regularly, and it will have similar effects as Ephedra? Sounds good.

P.S Is this the same Bolt Epehdrine your mentioned in your response?

http://secure.mycart.net/catalogs/catalog.asp?prodid=3527717&showprevnext=1

[Cyrus317]

Thanks man, Im most likely going to order it. But I skimmed through the description and it was mainly for helping people to breathe better. So Im guessing that I just take this and work-out regularly, and it will have similar effects as Ephedra? Sounds good.

P.S Is this the same Bolt Epehdrine your mentioned in your response?

http://secure.mycart.net/catalogs/catalog.asp?prodid=3527717&showprevnext=1


While I could take the time to explain all of these, it will suffice to tell you a few basic facts. First of all, ephedra is an herbal supplement. In ephedra is the active substance ephedrine, which is what is contained in ephedrine HCl products. So not only will products like VasoPro have similar effects as ephedra, they will have the SAME effects (in fact, I find them to be more active than their herbal counterparts). Second, although it is listed as an asthma medication, the straight and simple truth is that that is only one of its uses. In the same way and anti-histimine helps combat certain allergies when an allergic reaction occurs, ephedrine will help combat the symptoms of asthma (especially athletic induced asthma). While it really DOES do this, most companies are simply using that as a legally defensible position for selling the product that many are using as a diet pill. If you recall the ephedra ban, this was one of the only reasons the drug was later reinstated.

For more info, look here:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=316758

Good luck, but please check out the entire thread I just posted before you start playing with the ECY stack and exercising. I, myself, would not recommend that particular stack, but I have found ECA (which you can also read about in the link) to be very effective.

[stonetrooper]

VPX Redline

[JinkX]

well how about the zero G fat burner ??
is it good ??
i think its kinda strong ... and good in the same way ..

[OUFBALL09]

I dont think the gas stations near where i live have ephedra. Is there an alternative?


edit: is there any places in NJ that has ephedra still?, or on a canadian site?

hey bro, PM me....i know website you can order this:

HI Tech Lipodrene with EPHEDRA / 100 Tabs
25MG Of The Most Potent Ephedra Around.

Proprietary Blend: 660mg
Consisting of: Sida Cordifolia Extract (leaves)(supplying 25 mg. Ephedrine Group Alkaloids)
Citrus Aurantium 10% (fruit)
U.S.P. Caffeine 100mg
5-Hydroxytrptophan
5-Methoxytryptamine
Green Tea Extract (leaves)
Cassia Nomame (whole plant)
Hoodia 12:1 Extract (Cactus)
Yohimbe 8% Extact (bark)
Naringen (fruit).

[slickb0i]

PM Sent.

[BIGtripper]

I work at a GNC and have heard the greatest positive feedback from customers on the new Hydroxycut Hardcore. Powerful stuff!!!!

[weakling88]

SO this VasoPro stuff works? I just turned 18 and am 5'8 195 and play baseball. I've always had toruble with my endurance and keeping my weight down due to poor diet. I take medications for asthma but they are not meant to control asthma while running, this VasoPro stuff sounds like it works plus it's cheap! I read it is NOT a fat burner/diet pill, if it is a diet pill + soemthing that will loosen up my chest and help with my hard breathing while running it seems liek the perfetc fit for me. Help anyone? PLEASE!

[joecool4579]

used to be muscle tech

[Cyrus317]

SO this VasoPro stuff works? I just turned 18 and am 5'8 195 and play baseball. I've always had toruble with my endurance and keeping my weight down due to poor diet. I take medications for asthma but they are not meant to control asthma while running, this VasoPro stuff sounds like it works plus it's cheap! I read it is NOT a fat burner/diet pill, if it is a diet pill + soemthing that will loosen up my chest and help with my hard breathing while running it seems liek the perfetc fit for me. Help anyone? PLEASE!

I'm not a doctor, so you need to start by rereading this sentence a few times...

OK, done? Now, ephedrine HCl (like Vasopro) are sold over the counter to relieve symptoms of asthma (like tightness in the chest). I'm not sure what your sentence about "fat burner/diet pill" was all about, but let me tell you that you will definitely lose weight on this stuff. BUT, If you are already taking asthma medication, I'd speak to your doctor about interactions. Ephedrine acts as a vaso-constricter and a brachio-dialator (boy, the spelling was awful. sorry). That means it is having physiological effects on your lungs and heart. I don't know what effects you may already have from your asthma medication, but I wouldn't advise taking both without finding out, and if your asthma is bad enough, I wouldn't advise going off your asthma meds just to take ephedra.

It does help me to breath easier (vasopro) and it does give me loads of energy and make me feel like a race horse (I feel like I can just run forever on this stuff), but I DON'T have asthma. Be careful with this stuff. It's not candy, and you are pretty young to be causing damage to your body just now. Ask your doctor, and if he says its cool, give it a try. You'll like the results. If he says no, don't screw around with it. There are other ways to lose weight.

Peace,

[uhockey]

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[MASTER175]

the best fat burner is working out and a proper diet

[Jayy01]

Cardio and a penis pump

[Jayy01]

Im very fat, what should i do. I can't see my dick.
Cardio and a penis pump man

[Iraq2006]

Basic Cuts

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What is basic cut is this a new supplement? I'm currently taking lipo6 only about a week so I can't tell you if it works but by the 3rd week if i don't see any weight lost or inches then I'm going to want to change to something else.

[Go Fast James]

I was on ripped fuel way back it worked the best at the time.
It helped that I was real ative all most every day. Lost alot of weight(fat)
I was not eating the best for me foods all the time.
Well I got mest up in a car wreck so I could not do much wich then I stoped takeing it and put most of the fat back on damit I hate thiking about that.

Well I am takeing Htdroxycut Hardcore its working prity good.
I just dont like Muscletech at all. I fond some real people that where on it and lost some good weight(fat) so I was like what the hell I will try it.
When I am done with it I am going to take Clenbuterol.

[PhatAss]

I've just got off a 2 month Hydroxycut Hardcore cycle and while it was definitely effective, I will not be going back to it. First off, Hydroxycut Hardcore works by causing your body to release a stress hormone. This signals your body to release more fat from its stores to use as energy. Sounds great. Problem is, this increased stress hormone level also causes the release of other hormones, including cortisol. I didn't loose much if anything from my stomach while on Hydroxycut Hardcore. Since I've stopped taking it, while keeping everything else the same, the fat is quickly coming off my abs.
Also I became a raging PITA while on this. Always pissed off, stressed out, ready to rip someone's head off. A small price to pay for accelerated fat loss, but it just became too much. Started getting the stress headaches, neck aches, etc. Long term elevated levels of these hormones can lead to many heath problems. It's not worth risking your health to get ripped.

So again, it was effective. I lost 15 lbs in 2 months while gaining muscle. The side effects and risk of long term problems are just too much for me to continue using it.

[juggalomike]

ive been taking hot rox and it works great, one thing though, for people trying to stay away from ephedra, alot of the current fat burners that are now ephedra free have an herb in them call yohimbe, it has the exact same affect as ephedra and the same side affects, if you are someone with heart problems i would recomend staying away from those types of pills. I myself am currently taking hot rox which is working great for me, it does not have yohimbe in it and it realy doesnt stimulate the heart except for the small ammount of caffeine in it

[bigjosh230]

I have used a ephedrine/caffeine stack and biotest hot-rox before. I am now on hydroxycut hardcore and I can say that hot-rox is the best for continuous fat loss and hydroxycut hardcore is no better than drinking a glass of green tea a day.

[gogoman]

#1 BioQuest's Tetrazene ES-50, #2 Pro Sources Provadex, and #3 Aquarius Pharmaceuticals Thermadrol

All 3 are very good products. I tried Xenadrine EFX extra strength, and it was ok, not bad, but not as good as the 3 above

[mattlew62]

has anybody used a fat burning product called red x, my buddy's using it with good results the guy at the store told us that its basically an ECA stack with more stuff in just wondering if anybodys used or heard of it before, it's supposed to be almost pharmaceutical quality, anyways let me know what u think and how it compares to hot rox and if u all think it's pretty safe???

[digita1dolly]

Recieved my redline liquid tooday, Id say this is definatly the way to go. Its certainly got some kick!

[RogueLift]

Recieved my redline liquid tooday, Id say this is definatly the way to go. Its certainly got some kick!
Ive been using mine off and on and think its got some serious kick to it as well. I dont know yet whether or not I will buy another bottle when I finish this one..I might try HotRox instead.

[digita1dolly]

Hey Rogue!
Yeah serious kick
Im same as you though Im not sure if Im going to get another bottle after this I fancy trying the hotrox too. Im finding this feeling cold all the time a bit strange but I could handle it now and again. Crazy stuff!

[RogueLift]

Im same as you though Im not sure if Im going to get another bottle after this I fancy trying the hotrox too. Im finding this feeling cold all the time a bit strange but I could handle it now and again. Crazy stuff!
Ive never experienced the cold feeling..but then again Im never really cold, tending to be always a little warm.

I took it again today, and stacked with my Creatine and Arginine, my workout was INTENSE. I think so long as you dont take it every day (to avoid building something of a tolerance) redline is where its at for fat-burners. Having taken regular caffeine, HydroxyCut, etc Redline is by far the best.

[digita1dolly]

Hi Rogue
Have you tried BSN Thermonex? I havent heard anyone talk much about it, but thats something Im thinking of trying. Do you know much about it?

You didnt get the cold feeling, its a bizzare feeling. Nothing wrong with being warm all the time mind you :O)

[RogueLift]

Hi Rogue
Have you tried BSN Thermonex? I havent heard anyone talk much about it, but thats something Im thinking of trying. Do you know much about it?
I havent tried the Thermonex you mention. I dont mind BSN products, but I didnt have great luck with my Nitrix or No-Xplode, so Im a little down on their claims, which are always ful of hyperbole.

[digita1dolly]

I havent heard much on it to be honest with you, Id like to give it a go, maybe someone out theres tried it.
Ive heard good reports on the the no xplode n nitrax, you not impressed :( youre right the hypes always more than the product.
Where you from Rogue?

[AdamWW]

I'm a 21 yr old male, in very good physical condition (6 foot, 160, about 9-10% bf), good blood pressure, all of that. I'm cutting for summer right now and I ordered some ephedrine. I am somewhat reluctant to try it because I have never taken an ephedra-based stack before. Anyways, im fairly resistant to stimulants in general but Im curious if anyone here in my similar physicality had taken the EC stack and had any bad side-effects. I just don't want to keel over with a heart attack, all the bad rap about ephedrine has me spooked. Thanks.

[AdamWW]

You can get Ephedra in most gas stations on the counter

Best Stack nowadays is
Tonalin CLA. 2 pills, 3 times a day. Or 1 pill - 6 times

Studies show CLA blocking Lipase, an enzyme in you stomach that stores fat.

Methyl Ripped (NxCare), Hydroxycut Hardcore(Muscletech), or Lipo 6(Nutrex...I think)

and a Hoodia product.

Vitamin Shoppe has one thats 500mg per pill and Lean XP (NxCare) are both good. Lean is nice because it has diuretics in it as well...

All in all....its like 18 pills, but its the best (in my opinion)


I have tried CLA and my issue is that the amount you have to take is much more than anyone would want to worry about for lmiited results. In addition, CLA has shown in certain studies to actually raise bad cholesterol and sometimes blood-pressure. Also, CLA provides no stimulant effect. It does offer a slight "hardening" but any natural product will fall short of the big guys.

[raimu83]

I should say it is Thermonex
I just start to use it and the first time I use it I got this 'burning' feeling all over my body (since it have the thermogenic effect, which is good) and I have more power
and the best thing is I have lost about 2 inch of my belly
and its only less than a weeks
of course I combine with work out and diet
LOL

Eventhough it quite expensive, but I love the result that I get
and looking forward for the next result
LOL

[RogueLift]

and I have more power
You shouldnt have ANY gains whatsoever in strength as a result of taking a thermogenic. :confused:

[mrhappie45]

has anyone tried Lean EFx by Nutricor??? if so how was it..


here is the product:(link)http://www.*************.com/detail.aspx?ID=2277

or can you compare the ingredients to something you have tried??


thanks..

[raimu83]

You shouldnt have ANY gains whatsoever in strength as a result of taking a thermogenic. :confused:

Just Look What Thermonex EF is Known to Do! (from BB web site)

No Hype, Just Rapid Fat Loss! Get Shredded With Thermonex - Guaranteed!
Results your cant deny!
Rapid Fat Loss From Multiple Pathways!
A Smooth And Sustained Burst Of Energy!
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Increase Performance, And Concentration!
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Control And Suppress The Appetite!
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Well I know that, but I think its more mentally, I feel I have more power even though I am not sure whether it is true or not, but I just feel it.

Anyway Thanks bro.

[-Optional-]

I've tried Biotest Hot-Rox and love it. I've noticed reduced bf % from taking it combined with the weight training and cardio regimin. Just completed my 30 day supply and plan on running it again. It didn't really help fight of the hunger nor did it give me the shakes. It increased my mental clarity and gave me the boost I need to get through my 5am workouts. I recommend it to anyone looking for a Thermo.

-O-

[digita1dolly]

Hi
Has anybody tried HYdrolean containing ephedra by West Pharm?

[mattlew62]

Is it ok to take lipo 6 along with a muscle gainer product like NO XPLODE, right now i'm actually taking a product really similar to No Xplode it's called pump fuel and it's giving me awesome results way better than no xplode I was wondering if it was allright to take them together?

[vanessa40]

Has anyone tried Spike.

Vanessa

[AdamWW]

Hey,

Couldn't help but notice this thread. Anyway, I was in shock recently when I found 2 products new to the market that , believe it or not , contain EPHEDRA... (yes i mean Ephedra, not Ephedrine). You can buy them Legally from a couple websites, and they use the original Ma Huang as well as several other old thermogenic blends. I will be ordering some myself soon and I thought everyone here might like to check them out. It came to my attention that alot of people wanted to know more about Ephedra Free burners simply because they didn't sell them commercially anymore.

Well, here is your chance! I've listed just two examples of such products below, but there are more I am sure. Good luck!

1.) http://www.1*f*a*s*t*4*0*0*.com/?products_id=2468 <--- *Note: BB.com wouldn't let me paste this URL, so just delete the asterisks and you'll have the right link!
2.) http://www.tabolizer.com/corporate/order.asp
---> Note that on #2 the top product on the page is "Tabolizer WITH Ephedra. Cool huh?

[RogueLift]

Well I know that, but I think its more mentally, I feel I have more power even though I am not sure whether it is true or not, but I just feel it.

Anyway Thanks bro.
I thought you meant strength gains, which you should definitely not be feeling as a result of a thermogenic. That said, mental clarity can and probably should be raised as the stimulants in these supplements are known to do that. Its like taking adderall, yet nowhere near on the same level. I know my mental clarity is sharper and I am able to do exercises with more focus as my mind is set on it.

[Othelo]

I should say it is Thermonex
I just start to use it and the first time I use it I got this 'burning' feeling all over my body (since it have the thermogenic effect, which is good) and I have more power
and the best thing is I have lost about 2 inch of my belly
and its only less than a weeks
of course I combine with work out and diet
LOL

Eventhough it quite expensive, but I love the result that I get
and looking forward for the next result
LOL

I have been taking it for about 3 days now and i know what you mean about the "warm feeling" I started out with 2 in the morning and one in the afternoon today I took the recommended dosage 2 pills 3 times a day. The focus I felt the first day was very similar to that of Noxpolde and the heat that radiated from me after and during my cardio was intense. I too felt like I could push more weight, probably just a result of the extra focus.

So far so good, haven’t had any real negative effects since I'm not too sensitive to stimulants. I feel leaner and look leaner in just a few days, I expect a lot of that was water weight but I have cleaned up my diet in a big way so that. I’m sure helps as well.

One really cool side effect is that I have been extremely creative lately. I've been working on a novel for the past year and I had some breakthroughs in my writers block, pretty cool.

In the past I have tried Ripped Fuel which was absolutely s***ty, did nothing and was an absolute waste of money. I'm having my trainer test my BF tomorrow and Ill keep ya'll updated as to whether or not I continue to lose.

[devilrs887]

I'm Curious do you think i'm better off taking the hot rox or the lipo 6 if i wanna lose fat fast?... i'm like 180 lbs with only a little fat around my abs and obliques, and cardio just isnt doing it so i want sumthing to help out the process. Anyone who thinks they can help me out respond!!!

[RogueLift]

I'm Curious do you think i'm better off taking the hot rox or the lipo 6 if i wanna lose fat fast?... i'm like 180 lbs with only a little fat around my abs and obliques, and cardio just isnt doing it so i want sumthing to help out the process. Anyone who thinks they can help me out respond!!!
Although I have never tried Lipo-6, its ability to curb your apetite, coupled with its stimulants, should allow you to burn more calories while eating slightly less: The key to fat burning.

[MuscleJeff]

HYDROXYCUT HARDCORE without a doubt, that stuff is crazy -- absolutely the best fatburner(ephedra free) of all time!!!!!!!!

[afif]

Definitely Lean-Rx by Dave Pharmacia...

Lean Rx:

Serving size: 3 capsules

Serving per container: 30

Amount Per Serving

Guarana (Paulina cupana)(seeds) 800mg**

White Willow (Salix alba)(bark)400mg**

MaHuang Extract 250mg** (Ephedra vulgaris)(plant)(standardized for 5% ephedrine)

Bitter Orange (Citrus aurantium)(fruit)(6% synephrine)100mg**

Cayenne (Capsicum annum)(fruit)100mg**

Vanadyl sulfate 50mg**

L-Carnitine 50mg**

Chromium (Picolinate) 200mcg
Other Ingredients: Di calcium phosphate and magnesium stearate.

[macdonms]

Can someone give me a little advice on what the best fat burner out there is, since the banning of ephedra.

I live in Ireland, and there are very few fat burners available, most of them being thermogenics, so I am quite limited in my choice.

I don't have much to lose, but it's that stubborn layer of fat across my midriff that is really getting to me. I have been doing 200+ crunches a day for quite a while, and I can really feel the muscles underneath, but no amount of cruches seem to be shifting it.

I don't want to try cutting gels though.
NVE Stacker 2 EF looks good, but would like to hear from someone who knows a little bit more than I do.
I really would appreciate any help any of you could give,

Ta.

You can do all the crunches you want mate, still that bit of flab will be there. Check your diet and I used the HotRox for a month along with L-Carnitine and I can see my abs definition much greater now.
Where abouts in Ireland are you? I was born in Belfast and now living in America, if I can get you anything not available in Ireland let me know lad.

Sláinte,
Connor

[banana4x]

anyone know how HotRox, Lipo 6, Thermonex EF, or MeltDown Z14 compares to Zantrex (in terms of suppressing overeating)? i sure hope one of these works better, cuz i've head Zantrex is supposed to be pretty decent in terms of preventing overeating, but when my "female hormones" :mad: kick in, i can f*cking max out on zantrex and still eat like 5,000-6,000 calories/day... :eek:

...a ****LOAD of food considering i'm a 5'3" female doing only like 30 min of cardio/day (due to injuries)... at least estrogen can't f*ck w/ me while i'm on ephedra :p but i obviously need to find another solution now that its banned

BSN's Thermonex is very good. It will increase your energy (a very clean rush) and concentration while suppressing your appetite. While using it, I lost about 23LBS over 8 wks with a clean diet and regular excerise.
I'm currently taking MuscleTech's ThermoShred...it sucks!!! Nothing beats the oldschool RippedFuel...that stuff was the bomb.

[RJCk3151]

Has anybody tried BSN Thermonex EF before?

[ragnar1199]

First of all, I should say I've never really been fat and I've always had a relatively high metabolism, but after I got out of the Marine Corps in January 2005, I didn't work for a few months and just ate and drank beer often. All of a sudden I was like ten pounds heavier from gaining fat and I had a little gut. (I was 195 at 6', so I wasn't really fat).

Anyway, I took Scorch for a couple months when I started working again (doing landscaping) and the combination of the two dropped me to 175, at which point I went and got my skinny ass back in the gym. So, Scorch worked well for me. It's the only fat burner I've ever used, so I cannot comment on any others.

[saleen96xx]

hows leanfire inferno work? anybody here taken it?

[cmedy123]

Either Thermo Power Rush from GNC or Hydroxycut Hardcore: Both are horrible in taste and smell but when you talk one about I say 30min at the max you will sweat your balls off especially that Hydroxycut Hardcore.

[marinerqb2]

I was told you can stake it with NO Explode and have no side effects.

I took it and dropped 5 pounds off my mid section in took weeks. I felt it did a great job considering I'm pretty much an alcoholic.

[jsfwags]

I took the leanfire last year (used a 120 cap bottle I think) and I doing cardio 6 days a week, I then cycled off it. After 6 weeks I took lipo 6 and had much better results, I dropped about 20 pounds on one bottle of the lipo 6. Again that was running about 36 miles a week.

[effen5]

I'm Curious do you think i'm better off taking the hot rox or the lipo 6 if i wanna lose fat fast?... i'm like 180 lbs with only a little fat around my abs and obliques, and cardio just isnt doing it so i want sumthing to help out the process. Anyone who thinks they can help me out respond!!!

Thermogenics are not the answer, diet is. Change your diet.

[highlander07]

Im very fat, what should i do. I can't see my dick.
A penis enlargement might be a start

[Renate]

If you had to pick just ONE ephedra-free fat burning product, what would be the best one?

Please pick product and include the brand. Give your reasons. The best answers will be displayed on the main Bodybuilding.com site for millions of people to see!

(Note: This is not a discussion about how or when to take fat burners, if you should take fat burners, or why some fat burners are NOT good. Just list your absolute favorite fat burning product and give your detailed reason.)
The best I have tried thus far is Lypo 6 - doesn't make me all fidgety - coupled with cardio I found it the most effective. Renate Fournier

[Renate]

I liked Lypo 6 - Hot Rox burned my stomach....very nasty. Change your cardio...(same old same old doesn't work) Trick the body, do something different...quick bursts all out on the bike for 45 sec with 3 min regular cycling...do 7 reps. Trick is...if cardio is not working you need to change it up. Variety is the spice of life! Natz

[CoMp1eX]

Hi, im a 18 year old looking to lose some weight / gain more definition for a trip to los cabos, mx on july 8th. I currently weigh about 173 and am 5' 11''. I workout 5-6 days a week and have a good diet plan and have been sticking to it. I am currently taking no-xplode and have I will tell you all this product is working great for me.

Im looking to step up every aspect of my workout/cardio and while doing that I want to add a fat burner. What fat burner do you guys reccomend for me that can be bought in a local gnc / vitimin world? Are fat burners ok to use while on no-xplode? If not, I can always hold out on that as I just want to lose some extra weight. Please give me some advise, all is very appreciated!

[Wannabsexy]

A penis enlargement might be a start
I almost died laughing after reading this

[slick1235676]

I'm 16 and I need to lose a fast 20 pounds for football, or well, i can't play this season. Is lipo 6 ok for a 16 year old that will do hardcore cardio every day until the bottle is out, what are the side effects?

[MJ1331]

I'm 16 and I need to lose a fast 20 pounds for football, or well, i can't play this season. Is lipo 6 ok for a 16 year old that will do hardcore cardio every day until the bottle is out, what are the side effects?

im assuming you play HS football. Are you serious about losing 20 lbs?! If your coach said this he is a dumb ****. I was the second heaviest guy (in season weight of ~270) on my team yet i was faster and quicker than 1/2 the team.

If you want to lose some fat before the season thats another thing. If i were you i would do some HIIT 3-4 days a week and get a good lifting program. If you work hard you will be a lot quicker for the season and you will prob lose some fat.

[romaxe]

another vote for SAN Tight. worked for me

[pocketplayer]

Can anyone comment on the ECA stack and drinking beer?

No, I don't mean at the same time, but can I drink a beer or two at night while taking a product like Vaso Pro HCL? Does all alcohol have to go with the HCL tabs?

[bman ice]

methyl ripped 3 pills twice a day stacked with 50mg vasopro, take 1gram carnitine, 1gram acetyl-carnitine, 6 grams cla, 2 GNC mega men sports, and drink 1 gallon of cold water a day combined with carb cycling, and a cardio/weight training program..... change to your liking, but its deff a solid fat-loss program in a nut-shell

[PubmedBookworm]

How does Tyramine compare to Ephedrine as a stimulant? I am not looking for a combination product just individual comparisons. Does anyone have any experience with Tyramine alone?

[Wannabsexy]

I'm 16 and I need to lose a fast 20 pounds for football, or well, i can't play this season. Is lipo 6 ok for a 16 year old that will do hardcore cardio every day until the bottle is out, what are the side effects?

They say not to take Lipo-6 if under age 18. I'm 15 and losing a pound a day with Lipo-6 without exercising. You can take up to 6 pills a day and I've only taken 2. Make sure you get the liquid caps and because of the caffeine it will keep you up late at night

[Sedd]

Redline before a nice workout will have you burning mad fat. I lost 15+ lbs with Redline drink and workouts.

[kingpin8399]

just started scorch remix........this appetite suppressant is no joke, i have to force myself to eat, sometimes if i even think about food it makes me sick to my stomach for some reason lol

[drbill58]

I'm 48 and have spent a ton of $$ on thermo's - when they don't work YES I return them and GNC hates me.

The new sup/thermo Hydroxy - Hardcore [not the old junk] is working for me. Pay attention to the work up phase or you can get the jitters.

Pay attention - a good thermo WILL raise your heart rate - my resting rate is 110 in the afternoon, and if my bloodwork was not as good as it is I'd be in danger.

I'm looking to carve off 5% - 7% of my BF, and at 48 that's not as easy as it once was.

[slickpickle78]

I lost about 5 lb the first week and nothing since. Im now on my 5th week. Im stacking the lipo6 with weights, cardio, fish oil, primrose oil, flax oil, cla, mens gold multi vitamines and still nothing plus this lipo 6 makes me really drowsy. kinda wierd

[Wannabsexy]

I lost about 5 lb the first week and nothing since. Im now on my 5th week. Im stacking the lipo6 with weights, cardio, fish oil, primrose oil, flax oil, cla, mens gold multi vitamines and still nothing plus this lipo 6 makes me really drowsy. kinda wierd

There's no reason for you to not have results unless your eating food high in calories,fat or carbs.

[slickpickle78]

I eat very low fat and of the 6 meals a day that I do eat I only have a significant carb intake on my meal before and after my workout. My whole family is big people with high cholesterol and I am trying to break the trend. I think I'll just add more cardio.

[nor cal warrior]

I've taken alot of different energy boosters and metabolizers over the past 15 years. I've never had anything work for me as well as ARLI's Venom Hyperdrive. 1 pill a day in the morning keeps me jacked through my evening workout. The focus aid in the product helps keep me level headed through the work day as well as heightening my focus while I'm training.
Will melt the pounds away without a doubt. I've dropped 8 lbs in two weeks while still lifting. Two of my buddy's that told me about Venom have dropped 20+ each. It's list price is a little spendy. I was able to find it close to half price while shopping arround the internet. IMO well worth the price. My only concern is that it works so well I'm affraid my state will outlaw it.

[Cyrus317]

I eat very low fat and of the 6 meals a day that I do eat I only have a significant carb intake on my meal before and after my workout. My whole family is big people with high cholesterol and I am trying to break the trend. I think I'll just add more cardio.

I feel your pain on this one bro. I'm pretty much resigning myself to my slight gut, as all the dieting and cardio in the world simply have not taken it below a certain point (that I reach every time; like some sort of fat loss plateau). However, if I could offer you some advice, drop the carb intake prior to the workout (maybe throw in some caffeine or yohimbe) and then hit the cardio. Doing so will ensure that your blood glucose levels are lower, so your body won't burn sugars as long before switching over to fats. The caffeine will help with this too.

Of course, never cut the pre-workout carbs altogether, don't do it during a bulk, and if you are diabetic, well, then my advice is all trash. Good luck bro, and continue to fight the never-ending (at least for people like you and me) fight.

[slickpickle78]

thanks man, its nice to not read another faceless message trying to tell me I'm an overeating pig or I'm just not doing it right from some guy whose never really been fat in his life.

[<josh>]

lipodrene works very well and so does hyperdrine. Both of these contain ephedra, lipodrene-25 mgs hyperdrine- 10 mgs. I am 16 and i have no problem with the ephedra. Before i tried using xenedrine efx and it was complete crap. Th e pills taste horrible and dont seem to do anything. After i finish my lipodrene and hyperdrine bottles im trying to decide between lipo-6 and vpx redline since no nutrition stores by my new place have ephedra. Even while taking ephedra i dont seem to be too wirey but i run 6 miles 5 days a week and eat 1500 calories a day.

what supplements would you recommend? im thinking of buying some protein powder and creatine. any ideas?

[cowboysfan21]

I should say it is Thermonex
I just start to use it and the first time I use it I got this 'burning' feeling all over my body (since it have the thermogenic effect, which is good) and I have more power
and the best thing is I have lost about 2 inch of my belly
and its only less than a weeks
of course I combine with work out and diet
LOL

Eventhough it quite expensive, but I love the result that I get
and looking forward for the next result
LOL

could you post your diet and exercise plan
2 inches in one week is crazy lol
and are you talking about this? BSN ThermoneX

[Husky2Hunky]

Yeah, if GNC offers it, why not take advantage of it and return the product if it didn't do shi* for you.

Anyway so far I tried SAN TIGHT, STACKER2 and did nothing, LIPO 6 and got nowhere. I mean no changes AT ALL. No energy boost, no fat melting like butter or anything...so from what I have researched it seems Animal cuts hits it from so many different angles I hope it will give me some achiviements.

I am on a no carb after 7pm and low carb/low fat throughout the day diet. cardio for 45-1 hr for 5-6 days a week and weights for about 30 min for about 5-6 days a week.

Hell, no idea why I am not losing weight, hopefully with this one it will kick it up a notch.

I'll try Animal cuts, along with a multivit and see what happens!

Any feedback comment is welcome!

[Jonesy_5603]

what about using a diuretic, i know its mainly a water shed, but not everything u loose from it is water is it. i know SAN makes one called shredded and its $28 canadian, i was thinking of buying it and seeing what its like what do u think?

[apanzhafran]

well have only tried hydroxycut ephedra free and animal cut i wud say that animal cut is the best one! felt the heat after tooking it and lost aroud 6 pounds in 3 weeks with well diet and workout of coz but did cheat a bit due to WORLD CUP(ARGH!) if not im sure can lose more!only it is bloody loads of pills to swallow!cheaper too since well im in MALAYSIA supplements can be very i mean very costly!so <b>Animal cuT!</B> is my choice!

p/s: is lipo 6 better than animal cut?would like to give it a try since most of the forum users recomend them,well im still a beginner :D

[tabatha129]

and it gives you great energy for workouts without the shakiness/jitters you from ephedra products.


If you had to pick just ONE ephedra-free fat burning product, what would be the best one?

Please pick product and include the brand. Give your reasons. The best answers will be displayed on the main Bodybuilding.com site for millions of people to see!

(Note: This is not a discussion about how or when to take fat burners, if you should take fat burners, or why some fat burners are NOT good. Just list your absolute favorite fat burning product and give your detailed reason.)

[Mikey01]

It looks like this thread, which could have been a great one, became a bit distorted from the original question. It said just name one that you think is the best and why. Since others named more then one, so will I cause more then one are worth mentioning.
#1 is a tie between the original Xenadrine RFA-1 from Cytodyne technologies and Tetrazene es-50 by Bioquest (the other tetrazene without the thermogenics in it didn't work for me though, sucked. I like the energy kick from the Tetrazene es-50). For energy I go with the ephedra Xenadrine though but for fat loss and appetite suppression it's a close run.
#2 Remember thermodrene from I think it's AST? That was good stuff.
#3 Hydroxycut with ephedra was good too.
#4 Trimspa (only if you are a chick). I've never heard a guy brag about it but plenty of women have had good luck with it.

Has anyone come up with their own concoction using straight ephedra, caffeine, and aspirin? If so, what are the amounts to use of each cause I want to give it a whirl.

[Cyrus317]

It looks like this thread, which could have been a great one, became a bit distorted from the original question. It said just name one that you think is the best and why. Since others named more then one, so will I cause more then one are worth mentioning.
#1 is a tie between the original Xenadrine RFA-1 from Cytodyne technologies and Tetrazene es-50 by Bioquest (the other tetrazene without the thermogenics in it didn't work for me though, sucked. I like the energy kick from the Tetrazene es-50). For energy I go with the ephedra Xenadrine though but for fat loss and appetite suppression it's a close run.
#2 Remember thermodrene from I think it's AST? That was good stuff.
#3 Hydroxycut with ephedra was good too.
#4 Trimspa (only if you are a chick). I've never heard a guy brag about it but plenty of women have had good luck with it.

Has anyone come up with their own concoction using straight ephedra, caffeine, and aspirin? If so, what are the amounts to use of each cause I want to give it a whirl.

Use ephedrine HCl (not ephedra, although they are SIMILAR). Here is a link to a great thread on it. The short end is that you want to take 1 aspirin (regular or child, whatever your pref.) and caffeine/ephedrine in a 10:1 ratio (or as close as possible as you can get. Look for specifics here:


http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=316758

[Mikey01]

Use ephedrine HCl (not ephedra, although they are SIMILAR). Here is a link to a great thread on it. The short end is that you want to take 1 aspirin (regular or child, whatever your pref.) and caffeine/ephedrine in a 10:1 ratio (or as close as possible as you can get. Look for specifics here:


http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=316758

Thanks for the info.

[Cyrus317]

Not a problem. BTW, has anyone heard the rumor they might reinstate the ban on Ephedrine HCl. If someone has a news article, could they link it?

[dent84567]

anyone know how HotRox, Lipo 6, Thermonex EF, or MeltDown Z14 compares to Zantrex (in terms of suppressing overeating)? i sure hope one of these works better, cuz i've head Zantrex is supposed to be pretty decent in terms of preventing overeating, but when my "female hormones" :mad: kick in, i can f*cking max out on zantrex and still eat like 5,000-6,000 calories/day... :eek:

...a ****LOAD of food considering i'm a 5'3" female doing only like 30 min of cardio/day (due to injuries)... at least estrogen can't f*ck w/ me while i'm on ephedra :p but i obviously need to find another solution now that its banned

I'm not a person who gets sick often; however, Zantrex made me so sick that when I finally recovered after 2 days, I quickly went to Walgreens to get a refund.

[pantydropper]

I bought some Zantrax 3 today, I'll do a review on it after a week

[digita1dolly]

I had been pondering over trying thermonex and finally went for it, been taking it for a week and to be honest Im not overly impressed. I know that everyone is different but I dont rate it. Im curious too find out if anyone has had positive results with this supplement. xdollx

[digita1dolly]

Im starting to feel like a guinea pig to supplements! I want something where I feel energentic and motivated as well as great fat buring results! Same as us all Id think but my next purchase I would like to be happy wiith. Come on Guys n gals what is the best product????????? HOTROX? V LIPODRENE? Havent tried these two yet but alot of you rate them ok. I liked redline for post workouts, it gives me a good rush of energy and keeps me focussed but iit is not a product that I could take when going to work etc as It makes me rather cranky.

xdollx

[TOWERSJOE]

Methyl Ripped by Nxcare hits, good energy and strong fat burning

[anteyeiabazele]

Methyl Ripped by Nxcare hits, good energy and strong fat burning

I've read many reviews and they all said that all u do is lose waterweight with this product!

[bigwannabe]

I was on hydroxycut up until last friday night. I was finding it hard to get to sleep on this stuff so I took about 15 Ambien sleeping pills. When I got up this morning and weighed myself I lost 3LBS!!!!! This stuff works GREAT!

[Metha]

hey everyone, anyone here tried this hydroxycut hardcore stuff? dunno about the products "7.9 % BF loss", but the main question is does it pump with energy?

[eekrazyk]

hey everyone, anyone here tried this hydroxycut hardcore stuff? dunno about the products "7.9 % BF loss", but the main question is does it pump with energy?

Tried it for a couple weeks. I noticed a significant increase in mental acuity and energy. I quit taking it because it was giving me an upset stomach and causing a lot of phlegm to run down my throat.

[i3i76i]

Nothing (non-steroidal) compares to the Clenbuterol/Cytomel stack...Google it!

[Acmw]

With hydroxycut hardcore ive lost 25lbs in 20 days with exercise and diet

[Power_Lifter88]

Extreme T-Diet would have to be the best fat burner i have ever used!

Info:
BCS is excited to introduce the most sought after non-ephedra based weight loss solution. There are two properties in weight loss, as you well know, Physical and Mental. Extreme T-diet targets several areas of weight loss simultaneously to ensure your results! This is a unique product of it's kind to target your weight loss through appetite suppression, fat burning, enhanced energy with out jitters, and most importantly an ingredient to keep you in the right mood so you don't get discouraged as easily. Extreme T-diet is so different from other diet products due to our inclusion of 5 Hydroxy-tryptophan (5 HTP). When coupled with our fat burners, appetite suppressants, and energy boosters, 5 HTP is the perfect addition to the total Physical and Mental diet solution!

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bcs/tdiet.html

[2cutelisa]

I thought Lipo 6 was the best fat burner?.
thats what the bodybuilding.com store says ( its one of the top fat burners), so I have been taking it for about 3 weeks, the scale only shows a loss of 10 pounds, should I be taking something else?.

[Bigdolf]

I think hydroxycuthardcore is good. I love how it makes me feel I just hate the effects four hours after I take it. (it makes me sleepy)

[digita1dolly]

Hi folks

I have just got some ephedrine 45mg tabs. Im unsure of how to take these - Do I need to take anything elese with them???????????????????
HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ADVICE NEEDED!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanking you!
Lv Dollx

[bigonprotein]

What do you guy's think is the best fat burner out on the marker. Seems like everyone like's lipo-6. I was thinkin about gettin San Tight but from what I've read, people seem to be saying it does'nt work that great. What is this whole ephedra thing everyone talk's about and why is it important?
My other question is is that is it alright to take a fat burner with a protein powder and some creatine etheyl ester to loose fat and build muscle at the same time? Incase anyone want's to know, Iv'e tried Hydroxycut Hardcore and it din't work for me, it just gave me a lot of energy.

[Cyrus317]

What do you guy's think is the best fat burner out on the marker. Seems like everyone like's lipo-6. I was thinkin about gettin San Tight but from what I've read, people seem to be saying it does'nt work that great. What is this whole ephedra thing everyone talk's about and why is it important?
My other question is is that is it alright to take a fat burner with a protein powder and some creatine etheyl ester to loose fat and build muscle at the same time? Incase anyone want's to know, Iv'e tried Hydroxycut Hardcore and it din't work for me, it just gave me a lot of energy.

You're new hear (it seems), so I'll break you in easy. It seems that your technique is in your mind-set. You'll hear it a thousand times. Losing fat comes down to calories in vrs. calories out. Gaining muscle does as well. They aren't entirely mutually exclusive, but pretty damned much so. I tell my younger friends this all the time. The best way to lose weight is to start by bulking (in which you will add weight, but hopefully very little will be fat), and then follow it by a cutting cycle (in which you'll lose a lot of weight, but also possibly a little muscle). What you are trying to do is sometimes refered to as a "clean bulk," and it's simply not effective.

Looking at your situation, here's my advice. If you want to build muscle, go with the protein and the CEE. However, realize that you might gain a little weight. Don't worry, with proper diet, most of it will be muscle anyway. If you want to cut up, then DROP THE CEE. Creatine works by augmenting muscle contraction in place of ATP. It is the process by which the body recruits more ATP when stores are depleted that causes you to burn fat. In other words, if you are using creatine, you are making it so your body doesn't need to make as much ATP, meaning that you will not lose anywhere near as much fat as if you weren't taking it. Regardless of your goal, always keep protein intake high (around 1-1.5g/lb. bodyweight). This will help stem the tide against your hard earned muscle wasting away during a cut, and is essential for any bulk.

In other news, Ergopharm recently sent me a sample of AMP. I've taken 2 servings (what they sent me), both times before I worked out. First time it just gave me the jitters, but second time I felt an energy rush and was sweating quite a bit more than normal. I could feel the heat radiating from my arteries, and my heart rate was accelerated. All good signs of thermogenesis. However, when I went to take my body temp, it remained low (typical for me, due to a slow metabolism). Therefore, my support of AMP is inconclusive, despite my extremely positive feeling about my last dose. 2 servings is just no enough to measure fat burning.