Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

[naturalguy]

I just started taking Animal Cuts and I've got a question about water intake. I'm downing a gallon a day. I was wondering if drinking that much water would retard the effects of the diuretics in A-cuts?

That is a good amount of water, you should drink at least a gallon a day and it does not affect the diuretics in Cuts in fact the more water you take in the less you hold subq.


I've been on it for about 5 days and lost a solid pound, wasn't looking for anything radical. I will say this though, it doesn't put me in a crabby mood like the EC stack did. I'm sure I'll have more to report after I'm on it for a while longer.

That is pretty good so far, keep us updated


I'm currently on a strict low carb low fat diet, eating only low fat meats (lean turkey, turkey bacon, chicken breasts, baked fish, shrimp, egg whites, chicken sausage, etc) and I've lost 21 lbs in 3 weeks on said diet, but now I seem to have hit a wall, so to say. I weight train 4 times a week as well. Looking to throw a fat burner into the mix. Is Animal cuts the way to go now a days? Was looking at the BB.com store and it's rankings, saw animal cuts as the best ranked fat burner. Years back when I was at my leanest, I took Hydroxycut, and while it seemed to help keep me cut, it also made me jittery and a lot of times I felt like chit when on it. I have to assume that now a days there's a better fat burner out there.

What else besides Animal cuts should I look into, or should I not even look in another direction?

What is great about Animal Cuts is not only is it an extremely efficient fat burner, it doesn't make you feel like crap.


Its been 2 1/2 months on my journey...First two weeks was all mental preparation, as opposed to just eating 2 big meals a day I am now eating smaller portions and 5x a day keeping my calorie count below 2,000..... 2 months into it went from 266 to 228 with no supplements whatsoever, to me that is an accomplishment in itself

Now im on here looking for some advice on what supplements to boost my fat burning and definition... I am 5'10 and 228 lbs looking to go down to at least 195.....I am leaning towards the Animal Pak and have done some research

My question is:

Is the Animal Pak a good starter and if so what can I take along with it or should that be enough?

please I need some advice and guidance

I was also looking into the P90x workout routine any info

That is a very low amount of calories.

Animal Pak is a great foundational product and would certainly support your efforts.

[eyenstein]

Dude I went from 215 and in a wheelchair with cancer in my femur to 172 and the best shape of my life after chemo and radiation with healthy eating, Jack3d/White Flood, iSatori MX-LS7, CLA, Syntha6, Universal Torrent(Recovery) and the secret, P90X(2 1/2 weeks left of the 90 days). Watching Tony gave me direction during my workouts and a solid plan. Do it, you won't be disappointed. Some guys on here knock it but I have yet to here anyone unsatisfied after 90 days.


Its been 2 1/2 months on my journey...First two weeks was all mental preparation, as opposed to just eating 2 big meals a day I am now eating smaller portions and 5x a day keeping my calorie count below 2,000..... 2 months into it went from 266 to 228 with no supplements whatsoever, to me that is an accomplishment in itself

Now im on here looking for some advice on what supplements to boost my fat burning and definition... I am 5'10 and 228 lbs looking to go down to at least 195.....I am leaning towards the Animal Pak and have done some research

My question is:

Is the Animal Pak a good starter and if so what can I take along with it or should that be enough?

please I need some advice and guidance

I was also looking into the P90x workout routine any info

[Northeasterner]

The only fat-burner supplement I've ever used is Animal Cuts. It was the first Pak product from the Animal line I ever used, and it was money well invested.

From March 1 to April 1, 2008, Animal Cuts helped me lose 10 pounds of fat. I did heavy weights and plenty of cardio, and ate healthily - and lost no strength and noticed no loss of lean body mass. I went from 190 to 179.

2 years later, I am now hovering at 200lbs, with more mass but also a lot more fat. I have started a cut which will last several weeks and I'm following the same approach from 2 years ago ... and am highly confident that Animal Cuts will help me get leaner as it did then. :)

[guest]

Ask, and ye shall receive...

I was a lot more strict this time around on RED. Weight loss not as dramatic as Animal Cuts, and BF% drop not as great as the Dicana + Lean Xtreme combo. But, I did see a reasonable drop in both. But, there is another intangible: It's so easy to take, and the mood elevation + sleep is soooo nice! It's pretty much worth it for those aspects alone. I almost think of the weight/fat loss as a side effect! I drift anywhere between the high 8's to just under 11% BF, so I'm not expecting a huge loss. So, the other factors will make this something that I go back to with some regularity (but, I do tend to cycle through products that work in different ways).

Next up...ordered some of the Cellucor stuff. I'll see how that stacks up. It sure as hell won't win on price! ($140 for the D4 TC + T7 :eek: )


These are only my experiences - but maybe someone will find them helpful:

Finishing up Cellucor D4 (Thermo Cuts) + T7. Not really sure what to make of these. The first week on them was good - I was pleasantly surprised, actually. But after that, was like a complete reversal. Seriously - I think I gained 5lbs on this stack. Not only did it cease to keep burning - but it increased my appetite to a point where I was miserable half the time because I wanted to eat more and more :eek:

It became a better bulking supp. Honestly, the only thing worse for cutting would have been to eat a whole birthday cake every day. So, to bring it all home:

Dicana + LeanXtreme = A/A-
- Best in BF% decrease, IMO.
Animal Cuts = A-/B+
- Best overall weight loss
REDuction = B
- Very good weight loss with very pleasant side effects (mood/sleep)
Mitotropin = B-/C+
- Average to above average burner. Nice to cycle through to switch things up.
D4 +T7 = D+
- Gets a D+ because maybe it's useful to take for a week and switch to something else???

[inkman411]

So i just finished my bottles of REDuction am/pm and i have to say this product worked great considering my diet wasn't so clean at times but my dedication too the gym was. I lost 8 lbs and didn't sacrifice any muscle or strength.

Question.I'm going to give animal cuts a shot stacked with REDuction pm how long should i wait seeing i just finished the REDuction bottles and is it still fine to use the pm pills after a month of use.

And im going to order some REDuction pills for my wife she just started going to to gym they are woman safe correct?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

So i just finished my bottles of REDuction am/pm and i have to say this product worked great considering my diet wasn't so clean at times but my dedication too the gym was. I lost 8 lbs and didn't sacrifice any muscle or strength.

Question.I'm going to give animal cuts a shot stacked with REDuction pm how long should i wait seeing i just finished the REDuction bottles and is it still fine to use the pm pills after a month of use.

And im going to order some REDuction pills for my wife she just started going to to gym they are woman safe correct?

glad you enjoyed REDuction. you can go right into the PM pills, cycle off stims for a week though before the other product.

yes, REDuction is for men and women (assuming they arent breast feeding/pregnant or becoming pregnant soon)

[Aric.Gant]

I've read through a lot of posts but I can't seem to find answers to my questions.

Do fat burners actually burn fat? Or do they just give energy and suppress appetite?

It seems most people start training and dieting while taking these "fat burners". So I am a little skeptical as to the actual amount of fat being burned by the supp.

[DNRCMO]

I'm currently taking Oxy Elite Pro. I've had pretty good weight loss after about two weeks use. I used for one week, took a week off due to injury and not working out, and then started again for another full week. The first week I lost a few pounds nothing major. I'm eating pretty clean; pretty much a cookie here or there. I've lost about 5 pounds since I started taking it, since it first came out in my local GNC store. I like it, but I'm thinking I will take Cuts again. The cost of OEP was a little high and I don't believe I'm seeing the results I should be. Don't get me wrong I do like the product; but I think Cuts is a better product. I took the old formula before I was eating clean and lost a lot of weight. Some came back, but that was probably due to my poor nutrition. I'm looking forward to using cuts in the coming month or two; once I finish my bottle of OEP.

[Das Gildenmeister]

Im currently taking Lipo 6x. Not a bad fat burner, but i think im gunna try animal cuts after im done with this bottle. Sometimes i have a hard time sleeping due to a constantly changing work schedule. will Reduction PM really help me get to sleep? and it would be fine to take in conjunction with animal cuts i assume. Overall, how do u like it?

[AlphaBrass01]

Im currently taking Lipo 6x. Not a bad fat burner, but i think im gunna try animal cuts after im done with this bottle. Sometimes i have a hard time sleeping due to a constantly changing work schedule. will Reduction PM really help me get to sleep? and it would be fine to take in conjunction with animal cuts i assume. Overall, how do u like it?
I love Reduction PM! I don't think it helps me get to sleep at all. It does seem to feel like I sleep better while using it, though.

[raw_running]

the labrada charge ephedra free looks good

anyone tryed it?

[geneticcode]

This is a hard choice for me. I used Oxelite Pro for 2 months and loved it. I'm now trying Animal Cuts and loving it too. Half vote for each.

[rcb0424]

The new version of Animal Cuts has a powerful CCK Inhibiting Complex which works very effectively as an appetite suppressor plus 7 other effective complexes that will help in all aspects of fat burning.

The new Animal Cuts is currently the #1 fat burner on bb.com:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ephfreetop.htm

Can you stack animal cuts with lean xtreme?

would this be useful?

and how exactly would you stack it?

Also, if I take animal cuts in the morning after waking, that is like 6 am for me, I dont work out until around 5 pm. Would it be ok to wait on the 2nd pack until an hour or so before my 5pm workout so I would get the effects during the workout?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Im currently taking Lipo 6x. Not a bad fat burner, but i think im gunna try animal cuts after im done with this bottle. Sometimes i have a hard time sleeping due to a constantly changing work schedule. will Reduction PM really help me get to sleep? and it would be fine to take in conjunction with animal cuts i assume. Overall, how do u like it?REDuction pm should help and it stacks well with all of these stim burners.


I love Reduction PM! I don't think it helps me get to sleep at all. It does seem to feel like I sleep better while using it, though.
glad your enjoying it. do you have the whole kit (am and pm) or just pm?

[AlphaBrass01]

glad your enjoying it. do you have the whole kit (am and pm) or just pm?


Right now I'm using both AM and PM, but I've used PM solo as well. It is one of my favorite supps - very underrated IMO.

[Aric.Gant]

I've read through a lot of posts but I can't seem to find answers to my questions.

Do fat burners actually burn fat? Or do they just give energy and suppress appetite?

It seems most people start training and dieting while taking these "fat burners". So I am a little skeptical as to the actual amount of fat being burned by the supp.



No answers to my questions? Come on CL rep. ;)

[DAFTEK]

Waiting on MX-LS7 Max Strength Lean System 7 to arrive, i lost 90 pounds with not much exercise or diet on the Original Ephedra Hydroxycut in less then a year and loved it. Once the ban came i tried everything with not much luck. I personally think the Industrial Medical Complex got ephedra banned because this was a threat to them, to many people loosing weight and and getting healthy results. Call me a conspiracy theorist but anytime something good comes along the Government steps in...

Anyway,

The EC stack just gave me lots of jitters and not much appetite control like Hydroxycut did. Best part about the original Hydroxycut was it made me calm and relaxed while i was on it, not sure why.

Reading some reviews i hope MX-LS7 is as good as the claims.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Right now I'm using both AM and PM, but I've used PM solo as well. It is one of my favorite supps - very underrated IMO.
awesome and yes, I agree, very underrated although the popularity is starting to gain some traction finally.

I've read through a lot of posts but I can't seem to find answers to my questions.

Do fat burners actually burn fat? Or do they just give energy and suppress appetite?

It seems most people start training and dieting while taking these "fat burners". So I am a little skeptical as to the actual amount of fat being burned by the supp.

ones with thermogenics in them can burn fat via heat loss.

[Nivea]

Just noticed I still had a few slimxtreme's left. its still unbelievable how powerful it is :D I lost 1.5kg using 1 pill LMAO

cl reduction is working longer and better then last time, not much weight loss, but the smoothest energy ever (no side effect at all) and appetite suppression is actually OK.. so at least it helps keeping the weight in balance.

I'll write back when I finish it.

[jaymezrus]

Just noticed I still had a few slimxtreme's left. its still unbelievable how powerful it is :D I lost 1.5kg using 1 pill LMAO

cl reduction is working longer and better then last time, not much weight loss, but the smoothest energy ever (no side effect at all) and appetite suppression is actually OK.. so at least it helps keeping the weight in balance.

I'll write back when I finish it.

I wish I had some SX left. Out of all the products I have taken, that stuff rocked the best. Just plain awesome. However, I am going to try REDuction (which is very good too) again because I am struggling with fatigue. I can't remember ever dozing off with it. I am finishing up my second bottle of OxyElite Pro now. I don't get the sustained energy like I did with SX or with REDuction, but the appetite suppressant works really well. I can tell when I don't take it.

What to do, what to do...?

Did they make any changes to REDuction? I haven't taken it in a while and want to know.

I am looking for an appetite suppressant and energy booster. Something that just keeps me going and doesn't allow for the nodding off like people do around 2:30. It hits me around 11:30 and stays there until 3:30-4 PM. I have to stand and walk around so I don't fall asleep at work.

Edit: has anyone tried Stimulant X? Is it close to Slim Xtreme?

[B Con]

For those wanting to try out the New Animal Cuts.... here's your chance...
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=123101553

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Just noticed I still had a few slimxtreme's left. its still unbelievable how powerful it is :D I lost 1.5kg using 1 pill LMAO

cl reduction is working longer and better then last time, not much weight loss, but the smoothest energy ever (no side effect at all) and appetite suppression is actually OK.. so at least it helps keeping the weight in balance.

I'll write back when I finish it.
awesome, glad to hear REDuction is working so nicely for you :)

how are you liking the PM pills?

I wish I had some SX left. Out of all the products I have taken, that stuff rocked the best. Just plain awesome. However, I am going to try REDuction (which is very good too) again because I am struggling with fatigue. I can't remember ever dozing off with it. I am finishing up my second bottle of OxyElite Pro now. I don't get the sustained energy like I did with SX or with REDuction, but the appetite suppressant works really well. I can tell when I don't take it.

What to do, what to do...?

Did they make any changes to REDuction? I haven't taken it in a while and want to know.

I am looking for an appetite suppressant and energy booster. Something that just keeps me going and doesn't allow for the nodding off like people do around 2:30. It hits me around 11:30 and stays there until 3:30-4 PM. I have to stand and walk around so I don't fall asleep at work.

Edit: has anyone tried Stimulant X? Is it close to Slim Xtreme?

no changes to REDuction ever. looking forward to your thoughts

[naturalguy]

Can you stack animal cuts with lean xtreme?

would this be useful?

and how exactly would you stack it?

Also, if I take animal cuts in the morning after waking, that is like 6 am for me, I dont work out until around 5 pm. Would it be ok to wait on the 2nd pack until an hour or so before my 5pm workout so I would get the effects during the workout?

Yes you can stack Animal Cuts and Lean Xtreme.

Yes you can take your Cuts closer to your workout. If you find taking Cuts that late in the day keeps you up at night, you have the option to leave out the red pill which contains the majority of the stims.

It's just another reason why Animal Cuts is # 1.

[panaxxIX]

is animal cuts for just lean people looking to get ripped, or anyone? im 175 lbs and need to lose about 25 probally and i was wondering if animal cuts would help me? $60 is alot i dont wanna waste on something that wont work lol

[Cyrus317]

Sort of off topic on your question (sorry, I don't know the answer... I know others will though)... but what have been your thoughts/experience of it so far? Thinking about trying it. Thanks
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As I stated before, I tried Animal Cuts back in the day and was unimpressed, finding it mostly sucked the water out of me.

Took a chance and tried it again with the "new formula." I can only say,

WOW!
In 3 short weeks, I cut off a good amount of "belly" in areas that I really have had no luck in before. The stuff made me feel "strange," but not jittery, ever. When taken about 1/2 hour to an hour before my workout, I found it jacked up my intensity to obscene levels without me even realizing it. I was quite literally leaving my workout partners in the dust. The greatest effects I actually saw on "run only" days. It was odd, and even somewhat creepy. The sense of discomfort I usually feel during the run after the extended mileage begins to build up was strangely "faded." Almost out of body, it was as though my pain tolerance changed, and I found I was able to push further, faster, and longer, and my post run recovery seemed to require mere moments instead of tens of minutes.

Put simply, it stunned me, and I'd like to thank Universal and definitely recommend the product over other burners I've taken.

HOWEVER, if I could throw something out there, and maybe get a question answered? Toward the end of the 3 week cycle, I started to get what I called, "dead leg." It crept into my runs, and while I was usually able to push through it, I found it sometimes troubled me. The symptoms were simple. It was as though I had a cramp, but with extended length, yet limited intensity. For anyone that has ever had a sever calf cramp, it felt like the "day after" effects in the muscle, but almost continuously.

I'd like to run another cycle of the stuff, the gains were so great, but I'm a little concerned. I was getting plenty of water, though its possible my electrolytes were a little low for the intensity level I was playing at. Any ideas what caused this, or how to avoid it in the future?

[Cman90]

Yes you can stack Animal Cuts and Lean Xtreme.

Yes you can take your Cuts closer to your workout. If you find taking Cuts that late in the day keeps you up at night, you have the option to leave out the red pill which contains the majority of the stims.

It's just another reason why Animal Cuts is # 1.

What is the purpose of taking Lean Xtreme with Animal Cuts? What does it have that Animal Cuts does not? Also, if needed, can anyone recommend what will stack well with Animal Cuts because I am about to take my first cycle of it and I would like to see maximum results.

[naturalguy]

is animal cuts for just lean people looking to get ripped, or anyone? im 175 lbs and need to lose about 25 probally and i was wondering if animal cuts would help me? $60 is alot i dont wanna waste on something that wont work lol

Animal Cuts is for anyone looking to lose bodyfat.


As I stated before, I tried Animal Cuts back in the day and was unimpressed, finding it mostly sucked the water out of me.

Took a chance and tried it again with the "new formula." I can only say,

WOW!
In 3 short weeks, I cut off a good amount of "belly" in areas that I really have had no luck in before. The stuff made me feel "strange," but not jittery, ever. When taken about 1/2 hour to an hour before my workout, I found it jacked up my intensity to obscene levels without me even realizing it. I was quite literally leaving my workout partners in the dust. The greatest effects I actually saw on "run only" days. It was odd, and even somewhat creepy. The sense of discomfort I usually feel during the run after the extended mileage begins to build up was strangely "faded." Almost out of body, it was as though my pain tolerance changed, and I found I was able to push further, faster, and longer, and my post run recovery seemed to require mere moments instead of tens of minutes.

Put simply, it stunned me, and I'd like to thank Universal and definitely recommend the product over other burners I've taken.

HOWEVER, if I could throw something out there, and maybe get a question answered? Toward the end of the 3 week cycle, I started to get what I called, "dead leg." It crept into my runs, and while I was usually able to push through it, I found it sometimes troubled me. The symptoms were simple. It was as though I had a cramp, but with extended length, yet limited intensity. For anyone that has ever had a sever calf cramp, it felt like the "day after" effects in the muscle, but almost continuously.

I'd like to run another cycle of the stuff, the gains were so great, but I'm a little concerned. I was getting plenty of water, though its possible my electrolytes were a little low for the intensity level I was playing at. Any ideas what caused this, or how to avoid it in the future?

Thanks for the feedback and good to hear you had great results with Animal Cuts.

As far as your question on your leg, I don't know what caused that.


What is the purpose of taking Lean Xtreme with Animal Cuts? What does it have that Animal Cuts does not? Also, if needed, can anyone recommend what will stack well with Animal Cuts because I am about to take my first cycle of it and I would like to see maximum results.

They work through different pathways and compliment each other, the theory being attacking fat lose through multiple angles. Both are great products.

[bk42]

quick question with animal cuts... i recently started on this... is it ok to drink alcohol at night if youve taken the 2 packs during the day? or should i just skip on the packs if i know im going to drink that night... sorry if this has already been covered

[naturalguy]

quick question with animal cuts... i recently started on this... is it ok to drink alcohol at night if youve taken the 2 packs during the day? or should i just skip on the packs if i know im going to drink that night... sorry if this has already been covered

I really wouldn't recommend alcohol however there should not be any interaction between the two.

[joshy22]

How many pills are there in each packet and what's the breakdown of what each one is for?
Thanks

[Cyrus317]

I really wouldn't recommend alcohol however there should not be any interaction between the two.

Animal cuts has both a potent stimulant complex, as well as a potent diuretic complex. Even if you are chugging water ( like I was) you are going to lose a lot of "body water." Don't think all that is coming from skin and fat. Water is found in every part of your body, and the body will take from one system to give to another in order to achieve better balance.

What I'm getting at is this, Animal Cuts = great product. Alcohol = fun (usually). Taking them together = trouble. Especially if you are nearing the end of a cutting cycle, you are going to be putting a lot of strain on your organs. Now, a beer on animal cuts... sure, you'd be fine. But I got the feeling you were talking about "partying" and not having "a drink."

[Cman90]

Animal cuts has both a potent stimulant complex, as well as a potent diuretic complex. Even if you are chugging water ( like I was) you are going to lose a lot of "body water." Don't think all that is coming from skin and fat. Water is found in every part of your body, and the body will take from one system to give to another in order to achieve better balance.

What I'm getting at is this, Animal Cuts = great product. Alcohol = fun (usually). Taking them together = trouble. Especially if you are nearing the end of a cutting cycle, you are going to be putting a lot of strain on your organs. Now, a beer on animal cuts... sure, you'd be fine. But I got the feeling you were talking about "partying" and not having "a drink."

So would it be a good idea to not take the blue pills(the diuretic) on days where you think you will be drinking at night?

[ninjawolf]

what do you guys mean by stacking pmreduction with animal cut? on the label of pmreduction, it clearly stated not to combined with any other fat burner.

[hithard]

I wish I had some SX left. Out of all the products I have taken, that stuff rocked the best. Just plain awesome. However, I am going to try REDuction (which is very good too) again because I am struggling with fatigue. I can't remember ever dozing off with it. I am finishing up my second bottle of OxyElite Pro now. I don't get the sustained energy like I did with SX or with REDuction, but the appetite suppressant works really well. I can tell when I don't take it.

What to do, what to do...?

Did they make any changes to REDuction? I haven't taken it in a while and want to know.

I am looking for an appetite suppressant and energy booster. Something that just keeps me going and doesn't allow for the nodding off like people do around 2:30. It hits me around 11:30 and stays there until 3:30-4 PM. I have to stand and walk around so I don't fall asleep at work.

<B>Edit: has anyone tried Stimulant X? Is it close to Slim Xtreme?<b>
The old(2-3 years ago when stim X first came out) it was bad to the bone instantly felt at least 25 percent stronger weight loss effects cant judge on that

[naturalguy]

How many pills are there in each packet and what's the breakdown of what each one is for?
Thanks

There are 9 small capsules. The only ones that are identified is the Thermogenic Complex (single, red cap) and the Diuretic Complex (2 blue caps).


what do you guys mean by stacking pmreduction with animal cut? on the label of pmreduction, it clearly stated not to combined with any other fat burner.

I don't see any reason you couldn't stack them.

[eyenstein]

Waiting on MX-LS7 Max Strength Lean System 7 to arrive, i lost 90 pounds with not much exercise or diet on the Original Ephedra Hydroxycut in less then a year and loved it. Once the ban came i tried everything with not much luck. I personally think the Industrial Medical Complex got ephedra banned because this was a threat to them, to many people loosing weight and and getting healthy results. Call me a conspiracy theorist but anytime something good comes along the Government steps in...

Anyway,

The EC stack just gave me lots of jitters and not much appetite control like Hydroxycut did. Best part about the original Hydroxycut was it made me calm and relaxed while i was on it, not sure why.

Reading some reviews i hope MX-LS7 is as good as the claims.

It worked great for me, took 8 a day, cycled off for a month then did it again. No jitters, I found it hard to put on weight when I had some beers and ate bad. Though it may have been the P90X. Still was clean energy and works great when you work out on it.

[rn53982]

I was torn between trying the Reduction AM/PM stack or the Animal Cuts. Since I love most of Controlled Labs other products and have had great results I decided to try Reduction AM/PM.

Unfortunately I seen absolutely no change after running it for 30 days. Felt no different, and no loss of sleep like some other experienced. I thought about running it longer, but with no results at all after 30 days, I guess I will try the animal cuts.

I guess this Controlled Labs product does not like me.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

what do you guys mean by stacking pmreduction with animal cut? on the label of pmreduction, it clearly stated not to combined with any other fat burner.
they are fine to combine. however if you are spending 16 bucks on REDuction PM, you can spend 10 bucks more and get the AM too ;)

I was torn between trying the Reduction AM/PM stack or the Animal Cuts. Since I love most of Controlled Labs other products and have had great results I decided to try Reduction AM/PM.

Unfortunately I seen absolutely no change after running it for 30 days. Felt no different, and no loss of sleep like some other experienced. I thought about running it longer, but with no results at all after 30 days, I guess I will try the animal cuts.

I guess this Controlled Labs product does not like me.

how were you taking it?

[rn53982]

how were you taking it?



I was taking Reduction AM right after waking up on an empty stomach, 45 - 60 minutes before my morning meal.

I was taking my does of Reduction PM 30 -40 minutes before going to bed in the evenings. s

My only thought was maybe the dosage should be bigger for my size. I know it instructs 2 caps in the morning and 2 at night, but is it really one dose fits all?

[Big B Bro]

I'm about to buy a can of Animal cuts. let's see how this stuff works Haha

[falcaof]

I'm surprised no one mention Meltdown yet. I have cycled many of those including cuts, dren, vaporize, hydroxycut, lipo 6, lean xtreme, oxyelitepro, meltdown, to name a few.

Top three
Cuts (old one): A+ great appetite suppressant, energy and diuretic.
Meltdown: A Great appetite suppresant, energy, not a good diuretic, but I get a great vibe with this one. Never a bad day. Best 2009 on BB. check it out
Oxyelite: B+ great appetite suppressant, great energy, but with crash.

I'm about to try the new Cuts and here is my question:
Can I stack the cuts with super cuts 3 for added water loss/definition? or Can I stack meltdown with cuts w/o the red pill? is adding the Reduction pm with either overkill?

[Defenbach]

I just got off 2 cycles of cuts and finished my supply. I have to say... it did nothing. It is a good appetite suppressor but it's nothing you can't get with simple hoodia. I have also been stacking it with REDuction PM which I'm pretty sure is doing nothing also. During the first cycle I was stacking it with creatine, NO and Animal PAK but got off all 3 of those during the second because I wasn't losing weight. My workout has been the same as it has in the past and in fact I did more cardio because I thought it was just my workout. It wasn't. I've lost more weight taking NOTHING with the same workout and diet and lost more weight. I wont be using cuts again, it's expensive, it's a TON of pills (18 a day) and its expensive and doesn't last very long. I'm going to finish my REDuction pm to see if that's doing anything but I really doubt it. Starting next week I'm just going to get on anti-oxidants and hoodia and I'll let you guys know how that goes.

Just wanted to give my 2 cents on CUTS because I know it's a large topic on these forums.

Have a good one!

[electricblue]

been taking the lipo-6 womens for about a week or so and I'm seeing results( -5lbs and
-19.5 inches) but am no longer feeling the enegy boost really at all and the appetite suppression factor has deminished...the bottle says no more than 4 but I'm both tall and on the heavyside,should i up it or should i start looking at other products?

[xR1pp3Rx]

other products deffinately .. look at meltdown by VPX.. in the intrim up your dose by a pill

[eyenstein]

I got REDuction at a killer price when I was at my local VS, so I'm about to give it a try tomorrow. My question (CL REP feel free to jump in) is the PM pill and ZMA, do I still need to take my ZMA? I have one more dose and have like a $150 cart ready on BB.com with HP ZMA in there (and WF =D) but need to hold off. Will this give me the same recovery/ Test effects as ZMA?

[Johnsmatrix]

Toward the end of the 3 week cycle, I started to get what I called, "dead leg." It crept into my runs, and while I was usually able to push through it, I found it sometimes troubled me. The symptoms were simple. It was as though I had a cramp, but with extended length, yet limited intensity. For anyone that has ever had a sever calf cramp, it felt like the "day after" effects in the muscle, but almost continuously.


Lack of potassium maybe. Try eating a banana preworkout.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I got REDuction at a killer price when I was at my local VS, so I'm about to give it a try tomorrow. My question (CL REP feel free to jump in) is the PM pill and ZMA, do I still need to take my ZMA? I have one more dose and have like a $150 cart ready on BB.com with HP ZMA in there (and WF =D) but need to hold off. Will this give me the same recovery/ Test effects as ZMA?

you can take REDuction with zma. you should cycle zma anyway

[Fit_4Life]

I say Ripped freak.
Used it in preparation for my first natural bodybuilding show. Before and after pics on my profile.
Reasons:
-feel good energy (I only used 1 pill per day, 2 was too much)
-helped me lift heavier during dieting phase

[Ryan Corcoran]

is it bad to take the animal cuts pre-workout due to the blue diuretic pills? should the blue pills be left out?

[Tial]

Yes you can stack Animal Cuts and Lean Xtreme.

Yes you can take your Cuts closer to your workout. If you find taking Cuts that late in the day keeps you up at night, you have the option to leave out the red pill which contains the majority of the stims.

It's just another reason why Animal Cuts is # 1.


You mention taking out the red pill which has most of the stims, then will animal cuts not be as beneficial? Will the consumer still feel "pumped"? Because it sounds like the RED pill is the one that helps burn the fat.

Is it okay to take the pills with creatine together before my workout?

And does Bodybuilding.com sell the new Animal Cuts?

[Sprite2]

so here's my dilemna, I have to make weight memorial day weekend, last year I used Brn-2 by ACL and the Reduction PM and it worked really well, dropped 40 pounds (some of that was before I started the Brn), now I have my diet and cardio dialed back in and i just need a little boost to get down to weight, kind of a big cut, anyways I'm looking at the Animal Pak or Lipo-6, since I have like 6 weeks, i was thinking of doing the 21 day animal pak cycle, then taking two weeks off, and hitting it again for the last week, would this be enough of a break between cycles? or should I wait a week or two and then go with the 30 day lipo cycle? I also think I'm gonna use the Reduction again, It was awesome on nights when i could get enough sleep.

[Sprite2]

also is it safe to take animal cuts or lipo while on my pct (Esto by ACL this time)

[CONTROLLED LABS]

so here's my dilemna, I have to make weight memorial day weekend, last year I used Brn-2 by ACL and the Reduction PM and it worked really well, dropped 40 pounds (some of that was before I started the Brn), now I have my diet and cardio dialed back in and i just need a little boost to get down to weight, kind of a big cut, anyways I'm looking at the Animal Pak or Lipo-6, since I have like 6 weeks, i was thinking of doing the 21 day animal pak cycle, then taking two weeks off, and hitting it again for the last week, would this be enough of a break between cycles? or should I wait a week or two and then go with the 30 day lipo cycle? I also think I'm gonna use the Reduction again, It was awesome on nights when i could get enough sleep.

glad to hear you enjoyed REDuction PM. have you thought of the combo kit? for only 10 bucks more you can get the AM too ;)

[Cman90]

Are certain fat burners more effective for women than others or do they have the same effects that they do on men?

[Rmoss84211]

People im like 5'8 156 i do mad cardio and lift which of the 2 fat burners should i Take Thanks for the help

[Fait]

Is Reduction PM considered a fat burner? Is this better than hydroxycut hardcore , lipo 6, etc?

I also work at night, around 8pm-5am daily. Is reduction PM the right for me or the reduction AM?

[EatenByAlgae]

Fait-

I work 2am- 10am... ive used Reduction with great success. Take the AM and PM formula. i had to take the AM prior to heading into work... then the PM prior to heading to bed... flips your day upside down

[naturalguy]

You mention taking out the red pill which has most of the stims, then will animal cuts not be as beneficial? Will the consumer still feel "pumped"? Because it sounds like the RED pill is the one that helps burn the fat.

Is it okay to take the pills with creatine together before my workout?

And does Bodybuilding.com sell the new Animal Cuts?

If you take out the red pill from Animal Cuts it's not as effective as the whole formula however it's a great option to have in case you are stacking it with another product that has stims or taking it late at night however the rest of the formula is still very effective.

You can take your creatine with it with no bad interaction.

BB.com is only selling the new formula as far as I know.

[Fait]

@EatenByAlgae:
Thanks for the prompt reply. Looks like we have the same lifestyle working at night. So the reduction am/pm may not be taken before working out like other fat burners? As long as you take the AM before work and the PM before heading to bed will be just fine?

[EvolutionIX]

@EatenByAlgae:
Thanks for the prompt reply. Looks like we have the same lifestyle working at night. So the reduction am/pm may not be taken before working out like other fat burners? As long as you take the AM before work and the PM before heading to bed will be just fine?

The AM contains stims...so it could be taken pre-workout...but this would only make sense if you work out when you wake up. Because unlike other fatburners where you may have a morning dose and an afternoon dose, Reduction is only 1 dose (2 pills red) AM and 1 dose (2 pills black) PM. Since your schedule is different than others you do what was mentioned above...2 red AM pills upon wakening and 2 black PM pills before bed. PM does not contain stims as its supposed to help with sleep also.

So if you workout after waking up then you could probably use the reduction am as a pre-workout as it does contain stims. But if you work out later on...then i would just use a regular pre-workout...as that would help more anyway for "pre-work out" energy as that is geared towards that more than just a fat burner is.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

@EatenByAlgae:
Thanks for the prompt reply. Looks like we have the same lifestyle working at night. So the reduction am/pm may not be taken before working out like other fat burners? As long as you take the AM before work and the PM before heading to bed will be just fine?

REDuction can be, but the appetite suppresants make pre meals a better use :)

[Fait]

@CL: The REDuction that is being sold here at bb.com is already a package of AM and PM right, 60 pieces each?

Thanks!

[CONTROLLED LABS]

@CL: The REDuction that is being sold here at bb.com is already a package of AM and PM right, 60 pieces each?

Thanks!

correct. the kit includes both at 30 servings each (2 tabs per serving)

[Defenbach]

Okay so I started Animal cuts weighing 207ish. I workout 5 times a week and play baseball on the weekends. After a couple cycles of cuts I was at 205, slightly more built and slightly leaner. Even since then I've gotten off cuts and just been on REDuction PM and anti-oxidants. I now weight 194, and FAR leaner and more built. I have done slightly more cardio and changed my lifting schedule slightly but only to make sure I don't Plateau.

Because I've lost more weight taking JUST REDuction PM and anti-oxidants I'm thinking about getting on REDuction AM as well to see how it works. Animal cuts says they guarantee results but that didn't happen. I know that there is a controlled labs rep around that can answer this question:
What can the REDuction AM/PM combination do for me that CUTS/PM won't?
I HAVE to get down to 185 before summer but I also don't want to have to lose muscle mass to do so.

[Fait]

correct. the kit includes both at 30 servings each (2 tabs per serving)
Thanks again. I will be ordering my REDuction already. Hopefully I get it on 1st week of May. Ill keep you guys posted. :D

[EatenByAlgae]

Ive been using VPX for a little over a week now...

Love it. I have so much energy heading into work, im in a great mood, and my appetite is completely under control

I havent lost any weight... but its making me leaner... im fitting into my smaller shirts.

A big part of that is rock climbing i bet... the no net loss of weight thing

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Thanks again. I will be ordering my REDuction already. Hopefully I get it on 1st week of May. Ill keep you guys posted. :D

sounds great, keep a log if you have the time :)

[thatboijohn]

i just got me some animal cuts . i want to know what is inside the pills or what does each one do.

i kno about the red and the blue ones.

[greasyholio]

I took animal cuts for several months, with not much success. I took Lipo6 (not 6x) and lost 15 lbs over 2 months and kept all my strength. my vote is Lipo 6 regular.

Anyone else a Lipo-6'er?

[dstryr]

I've taken Reduction and Animal cuts before doing the EC Stack...

Got decent results with reduction...limited with Animal Cuts but getting very good results with Ephedra....already down 7lbs in 3 weeks, lifts have gone up and looking leaner...why is everyone so hesitant to use it?

[david8613]

sounds great, keep a log if you have the time :)

is it possible to stack oxyelite pro with reduction am and pm?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I've taken Reduction and Animal cuts before doing the EC Stack...

Got decent results with reduction...limited with Animal Cuts but getting very good results with Ephedra....already down 7lbs in 3 weeks, lifts have gone up and looking leaner...why is everyone so hesitant to use it?
ephedra is a drug and can be dangerous, which is why many avoid it. also hard to come by unless you go to a drug store and show your license.

is it possible to stack oxyelite pro with reduction am and pm?

we dont suggest using any of our products with 1,3 dimeth. in general you wouldn't want to stack two stim based fat burners anyway

[amrit02]

Anyone tried MHP Anadrox yet? Heard from a couple of my friends that this fat burner gives amazing results

[FellatioKane]

Id have to say atro phex by bsn

[david8613]

ephedra is a drug and can be dangerous, which is why many avoid it. also hard to come by unless you go to a drug store and show your license.


we dont suggest using any of our products with 1,3 dimeth. in general you wouldn't want to stack two stim based fat burners anyway

thanks for the quick response, what about the pm pills i see alot of people using it with other burners can i use only the night time pill with oxyelite pro? i tried it, i had great sleep and good results in the gym, lots of energy considering im so out of shape...doing intervals for a half hour...

[stuckinbfe]

Neogenix velocity xt!!!!

[CONTROLLED LABS]

thanks for the quick response, what about the pm pills i see alot of people using it with other burners can i use only the night time pill with oxyelite pro? i tried it, i had great sleep and good results in the gym, lots of energy considering im so out of shape...doing intervals for a half hour...

with other stim burners its fine. we just dont recommend using our products with those that contain 1,3 dimeth in any case

[truckertim]

has anybody used USP labs Oxy ELite Pro?

[djon2]

Forgive if this has been answered, but I have looked everywhere. I am almost 40 and looking to lose about 20lbs to get back to what I consider my healthy weight (175lb). 12 years ago I used Hydroxycut (with ephedra) with an andro boost (another banned supp) with good effect. Since then I have developed a blood pressure and thyroid problem, but they are controlled by meds (fairly low doses comparitively speaking) with multiple yearly physicals. My wieght has been basically stagnant for the past 4 years despite a change in diet and exercise and looking for a jumpstart to rekick things into gear.

I have tried Xanthrax 3 (sp?) and didn't like it too much. Tried the newer Hyrdoxycut (did nothing). Currently taking NOXplode, plus a multi-vitamin, fish oil, and Triflex (none of which are wieght loss related) and sometimes Gakic if I will be doing short burst intensity type training (like plyo or heavy bag).

I normally get up between 5 and 5:30 and will either exercise at 10:00 or right when I wake up.

Looking at ReDuction, Animal Cuts or this newer QNT product but have been confused by some of the posts as to which would work best (or combination like AC and RedPM) but are also safe for those with controlled medical issues. I should mention that caffiene is not a problem for me as I daily take far more caffiene than what is in any of them. Also, the NOXplode and others has had no negative effect on any of my blood tests or BP tests.

[bubblegumkitty]

Ok... Over the years I've tried A LOT of different diet pills. Right now I'm on Meltdown. So far I like it! I can't tolerate too much stimulant so this works and doesn't make me shaky! I'm trying to figure out if this is the best thing I can be on or if there is something out there that is going to help me burn fat faster without getting shaky?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Forgive if this has been answered, but I have looked everywhere. I am almost 40 and looking to lose about 20lbs to get back to what I consider my healthy weight (175lb). 12 years ago I used Hydroxycut (with ephedra) with an andro boost (another banned supp) with good effect. Since then I have developed a blood pressure and thyroid problem, but they are controlled by meds (fairly low doses comparitively speaking) with multiple yearly physicals. My wieght has been basically stagnant for the past 4 years despite a change in diet and exercise and looking for a jumpstart to rekick things into gear.

I have tried Xanthrax 3 (sp?) and didn't like it too much. Tried the newer Hyrdoxycut (did nothing). Currently taking NOXplode, plus a multi-vitamin, fish oil, and Triflex (none of which are wieght loss related) and sometimes Gakic if I will be doing short burst intensity type training (like plyo or heavy bag).

I normally get up between 5 and 5:30 and will either exercise at 10:00 or right when I wake up.

Looking at ReDuction, Animal Cuts or this newer QNT product but have been confused by some of the posts as to which would work best (or combination like AC and RedPM) but are also safe for those with controlled medical issues. I should mention that caffiene is not a problem for me as I daily take far more caffiene than what is in any of them. Also, the NOXplode and others has had no negative effect on any of my blood tests or BP tests.

if you are looking into taking REDuction am/pm, contact your doctor first :)

[pwicks83]

Erogoburn by ergogenix. I'm just about done with my log on it and loved it. This combined with a high protein diet and working out has made my six pack stick out.

[pokerdude069]

coffee will work fine.... 2 cups b4 you run... Thats all you need people... and some heart and drive perhaps

[rn53982]

Hi all and please forgive me if this has been asked.

I am currently a week into my first ever experience with Animal Cuts. Just wondering from those who have taken it before:

Did you notice extreme appetite suppressant while taking? I know this varies person to person, but I am normally hungry all the time but since taking this stuff for a week I don't feel hungry hardly AT ALL!!!

Other than a slight hungar when first waking, I have to force myself to eat the rest of the day.

Just curious about others' experiences.

Thanks

[bly3]

Been taking Animal cuts for a few months now (with the 1 week rest period) and I have lost a few pounds. However, ive also ate a lot cleaner and worked out more with focus on cardio and weight loss then muscle gain (a notiecable loss in muscle size). So I may have gotten the same results without the supp.

Before buying another 2 month supply I wanted to see if anyone has taken animal cuts and another stack and if they experienced better results with the other supplement.

On a side note, water consumption is very important specifically when taking cuts. Is this strictly to ensure your kidney isnt being adversely affected? I know water helps reduce appetite but if that were the reason for the suggestion then it wouldnt pertain specifically to Cuts. I remember someone saying that the large ammount of water consumed would "carry the fat away" than would remain if not washed out by the water but that just sounds rediculous.

[jlara1987]

Arson is pretty good...by Muscle Asylum Project

[EvolutionIX]

has anybody used USP labs Oxy ELite Pro?

Yup i just finished taking it and really enjoyed it. I have taking a fair share of fat burners in the passed. I felt like this one had a noticeable appetite suppression...the rest really never did that to me. But it seemed to go away after the first couple weeks. But as long as you have a proper diet and exercise i feel Oxy Elite Pro worked very good. I stacked it with Lean Xtreme and Reduction PM. Lean Xtreme has always seemed to work great when i stack it with a stim fat burner.

I had 2 bottles of each...so it would have been an 8 week cut with it. But i beleive i stopped somewhere around 6 weeks. Reason being is cause i was already very happy with how much i lost and i wanted to get my 4 weeks off so i could start what i wanted to do next sooner. I dropped from around 200lb to around 185lb.

REDuction AM/PM was also something else i was pleased with when i took it last year.

[bly3]

Yup i just finished taking it and really enjoyed it. I have taking a fair share of fat burners in the passed. I felt like this one had a noticeable appetite suppression...the rest really never did that to me. But it seemed to go away after the first couple weeks. But as long as you have a proper diet and exercise i feel Oxy Elite Pro worked very good. I stacked it with Lean Xtreme and Reduction PM. Lean Xtreme has always seemed to work great when i stack it with a stim fat burner.

I had 2 bottles of each...so it would have been an 8 week cut with it. But i beleive i stopped somewhere around 6 weeks. Reason being is cause i was already very happy with how much i lost and i wanted to get my 4 weeks off so i could start what i wanted to do next sooner. I dropped from around 200lb to around 185lb.

REDuction AM/PM was also something else i was pleased with when i took it last year.



Out of the two stacks 1.oxy elite pro/lean extreme/reduction pm or the simeple reduction am/pm which did you see the best results from?

[EvolutionIX]

Out of the two stacks 1.oxy elite pro/lean extreme/reduction pm or the simeple reduction am/pm which did you see the best results from?

Well i took the REDuction AM/PM last year...and i believe i also stacked that with Lean Xtreme. So the major difference between the 2 cuts would have been using Reduction AM for my stim last time around, and using Oxy Elite Pro as my stim this time around...as both times Lean Xtreme and Reduction PM where included.

Both worked well. I know last year i cut down from mid 190's to mid 170's. But this was also using 11-oxo after my reduction am/pm. Used that to try and get the last bit off. So a loss of about 20lb. Now im already 15lb if not more down from my starting weight which was around 200, and all i used was oxy elite pro with lean xtreme and reduction pm for about 6 weeks. Im taking 4 weeks off and gonna do a 40 day cycle of 11-oxo. I weight more than i did last year but at 185ish now i look almost the same as i did last year at 175ish (body fat wise). Strength is up and i have more muscle this time around.

I say try either one. Both worked well. I felt Oxy Elite/Lean Xtreme/Reduction PM worked very well though. But remember the fat loss supps won't do crap if you don't diet and exercise properly. Those are more important than supps.

[bly3]

Well i took the REDuction AM/PM last year...and i believe i also stacked that with Lean Xtreme. So the major difference between the 2 cuts would have been using Reduction AM for my stim last time around, and using Oxy Elite Pro as my stim this time around...as both times Lean Xtreme and Reduction PM where included.

Both worked well. I know last year i cut down from mid 190's to mid 170's. But this was also using 11-oxo after my reduction am/pm. Used that to try and get the last bit off. So a loss of about 20lb. Now im already 15lb if not more down from my starting weight which was around 200, and all i used was oxy elite pro with lean xtreme and reduction pm for about 6 weeks. Im taking 4 weeks off and gonna do a 40 day cycle of 11-oxo. I weight more than i did last year but at 185ish now i look almost the same as i did last year at 175ish (body fat wise). Strength is up and i have more muscle this time around.

I say try either one. Both worked well. I felt Oxy Elite/Lean Xtreme/Reduction PM worked very well though. But remember the fat loss supps won't do crap if you don't diet and exercise properly. Those are more important than supps.



Thanks, appreciate the input. My routine is pretty solid right now (Lift 45 mins and boxing training for an hr right after.. 3 days a week and lift 45/run 30 2 days a week). Diet is clean but gotta eliminate some of the laziness of not cooking full meals and having to rely on the **** around work..

[robertmm94]

would animal cuts stacked with REDuction pm and man vaporize for some good fatty acids be a good stack?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Well i took the REDuction AM/PM last year...and i believe i also stacked that with Lean Xtreme. So the major difference between the 2 cuts would have been using Reduction AM for my stim last time around, and using Oxy Elite Pro as my stim this time around...as both times Lean Xtreme and Reduction PM where included.

Both worked well. I know last year i cut down from mid 190's to mid 170's. But this was also using 11-oxo after my reduction am/pm. Used that to try and get the last bit off. So a loss of about 20lb. Now im already 15lb if not more down from my starting weight which was around 200, and all i used was oxy elite pro with lean xtreme and reduction pm for about 6 weeks. Im taking 4 weeks off and gonna do a 40 day cycle of 11-oxo. I weight more than i did last year but at 185ish now i look almost the same as i did last year at 175ish (body fat wise). Strength is up and i have more muscle this time around.

I say try either one. Both worked well. I felt Oxy Elite/Lean Xtreme/Reduction PM worked very well though. But remember the fat loss supps won't do crap if you don't diet and exercise properly. Those are more important than supps.
awesome, glad you enjoyed REDuction am/pm so much :)

would animal cuts stacked with REDuction pm and man vaporize for some good fatty acids be a good stack?
sure, but for only 10 bucks more you can get the full REDuction am/pm stack ;)

[bly3]

Would reduction am/pm be comparable to animal cuts? Then you add the lean xtreme to either or does the animal cuts eliminate the need for lean extreme?

Also, does reduction am/pm have a diuretic in it like animal cuts?

[spartamuscle]

Controlled Labs, does your REDuction AM/PM stack sold in Europe have exactly the same amount of ingredients as the US version?

Unfortunately Animal Cuts in EU is pretty far away from Cuts you guys have in US.

[WayanWiednya22]

Just google thermalene and look at some reviews...

Thermalene is by Syn-Tec Sports Nutrition and can be found on the SynTecOnline website..

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Would reduction am/pm be comparable to animal cuts? Then you add the lean xtreme to either or does the animal cuts eliminate the need for lean extreme?

Also, does reduction am/pm have a diuretic in it like animal cuts?
we cant compare products, its against board rules.

REDuction does have a light diuretic in it

Controlled Labs, does your REDuction AM/PM stack sold in Europe have exactly the same amount of ingredients as the US version?

Unfortunately Animal Cuts in EU is pretty far away from Cuts you guys have in US.
yes, REDuction only has one formula if you find it in tablets. Australia has a different formula and is in powder

[Fait]

Finally got my Reduction am/pm. I just take 2 AM's before working out and 2 PM's before going to bed, right?

[Nivea]

Testing OxyELITE Pro (oep) atm (2nd day), results are very promising :D

[naturalguy]

Would reduction am/pm be comparable to animal cuts? Then you add the lean xtreme to either or does the animal cuts eliminate the need for lean extreme?

Also, does reduction am/pm have a diuretic in it like animal cuts?

They are very different products. There is nothing really like Animal Cuts on the market. In my opinion it's the most complete and flexible fat burner available.

Lean Xtreme is a different type product and stacks very well with Animal Cuts.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Finally got my Reduction am/pm. I just take 2 AM's before working out and 2 PM's before going to bed, right?

2 AM before breakfast or lunch. 2 PM before dinner or before bed.

[bly3]

The Lean Xtreme says 1 tablet 2-4 times daily which obviously is quite a difference. What do you guys recommend dosage wise stacking with OEP/Reduction PM. I was thinking taking 3 a day since I would be taking 3 OEP a day as well. 90 caps in both bottles leaving aneven 30 day dosage (plus a few days to make up for taking only 2 to test the tolerance).

[Deebo69]

Tried Animal Cuts without much success. I work out 5 days a week. Going back to the EC stack.

[Fait]

Thanks CL! I started taking the PM last night and the AM this morning, ill be posting my weight loss results soon as i finish the supplements.

[Nivea]

The Lean Xtreme says 1 tablet 2-4 times daily which obviously is quite a difference. What do you guys recommend dosage wise stacking with OEP/Reduction PM. I was thinking taking 3 a day since I would be taking 3 OEP a day as well. 90 caps in both bottles leaving aneven 30 day dosage (plus a few days to make up for taking only 2 to test the tolerance).

Dude, you should really take a break! Taking 3 OEP's a day + another 2-4 weight loss pills? Thats like suicide!

Lol and I was thinking about 1 Oep for 2 days because of its power!


I have to say I'm really impressed with OEP. I was gonna wait to take them untill my crosstrainer was fixed. But I'm just starting my 3rd day and I already lost 2.1kg (1.4kg+0.7kg) weight without even training. It's almost as good as slimxtreme, maybe its as good I'll have to wait and see.

[DAFTEK]

Tried Animal Cuts without much success. I work out 5 days a week. Going back to the EC stack.

Same with me, over a month on Animal Cuts and no changes, my appetite is higher then ever and i cant cut like this. I need to find something else that can cut back my appetite...

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Thanks CL! I started taking the PM last night and the AM this morning, ill be posting my weight loss results soon as i finish the supplements.

awesome. how did you like REDuction thus far?

[bly3]

Dude, you should really take a break! Taking 3 OEP's a day + another 2-4 weight loss pills? Thats like suicide!

Lol and I was thinking about 1 Oep for 2 days because of its power!


I have to say I'm really impressed with OEP. I was gonna wait to take them untill my crosstrainer was fixed. But I'm just starting my 3rd day and I already lost 2.1kg (1.4kg+0.7kg) weight without even training. It's almost as good as slimxtreme, maybe its as good I'll have to wait and see.

One is a stim and one isnt. I have been stim free for 2 weeks so I don't think that is going to be an issue.

[Deebo69]

Same with me, over a month on Animal Cuts and no changes, my appetite is higher then ever and i cant cut like this. I need to find something else that can cut back my appetite...

Yeah, luckily the Red PM helped curb the appetitie at night and I eat very clean and stick to my diet pretty well so the diet is staying in check. I'm just looking for a little extra nudge to maybe help along the fat burning process. I had high hopes for Animal Cuts but it looks like the people saying that there no better thermogenic than the EC stack may be right. I'm gonna cycle onto the EC stack in a couple weeks and add the green tea extract and hopefully that'll help as well as it did the last cycle.

[Fait]

awesome. how did you like REDuction thus far?
I haven't noticed any effect yet using the PM but for the AM pills, it's awesome, it's really an appetite suppressant. I took it 30 mins before breakfast but when I was about to eat, I really lost my appetite.

EDIT: Does the PM makes you hungry? That's what i felt this morning when I woke up, i feel more hungry than ever. Is that a good sign that the pills are taking into effect?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Yeah, luckily the Red PM helped curb the appetitie at night and I eat very clean and stick to my diet pretty well so the diet is staying in check. I'm just looking for a little extra nudge to maybe help along the fat burning process. I had high hopes for Animal Cuts but it looks like the people saying that there no better thermogenic than the EC stack may be right. I'm gonna cycle onto the EC stack in a couple weeks and add the green tea extract and hopefully that'll help as well as it did the last cycle.
glad you are enjoying REDuction PM :)

I haven't noticed any effect yet using the PM but for the AM pills, it's awesome, it's really an appetite suppressant. I took it 30 mins before breakfast but when I was about to eat, I really lost my appetite.

EDIT: Does the PM makes you hungry? That's what i felt this morning when I woke up, i feel more hungry than ever. Is that a good sign that the pills are taking into effect?

the goal of the PM is to curb night time cravings/hunger. the next morning has nothing to do with the night before. the next morning if you take the AM ones it should help dissipate the morning hunger.

[jgreene502]

best overall fat burner would for sure have to beeeee.................Clenbuterol

[i6or]

I have just finished my Animal Cuts, and I did not lose much weight, that's with 2-3 hour 5 day workout sessions with cardio. Had better success last year with hydroxycut.

[AlwaysReforming]

I like BURN from TRUE PROTEIN.com

[Fait]

Is it safe to take the REDuction AM with Zytrim (Sibutramine HCl monohydrate)?

[smt1]

best overall fat burner would for sure have to beeeee.................Clenbuterol

Fixing this for you: Clen + T3 + Anabolics

[jh117693]

Should I try a stack with something along the lines of:

Taking 1 Lean Xtreme in the AM, then one REDuction PM at night?Would this be advisable or should I try something else for a fat loss pill/stack?

Thanks for any responses!

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Is it safe to take the REDuction AM with Zytrim (Sibutramine HCl monohydrate)?
you would need to ask your doctor about that for sure

Should I try a stack with something along the lines of:

Taking 1 Lean Xtreme in the AM, then one REDuction PM at night?Would this be advisable or should I try something else for a fat loss pill/stack?

Thanks for any responses!

take 2 tabs of REDuction PM, as that is the dose

[KingLouisXXIV]

Currently using OEP + Alpha T2 stacked 2+2/1+1.

Loving it. About to add Lean Xtreme into the mix dosed 2/2.

Only stims come from OEP-- can stack it with ANY other non-stim products.

[bly3]

Just took my first dose of OEP today. Hot damn did I feel it. I never "felt" the Animal Cuts like I felt the OEP. I am hoping I get a little more used to it within a week or so, **** had me feeling jittery as a bastard.

In regards to Reduction PM, is its only purpose to kill nightime craving? If so, why take it 30 minutes before bed instead of a few hours before. The last few minutes before I go to sleep I am no where near a fridge.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

In regards to Reduction PM, is its only purpose to kill nightime craving? If so, why take it 30 minutes before bed instead of a few hours before. The last few minutes before I go to sleep I am no where near a fridge.

ideally taken around dinner, many like it closer to bed due to the sleep enhancement qualities of it.

[mccoy19]

Alright I have a weird but serious question... are any ephedra free fatloss supplements as effective as ephedra? If not, do any come close? I hate how ephedra makes me feel, but I'm skeptical with these ephedra free products. Thanks in advance for any responses in here.

http://www.deporteybelleza.com/products/ephedrine_plus2.jpghttps://www.fitnessphreaks.info/workout/upload/34/b/happy.gif

[bly3]

Alright I have a weird but serious question... are any ephedra free fatloss supplements as effective as ephedra? If not, do any come close? I hate how ephedra makes me feel, but I'm skeptical with these ephedra free products. Thanks in advance for any responses in here.

http://www.deporteybelleza.com/products/ephedrine_plus2.jpghttps://www.fitnessphreaks.info/workout/upload/34/b/happy.gif

If you have a few ****ty workouts or cant eat normally because the way the ephedrine makes you feel than any benefits of the ephedrine over these other supplements will be easily negated.


Question on the OEP. Day 3 im feeling a lot better than days 1 and 2 with just one pill. When upping it to 2 in a week or so, would it be much worse to take with food. I know these thermos and pre workout supps are intended to be taken on an empty stomach to get into your bloodstream quick but other than initial rush of energy is there any benefit of taking it on an empty stomach vs with food?

[isaacstaco]

im really liking OEP. almost done with my second bottle. since you have to take a 4 week break after each cycle, what would be a good supp to take to keep the fat comming off? i was thinking about taking Double-T Sports KetoCuts. would that be safe?

[bly3]

im really liking OEP. almost done with my second bottle. since you have to take a 4 week break after each cycle, what would be a good supp to take to keep the fat comming off? i was thinking about taking Double-T Sports KetoCuts. would that be safe?

Mind sharing some before and after stats? I assume you got to the three a day doseage. First 2 days for me were jittery with only 2 and last 2 days have been really good with just 2.

[xxtotuxx]

I really enjoyed Man Scorch. With a dead on diet plus some cardio I made some great changes. I'm sure it would have been even better with a non-stim like LX or Reduction. I'd recommend it to anyone looking for a fat burner.

Only bad thing would be the simple dosage of caffeine which really wouldn't do much to someone already stim tolerant.

[hodong6389]

just get a cheap ass thermo doesnt matter what it is and stack it with CLA, youll be ****ing fat bitches in no time

[deargodno]

Neogenix velocity xt!!!!

I just finished 2 bottles of these, pretty good results - though when I first started using it I got eye twitches.. dunno if that's normal.

I want to try USP labs Oxy ELite Pro next, hopefully it can ship to Aus.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I just finished 2 bottles of these, pretty good results - though when I first started using it I got eye twitches.. dunno if that's normal.

I want to try USP labs Oxy ELite Pro next, hopefully it can ship to Aus.

REDuction am/pm powder is available in Australia :)

[ASK.]

CELLUCOR D4.. all i can say is OMG!

Check out the log!

[deargodno]

REDuction am/pm powder is available in Australia :)

Any chance we'll see the AM/PM stack on wheycheap?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Any chance we'll see the AM/PM stack on wheycheap?

no current plans for it to go up there, already very well priced at 27 bucks :)

[bloodsimple1234]

Viper is getting excellent reviews!

[truckertim]

Well i took the REDuction AM/PM last year...and i believe i also stacked that with Lean Xtreme. So the major difference between the 2 cuts would have been using Reduction AM for my stim last time around, and using Oxy Elite Pro as my stim this time around...as both times Lean Xtreme and Reduction PM where included.

Both worked well. I know last year i cut down from mid 190's to mid 170's. But this was also using 11-oxo after my reduction am/pm. Used that to try and get the last bit off. So a loss of about 20lb. Now im already 15lb if not more down from my starting weight which was around 200, and all i used was oxy elite pro with lean xtreme and reduction pm for about 6 weeks. Im taking 4 weeks off and gonna do a 40 day cycle of 11-oxo. I weight more than i did last year but at 185ish now i look almost the same as i did last year at 175ish (body fat wise). Strength is up and i have more muscle this time around.

I say try either one. Both worked well. I felt Oxy Elite/Lean Xtreme/Reduction PM worked very well though. But remember the fat loss supps won't do crap if you don't diet and exercise properly. Those are more important than supps.


What where the dosages you took and when did you take them when you did the Oxy Elite/Lean Xtreme/Reduction PM stack?

Also I'm currently taking HGH up everynight before bed, should i sstop using the up when i start the Oxy Elite/Lean Xtreme/Reduction PM stack?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

What where the dosages you took and when did you take them when you did the Oxy Elite/Lean Xtreme/Reduction PM stack?

Also I'm currently taking HGH up everynight before bed, should i sstop using the up when i start the Oxy Elite/Lean Xtreme/Reduction PM stack?

its fine to take with REduction PM

[masong11]

well from my understanding all the major fat burners after the ban of ephedrine went to synephrine , any ways i use a product called epic-lean its amazing i can take a pill in the morning and the energy last me 6-8 hrs maybe more i lost around 10 pounds within a few weeks. i have had problems crashing on other fat burners or getting irritable but the mood enhancer in epic-lean is worth it all together it puts me in a great mood all day. not to mention the bottle last 2 months and the suff is half the price of most other fatburners with the same ingredients that for some reason dont work half as good, so thats my story and im sticking to it!

[FlyingBallerina]

So I've been back-searching regarding supplements and found a lot of good information ..... but opinions and suggestions seem to be somewhat inconsistent, aside from the usual recommendation of Animal Cuts or an EC stack. So I figured I would post and ask for maybe a more specific suggestion that applies to what I'm looking for.


Here's my story - I have taken a few different brands of supplements, mostly ones you can find OTC (Hydroxycut, Xenadrine, Metabolife). Hydroxycut seemed to be the "magic pill" for me in terms of getting my energy up, feeling a thermogenic effect and cutting my appetite. Those are really the top three things I look for in a supplement, but ever since Hydroxy was recalled for being dangerous I stopped investing in them.

I found I've become a lot less "strict" or "on task" with my workouts now that I'm not on a supplement, and I'm having a hard ass time getting over a plateau. So now I'm back in to looking at options.

I am an avid coffee drinker, and I used to take green tea supplements, so I am pretty tolerant to caffeine. I am not worried so much about the energy aspect of it since I DO drink so much coffee, but more so looking for the thermogenic effect and appetite suppressant. I am also incredibly broke (I am on our Link card system which is the equivalent to food stamps), so I can't invest in something like Animal Cuts where I'll have to buy new packs every couple of weeks, or another supplement that only has a limited supply of pills. With that said, I would like something that gives you a pretty large supply while not needing to take 3+ a day just to feel them. I know with quality price goes up, but I can't really afford investing $50/mo to supplements. That also means I cannot stack anything, as that would mean essentially investing in two different supplements. I just can't afford it.

While looking in to supplements and doing my research, Lipo6 looked like the best bang for my buck. It's cheap (at least on Ebay, right around $25 including shipping), and gives you a 120 pill supply. I have also heard good reviews regarding them, so I was ready to board the bandwagon. But now I see barely ANYONE recommending them .... So I'm curious as to if the ingredients have changed recently, or if there are just better options out there.

So -- any suggestions? I feel like it's so hard to find a legit supplement out there that you don't have to dish the big bucks for .... Ugh.

[Orion35]

Just took my first dose of OEP today. Hot damn did I feel it. I never "felt" the Animal Cuts like I felt the OEP. I am hoping I get a little more used to it within a week or so, **** had me feeling jittery as a bastard.

I've taken OxyELITE Pro (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/usp/oxyelite-pro.html) for 5 days now. I lost a ton of fat already, in all areas of my body. However at the same time I've seriously upped my protein intake. I've also been taking CLA which I imagine helps with fat burning.

Consequently I've actually gained 4 lbs., but I know that I have lost a lot of fat, because I can see and feel the difference.

I get an intense 4 hour anaerobic workout, 5 days a week (my job). Unfortunately I get 0 cardio, because of a torn ACL. So I figured it would be impossible to burn fat quickly, since everywhere I have read, a person is required to do cardio in order to burn fat quickly.

The first 2 days I took 1 pill but did not feel anything. I now take 2 pills in the morning. The next 2 days it did make me feel jittery (my fingers would dance all over the place when I would flex my hand), but today I was fine.

The intense anaerobic workout I get seems to really ignite the thermogenesis effect.

The other two great things about OEP is that it eliminates hunger for me. I have to force myself to eat, otherwise I would probably only eat 2 meals a day. The other thing which I really love, is it gives me a strong feeling of bliss; euphoria. Like the endorphin rush I would get after jogging for a long time, and then finishing with a 1 minute sprint. I'd say that feeling lasts for about 6 hours, then starts to wane. I'm going to start taking another pill 6 hours later to hopefully continue the effects for the remainder of the day.

The reason I decided to take this was that it had/has received a lot of reviews and is currently ranked 9/10. So far from my brief experience, I'd give it a 9/10 as well.

[bly3]

I've taken OxyELITE Pro (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/usp/oxyelite-pro.html) for 5 days now. I lost a ton of fat already, in all areas of my body. However at the same time I've seriously upped my protein intake. I've also been taking CLA which I imagine helps with fat burning.

Consequently I've actually gained 4 lbs., but I know that I have lost a lot of fat, because I can see and feel the difference.

I get an intense 4 hour anaerobic workout, 5 days a week (my job). Unfortunately I get 0 cardio, because of a torn ACL. So I figured it would be impossible to burn fat quickly, since everywhere I have read, a person is required to do cardio in order to burn fat quickly.

The first 2 days I took 1 pill but did not feel anything. I now take 2 pills in the morning. The next 2 days it did make me feel jittery (my fingers would dance all over the place when I would flex my hand), but today I was fine.

The intense anaerobic workout I get seems to really ignite the thermogenesis effect.

The other two great things about OEP is that it eliminates hunger for me. I have to force myself to eat, otherwise I would probably only eat 2 meals a day. The other thing which I really love, is it gives me a strong feeling of bliss; euphoria. Like the endorphin rush I would get after jogging for a long time, and then finishing with a 1 minute sprint. I'd say that feeling lasts for about 6 hours, then starts to wane. I'm going to start taking another pill 6 hours later to hopefully continue the effects for the remainder of the day.

The reason I decided to take this was that it had/has received a lot of reviews and is currently ranked 9/10. So far from my brief experience, I'd give it a 9/10 as well.

Do you take the CLA in lieu of fish oil?

[jcosley]

I've taken OxyELITE Pro (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/usp/oxyelite-pro.html) for 5 days now. I lost a ton of fat already, in all areas of my body.

Wow....5 days huh? That statement should help noobs out.

[Kybar]

Wow....5 days huh? That statement should help noobs out.

5 days is no where near enough time to know the true effects. I really liked the hot rox extreme had results with is, but id have to say mitotropin takes the cake. In the 30 day supply with a good diet adn cardio program i busted off 18 pounds. Thats excellent in my opinion

[Bk1Jammin]

The guy at GNC told me that Lipo6x or Hydroxycut work, but I've been reading that they have bad side effects? I want to take a fat burner, but I'm kinda worried that I'll have those bad side effects (headache, increased heartrate, nausea etc). I don't wanna get any hardcore side effects because I live in a city where I'm not familiar with the clinics or hospitals if the extreme's happen. Any tips on which one to take, or if I'm overreacting? lol.

And do they REALLY work? I go to the gym 6 days a week and eat pretty much only healthy food.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

The guy at GNC told me that Lipo6x or Hydroxycut work, but I've been reading that they have bad side effects? I want to take a fat burner, but I'm kinda worried that I'll have those bad side effects (headache, increased heartrate, nausea etc). I don't wanna get any hardcore side effects because I live in a city where I'm not familiar with the clinics or hospitals if the extreme's happen. Any tips on which one to take, or if I'm overreacting? lol.

And do they REALLY work? I go to the gym 6 days a week and eat pretty much only healthy food.

how much are you trying to lose?

[Bk1Jammin]

Well overall I want to lose like 70+ lbs but I obviously don't expect to lose that with those fat burners. I just wanted to take something to speed it up a little bit I guess.

[pphil09]

Well overall I want to lose like 70+ lbs but I obviously don't expect to lose that with those fat burners. I just wanted to take something to speed it up a little bit I guess.

imo lose the majority of the fat first, then take the burner when youre trying to get from 12% to 10%

[Bk1Jammin]

Wow ok so I need to lose that original 30 % to get to the 15%, then use a fat burner. Woo this'll be fun! haha thanks for the help man.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

imo lose the majority of the fat first, then take the burner when youre trying to get from 12% to 10%

yeah, the motivation, diet and training need to be in check first for sure

[Mulewhipper]

Just got my "Reduction AM/PM"

Trying to move the needle a little bit.

The only other supplement I am using is White Flood.
Will these be Ok to use together?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Just got my "Reduction AM/PM"

Trying to move the needle a little bit.

The only other supplement I am using is White Flood.
Will these be Ok to use together?

make sure to spread the am pills and white flood out by at least 4-5 hours. let us know how you like the stack. what flavor fruit punch did you get?

[Mulewhipper]

what flavor fruit punch did you get?

Ummmmm....I got White Rasberry...thinking about trying some fruit punch next time though

:D
Thanks for the tip ;)

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Ummmmm....I got White Rasberry...thinking about trying some fruit punch next time though

:D
Thanks for the tip ;)

def look into it, its the best tasting pre on the market, you will see ;)

[joejccva71]

I just finished a AX+LX cycle and was wondering if I can go ahead and immediately start OxyElite Pro by itself or should I take 4 weeks off first? I finished my Activate Xtreme + Lean Xtreme cycle today.

What do you think?

[908]

Is there anywhere you can still get an ephedra containing fat burner? I've tried a few, though not religiously obviously, and tho my diet was **** at times in the past, for the most part I never felt anything with any fat burner I tried or sample. The only the I can say I felt somewhat was that Velocity XT made me have random twitches but my resting heart rate would still be the same as it is normally. I don't think I'm big or anything but I guess I'm bigger than average and I'm thinking I need something stronger.

So.. let me know the secrets

[Marineinthebox]

Is there anywhere you can still get an ephedra containing fat burner? I've tried a few, though not religiously obviously, and tho my diet was **** at times in the past, for the most part I never felt anything with any fat burner I tried or sample. The only the I can say I felt somewhat was that Velocity XT made me have random twitches but my resting heart rate would still be the same as it is normally. I don't think I'm big or anything but I guess I'm bigger than average and I'm thinking I need something stronger.

So.. let me know the secrets

I know if you live in the U.S. you can go to a Walgreens or CVS and get a medicine called Bronkaid. It is kind of like Mucinex but contains ephedirine. It is over the counter but you may have to go to the pharmacy to get it (just like buying cough syrup. Can't buy to many in a short period of time.) Stack it with caffeine pills and you are good.
As for me I am on a cycle of OEP and I do not feeling it working at all. I have a high tolerance to caffeine and stimulants so maybe that is the problem. I would recommend Animal cuts to anyone. There are alot of pills and swallowing involved but I felt it more than any other thermo/fat burner I have taken. Just a note do not take them on an empty stomach before lifting.

[bjjbadboy]

I have used animal cuts on my last 2 cuts and loved it. I just got back to lifting heavy and ready for another cut, should I stick with animal cuts or try dren, they say dren is crazy only one pill in the am and cant mix w any other stims, i dont plan on mixing if i did i would go with cuts cause you can take out the stim etc

[bandeh]

I just got my second order of the reduction am/pm combo. I tried it for the first time and really liked it, the AM helps me in the morning to get up and start my day and the pm just knocks me right out at night and helps me sleep a bit better.

After I finish this next bottle though (roughly a month) it says I should cycle off for a bit, any suggestions on another product I should start? I'm trying to find various things with yohimbe or 1,3 dimeth. Any suggestions?


Also I'll be moving my pre-workout from NO-Xplode to white flood and adding my own creatine because I was so impressed with control-labs product :]

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I just got my second order of the reduction am/pm combo. I tried it for the first time and really liked it, the AM helps me in the morning to get up and start my day and the pm just knocks me right out at night and helps me sleep a bit better.

After I finish this next bottle though (roughly a month) it says I should cycle off for a bit, any suggestions on another product I should start? I'm trying to find various things with yohimbe or 1,3 dimeth. Any suggestions?


Also I'll be moving my pre-workout from NO-Xplode to white flood and adding my own creatine because I was so impressed with control-labs product :]
glad to hear you love REDuction so much. you should cycle off of all stims products ( you can continue to take the REDuction PM) during that off period, by using others it defeats the purpose of cycling off.

you will love white flood, which flavor did you pickup?

[Trevor1900]

hi

i want to loose 8.0 stone over a period of 6-12 months using fat burning suppliments i'm currently weighing in at a massive 18 stone and want to get down to 10.5 to 10.0 stone.

my diet has changed the last 2 weeks i'm now eating fresh fish daily and fruit and veg trying to keep my body healthy

i walk over 1 hr per day to work and will start going to the gym 3 times a week slowly building up the level of fitness
my concern is my heart i've not done any exercise in a few yrs now, so i want to be carefull and work up slowly so my heart gets more healthy.

i want to start using fat burning bills but i'm not sure witch are best for me to start on

what does "stone" mean??

[bandeh]

glad to hear you love REDuction so much. you should cycle off of all stims products ( you can continue to take the REDuction PM) during that off period, by using others it defeats the purpose of cycling off.

you will love white flood, which flavor did you pickup?


Gonna try the white raspberry 50 serving tub this time. I've heard good things about all the flavors but I seem to have a weakness for anything with "Raspberry" in its name ;D.

[pjh139]

what does "stone" mean??

1 stone is 14 pounds.
In my case I lost 2.8 stones

had to check if they had it and they do so:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_(mass)

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Gonna try the white raspberry 50 serving tub this time. I've heard good things about all the flavors but I seem to have a weakness for anything with "Raspberry" in its name ;D.

the raspberry is good, but I like fruit punch the most. either way white flood will be awesome for you, keep us posted :)

[MHPJohn]

hydroxycut hardcore

[Sprite2]

So I've taken some fat burners in the past, Brn-2 by American Cellular, REDuction PM, and Cytolean, but over the last two months I tried two I picked off of here, Lipo-6 Black, and Animal Cuts.

Lipo-6 Black, was the first fat burner I took, I started at around 204 lbs, I honestly noticed almost nothing with the lipo, except an EXTREME afternoon crash if I didnt get my second dosage in early enough. in the 3 week cycle I went from 204 to 199. Now I will admit my diet wasnt as perfect as it could have been, but I really felt this product was a big let down, especially for the price,.

Animal Cuts was my choice of fat burner the last 3 weeks before my fight, now I will admit my diet was a little more dialed in for this cycle, but I felt animal cuts from day one, the energy levels were up, I was definitely feeling the diuretic effect, and any form of workout had me sweating like a pig, after two weeks I had successfully dropped from 199 to 187, then the last week was a wrestlers cut, so its a little unfair to compare that to the lipo section, but I will say Animal Cuts was very beneficial in helping me make my weight. The only real problem I had with Animal Cuts was bruising, idk what would cause this but I dont bruise very easily, and while on cuts I had NASTY bruises all over, everytime I bumped something I would get one, I could see how this would be a problem if you were cutting for a body building competition or a modeling shoot.

[david8613]

ok guys i just wanted to give a heads up with oxy elite pro, it is an awesome product! kills appetite like nothing else, gives great long lasting smooth engergy with no crashes! it made me feel more enthusiastic about everything nice. anyway when i started around the end of april i was around 245lbs, and now im down to 215lbs! 42inch waist down to 36inch in that time! in the past week i lost 2lbs and didnt even workout, my gym is closed at the college, damn! just some quick stats im 40 years old, 6 foot tall, and didnt kill myself in the gym at all, just an hour a day 30mins weights, 30mins cardio... anyway im going to cycle off for a bit, what should i or can i use in the mean time. its just my third day off of oxy elite and im feeling the hunger pangs and a little less energetic...

[bjjbadboy]

i had the same bruising effect from the animal cuts kinda thought it was just from the lack of iron from meats when cutting but.....got my arm tatedd and skin was litteral all bruised from the guy touching me. with that said i have still not found a better burner Then AC. I dont really like diuretics bc it only last while your on it but in my case deff help suck out the last 4 lbs to make weight

[madeinthayaland]

I take a stack of:

Yohimbe, Lean Green, Caffeine, Alcalean, Sesamin, and Fish oil.

That stack is safe and works for me. It might not be as fast as other stacks with diuretics, but seriously... diuretics suck.

[mztykal]

Just ordered my 2nd order of REDuction. First one did nothing, gonna stack with caffeine and hope it works better the 2nd time around. :)

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Just ordered my 2nd order of REDuction. First one did nothing, gonna stack with caffeine and hope it works better the 2nd time around. :)

this is your post from january 2009 :confused:


Orange Triad gave me headaches after the first week. :(

Gave it away. I liked your REDuction pills, they helped me sleep better but thats about it. Fyre worked really good. But for joint support I've been taking Flex for a year and it's awesome. My knee doesn't pop now, nor does my shoulder. :)

I just ordered another bottle. :)

[dfinisher]

Green Tea Extract!!!

Caffeine is great other than the fact it clashes with other supplements. For example, if your goal is getting that cut look (which it almost always if if your taking a fat burner) you often will use creatine in your supplementation. Caffeine is known to destroy the benifits of creatine.

Green Tea extract does contain caffine but substatially less than coffee or a caffeine pill.

Keep it below 500mg per day!

[Dback21]

Lean xtreme vs Animal Cuts????

[MrBackSlap]

Im taking Reduction am/pm so far IDK if its even doing anything honestly.
The morning pills wake me up a bit and the night pill make me a tiny bit drowsy, nothing serious since I live taking sleeping pills.

Well see though I trust CONTROLLED LABS products.

[StillWorkin]

Dicana

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/thermo/di.html

Not only is Dicana metabolically active on its own but Dicana also has direct reversible pathways to T3, Tricana (tiratricol) and T2 and therefore acts as a precursor to these powerful fat shredding compounds. I guess you could say that Dicana is like 4 powerful fat burning supplements in one.

Dicana is a not central nervous system stimulant and thus will not give you the jitters. Enhanced results may be accomplished with a healthy diet high in protein and proper anaerobic training.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Im taking Reduction am/pm so far IDK if its even doing anything honestly.
The morning pills wake me up a bit and the night pill make me a tiny bit drowsy, nothing serious since I live taking sleeping pills.

Well see though I trust CONTROLLED LABS products.

what is your timing? are you taking them with food?

have you been on any stims/caffeine recently?

[MrBackSlap]

what is your timing? are you taking them with food?

have you been on any stims/caffeine recently?

Im taking the am the minute i wake up then 30 minutes later i have breakfast. And im taking the pm before I go to bed. I dont take any caffeine. Well see though its only been 15 days i think.oh but the pm i sometimes take with a protein shake since i sometimes workout after midnight being a night owl. but never with food

[StillWorkin]

Im taking the am the minute i wake up then 30 minutes later i have breakfast. And im taking the pm before I go to bed. I dont take any caffeine. Well see though its only been 15 days i think.oh but the pm i sometimes take with a protein shake since i sometimes workout after midnight being a night owl. but never with food
subbed.. looking for a log though ^^

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Im taking the am the minute i wake up then 30 minutes later i have breakfast. And im taking the pm before I go to bed. I dont take any caffeine. Well see though its only been 15 days i think.oh but the pm i sometimes take with a protein shake since i sometimes workout after midnight being a night owl. but never with food

try taking the PM before dinner

[surfwmn7]

I checked some prior posts and saw someone stacking OEP with REDuction PM. Is it bad if I use REDuction AM/PM and OEP at the same time? Or should I just use OEP with REDuction PM?

THX

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I checked some prior posts and saw someone stacking OEP with REDuction PM. Is it bad if I use REDuction AM/PM and OEP at the same time? Or should I just use OEP with REDuction PM?

THX

dont stack the AM with oep as they both have stims. you can do oep and PM or you can run just the REDuction am/pm kit.

[mustang63]

So far Ive tried Lipo 6, which ended up giving me some awful kidney pains...Have done animal cuts 3 separate times and other than energy and diuretic effect little noticeable change fat loss wise. Ive done Clenbuterol as well which is by far the most effective fat burner ive taken but ive been on it for quite sometime so now im gonna give Cellucor D4 Thermo Shock/T3 ashot

[Mahoney324]

If anyone decides to respond I want to thank them for providing their input.

I will be completing my 2nd cycle of OEP this friday! I began an exercise and diet plan with what I think is a small but proper amount of supplementation in March. I began at a startling 327lbs. A rough caliper test showed me @ approx 48% body fat. I cut my calorie intake to about 800 - 1000/day utilizing Myoplex CC RTD, a generic MVI(Mens 1 a day) and Fish oil. I currently weight 274lbs. I haven't completed a caliper test yet.

I attribute my reults to OEP but realize my strict diet and exercise plan significantly helped as well. I can say without a doubt that I felt the effects of OEP within a day or so. It focuses the mind for sure. You get a chill sensation a lot too almost like a cold sweat. But you will feel a crash coming down about 5 hours after your second daily dose.

I do have a question if I may. I've been following all the info here. Thanks for providing so much info too everyone. I plan on giving REDuction am/pm a go in my next cycle. I did have some trouble sleeping while on OEP. I'm wondering if I should go cold turkey on any thermogenics for my off cycle or could I use Reduction pm in the off cycle?

Also, If I do need to go cold turkey would you all suggest I use this off time to begin using a testo and some creatine? I'm starting to see some muscles pop up that I've never seen before and thought I could maximize my off cycle by building some lean muscle.

[StillWorkin]

If anyone decides to respond I want to thank them for providing their input.

I will be completing my 2nd cycle of OEP this friday! I began an exercise and diet plan with what I think is a small but proper amount of supplementation in March. I began at a startling 327lbs. A rough caliper test showed me @ approx 48% body fat. I cut my calorie intake to about 800 - 1000/day utilizing Myoplex CC RTD, a generic MVI(Mens 1 a day) and Fish oil. I currently weight 274lbs. I haven't completed a caliper test yet.

I attribute my reults to OEP but realize my strict diet and exercise plan significantly helped as well. I can say without a doubt that I felt the effects of OEP within a day or so. It focuses the mind for sure. You get a chill sensation a lot too almost like a cold sweat. But you will feel a crash coming down about 5 hours after your second daily dose.

I do have a question if I may. I've been following all the info here. Thanks for providing so much info too everyone. I plan on giving REDuction am/pm a go in my next cycle. I did have some trouble sleeping while on OEP. I'm wondering if I should go cold turkey on any thermogenics for my off cycle or could I use Reduction pm in the off cycle?

Also, If I do need to go cold turkey would you all suggest I use this off time to begin using a testo and some creatine? I'm starting to see some muscles pop up that I've never seen before and thought I could maximize my off cycle by building some lean muscle.

You are 327lbs and plan on eating 800-1000 cals daily?

[Mahoney324]

You are 327lbs and plan on eating 800-1000 cals daily?

Not plan I did. I know 5'8" tall and 327lbs. I had like a 50inch waist. I'm a lard ass what can I say. Now I fit into a 44! I took drastic measures into my own hands and did what I thought was needed to kick start my fat ass into shape. I'd be lying to you if I said I was that strict everyday. Twice a week I awarded myself with a great meal. But I still stayed away from fried foods, sugar, and fast food.

I can't keep it up now though. With so little intake I'm over exercising and my recovery is taking too long. Muscle cramps, falling asleep at the wheel, and tendinitis are frequent.
I now do a bit better I think. Today for example.

7am- Myoplex CC RTD & a banana.
9am- Two hard boiled eggs and fat free yogurt
1pm- Turkey & swiss on wheat wrap with mustard, lettuce, & tomato
3pm- 2:1 protein bar
5pm- Myoplex CC RTD(directly after workout)
7pm- Chicken breast, brown rice & broccoli & some almonds

Some of you in here seem very experienced and knowledgable. Any constructive critism is appreciated.

[AlwaysTryin]

That looks more than 800-1000 but the point is 800-1000 is FAR TOO LOW!!!!

[Mahoney324]

That looks more than 800-1000 but the point is 800-1000 is FAR TOO LOW!!!!

I agree. As I said I was feeling the effects of such a low calorie diet and decided to raise my calorie intake. The diet log you see posted above is that change. I believe I'm taking in about 1600 calories now.

Some input regarding my initial inquiry would be greatly appreciated. Could I use REDuction pm during my OEP off cycle? Or should I completely cycle off all thermogenic supplements?

[StillWorkin]

Not plan I did. I know 5'8" tall and 327lbs. I had like a 50inch waist. I'm a lard ass what can I say. Now I fit into a 44! I took drastic measures into my own hands and did what I thought was needed to kick start my fat ass into shape. I'd be lying to you if I said I was that strict everyday. Twice a week I awarded myself with a great meal. But I still stayed away from fried foods, sugar, and fast food.

I can't keep it up now though. With so little intake I'm over exercising and my recovery is taking too long. Muscle cramps, falling asleep at the wheel, and tendinitis are frequent.
I now do a bit better I think. Today for example.

7am- Myoplex CC RTD & a banana.
9am- Two hard boiled eggs and fat free yogurt
1pm- Turkey & swiss on wheat wrap with mustard, lettuce, & tomato
3pm- 2:1 protein bar
5pm- Myoplex CC RTD(directly after workout)
7pm- Chicken breast, brown rice & broccoli & some almonds

Some of you in here seem very experienced and knowledgable. Any constructive critism is appreciated.

You need to see a physician, and also NEVER eat that low. Research keyword "starvation mode"

This is not what you want to hear, but do not need to take a fat burner at this time, but as I said you need to see your physician first!

[MrBackSlap]

Finished my Reduction package and sorry to say CL but it did nothing for me honestly tried different timings and stacked it also and nothing.
Maybe it wasn't for me I guess.

I wanna try something else but don't know what and I'm having trouble going down from 200lb. <Never been lower then this as a adult.

Eating 1800-2200 calories mostly 1800 daily drinking a lot of water and I'm burning atleast 1000+ in cardio and weights.

[Pete_oz]

Looking at getting REDuction for the evening (ie:before bed) but before going ahead with it, curious if my casein night shake will affect any results Id see from taking it?



Cheers.

[blakvarm]

Looking for a little advice if anyone could help me out please. I'm interested in taking OEP, but I'm currently doing a white flood/green mag stack. My workout is 2 hours after I wake up generally, around 9-930. I wake up and eat breakfast at 7ish, my question to you guys is: when should I take the OEP? If I take it when I wake up, wouldn't that be too close to the time I take the White Flood/Green Mag pre-workout? Any help is appreciated, thanks.

[BADINFLUENCE]

Im 21 years old, looking to lose about 10-20 pounds/ burn some fat

my cousin told me to take amino acid pill so i bought amino burst 3000, i also have herd good results about oxy elite pro... Along with dieting and exercise of course.

Will there be any issue taking these supplements together?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Looking at getting REDuction for the evening (ie:before bed) but before going ahead with it, curious if my casein night shake will affect any results Id see from taking it?



Cheers.
you would take reduction pm 60 minutes before bed and the casein 30 minutes before bed

Looking for a little advice if anyone could help me out please. I'm interested in taking OEP, but I'm currently doing a white flood/green mag stack. My workout is 2 hours after I wake up generally, around 9-930. I wake up and eat breakfast at 7ish, my question to you guys is: when should I take the OEP? If I take it when I wake up, wouldn't that be too close to the time I take the White Flood/Green Mag pre-workout? Any help is appreciated, thanks.
take only 1 dose around 1 or 2 pm

[Pete_oz]

you would take reduction pm 60 minutes before bed and the casein 30 minutes before bed

Thanks for the feedback (reps).

Ordered REDuction with my latest order from the site here, so looking forward to trying it out.

[BADINFLUENCE]

Im 21 years old, looking to lose about 10-20 pounds/ burn some fat

my cousin told me to take amino acid pill so i bought amino burst 3000, i also have herd good results about oxy elite pro... Along with dieting and exercise of course.

Will there be any issue taking these supplements together?
Any feed back for my question?

[AlphaBrass01]

Any feed back for my question?
Shouldn't be any problems.

[SpicoliNails]

USP LABS Oxy Elite Pro . This product is absolutely awesome. I have been on it steady for about 3 weeks and iv shed about 4 lbs while keeping my muscle strength and size. It doesn't rob you of energy like iv heard some fat burners do from posts and client feedback. my stamina has greatly increased...i have asthma, im in the army and its all about running the other day we ran 3.3 miles in 20 min, and i was barely out of breath. It helps keep your appetite in check, not removing it completely. I would give this product a 9/10 simply because i havent taken any other types of thermo's. Make sure you hydrate because you will sweat like a mo fo. you can see my gut in my progress pics and the diff its made.

[isaacstaco]

i just ordered D4 thermal shock (120 caps) and T7 (90 caps) for $90. hope this stuff works better then OEP

[Samamo]

Wish I read this thread before I ordered Hydroxycut Hardcore X today. Now im terrified im gonna die...but don't wanna waste $70. Should I try it, does it only affect some people negatively?

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[retrohead]

I tried CL REDuction and Animal Cuts, both did absolutely nothing and I was very dissapointed (as I love CL's other products).

Last year I tried Xenadrine EFX and it was the most effective thing I used in conjunction with green tea, I lost a lot of body fat and looked very healthy and in good shape (I was on similar diet when using the sups above but they didn't seem to help).

Anyway,

Thinking about trying USP LABS Oxy Elite Pro from reviews in here or going back to Xenadrine EFX again. Any comments on OEP v EFX?

[jmanis]

make sure to spread the am pills and white flood out by at least 4-5 hours. let us know how you like the stack. what flavor fruit punch did you get?

I am also thinking about stacking the AM/PM REDuction with White Flood. I am also going to using protein at least twice daily. Any suggestions on when to take?

[VendettaV2b]

I am also thinking about stacking the AM/PM REDuction with White Flood. I am also going to using protein at least twice daily. Any suggestions on when to take?
Wake up
AM
protein shake

whiteflood b4 workout

protein shake after workout

maybe a protein shake before bed
PM


make sure you give about 4 hours between AM and whiteflood

[retrohead]

So I just bought Oxy Elite Pro with Lean Xtreme for my fatloss stack.

I also take Whiteflood/purpleWraath/GreenMag.

Should I take the fatloss stack a certain amount of time before/after the CL supplements? I do workouts first thing in the morning.

[italiancrew]

lipidex, caffiene, and animal cuts. MAD CARDIO! lol

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I am also thinking about stacking the AM/PM REDuction with White Flood. I am also going to using protein at least twice daily. Any suggestions on when to take?
take the AM tabs at least 4-5 hours apart from white flood.

So I just bought Oxy Elite Pro with Lean Xtreme for my fatloss stack.

I also take Whiteflood/purpleWraath/GreenMag.

Should I take the fatloss stack a certain amount of time before/after the CL supplements? I do workouts first thing in the morning.

you should space the stim products at least 4-5 hours apart

[cloudstrife1218]

i took ripped fuel for some time. and i can say that it defintiely worked as far as giving me energy and making me hot. I have also taken hydroxycut hardcore extreme!! and that honestly didnt' even work for me as well as the ripped fuel did. My next cutting phase i'm going to take oxyelite pro. i have heard awsome things about that product, and i have read tons of great reviews.

anyone have anything bad to say about oxyelite pro? becuase honestly, from what i'm seeing, and hearing, its probably the best fat burner out there.

[PFsucks]

Best legal fat burner?
eca.../thread
stack clen/t3/lean xtreme......../thread

[T.Vo]

anyone have anything bad to say about oxyelite pro? becuase honestly, from what i'm seeing, and hearing, its probably the best fat burner out there.

I've taken oxyelite pro, and I did like it a lot. It gets the job done. For the price though, I'm not sure it was that much better than some of the other fat burners I have taken. But if $$ isn't too big of an issue, go for it.

[thebeast110]

Alright I have a weird but serious question... are any ephedra free fatloss supplements as effective as ephedra? If not, do any come close? I hate how ephedra makes me feel, but I'm skeptical with these ephedra free products. Thanks in advance for any responses in here.

http://www.deporteybelleza.com/products/ephedrine_plus2.jpghttps://www.fitnessphreaks.info/workout/upload/34/b/happy.gif

In my experience... no, none of the legal fat loss supplements are as effective as ephedrine or clen. That being said, they still do help. Hydroxycut has been a personal favorite. Just have to try a few different kinds and see what works for you. GL

[htowntxballa]

Couple of months back I used REDuction AM/PM and I LOVED the PM. I feel asleep fast and had deep, drooling, sleeps and when I awoke I did not feel tired and was ready to go, not to mentioned I recoved faster from workouts. Love that stuff, plus you can take it all the time with no need to cycle off. The AM was ok but the only thing is that it did not have enough "stims" in it for me. Hydroxycut Hardcore was great for energy and appetite suppressant. I bought some Stacker 2's and I am about a week into them and they have to be the worst things ever. No Energy and no appetite suppressant, just a waste of money.

Ok. So I want to take the REDuction PM again for sure but......if I take the AM with it, is there any other stim prodcut I can take with it so I can get more energy and appetite suppressant? If not I will just take Hydroxycut with the PM and leave the AM out.

Also my friend was telling me about ZIP! which he says has no stims and works different.

** I do Insanity cadio workout about 3 times a week with a pretty clean diet, on the weekends I up calorie intake because I read it was good to zig-zag your diet.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Couple of months back I used REDuction AM/PM and I LOVED the PM. I feel asleep fast and had deep, drooling, sleeps and when I awoke I did not feel tired and was ready to go, not to mentioned I recoved faster from workouts. Love that stuff, plus you can take it all the time with no need to cycle off. The AM was ok but the only thing is that it did not have enough "stims" in it for me. Hydroxycut Hardcore was great for energy and appetite suppressant. I bought some Stacker 2's and I am about a week into them and they have to be the worst things ever. No Energy and no appetite suppressant, just a waste of money.

Ok. So I want to take the REDuction PM again for sure but......if I take the AM with it, is there any other stim prodcut I can take with it so I can get more energy and appetite suppressant? If not I will just take Hydroxycut with the PM and leave the AM out.

Also my friend was telling me about ZIP! which he says has no stims and works different.

** I do Insanity cadio workout about 3 times a week with a pretty clean diet, on the weekends I up calorie intake because I read it was good to zig-zag your diet.

if you want quicker energy from the AM (its meant to be time released) then crush them up before taking

[GoldenGains]

HIIT :p

[andrew6132]

6 or 7 months ago i hit rock bottom. I'd been in great shape my whole life but after I graduated college and went jobless for a year I found myself weighing 210. I'm only 5'8. Taking cytolean v2 and several others left me stagnant.. Went into a popular chain, looking for something that didn't have yohimbe because I just finished hydroxycut hardcore. Thank god I found OxyElite.

Today I weigh 168.

After taking OxyElite for 9 weeks straight, 4 a day eventually (one over the recommended dosage and one week past the recommended max cycle) I quit and went back to HH to take a 4 week break. I was able to maintain my weight and actually lost 2 lbs over that 4 week stint. Went back to the OxyElite and lost 5 or so more lbs to get to where I am now. My face is back, I don't look like a fat kid, my abs are back. I haven't lost my strength on the bench.. still 3 sets at 205 after not benching for ??a year??.

OxyElite Pro is one of the main reasons I'm where I want to be. I wish I took before pictures because I'd definitely qualify for one of their "before and after" ads.

Start with 2 in the am, 1 later in the day. If you need more energy switch to 2 and 2. I take 2 at 8 and 2 at 4 every day.

It crushes your appetite. Seriously, if you want to lose weight, use OxyElite Pro.

[bookerbrother]

These are the real deal. L-PM will burn the fat while you sleep, and Black Cats will get you Jacked, focused, and burn that fat during the day.

[htowntxballa]

These are the real deal. L-PM will burn the fat while you sleep, and Black Cats will get you Jacked, focused, and burn that fat during the day.

K i looked up Black Cats but what is L-PM ?

[Retrotiger]

I'm trying to see what Hydroxicut Hardcore Pro Series can do for me. I just ordered a 120 caps. If I'm not happy, then it's time to switch to OEP.

[Nivea]

It seems OEP is still on top :D

You need to sleep good before you use it for the first time, because you can forget about sleeping properly the first day. And if you want to sleep better the next day you need to train and get rid of all the energy.

I use about 1 in 2-3 days because of its power. I used to get really nervous and pessimistic for some reason in beginning, but now I have it under control. I just need to make sure I've wasted enough energy before I go to sleep :D

Less side effects then slimxtreme and results are as good. So is its as good as it gets :D

[DarkAngel314]

I have two favorite thermogenics I have used to help burn fat. Keep in mind there is NO SUCH THING as a 'magic pill' that will just make fat disappear. Thermogenics raise your muscle and core temperature for best caloric burn as well as giving you extra non-jittery energy to use during your workout. My two favorites are OxyElite Pro and MethylBurn. Don't stack these of course, use only one thermogenic but feel free to cycle after 4 weeks. What I DO stack with is Cellucor's T-7 Extreme. The very much thought-thru formula actually attacks fat cells at the source, both in working to deplete current existing fat cells and helping dissolve new fat cells before they have a chance to attach to your insides. I have lost 40 lbs in 4 months and still going strong, but of course make sure you're doing plenty of exercise in both weights and cardio for proper results!

[johnnyd1992]

i stack vpx clenbutrx and meltdown, 1.5-2ml of clenbutrx first thing in the morning, and 1-2 pills of meltdown 6 hours after

[anthonytruth]

true

[anthonytruth]

oh yeah

[anthonytruth]

yeah no such thing of magic pill

[anthonytruth]

It seems OEP is still on top :D

You need to sleep good before you use it for the first time, because you can forget about sleeping properly the first day. And if you want to sleep better the next day you need to train and get rid of all the energy.

I use about 1 in 2-3 days because of its power. I used to get really nervous and pessimistic for some reason in beginning, but now I have it under control. I just need to make sure I've wasted enough energy before I go to sleep :D

Less side effects then slimxtreme and results are as good. So is its as good as it gets :D

def need sleep

[anthonytruth]

I'm trying to see what Hydroxicut Hardcore Pro Series can do for me. I just ordered a 120 caps. If I'm not happy, then it's time to switch to OEP.

OEP is not good

[mattvb3313]

MY buddy loves oxy elite pro by USPLabs, I'm a big fan of D$ by Cellucor, the focus factor is nuts


Any feed back for my question?

[Cyberia]

Jet Fuel !

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I recommend it. Cheap and works great!

[rmmm3]

Anyone thinks Oxielite in better then Lipo 6x? why? thanks in advance!

[prac23]

OEP is not good

why?

[EvolutionSic]

just toke 3x Hydroxicut Hardcore,

Now, I'ma go sleep like a babe.

[6944]

Hey guys quick ?... Im a senior in hs (18) and have my lacrosse season coming up in about a month and really want to get rid of some of my stomach fat/love handles throughout the season. I know nothing will work right away but I want to start using a supp asap. Im 6 1 and about 200 lbs. any suggestions for a good supp? i was thinking HH or OEP... Take in mind that ill have to be running a lot and last year i tried jetfuel and it made my kidney hurt when i ran. Also i take adderall so my appettite is already not that good...hopefully u guys can help thanks

[MikeBuss]

Don't waste your money on fat burners...

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[flyRy]

I just got off Oxy Pro Elite and only lost about 5lbs. after finishing the bottle. When I was on BetaStax i lost 17lbs. within the first three weeks or so. It might just be that you lose weight fast when you first start off, but I seen a huge improvement with BetaStax stacked with Razor Ripped and Vectron..but that's just me. I've heard numerous good things about Oxy Pro Elite but it just didn't seem to do it for me..however, OPE does kill your hunger so you're not always snacking on pointless ****ty junkfood.

[isaacstaco]

how is Muscle Pharm Shred Matrix compared to OEP? i noticed it has rating of 9.0 with over 200 reviews, not sure how many of those reviews are "real", but thats a better score than OEP. is this stuff legit?

[Fyreside]

I've used both OEP and MPower for 8 week cycles like I do every year before summertime. OEP was stroooonnnngggg, I could really feel it working and the appetite suppression did wonders for me. Over 8 weeks I lost 23 lbs. Not bad for a guy who tops out at about 180 lbs when I finish a bulk.

mpower on the other hand felt less effective (no real appetite suppression for me), but somehow I lost about the same amount of weight using similar programs. Actually on mpower I lost an extra pound, but who's counting.

I'd give the edge to mpower for my body type simply because I got the same results without the strung out feeling.

[TjMax59]

Same stuff I use fyreside, and I have the same good things to say so I won't repeat them, but wanted to toss in my two cents. Mpower is a new thermo and it's taking both the diet and muscle building world by storm.

[GymWarrior1292]

My Fav cuttiing stak

-Any good thermo (ie oxy, redline, lipo, hydroxy, shred matrix)

- 1000mg L-cartinine w/each meal

- T-7 from cellucore

-anabolic pump (when I eat any carbs)

-sometime add some recreate when my carbs get low for appitite control and extra calorie burning

- 50mg b-complex w/ each meal

-efa's w/ each meal. Help with hunger and blood sugar

-7-keto

Yup that's just fat burning supps not to mention musclebuilding and overall health supps.

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[Nivea]

OEP is not good

the only things thats "not good" is your comment. I've tried many products and oep is simply the best, legally (slimxtreme was slightly better, but appearantly also dangerous :p)

quick summery:
+effective and with the lightest possible jitter (nothing compared to lipo6x, hydroxycut,..)
+appetite suppresion very good (nothing can beat slimxtreme though),
+(after the first day) I can sleep pretty easily with it, IF I drain all my energy (1-2hours of cardio).
+lots of pills, I still havent finished my first bottle and I can't even remember when I bought it :p
+(for me) the effect of 1 pill can be prolonged if use a good caffeine drink the next day (like Monster drink)

-The only downside, which is pretty normal, is that its gonna be quiet though to sleep IF you don't plan to exercise that day. so if you can't exercise every day its not a good idea to use it, because of the sleeplessnes you're gonna be tired the next day (and when your tired your appetite goes out of control)
-also naturally, don't use after noon, even if you do exercise.

If you don't use these products wisely even once, say goodbye to your bio clock. (I'm still suffering this, but I've learned my lessons now)

So I'm planning on using controlled labs reduction AM when I can't exercise (works without any side effects, helps you lose easily in the beginning and keeps it in balance after) and oep when I am going to exercise that day. + controlled labs PM to get the max out of the sleeps, because that stuff gives you lots of 'REM' time :D

By the way, does anyone use Monster drink to lose weight? :D :D :D that stuff makes me lose weight too (i'm presuming its the l-carnitrine) :D

[rcb0424]

the only things thats "not good" is your comment. I've tried many products and oep is simply the best, legally (slimxtreme was slightly better, but appearantly also dangerous :p)

quick summery:
+effective and with the lightest possible jitter (nothing compared to lipo6x, hydroxycut,..)
+appetite suppresion very good (nothing can beat slimxtreme though),
+(after the first day) I can sleep pretty easily with it, IF I drain all my energy (1-2hours of cardio).
+lots of pills, I still havent finished my first bottle and I can't even remember when I bought it :p
+(for me) the effect of 1 pill can be prolonged if use a good caffeine drink the next day (like Monster drink)

-The only downside, which is pretty normal, is that its gonna be quiet though to sleep IF you don't plan to exercise that day. so if you can't exercise every day its not a good idea to use it, because of the sleeplessnes you're gonna be tired the next day (and when your tired your appetite goes out of control)
-also naturally, don't use after noon, even if you do exercise.

If you don't use these products wisely even once, say goodbye to your bio clock. (I'm still suffering this, but I've learned my lessons now)

So I'm planning on using controlled labs reduction AM when I can't exercise (works without any side effects, helps you lose easily in the beginning and keeps it in balance after) and oep when I am going to exercise that day. + controlled labs PM to get the max out of the sleeps, because that stuff gives you lots of 'REM' time :D

By the way, does anyone use Monster drink to lose weight? :D :D :D that stuff makes me lose weight too (i'm presuming its the l-carnitrine) :D

I just ordered OEP with Lean Xtreme.

Anyone have any advice on the best way to stack these together?

From what I've read I should do

Upon waking first thing: 2 OEP, 1 LX

4 hours later: 1 LX

Afternoon around 3: 1 OEP

1 LX before dinner.


Also in the morning, it is safe to take the OEP and LX at the same exact time on an empty stomach correct?

[shotgunshorty28]

Does anyone recommend Animal Stak?

[runnsmith]

This is Cringer, my fearless friend. Fabulous secret powers were revealed to me the day I held aloft my magic sword

[avisingh]

is KETOCUT any good..,i have heard a lot of good reviews about it ? what do you guys recommend. Iam using oxy right now but need to cycle.

thanks

[truckertim]

I just ordered OEP with Lean Xtreme.

Anyone have any advice on the best way to stack these together?

From what I've read I should do

Upon waking first thing: 2 OEP, 1 LX

4 hours later: 1 LX

Afternoon around 3: 1 OEP

1 LX before dinner.


Also in the morning, it is safe to take the OEP and LX at the same exact time on an empty stomach correct?

I did this stack plus reduction PM last summer and it worked great. For me personally i felt like absolute **** if i took it on an empty stomach (made this mistake the first day). It felt like i had gotten the flu. I found that if i ate a protein bar or a small sandwich immediately after taking the pill i felt great and could feel it start working. I did a 4 week stack and i lost about 15 pounds of pure fat and ended almost completely cut.

[seandh]

i just started taking OEP and it gives me the ****s liek crazy .. took 6 today!!!

would it be because i stack with SP250? or is it just working that good

[luckducky433]

MX-LS7, it works when you use it as you're supposed to (30min before meals), but if you're taking it randomly it does nothing.

Took 3x, once last spring randomly, did nothing but since I could "feel" it working, bought another 60set for the summer...followed it exactly as instructed and shed 7kilos (15.5lbs) over the 2months on it without any changes in diet (I was a heavy drinker at that time and ate garbage).

Starting a program tomorrow (mar. 14) and i'll be doing another 60day cycle, so I'll be keeping a daily log with it to monitor exactly how well it works when bad diet is not a contributing factor.

[ved_07]

Hey guys, im looking at this fat burner Muscletech Hydroxycut Hardcore X..
Now i can find heaps of info for the normal one but this one ends with the X.

We have it here in Australia but i cant find it on this website, Could anyone give some insight please??

Cheers

[mccoy19]

6 or 7 months ago i hit rock bottom. I'd been in great shape my whole life but after I graduated college and went jobless for a year I found myself weighing 210. I'm only 5'8. Taking cytolean v2 and several others left me stagnant.. Went into a popular chain, looking for something that didn't have yohimbe because I just finished hydroxycut hardcore. Thank god I found OxyElite. https://www.fitnessphreaks.info/workout/upload/34/b/happy.gif

Today I weigh 168.

After taking OxyElite for 9 weeks straight, 4 a day eventually (one over the recommended dosage and one week past the recommended max cycle) I quit and went back to HH to take a 4 week break. I was able to maintain my weight and actually lost 2 lbs over that 4 week stint. Went back to the OxyElite and lost 5 or so more lbs to get to where I am now. My face is back, I don't look like a fat kid, my abs are back. I haven't lost my strength on the bench.. still 3 sets at 205 after not benching for ??a year??.

OxyElite Pro is one of the main reasons I'm where I want to be. I wish I took before pictures because I'd definitely qualify for one of their "before and after" ads.

Start with 2 in the am, 1 later in the day. If you need more energy switch to 2 and 2. I take 2 at 8 and 2 at 4 every day.

It crushes your appetite. Seriously, if you want to lose weight, use OxyElite Pro.

That's impressive man, great job! And yea, my favorite part of legal fatburners is how they can reduce your appetite. They might not burn the fat off single handedly as impressively as clen or ECA stack, but the curbed appetite alone is a HUGE help.

[Akos1712]

OEP stack with Reduction PM sound ok ? since it my first time using fat burner and caffeine product daily ( I don't usually have coffee ) so I want to have something help me go to sleep easily.
Also, can I use a fat burner while bulking to make a thing call clean bulk, so I can add muscle but keep the fat amount as minimal.
Thanks, this is my first bulk up but I still want to keep a good looking abs for summer ( kinda sound gay to u guys, but I want to impress my girl friend this summer when we go to hawaii teehee )

[Akos1712]

Oxy Elite Pro vs Lipo 6 Black vs Hydroxycut Hardcore ?

Seems OEP has better reviews than the other two. They all work for some and not work for some, but the % working of OEP seems higher in all the review here in bb.com and other review website. Any idea ? Anybody try all of them ?

[raymondjackso25]

thanks for the reviews guys. Word of mouth=best endorsement.

I've tried animal cuts in the past and I loved it. I could really see a different in my overall body tone and I didn't lose size. After I was done people thought I got bigger, but really it was more like I just stayed the same size just toned.

But I'm going to pick up a bottle of OEP today. I started on a fat burning mission after being primarily a lifter for the past year and a half. Just got seriously bored with lifting one day this week. (LOL) And got inspired by seeing a clean six pack on youtube. So i've been doing HIIT all week and it's destroyed my ass in a good way. It's like I'm working out for the first time all over a again.

Thanks for the recommendation. I love this site.

[desireman877]

my dad bought roxy lean he likes it alot

[ZOUR]

Which fat burner is better for me? I'm overweight person

Lipo 6 or OxyElite Pro?