Best Overall Ephedra Free Fat Burner?

[brandonheat4]

i never thank to use fat burner cuse is not heal

[brandonheat4]

that is bad for u in the long run... everything and fat burner is the bad ass

[SweetGuy2Love]

i am thinking about using Hydroxycut hardcore...seems like alot of members here use it..

[T.Vo]

Is DREN any good or is it just hyped up alot. I have read some reviews on it, but was wondering if anyone has had any personal experience with it or knows anything about it.

I love dren, and im surprised i dont see more people on here supporting it. awesome when taken on an empty stomach in the morning, great energy and intensity. though it might be too intense to take one just before working out, id have to wait about two hours or so. only one pill a day is necessary, so thats also a plus.

[T.Vo]

I just ordered gaspari's mitotropin 30-day kit and looking foreward to trying that. ive heard some great things about it already.

[RichSoullie]

I took this supplement in the winter and started loosing weight very quickly, and i still take it and highly recomend it

[quest55720]

Any suggestions to an alternative to Lean Extreme? I am nearing an end to a kick ass mitotropin cycle 10 days left. I have much more fat to lose so I need a non stim for the next 30 days. The best non stim for me was LX but it is back ordered and sounds like be a while before it is in stock. I tried DCP and it really did nothing for me. I just need something to help keep my even for 30 days till I start my next cycle of mitotropin then hope LX is finally back in stock by the end of that cycle.

[quest55720]

I just ordered gaspari's mitotropin 30-day kit and looking foreward to trying that. ive heard some great things about it already.

It is by far the best best OTC fat burner I have ever used. There are lots of good OTC fat burners these days but mitotropin is in another league. I have gotten the leanest I have ever been in my life during the freaking holiday season. I have broken past a barrier that I tried 3 other times to get past but failed. If you are stim sensitive be very carefully as mitotropin is a very powerful stim.

[Djin]

Hello:

I have been a lurker on bb.com for a few months now.

I am 5'7", 162 lbs. From Sept to Dec I lost 27lbs and lots of inches mainly waist, hips and chest. My thighs started at 24" and they are still 24"...go figure.

I am looking to lean out some more especially in my lower body. I know you cant spot reduce, but if I could shed some more and then shape tone with my existing cardio, calistenics (sp?) and weight traning. I'd be satisfied.

What are the best suppliments out there.

I should tell you I am pretty stimulant resistant. In the past I have taken phentermine, Hydrocycut, Xenedrine EFX, trimspa and some herbal my acupuncturist recommended called Essence 999, works likje phentermine. Truthfully the best results I ever got were off of Xenedrine when it had ephedra, but those days are over. so I need suggestions

the upside is for the past 21 days I did a fruit and veggie fast/detox with my church so, I am thinking if I take a suppliment now I should get good results. Not to mention that fruits tend to make me retain weight, so dropping them will help out as well.

Any/All suggestions and tips are welcome

If you want to, you could try some L-carnitine and CLA. Those will help in the long run, but still a good supplement to have. As for a stimulant (thermogenic), have you tried Meltdown? I heard that's pretty crazy... but I would truly get yourself a good multivitamin (Opti-Women), eat good clean food (no processed, no food in foil or plastic, no cakes or cookies [or very very very limited amounts]) and keep at it.

Your body will lose fat, but like you said, it will lose fat where it wants to. If you keep at it sooner then later your body will have no other choice and you will lose the fat where you want to.

Make it a lifestyle, and not just a habit/diet/fad.

[T.Vo]

It is by far the best best OTC fat burner I have ever used. There are lots of good OTC fat burners these days but mitotropin is in another league. I have gotten the leanest I have ever been in my life during the freaking holiday season. I have broken past a barrier that I tried 3 other times to get past but failed. If you are stim sensitive be very carefully as mitotropin is a very powerful stim.

Sweet! I am definitely anxious to start using it. My tracking shows that it will arrive on the 31st so that will be perfect for me to start my new years stack on the 1st! And ill be taking it with superpump, so i may start out only taking two per dose rather than three and assess my tolerance. Thanks man, ill be sure to post on here again how it is working for me!

[T.Vo]

I know, it was a lot. I was eating 6 meals a day. About 1800-2000 cals, so I was not starving myself. I set my goals on August 1st to lose about 10lbs a month for 5 months to get down to 200 by new years. It was scary to lose that much weight so fast, but it kept coming off. Everyone at work joked and said I was on drugs. A lot of it had to have been water weight. I drank tons of water, took a daily multi, and never felt better. I don't plan on ever losing weight like that again. I know that 1-2lbs a week is the most I SHOULD hope for with proper diet and exercise.

Congrats man thats one crazy testimonial! One of my best friends lost about 50lbs in two months in kind of the same way, so im not sure why that would be unhealthy..? Maybe your heart or something? I think its an awesome success, and if someone is going to say its "unhealthy" or "unnecessary" they should tell you why.

[AronP24]

i never thank to use fat burner cuse is not heal

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc199/aronp24/00wtf.jpg

[NJpilot]

Hi - I was wondering if anyone has used DREN by MHP. I am 6'0, 240lbs with 29% bodyfat. I am not looking for a miracle pill, but would like to see about getting under 200lbs and in the single digit bodyfat range by the summer.

I have been kicking around Lipo6x, Meltdown and Isatori's MX-LS7. DREN is half of the cost.

Any feedback would be appreciated!!!!

[T.Vo]

Hi - I was wondering if anyone has used DREN by MHP. I am 6'0, 240lbs with 29% bodyfat. I am not looking for a miracle pill, but would like to see about getting under 200lbs and in the single digit bodyfat range by the summer.

I have been kicking around Lipo6x, Meltdown and Isatori's MX-LS7. DREN is half of the cost.

Any feedback would be appreciated!!!!

Yeah i took dren and loved it. im kicking myself now for not taking measurements beforehand, but it definitely gave me results. If you take it in the morning on an empty stomach, it keeps you going all day long - at least for me. like i said earlier, im surprised i dont see many other people on here supporting dren

[NJpilot]

Thanks T.VO - I am going to give it a try.

[ConLaV]

For my prep I used Scivation Dialene-4. It absolutely made a difference.

[deltaNYC]

I was thinking about trying DREN, but I was also leaning towards getting a perscription for Phentermine. I was wondering which one would give me better results. I mean I have heard that Phentermine works but has anyone tried it?

[Roy_sea]

I was thinking about trying DREN, but I was also leaning towards getting a perscription for Phentermine. I was wondering which one would give me better results. I mean I have heard that Phentermine works but has anyone tried it?

Ive taken Phentermine before and it really is just a very good appetite suppressant. Your body will also get used to it pretty quickly (in my exp) if you have used supplements before so you will constantly have to up your dosage. Side effects for me were many constipation, dry mouth and trouble sleeping (loss of sleep went away after about a week or two)

I think there may be something better out there as it does help you not eat, I mean you wont even think about eating, gives you a bit more energy, BUT it doesnt seem to help you lean out likje other supplements do, so thats why I think you could find something better. Or maybe you would need to combine it wioth something.

But if you have trouble sticking to a diet than go for it, I have no cravings whatsoever on phen.

[Roy_sea]

Which is better. I know Mitrotropin is new so not many have used it for long if at all. But initial results which is better. I am seeing some good changes in my body, but I want to see where I can get myself to bodyfat wise and then maintain and firm up as neccessary.

Im 5'7/5'8 ish 161lbs. My trainer thinks I can only lose about 10/15 more lbs. Im at 20% body fat. when we plug my info and caliber measurements in the computer program it says I can lose up to 34lbs safely and get down to around 14% body fat.

I dont know I just want to see how much leaner I can get

[superman9169]

The fastest results me and my girlfriend have had comes from a new product called VOODOO. The company is reaction nutrition. I tried it because it had a cool clean look and it is a liquid cap with some nice ingredients that i wanted to try. Incredible clean energy all day off just one pill twice a day and it makes you sweat your ass off when your training. My girl loves it because it does not make her jittery or give her a headache. Nice mild come down too no crash.

If you want to lose 5 or 10 pounds quickly try it.

[fishtaco]

was wondering if any one has tried DREN or animal cuts? and are they good to take together? Trying to burn some fat here

Hi, I just started taking Animal Cuts and want to lose quite a bit of body fat. When I heard about this product and read some of the reviews, I thought I'd give it a shot. I've only been on the product for a week.

After only a few days, I've never felt better in my life. I have more energy than I've had in years. I feel stronger on the treadmill I run faster and longer. My overall senses seem to be heightened and I feel more alert.

I was worried about feeling shaky or getting headaches but it hasn't happened. I go through my day and workouts like a machine and at night I sleep like a baby. I wake up refreshed and ready to roll.

Even my girlfriend has said she hasn't seen me this happy and outgoing in years. For her to say that almost made me cry. I'm now excited for the future.

With a good diet and Animal Cuts I am 100% sure I can reach my goals in the coming months. 2009 is going to a fantastic year. I feel ALIVE.

only side effect: I pee alot. :D

I highly recommend this product to anyone who wants to lose weight and feel better. For me, it's unbelievable.

[Djin]

Hi, I just started taking Animal Cuts and want to lose quite a bit of body fat. When I heard about this product and read some of the reviews, I thought I'd give it a shot. I've only been on the product for a week.

After only a few days, I've never felt better in my life. I have more energy than I've had in years. I feel stronger on the treadmill I run faster and longer. My overall senses seem to be heightened and I feel more alert.

I was worried about feeling shaky or getting headaches but it hasn't happened. I go through my day and workouts like a machine and at night I sleep like a baby. I wake up refreshed and ready to roll.

Even my girlfriend has said she hasn't seen me this happy and outgoing in years. For her to say that almost made me cry. I'm now excited for the future.

With a good diet and Animal Cuts I am 100% sure I can reach my goals in the coming months. 2009 is going to a fantastic year. I feel ALIVE.

only side effect: I pee alot. :D

I highly recommend this product to anyone who wants to lose weight and feel better. For me, it's unbelievable.

You're suppose to pee often. And welcome to the world of stimulants. Give it another week and you'll get use to it. :p

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Which is better. I know Mitrotropin is new so not many have used it for long if at all. But initial results which is better. I am seeing some good changes in my body, but I want to see where I can get myself to bodyfat wise and then maintain and firm up as neccessary.

Im 5'7/5'8 ish 161lbs. My trainer thinks I can only lose about 10/15 more lbs. Im at 20% body fat. when we plug my info and caliber measurements in the computer program it says I can lose up to 34lbs safely and get down to around 14% body fat.

I dont know I just want to see how much leaner I can get

both REDUction and mito look great and have free samples, so give them both a shot :)

[Tylor03]

All this talk about an ephedra-free fat burning product. Has anyone tried "Voodoo" its made by Reaction Nutrition. I got some samples while at the Olympia in September, loved the results. Just bought my second bottle last week. The best thing about this product there's no crash.

[yappopo]

hi.. i would like to ask if anyone had tried the hydroxycut advance? How was the result? Whether is it worth getting it?

[brokenfish]

hi.. i would like to ask if anyone had tried the hydroxycut advance? How was the result? Whether is it worth getting it?

I took almost the entire Muscle Tech line for a month including hydroxycut advance I lost maybe 5 lbs. I switched to BSN and with atro phex I lost around 19 lbs. in a month and a half I was at 7.3% bf and in about two more months I lost 12 more pounds. Atro Phex was way better.

[N0PainN0Gain]

I tried hydroxycut advanced and it did nothing

[jerzydevil]

i have finished the mitotropin program the other day. And i have to say i think i could have done the same with just the diet alone. I only lost about 5.5 pounds. I still say that out of all of the supplements i tried, Lipo6 by Nutrex gave me the best results in the quickest time, and i didnt even do any cardio. I just worked out the same. And for the price of MITOtropin, wow... Lipo6 was way cheaper and way better results...the water shed pills that came with the MITOtropin were no joke though, they really worked. I am startin a new stack:
HaloDrol
MethylVol
Lipo6x
and a nice liver cleanse,

The halodrol is just there to keep the muscles hard while i try to put on a light build, while also at the same time minimize the fat gain with Lipo6x. And i have to say that the original Lipo6 worked faster than the newer Lipo6x. I hope it gives me the good reults the other lipo did. I will post again soon.

[yappopo]

My buddy tried out the universal ripped fast fat burner. and he says that it work quite well. Any comment if it is worth? I alway like to ask more opinons from people before i tried any brands.

[Fallinstarzz]

Hello...I am new here to the site and have been reading all the posts about fat burners....(obviously looking for the best one to try) I have not taken any burners thus far ever to enhance or increase my work-outs or to burn off the pounds...I started at the gym last year at this time ( December 13th) after having a baby and up until the present time have lost 42 pounds ...My weekly routine at the gym includes the Spinning class 4 days a week ...
(Sunday, Monday,Tuesday, and Saturday) I do weight training on Wednesday, Friday and Sunday's) Sunday I spin then immediately afterwards do my weight training..that is the only day I double up...Thursday is my day of rest...My problem is I have about 16 more pounds to go to get back to my ideal weight and for the last 2 months I have remained the same. I have not gained, nor lost. I am definitely toned and building muscle but still wish to burn off more pounds... Looking for something to help but that is safe ...The hour and 10 minute spinning class is so intense I don't want anything that will play havoc on my heart since my heart rate gets to it's max...Any suggestion would be appreciated....I see alot of posts on the REDuction and everyone seems to love it...is it just for men or can women use it too?? Suggestions please


Happy New Year!!!!

[Djin]

Hello...I am new here to the site and have been reading all the posts about fat burners....(obviously looking for the best one to try) I have not taken any burners thus far ever to enhance or increase my work-outs or to burn off the pounds...I started at the gym last year at this time ( December 13th) after having a baby and up until the present time have lost 42 pounds ...My weekly routine at the gym includes the Spinning class 4 days a week ...
(Sunday, Monday,Tuesday, and Saturday) I do weight training on Wednesday, Friday and Sunday's) Sunday I spin then immediately afterwards do my weight training..that is the only day I double up...Thursday is my day of rest...My problem is I have about 16 more pounds to go to get back to my ideal weight and for the last 2 months I have remained the same. I have not gained, nor lost. I am definitely toned and building muscle but still wish to burn off more pounds... Looking for something to help but that is safe ...The hour and 10 minute spinning class is so intense I don't want anything that will play havoc on my heart since my heart rate gets to it's max...Any suggestion would be appreciated....I see alot of posts on the REDuction and everyone seems to love it...is it just for men or can women use it too?? Suggestions please


Happy New Year!!!!

Before you adventure in the thermogenics, could you tell us a little about your diet? A lot of people don't know that if you change your diet you can shed pounds a lot easier then you think.

Thermogenics only make 10-15% of the complete puzzle, while diet would easily make 60% and workout/cardio makes the rest up.

You can take all the thermogenics, work out like an animal and eat like **** and never reach your goals.

I know Hydroxycut makes on for females...

[Fallinstarzz]

My diet currently is the best it has ever been and it has been this way since I started back at the gym last December...It may not be close to perfect by any means but I feel it is rather good...Consists of 5 to 6 small meals and snacks throughout the day...breakfast is mostly eggs or oatmeal... snacks in between are usually apples with peanut butter on them, bananas, grapefruits, pretzels...lunch, tunafish plain, no mayo..lol...sometimes I am very much on the go so I eat it right from the can...lol...or I eat a salad..no dressing...maybe a yogurt after lunch or a peanut butter sandwich then dinner I mostly eat chicken or fish and a steak once in a while...I drink only water or cranberry juice but my downfall is Lattes...1 every morning and sometimes 1 in the afternoon...lol..keeps me going...

Like I said I am doing major toning and gaining muslce it is obvious as I am becoming well defined... I just don't want my progress to stall ...seems I have reached a plateau and need a little help getting over the hump so to speak....

I am aware that the leaner you get the harder it is to get rid of that extra body fat...I think that's bascially where I am at...

[Djin]

My diet currently is the best it has ever been and it has been this way since I started back at the gym last December...It may not be close to perfect by any means but I feel it is rather good...Consists of 5 to 6 small meals and snacks throughout the day...breakfast is mostly eggs or oatmeal... snacks in between are usually apples with peanut butter on them, bananas, grapefruits, pretzels...lunch, tunafish plain, no mayo..lol...sometimes I am very much on the go so I eat it right from the can...lol...or I eat a salad..no dressing...maybe a yogurt after lunch or a peanut butter sandwich then dinner I mostly eat chicken or fish and a steak once in a while...I drink only water or cranberry juice but my downfall is Lattes...1 every morning and sometimes 1 in the afternoon...lol..keeps me going...

Like I said I am doing major toning and gaining muslce it is obvious as I am becoming well defined... I just don't want my progress to stall ...seems I have reached a plateau and need a little help getting over the hump so to speak....

I am aware that the leaner you get the harder it is to get rid of that extra body fat...I think that's bascially where I am at...

Nothing wrong with lattes. I drink non-fat ones. Just coffee and steamed milk. No sugar or anything of the sort.

REDuction is good, but it gives you a nice steady level of energy. I lost 21lbs using REDuction for two cycles. I then used Animal Cuts (doubled my calories to 3,000) and lost 3lbs in 21 days.

I've used Xenadrine RFA-X and it seemed pretty decent, but I like to use thermogenics in cycles of two. (Seems the 2nd bottle really helps, then a couple weeks off to give my body rest from stimulants)

I enjoy MAN Scorch and Tetrazene Extreme. But I would really figure out what you want and then learn what is what and figure out the best thermo. I personally won't touch Lipo6 because of the guggle in it, but it's still #1 on the site.

Animal Cuts has guggle in it, something I didn't mind taking until I read more information about it. Perhaps you need to eat a few "cheat" meals to help spike your calories, which in turn will keep the body guessing and your metabolism in high gear. Just like cardio and working out, your body adapts to diets too. Like I stated, you might need to neat some "junk". (not cookies, pies, cakes, etc)

But my next thermogenic is probably going to be...? No idea. :) I've used Meltdown, but at the time of using it I wasn't nearly as strict as I am today and it might help me more this time around... but who knows.

[Fallinstarzz]

So basicially you do not stick with just one burner...you move from one to another with breaks in between? Is that the rule of thumb to keep your body moving and guessing with them? Can you stay with just one? If not and I started on REDuction how long do you suggest I take it for then how much of a break then can I start back on the same one or should I try something else? Sorry so many questions..lol...

[Fallinstarzz]

I also wonder if I even take in enough calories then I work off...I work extremely hard at the gym and the spinning class is very high impact ...I am burning alot of claories...although I eat healthy I don't think I eat enough but if I eat anymore or too much it makes me sick to my stomach...lol...

[Djin]

So basicially you do not stick with just one burner...you move from one to another with breaks in between? Is that the rule of thumb to keep your body moving and guessing with them? Can you stay with just one? If not and I started on REDuction how long do you suggest I take it for then how much of a break then can I start back on the same one or should I try something else? Sorry so many questions..lol...

You always read "18 week trial" "12 week trial", etc... you look at the bottle, most of them are 21-30 days.

I had good results with two bottles of REDuction, but my diet and daily routine was very strict.

If you were going to try a thermogenic I would do two cycles then 1-2 weeks off. If you go any longer then usually two months, your body will adapt and the thermo won't be doing much. Then again you could take one bottle and lose a bunch of weight if you aren't use to stimulants.

I found most supplements work better in cycles. A lot of time you need it to get into your system and stay there for a while before you get best results.

[Fallinstarzz]

Thanks for all your advice...I will give it a whirl and see how things go....

[Djin]

Thanks for all your advice...I will give it a whirl and see how things go....

When in doubt, Google something you don't know... ;)

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Hello...I am new here to the site and have been reading all the posts about fat burners....(obviously looking for the best one to try) I have not taken any burners thus far ever to enhance or increase my work-outs or to burn off the pounds...I started at the gym last year at this time ( December 13th) after having a baby and up until the present time have lost 42 pounds ...My weekly routine at the gym includes the Spinning class 4 days a week ...
(Sunday, Monday,Tuesday, and Saturday) I do weight training on Wednesday, Friday and Sunday's) Sunday I spin then immediately afterwards do my weight training..that is the only day I double up...Thursday is my day of rest...My problem is I have about 16 more pounds to go to get back to my ideal weight and for the last 2 months I have remained the same. I have not gained, nor lost. I am definitely toned and building muscle but still wish to burn off more pounds... Looking for something to help but that is safe ...The hour and 10 minute spinning class is so intense I don't want anything that will play havoc on my heart since my heart rate gets to it's max...Any suggestion would be appreciated....I see alot of posts on the REDuction and everyone seems to love it...is it just for men or can women use it too?? Suggestions please


Happy New Year!!!!sure, REDuction can be used by men and women. cycle on for 60 days, then off for 14, then you can repeat.

[russack]

I have tried to "stick" to one fat burner, but my body gets used to them really fast. I have tried lots of them on the market; Lipo 6, REDuction, Arson, just to name a few. I usually lost a few pounds, then somehow gained them back. Looking for something myself to lose that LAST 10.

[its_paul]

When in doubt, Google something you don't know... ;)

Hey, thought I would ask since I'm about to start my second cycle for REDuction, did you feel like you developed a dependence on the black pill at night in order to sleep well? Did you notice any changes in your sleep once you cycled off?

Thanks!

[thebigld1981]

check out asia black that sh*t is potent and works great!!!!!! any questions pm me.. it is strong

[Djin]

Hey, thought I would ask since I'm about to start my second cycle for REDuction, did you feel like you developed a dependence on the black pill at night in order to sleep well? Did you notice any changes in your sleep once you cycled off?

Thanks!

I enjoyed the added benifits of the black pills, but when I got off them I didn't really have any issues with sleep. I take 4-6 RED pills a day. :) I took 4 black pills the other night... I thought I was never going to wake up. It was a good sleep. ha

[redsoxfan85]

I enjoyed the added benifits of the black pills, but when I got off them I didn't really have any issues with sleep. I take 4-6 RED pills a day. :) I took 4 black pills the other night... I thought I was never going to wake up. It was a good sleep. ha

i was just going to start a thread about taking more than 2 red pills with REDuction. i've been taking 2 for about 2 1/2 weeks now and was wondering if i doubled that if it'd help me shed some weight a little quicker.

my diet is in check and i do anywhere from 30-45 min. of cardio a day. i'm currently in a cutting phase.

[Fallinstarzz]

Does the black pill aid as a sleeping pill? Same effect? Does it knock you out so your not aware of your surroundings...just curious as I have two small children and I can't be knocked out to the point where I would not hear them...

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Hey, thought I would ask since I'm about to start my second cycle for REDuction, did you feel like you developed a dependence on the black pill at night in order to sleep well? Did you notice any changes in your sleep once you cycled off?

Thanks!
you shouldnt develop and dependence at all

i was just going to start a thread about taking more than 2 red pills with REDuction. i've been taking 2 for about 2 1/2 weeks now and was wondering if i doubled that if it'd help me shed some weight a little quicker.

my diet is in check and i do anywhere from 30-45 min. of cardio a day. i'm currently in a cutting phase.always follow the bottle directions and dont take more than suggested on there.


Does the black pill aid as a sleeping pill? Same effect? Does it knock you out so your not aware of your surroundings...just curious as I have two small children and I can't be knocked out to the point where I would not hear them...
it will help you sleep more easily and a better quality of sleep. it wont put you in a coma where you cant wake up :D

[naturalguy]

Hi, I just started taking Animal Cuts and want to lose quite a bit of body fat. When I heard about this product and read some of the reviews, I thought I'd give it a shot. I've only been on the product for a week.

After only a few days, I've never felt better in my life. I have more energy than I've had in years. I feel stronger on the treadmill I run faster and longer. My overall senses seem to be heightened and I feel more alert.

I was worried about feeling shaky or getting headaches but it hasn't happened. I go through my day and workouts like a machine and at night I sleep like a baby. I wake up refreshed and ready to roll.

Even my girlfriend has said she hasn't seen me this happy and outgoing in years. For her to say that almost made me cry. I'm now excited for the future.

With a good diet and Animal Cuts I am 100% sure I can reach my goals in the coming months. 2009 is going to a fantastic year. I feel ALIVE.

only side effect: I pee alot. :D

I highly recommend this product to anyone who wants to lose weight and feel better. For me, it's unbelievable.

Good to hear the feedback on Animal Cuts. Of course diet and training come first however once you have those in order Animal Cuts can be very effective.

[Djin]

Does the black pill aid as a sleeping pill? Same effect? Does it knock you out so your not aware of your surroundings...just curious as I have two small children and I can't be knocked out to the point where I would not hear them...

I wake up all the time while on the black pills. Their main sleep aid is valerian root. Take a look about it. It's not like kava kava or anything along those lines, they just help "mellow" you out. But I have driven while on the black ones and had no issues... just felt "good". :)

[medici999]

well i have been on reduction for about 3weeks and havent noticed to much of a decrease in fat. im gonna give a second bottle of each a go and maybe use lipo6 or san hardcore to.

[superman9169]

You should really give VOODOO a try. Reaction makes a great product line. I saw noticable weight loss off the first bottle.

[Tylor03]

well i have been on reduction for about 3weeks and havent noticed to much of a decrease in fat. im gonna give a second bottle of each a go and maybe use lipo6 or san hardcore to.

You may actually want to take a look at VOODOO. Its by Reaction Nutrition. I got some samples at the Olympia last september, and it worked really well. I'm on my second bottle now. The best part is there is NO crash. You take it and when it wears off you don't feel like a terd afterwords. I'm really liking the results. They also have some pre and post workout products.
Hope that helps.

[AronP24]

wtf is with all this "voodoo" pimping all of a sudden
we only like to pimp products the rest of the sheep pimp on here .... ;)

[muscledtex]

I've used HREx for 3 months.

It does have A LOT of caffeine, however not sure on the whole fat loss thing. I have leaned up a bit, but not sure how much of that is from the HREx. If I take 5 or 6 or more pills a day it makes me pretty anxious and quick tempered.

I would only take on training days. Cycled off of it for two week. I was on for 1.5 months, off for 2 weeks then back on for 1.5 months.

Pros:
It keeps you alert.
It's only 19.95

Cons:
A LOT of caffeine vs not a lot of fat burning agents.
Thought I would have greater weight loss results.
Mood Swings.

OVERALL:
I guess I would only say try this if you want a caffeine rush. But, I'm not satisfied.

Future:
Adding Fenterdren to my supplements this week and will keep you posted.

AFFILIATIONS:
I don't sell supplements or knows of anyone who sells supplements - So, I have nothing to profit if you try these products.

[Alphamale0]

Would it be a bad idea for a 17 year old to take a fat burner? Ive been working out for awhile and just need to shed a like 8 pounds of fat.

[bigrondo]

i have finished the mitotropin program the other day. And i have to say i think i could have done the same with just the diet alone. I only lost about 5.5 pounds. I still say that out of all of the supplements i tried, Lipo6 by Nutrex gave me the best results in the quickest time, and i didnt even do any cardio. I just worked out the same. And for the price of MITOtropin, wow... Lipo6 was way cheaper and way better results...the water shed pills that came with the MITOtropin were no joke though, they really worked. I am startin a new stack:
HaloDrol
MethylVol
Lipo6x
and a nice liver cleanse,

The halodrol is just there to keep the muscles hard while i try to put on a light build, while also at the same time minimize the fat gain with Lipo6x. And i have to say that the original Lipo6 worked faster than the newer Lipo6x. I hope it gives me the good reults the other lipo did. I will post again soon.

Thank you. Mitotropin has instantly become the most over rated fat loss product. Everyone just ends up agreeing with each other that it's "great" like some sheep.

[DGreekStallion]

i have finished the mitotropin program the other day. And i have to say i think i could have done the same with just the diet alone. I only lost about 5.5 pounds. I still say that out of all of the supplements i tried, Lipo6 by Nutrex gave me the best results in the quickest time, and i didnt even do any cardio. I just worked out the same. And for the price of MITOtropin, wow... Lipo6 was way cheaper and way better results...the water shed pills that came with the MITOtropin were no joke though, they really worked. I am startin a new stack:
HaloDrol
MethylVol
Lipo6x
and a nice liver cleanse,

The halodrol is just there to keep the muscles hard while i try to put on a light build, while also at the same time minimize the fat gain with Lipo6x. And i have to say that the original Lipo6 worked faster than the newer Lipo6x. I hope it gives me the good reults the other lipo did. I will post again soon.

I'm on Mito too and getting alright results.

[superman9169]

wtf is with all this "voodoo" pimping all of a sudden
we only like to pimp products the rest of the sheep pimp on here .... ;)

I like that. That made me laugh. This forum is about ephedra free alternatives since I have been working in this industry and competeing as well as taking every over the counter supplement under the sun I feel that i have a pretty good idea of what works and what is hype.

This product is not hype it is new and it works plus if you go on there site you can enter a new EXTREME BODY CHALLENGE. I know the people that designed the products and the are legit.

http://www.reaction-nutrition.com/Pages/reaction_home.html

[tkxii]

best/cheapest/simplest fat burner ever - l-glutamine + caloric restriction, works wonders, and i don't feel hungry, but i also stack with alcar, green tea, sesamin, ps

[superman9169]

Exactly these fatburners give people the motivation after a long day at work as well as the energy to overcome the need to lay on the couch and eat bull**** food that does nothing for them. They are a supplement to trainging and dieting. But they do increase your metabolism and can increase your body core temp to burn calories while your at rest

[superman9169]

Come join the EXTREME BODY CHALLENGE from Reaction Nutrition.

Win $1000.00

Anyone over 18 can enter. No matter what your goals are you should join the challenge. Its very easy, submit a before picture or pictures and a little bit about yourself to:

http://www.reaction-nutrition.com/Pages/reaction_home.html

We want to help you change your life. If your already in shape it doesn't matter, there is always room to learn and improve.

[DGreekStallion]

I like that. That made me laugh. This forum is about ephedra free alternatives since I have been working in this industry and competeing as well as taking every over the counter supplement under the sun I feel that i have a pretty good idea of what works and what is hype.

This product is not hype it is new and it works plus if you go on there site you can enter a new EXTREME BODY CHALLENGE. I know the people that designed the products and the are legit.

http://www.reaction-nutrition.com/Pages/reaction_home.html

That itself was a pimp-out.

I just checked out Voodoo. Nothing special.

[superman9169]

Give it a try I guarantee the results.

[DGreekStallion]

Give it a try I guarantee the results.

I'm already on Mito.

Your pimping is laughable.

[superman9169]

Im trying to offer some actual advice on a great product. Im not trying to sell you snake oil. The picture I post is me after I placed 4th at the Natural USA's. I have been in this business for over 10 years. Take your mito and when your finished give Voodoo a shot. Your 19 i'm sure you havnt tried everything so what have you got to lose.

Between me and my family we have been in bodybuilding and nutrition since 1974. There is alot of knowledge so if you have any training questions or dieting feel free

[DGreekStallion]

Im trying to offer some actual advice on a great product. Im not trying to sell you snake oil. The picture I post is me after I placed 4th at the Natural USA's. I have been in this business for over 10 years. Take your mito and when your finished give Voodoo a shot. Your 19 i'm sure you havnt tried everything so what have you got to lose.

Between me and my family we have been in bodybuilding and nutrition since 1974. There is alot of knowledge so if you have any training questions or dieting feel free

You're right about my age and not trying everything.

Eventually the MODS will ask you to post your affiliation, though, just to let you know.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I wake up all the time while on the black pills. Their main sleep aid is valerian root. Take a look about it. It's not like kava kava or anything along those lines, they just help "mellow" you out. But I have driven while on the black ones and had no issues... just felt "good". :)

yeah, they wont put you in a coma, but they will make sleep easier and more restful in the opinion of most :)

[simpleguy]

Im trying to offer some actual advice on a great product. Im not trying to sell you snake oil. The picture I post is me after I placed 4th at the Natural USA's. I have been in this business for over 10 years. Take your mito and when your finished give Voodoo a shot. Your 19 i'm sure you havnt tried everything so what have you got to lose.

Between me and my family we have been in bodybuilding and nutrition since 1974. There is alot of knowledge so if you have any training questions or dieting feel free

believe me, no pun intended but you're not gonna get much customers because

1) you posted this in every thread

2) you're red

[denverizzles]

I'm currently taking Lipo6X...it says do need exceed the maximum 4 pills a day. would it be that bad to take more than the recommended dosage? Cause im not really feeling the energy boost at all.

[Djin]

Im trying to offer some actual advice on a great product. Im not trying to sell you snake oil. The picture I post is me after I placed 4th at the Natural USA's. I have been in this business for over 10 years. Take your mito and when your finished give Voodoo a shot. Your 19 i'm sure you havnt tried everything so what have you got to lose.

Between me and my family we have been in bodybuilding and nutrition since 1974. There is alot of knowledge so if you have any training questions or dieting feel free

Don't spam 50 threads with the same lame ****.

[AronP24]

I like that. That made me laugh. This forum is about ephedra free alternatives since I have been working in this industry and competeing as well as taking every over the counter supplement under the sun I feel that i have a pretty good idea of what works and what is hype.

This product is not hype it is new and it works plus if you go on there site you can enter a new EXTREME BODY CHALLENGE. I know the people that designed the products and the are legit.

http://www.reaction-nutrition.com/Pages/reaction_home.html

like the neuro/focus complex...DO NOT like the guggul extract

[jougz]

hey everyone..m currently on hydroxycut and will be shifting ti vpx redline liquicaps.I have mixed emotions (excited and scared) with the comments and blogs i've read about this product. hoe you guys can help

[superman9169]

To set the record straight I was invited by Body Building.com to promote the EXTREME BODY CHALLENGE. That is what I posted on all the threads. I was not promoting myself. The quote that you keep repeating was said to one person to explain that I have the credentials to give some advice if anyone asked on dieting or training.

Thats all I was saying.

[Willy24]

Sounds like you are getting a rough time Superman! I will say that I did take a look at your site and the voodoo looks like it would work. But why should I take it instead of a redline or hydroxycut? Give us a reason why! Thats all I'm asking. I dont want to pay for a second rate weightloss product.

[simpleguy]

But why should I take it instead of a redline or hydroxycut? Give us a reason why!

but why would you take hydroxycut anyways? lol

[Djin]

To set the record straight I was invited by Body Building.com to promote the EXTREME BODY CHALLENGE. That is what I posted on all the threads. I was not promoting myself. The quote that you keep repeating was said to one person to explain that I have the credentials to give some advice if anyone asked on dieting or training.

Thats all I was saying.

Don't promote **** all over. If they did ask you, wouldn't they make it an article? And not spam bull****?

[balloubrandon]

http://blog.ultimatefatburner.com/2008/12/24/fda-warning-adulterated-fat-loss-supplements/

[mingo3403]

mmmm question

Wouldn't taking pills that contain caffeine conflict with creatine absorbtion and you usually suppose to take atleast on serving before a workout?

P.S. I lost 118 lbs but all i drank was coffee

[Djin]

mmmm question

Wouldn't taking pills that contain caffeine conflict with creatine absorbtion and you usually suppose to take atleast on serving before a workout?

P.S. I lost 118 lbs but all i drank was coffee

Creatine. Do you take monohydrate?

I personally don't, and never will touch that ****... but that's just me. Grapefruits also conflict with the majority of things, but you still people eat grapefruits.

Don't worry about it. If you really want extra enegry, and added benefits to go with your creatine, take beta alanine.

[quiksilver_28]

Hey guys...currently looking for a decent fat burner. I recently purchased Sub-Q by Fusion. The pill intake is pretty intense...6 daily and they are pretty big and I have difficulty taking pills. Anyone have any suggestions to another fat burner that is as effective and a little easier to consume?

[Djin]

Hey guys...currently looking for a decent fat burner. I recently purchased Sub-Q by Fusion. The pill intake is pretty intense...6 daily and they are pretty big and I have difficulty taking pills. Anyone have any suggestions to another fat burner that is as effective and a little easier to consume?

REDuction is 2 AM, 2 PM.
Meltdown is 3
Tetrazene Extreme

etc etc. Make sure you find the thermogenic that has what you're looking for in it. A lot of people take these in blind research and expect the weight to melt like snow in the summer.

The best thing to do is figure out where you are in your work out, what you want to achieve and what you need to get you there. Diet, work out, cardio and THEN a thermogenic to help you the last 10-15%.

Thermogenics only increase your metabolism by a few %... yeah it's nice to burn an extra 100 calories farting around doing nothing, but when you REALLY work, really have you diet in line, you'll see those 100 calories turn to 300. You can't expect it to help if you don't help yourself.

I found REDuction was good, I lost 21lbs in two months with it. Then I tried Animal Cuts. I only lost 3lbs in 21-days, but I also upped my calories to 3,000. So that was a win win for me too.

Good luck on your journey.

[naturalguy]

mmmm question

Wouldn't taking pills that contain caffeine conflict with creatine absorbtion and you usually suppose to take atleast on serving before a workout?

P.S. I lost 118 lbs but all i drank was coffee

There is no conflict between creatine and caffeine

[DGreekStallion]

I'm looking for a good fat burner to transfer into from Mitotropin, per recommendations. Has anyone tried Lipodrene or Tetrazene? Thoughts?

[quiksilver_28]

Thanks for the reply Djin, my supplement guy's set me up with some VPX Redline, liquid format, so I'm gonna give that a try and see where things go. He said it's not one of the top fat burning products. Any input? I'm only 9% body fat, so I'm just hoping for the cut look around the chest. I weight train 5 days a week, play broomball 2 days a week, and have kickboxing and jujitsu as well as being a firefighter. I stay pretty active, so Im just looking for that super toned look. I'll be stacking it with Fighters Food in the morning, VPX Pre-Workout, Muscle Milk Post workout, and than NLarge before bed. Any comments or suggestions on a better stack?

[Djin]

Thanks for the reply Djin, my supplement guy's set me up with some VPX Redline, liquid format, so I'm gonna give that a try and see where things go. He said it's not one of the top fat burning products. Any input? I'm only 9% body fat, so I'm just hoping for the cut look around the chest. I weight train 5 days a week, play broomball 2 days a week, and have kickboxing and jujitsu as well as being a firefighter. I stay pretty active, so Im just looking for that super toned look. I'll be stacking it with Fighters Food in the morning, VPX Pre-Workout, Muscle Milk Post workout, and than NLarge before bed. Any comments or suggestions on a better stack?

Lol. You're at 9% and want to get lower? Do you have any time to sleep? Got any photos? And Muscle Milk??? I'm not knocking it, I love Muscle Milk, but there are a ton of better ones out there, especially for someone who's at active as you.

If you're not super toned at 9%, then I'm sorry, I just don't believe you. When you hit a certain percent, you will start to act funny and start getting very odd feelings. Your body NEED a certain percent of body fat, and anything really lower then 9% would just be asking for issues.

Remember Rocky when he fought the Russian? Rocky IV. He was at 3% bodyfat, and he would say how he was always forgetting things and was always tired... when your body's that low, it might look nice, but your brain runs off fat for fuel. I wouldn't really go any lower then 9%, maybe to 7%...

[DGreekStallion]

Thanks for the reply Djin, my supplement guy's set me up with some VPX Redline, liquid format, so I'm gonna give that a try and see where things go. He said it's not one of the top fat burning products. Any input? I'm only 9% body fat, so I'm just hoping for the cut look around the chest. I weight train 5 days a week, play broomball 2 days a week, and have kickboxing and jujitsu as well as being a firefighter. I stay pretty active, so Im just looking for that super toned look. I'll be stacking it with Fighters Food in the morning, VPX Pre-Workout, Muscle Milk Post workout, and than NLarge before bed. Any comments or suggestions on a better stack?

I like this stack...Except for the NLarge. If you want to tone up, a weight gainer is not for you.

[quiksilver_28]

See the problem is I'm only 145 lbs, 5'9, and I'm looking to gain more muscle weight. So thats where the fat burner comes in. I want to keep using the weight gainer but when I got up to 165 using TrueMass and CytoGainer my body fat shot up to 14%, which I wasn't completely unsatisfied with, but could notice it alot in my face / neck. I want to hopefully avoid that this time, and the only areas that seem to be affected by the weight gainer that doesn't look good is neck / face, and chest when the arms are relaxed at my sides in the outer area of the pec. Right now I am happy with how toned I am, just want to keep that same toned level with an increase in size. Several people have suggested slowing down on cardio...but this is pretty tough to do with the activities I enjoy.

[Djin]

See the problem is I'm only 145 lbs, 5'9, and I'm looking to gain more muscle weight. So thats where the fat burner comes in. I want to keep using the weight gainer but when I got up to 165 using TrueMass and CytoGainer my body fat shot up to 14%, which I wasn't completely unsatisfied with, but could notice it alot in my face / neck. I want to hopefully avoid that this time, and the only areas that seem to be affected by the weight gainer that doesn't look good is neck / face, and chest when the arms are relaxed at my sides in the outer area of the pec. Right now I am happy with how toned I am, just want to keep that same toned level with an increase in size. Several people have suggested slowing down on cardio...but this is pretty tough to do with the activities I enjoy.

When you add muscle, mass, size, or whatever you want to call it, you have to understand that you WILL add excess fat. You can still bulk very clean, but you will have to still eat more calories then you burn, and make sure your protein and carbs are in the higher end to keep those muscles fueled.

Eat food... then cut. Sounds like your metabolism is in hyper drive, so I wouldn't worry about the extra pounds of fat. Just eat like a beast, gain muscle, then cut in the spring.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I found REDuction was good, I lost 21lbs in two months with it. Then I tried Animal Cuts. I only lost 3lbs in 21-days, but I also upped my calories to 3,000. So that was a win win for me too.


still amazed at your weight loss, nice work :)

[Djin]

still amazed at your weight loss, nice work :)

The scale says 186-189lbs now. Then again I've been adding more food, more weight and less cardio for the last several months.

I'm currently in a bulk stage and I can't wait to cut again to see all the new added muscle I can see... It just kills me that I can see a little bulk in my face... but I know that a couple of pounds will come off with ease since muscle burns more then fat.

So I've just been packing away the protein and carbs while lifting as heavy as possible some days then working form on others.

[Mr.BULLITT]

Anyone use these:
Syntrax Fyre and Syntrax Guggulbolic Extreme.

I've been using the controlled Labs REDuction and I've leveled out, I'm not loseing any more weight. I tried changing up my Gym routine and Diet again too, but still seem to be staying around 198.

The Above Stack is recommended by Bodybuilding.com at this link: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/wgtcombo.htm#rfl Under Rapid Fat loss.

[CMA1087]

Has anyone ever used this product? If so, is it any good? Please let me know.

[djmasters]

REDuction or Cuts? Cant make up my mind. Help anyone

[CONTROLLED LABS]

The scale says 186-189lbs now. Then again I've been adding more food, more weight and less cardio for the last several months.

I'm currently in a bulk stage and I can't wait to cut again to see all the new added muscle I can see... It just kills me that I can see a little bulk in my face... but I know that a couple of pounds will come off with ease since muscle burns more then fat.

So I've just been packing away the protein and carbs while lifting as heavy as possible some days then working form on others.
awesome

REDuction or Cuts? Cant make up my mind. Help anyone
we have free sample if you wish to give REDuction a shot ;)

[Djin]

awesome

we have free sample if you wish to give REDuction a shot ;)

Ain't it? I want to be just like you!!! lol

[ChickPeaz]

Has anyone ever used this product? If so, is it any good? Please let me know.

Yes, it is VERY good. Defintely give it a shot... Good Luck!

[RJackson89]

Has anyone ever used this product? If so, is it any good? Please let me know.

I used this product from October till December..the 240 capsules, it helped me loose close to 40 pounds in that time span and also shred off some BF.

[MAGnitude]

yohimbine HCL

[CONTROLLED LABS]

yohimbine HCL

that is a prescription drug ;)

[franticss]

first i like to say hi cause i am new in here.

i am 17 teen years old. Last year i was 180cm and 108kg with %32 body fat. In one year i have lost 17 kg and know i am 181cm and 91kg with %20 body fat. I have lost 17kg with MMA and muay thai trainnings without any diet. But i tried Universal Animal cut and it was wonderful. I have lost 7-8 kg in one month without doing any diet just eating healthy.
Next week my workouts will start 5 times in a week 2hours.
I dont know so much things about supplements. Should i use two fat burner in same time. I want to use Lipo6x, Animal cut, Whey protein in same time? Should it be wrong for my body? Will it be unhealthy?


Sorry for bad english :(

[Bas85]

has anyone tried rivalus mpower??? wanted to know if this a good product to try

[Geno]

awesome

we have free sample if you wish to give REDuction a shot ;)

Free sample? Pm me please.

[kgochenour]

There is no conflict between creatine and caffeine

THANK YOU

[spongebod]

I dont know if this has been mentioned (theres like 200 posts on this thread) but my personal favorite fat burner has to be Leviathan Reloaded. Check out this ingedient profile:

Serving Size: 2 Capsules
Servings Per Container: 45
Proprietary Blend: 1000 Mgs
Caffeine
Tribulus Ext 80% Saponins, 20% Protodioscin
3,3'-Diindolylmethane
Coleus Forskohili 20% Forskolin
Acacia Rigidula
Hordenine
PEA (Phenylethylamine)
Velvet Bean Extract 20% l-dopa
Phyllanthus Niruri 10%
Ficus Bengalensis Extract 10:1

Yohimbine HCl, 11-Hydroxy-Yohimbine, 9mgs

[JoeBro]

REDuction is sick! it was the only thing that i could feel working

[BMA17]

tried hydroxycut hardcore last year and dropped 20 pounds in 2months.
just started lipo6x. so far great on suppressing appetite.
also pretty interested in REDuction

[sicdeusvult]

awesome

we have free sample if you wish to give REDuction a shot ;)


I'm in the same boat...animal cuts or REDuction.... PM me as i'd like to try out the latter!

[Djin]

I'm in the same boat...animal cuts or REDuction.... PM me as i'd like to try out the latter!

Controlled Labs products are made very well. You could toss the pills and they wouldn't break... solid as a brick.

I have a few logs about REDuction and losing 21lbs in 2 months on it... and a good review somewhere on these forums.

It's a very very very detailed log... from what I ate, how I felt, what I did, etc. REDuction gives a nice steady energy through the day and the PM usually knocks most people out... I take the PM and I can stay up for a while now... I've gotten quite use to REDuction. :)

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Free sample? Pm me please.
all you need to do is follow the link in my signature, it will take you about 30 seconds to do it :)

REDuction is sick! it was the only thing that i could feel working
awesome, thanks for spreading the word

tried hydroxycut hardcore last year and dropped 20 pounds in 2months.
just started lipo6x. so far great on suppressing appetite.
also pretty interested in REDuction would be interested to hear your REDuction feedback


I'm in the same boat...animal cuts or REDuction.... PM me as i'd like to try out the latter!
check the link in my signature below

Controlled Labs products are made very well. You could toss the pills and they wouldn't break... solid as a brick.

I have a few logs about REDuction and losing 21lbs in 2 months on it... and a good review somewhere on these forums.

It's a very very very detailed log... from what I ate, how I felt, what I did, etc. REDuction gives a nice steady energy through the day and the PM usually knocks most people out... I take the PM and I can stay up for a while now... I've gotten quite use to REDuction. :)
always love to read your feedback on REDuction

[BMA17]

would be interested to hear your REDuction feedback


should be starting it around feb after i get off lipo 6x

any recommendations on stacks for REDuction to optimize fat loss
like a non stim product like vaporize or lean xtreme

[saha-7]

anyone tried MAP's Arson before? i just ended my run with CL's REDuction 2 weeks ago and i've had awesome results with 2 boxes back to back. i think im down to below 20% of bodyfats now and im going to give Arson a try this Feb.

[Djin]

should be starting it around feb after i get off lipo 6x

any recommendations on stacks for REDuction to optimize fat loss
like a non stim product like vaporize or lean xtreme

There have been a few stacks I've used while on REDuction.

CLA
7-Keto
(1g) L-Carnitine

And now it looks like Chromium is making a come back with fat loss.

[Djin]

anyone tried MAP's Arson before? i just ended my run with CL's REDuction 2 weeks ago and i've had awesome results with 2 boxes back to back. i think im down to below 20% of bodyfats now and im going to give Arson a try this Feb.

I tried Arson, but at that time in my life I didn't really know too much about what I was doing, so I probably did more harm while using it then not.

I did find however, the amount of quick energy I got from it made me feel like I just jumped into a bag of "Columbia's finest".

I have my eyes on BioQuest BetaStax... It has CLA, chromium and a few other things I like... so it seems interesting.

Also amazing progression with REDuction.

[ludeser13]

i just received my scivation dialene 4x from bb.com and took one cap for two consecutive days. guess what, i'm going to contact bb.com for a return. omg, i couldn't believe the massive headache i got within two hours of taking just 1 cap and this happened on two separate occasions. i had to leave the gym yesterday because my head was pounding with every lift. it's a headache coupled with nauseated feeling. dialene 4x is nasty and definitely not for me. it's just too bad, i'm not able to give my honest feedback on the fat/weight loss capability of it.



.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

should be starting it around feb after i get off lipo 6x

any recommendations on stacks for REDuction to optimize fat loss
like a non stim product like vaporize or lean xtreme
awesome, you can add either, but no need, REDuction is a complete system on its own. you should add essential amino acids before one of those, if you want a free purple wraath sample, hit me up :)

anyone tried MAP's Arson before? i just ended my run with CL's REDuction 2 weeks ago and i've had awesome results with 2 boxes back to back. i think im down to below 20% of bodyfats now and im going to give Arson a try this Feb.

if you had good success on REDuction, stick with it when you cycle back on stims :)

[New_York]

awesome, you can add either, but no need, REDuction is a complete system on its own. you should add essential amino acids before one of those, if you want a free purple wraath sample, hit me up :)


if you had good success on REDuction, stick with it when you cycle back on stims :)

you da man


:D

[workout101]

I read some articles about chromium having some carcinogenic impact in hamsters, anyone have any solid information about it?

[Deuce.26]

anyone tried MAP's Arson before? i just ended my run with CL's REDuction 2 weeks ago and i've had awesome results with 2 boxes back to back. i think im down to below 20% of bodyfats now and im going to give Arson a try this Feb.

I have been using a MAP stack of Arson with Altered State since mid November. The energy boost is good, although don't take it too late in the evening as I find it wires me up.
Results: Down 3 inches on my waist, up 1" on my chest, 1/2" on my biceps. Starting to see a 4 pack develop. How much of it is MAP? I'm sure it's helped, but I have also cut back on caloric intake and I do cardio 6 times a week first thing in the morning (35min interval and cross training on an eliptical).

[Brandon914]

ok, so i took thermogenix2 i think it was called. it dropped weight fast but i felt it was only water weight due to me gaining it all back right after my cycle and i sweat alot while i was on it.

now im really looking into this REDuction product and im wondering about these following questions:

1) is it all water weight
2) will you just sweat out the water weight.

thanks.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

ok, so i took thermogenix2 i think it was called. it dropped weight fast but i felt it was only water weight due to me gaining it all back right after my cycle and i sweat alot while i was on it.

now im really looking into this REDuction product and im wondering about these following questions:

1) is it all water weight
2) will you just sweat out the water weight.

thanks.

1) nope
2) you will lose some water weight from the mild diuretics

[JBallard]

Hey do any of you guys have thoughts on these two supplements? I'm looking into taking one of them and just want to know which would be best.

[adamsteve14]

So I think I am going to start cutting mid-april or maybe beginning of may at the latest. I want to be pretty defined by mid June as i will be going on vacation. What kind of results can I expect from REDuction over that sort of time period? FYI I am currently 5'10 175, hoping to be at the same weight by vacation but much more defined. WIll be bulking hard until I cut.

[Djin]

So I think I am going to start cutting mid-april or maybe beginning of may at the latest. I want to be pretty defined by mid June as i will be going on vacation. What kind of results can I expect from REDuction over that sort of time period? FYI I am currently 5'10 175, hoping to be at the same weight by vacation but much more defined. WIll be bulking hard until I cut.

Diet is the key. You can take all the REDuction, mixed with a little E/C/A mixed with Arson and still gain weight if your diet is rubbish.

Personally, in two months I lost 21lbs on REDuction, but this was with a Nazi-like diet and work out routine. (Very strict, I'm not a Nazi) ;)

[kelvinb316]

Lypo-6

[CONTROLLED LABS]

So I think I am going to start cutting mid-april or maybe beginning of may at the latest. I want to be pretty defined by mid June as i will be going on vacation. What kind of results can I expect from REDuction over that sort of time period? FYI I am currently 5'10 175, hoping to be at the same weight by vacation but much more defined. WIll be bulking hard until I cut.


Diet is the key. You can take all the REDuction, mixed with a little E/C/A mixed with Arson and still gain weight if your diet is rubbish.

Personally, in two months I lost 21lbs on REDuction, but this was with a Nazi-like diet and work out routine. (Very strict, I'm not a Nazi) ;)

well said. REDuction is amazing, but diet and training have to be on point as well for the real results to work themselves in

[Dedicated37]

Which fat burner should I pickup,

Dialene 4x or Sub-Q?

[leanmario]

atro-phex is great stuff, i always come back to it, no jitters, no upset stomach... meltdown isnt that great, lipo-6 is good too. ergopharm vamp2 is also pretty good.

[adamsteve14]

Diet is the key. You can take all the REDuction, mixed with a little E/C/A mixed with Arson and still gain weight if your diet is rubbish.

Personally, in two months I lost 21lbs on REDuction, but this was with a Nazi-like diet and work out routine. (Very strict, I'm not a Nazi) ;)


Thanks for the advice. I realize that getting my diet under control and training rigorously is the most important part, its just that in the past year or so I started putting on some fat. (Before then I could eat ANYTHING and not gain a lb.) Therefore I kinda assume that getting the fat off will be relatively easy, just would like a little help.

[Djin]

Thanks for the advice. I realize that getting my diet under control and training rigorously is the most important part, its just that in the past year or so I started putting on some fat. (Before then I could eat ANYTHING and not gain a lb.) Therefore I kinda assume that getting the fat off will be relatively easy, just would like a little help.

Of course adding a thermogenic can give you an edge, but as I've stated a bazillion times, it only make 10-15% of the puzzle.

So yeah, it can help you burn a few 100 extra calories and give you some focus and energy, but before you know it your body adapts and you're spinning your wheels.

[Shaggington]

Stacker 3 TRAIN WRECKED ME. Lost 40 pounds in 3 months. (Have the skin to prove it)

[Ryno44]

As far as thermogenics are concerned, they cut me up real good. Granted I have a naturally fast metabolism and already eat very healthy. It could have been mostly water weight lost, but while I was using Hydroxycut Hardcore, I could see every vein and every striation. As far as it adapting to your body goes, I think that if you cycle it (3 weeks on 1 week off kind of thing) you'll be ok.

[sunshine0808]

hi I weight 139 lbs, 5'6 and i've reached some type of plateu and dont seem to loose any weight , inches or nothing. I'm training with a personal trainer 3x week and he is harsh, can someone help me and tell me what i can do to loose body fat please. Thank you.

[Djin]

hi I weight 139 lbs, 5'6 and i've reached some type of plateu and dont seem to loose any weight , inches or nothing. I'm training with a personal trainer 3x week and he is harsh, can someone help me and tell me what i can do to loose body fat please. Thank you.

Why is your personal trainer harsh? I wouldn't pay for someone to abuse me. I get enough of that **** through life and family. :)

You need to take a look at your diet and see how solid this is.

[swollPH91]

hi I weight 139 lbs, 5'6 and i've reached some type of plateu and dont seem to loose any weight , inches or nothing. I'm training with a personal trainer 3x week and he is harsh, can someone help me and tell me what i can do to loose body fat please. Thank you.

I'm assuming you're a woman and not a man?? If so, just read this thread and pick one of the recommended fat burners, whichever looks the best to you

[T.Vo]

I took Mitotropin for the last month with high hopes of seeing the "amazing results" that I'd heard should happen. It wasn't a great experience: I became less motivated in all areas of my life, alot more hungry and my stomach never felt full until I binged (I actually GAINED 10 lbs), and i felt a little bit sick after my morning doses. I stayed on it for a little more than 3 weeks, and by then i had to quit because i was going backwards. However, one thing i noticed was that even though i was gaining weight, my muscles were looking fuller and it didnt look like fat gain. That might have just been as a result of stacking it with novedex xt though. The pre contest program it comes with is awesome, and I'm still utilizing a lot of the diet tips and workout strategies from it.

After my experience with Mitotropin, I would suggest if you are wanting to lose weight and get ripped, you should stick with good ol' ECA or other stuff that has worked for you in the past. I love gaspari products, but this one didnt do it for me.

[puudge]

Ive been taking Hydroxycut for 3 months now and was looking to get Controlled Labs REDuction when i run out of this bottle. It caught my eye because it is an AM/PM pill and i have trouble getting good sleep, thought it might help and help my metabolism in sleep.

[puudge]

Ive been taking Hydroxycut for 3 months and ive dropped 25 pounds. But im looking for a burner when im finished with my current bottle. I was thinking of controlled labs REDuction because it is AM/PM. I have trouble getting good sleep(which i know is important for weight loss) and though it may be able to help me with my sleep and my metabolism while sleeping. What is everybodys thoughts on REDuction?

[SpongeTom]

Question for the Controlled Labs rep.
I tried the REDuction sample (and have also bought a full box), and I found that I had a massive afternoon energy crash, Im assuming due to the large amounts of caffine from the 2 pills. Is there any way to avoid this?

[puudge]

sorry..didnt mean to post twice

[calisean79]

I took REDuction a few months back. I lost maybe 5 pounds within the month. I feel like I coulda done better if I kept more strict on my diet. One thing that I noticed about REDuction is that I really didn't have any afternoon crashes. Also, no jittery wired feeling. It kept me pretty stable all day long, which I was surprised by since it's only an AM dosage. I was used to Lipo6 where you take multiple doses. I guess to me it didn't really feel like it did much at the time(because of the lack of wiredness which I usually feel from burners) but i retrospect, I'd probably buy another bottle when I start cutting again next month. The PM pills were a nice little perk. They really help you wind down.

[Brandon914]

so im going to be trying the REDuction sample.

so am i going to be dependent on the PM pills?

[Djin]

so im going to be trying the REDuction sample.

so am i going to be dependent on the PM pills?

No. I found that when I take the PM pills, my dreams are wild! And I've also noticed I'll wake up super dehydrated.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Ive been taking Hydroxycut for 3 months now and was looking to get Controlled Labs REDuction when i run out of this bottle. It caught my eye because it is an AM/PM pill and i have trouble getting good sleep, thought it might help and help my metabolism in sleep.
absolutely, think you will love them for sure :)

Question for the Controlled Labs rep.
I tried the REDuction sample (and have also bought a full box), and I found that I had a massive afternoon energy crash, Im assuming due to the large amounts of caffine from the 2 pills. Is there any way to avoid this?
that is odd, but you can try taking 1 am pill eaarly and the second one three hours later

I took REDuction a few months back. I lost maybe 5 pounds within the month. I feel like I coulda done better if I kept more strict on my diet. One thing that I noticed about REDuction is that I really didn't have any afternoon crashes. Also, no jittery wired feeling. It kept me pretty stable all day long, which I was surprised by since it's only an AM dosage. I was used to Lipo6 where you take multiple doses. I guess to me it didn't really feel like it did much at the time(because of the lack of wiredness which I usually feel from burners) but i retrospect, I'd probably buy another bottle when I start cutting again next month. The PM pills were a nice little perk. They really help you wind down.
awesome to hear :)

so im going to be trying the REDuction sample.

so am i going to be dependent on the PM pills?

no dependence on the PM pills at all to note

[bigmoe]

My vote goes for Scorch. Very good energy and appetite suppression and noticeable weight loss.

[fabregas]

After REDuction not doing anything for me I decided to take a look at vpx Meltdown. Took it for the first time this morning and I don't know what is happening. I took the max recommended dose a day of 3 pills when I got up, then I ate, and then went to gym. About 30 minutes after taking them I got a little jittery and then I could feel my body temp rising and I started sweating and my heart was racing. I was able to breeze through my workout and even got a few more reps on some things. However, mid-way through my workout I started to get dizzy but kept on. During my workout I was sweating like a waterfall.

I've been sweating balls ever since and my heart/body temp has only just started to calm down. I don't know if this means this is a great product or I should be afraid to take another dose. I'm leaning more towards the latter. :(

[jhood411]

I have tried both Lipo-6 and hydroxycut and found that lipo-6 is the better fat burner. Hydroxycut is not better in anyway it advertises more than lipo-6. A horrrible side affect that hydroxicut gave me was kidney stones and those are not fun to pass. Also ripped fuel is not a bad fat burner to try out.

[teenwolf41]

Using CL REDuction in my log and the PM really help me sleep better and I've already lost 5-6 lbs it seems in a little less than two weeks. Its very time efficient too (not this like you must 4-6 hours later and check your watch to make sure you get it. So if you have a job and can't pop pills at work its great)

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Using CL REDuction in my log and the PM really help me sleep better and I've already lost 5-6 lbs it seems in a little less than two weeks. Its very time efficient too (not this like you must 4-6 hours later and check your watch to make sure you get it. So if you have a job and can't pop pills at work its great)

awesome, thanks for posting up the feedback. the PM is now available separate as well as bundled with the AM :)

[BeeBallin]

After lurking around a bit on here I decided to make an account. I got a question about using two supplements. I'm looking to cut/lose fat. I'm 6'0 200 lbs. and I want to get down to 180-185, and getting my BMI down around 18%. My BMI is around 26% now which is in the overweight category.

I'm looking into trying REDuction and Purple Wraath along with exercise (HIIT and some lifting) and a good diet to cut/lose fat. Would taking these together be harmful or too much in any way. I'm looking to start in the next week or so and would appreciate any feedback. Post here or PM me with any suggestions or advice.

Thanks and glad to be a part of BB!!!

[Djin]

After lurking around a bit on here I decided to make an account. I got a question about using two supplements. I'm looking to cut/lose fat. I'm 6'0 200 lbs. and I want to get down to 180-185, and getting my BMI down around 18%. My BMI is around 26% now which is in the overweight category.

I'm looking into trying REDuction and Purple Wraath along with exercise (HIIT and some lifting) and a good diet to cut/lose fat. Would taking these together be harmful or too much in any way. I'm looking to start in the next week or so and would appreciate any feedback. Post here or PM me with any suggestions or advice.

Thanks and glad to be a part of BB!!!

Nope. I've taken REDuction, Purple Wraath, White Flood and a bunch other stuff together. I'm still here. ;)

You might feel your skin buzzing from the beta alanine. And your veins will turn into staws.

[SebastianG]

One of my friends claims that Clenbuterol is far better than ephedrine, true or false?

[BeeBallin]

Thanks for the reply. I actually would like to get my BMI down a little lower, maybe down to like 15%. Any others want to chime in on using REDuction and Purple Wraath together to achieve maximum fat/weight loss, while at the same time adding a little muscle mass.

[Djin]

One of my friends claims that Clenbuterol is far better than ephedrine, true or false?

Yeah, if you want to die.

Perhaps you should READ up on that **** before you even THINK about taking it... that **** can kill you.

[SebastianG]

Yeah, if you want to die.

Perhaps you should READ up on that **** before you even THINK about taking it... that **** can kill you.

Anything can kill you if you overdo it

Please provide the facts for me.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

After lurking around a bit on here I decided to make an account. I got a question about using two supplements. I'm looking to cut/lose fat. I'm 6'0 200 lbs. and I want to get down to 180-185, and getting my BMI down around 18%. My BMI is around 26% now which is in the overweight category.

I'm looking into trying REDuction and Purple Wraath along with exercise (HIIT and some lifting) and a good diet to cut/lose fat. Would taking these together be harmful or too much in any way. I'm looking to start in the next week or so and would appreciate any feedback. Post here or PM me with any suggestions or advice.

Thanks and glad to be a part of BB!!!
that combo should be great. keep us posted

[RxZombie]

whats the best pill out there

[Djin]

Anything can kill you if you overdo it

Please provide the facts for me.

Facts are www.google.com. Facts are "search" button.

It takes a matter of 20 seconds (if that) to find how that **** can easily kill you. Stop being lazy.

[latinchinese]

No. I found that when I take the PM pills, my dreams are wild! And I've also noticed I'll wake up super dehydrated.
Same here bro, I noticed that I have super deep sleep but I wake up right on time. I wake up with a dry mouth kinda like if I had a hangover...
The only thing is that the AM pills doesn't suppress my appetite as much.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Yeah, if you want to die.

Perhaps you should READ up on that **** before you even THINK about taking it... that **** can kill you.

yes, that is some dangerous material, I would advise highly against its use.

[Djin]

Same here bro, I noticed that I have super deep sleep but I wake up right on time. I wake up with a dry mouth kinda like if I had a hangover...
The only thing is that the AM pills doesn't suppress my appetite as much.

I find REDuction perks me up a lot more then I thought it did. I didn't take any for a little while and was awake, doing my chores, doing AM cardio/working out, etc. Started taking REDuction again, HOLY Christmas.

Maybe it's just me and the way I'm built, but when I was doing cardio, the shirt I was wearing looked as though I jumped into a lake. I will admit for the last six or so months I've been bulking, lacking on cardio, so this adjustment from bulk to cut could play a big role... but Jesus! It was horrible! :) Soaked... (in a good way though)

[amysuds]

I have been taking Scivation's Sesamin and Dialene-4 for a few weeks now. I am very pleased with my results thus far. I have lost 5 lbs in January and can see less fat covering my hamstring area :) Because the Sesamin is non stimulant, I can use both at the same time and they work on different pathways. The Dialene is raising my adrenaline ...I can feel it in my workouts. Neither products makes me crash later in the day either!

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I find REDuction perks me up a lot more then I thought it did. I didn't take any for a little while and was awake, doing my chores, doing AM cardio/working out, etc. Started taking REDuction again, HOLY Christmas.

Maybe it's just me and the way I'm built, but when I was doing cardio, the shirt I was wearing looked as though I jumped into a lake. I will admit for the last six or so months I've been bulking, lacking on cardio, so this adjustment from bulk to cut could play a big role... but Jesus! It was horrible! :) Soaked... (in a good way though)

yeah, REDuction really makes you sweat. the thermogenics in it are pretty potent :)

[Djin]

yeah, REDuction really makes you sweat. the thermogenics in it are pretty potent :)

Raspberry Ketones. Some dandelion root. Some "feel good" (PEA), Cayenne Fruit and a bunch of other goodness.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Raspberry Ketones. Some dandelion root. Some "feel good" (PEA), Cayenne Fruit and a bunch of other goodness.
absolutely, those are some of the keys right there

[teenwolf41]

CL REDuction seems to be effective for me right now and is very time convenient.

[Djin]

absolutely, those are some of the keys right there

I noticed Orange Triad's been reformulated. Have you guys every thought of redoing REDuction?

[naturalguy]

REDuction or Cuts? Cant make up my mind. Help anyone

Here is feedback on Animal Cuts:

http://forum.animalpak.com/showthread.php?t=317

If your diet and training are on track, Animal Cuts can certainly help in your fat loss efforts.

[djmasters]

Well better late then never. But yes I chose cuts. I will be taking them in 3 weeks before I go to florida and hopeing its the nail in the coffin.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I noticed Orange Triad's been reformulated. Have you guys every thought of redoing REDuction?
no current plans, but if you have feedback or ideas, be sure to PM or email me about them as feedback is very important to us.


CL REDuction seems to be effective for me right now and is very time convenient.

glad to hear it, cant beat the am/pm system. gives you more energy during the day and helps you sleep like a baby at night :)

[naturalguy]

Well better late then never. But yes I chose cuts. I will be taking them in 3 weeks before I go to florida and hopeing its the nail in the coffin.

Great choice. Hit me up if you have any questions or need any diet or training tips.

Let us know how you like Animal Cuts.

[canecorso2009]

Muscle Pharm Shred Matrix

[MasonSS]

hey, controlled labs, im pretty sure it was controlled labs who did this.

there was a forum about a month or 2 ago that said if you sign up on a forum and ask for samples white flood samples or other samples will be sent to you for free. i followed directions correctly and no samples were sent to me. anybody have the link to the thread? reps involved

[MasonSS]

yeah, REDuction really makes you sweat. the thermogenics in it are pretty potent :)

no offense to you controlled labs rep, your doing your job, and i'd be doing the same thing you are if i were in your position, BUT



i find this thread really hard to trust, seems like half the people here are new accounts and reps of companys trying to sell themselves.






i took REDuction for 1 month, followed directions, and didnt notice a thing.


Everybody is different though, im not saying it wont work on anybody, im just saying for me it did nothing.

[gemner]

im on cuts right now and my metabolism is retarded fast. even with appetite suppression i get hungry 2 hours after eating 400-500 calorie meals (5 times a day). if i couldnt control my eating i might gain weight on it actually. however, it seems to work if i keep true to my diet

[CONTROLLED LABS]

hey, controlled labs, im pretty sure it was controlled labs who did this.

there was a forum about a month or 2 ago that said if you sign up on a forum and ask for samples white flood samples or other samples will be sent to you for free. i followed directions correctly and no samples were sent to me. anybody have the link to the thread? reps involved

resend the request then. some people send in addresses incorrectly and some may get lost in the mail.

[Dizzbeme]

I'm new to the boards and was wondering if you cloud take
REDuction
and
Lean Out
Or would it be better to take out the lean out and just use 7-Keto?
Or are both of them the same thing

Thanks

[evilkeo]

first time poster- lurking since early last year.

curious if anyone has had any experience with CTD Labs Hypercuts. Guy at nutrition depot in Houston recommended it hands down. i just started taking it 2 days ago but was curious if anyone else had tried it.

[Djin]

I'm new to the boards and was wondering if you cloud take
REDuction
and
Lean Out
Or would it be better to take out the lean out and just use 7-Keto?
Or are both of them the same thing

Thanks

7-Keto is the "cleaner" form of DHEA, or also a HGH. It doesn't work. Pass on it. Stay clear from CLA too. It's been proven that you need MEGA doses (10g or higher for some people) for it to actually work.

I know from personal experience that with dedication to the kitchen and hardwork in the gym, I lost 21lbs while on REDuction.

Others have also lost a lot of weight... Lean out, never heard of that.

[Dizzbeme]

7-Keto is the "cleaner" form of DHEA, or also a HGH. It doesn't work. Pass on it. Stay clear from CLA too. It's been proven that you need MEGA doses (10g or higher for some people) for it to actually work.

I know from personal experience that with dedication to the kitchen and hardwork in the gym, I lost 21lbs while on REDuction.

Others have also lost a lot of weight... Lean out, never heard of that.

K thanks here is the link to lean out
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bev/lean.html

I was looking at it and seems like it is similar to keto but not sure.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I'm new to the boards and was wondering if you cloud take
REDuction
and
Lean Out
Or would it be better to take out the lean out and just use 7-Keto?
Or are both of them the same thing

Thanks

REDuction is perfect on its own, no need to combine anything with it

[Brandon914]

Control Labs:

I tried your sample of REDuction. The AM really didnt do much for me, i mean i felt pretty normal. But the PM is amazing. i slept like a baby and everything.

Also i tried your Purple Wraath sample, that stuffs addicting i sware lol i loved it. That tingly fealing is kinda cool lol.

i want another sample of the REDuction to try again, maybe another dose will do the trick? im not to sure.

[latinchinese]

I actually use the purple pills as sleeping aid lol.
I can feel both red and purple pills are working, and it doesn't make me crash in the afternoon like others...

[latinchinese]

I find REDuction perks me up a lot more then I thought it did. I didn't take any for a little while and was awake, doing my chores, doing AM cardio/working out, etc. Started taking REDuction again, HOLY Christmas.

Maybe it's just me and the way I'm built, but when I was doing cardio, the shirt I was wearing looked as though I jumped into a lake. I will admit for the last six or so months I've been bulking, lacking on cardio, so this adjustment from bulk to cut could play a big role... but Jesus! It was horrible! :) Soaked... (in a good way though)
I don't sweat as much as you do, but I can feel it's working and it keeps me focus all day long. But again I am doing Yohimbine and keto diet as well...

[dirkwright]

7-Keto is the "cleaner" form of DHEA, or also a HGH. It doesn't work. Pass on it.

I've used 7-KETO for years now and I can say it works, but it's slow. I lost 40 lbs in about a year or so. It has other benefits as well for overall health, from what I have read.

[naturalguy]

I've used 7-KETO for years now and I can say it works, but it's slow. I lost 40 lbs in about a year or so. It has other benefits as well for overall health, from what I have read.

7-Keto is a good ingredient and does work. Older people seem to respond better to it than younger.

[tripo2]

Has anyone had experience with Gaspari's Mitotropin? im interested in purchasing it for my gf who is trying to get competition ready

[enswalters]

Has anyone had experience with Gaspari's Mitotropin? im interested in purchasing it for my gf who is trying to get competition ready

You can get a free sample on bb.com when you place your next order.

[Djin]

I've used 7-KETO for years now and I can say it works, but it's slow. I lost 40 lbs in about a year or so. It has other benefits as well for overall health, from what I have read.

Without knowing what I was doing really and just ate 1,500 calories, I lost 40lbs in 4 months... I read that 7-Keto is go for people after the age 25 or so...

[crazydog]

Ive had good results with Ripped Hardcore from NXlabs, + it dosent cost that much (1 for 36$, 2 for 48$)

i have a quick question, wasnt ephedrine banned? i went to buy my whey 2day and i saw 4everFit ephedrine 8mg 50tablets at 10$.
I cheked it up on the net and they sell it as a nasal decongestioner (sorry for spelin lol).
I m kinda new to "supplements", you think i should try it for fat loss?

[enswalters]

Ive had good results with Ripped Hardcore from NXlabs, + it dosent cost that much (1 for 36$, 2 for 48$)

i have a quick question, wasnt ephedrine banned? i went to buy my whey 2day and i saw 4everFit ephedrine 8mg 50tablets at 10$.
I cheked it up on the net and they sell it as a nasal decongestioner (sorry for spelin lol).
I m kinda new to "supplements", you think i should try it for fat loss?

There are still lots of places online that sell ephedra, even though it was banned. Different than ephedrine, which is a decongestant.

Whether you use it or not is up to you. Lots of people swore by it as a fat loss stack with caffeine and aspirin, and the main reason it was banned is because people were using ridiculous amounts of it which caused some medical problems and death in some cases.

[crazydog]

There are still lots of places online that sell ephedra, even though it was banned. Different than ephedrine, which is a decongestant.

Whether you use it or not is up to you. Lots of people swore by it as a fat loss stack with caffeine and aspirin, and the main reason it was banned is because people were using ridiculous amounts of it which caused some medical problems and death in some cases.

oh,k
thanks

[brooks937]

Facts are www.google.com. Facts are "search" button.

It takes a matter of 20 seconds (if that) to find how that **** can easily kill you. Stop being lazy.



I havent posted in along time, **** I havent been on these forums in a really long time, but after reading almost every post in this thread, Ive noticed something that kinda irritates me. Djin, Im sure everyone likes to hear every ones opinion, but after looking at your pictures and reading most of your advice. I think you need to slow down on giving any advice and stick to ONLY what you have done.

Your pictures show that you're in terrible shape, but you're trying to fix that ( I applaud this ) but really, you're one of the last people to being giving supplement advice or diet advice. I saw you stating to that kid awhile back taking only 1 g of protein per body weight? says who something you googled? The kid was a football player and obviously wants to keep his size, but lose some body fat, therefore your theory is wrong. He needed to keep his protein intake around 2 grams to 2.5 per body weight and cut his 6k calories down to around 4k of clean fats. Why would he cut his protein? so that he can lose muscle, power ( 2 things he doesn't wanna lose for football ) and " some " weight? anyways Im just rambling here, Im just getting tired of seeing your post because your advice is terrible. Get in healthy shape before you give any. Stick to what you experience on a supplement only please, because your advice stinks. No hard feelings.

[Djin]

I havent posted in along time, **** I havent been on these forums in a really long time, but after reading almost every post in this thread, Ive noticed something that kinda irritates me. Djin, Im sure everyone likes to hear every ones opinion, but after looking at your pictures and reading most of your advice. I think you need to slow down on giving any advice and stick to ONLY what you have done.

Your pictures show that you're in terrible shape, but you're trying to fix that ( I applaud this ) but really, you're one of the last people to being giving supplement advice or diet advice. I saw you stating to that kid awhile back taking only 1 g of protein per body weight? says who something you googled? The kid was a football player and obviously wants to keep his size, but lose some body fat, therefore your theory is wrong. He needed to keep his protein intake around 2 grams to 2.5 per body weight and cut his 6k calories down to around 4k of clean fats. Why would he cut his protein? so that he can lose muscle, power ( 2 things he doesn't wanna lose for football ) and " some " weight? anyways Im just rambling here, Im just getting tired of seeing your post because your advice is terrible. Get in healthy shape before you give any. Stick to what you experience on a supplement only please, because your advice stinks. No hard feelings.

You should of seen me when I was 245lbs. Let me ask you this. Can you jog at 10mph? I can. Can you leg press 540lbs? I can.

Perhaps I need to update the photos I have, and perhaps you need to read the date when I've posted them. Things and a lot of change can happen over the course of time.

You sir think 2g of protein... is WRONG. Perhaps you need to read some more and actually realize it doesn't effect someone... even if they were huge and wanted to maintain their muscle, 2-2.5g of protein is overkill.

Perhaps you need to go back in hiding and shut your mouth. You obvisouly have no idea what you're talking about either. Why don't you post a photo of yourself? Or are you some fat ass who's crying wolf?

Go back to your bridge you troll.

[MattJ1987]

I use Lipo 6 and Lipo 6x as my fat burner products, but i though about buying and trying this product called Arson from Muscle Asylum Project

[MattJ1987]

I use Lipo 6 and Lipo 6x as my fat burner products, but i though about buying and trying this product called Arson from Muscle Asylum Project

[Djin]

I use Lipo 6 and Lipo 6x as my fat burner products, but i though about buying and trying this product called Arson from Muscle Asylum Project

If you take a good look at it, Arson, Hydroxycut Hardcore and Xyiendrene RFA-X are all made by the same people (Muscletech). Personally I try to stay away from their over priced supplements, but maybe you might have better luck.

You might want to ask brooks937, because he clearly thinks my advice is garbage and I have no idea what I'm talking about. *Rolls eyes*

[enswalters]

Someone has to pay for all those advertisements and endorsements - which is the people that buy Muscletech products. I'm just not a big fan of spending money on products that are heavily advertised but are no more effective than similar products.

For me, it's just like buying generic prescription drugs. Same ingredients, same quality, lower price. It's not that I don't think their products won't work, I just don't think they're any better than some of the products that cost half as much, and I have other things to spend my money on.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Control Labs:

I tried your sample of REDuction. The AM really didnt do much for me, i mean i felt pretty normal. But the PM is amazing. i slept like a baby and everything.

Also i tried your Purple Wraath sample, that stuffs addicting i sware lol i loved it. That tingly fealing is kinda cool lol.

i want another sample of the REDuction to try again, maybe another dose will do the trick? im not to sure.
sorry, we can only do 1 sample per person. if you were on stims previously you probably wont get much out of 1 am dose.

[dave23cenci]

ive been looking at san tight extreme. been finding mixed reviews on it but some look promising. anyone use this fat burner?

[Perp]

Animal cuts seems to have a lot of good reviews on it. Im debating on those or Reduction right now.

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[CONTROLLED LABS]

Animal cuts seems to have a lot of good reviews on it. Im debating on those or Reduction right now.

you can get a free reduction sample. also, bb.com has a buy 2 get 1 free offer on REDuction pm, making it like 30 bucks for 3 bottles :eek:

[REvolving]

Hey-
Any advice is welcomed. I'm currently 6'1, 187 lbs w/ 8% bodyfat. I will be on weightgainer (TRUEMASS) and creatine (Green Mag) by next week. Ideally, I'd like to build musclemass over the next 2-3 months without elevating my bodyfat past 9%-and I'd like to get up to 193-195. Tentatively, I will begin taking a fat burner around mid-May to get my body fat down to b/t 3%-5%....does anyone have a similar build that has a suggestion for which fat burner to use? I have a relatively high metabolism, so a steady diet of cardio, fat burner, and proper diet SHOULD get me where I want to be in 30-45 days...any advice?

[schimka1]

Hi all,

I am new to the forum and I must say, thank you for all the great info. Last year at this time is was 285lbs. I am currently at 225lb and working to cut the fat even more. My question is, has anyone used the Xsport gym proprietary thermogenics, "ThermoX"? I can post the ingredients later. My diet and weekly workout routine is in line for a product that can compliment it. I can post my diet and excercise plan in detail if needed. Any feedback is appreciated.
thanks

[Sysyphus]

I have to agree, homemade methbags truly messed up the eph. market for us bodybuilders.

[markusamber]

Is it worth it to take a fat burner like Lipo 6 and No-xplode together? Or do they just cancel eachother out. Do fat burners and creatine mix well?

[Cyrus317]

Is it worth it to take a fat burner like Lipo 6 and No-xplode together? Or do they just cancel eachother out. Do fat burners and creatine mix well?

I'm not a fan of Lipo 6 (did absolutely nothing for me) and I'm leary of taking NO products with anything at all other than straight anti-oxidants; so... I'm not gonna touch the first question.

Creatine and fat burners, however, I'd say to stay away from it. Sounds like you are trying to gain muscle while burning fat. Classic trap most people fall into. You want muscle, you need excess calories to use as building blocks for it. You want to lose weight, you want a caloric deficit to force your body into a catabolic state, thereby burning fat deposits for fuel. Trying to bulk while also trying to cut will leave you with dissatisfying results, every time.

The one thing I REALLY don't like about the fat burner/creatine combo is that you are playing games with your body's fluids. Most fat burners work through thermogenesis... in other words, they raise your body temperature as a result of the increase in the metabolic rate. This would lead to increased water loss through sweating. Even a bigger issue if you are taking a fat burner with a diuretic, like Animal Cuts (good product... just using one I know has diuretic in it for a point). Now you are throwing creatine on top of that, which has heavy affects on the movement of water into muscle cells, thereby drawing it out of other systems. The two products together could have adverse affects on some of those systems. Your body, in other words, will dehydrate.

Don't take my advice as bashing any product(s). Just know that the aforementioned combo might not be the best idea. It'd be far better to bulk with the creatine, get off it, then follow that by a cut with the fat burner.

[lejza]

I have been using lipo 6 for almost 5 weeks. With a pretty strict diet and a exercise plan i've lost 23 pounds but i dont think i can feel any effects of lipo6 anymore. Maybe my tolerance got higher or something... but after i finish my 8 weeks of taking lipo 6 ill probably switch to lipo 6x. We will see if i could continue with the results. I was even thinking about hydroxycut hardcore but i guess ill stick with that lipo 6x after 8 weeks. What you all think?

[phlpcoke8]

Zero G is a supplement that I was very surprised about. In good ways ofcourse. I know universal supplements are very goodhttps://thegrindersgame.com/co/34/b/happy.gif

[TapOut4002]

2 shredded by beast sports nutrition

[adamsteve14]

I am considering Lipo 6x, Cellucor D4 Thermal Shock or REDuction for my cut starting mid april. What would be best for getting me down from around 14%BF with proper diet and a LOT of cardio 5 days a week and lifting? I am on a CL stack of WF, Green MAG, PW.

Also, would GM hinder my cutting goals or should I drop it during my cut?

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I am considering Lipo 6x, Cellucor D4 Thermal Shock or REDuction for my cut starting mid april. What would be best for getting me down from around 14%BF with proper diet and a LOT of cardio 5 days a week and lifting? I am on a CL stack of WF, Green MAG, PW.

Also, would GM hinder my cutting goals or should I drop it during my cut?

GM is great on a cut. REDuction would be a great choice since you are on white flood as its only 1 stim dose (am) per day. you can also try a free sample.

[brooks937]

So basically I was thinking of running my supplements something like this

8am 2 am reduction pills and 1 pack mcuts animal pack 1 pack animal vitamins

eat 30 minutes after


4pm 1 pack mcuts animal pack 1 pack animal pack vitamins

subway 30 minutes later ( Its quick because Im on a tight schedule coming from school ( chicken sub loaded veges foot long )

gym 5ish


2pm pills reduction before sleep


there's more to the diet and protein shakes, but basically I was curious what your guys opinion would be on the stacking of the reduction and mcuts..

alot of over the counter supplements are weak and a waste of money, thats why I prefer stacking them heavlying, otherwise I might as well use some tren and winny to get REAL results.

I also have alot of stuff laying around here from now foods

coq 10
L-glutamine
Fish oil 3-6-9
multi vitamins
zma

purple wrath and green mag also from controlled labs, stuff I dont use just taking up space. Well I do use the L-glutamine and should probably start taking the Fish oil. I just havent got around to it. I seem to buy stuff and Im using other stuff and I just pack on "stock" for later...

[SkellorX]

So can reduction be used along with size on and sp250. I personally dont wana switch from those but wana try the reduction.

[NJ2TXFF]

Just started a cycle of Mitotropin today, stacking with Arimatest. Also taking Kre Alkalyn Creatine capsules and picking up some protein power tomorrow, any reccomendations?

[RCSCSF]

Just started taking Bioquest BetaStax. It's a thermogenic with stims so if you're afraid of feeling a little hyper, it's not for you. I'm 5'11" 195 LBS looking to cut down from 20% body fat to a more comfortable 8%. I will keep posting and let everyone know my results.

[martobg]

how do you guys feel about taking Optimum CGT and Lipo 6x together during a cutting phase ? Some say mixing creating and fat burners is not a good idea...

[theboy12]

Not to derail the thread, but in my opinion these fat-burners are a waste of your money.

All it takes to melt off fat is these two things:

#1. Diet. What you eat is 80% of bodybuilding / health. Your calorie intake should be about 85-90% of what you need to maintain your size.....and if you do #2, your body will use its fat stores for energy. Make sure you are eating CLEAN, and take out high carb meals like spaghetti to reduce your calorie intake to the proper amount.

#2. Cardio. Can't burn off fat without doing cario (at least not at any decent rate). You should get a heart rate monitor and do cardio at 65-75% of your max heart rate (which you should get a doctor to test, since the 220-age can be a fair amount off). This heart rate area (60-80% in actuality, but find your own best area within) is what you need to burn off fat.

3x 45min-1hr cardio days a week, and 15mins max of light cardio after your weights for a few months, and you will see it melt off like butter. (so long as you also eat better, and maintain a slightly lower than needed calorie intake).

Stairmasters and Stationary bikes (ones where you are sitting up high, knees only slightly bent) are two of the best ones I've used for burning off fat.

Fat Burners can give you a very small percentage increase in your fat burning, but 98% of it comes from your diet (IE: foods).

If your gonna compete though or want to lose water weight fat burners can help. Although, there are natural diretics out there, these just seem to do the job much faster.

[naturalguy]

Zero G is a supplement that I was very surprised about. In good ways ofcourse. I know universal supplements are very goodhttps://thegrindersgame.com/co/34/b/happy.gif

Zero G is a very under ratted supplement

[DGreekStallion]

Zero G is a very under ratted supplement

I've actually thought about trying it.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

So can reduction be used along with size on and sp250. I personally dont wana switch from those but wana try the reduction. absolutely, that is perfectly fine :)

[SpinFan]

I just ordered my REDuction after trying my sample.

I have a couple of questions:
I wake up at 5:15 and immediately have my preWO meal. I'm usually at the gym at 5:45 and there until 7:30. Is it ok to take the AM pills when I get back from the gym and 30 mins before my post-WO meal?

Also, I eat my dinner pretty much right before bed, is it ok to take the PM pills with food?

Thanks!

[bryan_15]

got a 30 day supply last tuesday and i am using it with animal pump..seems to be doing its job so far on the thermogenic part...def sweat more in the weightroom, buts thats to come with water uptake..will see how it really does after the month is up!

[BetaStax_Rep]

Just started taking Bioquest BetaStax. It's a thermogenic with stims so if you're afraid of feeling a little hyper, it's not for you. I'm 5'11" 195 LBS looking to cut down from 20% body fat to a more comfortable 8%. I will keep posting and let everyone know my results.

Great! Lets see some pics :)

[ripped2shreds777]

need some help in this area... tried hydroxycut, VPX redline, Hot-Rox, Hot-Rox xtrme, SAN tight!, Basic Cuts and countess others, and they all suck. some actually made me more tired. The only thing that works well for me is Thermogenisis but its choc full of ephedra so... um... if I had to choose Id say hot-rox xtreme and 2 red bulls worked the best of the non-ephedra fat burners lol.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I just ordered my REDuction after trying my sample.

I have a couple of questions:
I wake up at 5:15 and immediately have my preWO meal. I'm usually at the gym at 5:45 and there until 7:30. Is it ok to take the AM pills when I get back from the gym and 30 mins before my post-WO meal?

Also, I eat my dinner pretty much right before bed, is it ok to take the PM pills with food?

Thanks!
take the am before the workout and the pm before your dinner.

got a 30 day supply last tuesday and i am using it with animal pump..seems to be doing its job so far on the thermogenic part...def sweat more in the weightroom, buts thats to come with water uptake..will see how it really does after the month is up!

looking forward to your feedback :)

[CompoundIntrest]

I am just finishing my first month of reduction and I love it! Can I continue with another month using reduction or do I need to take time off?

[G I JoE]

with so many to choose from why did no one make a poll!?!?!?! theres just so many to choose i cant decide! am on lipo 6 but its WANK!!! hasnt done anything for me. am on nutrex anabol too + no xplode

[CONTROLLED LABS]

I am just finishing my first month of reduction and I love it! Can I continue with another month using reduction or do I need to take time off?
yup, 2 months straight then 2 weeks off all stims. during the off period you can still take the PM pills, which is one of the reasons we sell it separately as well.

what kind of results have you had so far?

with so many to choose from why did no one make a poll!?!?!?! theres just so many to choose i cant decide! am on lipo 6 but its WANK!!! hasnt done anything for me. am on nutrex anabol too + no xplode

poll can only have so many choices and doesnt account for new products

[AC4u2njoy]

so i want to get a fat burner, i have a lot of tummy fat. i'm 6 foot and weigh 206. about 2 months agao i was 225, and lost it all just by running and eating right. i think i'm ready for some aide. THere are way to many things on the market! I need help! What you you recommend. I started taking meltdown in the am, and NO xplode just prior to WO. are there any other magical substances out there?

[AC4u2njoy]

my girlfriend also wants to lose weight but she never hits the gym, what product do you recommend for her, she has changed her diet tremendesly to lose some weight but needs an aide as well.

[Mike_Dunn]

rippedfreak is what i'm currently using and it kicks my ass. love the way i feel on this product. now i'm looking for a musclebuilder to stack it with.

anyone else tried rippedfreak?? do you guys know anything about this product?

[Bori08]

cellucor d4 by FAR!!!!!!!!!

[steveironpump]

It definately works

[vasken-emile]

i began using hydroxicut hardcore, i just want to make sure, can i at the same time take supplements to gain only muscle weight.. will they cancel each other or something...

[ophelia53]

my girlfriend also wants to lose weight but she never hits the gym, what product do you recommend for her, she has changed her diet tremendesly to lose some weight but needs an aide as well.

does she workout at all?

[ophelia53]

my fave so far is animal cuts. i'm currently on gaspari's mitotropin, still have quite a bit left and diet hasn't been as clean as it should have been. but i'm back on the diet track, so we'll see. i'm gonna give it a fair shot, that's for sure.

[naturalguy]

my fave so far is animal cuts. i'm currently on gaspari's mitotropin, still have quite a bit left and diet hasn't been as clean as it should have been. but i'm back on the diet track, so we'll see. i'm gonna give it a fair shot, that's for sure.

Good to hear you had great results with Animal Cuts

[AC4u2njoy]

does she workout at all?

I been dragging her in lately a lot of cardio and core workout, would animal cuts work for her?

[legenbass25]

i began using hydroxicut hardcore, i just want to make sure, can i at the same time take supplements to gain only muscle weight.. will they cancel each other or something...

They will not cancel each other out. The hydroxycut hardcore will aid in fat loss, not muscle loss, unless you're not taking in enough calories and protein then you will not gain any muscle. Also, gaining muscle in general is the most potent thing you can do to burn more fat anyways, the hydroxycut hardcore will just help speed that fat loss up a bit more. If you're looking to really pack on mass then I would not take the fat burner, but otherwise I would say for sure go for it!

[RCSCSF]

Just started Bioquest Betastax two weeks ago. Anybody out there on it currently or taken it in the past. Workin pretty well for me so far. I have pre pics on my profile and will add progress pics. Just lookin for somebody else out there on it.

[stamos11]

just started on rippedfreak. i'm happy with it. felt like i was on speed the first couple of days.

[mad103]

a Poll would be great. I have gone through several pages and there are just so many products to pick from and a few repeats. Top 10-20 would be great, especially since it doesnt seem to coincide with bb.com top purchased products.

I have been on Lipo-6 and it has helped me lean out somewhat but I am still stuck with some love handles. I am pretty lean throughout except my midsection (the handles). I am 6'1 196lbs. I am at the gym 4-5 times a week with regular 30 min cardio. Heavy lifting. Diet is on lockdown, except with a few meals on weekends. I want to try another fatburner and I am stuck between

-Animal Cuts
-Hydroxycut Hardcore

and the new one from this thread seems to be

-REDuction

I really need something to rid my stored fat!

Help guys

[CONTROLLED LABS]

a Poll would be great. I have gone through several pages and there are just so many products to pick from and a few repeats. Top 10-20 would be great, especially since it doesnt seem to coincide with bb.com top purchased products.

I have been on Lipo-6 and it has helped me lean out somewhat but I am still stuck with some love handles. I am pretty lean throughout except my midsection (the handles). I am 6'1 196lbs. I am at the gym 4-5 times a week with regular 30 min cardio. Heavy lifting. Diet is on lockdown, except with a few meals on weekends. I want to try another fatburner and I am stuck between

-Animal Cuts
-Hydroxycut Hardcore

and the new one from this thread seems to be

-REDuction

I really need something to rid my stored fat!

Help guys

try a few samples of the most popular ones from here :)

[mad103]

try a few samples of the most popular ones from here :)

How do you get these free samples? are we talking about those little 1-2 serving packs?

[naturalguy]

a Poll would be great. I have gone through several pages and there are just so many products to pick from and a few repeats. Top 10-20 would be great, especially since it doesnt seem to coincide with bb.com top purchased products.

I have been on Lipo-6 and it has helped me lean out somewhat but I am still stuck with some love handles. I am pretty lean throughout except my midsection (the handles). I am 6'1 196lbs. I am at the gym 4-5 times a week with regular 30 min cardio. Heavy lifting. Diet is on lockdown, except with a few meals on weekends. I want to try another fatburner and I am stuck between

-Animal Cuts
-Hydroxycut Hardcore

and the new one from this thread seems to be

-REDuction

I really need something to rid my stored fat!

Help guys

Keep in mind that diet and training will have the most impact on your fat loss. With that said if you are considering Animal Cuts, it's the # 3 best selling fat burner here on bb.com, it flat out works.

Here is feedback on it:

http://forum.animalpak.com/showthread.php?t=317

[CONTROLLED LABS]

How do you get these free samples? are we talking about those little 1-2 serving packs?

yes, single serving of the AM and single serving of the PM. you can either get it by adding it to your cart at bb.com or if you arent placing an order soon, you can check the link in my signature below to get the free samples

[aulpay217]

I would have to say Lipo 6X and a healthy diet.

[BMA17]

ive taken a few fat burners and had some good results with hydroxycut and reduction. lipo6x was ok. im looking for a fat burner that has a real good appetite suppressant. any suggestions?


on a side note.
last year dropped 20 lbs in 2 months with hydroxycut hardore and have lost about 10-12 pounds with reduction this past month. currently down to 208. IM 6'1".

[Hellfirex]

After coming down from 330 to 235 i tried out hydroxycut hardcore to get some extra help and it seemed like it did a decent job, lost about 10 lbs throughout the month of december.

I've been taking REDuction now tho and this is definitly where its at. I'm down to 207 and have been shedding like a snake the past 2 months. Only thing wierd i noticed was at some times even after finishing a meal im still starving. Other times a simple yogurt and banana will do the trick. Dunno maybe its the metabolism changing.

Either way, definitly recommended. On a side note the PM caps make sleep really interesting to say the least.. i get a solid 6-8 hours everytime but oh man the dreams are intense.

[mad103]

A lot of you guys mention results in pounds. I think I am good poundwise. Between

ANIMAL Cuts
Hydroxycut Hardcore
REDuction

Which of these products works best in showing physical shedding/cutting results? I am trying to get something that will trim/cut down my midsection area. I have these pain in the a$$ love handles that wont go away and I have a strict diet with 4-5 workout days with cardio and heavy lifting.

Which is best for ridding stored bodyfat? The ultimate cutting supplement.