200-300lb class Methyl-1,4ADDiol log/review

[NO MERCY]

On monday I will be beginning my 4 week cycle of Methyl-1,4ADDiol. I will be starting off at 30mgs per day. 15mgs in the AM and 15mgs in the PM.

Stats
6ft 1 268 pounds 15% bodyfat

Training
Monday - Chest, Back, Bi's
Tuesday - Shoulders, Legs, Tri's
Wed - off
Thursday - Chest, Back, Bi's
Friday - Shoulders, Legs, Tri's
Sat/Sun - off

Diet
I am doing a clean bulk, taking in around 5000 calories a day and approx 500 grams of protein. This typically includes 6 scoops of protein, a homemade weight gainer, lots of oats, rice, chicken, beef, eggs, and milk. I also drink about 1-2 gallons of water a day.

Supplements
Creatine and dextrose (which I have been taking daily for the some time now)
Whey protein
Protein blend
Multivitamin, Vit E, Vit C
2000mgs of Flaxseed oil
1000mgs of Fish oil

No other supplement will be used or added while during my 4 week cycle

Strength
I will be closely monitoring 6 major exercises to help me measure strengths increases. I will periodically update my increases in each exercise as I do not always preform these exercises each time I train the designated body parts. Below are my current stats

Bench press - last set 335 for 3
Standing military press (in front) - last set 195 for 3
Machine wide grip pull downs (to eye level) - last set 260 for 3
Squat - last set 335 (parallel) for 3
Close grip bench - 285 for 3
Straight bar curl - 125 for 2


If anyone has any questions or comments at this time please feel free to post.

In addition, I want to thank Sldgehmr for giving me this opportunity to test this compound. I greatly appreciate it. Thank you.

[Sixpack]

Good luck with it bro
Sixpack

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by Sixpack
Good luck with it bro
Sixpack

Thank you same to you

[upINtheLBC]

looking forward to yalls logs

good luck with it.

[vortex72]

Good luck.

Hopefully the cycle will help your squat :(

I'm probably have half the muscle mass you do and my squat kills yours. I'll trade you my leg genetics for your chest/shoulder genetics :)

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by vortex72
Good luck.

Hopefully the cycle will help your squat :(

I'm probably have half the muscle mass you do and my squat kills yours. I'll trade you my leg genetics for your chest/shoulder genetics :)

hahah Ya i hear you. I have always kept my squats light.

[Workin2005]

What brand are you using and where can I get it?
I can't find any M1-4AD diol anywhere with the exception of legal gears, but I don't want to use a transdermal.
Any orals available w/ good delivery?
Thanks!

[Aeternal]

Originally posted by rjet
What brand are you using and where can I get it?
I can't find any M1-4AD diol anywhere with the exception of legal gears, but I don't want to use a transdermal.
Any orals available w/ good delivery?
Thanks!

Check your pms

[Workin2005]

thanks bro, Check your pms

[Ginobili]

Good luck No Mercy.

[LIL_ DADDY]

Good luck bro, I will be watching let me know via PM's as well. Dont forget the little guy.


I am going to start another m1t cycle on monday as well.


JT

[buddha]

good luck, NM! looking forward to see the progress.

[Douche_Nutz]

Holy **** No Mercy, I had no idea you were such a beast. I envy your size and strength.

I'll definitely be following your progress... Maybe I'll be able to use some of the info in like 10 years or something :)

[Sldgehmr]

LG doesnt make M14ADD, no one other then me has it.

I can wait to see how this test goes, we may have to use a higher dose for you next week but I want you to start at 30mgs just like everyone else.

How long have you been using the creatine, I dont want any gaisn from that, counted. So if you have been on it for awhile now then it scool, if not then I would rather you stay off it for a better test.

Thanks for doing this bro.

[scott_donald]

good luck then... intersting to see how it goes... sure it will go well...

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by Sldgehmr
LG doesnt make M14ADD, no one other then me has it.

I can wait to see how this test goes, we may have to use a higher dose for you next week but I want you to start at 30mgs just like everyone else.

How long have you been using the creatine, I dont want any gaisn from that, counted. So if you have been on it for awhile now then it scool, if not then I would rather you stay off it for a better test.

Thanks for doing this bro.

Sldge, I have been on the creatine and dextrose for about 4 months now. I can stop taking it but I figured that would skew results as I easily would drop 5 pounds of water. Its your call man you let me know what you want me to do.

Thank you everyone for the support. Its greatly appreciated.

Lil D I will be popping you Pm's bro.

[Dedicated1]

At 268 lbs with 15% BF, thats still 227.8 lbs of LBM. Thats a lot.

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by Stay Puft
Exactly what I was thinking. Do you happen to have a thread up or pics NM?

Nope no digital camera right now but its on the shopping list. I will be posting pics this summer after I drop some bodyfat. Prob will have them with my next log.

[Stay Puft]

Originally posted by Dedicated1
At 268 lbs with 15% BF, thats still 227.8 lbs of LBM. Thats a lot.

Exactly what I was thinking. Do you happen to have a thread up or pics NM?

[LIL_ DADDY]

Good luck bro, I will be watching... Think you can get to 280 or so.

JT

[Ubër-Anarchist]

OMG, NO MERCY u are ****ing beast and a half!!. Thats some big numbers man. I hope this cycle goes well for u.

P.S Damn your a friggin mammoth, sry i just had to say it again:D:D

[GhostfaceKillah]

I look forward to seeing everyone's results. Good luck, team Huge.

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

Date Feb 7, 2004

I have just received my M14ADD (Thanks Sledge) and will begin my cycle on monday with No Mercy. I am currently weighing 250 lbs, and stand 6'3". My current BF% (measured 5 times), averages 15%. I have switched my lifting routine from Power Lifting (Max OT) to slightly higher reps (6-8). I am in a calorie deficit, my BMR is 2500 calories, and have reduced my intake to 2000 calories. I am aiming to hit 220 lbs by june. So, my log is really the opposite of No Mercy, this should give a clear example of what the product can do in both phases.

I have changed my diet;

Pre-workout - 1/2 cup oats, 2 scoops VP2, 5 grams Creatine, 1 Tablespoon Flaxseed oil
Post-workout - 1 cup oats, 2 scoops VP2, 5 grams creatine
Mid AM Snack - 1/2 cup oats, 2 scoops MPI
Lunch - 1/2 cup oats, 2scoops MPI
3:30 pm - 1 scoop MPI, 1 tablespoon Flaxseed
Dinner - 4 grams lean meat, vegetables
PM snack - 1 serving MPI, 1 serving Flax
*will substitute whole wheat pasta at times for oats, and cottage cheese at time for protein.

This puts me at approximately 2000 calories (approx. 300 grams protein, approx. 140 grams of carbs, and approx. 42 grams of healthy fat)

Lifts I will monitor:
Flat Bench: 245 lbs 8xs
Squat 315 lbs 8 xs
SLDL - 315 6xs
BB Row - 275 lbs 6 xs
Military - 145 lbs 8xs
Close Grip - 185 lbs 7xs

If interested in monitoring all lifts, here is the link to my lifting journal: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=222541


Supplements:
VP2
HSC
MPI
Centrum
Cold Fusion
M14ADD
Flax

the cycle will last 4 weeks, starting at 30mgs a day for week one, possibly increasing week 2. nolva will be used post cycle

[ronmolina]

Good luck guys. I will definetly follow these results.

[Younglifter14]

Originally posted by Sixpack
Good luck with it bro
Sixpack

Were you the same sixpack from the fitnessboards.com ?

Young

[CYN1C]

Good luck bros...

GUNSOFNAVARONE - I Love your sig...so true :)

Good luck...

PS. No MERCY...BEAST! lol. Good luck man

Peace

[NO MERCY]

Thanks for the compliments fellas. JT pop me a PM next time you see me on playa

[Sixpack]

Yes
Originally posted by Younglifter14
Were you the same sixpack from the fitnessboards.com ?

Young

[Deoudes59]

Good Luck NM - I'm definitly paying attention

[Skillz]

Good Luck No mercy, i wish nothing but the best.

[Younglifter14]

Originally posted by Sixpack
Yes

wow. Your posts got me started and taught me the basics I needed to know :). I learned the basics from your posts, and was able to get into weightlfting from it ;). Now im able to explain the anatomy of a muscle.

Thanks

Young

[Younglifter14]

Bump so my hero sees this :(

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

Not much to note, took the 15 mgs, taste not great, not the worst thing though. Not expecting much the first few days or week. i'll keep posting though, and will be sure to note any side effects

[zall]

Good luck Gunz,

Will be following this thread close,

And best of luck to you too Mercy,

[sawastea]

Originally posted by Younglifter14
wow. Your posts got me started and taught me the basics I needed to know :). I learned the basics from your posts, and was able to get into weightlfting from it ;). Now im able to explain the anatomy of a muscle.


That's good to hear. Sixpack has always given great advice...

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Team Huge,

Good luck fellas...

Big D, err, little D, compared to you guys :p :D

[ke0]

for such heavy guys i'd expect your lifts to be much higher. anyways, good luck on your cycles!

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

Originally posted by ke0
for such heavy guys i'd expect your lifts to be much higher. anyways, good luck on your cycles!

i have had MUCH higher lifts (ie when i was powerlifting), now, i am focusing more on the feel of an exercise as opposed to the poundages.

[ke0]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
My bench will go up 50 pounds in a couple weeks. I respond well to androgens. Watch and see :D

i can't wait :D pics pleeease!

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by ke0
for such heavy guys i'd expect your lifts to be much higher. anyways, good luck on your cycles!

My bench will go up 50 pounds in a couple weeks. I respond well to androgens. Watch and see :D


In addition, you should see my form. I go very very slow on negatives. Form is much more important than weight. Plus those numbers are will NO assistance. I see people saying they can max 300 pounds and some guy is pulling the damn weight off thier chest. When they are done these guys are still saying "see I told you I could do it" Just blows my mind.

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by ke0
i can't wait :D pics pleeease!

I will get them up soon man

I gotta get a damn digital camera. My polaroid just is not cutting it anymore :D

[Ice Man]

Originally posted by GUNZOFNAVARONE
i have had MUCH higher lifts (ie when i was powerlifting), now, i am focusing more on the feel of an exercise as opposed to the poundages.

I couldn't agree more. I have lowered what I lift quite a few times when I start to realize my form is going to poop.

[CYN1C]

Originally posted by sawastea
That's good to hear. Sixpack has always given great advice...

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Team Huge,

Good luck fellas...

Big D, err, little D, compared to you guys :p :D

Bump

[Sixpack]

Thanks guys I do my best to help everyone i Can out
Sixpack



Originally posted by sawastea
That's good to hear. Sixpack has always given great advice...

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Team Huge,

Good luck fellas...

Big D, err, little D, compared to you guys :p :D

[NO MERCY]

Just wanted to let everyone know that when I stepped on the scale yesterday I actually weighed in at 266. It prob is just water weight fluctuation. However, I want this thread to be very detailed.

Had a fair workout yesterday. Obviously, to early to notice anything at this time

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

Day 2 - obviously i am not feeling anything today...had a great back and bis workout though...will note when things start to get interesting.

[ke0]

i asked this on another m14add thread so i guess ill ask it here too.

do you guys notice that sense of "well being" that others are talking about? if so, could you please elaborate on this?

[twista]

are you going to be deadlifting during your cycle?

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

Originally posted by ke0
i asked this on another m14add thread so i guess ill ask it here too.

do you guys notice that sense of "well being" that others are talking about? if so, could you please elaborate on this?

my sense of well being has always been one of confidence, which allows me to feel more positive about many aspects of life, not just training. it is not a state of euphoria, for me at least

[zall]

Originally posted by twista
are you going to be deadlifting during your cycle?

why wouldn't they?

[ke0]

Originally posted by GUNZOFNAVARONE
my sense of well being has always been one of confidence, which allows me to feel more positive about many aspects of life, not just training. it is not a state of euphoria, for me at least

hm maybe i should clarify. i meant from m14add.

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

Originally posted by ke0
hm maybe i should clarify. i meant from m14add.

i have noticed it from other compounds, way too early to tell if this will do the same, i expect it probably will (provided i get stronger!!)

[Dedicated1]

Originally posted by zall
why wouldn't they?

I dont deadlift at all. Ever. Infact, I dont see much point in it. Aside from it beng good on lower back, there are plenty of other exercises to build the muscles involved. Im not being defensive about it, just making a statement. :)

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

Originally posted by Dedicated1
I dont deadlift at all. Ever. Infact, I dont see much point in it. Aside from it beng good on lower back, there are plenty of other exercises to build the muscles involved. Im not being defensive about it, just making a statement. :)

deadlifts ARE NOT in line for me this cycle, i do rotate them in every 8 weeks. They are a great exercise for me, especially when i get to reps of 6 with 500 lbs. but, that won't be part of this cycle :(

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by ke0
hm maybe i should clarify. i meant from m14add.

Ya to early right now. I will keep everyone posted on this

Also I do not deadlift either. Never have used them in my workout routine.

[ke0]

Originally posted by GUNZOFNAVARONE
deadlifts ARE NOT in line for me this cycle, i do rotate them in every 8 weeks. They are a great exercise for me, especially when i get to reps of 6 with 500 lbs. but, that won't be part of this cycle :(

ok i take back what i said about your lifts not being higher.

[Dedicated1]

Deadlifts, IMO, are probably a good way to get a hernia. Thats the main reason I dont do them.

[MarcusG]

Not for the vast majority of people . Deadlifts are a good exercise.
Not talking about you but I do notice that recreational lifters will dream up plenty of excuses not to do squats and deadlifts - lower back injury, knee problem, hernia etc but still do bp even if their shoulders are f*ked.

[NPursuit]

No Mercy- Glad to see you testing this bro. Best of luck to ya. I'll try not to rag on you too much about not deadlifting either :D

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by NPursuit
No Mercy- Glad to see you testing this bro. Best of luck to ya. I'll try not to rag on you too much about not deadlifting either :D

hahah alright man fair enough. Thanks

[vortex72]

I think deadlifting is one of THE best exercises for building total body strength. Sure, you can do several other lifts that work the same muscles, but there is no substitute for deadlifting.

I do them just because I know they are giving me usable strength and after 4 sets of them I'm damn sweaty and ready to do the rest of my back/bicep routine which includes more "isolation" type lifts.

I want to look good, but I want to be strong too!

[NO MERCY]

Day 2

Weight 266

Nothing new to report.

[Dedicated1]

What about boners? Oh, wrong thread. Nevermind. :)

[Deoudes59]

hahaha

[zall]

Man I gotta deadlift guys :)

Its just an awsome compound, only the squat is better to me,

But each to their own,

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

Day 3, off day, nothing noticeable yet, will check in tomorrow

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

Haven't noticed much yet, i am currently at 30 mgs a day. will keep updating.

[NO MERCY]

Day 4

I have had an increase in appetite over the past 4 days. However, its to early to tell if it is related to the compound. I will be working out tonight and will post info in regards to my workout tomorrow.

[Sldgehmr]

after day 5 is hopefully when you should notice more, you guys are my big weight class so we may need to adjust doses but I want a full 7 days at 30mgs first.

appt, pumps, great workouts may be the first starting signs.

[NO MERCY]

Big Sldge....check your email man. I have a favor to ask.

[ke0]

What are the lowest/highest recommended dosages for m14add? and shortest/longest cycle length recommendations?

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by ke0
What are the lowest/highest recommended dosages for m14add? and shortest/longest cycle length recommendations?

Never go over 6 weeks with a 17aa compound.

I wouldn't go less than 4 weeks in order to tap out nitrogen retention

40mgs seems to be on the higher end right now. 30mgs the lower end

[lakevillethor]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
My bench will go up 50 pounds in a couple weeks. I respond well to androgens. Watch and see :D




You and me both, bro :cool:
-AT

[Ice Man]

Originally posted by vortex72
I think deadlifting is one of THE best exercises for building total body strength. Sure, you can do several other lifts that work the same muscles, but there is no substitute for deadlifting.

I do them just because I know they are giving me usable strength and after 4 sets of them I'm damn sweaty and ready to do the rest of my back/bicep routine which includes more "isolation" type lifts.

I want to look good, but I want to be strong too!

I'll have to agree deads have done wonders for my back, but hey to each his own!

[NO MERCY]

I had a good workout today. However, no strength increases to report and no weight gain.

[NO MERCY]

Day 5

So far I have noticed a slight incrase in libido and slight increase in appetite.

I will be going to the gym later on tonight. I will post my results from the training session this weekend.

Sldge, I will weigh in tonight. If I have not gained any water weight at this time I would like permission to increase dose to 40mgs a day starting tomorrow. Thank you

[ke0]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
Day 5

So far I have noticed a slight incrase in libido and slight increase in appetite.

I will be going to the gym later on tonight. I will post my results from the training session this weekend.

Sldge, I will weigh in tonight. If I have not gained any water weight at this time I would like permission to increase dose to 40mgs a day starting tomorrow. Thank you

is sledge sending you another bottle?

[Sixpack]

I have not got an email back from him either on the status if he does not send me another bottle i am going to do MT-1 at 10mg ed for 2 weeks, I have 4 bottles sitting here
Sixpack

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by ke0
is sledge sending you another bottle?

I have asked him for another but I have not heard from him. Hopefully, I hear back soon.

I do have 4 bottles of the tabs I ordered from him. However, those will not be ready in time.

[ke0]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
I have asked him for another but I have not heard from him. Hopefully, I hear back soon.

I do have 4 bottles of the tabs I ordered from him. However, those will not be ready in time.

Are there 90, 10mg tabs per bottle? or 60? I'd check the site but its under maintenance.

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by ke0
Are there 90, 10mg tabs per bottle? or 60? I'd check the site but its under maintenance.

90

[NO MERCY]

Solid workout

However, no water weight has occurred yet.

I think it may be time to increase the dose.

[Sldgehmr]

ill send you both another bottle, unless the tab are here in time (pray for fast shipping) and go up to 40mgs.

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by Sldgehmr
ill send you both another bottle, unless the tab are here in time (pray for fast shipping) and go up to 40mgs.

Thank you very much!!

[NO MERCY]

Starting today I am going up to 40mgs a day.

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
Starting today I am going up to 40mgs a day.

same here

thanks sledge

[Sldgehmr]

no problem guys.

[Sixpack]

Thanks again bro
Sixpack

[NO MERCY]

Day 8

Yesterday's workout was a solid one. However, no strength increases at this time. I do not expect much as far as strength right now as it is still very early.

Here is what I am noticing though

- increased libido
- increased appetite
- good pumps
- slight increase of acne on my chest and back.

I weighed in at 268. Which means I gained two pounds of water.

Day 9

I am training shoulders, tri's, and legs tonight and will post results from the training session tonight.

I will also weigh in again.

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

i have been on 40 mgs for the past few days, my appetite is definetly going up, i'm hungry all the time, i have also noticed some water retention. slight acne on the forehead, not too bad.

also, my workouts have seemed much more productive, my strength continues to climb, but much ,if not all of this is due i'm sure to my brain and not so much the m14add, as it is still very early in the cycle.

one thing of interest however has been that with reduced rest intervals of 60 sec. (down from 3-5min), i'm still putting up the same weight if not heavier.


just an observation

[scott_donald]

Originally posted by GUNZOFNAVARONE
i have been on 40 mgs for the past few days, my appetite is definetly going up, i'm hungry all the time, i have also noticed some water retention. slight acne on the forehead, not too bad.

also, my workouts have seemed much more productive, my strength continues to climb, but much ,if not all of this is due i'm sure to my brain and not so much the m14add, as it is still very early in the cycle.

one thing of interest however has been that with reduced rest intervals of 60 sec. (down from 3-5min), i'm still putting up the same weight if not heavier.


just an observation

good to see... vey interesting... strength increase with cutting...

[NO MERCY]

If all goes well with this compound I should see some strength increases at the end of this week.

[NO MERCY]

Sldge, did any of your original testers have blood work done after using this compound? The reason I ask is it may be necessary to bump my dose up to 45mgs a day. I will have to see how this week goes. If I do not add any more water weight and do not have any increase in strenght by the end of this week, it my be necessary to increase the dose. I want to make the best of this bulking cycle.

Your feedback and opinion on this matter would be greatly appreciated.

[NO MERCY]

Day 10

Today is a rest day for me. Yesterday I weighed in at 269. I am up 3 pounds now so the water weight is starting to come on.

I had an excellent workout and have strength increases to report

squat - Final set up from 335 for 3 to 365 for 3
close grip bench - Final set up from 285 for 3 to 315 for 3 !!!

[buddha]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
Day 10

Today is a rest day for me. Yesterday I weighed in at 269. I am up 3 pounds now so the water weight is starting to come on.

I had an excellent workout and have strength increases to report

squat - Final set up from 335 for 3 to 365 for 3
close grip bench - Final set up from 285 for 3 to 315 for 3 !!!

dayum, 30 lbs in 10 days!? very impressive you freak!

[ke0]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
Day 10

Today is a rest day for me. Yesterday I weighed in at 269. I am up 3 pounds now so the water weight is starting to come on.

I had an excellent workout and have strength increases to report

squat - Final set up from 335 for 3 to 365 for 3
close grip bench - Final set up from 285 for 3 to 315 for 3 !!!

the increase in weight is impressive. nice work.

are you noticing any side effects?

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
Day 10

Today is a rest day for me. Yesterday I weighed in at 269. I am up 3 pounds now so the water weight is starting to come on.

I had an excellent workout and have strength increases to report

squat - Final set up from 335 for 3 to 365 for 3
close grip bench - Final set up from 285 for 3 to 315 for 3 !!!

No Mercy,

out of curiosity, how far apart are your hands when performing close grip? i am curious because when i was lifting "heavier" my wrist would get prety sore as soon as i hit 250 lbs on that exercise.

i have also noticed strength increases, but was skeptical as to whether or not it was from the compound, or if the gains would have occurred naturally, always tough to determine. anyways, i have noticed some water retention as previously mentioned.

hope all is well w/everyone...

GUNZ

[CYN1C]

Do any testers have permission to up the dosage???

I have a feeling that 30mg per day will work well but i think 40 - 45mg per day would be better...

I am not sure can someone please let me know.

Thanks


The Cynic


PS - Havent been keeping up to date on the boards due to some problems... I am writing my log on microsoft word... it is quite detailed... I am up to day 3, today and will post my results per week.

Is that okay?, let me know sledge

Peace

:)

PPS

Congratulations NO MERCY, gains are looking good :) Well done!

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by buddha
dayum, 30 lbs in 10 days!? very impressive you freak!

Thank you

The close grip bench felt great. My 10 set and 8 set went well so I bumped up the weight for my 6 set and final set. I was surprised myself. Hopefully, the strength increases as I continue to put on water and mass.

I am impressed with the squat increase also but not as impressed as I am with the close grip bench. I feel my original numbers for the squat may have been on the lower side as I have not been pushing myself to go as heavy as I am capable of doing.

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by ke0
the increase in weight is impressive. nice work.

are you noticing any side effects?

Just an increase an acne is what I am noticing for sides



CYN1C I would ask Sldge permission to increase the dose. Thats what I did. I am thinking 40mgs may be a good dose for someone my size and with my past experience with Ph's and 1test. Only time will tell.


GUNZ my hands are about 6 inches apart from thumb to thumb if that makes sense brother. My wrist used to bother me also but as I continued to build strength in them the pain ceased. You may also be keeping your hands to close together.

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

i have since moved to approx. the same distance as you with hands for close grips, and heve less pain...i was just wondering if you performed them super close this would be with regards to wrist durability.

[zall]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
Thank you

The close grip bench felt great. My 10 set and 8 set went well so I bumped up the weight for my 6 set and final set. I was surprised myself. Hopefully, the strength increases as I continue to put on water and mass.

I am impressed with the squat increase also but not as impressed as I am with the close grip bench. I feel my original numbers for the squat may have been on the lower side as I have not been pushing myself to go as heavy as I am capable of doing.

Mercy,

Do You have trouble because of your height?

Am only 6' and I have trouble going really low and heavy, I feel an alarming amount of pressure on the knees at parrallel,

Also when Dead Lifting I don't feel totally happy, so I don't go as heavy as I could,

Good gains BTW

Good Luck, and To Gunz also

[CYN1C]

Originally posted by zall
Mercy,

Do You have trouble because of your height?

Am only 6' and I have trouble going really low and heavy, I feel an alarming amount of pressure on the knees at parrallel,

Also when Dead Lifting I don't feel totally happy, so I don't go as heavy as I could,

Good gains BTW

Good Luck, and To Gunz also

Bump bro, It Sucks...

Thanks NO MERCY for the advice... ofcorse i would ask sledg's permission... Thanks man :)

Peace

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

Originally posted by zall
Mercy,

Do You have trouble because of your height?

Am only 6' and I have trouble going really low and heavy, I feel an alarming amount of pressure on the knees at parrallel,

Also when Dead Lifting I don't feel totally happy, so I don't go as heavy as I could,

Good gains BTW

Good Luck, and To Gunz also

at 6'3" squats for me are a bit tricky when i get upto 365/405. i will and still do them however, i feel with proper foot placement, i can eleviate much of the pressure from my knees. deadlifting has never been a problem on the other hand.

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by zall
Mercy,

Do You have trouble because of your height?

Am only 6' and I have trouble going really low and heavy, I feel an alarming amount of pressure on the knees at parrallel,

Also when Dead Lifting I don't feel totally happy, so I don't go as heavy as I could,

Good gains BTW

Good Luck, and To Gunz also

Well first off my form is perfect. I go very low and slow so that keeps the weight low.

In addition, to be completely honest I have never really practiced going really heavy. Therefore, my squats are on the lighter side compared to others.

[zall]

Originally posted by GUNZOFNAVARONE
at 6'3" squats for me are a bit tricky when i get upto 365/405. i will and still do them however, i feel with proper foot placement, i can eleviate much of the pressure from my knees. deadlifting has never been a problem on the other hand.

Originally posted by NO MERCY
Well first off my form is perfect. I go very low and slow so that keeps the weight low.

In addition, to be completely honest I have never really practiced going really heavy. Therefore, my squats are on the lighter side compared to others.

Cool,

I have experimented with foot placement it did help a little, I never have joint pain when squatting, lets just say I am more aware of my knees, but as you say its just gotta be done,

My form is also spot on, I have had a hernia in the past see, so I am very aware of my form, I have been worried about pushing the envolope when it comes to squats and deads,

I biggest squat to date has been 160Kg for 4, and that has only been done on my current M1T cycle, it was approx 140kg before that, my max Dead is a puny 80Kg for 4, :(

Anyway keep us posted,

[NO MERCY]

Day 11

Strength increase to report

Bench press - Final set was up a rep. Was getting 335 for 3. Today I got it for 4.

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

NM - congrats on the bench increase, i have some strength increase to report...i have been negligent to a certain degree, my strength has noticeably increased...my workouts have become quite intense, i am completing my typical workout (45-50 min) in 28-35 min. for those of you who have done something like this before, you know it can be tough to use the same weight...

well, my lifts have all gone up considerably...since i am using a slightly different rep scheme and rest period, giving exact numbers may be misleading, but i'll give a few examples.

prior to the start of methyl1,4 add, my military was pretty weak (delts are by far weakest bodypart), i would do 135-145 on the military press, and 65s to 70s with dbs after...now, i am using 165 on the military and 80s afterwards...with 45-55 sec rest between sets.

my bench, went from doing sets of 225lbs 8-12 reps, to 285/6 reps, 295/5 reps, 305/5 reps.

in summation, strength is definetly gone up, oh yeah, i am also doing cardio and only consuming 2000 cals a day...my weight fluctuates between 248-252 lbs.

got the new tester, thanks sledge.

GUNZ

[scott_donald]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
Day 11

Strength increase to report

Bench press - Final set was up a rep. Was getting 335 for 3. Today I got it for 4.

i am always dubious to put that down to the ph... how do you know you wont have done that without the ph.... only one rep but a bigger increase would have been better...

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

Originally posted by scott_donald
i am always dubious to put that down to the ph... how do you know you wont have done that without the ph.... only one rep but a bigger increase would have been better...

i totally agree, however, there is a HUGE difference in performing work sets with 225 lbs, than 295 lbs (with the added bonus of approx 40 sec. rest :)), i have to make a judgement call on this, because i agree, it is VERY difficult to attribute something specifically to a ph, unless you are in a totally controlled environment, you have undoubtedly read posts of mine where i have stated that over and over.

i am simply giving feed back, which is what i was asked to do.

i am an idiot scott, i thought your reply was to me, oh well, i'll wait a few secs. for some wise ass remark :), i'm sure it is comin'

[scott_donald]

Originally posted by GUNZOFNAVARONE


i am simply giving feed back, which is what i was asked to do.

agreed... but a good thing i seem to find on last cycle every time i lifted i inceased... with m1t adn that was due to the ph... but small increases cannot be put down to it... i will be doin the same thing for my masterdrol... if i ever get my 6oxo.... from a brittish site that i paid for 3-4 delivery 3 weeks ago.... getting annoyed....

[ke0]

Originally posted by GUNZOFNAVARONE
NM - congrats on the bench increase, i have some strength increase to report...i have been negligent to a certain degree, my strength has noticeably increased...my workouts have become quite intense, i am completing my typical workout (45-50 min) in 28-35 min. for those of you who have done something like this before, you know it can be tough to use the same weight...

well, my lifts have all gone up considerably...since i am using a slightly different rep scheme and rest period, giving exact numbers may be misleading, but i'll give a few examples.

prior to the start of methyl1,4 add, my military was pretty weak (delts are by far weakest bodypart), i would do 135-145 on the military press, and 65s to 70s with dbs after...now, i am using 165 on the military and 80s afterwards...with 45-55 sec rest between sets.

my bench, went from doing sets of 225lbs 8-12 reps, to 285/6 reps, 295/5 reps, 305/5 reps.

in summation, strength is definetly gone up, oh yeah, i am also doing cardio and only consuming 2000 cals a day...my weight fluctuates between 248-252 lbs.

got the new tester, thanks sledge.

GUNZ

way to go man. this is the kinda stuff i like to hear. i am all about huge strength increases and putting up massive weights.

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

Originally posted by ke0
way to go man. this is the kinda stuff i like to hear. i am all about huge strength increases and putting up massive weights.

maybe someday i will eventually reach "massive" weights :)

[ke0]

Originally posted by GUNZOFNAVARONE
maybe someday i will eventually reach "massive" weights :)

305 for 5 on bench is pretty massive imo :) then again i only weigh 190 lbs.

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by scott_donald
i am always dubious to put that down to the ph... how do you know you wont have done that without the ph.... only one rep but a bigger increase would have been better...

I agree Scott. That may very well be the case. I will closely monitor my strength and see if it continues to climb

GUNZ thank you. Congrats to you as well.

[NO MERCY]

Day 12

Weight holding at 269

No strength increases to report from today's workout

Sat and Sun are rest days.

[zall]

Nice One :)

Those are some good numbers boys!

Keep posting :D

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

well, i fell asleep at 2 am this morning, woke up at 4:50 am to go to the gym.

felt tired, and thought i would be pretty weak as i need my sleep.

did chest/tris today, got 275 lbs/4 sets of 4
225 lbs on the incline for 4 sets of 225 at 4 reps each
dips w/bodyweight, 3 sets at 10
closegrip bench 3 sets of 225 at 5 reps
rev, press downs 3 sets of the stack at 10 reps
vbar - same

al the exercises were pretty easy, i kept the weight low as to not force myself into a potentially dangerous situation as i was not as mentally focused as usual.

i'd rate this as a solid workout for only having 3 hours sleep.

weight is right around 250 lbs.

[Sldgehmr]

How do you guys like it so far?

[sawastea]

J-fresh,

This is one heck of a thread. I like how you're responding to everyone's comment in detail. That makes for easier reading as well as less questions due to the effective responses. Keep it up big'un and congrats on your results :)

[zall]

Q to both of you,

I know its bit personal and you dont need to answer but..

How are your balls for size right now?

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

Originally posted by zall
Q to both of you,

I know its bit personal and you dont need to answer but..

How are your balls for size right now?

don't beat around the bush, what do you really want to know :)?

No smaller than when i have been on 1test.

[zall]

Originally posted by GUNZOFNAVARONE
don't beat around the bush, what do you really want to know :)?

No smaller than when i have been on 1test.

:)

Ok so a lot smaller than normal right?

[ke0]

Originally posted by zall
Q to both of you,

I know its bit personal and you dont need to answer but..

How are your balls for size right now?

this question belongs in the sex forum :D

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

Originally posted by zall
:)

Ok so a lot smaller than normal right?

you are correct

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by Sldgehmr
How do you guys like it so far?

So far so good. However, I would like to see more strength increases. I recently upped the dose on Sat and feel this should help. I will be training later so I will post my results.

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by zall
Q to both of you,

I know its bit personal and you dont need to answer but..

How are your balls for size right now?

So far so good

Libido is through the roof right now

[Sixpack]

How much u taking NM Sledge I think is sending me the tabs etc
insteado the dropplets
Sixpack

[ke0]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
So far so good

Libido is through the roof right now

that is good to hear. m1t absolutely destroyed my libido and i hated it.

[NO MERCY]

Day 15

Starting last Sat I bumped my dose up to 50mgs per day. Now keep in mind that this dose is prob not necessary for smaller individuals. I weighed in before my work and came in at 271 . Up 5 pounds from when I started. Today's work out was great. The pumps were incredible and my strength was up on many exercises.

Bench press- was 335 for 3. Today I was feeling well so I bumped my 6 set up by 10 pounds. My last set was 255 for 4. This is an increase of 20 pounds plus an extra rep. Let the fun begin!!

[Deoudes59]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
Let the fun begin!!

HAHA good stuff :)

[zall]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
Day 15

Starting last Sat I bumped my dose up to 50mgs per day. Now keep in mind that this dose is prob not necessary for smaller individuals. I weighed in before my work and came in at 271 . Up 5 pounds from when I started. Today's work out was great. The pumps were incredible and my strength was up on many exercises.

Bench press- was 335 for 3. Today I was feeling well so I bumped my 6 set up by 10 pounds. My last set was 255 for 4. This is an increase of 20 pounds plus an extra rep. Let the fun begin!!

*Tim Allen Grunt*

:D sounds like its taking hold, good stuff

[scott_donald]

GOood to see no mercy... but i am still bench more but not for much longer it seems...

[NO MERCY]

Day 16

Weighed in at the same weight 271

Yesterday's workout was incredible. Strength is up on many lifts and the pumps are incredible. I did the standing military press (down to eye level in the front) and the weight remains the same 195 for 3. However, I decided to add some volume to help increase size and did another set. I was able to get 225 for 2 which I was impressed with. My close grip bench press strength seems to be increasing at a very accelarated rate. I was able to get 325 for 2. This prob means my bench press strength will be up again this Thursday.

Day 17

Rest day today

[scott_donald]

no mercy you have lost over 100lbs i am worried...

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

rest day here as well, strength has improved, weight is down to 245 lbs. i will take an increase in strength and reduction in BF anyday. It has taken a while to really notice anything, but i feel like the ssecond half of the cycle will be very intersting.


Pretty significant weight loss NM, stomach staple? :D

[ke0]

Originally posted by scott_donald
no mercy you have lost over 100lbs i am worried...

lol, hope that was a typo

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by ke0
lol, hope that was a typo


ooops ya sorry fellas

[NO MERCY]

Day 18

Weight 272 - up a total of 6 pounds in 18 days.

The pumps were incredible in the gym today. In addition, the mirror is showing me good things. What is strange is that m1,4add is a precursor to dbol. However, I do not have a bloated look. My muscles appear to be full and hard as if I am using a compound that does not aromatize. Strength is going through the roof. I increased the weight on my 6 set and final set. My final set I was able to get 360 for 4. This is up from 335 for 3. I felt good so I did 385 for 1 and then 405 for 1.

As far as sides go I have an increase in acne and increase in blood pressure.

If gains continue to progress m1,4add may be one of my favorite legal compounds.

[McBurly]

how do you rate this compound to m1t? (if i remember correctly you did m1t a while ago)

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by McBurly
how do you rate this compound to m1t? (if i remember correctly you did m1t a while ago)

That is correct. However, I ran the M1T with a 4ad transdermal. I think as far as what your goals are each compound has its advantages. For example, with m1,4add my appetite has increased which is good for bulking. However, my appetite was supressed with the M1T. If I use M1T again I will only use it when cutting to take full advantage of the appetite supression.

[scott_donald]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
That is correct. However, I ran the M1T with a 4ad transdermal. I think as far as what your goals are each compound has its advantages. For example, with m1,4add my appetite has increased which is good for bulking. However, my appetite was supressed with the M1T. If I use M1T again I will only use it when cutting to take full advantage of the appetite supression.

ye i did find the little bit of appetite surpression... but i found it easy just to eat... as you knew you had too.... as in the 6lbs compared to the what from the m1t and 4ad...

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
Day 18

Weight 272 - up a total of 6 pounds in 18 days.

The pumps were incredible in the gym today. In addition, the mirror is showing me good things. What is strange is that m1,4add is a precursor to dbol. However, I do not have a bloated look. My muscles appear to be full and hard as if I am using a compound that does not aromatize. Strength is going through the roof. I increased the weight on my 6 set and final set. My final set I was able to get 360 for 4. This is up from 335 for 3. I felt good so I did 385 for 1 and then 405 for 1.

As far as sides go I have an increase in acne and increase in blood pressure.

If gains continue to progress m1,4add may be one of my favorite legal compounds.

I have to agree with NM on this possibly being a favorite compound. This morning in the gym, all my lifts were up, with regards to weight and reps (this is pretty amazing seeing how i am doing cardio and have cut back on some calories!) i have not had any acne, my blood pressure is still lower than most others would consider normal. My weight is 248 lbs. So i have lost a few during this cycle while increasing strength. i look a hell of a lot bigger now than i did at 253. i can tell by looking at myself that there has been some change between my lbm and BF% as my BF% has gone down (since i generally store most fat in my midsection, i can tell a difference when my serratus becomes visible, which it is now). should be an interesting last few days here.

[scott_donald]

Originally posted by GUNZOFNAVARONE
I have to agree with NM on this possibly being a favorite compound. This morning in the gym, all my lifts were up, with regards to weight and reps (this is pretty amazing seeing how i am doing cardio and have cut back on some calories!) i have not had any acne, my blood pressure is still lower than most others would consider normal. My weight is 248 lbs. So i have lost a few during this cycle while increasing strength. i look a hell of a lot bigger now than i did at 253. i can tell by looking at myself that there has been some change between my lbm and BF% as my BF% has gone down (since i generally store most fat in my midsection, i can tell a difference when my serratus becomes visible, which it is now). should be an interesting last few days here.


good to see how long left....

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

about 12

[scott_donald]

Originally posted by GUNZOFNAVARONE
about 12

so plenty time for more to come...

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

Originally posted by scott_donald
so plenty time for more to come...

indeed :D

[zall]

good stuff,

Its nice you here you guys are still looking hard,

Less water meaning more keepable gains,

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by scott_donald
ye i did find the little bit of appetite surpression... but i found it easy just to eat... as you knew you had too.... as in the 6lbs compared to the what from the m1t and 4ad...

The 6 pound increase is the increase I have had since starting m1,4add

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by zall
good stuff,

Its nice you here you guys are still looking hard,

Less water meaning more keepable gains,

I am fairly confident that the 6 lbs increase is prob mostly or all water weight. However, due to my appearance I am speculating that most of the water is in the muscle cells rather than under the skin (which is very strange as m1,4add is a precursor to dbol). In past experiences with androgens I always seem to first put on some water weight, then the strength comes on, and lastly LBM gains occur. I need a good 5 weeks or so to really start putting on LBM. Unlike others who experience explosive gains my body seems to respond to androgens by slowly putting on LBM. I am considering extending this cycle a week and going 5 weeks. I feel I will greatly benefit from the additional week.

[scott_donald]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
The 6 pound increase is the increase I have had since starting m1,4add

ye but how much did you have on m1t...

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by scott_donald
ye but how much did you have on m1t...

Overall, from M1T and 4AD I gained 10lbs in 4 weeks and kept 4 post cycle.

[scott_donald]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
Overall, from M1T and 4AD I gained 10lbs in 4 weeks and kept 4 post cycle.

only four i kept 8 from my last one after 15 days... but you are bigger...

[lakevillethor]

Originally posted by scott_donald
only four i kept 8 from my last one after 15 days... but you are bigger...

As I mentioned previously, you are weird. it is difficult to keep most of the gians when you are only on a compound for 2 weeks. Product X rocks!
-AT

[scott_donald]

Originally posted by lakevillethor
As I mentioned previously, you are weird. it is difficult to keep most of the gians when you are only on a compound for 2 weeks. Product X rocks!
-AT

i am special you mean... see how i go on 4 weeks of masterdrol...

how long into product x....

[lakevillethor]

Originally posted by scott_donald
i am special you mean... see how i go on 4 weeks of masterdrol...

how long into product x....

I will be waiting to hear how you do on 4 weeks of masterdrol. I personally would not touch the ****. 2 weeks into X...yes, you are special.
-AT

[scott_donald]

Originally posted by lakevillethor
I will be waiting to hear how you do on 4 weeks of masterdrol. I personally would not touch the ****. 2 weeks into X...yes, you are special.
-AT

why not touch it...

[lakevillethor]

Originally posted by scott_donald
why not touch it...

I like my prostate the way it is. I have serious problems with my prostate on 1-test products -- I can feel this stabbing pain in it when I take a piss after ejaculation. I don't want to know how bad it would be on this ****.
-AT

[scott_donald]

Originally posted by lakevillethor
I like my prostate the way it is. I have serious problems with my prostate on 1-test products -- I can feel this stabbing pain in it when I take a piss after ejaculation. I don't want to know how bad it would be on this ****.
-AT

fair enough... so after product x what for you then...

[lakevillethor]

Originally posted by scott_donald
fair enough... so after product x what for you then...

methyldien + test cypionate.
-AT

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by scott_donald
only four i kept 8 from my last one after 15 days... but you are bigger...

From past experience with legal compounds I believe most of the 6 pounds lost was water weight from 4ad.

[NO MERCY]

Day 19

Excellent workout today. I finished up the squat at 385 for 3.

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
Day 19

Excellent workout today. I finished up the squat at 385 for 3.

its about time you put some weight on that bar...:D hope all is well NM, great job!

[scott_donald]

Originally posted by GUNZOFNAVARONE
its about time you put some weight on that bar...:D hope all is well NM, great job!

i know i would be about 200 lbs ahead of that... but i am a pusher not a puller....

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by GUNZOFNAVARONE
its about time you put some weight on that bar...:D hope all is well NM, great job!


HAHAH ya I know I am trying. I was never big on heavy squats but I am working on it.

Thanks for the support GUNZ

[scott_donald]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
HAHAH ya I know I am trying. I was never big on heavy squats but I am working on it.

Thanks for the support GUNZ

hey i wanted you to comment on my statement... looked at he link i gave you on legalgear....

[kov951]

Have any of you experienced major facial bloat from the methyl-1,4 yet? If so can you compare is severity to somthing else?

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by scott_donald
hey i wanted you to comment on my statement... looked at he link i gave you on legalgear....

OK

[NO MERCY]

Start of Week 4 - Day 22

Yesterday I weighed in at 271. Up 5 pounds from the start. I wish I was putting on more weight as I have been eating a great deal and training hard. However, I find it very difficult to put on weight at my size even with the use of legal compounds. If I am able to put on 5 more pounds in the next 2 weeks I would be satisfied.

Strength is excellent right now.

Bench - up to 265 for 4 from 235 for 3. I felt good so I went for 410 for one and got it

Wide grip pull downs - up to 270 for 3 from 260 for 3.

Pumps in the gym were great. Especially in the biceps

[Lean One]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
Start of Week 4 - Day 22

Yesterday I weighed in at 271. Up 5 pounds from the start. I wish I was putting on more weight as I have been eating a great deal and training hard. However, I find it very difficult to put on weight at my size even with the use of legal compounds. If I am able to put on 5 more pounds in the next 2 weeks I would be satisfied.

Strength is excellent right now.

Bench - up to 265 for 4 from 235 for 3. I felt good so I went for 410 for one and got it

Wide grip pull downs - up to 270 for 3 from 260 for 3.

Pumps in the gym were great. Especially in the biceps Sounds good man. Are you still running 50mg? I ask because I started my cycle yesterday at 50mg. Given that I'm a good 100lbs lighter than you, I'm expecting BIG things. :)

[min]

Originally posted by Lean One
Sounds good man. Are you still running 50mg? I ask because I started my cycle yesterday at 50mg. Given that I'm a good 100lbs lighter than you, I'm expecting BIG things. :)

Thats crazy,man...30mg should do the job.I'm 180 and I'll start w/30mg.

[Lean One]

Originally posted by min
Thats crazy,man...30mg should do the job.I'm 180 and I'll start w/30mg. To each his own. Good luck. I'll let you know if I get gyno. Remember, this is a diol. any unconverted portion is not estrogenic. It's not like you are taking a full dose of D-BOL.

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by min
Thats crazy,man...30mg should do the job.I'm 180 and I'll start w/30mg.

30mgs is not enough for me. I have past experience with legal compounds and I am 270 pounds.

[min]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
30mgs is not enough for me. I have past experience with legal compounds and I am 270 pounds.

I know you are a big guy NM,I mean BIG.I was reffering to LeanOne,cause he said he is 100lbs.less.But like you said LeanOne "each his own".Good luck

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by min
I know you are a big guy NM,I mean BIG.I was reffering to LeanOne,cause he said he is 100lbs.less.But like you said LeanOne "each his own".Good luck

ahhh got cha

I think 30mgs for someone 170 is a good starting point. Its hard to tell right now as the compound has not been available for a very long time.

Best of luck Lean one

[min]

NM what are you taking for protection?NAC,Saw Palmetto,Hawthorn Berry?

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by min
NM what are you taking for protection?NAC,Saw Palmetto,Hawthorn Berry?

Saw Palmetto and Milk thistle POST cycle

[min]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
Saw Palmetto and Milk thistle POST cycle

Is it so mild that you don't need anything else?(during the cycle)

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by min
Is it so mild that you don't need anything else?(during the cycle)

It would not hurt to use some Hawthorne berry or Coq10 on cycle.

[min]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
It would not hurt to use some Hawthorne berry or Coq10 on cycle.

thats what I'll do.I'll just order it w/my nolva.

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by min
thats what I'll do.I'll just order it w/my nolva.

Sounds good

[GhostfaceKillah]

Good to see it's working out for you guys. Speaking of COQ10 and HB, this is an excellent product. Expensive, but 180 pills of 100 mg COQ10/400 mg HB will get you through several cycles.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/cohaw.html

[min]

Originally posted by GhostfaceKillah
Good to see it's working out for you guys. Speaking of COQ10 and HB, this is an excellent product. Expensive, but 180 pills of 100 mg COQ10/400 mg HB will get you through several cycles.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/cohaw.html

Actually I just got 100caps/550mg for $12 @ the same place where I bought my nolva.Didn't have to pay for shipping twice :D

[GhostfaceKillah]

Originally posted by min
Actually I just got 100caps/550mg for $12 @ the same place where I bought my nolva.Didn't have to pay for shipping twice :D
Yes, Hawthorn Berry is cheap. COQ10 can break the bank at high doses.

[min]

Originally posted by GhostfaceKillah
Yes, Hawthorn Berry is cheap. COQ10 can break the bank at high doses.

Whichever will get the job done the cheapest :D

[Lean One]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
ahhh got cha

I think 30mgs for someone 170 is a good starting point. Its hard to tell right now as the compound has not been available for a very long time.

Best of luck Lean one Thanks. I'm not worried at all. I have plenty of nolva if needed. Somebody has to see what slightly higher doses will do. So far nobody has reported any gyno symptoms. Only some bloat in a few people. Water retention and gyno are two diferent things.

[NO MERCY]

Day 23

Good workout. Squat is still at 385 for 3.

Weight again is the same. I have decided to increase the dose to 60mgs starting tomorrow. I hope to be able to put on a few more pounds before the cycle is complete.


Day 24

Tomorrow is rest day.

[scott_donald]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
Day 23

Good workout. Squat is still at 385 for 3.

Weight again is the same. I have decided to increase the dose to 60mgs starting tomorrow. I hope to be able to put on a few more pounds before the cycle is complete.


Day 24

Tomorrow is rest day.


sounds good that gettina alot of the stuff in you now.... what are your main sides now....

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by scott_donald
sounds good that gettina alot of the stuff in you now.... what are your main sides now....

Noticable side - acne

[Dedicated1]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
Noticable side - acne

Acne is cool, plus chicks dig it.

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by Dedicated1
Acne is cool, plus chicks dig it.

HAHA ya not the most attractive thing. Oh well Im married I have no one to impress any more. :D

[Dedicated1]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
HAHA ya not the most attractive thing. Oh well Im married I have no one to impress any more. :D

Now your wife can get out a pen and play connect the dots.

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by Dedicated1
Now your wife can get out a pen and play connect the dots.

Im sure she will love that.

[scott_donald]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
Im sure she will love that.

wonder what will be seen in the end probably... buy legalgear...

[Workin2005]

No mercy, how long do you plan to run your cycle. Your just coming up on 4 weeks (28 days) and your just upping your dose to 60mg. Are you going to go another 2 weeks at this dose?
Im about 1.5 weeks into my cycle, Im running 35mg per day and just upping it today to 40mg. Noticing some acne as well.
I am wondering if I should run this for 4 or six weeks total. It sounds like 6 may be more benifical to max out the gain this product offers without stopping to soon and not benifiting totally.
I also have a ton of m1t liquid. I thought of running 20-30mg of m1-4add per day for the last 2 weeks of the 6 week cycle but adding 5mg of m1t per day during these last 2 weeks.
I know I addressed and asked you and others opinion on this before, however after your experince now with m1-4add, what do you think?
Great thread by the way!

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by rjet
No mercy, how long do you plan to run your cycle. Your just coming up on 4 weeks (28 days) and your just upping your dose to 60mg. Are you going to go another 2 weeks at this dose?
Im about 1.5 weeks into my cycle, Im running 35mg per day and just upping it today to 40mg. Noticing some acne as well.
I am wondering if I should run this for 4 or six weeks total. It sounds like 6 may be more benifical to max out the gain this product offers without stopping to soon and not benifiting totally.
I also have a ton of m1t liquid. I thought of running 20-30mg of m1-4add per day for the last 2 weeks of the 6 week cycle but adding 5mg of m1t per day during these last 2 weeks.
I know I addressed and asked you and others opinion on this before, however after your experince now with m1-4add, what do you think?
Great thread by the way!

Thank you for the compliment

Yes I plan on running this cycle a total of 5 weeks possibly 6.

You may also want to consider running the cycle 6 weeks. For me the strength increases took a solid 2 weeks. 6 weeks may be more benefitial. According to some of the blood work back on m1,4add the compound does not seem to be to harsh on the liver. However, I still would not recommend running m1,4add for more than 6 weeks. Of course following up with Milk thistle is also recommended.

As far as adding 5mgs of m1t goes I think it can be done. I would not go much higher on the M1T though as the compound has the potential to be harsh on the liver. However, it is not a good idea to get 'use to' or get into the habit of stacking 17aa compounds. You prob should be ok to do it a couple times but over time sides may catch up to you. For the most part I discourage all oral cycles.

[buddha]

Originally posted by rjet
No mercy, how long do you plan to run your cycle. Your just coming up on 4 weeks (28 days) and your just upping your dose to 60mg. Are you going to go another 2 weeks at this dose?
Im about 1.5 weeks into my cycle, Im running 35mg per day and just upping it today to 40mg. Noticing some acne as well.
I am wondering if I should run this for 4 or six weeks total. It sounds like 6 may be more benifical to max out the gain this product offers without stopping to soon and not benifiting totally.
I also have a ton of m1t liquid. I thought of running 20-30mg of m1-4add per day for the last 2 weeks of the 6 week cycle but adding 5mg of m1t per day during these last 2 weeks.
I know I addressed and asked you and others opinion on this before, however after your experince now with m1-4add, what do you think?
Great thread by the way!

imo, follow the advice we gave you in your other post about stacking these, and just save the m1t for a later cycle. it seems people are wanting to do too much too soon now.

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

4 days left...so far so good, strength has gone up noticeably, i have been experiencing some minor shoulder pain lately, no real increase in acne (i may have had a zit in the last 12 days or so), my blood pressure has remained normal (low), i have been right around 2000 calories the past 4 weeks, with cardio, and my weight remains 247 lbs. i wonder how much water weight i'll lose, i am not that bloated or holding that much water (at least it is not obvious). i have not lost any hair (moreso than normal :))

i would recommend this product, and would like to thanks sledge and his compnay.

i will either be taking m-dien, or m1t on the next cycle.

i'll be pct for the next 4 weeks, will try the nolva/oxo combo.

GUNZ

[Deoudes59]

In terms of Body Composition changes, is it as dramatic as M1T? I went up 10lbs in 2 weeks and was definitily leaner (even while stacking with 4-ad)

[Workin2005]

thanks for the imput guys! I'll keep you all posted.
If anyone else has any thoughts please let me know.

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

Originally posted by Deoudes59
In terms of Body Composition changes, is it as dramatic as M1T? I went up 10lbs in 2 weeks and was definitily leaner (even while stacking with 4-ad)

i cannot compare to m1t, as i signed up for the m14addiol test as the m1t craze really hit and have not had the opportunity to try m1t.

i can tell you this however, i am one jacked bitch! :D

[Deoudes59]

gunz - can you compare the strength (strickly strength) increases to M5aa?

[scott_donald]

Originally posted by Deoudes59
gunz - can you compare the strength (strickly strength) increases to M5aa?

how can he do that either without trying that...

[Dedicated1]

Originally posted by GUNZOFNAVARONE
i am one jacked bitch! :D

.....and that is a good thing. :)

[BassMuscle]

I have a question for you gunz.

Do you think you con use 1,4Add in a stack with Clen/T3 for

cutting?


thankx in advance.

BM

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by GUNZOFNAVARONE


i'll be pct for the next 4 weeks, will try the nolva/oxo combo.

GUNZ

Sounds good. Keep us posted on how that goes.

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by Deoudes59
In terms of Body Composition changes, is it as dramatic as M1T? I went up 10lbs in 2 weeks and was definitily leaner (even while stacking with 4-ad)

Overall the mirror is showing good things. What I am surprised by is the fact that I do not appear bloated. I appear hard as if I am using a compound that does NOT aromatize.

[Dedicated1]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
a compound that does NOT aromatize.

Did you throw that in there for me? :)

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by Dedicated1
Did you throw that in there for me? :)

hahaha just for you Dedicated ;) :)

[Dedicated1]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
hahaha just for you Dedicated ;) :)

Oh the love here today.

[Deoudes59]

Originally posted by scott_donald
how can he do that either without trying that...

thought he did my mistake

[NO MERCY]

I got a bloody nose today at work. I will have to closely monitor my blood pressure. I am not to concerned as in the past a bloody nose or two has occurred when using PH's or 1test.

[Aeternal]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
I got a bloody nose today at work. I will have to closely monitor my blood pressure. I am not to concerned as in the past a bloody nose or two has occurred when using PH's or 1test.

Thats embarrassing. I used to sell high end plasma tv's and audio equipment and one time when making a sale the customer started looking at me funny. Then my nose just started gushing with blood. He told my boss that he thinks that I had a cocaine problem, but it was probably just the 1-ad.....Ironically my boss has the coke problem and was probably high when the customer complained to him.

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by Aeternal
He told my boss that he thinks that I had a cocaine problem, but it was probably just the 1-ad.....Ironically my boss has the coke problem and was probably high when the customer complained to him.


Hahahah Thats to funny

Ya it was a little embarrassing but not many people saw and it was just a very very minor nose bleed. Literally stopped bleeding in 5 seconds with pressure.

[BassMuscle]

Originally posted by BassMuscle
I have a question for you gunz.

Do you think you con use 1,4Add in a stack with Clen/T3 for

cutting?


thankx in advance.

BM

Bump. Any input on this?

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

Originally posted by BassMuscle
Bump. Any input on this?

i plead ignorance to this one, i don't know about that stack.

mercy, you gotta stop picking your nose, or cut those finger nails :D

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by BassMuscle
Bump. Any input on this?

I can give some info on this. This is debatable but from what I have read and researched it would prob be best to use the m1,4add then use the clen after.

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by GUNZOFNAVARONE


mercy, you gotta stop picking your nose, or cut those finger nails :D

I will see what I can do big dog :D

[NO MERCY]

Day 25

Weighed in at 275. That is an increase of 9 pounds since the start of the cycle.

I benched 375 for 3 today. That is an increase of 40 pounds

I did wide grip pull downs and was able to get 270 for 4. That is an increase of 10 pounds and a rep.

[scott_donald]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
Day 25

Weighed in at 275. That is an increase of 9 pounds since the start of the cycle.

I benched 375 for 3 today. That is an increase of 40 pounds

I did wide grip pull downs and was able to get 270 for 4. That is an increase of 10 pounds and a rep.

awesome... good goin.. very impressed with the bench...

[NO MERCY]

Thank you very much Scott

[Deoudes59]

I don't want to highjack the thread, but would 19nor go well with M1,4add... or better with M5aa? (and should the stacks include 4-ad?)

[LIFT2beHUGE]

I am also considering stacking 19 nor with m5aa or m1t-
On another note congrats guys on your gains, and good job with your bench NO MERCY.

[McBurly]

I doubt you'll need to stack 19nor with that, it sounds like a potent enough compound by itself

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

here are some comparisons with regards to the lifts i was monitoring;

Miltary Press - was 145lbs for 8, now 165-70 for 8
BB Row - was 275 now 315-20 for 6-8
Bench - was 245 for 8 now 305 for 6-8
Close Grip - was 185 now 225 for 6-8

*rest time has also been reduced fro 90-120 sec, to 30-45 sec between sets.

i have also been in a calorie deficit, cycling carbs, and doing cardio. it was pretty cool to be in that stae and watch strength increase. i have lost bodyfat as well. hmm, losing fat, gaining strength, i like that.

i have to say that higher dosages are probably more effective with this compound for larger individuals.

[scott_donald]

Originally posted by GUNZOFNAVARONE
here are some comparisons with regards to the lifts i was monitoring;

Miltary Press - was 145lbs for 8, now 165-70 for 8
BB Row - was 275 now 315-20 for 6-8
Bench - was 245 for 8 now 305 for 6-8
Close Grip - was 185 now 225 for 6-8

*rest time has also been reduced fro 90-120 sec, to 30-45 sec between sets.

i have also been in a calorie deficit, cycling carbs, and doing cardio. it was pretty cool to be in that stae and watch strength increase. i have lost bodyfat as well. hmm, losing fat, gaining strength, i like that.

i have to say that higher dosages are probably more effective with this compound for larger individuals.

mmm... so just a little increase in strength there then... so impressive... the rows are out of this world... shows how bad my back is when i bench more than you but no where near that for back... definately like the results for you there...

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

Originally posted by scott_donald
mmm... so just a little increase in strength there then... so impressive... the rows are out of this world... shows how bad my back is when i bench more than you but no where near that for back... definately like the results for you there...

maybe its the 500 lb deadlifts for 6 reps, 3 sets i was doing in the fall that gave me my back strength, even with deads, my back has been strong from the get go, it is a bit strange though as i'm so tall for deads to be easy, stopped doing them because adding/removing that much weight really stretches out the time of my workouts

[scott_donald]

Originally posted by GUNZOFNAVARONE
maybe its the 500 lb deadlifts for 6 reps, 3 sets i was doing in the fall that gave me my back strength, even with deads, my back has been strong from the get go, it is a bit strange though as i'm so tall for deads to be easy, stopped doing them because adding/removing that much weight really stretches out the time of my workouts

hey thats so impressive as well... ye deads rule... so i wonder if you will do this cycle again...

[GUNZOFNAVARONE]

Originally posted by scott_donald
hey thats so impressive as well... ye deads rule... so i wonder if you will do this cycle again...

i have mdien and m1t, might try those first...i am consistantly stocking up on various compounds, for a rainy day that is

[ronmolina]

<i have mdien and m1t, might try those first...i am consistantly stocking up on various compounds, for a rainy day that is>

GUNZOFNAVARONE you sound like me. LOL!

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by LIFT2beHUGE
I am also considering stacking 19 nor with m5aa or m1t-
On another note congrats guys on your gains, and good job with your bench NO MERCY.

Thanks

btw Nordiol with M1t would be a good stack but you may lose your libido. Nordiol and M5aa also may be a good stack for bulk and strength gains.

[BAD_MO_FO]

NO MERCEY, very inpressive strength gains, did you gain more strength on this compound than methyl 1-test?

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by Deoudes59
I don't want to highjack the thread, but would 19nor go well with M1,4add... or better with M5aa? (and should the stacks include 4-ad?)

You already are getting a good deal of estrogen from m1,4add target hormone. Nordiol has a good deal or progesterone activity. If you do run that make sure you have your Nolva on hand you may need it.

M1,4add and M5aa is not the best idea either as you do not want to get into the habit of an all oral 17aa stack.

I think a 1test transdermal or injectable with the m1,4add would be a good stack to run.

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by BAD_MO_FO
NO MERCEY, very inpressive strength gains, did you gain more strength on this compound than methyl 1-test?

The strength gains are similiar to those gained when on M1T and 4ad transdermal. The strength came on quicker with the M1T and 4ad and I ran it 4 weeks. The strength came on a bit slower with the m1,4add so I will run this cycle 5 weeks maybe 6.

[NO MERCY]

Day 26

Weighed in 1 pound less than yesterday - 274

Standing Military Press (in front) was able to get 200 for 3


Day 27 and 28

Rest days

[NO MERCY]

Start of Week 5 - Day 29

Yesterdays workout was great. Again strength is through the roof. I tried a one rep max on the bench press and was able to get a new personal record.

Day 30

I will report on today's workout later tonight or tomorrow.

[NO MERCY]

Weighed in at 274.

Military press 200 for 4

[Sldgehmr]

That is great bro, sorry to hear about the nose bleed is everything going good since then?

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by Sldgehmr
That is great bro, sorry to hear about the nose bleed is everything going good since then?

Ya I have not had any nose bleeds recently. Knock on wood.

[flexster]

No Mercy, you gained 6 pounds in 30 days. Is that correct? At your size do you have trouble gaining muscles?

I know you said that your strength went up but could you break it down for some of the lifts?

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by flexster
No Mercy, you gained 6 pounds in 30 days. Is that correct? At your size do you have trouble gaining muscles?

I know you said that your strength went up but could you break it down for some of the lifts?

I have gained a total of 8 pounds since the start of the cycle. I was at 266 and now I am at 274. I find it very difficult to put on weight now even with the use of legal compounds. In the past when I was smaller and had less experience with legal compounds I was able to put on more weight during a cycle. I may have "tapped" myself out with legal compounds. For example some people are gaining 10 pounds in a week on M1T. My last cycle I ran M1T with 4ad transdermal for 4 weeks gained 10 pounds and kept 4.

Here is a breakdown on strength

Bench press - Prior to cycle 335 for 3. Now 375 for 3
Wide grip pull downs - Prior to cycle 260 for 3. Now 270 for 3
Military press - Prior to cycle 195 for 3. Now 200 for 4
Close grip bench - Prior to cycle 285 for 3. Now 325 for 2
Squat- Prior to cycle 335 for 3. Now 385 for 3.

[flexster]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
I have gained a total of 8 pounds since the start of the cycle. I was at 266 and now I am at 274. I find it very difficult to put on weight now even with the use of legal compounds. In the past when I was smaller and had less experience with legal compounds I was able to put on more weight during a cycle. I may have "tapped" myself out with legal compounds. For example some people are gaining 10 pounds in a week on M1T. My last cycle I ran M1T with 4ad transdermal for 4 weeks gained 10 pounds and kept 4.

Here is a breakdown on strength

Bench press - Prior to cycle 335 for 3. Now 375 for 3
Wide grip pull downs - Prior to cycle 260 for 3. Now 270 for 3
Military press - Prior to cycle 195 for 3. Now 200 for 4
Close grip bench - Prior to cycle 285 for 3. Now 325 for 2
Squat- Prior to cycle 335 for 3. Now 385 for 3.


Excellent gains. thanks for listing them.

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by flexster
Excellent gains. thanks for listing them.

Thank you

[min]

Originally posted by NO MERCY
I have gained a total of 8 pounds since the start of the cycle. I was at 266 and now I am at 274. I find it very difficult to put on weight now even with the use of legal compounds. In the past when I was smaller and had less experience with legal compounds I was able to put on more weight during a cycle. I may have "tapped" myself out with legal compounds. For example some people are gaining 10 pounds in a week on M1T. My last cycle I ran M1T with 4ad transdermal for 4 weeks gained 10 pounds and kept 4.

Here is a breakdown on strength

Bench press - Prior to cycle 335 for 3. Now 375 for 3
Wide grip pull downs - Prior to cycle 260 for 3. Now 270 for 3
Military press - Prior to cycle 195 for 3. Now 200 for 4
Close grip bench - Prior to cycle 285 for 3. Now 325 for 2
Squat- Prior to cycle 335 for 3. Now 385 for 3.

Nice job,bro...keep it up.I want to see how much you'll keep this time :D

[NO MERCY]

Day 32

I weighed in at 277. Which I have to say took me by surprise. That is up 3 pounds from Day 29. Not sure how much is water weight fluctuation but time should tell.

I continue to get stronger while using this compound. I was able to get 375 for 4 today on the bench press

Pumps are insane and I have to say I take a double look when I look in the mirror. I am def the biggest and strongest I have ever been in my life right now. Again I do not have a bloated appearance. My muscles look full and hard.

As far as sides go I had another bloody nose today at work. I tried 4 different stores around here and I can not find hawthorne berry. I am just prob going to order it online and take it post cycle since the cycle is almost complete.

Please feel free to continue posting questions and comments. Thank you.

[Julius Peppaz]

very impressive. 40 lbs and 1 rep up on the bench? Looking good man.

[Julius Peppaz]

how are the strength/size gains compared toyour m1t/4ad cycle?

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by Julius Peppaz
very impressive. 40 lbs and 1 rep up on the bench? Looking good man.

Thank you very much

Strength gains are very similiar to the gains made on the M1T/4AD cycle.

[Julius Peppaz]

Do you have a link of your m1t/4ad log? I can't find it on search

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by Julius Peppaz
Do you have a link of your m1t/4ad log? I can't find it on search

No unfortunately not. At the time there were numerous M1T threads so I did not keep one. I would be happy to answer any questions in regards to that cycle though.

[Julius Peppaz]

can you post or pm your cycle length, weight gained and maintained, and strength gained and maintained? just What you remember.