need advice on prohormone cycle

[cocoleveo7686]

Let me tell all of you a little bit about myself before i ask the questions. I am 20 years old will be 21 in July, I lifted all through high school, when i was a freshman i lost about 40 lbs which brough me to 185, when i got out of school i kinda got lazy stopped lifting and got up to about 240, since then i brought my weigh to 190, but i did it by only eatin one meal a day which i know is bad for you. i have been lifting now for about 6 months straight, and 5 out of those 6 months i was doin 5x5 for everything, and lifting the same muscles about 3 times a week, i gained about a half an inch on my arms since. Last month i started the Rippetoe Program, because a kid at school told me thats what i should be on, since im only doing about 175 for 5 reps.I am looking to add Size, and Mass The supplements that i have been using are, whey protein, Creatine, and tribulus. I am thinking about taking a few prohormones but im not sure to which one i want or if i should be taking any. One of my questions are, if i use a prohormone with a correct pct, in the long run, if i stop lifting for a little while and get back to it, will it take me alot longer to notice results natural or will i have to take another prohormone to get back to where i was?
Also out of all of the products listed which one would you recommend for a first cycle:

Anevol
Bulk Tabs
Jungle Warfare
Bad Ass Mass
Havoc

a few friends are on havoc and from what i have read it seems decently safe if you get the right pct. Ive never done a prohormone and i think about later on in life, or a couple years down the road, i dont know if doing a prohormone now will effect my strength in years if i dont continue to take them....any advice would be greatly appreciated.

[cocoleveo7686]

bump

[v4lu3s]

i would get your diet and training in order before adding on stuff that effects your hormonal system. If you can consistently gain mass on your own, or cut on your own through diet and training only then start looking at other stuff.

[alphamail]

At 20 years old I wouldn't recomend any PH

[cocoleveo7686]

At 20 years old I wouldn't recomend any PH

so would you rather me use a real steroid?, i started on a new program and havent hit a plateau as far as lifting, but i cant seem to gain mass...

[v4lu3s]

eat more then. at age 20 you are a LONG way from reaching any kind of limits except the ones you build in with either poor training or poor diet.
I wuld be willing to bet you are eating nowhere near enough to grow out of fear of putting on fat...

[freedom2098]

I agree,Phs and roids are definitively excessive at your age.
If I was you I would stick with a good n.o. supp,egg protein , bcaa.
No matter what people say every ph and roid put an heavy toll on your whole body included shutting down your natural test.
good luck bro

[cocoleveo7686]

eat more then. at age 20 you are a LONG way from reaching any kind of limits except the ones you build in with either poor training or poor diet.
I wuld be willing to bet you are eating nowhere near enough to grow out of fear of putting on fat...

yea i dont think i eat enough either, im looking at getting a weight gainer just to help with the calories, its hard to eat 3000-4000 calories a day...

[gekkoboy14]

yea i dont think i eat enough either, im looking at getting a weight gainer just to help with the calories, its hard to eat 3000-4000 calories a day...

oats+pb+milk+whey is ur friend

[iammarques]

At this age and level of experience i think u'll be better off with Biotest BCAAs. They are probably more helpful then steroids and prohormones at your age.

It's odd that we just don't talk about Branched Chain Amino Acids (BCAA's) much, especially when you consider that almost all of on Testosterone Nation use them.

They're probably the one thing that's remained a constant in the lives of our coaches, from Charles Poliquin to Chad Waterbury to Christian Thibaudeau to John Berardi. Each of them — along with their clients — take large amounts of BCAA's every day. Next to protein powder, it's their primary supplement.

Of course, I suppose it would be like a bunch of doctors discussing their stethoscopes. If something is a mainstay of your profession, it often gets taken for granted.

That's too bad, because BCAA's are something that every lifter should be taking, if not daily, then at least during very specific training cycles.

[Drumkid20]

so would you rather me use a real steroid?, i started on a new program and havent hit a plateau as far as lifting, but i cant seem to gain mass...

Yes I'd tell you to use a "real" steroid before havoc.

First, havoc may not be what it says it is due to high percentage of impurities, maybe the bacteria added oxygen at the wrong position on the ring, or oxidations/reductions weren't completely reacted out on the molecule.

Second, YEARS of experience and 'independent studies' have been done with "real" steroids (even though their all "real"). You can educate yourself much better on a tried and true sterol thats already naturally present in your body anyways than you can about a designer new product.

Steroids are fat soluable. You'll get a lower effective dose if your chubby than someone whos very very lean. Hop on the treadmill and lean the hell up before touching anything for best results. Sorry if that sounds mean I really don't mean it to be.

Steroids act MORE powerfully on someone whos better 'developed' muscle wise than someone who isn't. The more time you've spent in the gym (hopefuly if you didn't dick off on your cell phone) the more androgen receptors you have, thus a greater and maybe even faster response will be had by someone with more expereience. Faster is important here, because with a "fake" steroid as you call them, they are most certainly orals and you can only take them for a limited amount of time for liver health purposes.

Hope you've learned a bit. Take it easy

-J

[v4lu3s]

yea i dont think i eat enough either, im looking at getting a weight gainer just to help with the calories, its hard to eat 3000-4000 calories a day...

I agree completely, I have to work at getting down 4000 calories a day with real life going on. Doing it has helped me gain mass, while I know I get some fat along with it. By increasing the amount I eat each day (i make diet changes one a month) since December I have put on 20-25 lbs hoping at least 2/3 of it is muscle. But it is work, much more work than the time in the gym is if you ask me. I think that a "real" steroid overall is safer as well, but before you go an use a prohormone or steroid you want your diet and training to be as good as it gets, after all why spend the money and take the risks if you are not going to see the best gains you can make? learn your body first, learn how well you respond to food and training by changing things when you don't see progress.

You should be able to achieve a lean 200+ lbs pretty easily once you learn your bodies needs. When I say lean i am talking near visible or visible abs. You may even want to hire a nutritionist for a few sessions as well, you can learn a LOT from the diets they help you with, and with that knowledge you can learn more about yourself.

[cocoleveo7686]

so will jungle warfare and bad ass mass help?, from what i read these arent a PH, im just looking for something else besides, the protein, creatine, and tribulus to help me

[Mr_Thing30]

eat more then. at age 20 you are a LONG way from reaching any kind of limits except the ones you build in with either poor training or poor diet.
I wuld be willing to bet you are eating nowhere near enough to grow out of fear of putting on fat...

I spent my 20's fighting for mass eating... training.. everything but Roids & PH.

So as I look back here is what I was doing wrong.
Not getting enough sleep. SLEEP is a must!

Not eating enough RED MEAT! I ate chicken breasts & tuna all the time. But when I started pouring red meat into me WHAM I started to really GROW.
At your age dont worry about fat. As long as your growing I still carry a lil body fat incase I miss a meal. ( The joys of being a Ectomorph.)

Take some time keep a food log look at what your actully eating youll be in shock.

I would go as far to guess your not even getting the 2 - 2.5 grams of protein that is recomended.

[pphilly51]

your twenty years old, your bench is 175 and you weigh 190? you really want to take a prohormone or steroid thats going to **** with you for the rest of your life? work on lifting weight properly and eat like a fukin moose! you dont need a steroid and your friends who take the steroids are ****in themselves up. plus havoc isn't as safe as your making it out to be do some research. tak a **** load of protein white/red mean eggs PBPBPB and carbs all day. you'll bulk up, dont rush it because in the long run youll be screwed and id hate to be 22, 23 years old and cant get it up or lost hair because i wanted a quick fix when i was 20-21 yrs. work your ass off and youll be where you need to be in due time!

[ToughAssBlood]

bulk tabs are really untested as far as ive heard, your best bet would be havoc/epistane ive heard good things about that compound. throw any Q's u got at me about ph.

[cocoleveo7686]

what about 4ad and 1-androsterone? are they prohormones? i dont think they are, would they be good for me?

[creativedesignz]

instead of asking a million and one questions try searching, yes 4ad and 1ad are ph's. injectables are safer than orals because they bypass the liver. your 20, dont make the same mistake i did and do an Superdrol cycle before doing research. first 4 weeks of lifting i did that because i read that its the best thing since skippy peanut butter. well after a slight gyno scare and not being able to get it hard for 6 months im back to normal thank god. do urself a favor and eat, eat all u can. red meat is great, if ur in college make 8 pounds of chicken in the beggining of the week and make sandwiches. eggs, tuna, oats. just be a "gavone" as my mother likes to call me. just please do more research before putting anything as harsh as these orals in your body.

[5Six]

Listen to these guys. They know what they are talkin about.

[cawchy]

Prohormone's are after your nutrition and training have reached their peak.

Your 190 and can bench 175??? There are problems in your training, not in your hormones.

Before I was 170lbs I could bench 225lbs, and I'm still making gains without prohormones.

[cocoleveo7686]

Prohormone's are after your nutrition and training have reached their peak.

Your 190 and can bench 175??? There are problems in your training, not in your hormones.

Before I was 170lbs I could bench 225lbs, and I'm still making gains without prohormones.



im 190 and i bench 175 5 times, so just about 205 for a max, which is more than my weight. ive been doin rippetoes program for about a month, seems to be helping, i just want to get big quick

[REID 251]

"i just want to get big quick" is where the problem is. Seriously man you'll be surprised at the gains you can make if you add in a few key ingredients. BCAA's, multi, protein, etc. and the right foods in the proper proportions. Try it, you'll be happy with the results. The gains pack on pretty quick too if everything is in check.

[Cancunapril4]

I dont understand why all these 16 to 21 year old using steroid or prohormone. How can you even reach your peak at 16 or 21? MOst of these kids dont know a damn thing about weight lifting. All they do is a few curls and few bench pressing, and they said they know about body building. I am 36 year old. I never touched any pH or steroid and yet I am still not at my peak. I can closed grip bench 315 8 reps for 4 sets. I couldnt understand how people are going crazy with steroid or prosteroid in the country. It is scary!!!

[chimdi_n]

yeah dude,i think you need to step up your weightlifting game.do more work first. imean, i'm 155 and i bench 225 for 3reps. your behind your league..at 190 you should be able to do a lot more.work on your training before considering "hardcore" supplements.

[aslan]

i dont think the peak argument helps in these cases, because not everyone is looking to pack on as much in life as possible.. there are kids who are 140 lbs and are looking only to reach 160, and obviously roids are the fast way to get there. these guys could wait until theyve reached their peak, at over 220 lbs or so, and then start using roids, but thats not what they wanted in the first place. ive got so many friends that stop lifting after a cycle or two and hitting their weight goals (160 and lean, 180, so on)..

you gotta press to these guys that roids are dangerous... because, coming from the viewpoint of someone whos underage for hormone-related products, saying they would be better off waiting till theyve reached their peak doesnt matter when all you wanted was the 15-20 lbs you couldve gotten on cycle..

i myself have never used it, though ive been seriously tempted to thanks to some *******s for friends. if i do it, itll be around age of 25, but my reason for not starting up will be what damage roids could do to me (gyno, low testosterone, POSSIBLE INCOMPETENCE IN THE FUTURE - i would kill myself if i couldnt have kids one day sometime down the road).

sorry for this stupid post just felt like saying all that. OP, check out some good ole' xfactor, im loving it.. and food is youre best friend, eat a lot and it will get you gains..

[KennedyStephens]

As far as taking down 4000 Calories... I know it's tough to, I take all sorts of food in.. And also make an attempt to make it ass somewhat clean ... Being 148lbs a month and a half ago, and now 154, it's a lot of eating and even when I was about to go to sleep, I would take down some cytergainer with milk, and maximize the amout of caloric intake... I cook 2 days ahead, for chicken and steaks.. I eat tuna by the pak-fulls.. And I can eat a sandwich in the shower lol..I eat everywhere and all the time.. But be carefull with your liver.. Everything is hitting it hard... Diet and Sleep.. I now sleep as much as I can and rest when I cant.. But as Mr.thing said, RED MEAT !! Good Luck.

[alphamail]

If your absolutely set on doing a ph, why not run oxevol instead it only has one methalated active in it?

[Mickfootie]

im 190 and i bench 175 5 times, so just about 205 for a max, which is more than my weight. ive been doin rippetoes program for about a month, seems to be helping, i just want to get big quick

Getting BIG quick also means when your not taking it the size comes off quicker and can lead to injuries too. If it is done all natural with good diet and training you will find that you will keep virtually most of what you have gained.

[DBee]

jungle warfare !

[markymark69]

Coco,

If you want to get big fast do steroids.

Since that is not a smart option I think you need to evaluate what you are doing and what is realistic to accomplish.

When I was your age I was 5'7 @ 125lbs. I switched from being a long distance runner to competing in track and field and I needed to pack on size and strength. Over 2-3 yrs I went up to 170+lbs which was really too much for my frame. But I did it without any supplements except a multivitamin.
Instead of a protein powder I had access to unlimited supply of eggs (worked in a restaurant that let us eat whatever we wanted, when we wanted). So it was 30 egg whites each day.

Personally I would focus on 3 things (and stay away from PH & sterdiods) if you desire is to 'get big'

1) Nutrition: Your body is only going to be good as the food you take in. I know you have heard this 100 times but you should focus on eating healthy & balanced meals 3-4 times a day with several snacks mixed in. it makes it easier to consume the calories you body will need to grow.

2) Rest: Bottom line...if you dont get enough rest you wont grow or you wont grow as fast. I think this aspect is often overlooked in many training regimens.

3) Training: Im not trying to bust on you, especially not knowing you training regimen, but given the weights you are pushing with you size, you should be pushing alot more then you currently are. Granted I have been training for 17+ yrs. But at 150lbs I'm pushing 90lb dumbbells on the incline benchpress for 8-10 reps.
Without training hard, it doesnt matter how much rest you get, how much you eat, etc.
What is your current training schedule like? What type of exercises are you doing?
You should be doing nothing but basic exercises: Squats, deadlifts, pullups, barbell bench, weighted dips, etc.
I am not a fan of machine weights or cable weights what so ever. You want to get strong which in turn will bring size? Stick to basic exercises.

[mazzattac]

im sorry but u guys really bash ph and steroids becuase of what they taught you about them in ur health classes...im 17 i took like 2 PH's and im in perfect body condition with my health...if u take it right you willll be fine i took oxodrol and mass tabs...with novedex after....i got pretty good gains with lots of strength and you all say how it will kill me in the long run and i will loose everything i havent lost a pound and i kept most of the strength...yes u will get weaker when ur off but that just means u gotta work out that much harder when ur off cycle...take a look at this and ur opinions might change http://youtube.com/watch?v=z0LEj8IPHGU