44 and the best I've ever looked

[clive]

Just like to say that body building is becoming a great part of my life, though I only started lifting weights 4 years ago I feel that at the age of 44 I have a better looking and stronger body that at any other time in my life.
Up untill recently Ive concentraited mainly on the arms, but I've recently revised my workout to a more balanced routine.
It's never too late to start and it's certainly not a sport for just for the young men.
All the best for you guys over 35. (sorry, women as well!)

[Hibiscus09]

Wow, Clive!! That's a nice bicep! :) You look great!

[egoatdoor]

Welcome to the world of balanced routines! :D

Is it going to feel strange sometimes not being the only guy in the gym working arms?? :D I personally get that "out of place" feeling a lot!!

[fitnessman]

You need to put a caption by the pic..."I SAID GROW"..LOL

Good looking pic!

[Macattack]

You don't look 44 thats for sure must be the fitness program your on, good job oldman :) i'm not far behind..

[clive]

Thanks I'm oftern thought of being about 10 years younger than I am, dont think it's any thing to do with my workout. I think I'm just lucky as my parents look good for their age.

[kaz555]

its nice and all, but i dont like the hair on teh chest, my opinion, i think u need to work more on the biceps to ge the full peak out, try to cut a lil,

[Hibiscus09]

I think chest hair is very sexy. I think most of you know that by now. LOL

[go4thepump]

Originally posted by Hibiscus09
I think chest hair is very sexy. I think most of you know that by now. LOL

Dang HIB , I am clean shaven everywhere , I guess that leaves me with the un-sexy men !!! LOL

Clive , nice round bi's dude . Look very good for your age , very inspiring . For some good criticism , your forearms look out of place attached to your good bi's , you need to start with the Popeye routine to catch up !!!!!
Good luck with your new routine ..

[Hibiscus09]

Dang HIB , I am clean shaven everywhere , I guess that leaves me with the un-sexy men !!! LOL

LOL -- no I think clean shaven can be sexy also. I just don't think men should feel like they have to shave the hair off to feel sexy. I'm an equal opportunity admirer. :)

[clive]

Interesting feedback on the hair, I dont have a problem with it as it's not to thick, anyway my wife likes it so it's staying.

[rosa]

Originally posted by Macattack
You don't look 44 thats for sure must be the fitness program your on, good job oldman :) i'm not far behind..

I know. Why do the guys get to look younger than the women? What's the deal? lol!

[Hibiscus09]

Good decision. Not that you needed my approval. LOL

[Hibiscus09]

I mean come on guys. Clive you're proof enough. But if you need more proof -- lookie here. Damn!!!!

[clive]

Body hair seems to be out of fashon these days, no matter! I'm not compeating. I'm just an ordinary guy that works out to keep fit strong and hopfully looking good.
Just a question to people out there.
I'm from the UK and is it my imagination that body building is bigger in the USA than it is in the UK? The reason I ask this is that I don't see many good builds about in our horridly short Summer. Most guys look overweight or just skinny, women seem to look after themselves better though. Any thoughts!

[Macattack]

Originally posted by Hibiscus09
I mean come on guys. Clive you're proof enough. But if you need more proof -- lookie here. Damn!!!!

DAMN THAT GUY ruins it for the rest of us lol :(

[rosa]

Originally posted by clive
I'm from the UK and is it my imagination that body building is bigger in the USA than it is in the UK? The reason I ask this is that I don't see many good builds about in our horridly short Summer. Most guys look overweight or just skinny, women seem to look after themselves better though. Any thoughts!

Perhaps they don't flash it as much Clive? lol. I notice the guys are pretty much the same no matter where you go. Plus the US is a larger and more populated place. I think in any country though you will find that they have the obesity and couch potato problems.

[Hibiscus09]

LOL, mac! :)

You're right, rosa -- we certainly have a bad problem with people being overweight/obese here in the U.S.

[egoatdoor]

Originally posted by clive

I'm from the UK and is it my imagination that body building is bigger in the USA than it is in the UK? The reason I ask this is that I don't see many good builds about in our horridly short Summer. Most guys look overweight or just skinny, women seem to look after themselves better though. Any thoughts!

In the US, many MEN AND WOMEN don't take of themselves. Most are overweight and unfortunately we've become a society here they don't give a damn anymore. Blame someone else for YOUR problem and if your obesity causes health problems, insurance or the government will pay the bills. Sometimes I feel us healthy people are big suckers because our taxes and health insurance premiums pay for everyone else's self inflicted problems.

[clive]

Originally posted by egoatdoor
In the US, many MEN AND WOMEN don't take of themselves. Most are overweight and unfortunately we've become a society here they don't give a damn anymore. Blame someone else for YOUR problem and if your obesity causes health problems, insurance or the government will pay the bills. Sometimes I feel us healthy people are big suckers because our taxes and health insurance premiums pay for everyone else's self inflicted problems.

I dont think us fit folks are suckers as we are the ones that will have longer and healther lives.
One thing I enjoy almost as much as having decent sized arms is having a 30" wast, I hate to carry any fat round with me.
Time for another pic

[Gator]

Keep at it Clive..
good luck !

Gator

[Lynne]

Hi Clive,

Very nice...masculine. You don't look 44, how true! I like the fuzzy chest, too.

L

[Hibiscus09]

Nice, trim waistline also! :)

[clive]

Thanks ladies and gents, All these nice compliments! This over 35 forum is much more civiliased than the other forums Ive visited in this BB site. I think I'll stay here with the grown ups.

[Mataz]

Not very nice!

[egoatdoor]

Originally posted by clive
Thanks ladies and gents, All these nice compliments! This over 35 forum is much more civiliased than the other forums Ive visited in this BB site. I think I'll stay here with the grown ups.

And along comes Mataz.....

[supadave]

Originally posted by Mataz
You should learn to do more than just curling!
Your Tri's are sad, Chest sad, traps sad..........forearms.......sad

:(

[go4thepump]

Originally posted by egoatdoor
And along comes Mataz.....

And guess what else , he is OVER 35 .........
See , there are ignorant people , no matter what their age is , 16 , 70 , or 35 ....

Not everyone wants to be Mr. Olympia . Some of us just want to look better as we get older !!!!!!!!

[BuffedWildCat]

Originally posted by go4thepump
And guess what else , he is OVER 35 .........
See , there are ignorant people , no matter what their age is , 16 , 70 , or 35 ....

Not everyone wants to be Mr. Olympia . Some of us just want to look better as we get older !!!!!!!!

And apparently he still needs to learn how to read. I mean geez isn't that what clive already pointed out in his first post, the part about a more balanced routine, yeesh! Give the man a friggin break already. Some people never grow up.

Anyhoo, hey clive, lookin' great! And I would've never guessed your correct age either, that's for sure!

[kendo]

Hi Clive

Welcome to the over 35's. We need more folk in here from our side of the pond! Nice arm development mate but as you say you concentrated on them primarily be good to see your symmetry developing as other bodyparts come in line and improve.

[clive]

Originally posted by Mataz
You should learn to do more than just curling!
Your Tri's are sad, Chest sad, traps sad..........forearms.......sad

I'm working on the "sad bits" but I dont think the forearms are that bad perhaps the angle of the previous pics dont do them justice, see my new pic below, I think they look ok.
Matez comments are negative, I dont mind criticism but it must be positive criticism, stuff that I can learm from. I havent been in this game that long and Im still finding my feet.
It must be rememberd that as a family man I cant devote endless hours to myself, so Im more than pleased with the progress Ive made so far.

[oldie]

Originally posted by clive
.......Up untill recently Ive concentraited mainly on the arms, but I've recently revised my workout to a more balanced routine.
It's never too late to start and it's certainly not a sport for just for the young men.
All the best for you guys over 35. (sorry, women as well!)

The negative criticism of Clive's "neglected" body parts is unnecessary because he addresses these issues in his opening comments in this thread, "Up untill recently Ive concentraited mainly on the arms, but I've recently revised my workout to a more balanced routine." He's new to bodybuilding.com, and is still learning from exposure to its great resources. He's already faced these negative criticisms in the Post Your Pictures forum. Some of them were rather vicious and uncalled for. Fortunately a few people there referred him to specific training resources, resulting in a "recently revised workout to a more balanced routine." Let's be more encouraging with positive advice and criticism to a "newbie" who's learning about bodybuilding. Isn't that what these boards were intended for? We've all been there to some degree when we were starting, and we are still learning. Why attack someone who is not our enemy? Welcome, Clive!

[Hibiscus09]

Beats me! I think Clive has a great body. I don't know why guys always think bigger and bigger is better. I love the look of a fit, muscular guy who is not overly huge. I think the guys in "Men's Health" magazine are hot. Of course, I'm only an observer -- LOL. I have a cutie at home. ;)

[TrishB]

Looking good Clive! You should be more than pleased with the way you look.
You are more than welcome to stay with us and share your progress. :)

[fitnessman]

Originally posted by go4thepump
And guess what else , he is OVER 35 .........
See , there are ignorant people , no matter what their age is , 16 , 70 , or 35 ....

Not everyone wants to be Mr. Olympia . Some of us just want to look better as we get older !!!!!!!!

Yes that comment is not helpful at all. Posts like this.....Click that little button that says "Report to moderator.

[F071557]

Clive, you look good, you've been happy with your progress and now you've set goals for yourself. That's all that matters. Like the US Army recruitment ads say: "Be all that you can be". :)

And there's always gonna be someone to come along and p!$$ in your Cheerios. :(

[kendo]

Yip Clive dont listen to any of that negative crap you are doin well. I've been in this forum since it started and it's rare you hear stuff like that in the >35's. Most folk in here are here to help and encourage. Good luck.

[Keywil]

Originally posted by clive
I'm working on the "sad bits" but I dont think the forearms are that bad perhaps the angle of the previous pics dont do them justice, see my new pic below, I think they look ok.


Clive, from another newbie... your arms look good to me. They look hard and trim even while relaxed... I'm inspired... gotta go do some curls or something...

Thanks for sharing the pic Clive.

[egoatdoor]

Clive, hang out here anytime. Mataz, hang out somewhere else.

[clive]

Thanks for the support out there, nice hearing from oldie again he always has something inteligent and worthwhile to say. I find these forums more useful than most as I don't go to a gym due to family comitments and workout at home . So I dont get much of a chance to talk to like minded people, I find it helpful for information and motivation, as it's a bit lonely on my own ( big sigh from everybody! ) But seriously Im quite positive about my weight training and I know Im going to make more progress.
One question, Ive started doing Hammer curls in my routine, what is the diference do these make between these and standard curls?

[fitnessman]

A nice peak movement. remember to contract and hold at top of movement.

[Bob45]

How did I miss this thread? You look great Chive. I want to start doing more for my arms. That's what shows all the time. I always work in a short sleeve shirt.

[ojs]

Originally posted by clive
.....One question, Ive started doing Hammer curls in my routine, what is the diference do these make between these and standard curls? They put the bicep in an akward position so they can only contract hard and take over as the primary at the top of the movement. I think that's what creates the taller muscle center(bicep peak). Also Hammer Curls recruit the brachioradialis very heavily through the bottom 2/3 of the movement, developing the top of the forearm.


F071557 ? :)
*Also hit is the brachialis pushing the bicep up and away from the tricep a bit. This produces a thinker looking arm.

[F071557]

Sorry to nitpick, ojs, it's the brachialis you're thinking of that makes the upper arm look thicker. The brachialis sits underneath and slightly to the outside of the biceps brachii. Hammers do work the brachioradialis also. That's the fat muscle on top of the forearm.

[ojs]

Originally posted by F071557
Sorry to nitpick, ojs, it's the brachialis you're thinking of that makes the upper arm look thicker. The brachialis sits underneath and slightly to the outside of the biceps brachii. Hammers do work the brachioradialis also. That's the fat muscle on top of the forearm. Your right! I stand corrected. I type faster than I think. I'll go back and fix it. Where's Chi??

[F071557]

Originally posted by ojs

F071557 ? :)


Is that curiosity about such an uninspired handle?

I used to be The Minotaur (you know, half man, half beast). During a scuffle on another forum, that handle was banned. I had to reregister. F071557 is F for Frank, and 071557 is (drumroll please) my birthday. :rolleyes:

[ojs]

Originally posted by F071557
Is that curiosity about such an uninspired handle?

I used to be The Minotaur (you know, half man, half beast). During a scuffle on another forum, that handle was banned. I had to reregister. F071557 is F for Frank, and 071557 is (drumroll please) my birthday. :rolleyes: Thanks for anwering. I was just wondering.

*"banned" ?? that mean your a "I ride my motorcycle right to the bar to order a drink" kinda guy?

[Hibiscus09]

I used to be The Minotaur (you know, half man, half beast). During a scuffle on another forum, that handle was banned. I had to reregister. F071557 is F for Frank, and 071557 is (drumroll please) my birthday. :rolleyes:

I didn't know you were The Minotaur. See -- you need to let us know these things. LOL

[F071557]

Originally posted by ojs
Thanks for anwering. I was just wondering.

*"banned" ?? that mean your a "I ride my motorcycle right to the bar to order a drink" kinda guy?

Only if I've had a few first, and think I'm more of a badass than I actually am. :D

[F071557]

Originally posted by Hibiscus09
I used to be The Minotaur (you know, half man, half beast). During a scuffle on another forum, that handle was banned. I had to reregister. F071557 is F for Frank, and 071557 is (drumroll please) my birthday. :rolleyes:

I didn't know you were The Minotaur. See -- you need to let us know these things. LOL

I was keeping a low profile after that 'scuffle'. ;)

[Hibiscus09]

LOL -- I should keep a lower profile myself. I think everyone knows who I am, where I live, what my husband does for a living, everything about my kids, blah, blah. I just tell everything.

[clive]

Sorry to pick your brains again and forgive my ignorance but Ive notice these Body fat percentages next to peoples stats, How do you work it out and what is good? Im interested.

[Hibiscus09]

The best way to get it done is hydrostatically at a University or facility that offers that method. It's a little expensive, but gives the most accurate measurement. Another way is to have it done at a gym. Or you could order bodyfat calipers & do it yourself. I have accumeasure digital calipers & I think they're somewhat accurate -- but it wouldn't surprise me if it could be about 4% off either way. There are also manual calipers you can order. I bought the accumeasure digitals from this site. I believe they sell the manual calipers also. Yet another option is a bodyfat scale. There are a variety of brands, so you may want to research those or perhaps someone here can let you know which brand they have. I have Terralion & they suck. LOL I've also had my bodyfat measured using a handheld electrical impedance (I believe is what it's called) device. I believe electrical impedance is how the scales measure bodyfat also.

All sorts of choices. :)

Oh, and there are ways to take your bodyfat using a tape measure also. You can find online calculators where you take measurements of yourself & the calculator will estimate your bodyfat %.

[egoatdoor]

Originally posted by F071557
Sorry to nitpick, ojs, it's the brachialis you're thinking of that makes the upper arm look thicker. The brachialis sits underneath and slightly to the outside of the biceps brachii. Hammers do work the brachioradialis also. That's the fat muscle on top of the forearm.

I made the self same mistake in another thread. I really need an anatomy chart. :D

[Mataz]

Well it wasn't very nice, but I took offence to his comment that this group had grown-ups and the all the other people from the bb thread were kids?

I'm not ignorant :)

Trish is hot by the way ;)

[oldie]

Originally posted by egoatdoor
I made the self same mistake in another thread. I really need an anatomy chart. :D

This web page might be of help with anatomy....

http://www.exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html

In the left column "MUSCLES", click on the specific muscle name and it will display an anatomy illustration of the muscle.

The right column "EXERCISES" lists muscles/areas and opens animated exercise descriptions.

The dumbbell hammer curl is illustrated at.....

http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Brachioradialis/DBHammerCurl.html

[clive]

Thanks again oldie, this info is very useful indeed showing in movement how to do the excersise and what muscles are being worked I'm going to learn a lot from this one, just added it to my favorites. No stopping me now!

[clive]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mataz
[B]Well it wasn't very nice, but I took offence to his comment that this group had grown-ups and the all the other people from the bb thread were kids?

I didn't mean to ofend any one under the age of 35 it's just that I started a stream not long after joining the BB site out side of the over age 35 forum and received a lot af negative stuff some quite agressive unprovoked feed back. which I could only put down to immaturity, hence the "staying with the grown ups" comment from myself. I hope that clears it up Mataz, I have nothing against younger people in any way.

[BigDad]

Clive, I agree whole-heartedly. The Over 35 section is very sincere and worthwhile. I used to post in other sections and found replies to be sophmoric and negative.

Keep up the good work.

[BuffedWildCat]

Originally posted by clive
I didn't mean to ofend any one under the age of 35 it's just that I started a stream not long after joining the BB site out side of the over age 35 forum and received a lot af negative stuff some quite agressive unprovoked feed back. which I could only put down to immaturity, hence the "staying with the grown ups" comment from myself. I hope that clears it up Mataz, I have nothing against younger people in any way.

We knew what ya meant. ;)

Okay, well I did anyway.

[ojs]

Originally posted by clive
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mataz
[B]Well it wasn't very nice, but I took offence to his comment that this group had grown-ups and the all the other people from the bb thread were kids?

I didn't mean to ofend any one under the age of 35 it's just that I started a stream not long after joining the BB site out side of the over age 35 forum and received a lot af negative stuff some quite agressive unprovoked feed back. which I could only put down to immaturity, hence the "staying with the grown ups" comment from myself. I hope that clears it up Mataz, I have nothing against younger people in any way. This is the most mature forum. I have read through some of the other forums and, other the ladies forum, I can see how difficult it could be to have an intelligent exchange. And anyone that takes offense to it being mentioned as the reason for someone moving to and posting here probably simply can't appreciate the difference, or is perfectly at home in that environment. I think Clive was right on and had no call to apologize other than he is a gentleman with a high degree of maturity. Much more so than I could ever be.

[IPR]

Abit late, but I will add my welcome. :)

I did see your thread in the pics forum, sensible move over here. Nice to see another Brit as well :D

[Veinpopper]

Originally posted by ojs
Or, the offendee is perfectly at home in that environment. I think Clive was right on and had no call for an apology other than he is a gentleman with a high degree of maturity. Much more so than I could ever be.

Offendee or Offender? :rolleyes:

Clive, what is the next bodypart that you would most like to bring up? People have different priorities. Theres no doubt that legs can be a pain and a bore. They take probably the most energy to work and often a day of rest before and after is needed to keep from getting too sore. I'm sure this is one reason why some bodybuilders skip doing legs and concentrate on the "beach muscles" - the ones that they can show off while dressed or at the beach.

It took me quite a while to establish a routine for back, traps and shoulders, simply because of my learning curve. Free weights especially came later. I was doing legs early on but my seat position or leg position was not right and I was getting injured or not able to make significant gains.

People will tell you that the muscles work synergistically and having a large muscle and then a small opposing one puts the body out of whack. But supposing you set priorities, which one would be next?

[clive]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Veinpopper
[B]Offendee or Offender? :rolleyes:

Clive, what is the next bodypart that you would most like to bring up? People have different priorities. Theres no doubt that legs can be a pain and a bore. They take probably the most energy to work and often a day of rest before and after is needed to keep from getting too sore. I'm sure this is one reason why some bodybuilders skip doing legs and concentrate on the "beach muscles" - the ones that they can show off while dressed or at the beach.

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I must admit I would like bigger shoulders I beleive the lats are the ones to develope here I think this will compliment the arms which is no doubt my best feature, Im doing squats which I can feel working the legs, these need some work as they are a bit on the slim side. If I'm brave I might post a pic of them.

[oldie]

Originally posted by clive

I must admit I would like bigger shoulders I beleive the lats are the ones to develope here I think this will compliment the arms which is no doubt my best feature, Im doing squats which I can feel working the legs, these need some work as they are a bit on the slim side. If I'm brave I might post a pic of them. [/B]

Delts and Traps would greatly add balance to the upper torso and arms. They are easy to train with dumbbells, too.

[clive]

Coming back to this stream after 4 months, I have worked hard on the shoulders and I recon Im making progress, I know I must be developing bigger muscles as my weight is gradually going up but my wast remains the same. maybe those squats are helping, Anyway I'm pleased the way things are going.

[NuclearArms]

Great job from the early pic. You'll be kicked off the old-timers rugby team real soon with that progress. I heard Wigan needs a few new players.

[Lynne]

Originally posted by clive
Coming back to this stream after 4 months, I have worked hard on the shoulders and I recon Im making progress, I know I must be developing bigger muscles as my weight is gradually going up but my wast remains the same. maybe those squats are helping, Anyway I'm pleased the way things are going.

Whew.....I'm pleased with the way things are going too ;). Lookin' good, Clive or should I say "Popeye?"

[clive]

Originally posted by Lynne
Whew.....I'm pleased with the way things are going too ;). Lookin' good, Clive or should I say "Popeye?"

Thanks Lynne, I remember some while ago you recomended me to do Dips, I've been doing these and its doing wonders to the triceps, I'm starting to get that nice curve under the arm when doing a double bicep pose, as in my latest picture... ..Thanks for that again Lynne.

[Veinpopper]

I can see some real progress in the front delts Clive. Great going! What exactly are you doing for the front delts, bench pressing?

[~*IronBelle*~]

Originally posted by NuclearArms
Great job from the early pic. You'll be kicked off the old-timers rugby team real soon with that progress. I heard Wigan needs a few new players.

Ahhh Wigan (pronounced wiggin lolol), anyone used to go to Wigan Pier nightclub? Takes me back a few years. Looking good Clive. You can definately see an improvement there.

[NuclearArms]

The Wigan Pier. That does ring a bell, maybe 15 years ago. You must also remember the "pie eating" as well then.

[~*IronBelle*~]

I'm going back further than 15 years... actually I am 40yo and I was 18yo when I used to go there. What was the pie eating thing all about? lolol.

Don't know where I got my energy from back then...we used to rave until 4am in the morning.

[clive]

Originally posted by Veinpopper
I can see some real progress in the front delts Clive. Great going! What exactly are you doing for the front delts, bench pressing?

Thanks, doing heavy dumbell shoulder presses, and eating more I think is helping here. I've eases back on the biceps a bit to concentrare more on the shoulders, Ive been looking at some pic on the site and there is no doubt that good delts can really compliment the arms.

[Veinpopper]

Keep it up! What are you going to focus on next? I'd say your biceps can coast for a while until everything else comes up to symmetry.

[wscranston]

Originally posted by rosa
I know. Why do the guys get to look younger than the women? What's the deal? lol!

Because we maintain our reproductive capability longer. :cool:

Sorry.

[NuclearArms]

Originally posted by ~*IronBelle*~
I'm going back further than 15 years... actually I am 40yo and I was 18yo when I used to go there. What was the pie eating thing all about? lolol. Wasn't there 20 yrs ago, but did a little, raving in the area.

Guess you were not much into the rugby scene back then. The degrogatory(sp?) saying towards a Wiganer was a pie eater. Used it all the time when playing a club from Wigan. I will say though, they made some of the best meat pies in the area.

[clive]

Originally posted by Veinpopper
Keep it up! What are you going to focus on next? I'd say your biceps can coast for a while until everything else comes up to symmetry.

I measured my chest and was delighted to find I've added an inch and a half (now 41.5") I know that dosen't seem a lot but I've had a 40" chest for years so pehaps those squats are doing something afterall.
Forearms are going well now nearly 13" I've said this in a other post (On the otherside) That I recon hammer curls are helping here. You have to grip them harder (well I do!) and this worked those forearms. I know after doing Hammer curls I can feel it's worked them and I get loads of vains.

[clive]

Originally posted by Veinpopper
Keep it up! What are you going to focus on next? I'd say your biceps can coast for a while until everything else comes up to symmetry.

I measured my chest and was delighted to find I've added an inch and a half (now 41.5") I know that dosen't seem a lot but I've had a 40" chest for years so pehaps those squats are doing something afterall.
Forearms are going well now nearly 13" I've said this in a other post (On the otherside) That I recon hammer curls are helping here. You have to grip them harder (well I do!) and this worked those forearms. I know after doing Hammer curls I can feel it's worked them and I get loads of vains.

[clive]

Originally posted by clive
I measured my chest and was delighted to find I've added an inch and a half (now 41.5") I know that dosen't seem a lot but I've had a 40" chest for years so pehaps those squats are doing something afterall.
Forearms are going well now nearly 13" I've said this in a other post (On the otherside) That I recon hammer curls are helping here. You have to grip them harder (well I do!) and this worked those forearms. I know after doing Hammer curls I can feel it's worked them and I get loads of vains.

[clive]

Sorry you got that lot 3 times, I must of pressed something wrong!