NON-SPONSORED - White Flood, Green Bulge, Purple Wraath, Blue Up and Diesel Fuel V12

[SagerBB]

NON-SPONSORED LOG

Hey Bodybuilding.com!

It's that time again, time to hit the weights and make my wife proud, and I am going to be logging my physical adventures for you all to see.

Here are my stats:
Age: 25
Sex: Male
Height: 6' 1"
Weight: 202 (according to the gyms scale this morning)
Body Type: Mesomorph (according to http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/becker3.htm)

Goals:
I think in order to explain this I have to explain about where I am coming from. Throughout my childhood my dad was really cool about letting me play any sport I wanted to. I started off in soccer and shortly after our first game I realized there was way to much running involved (age 5 or so, chubby little dude). In the 1st grade I had a huge growth spurt, which put me near the tallest in my class so of course basketball was next. This was the mid to late 80s where kids wore the short shorts (talking like boxer brief style shorts) so I didn't care for that sports attire after a season. Then came the sport we all love... football! I played football from the age of 8 to my freshman year in high school (15). It wasn?t until my 7th grade year (first year to play football for the school) did I ever lift a weight. I was unable to even do the bar even though I was a very active child.

To speed this up some I began lifting weights in school and mostly on my own, as I look back now I realize I feel into a pattern after I started to lift. I will lift weights until I see improvements and then just quit. It?s not that I plateau (since I have never gotten to that point) its simply that I just stop working out. The last time this occurred I went on a "keto diet" and got into the best shape of my life, to date. I went from 220 to a nice 185 and all of my daily aches and pains (chest pains, rib pains, heart burn) went away. Then boom, just like that I stopped and I am back to an inactive 202. I now have a drive and motivation to get back into the gym like never before.

So with this log and some help from yall I plan to overcome the obstacle that makes me just stop and finally get into the body I have been wanting since my freshman year in HS. My problem areas seem to be my gut and upper thighs, other than that I usually stay pretty damn lean, (even went I got up to 240 with my wife's first pregnancy!).

So onto my goals for this log:

Short Term (1 - 3 months):
Cut weight down and build muscle (improve BF %age!)
Build a stable and constant workout regimen
Improve Diet - more smaller meals, healthier food, less junk
LOG!

Long Term (3 - 12+ months):
After Cutting out the fat - Bulk Muscle on the right way
Maintain workout regimen
Maintain controlled diet

as you can see my goals are simple cut weight, improve my bf %age and then build muscle gaining weight the correct way.

Training:
I will be using the principals that make up Max OT with the help of Fitrex.com exercises.

What to expect from this log:
1. Posting of daily supplement usage
2. Posting of daily workout routine
3. Posting of daily diet
4. Effects and feelings supplements give
5. Above all an honest an unbiased review of the supplements and my results

THE SUPPLEMENTS:
* Please note I am posting links to the supplements originating site. I do not need to post everything about them here as there are tons of threads that have already done that.

Get Diesel Nutrition:
Diesel Fuel V12 (Thermogenic): http://www.getdiesel.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?action=showhtml&id=fuel

Controlled Labs:
GREEN BULGE (Creatine + Stim): http://controlledlabs.com/product_desc.php?id=28
WHITE FLOOD (Pre-Workout ASS KICKER): http://controlledlabs.com/product_desc.php?id=73
PURPLE WRAATH (EAA): http://controlledlabs.com/product_desc.php?id=34
BLUE UP - STIM FREE (Test Booster): http://controlledlabs.com/product_desc.php?id=32

Natures Best:
Isopure Mango Peach Perfect Zero Carb Protein: http://www.naturesbest.com/index.html?section=Shopping&id=3004&catSec=207&pid=17382&-session=thisSession:574F8BB7046C35761F990CE9CBEB75 77
Isopure Pineapple Orange Banana Perfect Zero Carb Protein: http://www.naturesbest.com/index.html?section=Shopping&id=3004&catSec=207&pid=17382&-session=thisSession:574F8BB7046C35761F990CE9CBEB75 77

MRM:
Smart Blend (Omegas): http://www.mrm-usa.com/proddetail.php?prod=14002-0


I will start taking the supplements next week. This week I am "breaking" in my body, preparing to hit the gym hard next week. Thanks for the support and I will be posting updates a few times this week and starting next Monday I will post daily updates.

[SagerBB]

Supplement History
* List of supplements used in the past whether they helped or not. Just proving I am coming from previous experiences.

Energy / Fat Loss Products:
- Ready 4 War V5.0
- Ripped Fuel (w/ Ephedra)
- Test 10
- Hydroxycut (w/ Ephedra)
- Diesel Fuel (non V12 version)
- Thermorexin

Creatine Products:
- AST Pure Creatine Monohydrate
- Creatine Serum
- CellTech

Protein Products:
- HST Primer Protein
- HST Driver Protein
- Nitrotech
- ON Optimum Whey

Test Booster:
- Diesel Test 2010

Sure there are a few I am missing but you all get the point. I am really excited to see how this stack will "stack" up to what I have used previously.

Supplement Plan and Workout Plan:
*Please note for the first 1 - 3 months I will be cutting then bulking the correct way. But now getting my BF %age down and losing fat takes priority.

Generic Workout Schedule:
Monday: Cardio / Legs
Tuesday: Cardio / Arms and Abs
Wednesday: Cardio / Shoulders and Traps
Thursday: Cardio / Back
Friday: Cardio / Chest and Abs

Supplement Schedule:

Workout Days:
Pre-Workout:
- White Flood
- Purple Wraath
- Green Bulge
* Was told by Controlled Labs and Pu12en12g that since I was working out in the AM on an empty stomach to mix White Flood with Purple Wraath in a drink and take Green Bulge as directed (which is before working out). So that means 30 minutes before the AM work out I will have taken Green Bulge and downed a drink of White Flood / Purple Wraath.

Post-Workout:
- Isopure Zero Carb Protein Shake (mixed with water)

Pre AM Meal:
- Diesel Fuel V12

Pre Mid-Day Meal:
- Diesel Fuel V12

Pre Evening Meal:
- Diesel Fuel V12

Before Bed:
- Multivitamin

Non-Workout Days:
Pre AM Meal:
- Green Bulge
- Diesel Fuel V12

Pre Mid-Day Meal:
- Diesel Fuel V12

Pre Evening Meal:
- Diesel Fuel V12

Before Bed:
- Multivitamin

* Again please note that until I cut out the body fat I am looking to lose and start to bulk I will be holding off on adding in Blue Up. Blue Up will be added in when the bulking/mass muscle add on happens.

That should get me ready for next Monday... more updates to come! Comments and Suggestions always welcomed! Thanks

Sager

[CONTROLLED LABS]

looking good, subscribed :)

[cervasa1977]

Great set up and stack....looking forward to this log

[steve800]

Good intro and good luck on sticking with it. I'm on a similar stack and am having great success.

[SagerBB]

Thanks for the support guys!

Just to let everyone know what I am doing to "break in" my body for next week, here is the routine I am using for this week and will start MAX-OT next week.

Monday 3/26:
1 Cardio (stationary bike) 20 minutes
2 Squat 10@90 lbs, 12@110 lbs, 12@110 lbs
3 SS(K) Machine Leg Extensions 20@50 lbs, 15@55 lbs
4 SS(K) Machine Leg Curl 20@45 lbs, 15@45 lbs
5 Dumbbell Bench Press 12@45 lbs, 12@50 lbs, 10@50 lbs
6 SS(A) Dumbbell Military Press 12@30 lbs, 12@35 lbs, 10@35 lbs
7 SS(A) Dumbbell Rear Lateral Raise 20@15 lbs, 15@20 lbs
8 Dumbbell Triceps Kickback 20@15 lbs, 15@20 lbs, 10@20 lbs
9 Reverse Crunches 9 reps, 9 reps
10 Bent Knee Crunches 20 reps, 20 reps
* Very light as you can see, I know I am gona be sore from not working out in so long but gotta go through the pain to get to your goals

Tuesday 3/27:
* So sore from the Squats even with using light weights!!
1 Pure Cardio Day - 20 minutes (stationary bike), 15 minutes (stair climber)

ALSO I ORDERED EVERYTHING TODAY AND IT SHOULD BE IN LATER THIS WEEK!!

[pu12en12g]

:eek: Awesome intro ! :eek:

[SagerBB]

Minor Update 3/28
I am really just getting in the habit of posting daily as well as logging my "break in" "free of supplements" period. This is a very trimmed down log as my "official" log will be very detailed.

Wednesday 3/28:
1. Cardio 10 minutes (stationary bike), 30 minutes (treadmill)
2. Lat Pulldown 10@75 lbs, 12@85 lbs, 10@85lbs
3. Cable Rows 10@60 lbs, 12@75 lbs, 10@75lbs

Again very light just breaking in all parts of my body.

Today I feel very very very sore all over so walking around like an old man. I think this is going to be a very good log for people who are starting out or starting back up since that is exactly what I am doing.

I am also interested to see how the supplements will help my recovery time. Since next week I will be doing full workouts each day + cardio, I can compare to my previous "start-ups" and there recovery times.

On another note: I ordered my supplements through Bodybuilding.com yesterday and guess what.... They shipped yesterday as well! now that is what I call service!

Until tomorrow....

FYI

I forgot to add, that once my official log with the supplements start I will post all my stats and take pictures that day, as well as log my weight and lifts on my "Bodyspace". I probably wont post the pictures of me until halfway point so you can compare to the ones I started with as well as the ones at the end. I as well will be "cutting weight" so will tack my diet very closely..

QUESTION: When cutting weight (want to improve my BF %age) how many calories should I eat to be able to lost fat first but yet still build muscle?

[SagerBB]

Another Small Update

Thursday 3/29:
1. Cardio 30 minutes (treadmill), 10 minutes (stationary bike)

I also did few light exercises just to make sure I hit all muscles in my body to get ready for next week. On another note I feel much better as my body is healing up nicely after the initial "back to workout" shock.

So next week I should be good to go and hit they gym 100%

Supplements arriving today? I hope!

[SagerBB]

HUGE UPDATE - THERE HERE!!


It's time to add some color to this log!
http://www.aacovers.com/image/supps.jpg

Well as you can see everything arrived today! Again major kudos to bodybuilding.com store as it only took 2 days from the placement of my order to arrive at my house (Florida to Texas via USPS). Great service I will gladly tell my friends about.

Now the supplements. It appears I received the V2 of the Purple Wraath (v3 has a "grape candy" flavor) which is fine since I am going to be mixing mine with White Flood anyways.

Wife interruption!!

Wife speaking: "honey ummm" (picks up the mixer in its case (the metal attachment has not been attached yet)).

Me:, "Yes dear?"

Wife Speaking: "Since when did bodybuilding.com start selling dildos? And yet a better question is why did you buy one"

Me: (looks at her and falls out of my chair laughing hysterically) and says, "That?s not a dildo that?s a mixer for my protein shakes!, although since they made the metal part detachable I guess it is a dual purpose device ahahahah. Umm give that to me and I am gona hide it from you!"

Wife Speaking: "HAHAHA I knew that would get you fired up."

Interruption Over

Geez I love my wife but for her to even joke about something like that? makes me wonder sometimes. Actualy I may just order another for her ?shakes? ahaha. Bodybuilding needs to start a ?consumer in action section? for their products so we can show off using them LOL.

Back on topic, my schedule for next week with the supplements will be taken like this:


Generic Workout Schedule:
Monday: Cardio / Legs
Tuesday: Cardio / Arms and Abs
Wednesday: Cardio / Shoulders and Traps
Thursday: Cardio / Back
Friday: Cardio / Chest and Abs

This is copied from above, I am just adding serving amounts to it
This is for Week 1 Only:
Workout Days:
Pre-Workout:
- 4:45am 5 Pills Green Bulge
- 5:00am 1 Scoop White Flood
- 5:00am 1 Scoop Purple Wraath
- 5:30am Workout Time
* The Green Bulge will be taken upon waking up since the bottle recommends 45 ? 60 minutes prior to workout. White Flood and Purple Wraath will be mixed together and taken 30 minutes prior to workout. Funny that White Flood doesn?t mention when it should be taken?.

Post-Workout:
- 7:00am 2 Scoops Isopure Zero Carb Protein Shake (mixed with water)

Pre AM Meal:
- 7:30am 2 Pills Diesel Fuel ? (this is being taken as a Thermogenic) CL or PT is this ok to taken 2 hours after taking WF??
- 7:50am Breakfast

Mid Morning Snack
- 9:45am

Pre Mid-Day Meal:
- 11:10am 2 Pills Diesel Fuel
- 11:30am Lunch

Mid Day Snack
- 2:30pm

Pre Evening Meal:
- 4:40pm 1 Pill Diesel Fuel
- 5:00pm Dinner

Before Bed:
- 1 Multivitamin

Non-Workout Days:
Pre AM Meal:
- 7:00am 5 Pills Green Bulge
- 7:30am 2 Pills Diesel Fuel
- 7:50am Breakfast

Mid Morning Snack
- 9:45am

Pre Mid-Day Meal:
- 11:10am 2 Pills Diesel Fuel
- 11:30am Lunch

Mid Day Snack
- 2:30pm

Pre Evening Meal:
- 4:40pm 1 Pill Diesel Fuel
- 5:00pm Dinner

Before Bed:
- 1 Multivitamin


That basically shows what my daily plans is going to be for next week. Of course ill show in detail the information on my diet since I am wanting to cut some weight. Well, I better get back to work before the boss man shows up. Oh yeah nevermind I work from home! AHAHAH I rule, I knew being a computer programmer would come in handy one day.

QUESTIONS:

If I take WF at 5:00am is it ok to take DF at 7:30am?
How does my overall schedule look for week 1?


Till Tomorrow!

[SagerBB]

Small Update

Nothing major today think I am gona rest up until Monday. Kind of sore from yesterday and want to be 100% when on Monday when I start my log and the road to my goals.

CL or PU if you are reading this can you answer my questions above?

Also since I am looking to cut I will be posting my diet in detail and will be using fitday software to track my calories. On the calorie subject how many should I be consuming to cut weight? I will probably lean towards a weak keto type diet to cut the weight as that has helped in the past.

Thanks in advance!

[pu12en12g]

Amazing start to the log !!! :eek:


QUESTIONS:

If I take WF at 5:00am is it ok to take DF at 7:30am?
How does my overall schedule look for week 1?



Which version of DF is it ? The brand new one ?

[SagerBB]

Amazing start to the log !!! :eek:



Which version of DF is it ? The brand new one ?

PU,

Yep the new V12 version.

[SagerBB]

Day: 1 (4/2/07)

Daily Schedule
4:30am - 1 Dosage Green Bulge (5 pills)
4:45am - 1 Scoop White Flood and 1 Scoop Purple Wraath with 32oz of water
5:30am - Cardio
6:00am - Weightlifting
6:40am - 1 Serving Isopure protein (2 scoops)
8:30am - Breakfast
11:30am - 2 Diesel Fuel V12
12:00pm - Lunch
6:30pm - 1 Diesel Fuel V12
7:00pm - Dinner



Cardio
Stationary Bike
10 minutes

Treadmill
20 minutes

Max OT - Arms

Biceps:
Straight Bar Curls
30 x 10 (warm up)
50 x 6
50 x 6

Alternating Dumbbell Curls
20 x 10 (warm up)
30 x 6
30 x 6

Cable Curls
40 x 10 (warm up)
60 x 6

Triceps
Cable Push-downs
40 x 10 (warm up)
70 x 6
70 x 6

Lying Triceps Extensions
20 x 10 (warm up)
30 x 6
30 x 6

Dumbbell Kick-backs
10 x 10 (warm up)
15 x 6

Forearms
Barbell Wrist Curls
30 x 10 (warm up)
50 x 6
50 x 6

Dumbbell Wrist Curls
20 x 10 (warm up)
30 x 6

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MAX-OT Workout - So far I seem to be liking it. I know this isn't a log about the workout routine so much but I think the way in which someone works out is vital to the results they will get from the supplements. I am keeping the weight light as it states too in week 1 so next week will be closer to my max weight range.

As well the way I am weight lifting, as MAX-OT suggests, is to do a warm up set (I chose 10 reps) then find a weight you can do to failure 6 - 8 times or 4 - 6 times depending on the exercise. This is totally different from the way I used to work out doing a hundreds of reps and a ton of sets. I understand the logic behind MAX-OT and can't wait to see how it works for me.

During the lifts I would go twice as slow down (or to the starting position) as I would go up (or do the lift). with only 4 - 6 reps (or 6 - 8) this was achievable and each rep was a near perfect rep.

Supplements
Since this is a stack I will be evaluating them as a whole since I could not tell you which gave me the "pumps", "energy", "focus" etc. As well I will only be going over taste the first week, I do think this is important but results are more important then the flavor. The reason I think this should be taken into consideration is nausea could be a product of a bad flavor or aftertaste and that is something you DO NOT want during a workout.

(the categories are borrowed form ncangey's log - hope you don't mind!)

Taste (Week 1 only): (10/10)
Now now what do we have here? A 10 already!!! Your probably thinking I was paid off huh? Well guess what... I wasn?t. I can't comment on White Flood or Purple Wraath alone but combined with 32oz of ICE COLD water OMG! it was a pleasure to drink esp. early in the morning. I am not sure how v3 of Purple Wraath tastes but I love this version. You really don't need it any more sweet then it already is. Id almost say the two combined taste almost too sweet... but I won't. - Green Bulge, well I can say there wasn?t a horrid smell like you get from some of the "pressed" pills since its in a capsule and the taste.... tasteless!

Energy/Focus: (7/10)
Energy I gave a 5, but this is biased for a few reasons and I think could of easily of been a 10. Now for the reasons why Energy was only a 5 (partly my fault). Well when we got back in town last night we found our AC wasn?t working! and living in south Texas this is a huge problem lol. Luckly it got down to 73 last night and I was able to sleep about 4 hours. As well I started working out 30 minutes earlier and didn't realize the sleep I was missing out on. So tomorrow should yield closer to the actual results on a proper nights rest. Now for the focus, easily a 10! ... Whoa wait a sec another 10 you say. Yes a 10! I did not once look at the timer on either cardio exercises or care who was in my way at the weights I was in the mode that you either working out in the same gym as I am or in my way. There was no waiting or moving out of other peoples way. I was on a one way track and never left it. All in al la great workout!

Pumps/Vascularity: (8/10)
Pumps/Vas is an 8 which again could of been a 10 but I think due to lack of sleep this caused my body to tire even more. I noticed on cardio that my rotations on the stationary bike where much hirer then normal, so I was pumping out the rotations much faster then I usually did. That is a plus for sure. When lifting weights to me a pump is when your lifting the weight and you don?t think you can get it up then BOOM you get the strength to do so kind of like a runners second wind. I must have gotten this feeling like 10 times during my workout.

Stamina/Endurance: (8/10)
Well as I said before I completed my entire workout on 4 hours asleep :clap::clap: Great product so far.

Recovery: (*/10)
I cannot comment on this are yet as this is only day one.

Side Effects:
A few things need to be mentioned.

First - I think I took the WF/PW a little to early as it kicked in about 5:15am and my legs and arms where full of tingles. Not bad ones just like random spots having that "sleep" feeling. Since I didn't get to the gym until 5:30am I was a little wierded out. Once I started cardio though all was good.

Second - my heart rate was normal on the machines but I noticed once I got it up (normally about 125) on the same settings, my heart rate was stable about 133 or so. I figured this would happen as its a stimulant just something to mention.

Third - As with other takers I have experienced some bowel irritation. Seeing I have borderline IBS (just never diagnosed with it) this doesn't surprise me. As well my system usually takes a week or two to get used to the supplements and higher level of protein intake. I noticed the irritation about an hour after my workout. Again just something worth mentioning.



Overall:
I am so far, only day 1 remember, very happy with the stack! There is nothing I can really ask for more except the gains which I hope are coming. STAY TUNED!

Diet:
Breakfast:
3 Large Eggs
2 Pork Sausages

Lunch:
4oz chicken fajita meet
1/2 cup greenbeans

Dinner:
6 chicken wings
1/2 cup greenbeans
1 ear of corn

Until tonight/tomorrow! Be Strong

[SagerBB]

How do yall like my layout?

[SagerBB]

Day: 2 (4/3/07)

Daily Schedule
4:30am - 1 Dosage Green Bulge (5 pills)
5:15am - 1 Scoop White Flood and 1 Scoop Purple Wraath with 32oz of water
5:30am - Cardio
6:00am - Weightlifting
6:40am - 1 Serving Isopure protein (2 scoops)
8:30am - Breakfast
11:30am - 2 Diesel Fuel V12
12:00pm - Lunch



Cardio
Stationary Bike
10 minutes

Stairclimber
10 minutes

Max OT - Shoulders\Traps

Shoulders:
Military Barbell Press
60 x 10 (warm up)
75 x 6
75 x 6

Seated Dumbbell Press
25 x 10 (warm up)
35 x 6
35 x 6

Standing Side Lateral Raises
15 x 10 (warm up)
20 x 6
20 x 6

Traps
Barbell Shrugs
60 x 10 (warm up)
95 x 6
95 x 6

Upright Rows
45 x 10 (warm up)
65 x 6
65 x 6

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MAX-OT Workout - Still loving it. Very sore so it must be working
* One note, the stiar climber killed my energy level but WF brought it to life again!

Supplements
(the categories are borrowed form ncangey's log - hope you don't mind!)

Taste (Week 1 only): (10/10)
Again can't say much more then I love the stuff! I did try to add more water but was just terribly to much to drink before a workout. Id say anywhere from 25 - 30oz with 2 scoops is good.

Energy/Focus: (8/10)
Today during cardio I was tearing it up on the treadmill. I am part Japanese (25%) so we don't sweat a whole lot but today I proved I can lol! I felt so good that I went to the stairclimber and got my ass kicked. Won't do that again before a workout thats for sure. Otherwise my energy and focus was damn near spot on!

Pumps/Vascularity: (9/10)
Pumps where great once again! I felt strong durning my cardio and all the way though my workout. Why only a 9? I still think with my body getting used to the mass of supplements I am loading it up with, in the next few weeks I will see some massive pumps!

Stamina/Endurance: (8/10)
Same for this one at an 8. The reason for the 8 was becuase during the stairclimber I lost a ton of energy doing that, so I need to learn to conserve when doing cardio and weights.

Recovery: (*/10)
I cannot comment on this are yet as this is only day one.

Side Effects:
A few things need to be mentioned.

First - Ok a little different today. I drank my WF/PW up to 5:30 instead of the 30 minutes earlier as I did yesterday. I got to the gym about 5:35 and within the first 5 minutes on the bike felt the "flood" take over. To me this feels like god showering me with a pringly sensation. This was gerat but would rather it kick in before I get to the gym as the "sensation" is kind of distracting.

Second - my heart rate was still slightly elevated and would maintain this elevation during cardio easier then before (stationary bike 128ish now 135)

Third - Again slight bowel irratation that has followed throughout the day. I will give it a week or so and bet my body will adapt. Keto + supplements = instant ****s!



Overall:
I am so far, only day 2 remember, very happy with the stack! There is nothing I can really ask for more except the gains which I hope are coming. STAY TUNED!

Diet:
Breakfast:
2 Large Eggs
2 Pork Sausages

Lunch:
2 large chicken breasts (fried but deskinned)
1/2 cup greenbeans
1 cup fried okra

* Will update tonight

Until tonight/tomorrow! Be Strong

[CHUCK DIESEL]

sub (also why are u not using DF pre-workout?)

[SagerBB]

sub (also why are u not using DF pre-workout?)

Thanks for following along with my log Chuck! To answer your question, I did not think it was ok to take DF with White Flood in the am together. Is this incorrect?

Thanks!

[CHUCK DIESEL]

Thanks for following along with my log Chuck! To answer your question, I did not think it was ok to take DF with White Flood in the am together. Is this incorrect?

Thanks!


Oh, forgot White FLood was a NO/stimulant product. yeah just go with pre-meal.

[SagerBB]

Questions
*For Chuck Diesel and Controlled Labs

Tomorrow at 10:30am I will be taking a blood, pee test for health insurance, the reason is due to high liver enzymes on my last test that my doctor chalked up to a latic acid build up due to the start of me working out. That was about a year ago. I want to make sure my tests are as clean as possiable for tomorrow so should I not take my round of supplements before my 5:30am workout tomorrow or will it even matter.

From the time I finish my last supplement to the time I take the test will be 5 hours.

Thanks guys,

Chris

[CHUCK DIESEL]

Questions
*For Chuck Diesel and Controlled Labs

Tomorrow at 10:30am I will be taking a blood, pee test for health insurance, the reason is due to high liver enzymes on my last test that my doctor chalked up to a latic acid build up due to the start of me working out. That was about a year ago. I want to make sure my tests are as clean as possiable for tomorrow so should I not take my round of supplements before my 5:30am workout tomorrow or will it even matter.

From the time I finish my last supplement to the time I take the test will be 5 hours.

Thanks guys,



Chris

well for diesel fuel 12 hours prior is ok, but the green tea, ala and all that in DF would just lower your lactic acid levels. Also I wouldnt workout that day if ur taking a lactic acid test bc ur levels are going to be higher. But if there testing liver enzymes, I dont think u can change the results of a liver enzyme test in 1 day. Lactic acid yeah, but not liver enzymes.

[Skull Crusher Chris]

Nice looking log! scribed, i have been interested in BU so I will definitely be following. My log is similar to yours WF,GG,GM,PW. Good Luck and keep up the hard work:D

[CONTROLLED LABS]

Day: 2 (4/3/07)

Daily Schedule
4:30am - 1 Dosage Green Bulge (5 pills)
5:15am - 1 Scoop White Flood and 1 Scoop Purple Wraath with 32oz of water
5:30am - Cardio
6:00am - Weightlifting
6:40am - 1 Serving Isopure protein (2 scoops)
8:30am - Breakfast
11:30am - 2 Diesel Fuel V12
12:00pm - Lunch



Cardio
Stationary Bike
10 minutes

Stairclimber
10 minutes

Max OT - Shoulders\Traps

Shoulders:
Military Barbell Press
60 x 10 (warm up)
75 x 6
75 x 6

Seated Dumbbell Press
25 x 10 (warm up)
35 x 6
35 x 6

Standing Side Lateral Raises
15 x 10 (warm up)
20 x 6
20 x 6

Traps
Barbell Shrugs
60 x 10 (warm up)
95 x 6
95 x 6

Upright Rows
45 x 10 (warm up)
65 x 6
65 x 6

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MAX-OT Workout - Still loving it. Very sore so it must be working
* One note, the stiar climber killed my energy level but WF brought it to life again!

Supplements
(the categories are borrowed form ncangey's log - hope you don't mind!)

Taste (Week 1 only): (10/10)
Again can't say much more then I love the stuff! I did try to add more water but was just terribly to much to drink before a workout. Id say anywhere from 25 - 30oz with 2 scoops is good.

Energy/Focus: (8/10)
Today during cardio I was tearing it up on the treadmill. I am part Japanese (25%) so we don't sweat a whole lot but today I proved I can lol! I felt so good that I went to the stairclimber and got my ass kicked. Won't do that again before a workout thats for sure. Otherwise my energy and focus was damn near spot on!

Pumps/Vascularity: (9/10)
Pumps where great once again! I felt strong durning my cardio and all the way though my workout. Why only a 9? I still think with my body getting used to the mass of supplements I am loading it up with, in the next few weeks I will see some massive pumps!

Stamina/Endurance: (8/10)
Same for this one at an 8. The reason for the 8 was becuase during the stairclimber I lost a ton of energy doing that, so I need to learn to conserve when doing cardio and weights.

Recovery: (*/10)
I cannot comment on this are yet as this is only day one.

Side Effects:
A few things need to be mentioned.

First - Ok a little different today. I drank my WF/PW up to 5:30 instead of the 30 minutes earlier as I did yesterday. I got to the gym about 5:35 and within the first 5 minutes on the bike felt the "flood" take over. To me this feels like god showering me with a pringly sensation. This was gerat but would rather it kick in before I get to the gym as the "sensation" is kind of distracting.

Second - my heart rate was still slightly elevated and would maintain this elevation during cardio easier then before (stationary bike 128ish now 135)

Third - Again slight bowel irratation that has followed throughout the day. I will give it a week or so and bet my body will adapt. Keto + supplements = instant ****s!



Overall:
I am so far, only day 2 remember, very happy with the stack! There is nothing I can really ask for more except the gains which I hope are coming. STAY TUNED!

Diet:
Breakfast:
2 Large Eggs
2 Pork Sausages

Lunch:
2 large chicken breasts (fried but deskinned)
1/2 cup greenbeans
1 cup fried okra

* Will update tonight

Until tonight/tomorrow! Be Strong
looking great keep it up.


Questions
*For Chuck Diesel and Controlled Labs

Tomorrow at 10:30am I will be taking a blood, pee test for health insurance, the reason is due to high liver enzymes on my last test that my doctor chalked up to a latic acid build up due to the start of me working out. That was about a year ago. I want to make sure my tests are as clean as possiable for tomorrow so should I not take my round of supplements before my 5:30am workout tomorrow or will it even matter.

From the time I finish my last supplement to the time I take the test will be 5 hours.

Thanks guys,

Chris

before a blood or piss test I always tell people to lay off all supps for at least a week, since you never know what an insurance company may be looking at and a week off every once in awhile is good anyway.

[SagerBB]

well for diesel fuel 12 hours prior is ok, but the green tea, ala and all that in DF would just lower your lactic acid levels. Also I wouldnt workout that day if ur taking a lactic acid test bc ur levels are going to be higher. But if there testing liver enzymes, I dont think u can change the results of a liver enzyme test in 1 day. Lactic acid yeah, but not liver enzymes.


Thanks Chuck! I am not really worried about it, its either on my family plan or through my work. Where just trying to find the cheapest route. Now to update my log with yesterdays workout.

[SagerBB]

looking great keep it up.


before a blood or piss test I always tell people to lay off all supps for at least a week, since you never know what an insurance company may be looking at and a week off every once in awhile is good anyway.

Thanks CL,

I just got the test rescheduled :) No biggie they didn't mind I just said Easter is coming early this year.

Chris

[SagerBB]

Nice looking log! scribed, i have been interested in BU so I will definitely be following. My log is similar to yours WF,GG,GM,PW. Good Luck and keep up the hard work:D

cboesger,

Awesome man I am loving the stack so far. I actually had a meeting this morning and wasen't able to hit the gym and now I am left wishing I could of. Maybe I can get it in tonight. Well, gona update log with yesterdays workout, it was a good one.

[SagerBB]

Day: 3 (4/4/07)

Daily Schedule
4:30am - 1 Dosage Green Bulge (5 pills)
5:00am - 1 Scoop White Flood and 1 Scoop Purple Wraath with 32oz of water
5:30am - Cardio
6:00am - Weightlifting
6:40am - 1 Serving Isopure protein (2 scoops)
8:30am - Breakfast
11:30am - 2 Diesel Fuel V12
12:40pm - Lunch
6:00pm - 2 Diesel Fuel V12
6:30pm - Dinner



Cardio
Stationary Bike
20 minutes - Carido style

Stairclimber
10 minutes - Easy Setting

Max OT - BACK

Lat Pull Downs
70 x 10 (warm up)
100 x 6
100 x 6

Seated Cable Rows
60 x 10 (warm up)
100 x 6
100 x 6

Individual Arm - Lat Pull Downs
60 x 10 (warm up)
80 x 6
80 x 6

Hyper Extensions (Weighted)
body weight x 10 (warm up)
25 x 6
25 x 6

==================================================


MAX-OT Workout - Still loving it. Still getting sore so all is good! I might combine two days exercises into one so I can have two days full cardio. What do yall think?

Supplements
(the categories are borrowed form ncangey's log - hope you don't mind!)

Taste (Week 1 only): (10/10)
Again can't say much more then I love the stuff! This time I used just 30oz of water and all was good and smooth.

Energy/Focus: (10/10)
10/10 TODAY! Today was a great cardio day. This time I did 20 minutes on the stationary bike and 10 minutes on the stair climber on an easy setting to get used to it.

Pumps/Vascularity: (9/10)
Pumps where great once again, even though I was so sore but pumps kept me going! I felt strong durning my cardio and all the way though my workout. Why only a 9 still? Becuase I still think with my body getting used to the mass of supplements I am loading it up with, in the next few weeks I will see some massive pumps!

Stamina/Endurance: (8/10)
The reason for the 8 is becuase I am still recovering from this weeks workout lol. Loss of energy recovering, so I think splitting cardio and weightlifting is good.

Recovery: (6/10)
Recovery has been so so. I think once I get the supplements flowing through me more and over this initial hump I will be good to go.

Side Effects:
A few things need to be mentioned.

First - Ok I am convienced that 25 - 30oz of water is the perfect amount. I drank my WF/PW at 5:00 today and it kicked in at the perfect time.

Third - Again slight bowel irratation that has followed throughout the day. MUCH MUCH better then previous two days.



Overall:
I am so far, only day 3 remember, very happy with the stack! I took this morning off for a meeting and I am actually craving WF/PW shake, DF is keeping me going strong!

Diet:
Breakfast:
2 Large Eggs
1 Pork Sausages
1 small bowl of oatmeal

Lunch:
Hu-Dat Resturant
2 cups marinated beef
2 cups Kim Che
1 spring roll

Dinner:
1 cup of cabbage
1 cup of ground beef

Until tomorrow! Be Strong

[pu12en12g]

Sounding solid ! :cool:

[SagerBB]

Day: 4 (4/6/07)

Daily Schedule
4:30am - 1 Dosage Green Bulge (5 pills)
5:00am - 1 Scoop White Flood and 1 Scoop Purple Wraath with 32oz of water
5:30am - Cardio
6:00am - Weightlifting
6:40am - 1 Serving Isopure protein (2 scoops)
8:30am - Breakfast
11:30am - 2 Diesel Fuel V12
12:40pm - Lunch
6:00pm - 2 Diesel Fuel V12
6:30pm - Dinner



Cardio
Stationary Bike
10 minutes - Carido style

Max OT - CHEST

Bench Press
130 x 10 (warm up)
150 x 6
150 x 6

Incline Dumbbell Press
30 x 10 (warm up)
45 x 6
45 x 6

Machine Pec Fly
70 x 10 (warm up)
90 x 6
90 x 6

==================================================


Supplements
(the categories are borrowed form ncangey's log - hope you don't mind!)

Taste (Week 1 only): (10/10)
This is it for taste! WF and PW is a FANTASTIC tasting stack when mixed together. I really dont see the need for v3 but hey if it tastes even better then wowza! Good job Controlled Labs!

Energy/Focus: (8/10)
Focus During cardio was so so, but hey its Friday and my workout buddy flaked on me. But the weight lifting was spot on!

Pumps/Vascularity: (9/10)
Same as yesterday for pumps good, solid and were there when I needed them.

Stamina/Endurance: (8/10)
The reason for the 8 is becuase I am still recovering from this weeks workout lol. Loss of energy recovering, so I think splitting cardio and weightlifting is good.

Recovery: (6/10)
Recovery has been so so. I think once I get the supplements flowing through me more and over this initial hump I will be good to go.

Side Effects:
All is good!

Overall:
So far I very happy with the stack! I took yesterday off from working out and WF/PW kicked in like I did'nt even miss a day!

Diet:
Breakfast:
2 Large Eggs
1 Slice of Cheese

Lunch:
1 Can of Tuna
Few Sliced Pickles
2 tbsps of Mayo

Dinner:

Until tomorrow! Be Strong

[Stubbs928]

Nice setup. Im thinking about blue-up during the summer. How are you liking it? Also you just need 1 more CL product for a free T-shirt...or 6 more and a free product :D. I just found out that promo like 2 days ago. Sweet deal.

[SagerBB]

Nice setup. Im thinking about blue-up during the summer. How are you liking it? Also you just need 1 more CL product for a free T-shirt...or 6 more and a free product :D. I just found out that promo like 2 days ago. Sweet deal.

Awesome! Where is this promo information.

I ordered the Blue Up but waiting till week 3 or so before taking it. I want to be sure I get a good base as far as weight training, diet, cardio, etc before I take it so I know where the gains are coming from. I also will lax my keto diet to make sure I am getting enough calories for the "pump"

[Stubbs928]

Awesome! Where is this promo information.

I ordered the Blue Up but waiting till week 3 or so before taking it. I want to be sure I get a good base as far as weight training, diet, cardio, etc before I take it so I know where the gains are coming from. I also will lax my keto diet to make sure I am getting enough calories for the "pump"

promo info:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=715594

You have to send in receipts too. Last page has more info

[pu12en12g]

Day: 4 (4/6/07)

Daily Schedule
4:30am - 1 Dosage Green Bulge (5 pills)
5:00am - 1 Scoop White Flood and 1 Scoop Purple Wraath with 32oz of water
5:30am - Cardio
6:00am - Weightlifting
6:40am - 1 Serving Isopure protein (2 scoops)
8:30am - Breakfast
11:30am - 2 Diesel Fuel V12
12:40pm - Lunch
6:00pm - 2 Diesel Fuel V12
6:30pm - Dinner



Cardio
Stationary Bike
10 minutes - Carido style

Max OT - CHEST

Bench Press
130 x 10 (warm up)
150 x 6
150 x 6

Incline Dumbbell Press
30 x 10 (warm up)
45 x 6
45 x 6

Machine Pec Fly
70 x 10 (warm up)
90 x 6
90 x 6

==================================================


Supplements
(the categories are borrowed form ncangey's log - hope you don't mind!)

Taste (Week 1 only): (10/10)
This is it for taste! WF and PW is a FANTASTIC tasting stack when mixed together. I really dont see the need for v3 but hey if it tastes even better then wowza! Good job Controlled Labs!

Energy/Focus: (8/10)
Focus During cardio was so so, but hey its Friday and my workout buddy flaked on me. But the weight lifting was spot on!

Pumps/Vascularity: (9/10)
Same as yesterday for pumps good, solid and were there when I needed them.

Stamina/Endurance: (8/10)
The reason for the 8 is becuase I am still recovering from this weeks workout lol. Loss of energy recovering, so I think splitting cardio and weightlifting is good.

Recovery: (6/10)
Recovery has been so so. I think once I get the supplements flowing through me more and over this initial hump I will be good to go.

Side Effects:
All is good!

Overall:
So far I very happy with the stack! I took yesterday off from working out and WF/PW kicked in like I did'nt even miss a day!

Diet:
Breakfast:
2 Large Eggs
1 Slice of Cheese

Lunch:
1 Can of Tuna
Few Sliced Pickles
2 tbsps of Mayo

Dinner:

Until tomorrow! Be Strong


Nice ! :cool:

[SagerBB]

Day: 5 (4/9/07)

Daily Schedule
4:30am - 1 Dosage Green Bulge (5 pills)
4:45am - 1 Scoop White Flood and 1 Scoop Purple Wraath with 32oz of water
5:30am - Weightlifting
6:20am - 1 Serving Isopure protein (2 scoops)
7:00am - Breakfast
11:30am - 2 Diesel Fuel V12
12:00pm - Lunch
5:30pm - 2 Diesel Fuel V12
6:00pm - Dinner


Max OT - Arms

Biceps:
Straight Bar Curls
40 x 10 (warm up)
60 x 6
60 x 6

Alternating Dumbbell Curls
20 x 10 (warm up)
30 x 6
30 x 6

Cable Curls
40 x 10 (warm up)
60 x 6

Triceps
Cable Push-downs
40 x 10 (warm up)
70 x 6
70 x 6

Lying Triceps Extensions
20 x 10 (warm up)
30 x 6
30 x 6

Dumbbell Kick-backs
10 x 10 (warm up)
15 x 6

Forearms
Barbell Wrist Curls
30 x 10 (warm up)
50 x 6
50 x 6

==================================================


Supplements

Energy/Focus: (9.5/10)
No workout buddy today and I was all go go go! Only reason for a 9.5 is due to the coldness. Energy was great on 4 hours of sleep!!

Pumps/Vascularity: (7/10)
Pumps where pretty good today again I think lacking due to lack of sleep.

Stamina/Endurance: (9/10)
Endurence was good, never felt winded and all reps where nice and clean.

Recovery: (8/10)
Great recovery so far, After last week's "break in" I felt 100% this morning.

Side Effects:


After 2 days off of WF/PW I noticed my stomache tooks a little beating this morning but no where near the first day on it.

Overall:
Well for the start of the second week, I can definatly say I am loving the stack. I am making a slight change and deciding instead of cutting I am just gona go big since my body frame would look super skinny with 180 pounds on it. I am 6' 1" at 205 now and think I just need to turn some fat into muscle. So I have decided to go pure MAX-OT workout and nutrition to get big. (seperate log)

Diet:
Breakfast:
2 Large Eggs
4oz Ham

Lunch:
1 can tuna
2 tbls mayo
5 slices pickles

Dinner:
Cornbeef and Cabbage

[SagerBB]

Day: 6 (4/10/07)

Daily Schedule
4:30am - 1 Dosage Green Bulge (5 pills)
4:45am - 1 Scoop White Flood and 1 Scoop Purple Wraath with 32oz of water
5:35am - Weightlifting
6:30am - 1 Serving Isopure protein (2 scoops)
7:00am - Breakfast
11:30am - 2 Diesel Fuel V12
12:00pm - Lunch


Max OT - Shoulders\Traps

Shoulders:
Military Barbell Press
40 x 10 (warm up)
55 x 10 (warm up)
85 x 6 (10 pound increase)
85 x 6 (10 pound increase)

Seated Dumbbell Press
20 x 10 (warm up)
25 x 10 (warm up)
40 x 6 (5 pound increase)
40 x 6 (5 pound increase)

Standing Side Lateral Raises
5 x 10 (warm up)
10 x 10 (warm up)
15 x 6
15 x 6

Traps
Barbell Shrugs
40 x 10 (warm up)
80 x 10 (warm up)
100 x 6 (5 pound increase)
100 x 6 (5 pound increase)

Upright Rows
30 x 10 (warm up)
50 x 10 (warm up)
80 x 6 (15 pound increase)
80 x 6 (15 pound increase)

*Note I am adding my weight increase since this my second week. They will be alot higher until I get used to or near my max and then from there I will increase by the 1.5% or so Max-Ot calls for.

==================================================


Supplements
Energy/Focus: (10/10)
Was amazing today! Had plenty of sleep and killed in the gym

Pumps/Vascularity: (9.5/10)
Pumps where there throughout the entire workout.

Stamina/Endurance: (10/10)
Never once did I feel winded or tierd... Well until I left the gym but hey I dont't take the stuff for non-weightlifting.

Recovery: (7/10)
Arms a little sore from yesterday but all is good

Side Effects:
None today!

Overall:
Great Stack... Blue Up Stim Free will be added in two weeks!

Diet:
Breakfast:
1 cup Kashi Cereal
3/4 milk
2oz ham

Lunch:
1 cup cabbage
1/2 cup cornbeef

Until tonight/tomorrow! Be Strong

[SagerBB]

Day: 7 (4/11/07)

Daily Schedule
4:30am - 1 Dosage Green Bulge (5 pills)
4:45am - 1 Scoop White Flood and 1 Scoop Purple Wraath with 32oz of water
5:35am - Weightlifting
6:30am - 1 Serving Isopure protein (2 scoops)
7:00am - Breakfast
11:30am - 2 Diesel Fuel V12
12:00pm - Lunch
4:45pm - 2 Diesel Fuel V12
5:30pm - Dinner


Max OT - Back

Shoulders:
Lat Pull Downs
50 x 10 (warm up)
70 x 10 (warm up)
100 x 6
100 x 6

Seated Cable Rows
60 x 10 (warm up)
80 x 10 (warm up)
100 x 6
100 x 6

Individual Arm - Lat Pull Downs
40 x 10 (warm up)
60 x 10 (warm up)
80 x 6
80 x 6

Hyper Extensions (Weighted)
Body Weight x 10 (warm up)
10 x 10 (warm up)
25 x 6
25 x 6

*Note I am adding my weight increase since this my second week. They will be alot higher until I get used to or near my max and then from there I will increase by the 1.5% or so Max-Ot calls for.

==================================================


Supplements
Energy/Focus: (10/10)
No sleep but still killed at the gym

Pumps/Vascularity: (9.5/10)
Pumps where there throughout the entire workout.

Stamina/Endurance: (10/10)
Same as yesterday, great energy throughout

Recovery: (7/10)
Still sore today

Side Effects:
None today!

Overall:
Great Stack... Blue Up Stim Free will be added in two weeks!

Diet:
Breakfast:
1 cup Kashi Cereal
2/3 cup milk


Until tonight/tomorrow! Be Strong

[SagerBB]

Day: 8 (4/12/07)

*Lil update. I have decided to drop the diet and daily planner on this log and just report on the supplements and workout. I have my diet pretty much nailed to the correct calories so no need to list it here. Although I will be listing it in my Max-OT log!



Max OT - Chest

Bench Press
95 x 10 (warm up)
135 x 10 (warm up)
155 x 6
155 x 6

Incline Dumb Bell Press
25 x 10 (warm up)
30 x 10 (warm up)
45 x 6
45 x 6

Machine Fly
70 x 10 (warm up)
85 x 10 (warm up)
95 x 6
95 x 6

Machine Bench Press
97 x 10 (warm up)
97 x 6
97 x 6

==================================================


Supplements
Energy/Focus: (7/10)
Went in the afternoon and just wasen't feeling it... Not sure what the deal was

Pumps/Vascularity: (9.5/10)
Pumps where there but energy drained fast!

Stamina/Endurance: (7/10)
Something to report kinda wierd, I noticed that my chest and body felt real tight today as in air cirrculation, may have been an overloaf of caffine since I had already take two doses of Diesel Fuel and I normaly drink WF/PW on an empty stomache.

Recovery: (9/10)
Felt great today!

Side Effects:
None today!

Overall:
Great Stack... Blue Up Stim Free will be added in two weeks!

Until tomorrow! Be Strong

[pu12en12g]

Nice !!! Loving the log format ! :cool:

[SagerBB]

Day: 9 (4/13/07)



Max OT - Legs

Squat
105 x 10 (warm up)
125 x 10 (warm up)
155 x 6
155 x 6

Machine Leg Extension
70 x 10 (warm up)
85 x 10 (warm up)
105 x 6
105 x 6

Machine Leg Flexion
70 x 10 (warm up)
85 x 10 (warm up)
105 x 6
105 x 6

Machine Calf Extension
105 x 10 (warm up)
125 x 6
125 x 6

==================================================


Supplements
Energy/Focus: (8/10)
Energy was good this morning but after my workout I was shot! Ummm as in energy.. went to bed lol

Pumps/Vascularity: (7/10)
Pumps where there but energy drained fast!

Stamina/Endurance: (10/10)
All was good throughout workout!

Recovery: (9/10)
Felt great today!

Side Effects:
None today!

Overall:
Great Stack... Blue Up Stim Free will be added in two weeks!

Also starting next week, I will be going with 2 scoops of WF to my 1 scoop of PW. No reason really, just going to test it out before going on Blue Up.

Until tomorrow! Be Strong

[cervasa1977]

Day: 9 (4/13/07)



Max OT - Legs

Squat
105 x 10 (warm up)
125 x 10 (warm up)
155 x 6
155 x 6

Machine Leg Extension
70 x 10 (warm up)
85 x 10 (warm up)
105 x 6
105 x 6

Machine Leg Flexion
70 x 10 (warm up)
85 x 10 (warm up)
105 x 6
105 x 6

Machine Calf Extension
105 x 10 (warm up)
125 x 6
125 x 6

==================================================


Supplements
Energy/Focus: (8/10)
Energy was good this morning but after my workout I was shot! Ummm as in energy.. went to bed lol

Pumps/Vascularity: (7/10)
Pumps where there but energy drained fast!

Stamina/Endurance: (10/10)
All was good throughout workout!

Recovery: (9/10)
Felt great today!

Side Effects:
None today!

Overall:
Great Stack... Blue Up Stim Free will be added in two weeks!

Until tomorrow! Be Strong


nice workout and feedback.........good luck with the blue up I think you are going to like it

[SagerBB]

Day: 10 (4/16/07)



Max OT - Arms

Biceps:
Straight Bar Curls
50 x 10 (warm up)
70 x 6 (+10 pounds)
70 x 6 (+10 pounds)

Alternating Dumbbell Curls
20 x 10 (warm up)
30 x 6
30 x 4 (positive failure)

Cable Curls
50 x 10 (warm up)
60 x 6 (moderate easy)
70 x 6 (positive failure)

Triceps
Cable Push-downs
50 x 10 (warm up)
80 x 6
80 x 6

Lying Triceps Extensions
40 x 10 (warm up)
60 x 6
60 x 6

Dumbbell Kick-backs
15 x 6
15 x 6

Forearms
Barbell Wrist Curls
40 x 10 (warm up)
60 x 6
60 x 6

==================================================


Supplements

Energy/Focus: (10/10)
WOOHOOO awesome workout. Someone turned on the sprinklers today cause I was sweating like a stuck pig!

Pumps/Vascularity: (9/10)
Getting better for sure. I have positive failure on some reps and pumped out a few extra

Stamina/Endurance: (9/10)
Endurence was good, never felt winded and all reps where nice and clean.

Recovery: (10/10)
After two days off and taking GB I felt 100% today

Side Effects:
Ahh good!

[SagerBB]

-- QUESTION -

Currently on MAX-OT workout doint the 40protien - 40carbs - 20fat diet

Ok did a few calculators and what I have found is this:

During the week (office chair job) i burn roughly:
2,300 calories

During the weekend (light - moderate activity) I burn roughly:
2,600 calories

Right now I am only in taking about 1500 calories on average a day sometimes getting up to 1800. Should I be taking more?, I want to decrease my body fat percentage but at the same time build muscle. Not necessarily losing weight on the scale just in the mirror.

I guess I have been eating this much for a while besides the junk food I cut out. So maybe I haven't been eating enough all this time I dunno.

Help!!

[SagerBB]

Day: 11 (4/17/07)


Max OT - Shoulders\Traps

Shoulders:
Military Barbell Press
60 x 10 (warm up)
80 x 10 (warm up)
90 x 6 (5 pound increase)
90 x 6 (5 pound increase)

Seated Dumbbell Press
25 x 10 (warm up)
35 x 10 (warm up)
45 x 6 (5 pound increase)
45 x 6 (5 pound increase)

Standing Side Lateral Raises
5 x 10 (warm up)
10 x 10 (warm up)
15 x 6
15 x 6

Traps
Barbell Shrugs
40 x 10 (warm up)
80 x 10 (warm up)
100 x 6
100 x 6

Upright Rows
30 x 10 (warm up)
50 x 10 (warm up)
80 x 6
80 x 6

==================================================


Supplements
Energy/Focus: (10/10)
GREAT DAY - After arms I felt good even though they where a little sore

Pumps/Vascularity: (9.5/10)
Pumps where there throughout the entire workout.

Stamina/Endurance: (10/10)
Never once did I feel winded or tierd... Well until I left the gym but hey I dont't take the stuff for non-weightlifting.

Recovery: (8/10)
Getting better on the recovery!

Side Effects:
None today!

Overall:
Great Stack... Blue Up Stim Free will be added in one week!

[SagerBB]

Day: 12 (4/18/07)



Max OT - Back

Lat Pull Downs
50 x 10 (warm up)
800 x 10 (warm up)
100 x 6
100 x 6

Seated Cable Rows
60 x 10 (warm up)
80 x 10 (warm up)
100 x 6
100 x 4 PF

Individual Arm - Lat Pull Downs
40 x 10 (warm up)
60 x 10 (warm up)
80 x 6
80 x 6

Hyper Extensions (Weighted)
Body Weight x 10 (warm up)
10 x 10 (warm up)
35 x 6 (+10 pound)
35 x 6 (+10 pound)

==================================================


Supplements
Energy/Focus: (10/10)
Another Marvelous day!

Pumps/Vascularity: (9.5/10)
Pumps = Good.

Stamina/Endurance: (10/10)
Same as yesterday, great energy throughout

Recovery: (10/10)
Felt 100% today

Side Effects:
None today!

Overall:
Great Stack

Until tomorrow! Be Strong[/QUOTE]

[SagerBB]

Day: 13 (4/19/07)



FIRST ALL 10 DAY

Max OT - Chest

Machine Bench Press
60 x 10 (warm up)
100 x 10 (warm up)
165 x 6
165 x 6

Incline Dumb Bell Press
30 x 10 (warm up)
40 x 10 (warm up)
60 x 6 (15 Pound Increase!!)
60 x 6 (15 Pound Increase!!)

Machine Fly
70 x 10 (warm up)
80 x 10 (warm up)
90 x 6
90 x 6

Smith Bench Press
105 x 6
105 x 6

==================================================


Supplements
Energy/Focus: (10/10)
Again amazing day! Best Chest day I have had since I started. Probably due to the fact I felt well rested and not sore at all... except my abs from yesterday.

Pumps/Vascularity: (10/10)
GREAT!! I did more weight on the incline dumbbell press then I ever had before.

Stamina/Endurance: (10/10)
FELT 100% today all the way through my workout!

Recovery: (10/10)
Felt great today!

Side Effects:
None today!

Overall:
Great Stack... Blue Up Stim Free will be added in a week

Until tomorrow! Be Strong

[terracotta]

-- QUESTION -

Currently on MAX-OT workout doint the 40protien - 40carbs - 20fat diet

Ok did a few calculators and what I have found is this:

During the week (office chair job) i burn roughly:
2,300 calories

During the weekend (light - moderate activity) I burn roughly:
2,600 calories

Right now I am only in taking about 1500 calories on average a day sometimes getting up to 1800. Should I be taking more?, I want to decrease my body fat percentage but at the same time build muscle. Not necessarily losing weight on the scale just in the mirror.

I guess I have been eating this much for a while besides the junk food I cut out. So maybe I haven't been eating enough all this time I dunno.

Help!!

Not sure which calculator you are using.. but if you weigh 200 lbs you maintenance cals should be higher than that. You are cutting on the avg calories for a 100 lb woman :eek:

What is your goal bodyweight? Guesstimated bodyfat percentage?

[terracotta]

oh, and you are on Max OT, so that is 5x/week lifting..? How long do those sessions take, and how much cardio?

[SagerBB]

Not sure which calculator you are using.. but if you weigh 200 lbs you maintenance cals should be higher than that. You are cutting on the avg calories for a 100 lb woman :eek:

What is your goal bodyweight? Guesstimated bodyfat percentage?

OUCH!

TBH my weight is fine at 204... i am just wanting to cut fat to improve my BF %age.

I am currently 204 at 6'1"

[SagerBB]

oh, and you are on Max OT, so that is 5x/week lifting..? How long do those sessions take, and how much cardio?

Max-OT lifting 5x a week - 30 - 45 minutes
HIIT Cardio 3x a week 15 - 20 minutes

Thanks

[terracotta]

Oh, and do you weigh/measure out foods carefully? Use a program like fitday or nutridiary?

[SagerBB]

Oh, and do you weigh/measure out foods carefully? Use a program like fitday or nutridiary?

Yes I actually bought the fitday program and use it daily.

[terracotta]

OUCH!

TBH my weight is fine at 204... i am just wanting to cut fat to improve my BF %age.

I am currently 204 at 6'1"


Max-OT lifting 5x a week - 30 - 45 minutes
HIIT Cardio 3x a week 15 - 20 minutes

Thanks

Your BMR comes out to 2091 (from http://www.fitwatch.com/qkcalc/bmr.html ).That is the amount of calories you burn if all you do is sleep 24 hours a day. You shouldn't consume below that number.

Plugging sedentary into the calculators implies that you do not do cardio or weightlifting.. which is why those numbers you got are so low.

This is how the activity levels work:


Sedentary - Little or no exercise, desk job
Lightly active - Light exercise, sports 1-3 days per week
Moderately active - Moderate exercise, sports 3-5 days per week
Very active - Hard exercise, sports 6-7 days per week
Extremely active - Hard daily exercise or sports and physical job or twice daily training, i.e marathon, contest, etc.

Your activity level is moderately active. Without the HIIT, I would count it as lightly active at the least.

So, using my calculator (http://www.fitwatch.com/qkcalc/tdcn.html )
I get 2875 calories for maintenance assuming lightly active and 3241 assuming moderately active.

If you want to lose bodyfat AND gain LBM, I wouldn't cut that number down by any more than 500 calories (1 lb bodyfat loss per week), which leaves you with 2375 calories minimum.

So the next question is, how long have you been eating below 2000 cals?

[SagerBB]

Your BMR comes out to 2091 (from http://www.fitwatch.com/qkcalc/bmr.html ).That is the amount of calories you burn if all you do is sleep 24 hours a day. You shouldn't consume below that number.

Plugging sedentary into the calculators implies that you do not do cardio or weightlifting.. which is why those numbers you got are so low.

This is how the activity levels work:

Your activity level is moderately active. Without the HIIT, I would count it as lightly active at the least.

So, using my calculator (http://www.fitwatch.com/qkcalc/tdcn.html )
I get 2875 calories for maintenance assuming lightly active and 3241 assuming moderately active.

If you want to lose bodyfat AND gain LBM, I wouldn't cut that number down by any more than 500 calories (1 lb bodyfat loss per week), which leaves you with 2375 calories minimum.

So the next question is, how long have you been eating below 2000 cals?



Ahh tbh.. my diet hasent changed much since I started the 40/40/20 diet. I am eating healthier but I doubt I really at muh more calories... Alot more junk and fastfood yes. I hope this answers your question. As far as my records go... at least 2 weeks sub 2K cals. But more then likely a lot longer then that.

[terracotta]

Ok.. well you should look at zigzagging calories. Do you have set days for things? Days on the Max OT that are harder?

To maintain your current weight and lose fat, you want to increase your weights in the gym, and eat at maintenance. You've been eating too low, so you have to be careful raising calories, as you may have reduced your BMR.

[SagerBB]

Ok.. well you should look at zigzagging calories. Do you have set days for things? Days on the Max OT that are harder?

To maintain your current weight and lose fat, you want to increase your weights in the gym, and eat at maintenance. You've been eating too low, so you have to be careful raising calories, as you may have reduced your BMR.

Yeah I have figured I did that over the years of bad eating or there lack of. Any hints on where to start as far as a calorie level and then if I can hit that how much to hire it say every week or every other week?

Also should I still shoot for the 40pro/40carbs/20fat ratio when hitting that calorie level?

Thanks! ill owe you one

[terracotta]

you missed the question about days of the week :p ... I will suggest a zigzag plan if you can give me some info about whether your there are some days that are harder/higher caloric burn. Which days do the HIIT go on?

[SagerBB]

you missed the question about days of the week :p ... I will suggest a zigzag plan if you can give me some info about whether your there are some days that are harder/higher caloric burn. Which days do the HIIT go on?

M - F I do MAX-OT Workout either first thing in the AM (5:30am) or at noon, either way the workouts last 30 - 45 min

HIIT Cardio is done 3 times a week (MWF) at 1:30 (these days I workout in the AM) and usually last 15 - 20 minutes

THanks

[terracotta]

Ok.. Start with

Week 1 (average 1914 cals)
MWF - 2200 cals
TU TH - 1800 cals
Sat Sun - 1600 cals

Week 2 (average 2014 cals)
MWF - 2300 cals
TU TH - 1900 cals
Sat Sun - 1700 cals

Week 3 (average 2114 cals)
MWF - 2400 cals
TU TH - 2000 cals
Sat Sun - 1800 cals

Week 4 (average 2214 cals)
MWF - 2500 cals
TU TH - 2100 cals
Sat Sun - 1900 cals

Week 5 (average 2314 cals)
MWF - 2600 cals
TU TH - 2200 cals
Sat Sun - 2000 cals

Week 6 (average 2414 cals)
MWF - 2700 cals
TU TH - 2300 cals
Sat Sun - 2100 cals

Weigh yourself every week (on the same day of the week).
40/40/20 is fine.

[terracotta]

Nutrition/food stuff
http://terracotta2.googlepages.com/eatingforbodybuilding

and you might want to check out the rest of the site.

[SagerBB]

Nutrition/food stuff
http://terracotta2.googlepages.com/eatingforbodybuilding

and you might want to check out the rest of the site.

Good Stuff!

I will follow the weekly calorie intake you suggested, I know I need to eat more its just finding good stuff to eat that is hard :(.

I eat eggs and tuna non stop, other then that it is hit and miss. Any suggestion on good macro foods to add?

[terracotta]

Click that link and scroll down...

My current diet is in my PW log (see sig)

[54bobcat54]

nice log man.
im subscribing to this

[SagerBB]

Ahh two days off! I tore up my legs yesterday and here is me catching up on my journal! Arms today in about an hour.


Day: 14 (4/22/07)



Max OT - Legs

Squat
135 x 10 (warm up)
155 x 10 (warm up)
175 x 6
175 x 6
(OK huge increase from last leg day. Last time I used smith machine and this time did free sqauts and my weight calculations where way off so did a ton more weight! lol Least I know now where to go from here)

Machine Leg Extension
85 x 10 (warm up)
95 x 10 (warm up)
115 x 6
115 x 6

Machine Leg Flexion
75 x 10 (warm up)
95 x 10 (warm up)
115 x 6
115 x 6

Machine Calf Extension
115 x 10 (warm up)
135 x 6
135 x 6

==================================================


Supplements
Energy/Focus: (8/10)
Energy was good this afternoon but since it was leg day and a Sunday I wasn't feeling it much. After my workout my legs where shot!

Pumps/Vascularity: (10/10)
PUMPS WHERE GREAT!!!

Stamina/Endurance: (10/10)
All was good throughout workout! Even when I put a lot more weight on the squat rack.

Recovery: (9/10)
Fellen good today!

Side Effects:
None today!

Overall:
Great Stack... Blue Up Stim ORDERED TODAY

Also starting MONDAY, I will be going with 2 scoops of WF to my 1 scoop of PW. No reason really, just going to test it out before going on Blue Up.

Until tomorrow! Be Strong


QUESTION:
* When drinking WF x 2 scoops mixed with PW x 1 scoop should I drink the entire thing before workout or some a little before and throughout workout?

Thanks!

[SagerBB]

Day: 15 (4/23/07)

NOTE: Today I upped the WF to two scoops and boy I could tell the difference. Body temp went up pumps where fantastic.

I still drank it all before workout and was wondering should I drink it throughout the workout or as I am doing? Thanks



Max OT - Arms

Biceps:
Straight Bar Curls
50 x 10 (warm up)
70 x 6 (+10 pounds)
70 x 6 (+10 pounds)

Alternating Dumbbell Curls
20 x 10 (warm up)
30 x 6
30 x 6

Cable Curls
50 x 10 (warm up)
70 x 6 (moderate easy)
70 x 6 (positive failure)

Triceps
Cable Push-downs
50 x 10 (warm up)
80 x 6
80 x 6

Lying Triceps Extensions
40 x 10 (warm up)
60 x 6
60 x 6

Single Arm Cable Pushdowns
50 x 10
60 x 6
60 x 6

Forearms
Barbell Wrist Curls
40 x 10 (warm up)
60 x 6
60 x 6

==================================================


Supplements

Energy/Focus: (10/10)
WOOHOOO awesome workout. Someone turned on the sprinklers today cause I was sweating like a stuck pig!

Pumps/Vascularity: (10/10)
2 scoops TASTE 2 good and PUMP even better

Stamina/Endurance: (10/10)
Wanted more!

Recovery: (10/10)
After two days off and taking GB I felt 100% today

Side Effects:
NONE!!

Peace!


Workout Album of the day: Black Stone Cherry
SAMPLE: RAIN WIZARD
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xZ0ke6ZcQvc
(Note this is home made video to the song someone made)

[terracotta]

Since taking it all preworkout seems to be working for you, I wouldn't change it. You could always try taking some additional purple wraath during your workout.. experiment :)

[SagerBB]

Since taking it all preworkout seems to be working for you, I wouldn't change it. You could always try taking some additional purple wraath during your workout.. experiment :)

Good Idea!

BTW I am trying my damnest (sp?) to hit the matainence calorie goals! I found I actually like cottage cheese so there is a good snacker! Well I like it once I am chomping on it that first initial sour taste is ..... bareable.

So here inlies the question can I eat a gallon of this stuff a day lol.

[SagerBB]

terracotta,

If your awake I have a question for you. Since I am off keto and can have carbs!, I am thinking about going to ON whey after workout and Muscle Milk (sice it has casien protein) before bed. What do you think. Of course leaving room in my macros for the MM.

Again my goal is to gain LBM and lose the fat.

[terracotta]

terracotta,

If your awake I have a question for you. Since I am off keto and can have carbs!, I am thinking about going to ON whey after workout and Muscle Milk (sice it has casien protein) before bed. What do you think. Of course leaving room in my macros for the MM.

Again my goal is to gain LBM and lose the fat.

It's fine. Total calories matters more than what they are from. I don't know if you've seen my diet, but I have whey + milk before bed.. I gave up on casein, too expensive for me.

[SagerBB]

Day: 16 (4/24/07)



Max OT - Shoulders\Traps

Shoulders:
Military Barbell Press
65 x 10 (warm up)
85 x 10 (warm up)
115 x 6 (10 pound increase)
115 x 6 (10 pound increase)

Seated Dumbbell Press
35 x 10 (warm up)
45 x 6 (5 pound increase)
45 x 6 (5 pound increase)


Standing Side Lateral Raises
5 x 10 (warm up)
10 x 10 (warm up)
15 x 6
15 x 6

Traps
Barbell Shrugs
65 x 10 (warm up)
80 x 10 (warm up)
125 x 6 (5 pound increase)
125 x 6 (5 pound increase)

Upright Rows
40 x 10 (warm up)
50 x 10 (warm up)
80 x 6 (15 pound increase)
80 x 6 (15 pound increase)

==================================================


Supplements
Energy/Focus: (10/10)
Was amazing today! Had plenty of sleep and killed in the gym

Pumps/Vascularity: (9.5/10)
Pumps where there throughout the entire workout.

Stamina/Endurance: (10/10)
Never once did I feel winded or tierd... Well until I left the gym but hey I dont't take the stuff for non-weightlifting.

Recovery: (10/10)
Again another great day!

Side Effects:
None today!

Overall:
Great Stack... Blue Up Stim Free will be added in four days!

* Today I took 2 scoops WF with 1 scoop PF and drank another 1 scoop PF during workout. Might give this a try for another week went pretty well!

[SagerBB]

Day: 17 (4/25/07)



Max OT - Back

Lat Pull Downs
60 x 10 (warm up)
80 x 10 (warm up)
115 x 6
115 x 6

Seated Cable Rows
70 x 10 (warm up)
80 x 10 (warm up)
100 x 6
100 x 6

Individual Arm - Lat Pull Downs
40 x 10 (warm up)
60 x 10 (warm up)
80 x 6
80 x 6

Machine Lat Raise
40 x 10 (warm up)
60 x 10 (warm up)
80 x 6
80 x 6

==================================================


Supplements
Energy/Focus: (10/10)
Another Marvelous day!

Pumps/Vascularity: (10/10)
ON FIRE!!!

Stamina/Endurance: (10/10)
Same as yesterday, great energy throughout

Recovery: (10/10)
Felt 100% today

Side Effects:
None today!

Overall:
Great Stack


ANOTHER ALL 10 DAY!!

terracotta... I found a recipe I love and will probably eat it 3+ times a week let me know what you think of it.

Body Building Pancakes:

3/4 cup of oats (blended)
1/2 cup cottage cheese
3 egg whites
1 whole egg
vanilla and cinnamon to taste.

By my rough estimates (using generic foods on fitrex:)
365 Calories
10g Fat
32g Carbs
35g Protein

Not a bad meal at all!

What do you think. Ill add up the exact calories once I get all my stuff entered in on fitrex.

[SagerBB]

[QUOTE=SagerBB;36150672]
Day: 13 (4/19/07)



YET ANOTHER ALL 10 DAY

Max OT - Chest

Machine Bench Press
70 x 10 (warm up)
145 x 10 (warm up)
205 x 6
205 x 6

Incline Dumb Bell Press
35 x 10 (warm up)
45 x 10 (warm up)
55 x 6 (15 Pound Increase!!)
55 x 6 (15 Pound Increase!!)

Machine Fly
85 x 10 (warm up)
95 x 10 (warm up)
110 x 6
110 x 6

Dumbbell Bench Press
65 x 6
65 x 6

==================================================


Supplements
Energy/Focus: (10/10)
Again amazing day! Best Chest day I have had since I started. Probably due to the fact I felt well rested and not sore at all... except my abs from yesterday.

Pumps/Vascularity: (10/10)
GREAT!! I did more weight on the incline dumbbell press then I ever had before.

Stamina/Endurance: (10/10)
FELT 100% today all the way through my workout!

Recovery: (10/10)
Felt great today!

Side Effects:
None today!

Overall:
Great Stack... Blue Up Stim Free will be added in a week



FREAKING AWESOME DAY!!!

PUMPS WHERE UN-FUK-ING-BELIEVABLE!!!

As well Bodybuilding.com store ROCKS again. Ordered Tuesday and recieved it today!!

5lb tub of ON Extreme Chocolate Milk Protien!! - AMAZING TASTE
2.5lb tub of Muscle Milk Cookies and Creme - First drink tonight
1 bottle - Controlled Labs Blue Up Stime Free - Taking it Monday

Chest day went freaking great!!!

[SagerBB]

Woops forgot to edit the above!!

Day: 18 (4/28/07)


Ok so I missed Leg Day last week and decided to double up (Legs and Arms) today. Boy was I glad I took the supplements because I was exhuasted after this workout.


Day: 19 (4/30/07)



Ok
[b] Max OT - Arms & Legs

Biceps:
Straight Bar Curls
40 x 10
50 x 10
70 x 6
70 x 6

Alternating Dumbbell Curls
20 x 10
25 x 10
30 x 6
30 x 6

Cable Curls
40 x 10
50 x 10
70 x 6
70 x 6

Triceps
Cable Push-downs
40 x 10
50 x 10
80 x 6
80 x 6

Lying Triceps Extensions
40 x 10
60 x 6
60 x 6

Single Arm Cable Pushdowns
50 x 10
60 x 6
60 x 6

Forearms
Barbell Wrist Curls
40 x 10
60 x 6
60 x 6

Max OT - Legs
Max OT - Legs

Squat
135 x 10
155 x 10
155 x 10

Machine Leg Extension
95 x 10
115 x 6
115 x 6

Machine Leg Flexion
95 x 10
115 x 6
115 x 6

==================================================


Supplements

Energy/Focus: (10/10)
WOOHOOO awesome workout. Someone turned on the sprinklers today cause I was sweating like a stuck pig!

Pumps/Vascularity: (10/10)
2 scoops TASTE 2 good and PUMP even better

Stamina/Endurance: (10/10)
Wanted more!

Recovery: (10/10)
After two days off and taking GB I felt 100% today

Side Effects:
NONE!!

Peace!

[SagerBB]

Day: 19 (5/1/07)



Max OT - Shoulders\Traps

Shoulders:
Military Barbell Press
65 x 10
85 x 10
115 x 6
115 x 6

Seated Dumbbell Press
35 x 10 (warm up)
55 x 6
55 x 6

Standing Side Lateral Raises
5 x 10
10 x 10
15 x 6
15 x 6

Traps
Barbell Shrugs
65 x 10
85 x 10
125 x 6
125 x 6

Upright Rows
45 x 10
65 x 10
95 x 6
95 x 6
==================================================


Supplements
Energy/Focus: (10/10)
Was amazing today! Had plenty of sleep and killed in the gym

Pumps/Vascularity: (10/10)
Just Shreded my traps today!! Pumps where there throughout the entire workout.

Stamina/Endurance: (10/10)
Never once did I feel winded or tierd... Well until I left the gym but hey I dont't take the stuff for non-weightlifting.

Recovery: (10/10)
Again another great day!

Side Effects:
None today!

Overall:
Great Stack... Blue Up Stim Free will be added in four days!



Seriously does it get any better then this?

[SagerBB]

Day: 20(5/2/07)



Max OT - Back

Lat Pull Downs
60 x 10
80 x 10
115 x 6
115 x 6

Seated Cable Rows
60 x 10
80 x 10
115 x 6
115 x 6

Individual Arm - Lat Pull Downs
40 x 10
60 x 10
85 x 6
85 x 6

Machine Lat Raise
40 x 10
60 x 10
80 x 6
80 x 6

==================================================


Supplements
Energy/Focus: (10/10)
Another Marvelous day!

Pumps/Vascularity: (10/10)
ON FIRE!!!

Stamina/Endurance: (10/10)
Same as yesterday, great energy throughout

Recovery: (10/10)
Felt 100% today

Side Effects:
None today!

Overall:
Great Stack


ANOTHER ALL 10 DAY!!

[SagerBB]

Day: 21 (5/3/07)



Crappy day today! Didn't eat lunch, low blood sugar, pull a muscle in my stomaches right at the beginning of my workout doing machine bench press, but I struggled through it. NEVER WILL I MISS ANOTHER MEAL.


Forgot to add on Monday... I added stim-free Blue up this week!

Max OT - Chest

Machine Bench Press
145 x 10
195 x 10
215 x 6
215 x 6 (AHHH PAIN IN STOMACHE ON 6th REP!!!)

Incline Dumb Bell Press
35 x 10
45 x 10
55 x 6
55 x 6

Machine Fly
85 x 10
95 x 10
110 x 6
110 x 6

Dumbbell Bench Press
55 x 6
55 x 6

==================================================


Supplements
Energy/Focus: (3/10)
Again didn't eat lunch caused low blood sugar ****ty workout!

Pumps/Vascularity: (6/10)
Blood was flowing and pumps where there but no energy

Stamina/Endurance: (5/10)
Felt like I was zapped but an energy sucking god.

Recovery: (10/10)
Felt great today!... until I pulled a stomache muscle

Side Effects:
None today!

Not good at all today.. So I decided to take some pics of the half way point. I will end this log with the finishing of my bottle of Blue Up where I will start my cutting log. As for now I am semi bulking by eating healthy and adding lean mass but not trying to lose weight.


Picture Time
Front Double Bi:

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z45/SagerBB/doublebi.jpg

Front Relaxed:

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z45/SagerBB/relaxedfront.jpg

Back Relaxed:

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z45/SagerBB/relaxedback.jpg





Comments Welcome!! Thanks

[pu12en12g]

Seriously does it get any better then this?

Nice !! :cool:

[SagerBB]

-- Little Update..

Seems that muscle strain or pull I had could of just been a bad 5 minute cramp... Kind of wierd seeing I was doing bench press and lifted my leg just a bit to catch myself. Muscles man who knows really...

Just reporting al is good today! Leg day :) So gona try to tear em up before leaving to NY on Monday.

[pu12en12g]

Any updates man ? :cool: