"offical Nba Discussion Thread"

[Lloyd Braun]

Really I don't think it is all that bad of an idea for LA either. Kobe's 29, and the rate they are going with cap space, draft picks they arn't going to win anything with Kobe and just waste his prime. They might as well rebuild. They would get some very nice peices to jump start a rebuild by trading him.

I would wonder where he'd go. I can't see Kobe playing in anything but a major market so essentially that leaves Chicago or New York. He isn't going to Miami. I can't see Kobe in Boston either. Philly? Wasn't he born in Philly? That may be a possiblity. I can't see any of the major Western conference players trading for him either, at least with the personnel they have.

It would be very eerie seeing Kobe in Chicago.

[Crestor]

imagine if the LA gm traded Kobe to Miami to piss him off

too bad Miami has nothing but Wade and Shaq

[kooldude]

I would wonder where he'd go. I can't see Kobe playing in anything but a major market so essentially that leaves Chicago or New York. He isn't going to Miami. I can't see Kobe in Boston either. Philly? Wasn't he born in Philly? That may be a possiblity. I can't see any of the major Western conference players trading for him either, at least with the personnel they have.

It would be very eerie seeing Kobe in Chicago.

Philly? Haha. thats worse than what he has to work with in LA.

[lacey23]

I would wonder where he'd go. I can't see Kobe playing in anything but a major market so essentially that leaves Chicago or New York. He isn't going to Miami. I can't see Kobe in Boston either. Philly? Wasn't he born in Philly? That may be a possiblity. I can't see any of the major Western conference players trading for him either, at least with the personnel they have.

It would be very eerie seeing Kobe in Chicago.

Yeah, I think it's pretty much big market, with a possibility of winning, and probably in the east. The only real logical choice I think is Chicago, which would be really weird, lol. He's not going to the knicks, they just arn't good. The Pistons could, or the Bulls are the only teams I could see.


Chicago could work. Nocioni, Ben Gordon, and their first round pick for Kobe.

They took less for Shaq. :)

That's kind of what I'm thinking too, . That would be a devistating team, especially if they used the triangle offense imo.

Hinrich is a great defender, and 3pt shooter. Perfect pg for Kobe. Deng is pretty damn good now, and Ben is a great defender and rebounder. Still missing a post guy, but if they could do Duhon+ Thyrus Thomas for a guy like Randolph they'd tear up the East.

[Compoundlift83]

Well it looks like Kobe is gonna screw over us laker fans yet again, I dont see Jerry West coming back or the lakers signing anyone, so Im sure Kobe is gone, I just hope they are smart about the trade if it happens and not get a few decent players, I think hes gonna be a bull and I could see them winning a championship.

[mr_moto_civic]

^ Not so fast. West may come back as a part-timer. West has Laker in his blood.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/46265/20070528/west_may_return_to_lakers_part_time/

[Compoundlift83]

It should get interesting, I hope Kobe stays but if he leaves I hope it goes down as Kobe going to Chicago and the lakers getting Luol Deng,Tyrus Thomas, and Hinrich

[lacey23]

^ Not so fast. West may come back as a part-timer. West has Laker in his blood.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/46265/20070528/west_may_return_to_lakers_part_time/

That was quick. I wonder if that's enough though. Kobe said in the first one that he wants West in charge of everything, and that one says he'd be a consultant.

[Compoundlift83]

Also this you guys answer me this, if Kobe stays who thell are they gonna get in the offseason, Kwame Brown and Odom are injured so they cant be traded right now,Who the hell would take Radmonovich? with their salary cap they cant really get any big time players, I guess they might pick up a decent player and their just gonna bank on Bynum turning into a star

[lacey23]

Also this you guys answer me this, if Kobe stays who thell are they gonna get in the offseason, Kwame Brown and Odom are injured so they cant be traded right now,Who the hell would take Radmonovich? with their salary cap they cant really get any big time players, I guess they might pick up a decent player and their just gonna bank on Bynum turning into a star

That's kind of why I think they should trade Kobe. They're stuck over the cap untill Kobe's 31 which means no free agent signings that'll be any good. http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm . They are never going to get a decent draft pick with Kobe on the team beacasue he'll make them good enough to be mid lottery. They have nobody to trade, no one wants injured players or scrubs.

IF they got Luol Deng, and Ben Gordan that would be an awesome young core coupled with Bynum and they'd peak at the same time. They'de be bad enough to get a high lottery pick next year to fill in a hole. Imo if they keep Kobe there they are just going to be a treadmill team.

[Compoundlift83]

That's kind of why I think they should trade Kobe. They're stuck over the cap untill Kobe's 31 which means no free agent signings that'll be any good. http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm . They are never going to get a decent draft pick with Kobe on the team beacasue he'll make them good enough to be mid lottery. They have nobody to trade, no one wants injured players or scrubs.

IF they got Luol Deng, and Ben Gordan that would be an awesome young core coupled with Bynum and they'd peak at the same time. They'de be bad enough to get a high lottery pick next year to fill in a hole. Imo if they keep Kobe there they are just going to be a treadmill team.

Very true,but even so I gotta say if Kobe leaves I'll probably cry myself to sleep or make an excuse to get ****faced :D, but him being there kind of does screw up the organization BUT on the other hand KOBE BRYANT puts asses in seats in L.A. brings in huge national ratings, and sells a lot of merchandise, so if you get rid of Mcckie,cook,parker,brown,williams, radmonovich, you still dont have enough on the salary cap and like you said no one wants to take injured or ****ty players, maybe they could figure something out, Kuttchip really did do some stupid **** though as a G.M.

[mr_moto_civic]

Hey, I ventured over to the ESPN boards. They're a rough bunch - popular opinion over there is that Kobe is a total Bitchtard, who got exactly what he wanted, and now is crying.

[lacey23]

Very true,but even so I gotta say if Kobe leaves I'll probably cry myself to sleep or make an excuse to get ****faced :D, but him being there kind of does screw up the organization BUT on the other hand KOBE BRYANT puts asses in seats in L.A. brings in huge national ratings, and sells a lot of merchandise, so if you get rid of Mcckie,cook,parker,brown,williams, radmonovich, you still dont have enough on the salary cap and like you said no one wants to take injured or ****ty players, maybe they could figure something out, Kuttchip really did do some stupid **** though as a G.M.

Yeah I guess that is true. They've gotta be banking quite a bit off Kobe, even though the team really isn't all that good. They'd loose out on a whole lot of national tv money.

I really don't understand how he messed up so bad. He turned a championship caliber team into a fringe playoff team and I don't know if the could turn it around.

Maybe if they can sign artest cheap for the MLE, trade Bynum+ Farmer+ Grants contract for a Vetran like Garnett. Get Kwame to get a little better, just play D rebound. Trade Odom for a Pg that can defend and shoot the 3.

Something like

Hinrich or someone like him
Kobe
Artest
Garnett
Kwame

Could do, but I dont know if that's realistic.

[lacey23]

Hey, I ventured over to the ESPN boards. They're a rough bunch - popular opinion over there is that Kobe is a total Bitchtard, who got exactly what he wanted, and now is crying.

Real GM boards seem to be a bit better.

[joelz54_99]

Spurs are gonna whoop dat ass tonight. fo sho r'ly

[mr_moto_civic]

Real GM boards seem to be a bit better.

What's a real GM board?

[vegHead]

I would wonder where he'd go. I can't see Kobe playing in anything but a major market so essentially that leaves Chicago or New York. He isn't going to Miami. I can't see Kobe in Boston either. Philly? Wasn't he born in Philly? That may be a possiblity. I can't see any of the major Western conference players trading for him either, at least with the personnel they have.

It would be very eerie seeing Kobe in Chicago.

Philly fans cant stand him though, remember the all satr game there? Because of his salary it would be hard to trade with chicago as they would have to give them Ben wallace's contract and since LA would be attempting to rebuild they would not want a piece oft that. The Clippers and the Nets are two of the only teams I could see him waving his NTC for and they will never trade him to the clips and what could NY offer? Frye, lee and what francis or someone, dunno its complicated but since he basically created the mess in LA he should deal with the consequenses

[Compoundlift83]

Yeah I guess that is true. They've gotta be banking quite a bit off Kobe, even though the team really isn't all that good. They'd loose out on a whole lot of national tv money.

I really don't understand how he messed up so bad. He turned a championship caliber team into a fringe playoff team and I don't know if the could turn it around.

Maybe if they can sign artest cheap for the MLE, trade Bynum+ Farmer+ Grants contract for a Vetran like Garnett. Get Kwame to get a little better, just play D rebound. Trade Odom for a Pg that can defend and shoot the 3.

Something like

Hinrich or someone like him
Kobe
Artest
Garnett
Kwame

Could do, but I dont know if that's realistic.


Yeah that would be a decent line up, im still pissed at Kupchick for the Shaq trade, I mean couldnt the guy of tried to get Wade and some other decent players and the one decent player they get {Caron Butler} gets traded for a extremely mediocre player in Kwame Brown, also last year signing mckie was stupid, and that Radmonovich turned out to be a flake, maybe this year they can get their **** together, if they do sign someone to go with Kobe I think it will be artest or Jermaine O'Neal, even if that was the case i still dont see them as a contender,or maybe somehow get a good suns player over her like Diaw, Barbosa, or Raja Bell over here

[Deadly Dingo]

Yeah that would be a decent line up, im still pissed at Kupchick for the Shaq trade, I mean couldnt the guy of tried to get Wade and some other decent players and the one decent player they get {Caron Butler} gets traded for a extremely mediocre player in Kwame Brown,

Blame kobe for that, not kupchick, he put pressure on the team by threatening to sign with the clips if they didnt get rid of shaq, and miami took advantage. If kobe was more patient then lakers could of held out for DWade in that trade. Pat Riley would have eventually given in to the temptation cause it was unknown that Wade would become what he has become.




On another note, Brandon Roy had an eerily similar Rookie Season to DWade, and when shaq joined the heat it triggered Wade to go into rampage mode.

Wondering if the addition of Oden will have the same sort of affect on Roy.

[BNR]

West is really loyal to the lakers, I see him coming back and being a consultant. Even if West becomes a consultant I bet you he'll still be calling the shots. I'm a lakers fan and I'd like to see kobe, bynum, farmar, walton, and turiaf stay, get rid of the rest

[lacey23]

What's a real GM board?

http://realgm.com/boards/index.php?sid=a5e166aa1abb908c3b0d8907dac434a6

[Lloyd Braun]

I think when it's all said and done, Kobe is still going to be a Laker. LA isn't going to get anything near equal in return, and if they do their roster isn't going to be changed so dramatically that they would then be something of a contender. Dealing Kobe to Chicago for Deng or Gordan is plain-out idiotic, no offense to either Deng or Gordan, who are fantastic players in their own right, but neither really have the ability to put fans in seats like Kobe (and yes I know that Chicago led the league in attendence this year).

I actually feel a bit sympathetic for Kobe. He's the best perimeter in the league since Jordan, and in his prime he has little to show for it, not because of any fault through his own but simply because he had the misfortune of playing out his prime with a squad of nobodys. The guy needs help, serious help. I'd really like to see Garnett in LA, but unless a third team is involved somehow it isn't happening. Odom and Bynum for Garnett? Ain't happening.

What kind of insane general manager would trade both Kobe and Shaq?! I just don't see it happening. Dealing Shaq was a monumental mistake, but probably something that had to be done. Dealing Kobe, in his prime no less, is flat-out an unforgivable sin.

[niospecv]

It's over for the Jazz. Spurs will win it at home in 5 games.

[Compoundlift83]

The spurs are winning it this year, this Detroit team that took them to 7 games 2 years ago is NOT going to do it this year, 2 years ago they had the key to Detroits blue collar get it done type game BEN WALLACE,I just see Webber choking in the finals like he always does as far as the big games and such and just dont see THIS Pistons team hanging with the spurs

[niospecv]

I think when it's all said and done, Kobe is still going to be a Laker. LA isn't going to get anything near equal in return, and if they do their roster isn't going to be changed so dramatically that they would then be something of a contender. Dealing Kobe to Chicago for Deng or Gordan is plain-out idiotic, no offense to either Deng or Gordan, who are fantastic players in their own right, but neither really have the ability to put fans in seats like Kobe (and yes I know that Chicago led the league in attendence this year).

I actually feel a bit sympathetic for Kobe. He's the best perimeter in the league since Jordan, and in his prime he has little to show for it, not because of any fault through his own but simply because he had the misfortune of playing out his prime with a squad of nobodys. The guy needs help, serious help. I'd really like to see Garnett in LA, but unless a third team is involved somehow it isn't happening. Odom and Bynum for Garnett? Ain't happening.

What kind of insane general manager would trade both Kobe and Shaq?! I just don't see it happening. Dealing Shaq was a monumental mistake, but probably something that had to be done. Dealing Kobe, in his prime no less, is flat-out an unforgivable sin.

I don't like Kobe but do think he is a great player. The Lakers are in a tough spot. Unless another player steps up Kobe will never win a championship. THis must really piss him off considering that Shaq won a title without him. The difference between Kobe and Jordan is that Jordan realized that the entire game doesn't revolve around him. Jordan won his first title when he was 28 and it was then that he started getting his teammates involved. Of course Chicago had the right pieces and the Lakers have to badly address that.

[OTG]

I always wonder if people outside texas like the spurs? only people from austin and sa seem to love the spurs... anyone in other states like the spurs?!?!

[mr_moto_civic]

I don't like Kobe but do think he is a great player. The Lakers are in a tough spot. Unless another player steps up Kobe will never win a championship. THis must really piss him off considering that Shaq won a title without him. The difference between Kobe and Jordan is that Jordan realized that the entire game doesn't revolve around him. Jordan won his first title when he was 28 and it was then that he started getting his teammates involved. Of course Chicago had the right pieces and the Lakers have to badly address that.

The Kobe fans are gonna hate me, but I'd give the nod to Shaq. He was the leader of the Lakers during those formidable years, and Kobe developed and thrived under his leadership. Now Shaq is ready to bow out of the player role, and he might just go into the team ownership role. Of course, Kobe is now the 'Hot Shot' in his prime, but (for whatever reason) he has no supporting cast. Shaq was leading and winning championships in his best years, but Kobe is just spinning his wheels.

[-Aaron-]

Recent reports out of Milwaukee on a local news station is, they are looking to shop the #6 pick. These reports have come, up apparently because they feel Al Horford will be off the board.

[kooldude]

Yeah, I think it's pretty much big market, with a possibility of winning, and probably in the east. The only real logical choice I think is Chicago, which would be really weird, lol. He's not going to the knicks, they just arn't good. The Pistons could, or the Bulls are the only teams I could see.



That's kind of what I'm thinking too, . That would be a devistating team, especially if they used the triangle offense imo.

Hinrich is a great defender, and 3pt shooter. Perfect pg for Kobe. Deng is pretty damn good now, and Ben is a great defender and rebounder. Still missing a post guy, but if they could do Duhon+ Thyrus Thomas for a guy like Randolph they'd tear up the East.

It looked good until you included Tyrus Thomas, haha. This guy could be real good if he ever develops the fundamentals.

And Randolph has past character issues.

[lacey23]

It looked good until you included Tyrus Thomas, haha. This guy could be real good if he ever develops the fundamentals.

And Randolph has past character issues.


Yeah, I just figure if they had Kobe, and Wallace they would need to win now. No time to wait for TT to develop.

I'm not a big fan of Randolph at all but he's the only low post guy that can give you 20/10 in the league that's on the trading block. Character issue suck but if Rasheed Wallace and BigBen can be on a championship team, I'de think Randolph could be alright.

[Compoundlift83]

I dont like the spurs but I dont like pistons I dont which one to go for!!!!!,I personally like to see the cavs win it all but I dont think its possible, if Cleveland somehow got into the finals the spurs would eat them alive and spit them out

[Lloyd Braun]

I always wonder if people outside texas like the spurs? only people from austin and sa seem to love the spurs... anyone in other states like the spurs?!?!

I'm lukewarm on the Spurs. Ginobili rocks and is by far the most likeable person on the squad. Duncan is likeable character-wise but his game is boring. Ironic considering how many pundits decry the lack of fundamentals in today's game and yet the game's best big-man is all about them. I like Parker's game too but he's a walking candy-apple. He's hideous. Cut to Eva Longoria plz.

And there's Bowen. Need I say more. I do like the Spurs team game though. I don't understand how anyone can say they are boring to watch. They aren't the Avery Johnson walk-the-ball-up-the-court squad that they were a few years ago. The Spurs are actually one of the best fastbreak teams in the league today. It just so happens that their halfcourt game is top-notch too. Very few weaknesses.

[porcupinetree]

I'm lukewarm on the Spurs. Ginobili rocks and is by far the most likeable person on the squad. Duncan is likeable character-wise but his game is boring. Ironic considering how many pundits decry the lack of fundamentals in today's game and yet the game's best big-man is all about them. I like Parker's game too but he's a walking candy-apple. He's hideous. Cut to Eva Longoria plz.

And there's Bowen. Need I say more. I do like the Spurs team game though. I don't understand how anyone can say they are boring to watch. They aren't the Avery Johnson walk-the-ball-up-the-court squad that they were a few years ago. The Spurs are actually one of the best fastbreak teams in the league today. It just so happens that their halfcourt game is top-notch too. Very few weaknesses.

Gino does nothing but flop. He's a talented player, but a complete punk. Parker dives to the floor so much too. It's sickening.
Spurs players are more concerned about drawing fouls than making baskets.
And they whine so much whenever they get called for fouls...

If the spurs get to the finals, I will not watch one second of it.
I think this years' finals will be the lowest rated ever. Fans are getting fed up.

[niospecv]

Gino does nothing but flop. He's a talented player, but a complete punk. Parker dives to the floor so much too. It's sickening.
Spurs players are more concerned about drawing fouls than making baskets.
And they whine so much whenever they get called for fouls...

If the spurs get to the finals, I will not watch one second of it.
I think this years' finals will be the lowest rated ever. Fans are getting fed up.

I'm sure the NBA will still manage to go on without your support.

[Lloyd Braun]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2007/news/story?id=2885705

Looks like Hughes is out for Game 4. :(

He hasn't had a great series offensively but he's been stopping Chauncey for the most part. Somebody needs to step up.

[niospecv]

Hughes has a partial tear in his foot. Yeah he is done.

[AK47.]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2007/news/story?id=2885705

Looks like Hughes is out for Game 4. :(

He hasn't had a great series offensively but he's been stopping Chauncey for the most part. Somebody needs to step up.
The Cavs were 3-0 without Hughes last year(in the Pistons series) & won the last game, this year, with him barely playing.

[Compoundlift83]

bump

Why is everyone making a big deal about Hughes ,hes not that big of a factor, I believe if Cleveland wants a better team they need a better Point guard than Larry Hughes or Eric Snow

[Compoundlift83]

I got to say Cleveland played great tonight and that Cleveland point guard Daniel Gibson had a hell of a game he made like 12 out of 12 free throws alone

[krogtaar]

hughes used to be the cavs leading guard, but is shot has sucked the entire playoffs. He's a pretty good defender anyway, and still better than eric freaking snow

[niospecv]

I got to say Cleveland played great tonight and that Cleveland point guard Daniel Gibson had a hell of a game he made like 12 out of 12 free throws alone

Do you know why Gibson is a badass? He is a badass because he is a Texas Longhorn. Hook 'em Horns!!!!!!!!!! \m/

[NorthernRaZ]

Instead of "Detroit basketball", everyone at the bar started cheering Detroit sucks my balls. I got a good laugh out of it. Go Cleveland!

[BigDreams21]

Instead of "Detroit basketball", everyone at the bar started cheering Detroit sucks my balls. I got a good laugh out of it. Go Cleveland!
lol

[Compoundlift83]

Bump

Alot of trouble brewing in L.A.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakers30may30,0,2064134.column?coll=la-home-center

[Compoundlift83]

Cliffs on Kobe story today:

Kobe said in the article I just posted that:
Buss had took him aside in the 2004 season and told him Shaq isnt being resigned

He was very close to signing a $100 million dollar deal for 6 years with the clips but was given $136 million for 7 years with the lakers and was "promised" the front office would do everything possible to become a "contender"

Was very pissed that the front office traded Caron Butler for Kwame Brown{really that was pretty ridiculous}

Was not happy on picking Jordan Farmar last year

Was pissed in the last couple of years the lakers front office didnt go after :Baron Davis,Carlos Boozer, or Ron Artest

Also said in the next two years if the team is not a contender he wants out

[lacey23]

Bump

Alot of trouble brewing in L.A.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakers30may30,0,2064134.column?coll=la-home-center

Wow,

**** seems to be heating up definitly. I read this article on it this morning. Was pretty harsh on Kobe.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-kobe052907&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[niospecv]

That rapist needs to die. kthanxbai

[lacey23]

^
lol, I don't know why people hate Kobe. He's the closest thing to Jordan since he left. Best player in the league, hardest worker in the league. Jordan had adultery claims just like Kobe. Why do people hate the guy?

[niospecv]

^
lol, I don't know why people hate Kobe. He's the closest thing to Jordan since he left. Best player in the league, hardest worker in the league. Jordan had adultery claims just like Kobe. Why do people hate the guy?

Adultery = consensual sex
Rape = forced sex

Yeah Kobe is a saint all right. He is a great player with a ****ty attitude. Jordan was a global icon and is well liked. You don't have to be an @sshole just because you are a great player. He has yet to win a championship on his own.

[lacey23]

Adultery = consensual sex
Rape = forced sex

Yeah Kobe is a saint all right. He is a great player with a ****ty attitude. Jordan was a global icon and is well liked. You don't have to be an @sshole just because you are a great player. He has yet to win a championship on his own.

MJ-Adultery. Kobe-not convicted of rape= Adultery.

She was a hoe that was proved to of had sex with another dude between getting "raped" and going to the hospital. Why would she be so nonchalant about ****ing random guys after being "raped", but all of a sudden have moral's when it comes to having sex with a multi-millionaire sports icon. She wanted money.

MJ had a "****ty attitude" as well if you mean he didn't get along with his teamates. They are both cut from the same cloth and want to win. Kobe hasn't won a chip on his own, but either did MJ or anybody for that matter. He had a top 50 player of all time in Pippen, a future hall of famer in Rodman, The best 3 pt shooter ever in Kerr etc..

People hate Kobe way more then he deserves.

[niospecv]

Reggie Miller has made the most 3pt shots(2,464) and is considered the best 3pt shooter in the history of the NBA. Kerr has made (726) but had the highest percentage. Rodman is questionable as a future hall of famer. Pippen was a great sidekick so I'll give you that one but MJ never had a giant center like Shaq. Kobe will never win another title without a dominant center because he does not like to share the backcourt with anyone. MJ had a way to push people to a higher level while Kobe just ****s on you. MJ elevates everyone around him while Kobe's teammates just stand around and suck their thumbs because god forbid they attempt to score on Kobe's court.

[vegHead]

Might be a tad late but Kobe oficially requested a trade on Stephen A Smiths show today http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2886927

[TheDude824]

so this is the latest word on Kobe?? First he wants to be traded, then he doesnt, now he does? Whats going on here lol.... He needs to come to dallas for dirk and terry!

[lacey23]

Reggie Miller has made the most 3pt shots(2,464) and is considered the best 3pt shooter in the history of the NBA. Kerr has made (726) but had the highest percentage. Rodman is questionable as a future hall of famer. Pippen was a great sidekick so I'll give you that one but MJ never had a giant center like Shaq. Kobe will never win another title without a dominant center because he does not like to share the backcourt with anyone. MJ had a way to push people to a higher level while Kobe just ****s on you. MJ elevates everyone around him while Kobe's teammates just stand around and suck their thumbs because god forbid they attempt to score on Kobe's court.

Come on. MJ fought his teamates. Pippen had to talk to teamates at times because Jordan was too intense and couldn't relate to the others. Kobe, and Jordan are both the same type of people. They both just want to win.

Reggie Miller .396%, Steve Kerr .454%. That's a huge difference. Either way you can't deny Kerr's atleast one of the best 3pt shooters ever.

Rodman had 5 NBA rings with 2 teams, led the league in rebounding 7 years, 2 time defensive player of the year, NBA all defensive team 7 times, atleast get some talk for the hall of fame at a minimum.

Kobe's teamates stand around because they are absolutly terrible. Smush Parker, and Kwame Brown are starting for this team.

Kobe ****s on you while MJ push's players to higher level? He had good players around him, kobe has nobody. When you're working out of the high post, and kick it out to either Kerr, or Smush Parker you're going to have a pretty big difference. MJ scored more then Kobe so how is kobe the one ****ting on his team? A big knock of MJ for years was that he would never win because of the type of player he was, not making his team better but when he had the right players he won chips. Same goes for Kobe. With the right good players he would win chips too.

Guy gets way too much hate.

[Compoundlift83]

Might be a tad late but Kobe oficially requested a trade on Stephen A Smiths show today http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2886927

Bump , than later on said Phil Jackson calmed him down and he wants to be a laker, if the guys gonna be a complete ******* maybe he should leave ,you know his teammates this year are going to resent playing with the guy

[mr_moto_civic]

Bump , than later on said Phil Jackson calmed him down and he wants to be a laker, if the guys gonna be a complete ******* maybe he should leave ,you know his teammates this year are going to resent playing with the guy

You know, I have to agree. He already dissed his team awhile back (then went back on it). Now he's going back and forth with his silly "Trade me - Don't trade me - Trade me - Don't trade me, I want to be a friggin' Laker". ****! Is this dude having bi-polar fits or what? I think the primadonna should just leave. Then the Lakers could get a good trade off and really start to rebuild.

[niospecv]

Okay off the Kobe talk. Go Spurs! They will be well rested for whatever 2nd place teams that faces them in the championship series. =)

[Compoundlift83]

Bump

[Tex24]

Okay off the Kobe talk. Go Spurs! They will be well rested for whatever 2nd place teams that faces them in the championship series. =)

QFMFT

[thejuggernaut]

is it just me or is the officiating in this game HORRIBLE

[Krunk Fu]

is it just me or is the officiating in this game HORRIBLE

Horrible both ways. And horrible FT shooting at the end by the Cavs. If the Cavs lose, it was missing all the free throws in the last couple minutes. This might be the 3rd blown game at the Palace.

[Compoundlift83]

The cavs are just giving this game away!!!!!!!!!!

[Mansewerz]

Spurs, so who do u think is a bigger threat to them? Pistons or cavs

[Jorday]

well that sucked

[Compoundlift83]

WOW the Detroit -Cleveland game was crazy,I'd love to see Cleveland win this series it would be pretty cool, but I STILL feel for Cleveland to win a championship they need a extra star on the team

[Compoundlift83]

Cleveland fans your team better have their **** together tonight ,Detroit is gonna be no push over

[niospecv]

Cleveland fans your team better have their **** together tonight ,Detroit is gonna be no push over

Ummmm...yeah they sorta beat their asses to the ground.

[BigDreams21]

Ummmm...yeah they sorta beat their asses to the ground.
No they didn't. I think you sorta missed the game. The final score does not do justice. Pistons gave up with plenty of time to go after 'Sheed got ejected.

[illmatic8]

No they didn't. I think you sorta missed the game. The final score does not do justice. Pistons gave up with plenty of time to go after 'Sheed got ejected.

Again, I ask...who are you trying to convince? us or yourself? ;)

[BigDreams21]

Again, I ask...who are you trying to convince? us or yourself? ;)
Add one more to the list of who missed the game (yes illmatic8)

:)

[niospecv]

No they didn't. I think you sorta missed the game. The final score does not do justice. Pistons gave up with plenty of time to go after 'Sheed got ejected.

I suppose Gibson's 31 points means nothing then huh? After all he is just a rookie. It's okay if your team lost. Everything is going to be all right. I'm a Spurs fan so Cleveland or Detroit it wouldn't have mattered.

[BigDreams21]

I suppose Gibson's 31 points means nothing then huh? After all he is just a rookie. It's okay if your team lost. Everything is going to be all right. I'm a Spurs fan so Cleveland or Detroit it wouldn't have mattered.
No.

My boys went to the Eastern Finals the past 5 years, and to the NBA Finals 2 out of those 5 years, winning the championship once. I'm not worried. It was yet another year of success for the Pistons.

[Lloyd Braun]

It was yet another year of success for the Pistons.

Losing four straight games to a team which is really not a whole lot more than one superstar and losing a series in which the Pistons were heavily favored to win doesn't consitute a "failure" in your boat?

[BigDreams21]

Losing four straight games to a team which is really not a whole lot more than one superstar and losing a series in which the Pistons were heavily favored to win doesn't consitute a "failure" in your boat?
They made an Eastern Conference Finals appearance... this means they made it to the final cut for the NBA finals.

edit: So, no, the season was not a failure.

[niospecv]

They made an Eastern Conference Finals appearance... this means they made it to the final cut for the NBA finals.

edit: So, no, the season was not a failure.

There is no success in falling short of winning it all. Look at the Braves of the 90s and how many time they won their division. They only won the World Series once during that run and are considered a failure. Now the Spurs on the other hand have been to the finals and have won each time. Add another one this year when they dismantle the Cavaliers.

[kooldude]

The Pistons are held to a different standard than a weaker team. They are expected to be in the Finals and since they didn't, this season is a failure.

[sammy21]

Ok now that this season is all wrapped up, let's look forward to next year and the bulls :)

Man I hope they don't get Kobe through that trade that people are speculatng about, we don't want that bitch

[Compoundlift83]

Cleveland fans I apologize for my constant putdowns of Cleveland, I didnt think they had it in them but wow they did it

[BigDreams21]

There is no success in falling short of winning it all. Look at the Braves of the 90s and how many time they want their division. They only won the World Series once during that run and are considered a failure. Now the Spurs on the other hand have been to the finals and have won each time. Add another one this year when they dismantle the Cavaliers.
I suppose we disagree then. As a Pistons fan, I am satisfied with the season, and will call it a success.

[Compoundlift83]

Ok now that this season is all wrapped up, let's look forward to next year and the bulls :)

Man I hope they don't get Kobe through that trade that people are speculatng about, we don't want that bitch

Oh Im sure theres fans in Chicago that would love to get a hold of Kobe, Persoanlly being a laker fan I say **** it trade Kobe for Deng, Gordon, and a bench guy

[lacey23]

Cleveland fans I apologize for my constant putdowns of Cleveland, I didnt think they had it in them but wow they did it
x2.

I'm really suprised by them. Didn;t think they had it in them. Game 5. WOW.

Atleast I don;t have to watch Pistons/Spurs in a defensive juggernaut

[effen5]

I suppose we disagree then. As a Pistons fan, I am satisfied with the season, and will call it a success.

SEriously? Pistons fans should be disapointed.

[BIG JOHNNY C]

Is basketball still going on? My gawd its June already/ Saw a game on last week it was so boring I switched to watch girls softball on ESPN

[niospecv]

Is basketball still going on? My gawd its June already/ Saw a game on last week it was so boring I switched to watch girls softball on ESPN

Same thing can be said about hockey. It's such a boring sport and by far the worse compared to NFL, NBA, and MLB.

[sammy21]

Oh Im sure theres fans in Chicago that would love to get a hold of Kobe, Persoanlly being a laker fan I say **** it trade Kobe for Deng, Gordon, and a bench guy

See that's the thing, if we trade Gordon Deng and Noc or Duhon we would be the Lakers. Deng and Gordon have way too much potential.

[lacey23]

His last report was that he's staying with the Lakers. Lakers have been offered Camby for Kwame. I think it was Jermaine O'neal for Bynum, and Odom.

If they could get artest somehow they will be a decent team and I doubt he'll leave.

[sammy21]

His last report was that he's staying with the Lakers. Lakers have been offered Camby for Kwame. I think it was Jermaine O'neal for Bynum, and Odom.

If they could get artest somehow they will be a decent team and I doubt he'll leave.

They're not going to give up Bynum and why the hell would the Nuggests want to give Camby for Kwame?

[lacey23]

They're not going to give up Bynum and why the hell would the Nuggests want to give Camby for Kwame?

IT was in the LA Times that the Nuggets want to get rid of some salary with Carmelo, and Iverson onthe roster. Kwame's a decent enough defender for now for them, but he is a expiring contract. The LA Times had it reported Kwame and a scrub for Camby. Can't find the article, but here's a Thread talking about the trade. http://realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=668488

Pretty much all trades have involved Bynum for a while. He's still raw so they need some one ready to step in now and win wiht Kobe if he stays. There's a million Jermail O'neal threads here and there has been talk in the papers. Pretty much looks like a deal would be JO for Odom, and Bynum.http://realgm.com/boards/viewforum.php?f=19

[BigDreams21]

SEriously? Pistons fans should be disapointed.
Any fan of a team will be disappointed when their team gets eliminated. Of course I was disappointed to see my favorite team lose. However, the season was yet another success.

[vegHead]

They're not going to give up Bynum and why the hell would the Nuggests want to give Camby for Kwame?

Nugges want to shed cap space because with nene/martin/ai/carmello they already have a huge payroll/ Also if they want to keep bryant bynum wil basically have to go.

[Compoundlift83]

Anybody here anything on the Kobe Bryant situation?

[mr_moto_civic]

Anybody here anything on the Kobe Bryant situation?

Here's a little interview he just did
http://cbs2.com/topstories/local_story_156224144.html

He says people have "kinda" misunderstood what he's saying and "kinda" took things the wrong way a "little" bit...

Well, DUH! Who's fault is that? Does the Kobester himself even know what he's saying?

[lacey23]

Here's a little interview he just did
http://cbs2.com/topstories/local_story_156224144.html

He says people have "kinda" misunderstood what he's saying and "kinda" took things the wrong way a "little" bit...

Well, DUH! Who's fault is that? Does the Kobester himself even know what he's saying?

lol,. Yeah a nation full of people got it wrong, Kobe's right, haha. I guess I didn't understand him when he said "I want to be traded".

[Compoundlift83]

Bumped

[Compoundlift83]

Could someone update me on trades and picks please?

[lacey23]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=3407481

First post has a link to the picks. All the deals were discussed in the thread.

[Compoundlift83]

Im pretty happy about Fisher coming back to L.A.

[lacey23]

Anything new with Kobe these days?

[Compoundlift83]

Anything new with Kobe these days?

Hes most likely staying, I saw Mo Peterson left Toronto

[lacey23]

Hes most likely staying, I saw Mo Peterson left Toronto

Yeah no biggie, he didn't play much last year and actually kind of hurt the team. We got Jason Kapono, and Carlos Delfino now though.

[Compoundlift83]

Yeah no biggie, he didn't play much last year and actually kind of hurt the team. We got Jason Kapono, and Carlos Delfino now though.

kapono is a good add on, im not familiar with delfino

i wish the lakers could somehow get rid of this lump of **** as a player known as kwame brown and sign someone else

[Beast Genetics]

http://imageigloo.com/images/9065l_0feb79b051655a4a2a17e99a47b64bf0.jpe

[lacey23]

kapono is a good add on, im not familiar with delfino

i wish the lakers could somehow get rid of this lump of **** as a player known as kwame brown and sign someone else

Yeah Kapono should fit pretty good with our shooting style offense. Apparently he has the best 3pt fg% in the history of the NBA. Delfino was on Detroit but kind of got the darko treatment behind Prince, and Hamilton. He's a good rebounder, defender, and slasher but hasn't got a ton of minutes. Shootings suspect though.

Who'd you guys pick up in the Draft?

[Compoundlift83]

Yeah Kapono should fit pretty good with our shooting style offense. Apparently he has the best 3pt fg% in the history of the NBA. Delfino was on Detroit but kind of got the darko treatment behind Prince, and Hamilton. He's a good rebounder, defender, and slasher but hasn't got a ton of minutes. Shootings suspect though.

Who'd you guys pick up in the Draft?

I dont remember the guys name but hes a guard, so now we have the rookie,Farmar, and Fisher , I think what we need is a inside presence like a power forward and I was reading today that Chris Mihm might not be resigned because signing Fisher puts us over the salary cap, so I think we really need a power forward or a center

[lacey23]

I dont remember the guys name but hes a guard, so now we have the rookie,Farmar, and Fisher , I think what we need is a inside presence like a power forward and I was reading today that Chris Mihm might not be resigned because signing Fisher puts us over the salary cap, so I think we really need a power forward or a center

Just checked you guys got Pau Gasols younger brother, and Javaris Crittenton. Seems like some good pickups. I was really hoping for Marco Belenelli, or rudy frenandez. I guess we were just missed out on Marco. Kinda sucks not ending up with anybody in the draft.

[Compoundlift83]

For those in so cal, the lakers are on right now on channel 9 vs. the warriors

[Compoundlift83]

Im watching the lakers right now, they still seem the same very inexperienced, and no depth , and bad defense, but the year is still young and Odom hasnt even came back,I hate to say it as a die hard laker but Kobe Bryant does deserve much better considering the type of player he is I think he needs to be with a in depth team thats a contender

[Compoundlift83]

yes!!!!!!nba season back up!!!!!!!!


lakers beat the **** out of the suns last night!!!


oh yeah lacey it was cool seeing the nets get embarrassed like that at home

[lacey23]

yes!!!!!!nba season back up!!!!!!!!


lakers beat the **** out of the suns last night!!!


oh yeah lacey it was cool seeing the nets get embarrassed like that at home

yeah that was rediculous game. Every shot was falling for the Raps 60ft buzzer beaters for Bosh, Tj was hitting fadeaways consistantly, and Bargnani hit some weird pump fake, fade away 3, lol. Crazy game.

Lakers were actually looking pretty good. You think Kobe will stay for long?

[PokLim]

RAPTORSS..YEAAAHHH!! destroyed nets...but will get destroyed by boston tomorrow..:(

[lacey23]

RAPTORSS..YEAAAHHH!! destroyed nets...but will get destroyed by boston tomorrow..:(

Should be a good game. Raps usually do good in those sunday afternoon home games. If they get rolling they could take it, but Bostons looking pretty deadly.

[Compoundlift83]

Should be a good game. Raps usually do good in those sunday afternoon home games. If they get rolling they could take it, but Bostons looking pretty deadly.

Yeah but you never know but Boston does look good not only do they have Garnett,Allen,Pierce but Rondo looks really good and they added a solid player in James Posey

[lacey23]

Yeah but you never know but Boston does look good not only do they have Garnett,Allen,Pierce but Rondo looks really good and they added a solid player in James Posey

It's been a ****ty game so far. Toronto can't hit a shot, and arn't really playing their normal game of moving the ball, cutting and gettin wide open shots. A lot of standing around and shooting over people.... 1 on 1's ans bad basketball. Somehow it's close right now.

[Compoundlift83]

It's been a ****ty game so far. Toronto can't hit a shot, and arn't really playing their normal game of moving the ball, cutting and gettin wide open shots. A lot of standing around and shooting over people.... 1 on 1's ans bad basketball. Somehow it's close right now.

Man allen really broke the rap's balls there

[lacey23]

Man allen really broke the rap's balls there

lol yeah that one hurt. That was a carzy end to the game. Don't know if you watched it, but we finally started hitting shots. Went on a run to get it in OT. TJ hits a monster 3 to hopefully take it to a 2nd OT with 4 seconds left. after Bosh and KG had been going at each other on both ends. Then Ray Ray kicked the Raptors square in the balls with 2 seconds left. Can't believe we almost won it shooting .36% for the game. Brutal.

[Compoundlift83]

lol yeah that one hurt. That was a carzy end to the game. Don't know if you watched it, but we finally started hitting shots. Went on a run to get it in OT. TJ hits a monster 3 to hopefully take it to a 2nd OT with 4 seconds left. after Bosh and KG had been going at each other on both ends. Then Ray Ray kicked the Raptors square in the balls with 2 seconds left. Can't believe we almost won it shooting .36% for the game. Brutal.

Yeah I saw the game{Bsketball package}and I thought it was going to 2ot after Ford hit that 3.

If you can check out the Lakers, Bynum is really improving and looks like he added alot of upperbody Mass and seems more dominant and powerful,I read an article here saying he really focused on lower body this offseason but he looks like he put on mass throughout the whole body, I think holding onto him might pay off in the long run the guy is only 2o years old and might be a star in the next few years, Fisher I think has improved the starting line up hes a legit starter that can also play defense,BUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!!!I wish Kwame Brown would somehow get traded, the guy missed a wide open dunk tonight and just sucks,maybe the raps will take him for Bargani :D

[Heartless]

hey you laker fans! what did you think about the last two games? they were pretty great, especially killing the suns like they did. discuss...

[Compoundlift83]

hey you laker fans! what did you think about the last two games? they were pretty great, especially killing the suns like they did. discuss...

well the whole team played well,BUT their defense leaves much to be desired, and injuries also can wreck the year

[Heartless]

well the whole team played well,BUT their defense leaves much to be desired, and injuries also can wreck the year

well in the suns game their defense was pretty darn good actually. and tonight yea it could have been better. hopefully we dont get any more injuries this year. once we get lamar odom back, and he gets his court feet back and meshes with the rest of the team's play once again, they might be real good.

[Compoundlift83]

well in the suns game their defense was pretty darn good actually. and tonight yea it could have been better. hopefully we dont get any more injuries this year. once we get lamar odom back, and he gets his court feet back and meshes with the rest of the team's play once again, they might be real good.

True, So do you agree that Kwame Brown is pretty worthless

[lacey23]

Yeah I saw the game{Bsketball package}and I thought it was going to 2ot after Ford hit that 3.

If you can check out the Lakers, Bynum is really improving and looks like he added alot of upperbody Mass and seems more dominant and powerful,I read an article here saying he really focused on lower body this offseason but he looks like he put on mass throughout the whole body, I think holding onto him might pay off in the long run the guy is only 2o years old and might be a star in the next few years, Fisher I think has improved the starting line up hes a legit starter that can also play defense,BUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!!!I wish Kwame Brown would somehow get traded, the guy missed a wide open dunk tonight and just sucks,maybe the raps will take him for Bargani :D

Yeah me too. Ray Ray was killing us though all game. Boston's gonna be a deadly team I think.

Yeah I think I read that article. Had some pictures of him, and he was looking a lot stronger. He has just as much potential as guys like Dwight, and Oden imo. C's usually take a bit of time to develop and he's already getting there.

Kwame sucks, but atleast he can defend. But I can sympathize with you on missing dunks. Our prized lottery pick a few years ago, lol. http://youtube.com/watch?v=NzI2kqSrBFk

Havn';t had much of a chance to watch them play. Watched a little bit of the suns/LA game though. You think Kobe's going to stick around?

[Heartless]

True, So do you agree that Kwame Brown is pretty worthless

well, he isnt very good. the starting center should be andrew bynum. kwame is an ok reserve though, because he is can usually defend top notch centers good, ie tim duncan, amare stoudamire, etc.. but thats pretty much it to be honest.

[Compoundlift83]

I have to say the lakers seem like their playing better ball but it was like this last year than they collapsed.

Boston looks awesome but until they come out west and handle some western teams im not convinced completely

[Compoundlift83]

Holy crap Lacey the raptors made the bulls look like a bunch of peons

[ltfootball78]

the bulls are pissing me off...

[lacey23]

Holy crap Lacey the raptors made the bulls look like a bunch of peons

Yeah I just watched the game. The Raps were starting to look a little better. We have to get our roster set, and get the chemistry back from last year. Putting that Harlem Globetrotter Jamario Moon into the starting lineup actually worked pertty well though, and he shut down Deng. Feel kind of bad for the Bulls though. They just sucked, and the fans were chanting for Kobe lol.

[mr_moto_civic]

lakers seem to be doing pretty well.. yeah it's early, but they seem to be more of a team and kobe's playing it team-wise.

[mr_moto_civic]

I have to say the lakers seem like their playing better ball but it was like this last year than they collapsed.

...Snipped...

Yeah, I forgot about that! Maybe they will keep it rolling this year.

Where can I get a Laker scorecard for the 2006-2007 season - with all the games they played and scores? Is this stuff on the web?

[kooldude]

haha, the Lakers didn't collapse; they got decimated by injuries.

[Compoundlift83]

haha, the Lakers didn't collapse; they got decimated by injuries.

true odom ,Walton, and Kwame were out alot last year.If everyone stays healthy and Bynum develops I think they can finish 5th or 6th in the west

[Compoundlift83]

I hate to say it but Im turning into a bandwagoner Celtics fan their just so damn fun to watch.


And wow Durant is really coming in to the NBA headfirst

[mr_moto_civic]

true odom ,Walton, and Kwame were out alot last year.If everyone stays healthy and Bynum develops I think they can finish 5th or 6th in the west

the Lakers look pretty good, pretty cohesive... so far.

[Compoundlift83]

the Lakers look pretty good, pretty cohesive... so far.

Yeah true ,but its still early

[Compoundlift83]

Looks like Kwame is out for the year it look like, the bulls should really be handling the bulls tonight but theyre not

[Compoundlift83]

I just found out about the lakers trade and i think its pretty stupid to trade evans,cook I understand trading though,the next laker game is against the celtics and I think the celts are gonna butcher the lakers because their defense is so bad.


It should be an interesting year but at the end of the day we'll see whos the real deal in June

[Ol Dirty Scrapper]

Watch kobe go for 50 against Boston.

[snuffiluffigus]

Nets beat Lakers, or should I say LACKERS? LOL!!!!


Nets FTW

7-1 w/ Vince Carter in the lineup

[soleus]

Watch kobe go for 50 against Boston.

Orly?

[lacey23]

Moon for the Raps has been rediclous pick up. Rookie player that went undrafted. Think he's 2nd out of rookies in blocks, 2nd in steals, 2nd in efficency, 2nd in rebounds, and 6th in scoring.

Put up 15pts, 9reb, 6 blocks, 3 steals, against Chicago last night.


some highlights against chicago

ickVVToIGmQ

[Compoundlift83]

that nets game last night was pathetic as far as defense goes

I sure wish the lakers had Jefferson{healthy of course} he's damn good a southern california guy also.


The raps look good so far and I think they'll finish high in the conference,BUT those damn celtics look rediculsiouly good right now

[tmac4real]

tmac just destroyed the clips.

[Compoundlift83]

Well lakers won against the sonics but didnt look good at all

[mr_moto_civic]

Well lakers won against the sonics but didnt look good at all

It was the "losingist" win I ever saw!

[lacey23]

What's going on with the Bulls? they just flat out suck.

[Ol Dirty Scrapper]

What's going on with the Bulls? they just flat out suck.

Yeah. I guess those kobe rumors really messed their minds up.
Also, a lot of those guys didnt get contract extensions because of those same rumors.
I guess theyre just mentally weak.

[Compoundlift83]

i really almost feel bad for the sonics

[lacey23]

i really almost feel bad for the sonics

Don't feel bad for them man. They'll be rocking when they have Beasly, Rose, Jordan, or Mayo on the same team as Durant for years to come. They got a nice draft comin up.

[CerealKiller]

I can only see the Celtics going so far.

In the last two games they played I have come to the conclusion that Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce cannot win in the critical inch. They may get you to the goal-line, but they won't get you over the goal-line.

With their talent they shouldn't be losing to Cleveland or need a buzzer beater to beat Charlotte.

[lacey23]

I can only see the Celtics going so far.

In the last two games they played I have come to the conclusion that Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce cannot win in the critical inch. They may get you to the goal-line, but they won't get you over the goal-line.

With their talent they shouldn't be losing to Cleveland or need a buzzer beater to beat Charlotte.

The Toronto Raptors in their expansion year beat the 72-10 Bulls during the regular season. Celts arn't going 82-0, I think 11-2 is a damn good start. KG, Ray Ray, and PP is definitly a great group of guys to have in the clutch.

[Compoundlift83]

awesome game tonight with the lakers and warriors, sonics starting to play better

[Spuddy]

celtics at 17-2 baby :D

[soleus]

celtics at 17-2 baby :D

Lets wait until they do a west coast road trip.

[Aussie Flare]

Lets wait until they do a west coast road trip.


I look forward to that... should be interesting..

[Compoundlift83]

Boston has to come to texas,phoenix before anyone gets to excited,But they look good though,Wow Miami sure is struggling

[Compoundlift83]

Boston is still kicking mediocre teams asses{no hater}, I really think the sonics have a great future, Durant will be great if he stays healthy,Green{Bostons 5th pick}has a **** load of potential, wilcox is developing well,and Dominique Wilkins nephew is improving, as far as Phoenix I'll never look at them as anything more as regular season warriors until they win a championship

[Krunk Fu]

Kidd wants to play in Cleveland ;)

[Compoundlift83]

Kidd wants to play in Cleveland ;)

Link?


If you saw the olympic qualifiying games Lebron and Kidd had great chemistry, it certainly make them more legit if they got KIdd

[Krunk Fu]

Link?


If you saw the olympic qualifiying games Lebron and Kidd had great chemistry, it certainly make them more legit if they got KIdd

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?prov=yhoo&slug=aw-kidd120507&type=lgns

Two sources said Kidd has been a constant text messaging partner with LeBron James since playing with him this summer on Team USA and that the Cavaliers are his preferred destination.

"They've been communicating about the (trade) options that could get them together in Cleveland," one Eastern Conference official said.

[Compoundlift83]

if anyone here watched the warriors-lakers game you cant tell me that wasnt the game of the year, I have to the lakers should have won that game and baron davis really broke our balls there

[lacey23]

if anyone here watched the warriors-lakers game you cant tell me that wasnt the game of the year, I have to the lakers should have won that game and baron davis really broke our balls there

Yeah I watched some of it, great game. Bdiddy with a clutch 3 at the end there. Kinda suprised at half time Walton, and the other dude had the raps in their top 5 of most exciting teams to watch.

[Compoundlift83]

Yeah I watched some of it, great game. Bdiddy with a clutch 3 at the end there. Kinda suprised at half time Walton, and the other dude had the raps in their top 5 of most exciting teams to watch.

yeah i really think the lakers should have won that game that lamar odom couldnt seem to hold on to the ball.the raps are pretty good and i think kapono was a good pick up

[lacey23]

yeah i really think the lakers should have won that game that lamar odom couldnt seem to hold on to the ball.the raps are pretty good and i think kapono was a good pick up

Yeah that one last play by Odom was pretty sketchy. Pono's not bad. Wen't off for a big game yesterday scoring 29 points. 5/6 from 3. Guy has a sexy quick release. http://youtube.com/watch?v=3X9i8DrTHcA

[Compoundlift83]

Yeah that one last play by Odom was pretty sketchy. Pono's not bad. Wen't off for a big game yesterday scoring 29 points. 5/6 from 3. Guy has a sexy quick release. http://youtube.com/watch?v=3X9i8DrTHcA

kapono is very good and i think miami was foolish to get rid of him, as far as lamar odom thropughout the night he was dropping balls thrown to him and was pretty careless{hes good but threre seems to something holding him back like killer instinct},also odom missed alot of free throws,anyhow that golden state is exciting i was pissed though they beat l.a.

[Lloyd Braun]

Two really great games tonight on ESPN. Both went down to the wire. I didn't even watch the rest of the second half of the Cavs game (I couldn't bare it, losing to the Knicks for God's sake). I can't wait to see either of these four teams face-off in the playoffs. You can tell it was getting testy out there.

I'd really like to see Phoenix get to the Finals this year. Every year they get right to the cusp. They've been too good for too long to not get there yet. I love watching that team play.

[Compoundlift83]

Two really great games tonight on ESPN. Both went down to the wire. I didn't even watch the rest of the second half of the Cavs game (I couldn't bare it, losing to the Knicks for God's sake). I can't wait to see either of these four teams face-off in the playoffs. You can tell it was getting testy out there.

I'd really like to see Phoenix get to the Finals this year. Every year they get right to the cusp. They've been too good for too long to not get there yet. I love watching that team play.

Well I hope the lakers kick yours cavs asses tonight!!

[Compoundlift83]

Dammit the lakers havent won in Cleveland for four years dammit!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lloyd Braun]

Cavaliers are looking to acquire Andre Miller from the Sixers. Would be a good pick-up, IMHO. Might take losing Gooden though. Cleveland is still in the mix in trying to acquire Kidd, but that deal would be much, much harder. If I had to bet anything, Carter will be traded first. Unfortunately for us, Larry Hughes just might have the absolute worst contract in the NBA, which means we're stuck with a guy at least until his last year, where some unlucky team will pick his sorry ass up for cap relief (according to Bill Simmons Hughes is rated as the 2nd worst contract in the NBA, only above K-Mart's atrocious 4 year 59 mil deal). The guy is starting to get seriously booed everytime he touches the ball up at the Gund.

I'm curious to see what major trade moves are made this year. I've actually been hearing rumors of T-Mac being traded to Chi-town. Total longshot though. Maybe Paul Gasol leaving Memphis? Who knows.

Here is who isn't leaving.

Simmons' 50 most untradeable NBA players of 2007

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/071218

[Lloyd Braun]

Perspacitos' list of most disappointing teams a quarter of the way through the season...

1. Cleveland (12-16) - I'm obviously biased being from Akron but I can't help it. Team defense is atrocious. Larry Hughes...where the hell is that guy again? Does he even play for the Cavs? The entire team's energy level is piss-poor, with the exception of LeBron, Varejao and Devin Brown. Some of these bums have got to go.

2. Miami (8-19) - I honestly don't think the Heat will make the playoffs. They have to go 33-22 just to get to .500. And with Miami's old and slow style, I don't see that happening.

3. Houston (13-15) - I've come to be almost perennially disappointed in Houston since the McGrady deal. One of the big two are always hurt and their ranking is almost always below expectations. Too bad because I genuinly like Yao and the team in general. Always been a fan of Rick Adelman too.

4. Utah (14-15) - There is way too much talent on this team to be playing .500 ball. Too much inconsistency. Another team that is easy to like.

5. New Jersey (12-15) - You would think that a team with Kidd, Jefferson and Carter would at least be a 50-win team on paper in the Eastern Conference. Guess again. Another annual disappointment since the Carter acquisition. They need to shake things up because the current squad is a one-and-done team as is.

[Compoundlift83]

Perspacitos' list of most disappointing teams a quarter of the way through the season...

1. Cleveland (12-16) - I'm obviously biased being from Akron but I can't help it. Team defense is atrocious. Larry Hughes...where the hell is that guy again? Does he even play for the Cavs? The entire team's energy level is piss-poor, with the exception of LeBron, Varejao and Devin Brown. Some of these bums have got to go.

2. Miami (8-19) - I honestly don't think the Heat will make the playoffs. They have to go 33-22 just to get to .500. And with Miami's old and slow style, I don't see that happening.

3. Houston (13-15) - I've come to be almost perennially disappointed in Houston since the McGrady deal. One of the big two are always hurt and their ranking is almost always below expectations. Too bad because I genuinly like Yao and the team in general. Always been a fan of Rick Adelman too.

4. Utah (14-15) - There is way too much talent on this team to be playing .500 ball. Too much inconsistency. Another team that is easy to like.

5. New Jersey (12-15) - You would think that a team with Kidd, Jefferson and Carter would at least be a 50-win team on paper in the Eastern Conference. Guess again. Another annual disappointment since the Carter acquisition. They need to shake things up because the current squad is a one-and-done team as is.
I agree the lakers have similliar issues as cleveland but the young guys:Bynum,farmar,etc are improving

[Compoundlift83]

bump lakers coming along well

[kooldude]

Knicks BABY!!

[Compoundlift83]

oh yeah

wth at boston losoing at home to charlotte

[IllumX]

lakers dismantle the hornets :)

[Compoundlift83]

The lakers aare really starting to gel but im still not a 100 percvent sure because of what happened last year,but they have alot more depth this year with bynum improved and fisher back plus the development of the young guys this crihheton or however his name is spelled "looks" like hell be a star in a few years

[FatalClaw]

Yep lakers are improving this year.
I'd like to see Eddy curry drop some pounds, because he is quick as a cat even with all that fat on him and will still be at a decent size. Knicks will own in a few years. GO KNICKS!

[kooldude]

Yep lakers are improving this year.
I'd like to see Eddy curry drop some pounds, because he is quick as a cat even with all that fat on him and will still be at a decent size. Knicks will own in a few years. GO KNICKS!

I'm a Knicks fan but you're insane.

[neworleans]

wow @ detroit game...golden state isnt doing good either. hope they pull through...

[SupaDJDiesel]

So I bet the under (225) on the Golden State game.

Indeed.

[soleus]

Yep lakers are improving this year.
I'd like to see Eddy curry drop some pounds, because he is quick as a cat even with all that fat on him and will still be at a decent size. Knicks will own in a few years. GO KNICKS!

Are you Isiah's son? All the Knicks will own is a massive luxury tax bill
Are they still paying Luc Longleys 30 mill from 7 yrs ago!

[kooldude]

wow @ detroit game...golden state isnt doing good either. hope they pull through...

HA, it would be awesome if the season ended now because Dallas has the 1st seed and GS has the 8th. Another great series that would be again.

[FatalClaw]

lol, just a knicks fan.

I don't think Lebron and Kidd make a good pair. Lebron has the ball in his hands about 95.5149725% of the time.

[Compoundlift83]

Lakers just blew Washington away,The Lakers are deep,and the West is f'n deep

[Compoundlift83]

West is so f'n deep its rediculious ,personally for me if the lakers fail this year I'd like to see Denver win it all

[Prezidential]

lol, just a knicks fan.

I don't think Lebron and Kidd make a good pair. Lebron has the ball in his hands about 95.5149725% of the time.

Kidd would have helped, but nowhere near the amount people think.

LeBron would be a better duo with the likes of Michael Redd.

[Prezidential]

West is so f'n deep its rediculious ,personally for me if the lakers fail this year I'd like to see Denver win it all

Anyone seeded below the 6th has an insane road to climb.

Suns/Spurs/Lakers.

[Prezidential]

HA, it would be awesome if the season ended now because Dallas has the 1st seed and GS has the 8th. Another great series that would be again.

I wouldn't mind seeing GSW take on Phx instead of Dal this playoffs for a mix up.

[vegHead]

Anyone seeded below the 6th has an insane road to climb.

Suns/Spurs/Lakers.

West is insane I mean dont forget last years #1 seed the Mavs, and the Hornets look pretty tough to beat right now too. Plus Houston is always a dark horse due to T-mac and Yao. But my pick is utah

[Prezidential]

West is insane I mean dont forget last years #1 seed the Mavs, and the Hornets look pretty tough to beat right now too. Plus Houston is always a dark horse due to T-mac and Yao. But my pick is utah

You can name contender after contender out there. Teams like the Warriors would stand a better shot against the Lakers, Suns, Mavs, or even Spurs instead of winding back in Utah, whereas the Nuggets would be able to put up a stronger fight against the Jazz than the Lakers, Spurs, etc.; the matchups will be interesting to say the least.

[vegHead]

You can name contender after contender out there. Teams like the Warriors would stand a better shot against the Lakers, Suns, Mavs, or even Spurs instead of winding back in Utah, whereas the Nuggets would be able to put up a stronger fight against the Jazz than the Lakers, Spurs, etc.; the matchups will be interesting to say the least.

Oh yeah no doubt about that, just look at last years Warriors/mavs series to see how important match ups are. I just have my money on Utah, I thought that Korver trade was perfect as what they needed was a perimeter shooter and they got one.

[fivas15]

Oh yeah no doubt about that, just look at last years Warriors/mavs series to see how important match ups are. I just have my money on Utah, I thought that Korver trade was perfect as what they needed was a perimeter shooter and they got one.

This is the first person I've seen on this forum talk positively about the Jazz. Repped.

[VernonWellsFargo]

LOL at the all star game "daniel gibson made his shot because lebron stepped on the court to get him open"

[deftones9]

ray allen got robbed for MVP of the allstar game...

[Compoundlift83]

I think the Cavs have a shot now, no one seems to remember what they did to Detroit last year.

[AJV31]

damn kidd is still getting his same avgs he got in new jersey,with the mavs
11 rebounds today

[Heartless]

LOL at the all star game "daniel gibson made his shot because lebron stepped on the court to get him open"

lmfao!!


ray allen got robbed for MVP of the allstar game...

yea, but oh well...


I think the Cavs have a shot now, no one seems to remember what they did to Detroit last year.

they have a shot, but it is still like trying to shoot a banana slug in a banana tree.

[Compoundlift83]

Lakers in Sac town tonight,the Nba is very interesting this year

[captain_marvel]

Spurs back at the top of the west and power rankings!

[Compoundlift83]

bump

[Heartless]

Spurs back at the top of the west and power rankings!

not on the sites i checked..

[soleus]

not on the sites i checked..

Where do you check?
They lead NBA.com
ESPN
YAhoo

[mfoster]

i live in Oklahoma and yesterday OKC had a vote to renovate the Ford Center to get us one strep closer to possible having the Sonics.

After the Hornets went back to NO we have been dying to get a team again!


Associated Press

OKLAHOMA CITY - Oklahoma City voters approved a sales tax extension yesterday to fund $121.6 million in improvements to a downtown arena and build a practice facility in hopes of luring an NBA team.

Unofficial returns from the Oklahoma County Election Board showed the measure passed 44,849, or 62% in favor, to 27,564, or 38.1% against. That's with all precincts reporting.

The plan calls for a one-penny sales tax to be extended by 15 months to pay for $97 million in upgrades to the Ford Center and another $24.6 million for a brand new NBA practice facility.

The Seattle SuperSonics are seeking to relocate to Oklahoma City, where owner Clay Bennett lives. NBA owners will vote on the relocation request next month, but the SuperSonics owners' effort to break their lease in Seattle is still pending in federal court.

The Ford Center opened in 2002 and hosted the New Orleans Hornets for two seasons following Hurricane Katrina.

Planned upgrades include restaurants, clubs, suites and new locker rooms.

[Compoundlift83]

I think Boston is going all the way,but you never know

[Compoundlift83]

Phoenix is gettin rocked

[captain_marvel]

Wow I don't know what going on with Phoenix. I dont expect them to stay in this slump though.

[CerealKiller]

Rockets win 16th in a row.

LeBron goes for 50 and 10 assists in win over Knicks.

[fivas15]

Rockets win 16th in a row.

LeBron goes for 50 and 10 assists in win over Knicks.

....and the Jazz win their 16th in a row at home

[CerealKiller]

....and the Jazz win their 16th in a row at home

...but they were playing Minnesota. :D

[fivas15]

...but they were playing Minnesota. :D

I'll take it. And it was thee ugliest 29 point win in the history of 29 point wins.

[Compoundlift83]

This Clippers rookie Al Thornton is a beast!!

[mr_moto_civic]

Wow I don't know what going on with Phoenix. I dont expect them to stay in this slump though.

Suns have sort of gone to sucksville lately. Now the Lakers are 3 wins ahead of them. I live in L.A. and I've noticed that the big fat fans are putting their Laker flags back on their big fat SUVs.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/images/smilies/puke.gif

[CerealKiller]

Jared Dudley 18 rebounds last night in Bobcat victory.

[Compoundlift83]

Its unreal how tough the West is, but I think whoever comes out of the West is gonna be too drained to hang with the Celts in the finals. I hope thats not the case though,I'd like to see the Lakers ,Hornets, or even Phoenix come out of the West abd win the Finals

[debil]

Its unreal how tough the West is, but I think whoever comes out of the West is gonna be too drained to hang with the Celts in the finals. I hope thats not the case though,I'd like to see the Lakers ,Hornets, or even Phoenix come out of the West abd win the Finals


playoff experience, or lack thereof, will most likely keep the hornets out of the conference finals. detroit could give the Cs trouble if flip pulls his head out of his ass and gameplans correctly. gonna be an exciting western conference playoffs that's for sure. i'm real interested to see how the lakers work bynum back in and what if any mental blocks he may have.

[Lloyd Braun]

So I was going through some of the players salaries', and I've got to say, some of these are downright aweful.

Andrei Kirilenko is locked up until 2010-2011, but he will be paid $16.4 million and nearly $18 million his last year.

Samuel Dalembert is locked up until 2010-2011 and will be paid more than $12 million his final year.

Shaq, of course, is locked up until 2009-2010 and will be paid $20 million in each of the next 2 seasons.

KG's contract is straight-out-wierd. He is on pace to earn nearly $24 million this season, nearly $25 million the next, however during the 2009-2010 season he will paid around $16.5 million. The two years after that he'll make around $18 and 21 million, respectively. I suppose time will tell if his contract is worth it. Of course if they win the championship, it would be.

Paul Pierce is locked up until 2010-2011, where he will make $21.5 million his final year.

Some of those are justified, but here is what I consider the flat out worst.

Rashard Lewis is locked up until the 2012-2013 season, where he will make $22 million and $24 million his final two years!! That is completely whacked out.

That said, I can see how some of these players can get away with these contracts, most professional ballers want long-term security which means long-term deals. If they can get away with it and they are playing lights out this season, might as well take advantage and get your money now. However, if I were a GM, I just can't justify paying a sub-superstar superstar-like sums of money, especially superstar like sums of money for more than a few years. Most of these contracts eventually come back to bite them in a few years.

[fivas15]

So I was going through some of the players salaries', and I've got to say, some of these are downright aweful.

Andrei Kirilenko is locked up until 2010-2011, but he will be paid $16.4 million and nearly $18 million his last year.



That's why the Jazz are trying to trade him for Bogut or Dalembert

[mr_moto_civic]

Lakers are on their way.

Gasol is back, they've clinched a playoff spot and they're 2 wins ahead of Phoenix. Bynum is traveling with the team but not playing. He should be ready for action soon.

[captain_marvel]

Lakers are on their way.

Gasol is back, they've clinched a playoff spot and they're 2 wins ahead of Phoenix. Bynum is traveling with the team but not playing. He should be ready for action soon.

Yeah should Bynum be ready to go by the playoffs?

I'm looking forward to a second round Spurs/Lakers matchup at that two three spot. We know the Spurs are seasoned but I want to see if the Lakers can live up to all the regular season hype they're getting in a knock down physical series agaisnt a team like the Spurs.

If both teams even make it out of the first round that is considering how good the West is.

[-RAIn-]

caught the Cavs vs Magic game recently..Bron's really strugglin with his shot..they're not even close..even Gibson was garbage..hopefully Bron pulls out of his slump, but it shouldn't matter in the 1st round of the East..Bron @ 50% should be able to take out whoever they play

looks like the Warriors & Nuggets are doing all they can to give up the 8th spot..lol..neither of em wants it...I guess its going to come down to their head to head meeting. if Nuggets don't make the playoffs..I can't see them not firing Karl..how u don't make the playoffs with Melo, Iverson, Martin, Camby & whoever their 5th starter is..u deserve to be fired..

[CerealKiller]

I can only see the Celtics going so far.

In the last two games they played I have come to the conclusion that Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce cannot win in the critical inch. They may get you to the goal-line, but they won't get you over the goal-line.

With their talent they shouldn't be losing to Cleveland or need a buzzer beater to beat Charlotte.


Assess this post from November.

[Compoundlift83]

Playoffs have been interesting so far

[Compoundlift83]

wow its been over a year since I made this thread, what a difference in the playoffs from 2007 to 2008, last year the Lakers got their asses handed to them in the first round, the Bulls and Heat were favorites in the Eastern Conference, the Cavs were going to the Finals,the Mavs were favorites at the beginning of the playoffs in the West,and Boston was nowhere close to the Playoffs



One thing is still consistant though, the Pistons still can't get the job done in the ECF'S

[Compoundlift83]

bump

[iLoveFattyFood]

nice bump cavs owned the mavs today

[Heartless]

brace yourself........for the LAKESPLOSION!!!

[robogain]

biedrins is gonna be an all star this year ... 22 rebs tonight 16 pts

yao starter

biedrins >bynum oden shaq chandler lulz

[Samihassan]

biedrins is gonna be an all star this year ... 22 rebs tonight 16 pts

yao starter

biedrins >bynum oden shaq chandler lulz

have him on my fantasy team yay

[Compoundlift83]

Bump:

As a Laker fan I have to say their record is very good but very misleading,their defense is terrible and until they get that patched up their not going to be able to beat Boston, or Cleveland in the finals "IF" the Lakers make it to the finals. As far as Boston goes wow they look very very solid offensively,and defensively and they play every single play intense on the offensive side ,and the defensive side and I would not be suprised if they win another championship this year. Also I have to say I'm very impressed with Cleveland and I have to say Lebron James is really a monster,although I think Cleveland is one piece away from completing the puzzle.


All in all it should be a good year for basketball and I see the depth of quality teams shifting from the West Coast to the East Coast.

[Lloyd Braun]

Forgot about this thread.

I agree the balance of power has shifted East. The East has only one really bad team (Washington), the West has about five (Oklahoma, Memphis, Minnesota, Sacramento and the LA Clippers).

Eastern Conference:

Boston is the class of the East. Cleveland is just slightly behind them. Detroit is only 4-6 in their last 10 games, and playing .500 w/ AI. I think they took a step back this year.

The two teams that I'd watch out for are Atlanta and Orlando. Atlanta is almost impossible to beat at home and Orlando is tough to beat anywhere.

Western Conference:

LA is by far the best team out here, but after that it gets tricky. Portland and Denver are both playing really well. New Orleans is finally starting to catch up after a slow start. Phoenix has taken a gigantic step back. My god it is uncomfortable watching that team play. And watch out for the Spurs. Houston needs to prove to me that they are going to stay healthy, until then, I'm just not going to expect a long-playoff run from them.

[johnny87]

pistons arent looking good at all since the AI trade. i wonder if they will start playin better or if this is the end of thier lil run.