I am scared to take DMAA now... should I? [Archive]

rhadam

05-01-2012, 05:48 PM

He didn't know it was the 10000th post on this subject in the last week, why do you think he posted it?

Use your head before you type.

How does that make you feel?

Obviously he didn't. I'm trying to help the populace use their heads, one idiot at a time. Use this amazing thing called Google and there you would find 100 other threads on DMAA in this forum alone. This thread never would have had to be made, and OP wouldn't look dumb. There's no reason for people to continuously post Creatine Threads, but they do. I'm trying to educate people. Teach them to build a fire instead of just making it for them.

Now how does that make you feel?

carrnage23

05-01-2012, 05:49 PM

Don't worry, they haven't banned Craze.

Thats good news, are you into foot sex? Just wonderin'

carrnage23

05-01-2012, 05:50 PM

Obviously he didn't. I'm trying to help the populace use their heads, one idiot at a time. Use this amazing thing called Google and there you would find 100 other threads on DMAA in this forum alone. This thread never would have had to be made, and OP wouldn't look dumb. There's no reason for people to continuously post Creatine Threads, but they do. I'm trying to educate people. Teach them to build a fire instead of just making it for them.

Now how does that make you feel?

You really think in this modern world / era people are going to start using their heads before they use action?

I doubt it.

How do I feel about that? Well I guess we can agree on the lack of intelligence in this world eh?

rhadam

05-01-2012, 05:51 PM

You really think in this modern world / era people are going to start using their heads before they use action?

I doubt it.

How do I feel about that? Well I guess we can agree on the lack of intelligence in this world eh?

Agreed. Someone who would think to know something about another person's life screams intelligence.

dtown3411

05-01-2012, 05:53 PM

He's your typical 20 year old virgin that has poor people skills and follows the latest "phrase" trends, such as "trolls gonna troll" or "come at me bro".

I just asked a question? and your attacking my personal life over the internet.....man youre such a thug with queer tendencies

PlusCTMMAGFTeam

05-01-2012, 06:07 PM

Don't worry, they haven't banned Craze.

With all the lawsuits and FDA investigations with Craze I'm pretty sure it will be reformulated at some point.

Pablizzo

05-01-2012, 06:08 PM

No reason to be scared. Just take moderate amounts as listed on the label and everything should be fine. Those two soldiers probably overdosed on it.

carrnage23

05-01-2012, 06:12 PM

I just asked a question? and your attacking my personal life over the internet.....man youre such a thug with queer tendencies

lol

Wasn't talkin' bout you buddy.

carrnage23

05-01-2012, 06:13 PM

Agreed. Someone who would think to know something about another person's life screams intelligence.

lol

You took that seriously hahahahahaahahah!

Im such a beast.

PlusCTMMAGFTeam

05-01-2012, 06:20 PM

No reason to be scared. Just take moderate amounts as listed on the label and everything should be fine. Those two soldiers probably overdosed on it.

Lol yea oh hey, skydiving is perfectly safe also. Never mind people who have died from it, they must have been stupid and not pull their chutes because there's no way it could have been a legitimate ACCIDENT!!!!

rhadam

05-01-2012, 10:50 PM

Lol yea oh hey, skydiving is perfectly safe also. Never mind people who have died from it, they must have been stupid and not pull their chutes because there's no way it could have been a legitimate ACCIDENT!!!!

Fact remains that DMAA is pretty safe when used correctly. Side effects happen when you abuse it. That goes for most things really. Drink too much water too fast and you will die. I don't hear people lobbying the FDA to ban water though. The supplement industry gets a bad rap unfortunately.

Big.Jazayrli

05-02-2012, 12:41 AM

short term Side effects happen when you abuse it. That goes for most things really.

^^ fixed.

long term health?

Cheese3216

05-02-2012, 12:46 AM

^^ fixed.

long term health?

good fix. i experience short term negative side effects every time i consume DMAA so i cut it out... (some people are ok with it though!)

i like how you put a question mark after long term health,

because there are no long term health studies for it lol.

justfive

05-02-2012, 12:48 AM

If its a known banned substance for whatever reason why would you continue to use it? Don't listen to people on a forum man, use your head.

are you a people on a forum?

how does that make you feel?

rhadam

05-02-2012, 01:00 AM

^^ fixed.

long term health?

I can agree with that fix :D

Big.Jazayrli

05-02-2012, 01:20 AM

I can agree with that fix :D

we do what we can do ;)

Pablizzo

05-02-2012, 01:57 AM

Lol yea oh hey, skydiving is perfectly safe also. Never mind people who have died from it, they must have been stupid and not pull their chutes because there's no way it could have been a legitimate ACCIDENT!!!!
Bad comparison. All that is concluded is that DMAA was found in the soldiers bodies. No word on how much or if it is the reason until later in the year. Studies by USP Labs have not seen negative effects. While the studies are obviously going to have a bias toward the safety of DMAA, I do not know of any study of the negative effects of DMAA.

EverLastCat

05-02-2012, 04:59 AM

Fact remains that DMAA is pretty safe when used correctly. Side effects happen when you abuse it. That goes for most things really. Drink too much water too fast and you will die. I don't hear people lobbying the FDA to ban water though. The supplement industry gets a bad rap unfortunately.

No offense here, but DMAA being pretty safe is that Serious Nutrition's Solutions statement? You represent them correct?

The OP has a valid concern, no need to get mad at him. Maybe he cares about his heart? Is Serious Nutrition Solution mad at him? You represent them right?

OVERLAND PARK, Kan. -- The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is ordering fitness supplement companies to stop selling weight loss and body building products containing DMAA, citing its potentially fatal side effects.

It's linked to) elevated heart rate, dry mouth. You're out training hard and you're going to go and elevate your heart rate before you train. It's dangerous," he said. "It brings your heart rate too high, which can cause strokes and heart attacks."

Pablizzo

05-02-2012, 05:07 AM

No offense here, but DMAA being pretty safe is that Serious Nutrition's Solutions statement? You represent them correct?

The OP has a valid concern, no need to get mad at him. Maybe he cares about his heart? Is Serious Nutrition Solution mad at him? You represent them right?

OVERLAND PARK, Kan. -- The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is ordering fitness supplement companies to stop selling weight loss and body building products containing DMAA, citing its potentially fatal side effects.

It's linked to) elevated heart rate, dry mouth. You're out training hard and you're going to go and elevate your heart rate before you train. It's dangerous," he said. "It brings your heart rate too high, which can cause strokes and heart attacks."
Does caffeine not elevate heart rate? Don't all stimulants elevate heart rate? . Any stimulant can elevate heart rate to dangerous heart levels with a high enough dosage. I am not too knowledgable on this so correct me if I'm wrong.

EverLastCat

05-02-2012, 05:15 AM

Does caffeine not elevate heart rate? Don't all stimulants elevate heart rate? . Any stimulant can elevate heart rate to dangerous heart levels with a high enough dosage. I am not too knowledgable on this so correct me if I'm wrong.

So if those soldiers would of drink 4 cups of coffee before training? would they had any problems? I agree with you all stimulants do raise the heart. You have green tea (caffeine) for one example and you have methamphetamines as another. If you want to get real creative you can do several lines of coke. That might do the trick.

Hey I mean no offense to this. My Father died 10 years ago due to heart attack and he was a runner he drink this stuff called Orange Rush before running. I'm sensitive to stuff like this.

Pablizzo

05-02-2012, 05:21 AM

Like I said with a high enough dosage. 4 cups of coffee will not give any dangerous effects. I do not think 2 scoops of Jack3d will give any dangerous effects either. I simply think more studies should be done before banning it.

EverLastCat

05-02-2012, 05:22 AM

It was Ultimate Orange that was the name of it.

Diesel0022

05-02-2012, 05:31 AM

So if those soldiers would of drink 4 cups of coffee before training? would they had any problems? I agree with you all stimulants do raise the heart. You have green tea (caffeine) for one example and you have methamphetamines as another. If you want to get real creative you can do several lines of coke. That might do the trick.

Hey I mean no offense to this. My Father died 10 years ago due to heart attack and he was a runner he drink this stuff called Orange Rush before running. I'm sensitive to stuff like this.

Respect Status - Lost

There's no intelligence here.

justfive

05-02-2012, 06:14 AM

No offense here, but DMAA being pretty safe is that Serious Nutrition's Solutions statement? You represent them correct?

The OP has a valid concern, no need to get mad at him. Maybe he cares about his heart? Is Serious Nutrition Solution mad at him? You represent them right?

So if those soldiers would of drink 4 cups of coffee before training? would they had any problems? I agree with you all stimulants do raise the heart. You have green tea (caffeine) for one example and you have methamphetamines as another. If you want to get real creative you can do several lines of coke. That might do the trick.

Hey I mean no offense to this. My Father died 10 years ago due to heart attack and he was a runner he drink this stuff called Orange Rush before running. I'm sensitive to stuff like this.

Is this Everlast's position? You represent them, correct?

You are not very informed about stimulants, so I guess that makes Everlast not informed about stimulants. You represent them, right? How can a company make products with stimulants if they do not know anything about stimulants?

SuperYou

05-02-2012, 06:20 AM

Obviously he didn't. I'm trying to help the populace use their heads, one idiot at a time. Use this amazing thing called Google and there you would find 100 other threads on DMAA in this forum alone. This thread never would have had to be made, and OP wouldn't look dumb. There's no reason for people to continuously post Creatine Threads, but they do. I'm trying to educate people. Teach them to build a fire instead of just making it for them.

Now how does that make you feel?

DMAA is a vehicle to larger pending regulation.....

PinchTheBear

05-02-2012, 06:38 AM

stick to making boxing gloves

Valhallabound86

05-02-2012, 06:58 AM

No one gave a **** about DMAA when it's legal, plenty of people utilized it without side effects. Now that the FDA is looking into it, everyone heads into Chicken Little mode.

If you took a gram of caffeine and ran the Boston Marathon, you would not be in good shape. Does that mean caffeine is bad? Or does it mean that perhaps it was user issue?

Half the **** that was taken off the market is because idiots self dose regardless of what instructions say. Used properly DMAA is fine.

Nailbomb9

05-02-2012, 07:23 AM

Why would you ask a forum if you should take it or not...??? Lemme answer the way you asked. "Should I tell him to take it or not, I'm scared" "Should I ?"

EverLastCat

05-02-2012, 07:31 AM

Is this Everlast's position? You represent them, correct?

You are not very informed about stimulants, so I guess that makes Everlast not informed about stimulants. You represent them, right? How can a company make products with stimulants if they do not know anything about stimulants?

Yes everyone at headquarters loves coffee :) I'm no expert in stimulants, but we don't have DMAA in our products either. Nor do we recommend it. So crawl back in your hole.

If you want to know more about caffeine " Google " is your friend!

Diesel0022

05-02-2012, 07:37 AM

Yes everyone at headquarters loves coffee :) I'm no expert in stimulants, but we don't have DMAA in our products either. Nor do we recommend it. So crawl back in your hole.

If you want to know more about caffeine " Google " is your friend!

Dont argue with a respected regular, it doesnt end well especially when you're not the one with the knowledge.. There is no issue with DMAA or its safety.

Just a friendly heads up, not sure how many times I can save your ass on here, but it wont be much more than whats already been done.

EverLastCat

05-02-2012, 07:42 AM

Dont argue with a respected regular, it doesnt end well especially when you're not the one with the knowledge.. There is no issue with DMAA or its safety.

Just a friendly heads up, not sure how many times I can save your ass on here, but it wont be much more than whats already been done.

The company I represent feels differently than your company obviously about DMAA. Can you respect what I represent? I'm not telling you to not take DMAA do what you want you're a grown man right? Everlast doesn't want involved because the media likes to make a big deal over things. We are a company that's been around for a long long time and are a little different than alot of companies. Our company doesn't argue with People either. We have values. Google em!

raleighwho

05-02-2012, 07:42 AM

hey op if the fda said drinking coffee was bad for you would you stop?
if the fda said drinking filtered water was bad would you stop?

the fda looks out for those who fill its pockets!

Diesel0022

05-02-2012, 07:46 AM

The company I represent feels differently than your company obviously about DMAA. Can you respect what I represent? I'm not telling you to not take DMAA do what you want you're a grown man right? Everlast doesn't want involved because the media likes to make a big deal over things. We are a company that's been around for a long long time and are a little different than alot of companies. Our company doesn't argue with People either. We have values. Google em!

Thats their choice, but correct dosing schemes in regards to DMAA will yield no harmful sides.

EverLastCat

05-02-2012, 07:46 AM

Dont argue with a respected regular, it doesnt end well especially when you're not the one with the knowledge.. There is no issue with DMAA or its safety.

Just a friendly heads up, not sure how many times I can save your ass on here, but it wont be much more than whats already been done.

A principle value is a foundation upon which other values and measures of integrity are based. Those values which are not physiologically determined and normally considered objective, such as a desire to avoid physical pain, seek pleasure, etc., are considered subjective, vary across individuals and cultures and are in many ways aligned with belief and belief systems. Types of values include ethical/moral value,

EverLastCat

05-02-2012, 07:47 AM

Thats their choice, but correct dosing schemes in regards to DMAA will yield no harmful sides.

Doesn't matter nothing we can do about it. If they want it off the market it will be off the market.

EverLastCat

05-02-2012, 07:48 AM

Thats their choice, but correct dosing schemes in regards to DMAA will yield no harmful sides.

We don't promote DMAA small or large doses. Regardless of the outcome.

justfive

05-02-2012, 07:50 AM

Yes everyone at headquarters loves coffee :) I'm no expert in stimulants, but we don't have DMAA in our products either. Nor do we recommend it. So crawl back in your hole.

If you want to know more about caffeine " Google " is your friend!

I am not getting into a DMAA good vs bad debate.

My comment was referring to your non-existant knowledge of stimulants such as caffeine. You dont have to be an expert. You have to use the processing capacity of your brain to give sound advice, and educate yourself. As a rep, it is your responsibility to know the basics regarding the supplements you promote. You failed in this respect.

You should be the one who is sentenced to several years of googling given your caffeine comment.

If understanding this is beyond you and too stressful, then perhaps you'd like to grab a sample from my sig for some ultimate relaxation?

EverLastCat

05-02-2012, 07:57 AM

I am not getting into a DMAA good vs bad debate.

My comment was referring to your non-existant knowledge of stimulants such as caffeine. You dont have to be an expert. You have to use the processing capacity of your brain to give sound advice, and educate yourself. As a rep, it is your responsibility to know the basics regarding the supplements you promote. You failed in this respect.

You should be the one who is sentenced to several years of googling given your caffeine comment.

If understanding this is beyond you and too stressful, then perhaps you'd like to grab a sample from my sig for some ultimate relaxation?

I do not promote DMAA nor do I have any knowledge on it beyond that (to comment about). We don't promote it. Companies with this ingredient are under the radar. At Everlast we are never on the Radar. This includes anything, quality control, what's on the label is what's in the product. We might not have the most flashy product line, but we are a sensible company. And I don't have vast knowledge on stimulants. I'm not a druggie.

Diesel0022

05-02-2012, 08:01 AM

AJP1

05-02-2012, 08:01 AM

If certain sups/ingredients cause for concern then don't them. Simple as that.

Stick to your black coffee and food and get it done the old fashioned way.

EverLastCat

05-02-2012, 08:01 AM

stick to making boxing gloves Wow you are professional. I won't insult your company though.

EverLastCat

05-02-2012, 08:03 AM

I don't see you lasting very long on this site. Referring to Stims as drugs.... Well I admit I am not the master of knowledge when it comes to stimulants. I'm just assuming someone who is the master of knowledge in this area probably knows all stimulants. I only know the basics the legal stuff. All of the obsession about stimulants on here I was just assuming! I didn't say stims were drugs. Please quote me where I said that. Do the stims you take put words in others mouths or is that voices talking to you inside your head?

PlusCTMMAGFTeam

05-02-2012, 08:07 AM

I am not getting into a DMAA good vs bad debate.

My comment was referring to your non-existant knowledge of stimulants such as caffeine. You dont have to be an expert. You have to use the processing capacity of your brain to give sound advice, and educate yourself. As a rep, it is your responsibility to know the basics regarding the supplements you promote. You failed in this respect.

You should be the one who is sentenced to several years of googling given your caffeine comment.

If understanding this is beyond you and too stressful, then perhaps you'd like to grab a sample from my sig for some ultimate relaxation?

Don't mess with this guy, his intelligence supersedes everybody here. His goal is to prove he's more knowledgable then everyone else lol. The FDA banned it for a good reason. Now let's all calm down, relax, and accept that DMAA is no more. A lot of you in here supporting DMAA got your butt plugs to deep. Chill the F out lol.

koard31

05-02-2012, 08:09 AM

Well I admit I am not the master of knowledge when it comes to stimulants. I'm just assuming someone who is the master of knowledge in this area probably knows all stimulants. I only know the basics the legal stuff. All of the obsession about stimulants on here I was just assuming! I didn't say stims were drugs. Please quote me where I said that. Do the stims you take put words in others mouths or is that voices talking to you inside your head?

You should probably just stop posting in this thread. No one is asking about Everlast supplements or boxing equipment. Just step away, pretend this thread never existed and go on about your repping duties when called upon. With each post you're digging yourself a bigger hole.

Valhallabound86

05-02-2012, 08:09 AM

And I don't have vast knowledge on stimulants. I'm not a druggie.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/el/energy.html

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/el/n-o-ntiro-fuse.html

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/el/thermotriplex.html

Do you have vast knowledge on these two products? Notably the effects of caffeine?

For someone being high and mighty about the poor effects of stimulants, your company appears to utilize them in their product formulations. Prop blended, nonetheless, to conceal the actual amount of caffeine being ingested.

EverLastCat

05-02-2012, 08:09 AM

Does caffeine not elevate heart rate? Don't all stimulants elevate heart rate? . Any stimulant can elevate heart rate to dangerous heart levels with a high enough dosage. I am not too knowledgable on this so correct me if I'm wrong.

My Grandma is 85 years old and she drinks like 4 cups first thing each day. I think coffee is ok. Just be careful with it and you should be ok. Bacon now that stuff will kill ya.

EverLastCat

05-02-2012, 08:13 AM

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/el/energy.html

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/el/n-o-ntiro-fuse.html

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/el/thermotriplex.html

Do you have vast knowledge on these two products? Notably the effects of caffeine?

For someone being high and mighty about the poor effects of stimulants, your company appears to utilize them in their product formulations. Prop blended, nonetheless, to conceal the actual amount of caffeine being ingested.

This is a waste of my time explaining it to someone like you. But ask me anything about our product and the stimulants and what they do. Most reps/members don't get into it that deep, but if you really want me to break it down to you I will. It's not that deep! People on here like to pick fights and act like aholes I have gathered in my short time here. The difference is we don't have banned substances in our product. We aren't against caffeine and stimulants. We just aren't for banned ones. We respect the law.

ja3r3dr

05-02-2012, 08:15 AM

"How does that make you feel?".....The next "Umadbro?".

joakman

05-02-2012, 08:16 AM

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Valhallabound86

05-02-2012, 08:17 AM

This is a wast of my time explaining it to someone like you. But ask me anything about our product and the stimulants and what they do. Most reps/members don't get into it that deep, but if you really want me to break it down to you I will. It's not that deep! People on here like to pick fights and act like aholes I have gathered in my short time here.

You are a really ****ty rep man. You blanket all stimulants as drugs, then tell potential consumers that it's a waste of time to explain the effects of stimulants? You have demonized DMAA for it's stimulant effects, then claimed caffeine is fine because someone you know consumes coffee. You've also alluded that 4 cups of coffee before endurance training would not have the same effect as other stmulants.

Most folks think this board is for name calling and product call outs, but the majority of them are not without basis. Enjoy your PR goals of 2013.

TheGilmore

05-02-2012, 08:22 AM

This is a waste of my time explaining it to someone like you. But ask me anything about our product and the stimulants and what they do. Most reps/members don't get into it that deep, but if you really want me to break it down to you I will. It's not that deep! People on here like to pick fights and act like aholes I have gathered in my short time here. The difference is we don't have banned substances in our product. We aren't against caffeine and stimulants. We just aren't for banned ones. We respect the law.

I'm about to go back to bed, but I'm going to give you a heads up about a few things:

1.a. A lot of people here don't have to ask you what things in the product do, because they know EXACTLY what they do, and also know quite a few ingredients (quite a few of which are in some of your products), don't actually do a damn thing for the relevant population and/or humans in general.

1.b. With that above knowledge, your products are likely about to be ripped apart pretty soon here.

2. You need to stop pimping out your product in threads that have nothing to do with your product. That business practice is frowned upon here, and I'm fairly certain it's against the rules. But I'll abstain from reporting you unless I see it again.

EverLastCat

05-02-2012, 08:25 AM

You are a really ****ty rep man. You blanket all stimulants as drugs, then tell potential consumers that it's a waste of time to explain the effects of stimulants? You have demonized DMAA for it's stimulant effects, then claimed caffeine is fine because someone you know consumes coffee. You've also alluded that 4 cups of coffee before endurance training would not have the same effect as other stmulants.

Most folks think this board is for name calling and product call outs, but the majority of them are not without basis. Enjoy your PR goals of 2013.

Ok here are the facts. You put words in my mouth that I never said or you take things I say out of context. You damn well know what you're doing. You try to attack me and gang up on me with your goon squad. And yes I am a brand new rep. I don't have everyone on here dangling around my little finger like the veterans.

Yes I rep for a company that makes boxing gloves and I also stated we have a whole new supplement line now. Believe it or not Everlast has money and knows the right People to make great things happen so the products today are great! You ever tried any? Nooooo. And a ****ty rep? go to the promotions section and look at how many containers I gave out today on my first day. Hell I would of even gave you a tub of something if you just asked. You better step back and evaluate.

ja3r3dr

05-02-2012, 08:27 AM

joakman

05-02-2012, 08:28 AM

Ok here are the facts. You put words in my mouth that I never said or you take things I say out of context. You damn well know what you're doing. You try to attack me and gang up on me with your goon squad. And yes I am a brand new rep. I don't have everyone on here dangling around my little finger like the veterans.

Yes I rep for a company that makes boxing gloves and I also stated we have a whole new supplement line now. Believe it or not Everlast has money and knows the right People to make great things happen so the products today are great! You ever tried any? Nooooo. And a ****ty rep? go to the promotions section and look at how many containers I gave out today on my first day. Hell I would of even gave you a tub of something if you just asked. You better step back and evaluate.

That has nothing to do with being a good rep. At all.

DevlinRD

05-02-2012, 08:30 AM

in the midst of all the bitching and moaning...anyone have a clue why dmaa products clump and harden up so quickly? was given some jacked experation august of 13 and it was nearly rock solid. my sample of neurocore was the same way from arnold class...2 months ago...with experation of 10/13. im just curious because ive never had that issue with products not containing dmaa. also, is it still okay to use that way? just dont wanna swallow rocks...lol

EverLastCat

05-02-2012, 08:32 AM

I'm about to go back to bed, but I'm going to give you a heads up about a few things:

1.a. A lot of people here don't have to ask you what things in the product do, because they know EXACTLY what they do, and also know quite a few ingredients (quite a few of which are in some of your products), don't actually do a damn thing for the relevant population and/or humans in general.

1.b. With that above knowledge, your products are likely about to be ripped apart pretty soon here.

2. You need to stop pimping out your product in threads that have nothing to do with your product. That business practice is frowned upon here, and I'm fairly certain it's against the rules. But I'll abstain from reporting you unless I see it again.

Well this is where you are wrong rookie. You might know exactly what each ingredient does. Do you personally know the effects they have you on you, when each of those ingredients is dosed in certain amounts to create ya know a formula?

You can have two products that have exactly the same ingredients, but if the doses are different for each ingredient it's a different effect. Why do you think companies have Proprietary blends? yes some skimp the customer, but others don't want the formula to be known. It's not all so simple like you put it. You know what this ingredient does and this ingredient does. You leave this to the experts who get paid well to put together such formulas big shot. You have alot to learn.

justfive

05-02-2012, 08:33 AM

I do not promote DMAA nor do I have any knowledge on it beyond that (to comment about). We don't promote it. Companies with this ingredient are under the radar. At Everlast we are never on the Radar. This includes anything, quality control, what's on the label is what's in the product. We might not have the most flashy product line, but we are a sensible company. And I don't have vast knowledge on stimulants. I'm not a druggie.

Don't mess with this guy, his intelligence supersedes everybody here. His goal is to prove he's more knowledgable then everyone else lol. The FDA banned it for a good reason. Now let's all calm down, relax, and accept that DMAA is no more. A lot of you in here supporting DMAA got your butt plugs to deep. Chill the F out lol.

back to elementary school reading classes for both of you.

why are you guys talking about DMAA when I commented on his idiotic comment about 4 cups of coffee (stimulant in coffee = CAFFEINE) which showed his complete lack of knowledge regarding stimulants?

justfive

05-02-2012, 08:35 AM

Well this is where you are wrong rookie. You might know exactly what each ingredient does. Do you personally know the effects they have you on you, when each of those ingredients is dosed in certain amounts to create ya know a formula?

You can have two products that have exactly the same ingredients, but if the doses are different for each ingredient it's a different effect. Why do you think companies have Proprietary blends? yes some skimp the customer, but others don't want the formula to be known. It's not all so simple like you put it. You know what this ingredient does and this ingredient does. You leave this to the experts who get paid well to put together such formulas big shot. You have alot to learn.

you clearly dont, as you dont know how to dose caffeine

yet you are a rep for a supplement company? well... I guess its ok, because you give out a lot of free products!

EverLastCat

05-02-2012, 08:40 AM

you clearly dont, as you dont know how to dose caffeine

yet you are a rep for a supplement company? well... I guess its ok, because you give out a lot of free products!

Look dude I just rep I don't make the supplements. I put a scoop in a shaker and add water. Sometimes I take two scoops if I need even more energy. I know how to dose it just fine. Anything beyond that you might want to talk to Patrick Arnold. He might be almost as smart as you.

When you believe in your product line you want people to try them out. They like to make money and stuff. Crazy isn't it? I think it's cool when a company can back up it's product at a cost to them. Every company is different. At this time it's good for Everlast to give out some product so People can try it. Anything wrong with that? I love giving out stuff to People. I know what it's like to get something. It's a good feeling!

powercage

05-02-2012, 08:47 AM

Bacon now that stuff will kill ya.

!!!!!

justfive

05-02-2012, 08:50 AM

Look dude I just rep I don't make the supplements. I put a scoop in a shaker and add water. Sometimes I take two scoops if I need even more energy. I know how to dose it just fine. Anything beyond that you might want to talk to Patrick Arnold. He might be almost as smart as you.

When you believe in your product line you want people to try them out. They like to make money and stuff. Crazy isn't it? I think it's cool when a company can back up it's product at a cost to them. Every company is different. At this time it's good for Everlast to give out some product so People can try it. Anything wrong with that? I love giving out stuff to People. I know what it's like to get something. It's a good feeling!

Its like you have an irrationality cloak on which prevents you from understanding what is being said to you

EverLastCat

05-02-2012, 08:51 AM

!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0zJSgHDnpw I love this lol

ja3r3dr

05-02-2012, 08:58 AM

DMAA is a conspiracy/coverup for bacon.......#justgotreal

Valhallabound86

05-02-2012, 08:59 AM

I do not promote DMAA nor do I have any knowledge on it beyond that (to comment about). We don't promote it. Companies with this ingredient are under the radar.

Muscletech and USP Labs were under the radar?

And I don't have vast knowledge on stimulants. I'm not a druggie.

This is where you stated that you don't have knowledge on stimulants because you're not a druggie.

This is a waste of my time explaining it to someone like you.

In response to me asking about effects of caffeine.

But ask me anything about our product and the stimulants and what they do. Most reps/members don't get into it that deep, but if you really want me to break it down to you I will. It's not that deep!

In response to my original question, which was asking about stimulants.

People on here like to pick fights and act like aholes I have gathered in my short time here. The difference is we don't have banned substances in our product. We aren't against caffeine and stimulants. We just aren't for banned ones. We respect the law.

Companies were JUST notified that DMAA would need to be removed. Just because you never put it in does not mean you are any better than those other companies. It was perfectly legal last week to put DMAA in supplements.

Ok here are the facts. You put words in my mouth that I never said or you take things I say out of context. You damn well know what you're doing.
I'm looking for a little consistency, that's all.

You try to attack me and gang up on me with your goon squad. And yes I am a brand new rep. I don't have everyone on here dangling around my little finger like the veterans.

If you think I'm a veteran of this forum, check my join date.

And a ****ty rep? go to the promotions section and look at how many containers I gave out today on my first day. Hell I would of even gave you a tub of something if you just asked. You better step back and evaluate.

x2 to what joakman said.

If you want the actual breakdown, I called you a ****ty rep because you demonized companies for putting DMAA and stimulants in supplements. Then turn around and state that caffeine is fine, which is a stimulant. Not to mention your incorrect assumption made between types of stimulants, such as caffeine and DMAA. Up until recently, DMAA was perfectly fine to have in supplements. There were many folks who looked for DMAA supplements because they liked the stimulant and cognitive effect of the compound.

The same is true about demonizing companies that sold PH's when they were perfectly legal to do so. That doesn't make them ****ty companies, that makes them companies who were trying to compete in the supplement market. But having a company come forward and state that said companies are awful because they were in that business seems hardly like a good move to make.

So.

Give products away, get some hype going for Everlast, and stop making blanket statements on compounds that you are unfamiliar with the MO of. DMAA is fine and will still be fine to use after it's banned by the FDA.

EverLastCat

05-02-2012, 09:01 AM

Its like you have an irrationality cloak on which prevents you from understanding what is being said to you LOL I have that sometimes

DevlinRD

05-02-2012, 09:15 AM

so no actual useful information in this thread...

Valhallabound86

05-02-2012, 09:18 AM

so no actual useful information in this thread...

DMAA is fine to take. It's being linked to a variety of different side effects in some users, but many of those are not unlike those of traditional stimulants currently on the market.

Many people don't care for DMAA because they get the "crash" effect. Plenty of people have utilized PWO/fat burners containing DMAA many times without experiencing ill effects. It's not the worst thing you can put into your body, just don't go nuts with the dosing. 10-25 mg or so I believe was common.

EverLastCat

05-02-2012, 09:20 AM

Muscletech and USP Labs were under the radar?

This is where you stated that you don't have knowledge on stimulants because you're not a druggie.

In response to me asking about effects of caffeine.

In response to my original question, which was asking about stimulants.

Companies were JUST notified that DMAA would need to be removed. Just because you never put it in does not mean you are any better than those other companies. It was perfectly legal last week to put DMAA in supplements.

I'm looking for a little consistency, that's all.

If you think I'm a veteran of this forum, check my join date.

x2 to what joakman said.

If you want the actual breakdown, I called you a ****ty rep because you demonized companies for putting DMAA and stimulants in supplements. Then turn around and state that caffeine is fine, which is a stimulant. Not to mention your incorrect assumption made between types of stimulants, such as caffeine and DMAA. Up until recently, DMAA was perfectly fine to have in supplements. There were many folks who looked for DMAA supplements because they liked the stimulant and cognitive effect of the compound.

The same is true about demonizing companies that sold PH's when they were perfectly legal to do so. That doesn't make them ****ty companies, that makes them companies who were trying to compete in the supplement market. But having a company come forward and state that said companies are awful because they were in that business seems hardly like a good move to make.

So.

Give products away, get some hype going for Everlast, and stop making blanket statements on compounds that you are unfamiliar with the MO of. DMAA is fine and will still be fine to use after it's banned by the FDA.

First of all Bubba lets take care of these in the order you have them in.

1. These types of things go unnoticed and not on the radar in the beginning. I never doubted that. You said were meaning before. Not sure about before. I just now today the present! DMAA is under the radar.

2.. I said I don't have a "VAST" knowledge in stimulants meaning when it gets into DMAA and beyond :) these aren't in our product lineup.

3. You want me to explain the effects of caffeine to you? LOL Isn't caffeine a flavoring agent?

4. The original question about stimulants in our product? you're the expert you tell me. I know what they do. give you energy and focus :) anything deeper go play like you are Patrick Arnold or build a meat helmet and go outside and play.

5. And yes it was legal before. Some ingredients aren't really all that appealing to everyone. legal or not.

6. Consistency? hard when you put words in my mouth every chance you can get. You a politican?

7. You said I was a ****ty rep. I explained to you this is my first day on the job and that I (meaning me) am not a veteren rep on this site and don't know all the ropes or the lingo or how to walk on thin ice in a way a veteren rep would know or a member who knows the site well. This had nothing to do with you Son.

Anything more I don't care dude.

Diesel0022

05-02-2012, 09:22 AM

Last time Im saving you. Friendly tip, log off, close the browser, come back tomorrow when this thread is long gone. Try starting over.

EverLastCat

05-02-2012, 09:27 AM

Last time Im saving you. Friendly tip, log off, close the browser, come back tomorrow when this thread is long gone. Try starting over.

this isn't my thread. I just came in and wasn't on DMAA's nuts and everyone went nutso like druggies or something. That is why I made the " druggie statement" anybody this hard into DMAA it makes you wonder what other stimulants they would love to get their hands on. I know coke would get em jacked up for a lift or amphetamines. Hey when you go nutso over banned stimulants and everyone acts like an expert with stimulants can you blame why I think the way I do?

I'm talking about caffeine. I don't know what the experts are talking about. Many on here have deep seeded psychological problems. I don't think stimulants is what they should be on. Maybe try something else.

koard31

05-02-2012, 09:29 AM

7. You said I was a ****ty rep. I explained to you this is my first day on the job and that I (meaning me) am not a veteren rep on this site and don't know all the ropes or the lingo or how to walk on thin ice in a way a veteren rep would know or a member who knows the site well. This had nothing to do with you Son.

This right here would lead most individuals of average intelligence to sit back, get to know the culture and throw their 2 cents in only when their products need the proper pimping. However, you would rather just stick your whole foot in your mouth and then spend the next 30 posts of your certainly short "career" as a rep trying to back pedal, dance and spin your way out of sounding like such a jackass and all the while making it more apparent that you obviously are in over your head.

Good luck to you.

Valhallabound86

05-02-2012, 09:33 AM

6. Consistency? hard when you put words in my mouth every chance you can get. You a politican?

You keep saying this. I just outlined the areas where I drew most of my ammunition from. The over reaching part of this is that you consider stimulants fine, but DMAA is the bad guy. That part hasn't changed.

7. You said I was a ****ty rep. I explained to you this is my first day on the job and that I (meaning me) am not a veteren rep on this site and don't know all the ropes or the lingo or how to walk on thin ice in a way a veteren rep would know or a member who knows the site well. This had nothing to do with you Son.

I'll exit the thread now since this has become a pissing match. Your patronizing attitude with folks who have voiced concerns over the statements previously made is hugely inappropriate. Your track record through this thread was the context for my aforementioned comment. Harsh? Perhaps. Maybe my coffee wasn't strong enough this morning to be polite about ignorance when it comes to stimulant effects.

I would also like to point out that I put no words in your mouth. The correlations you drew were from your own accord. Veteran reps will tell you that staying out of the "spice" or confrontational threads is a surefire way to avoid any conflict, much less fueling them. Going around calling people "son" and demonizing compounds is not a good way to start. Hence my comment.

In all seriousness, I hope you continue to rep Everlast. They don't have a strong board presence. Just know that your behavior dictates how they are perceived on this forum, regardless of who or what is getting under your skin.

jabmaster2

05-02-2012, 09:35 AM

Last time Im saving you. Friendly tip, log off, close the browser, come back tomorrow when this thread is long gone. Try starting over.

Oh the thread may die but the memories of what was said will last forever :D

Im off to go on a bacon and stimulant binge now

~Hades~

05-02-2012, 09:41 AM

recharge time is the worst

EverLastCat

05-02-2012, 09:42 AM

This right here would lead most individuals of average intelligence to sit back, get to know the culture and throw their 2 cents in only when their products need the proper pimping. However, you would rather just stick your whole foot in your mouth and then spend the next 30 posts of your certainly short "career" as a rep trying to back pedal, dance and spin your way out of sounding like such a jackass and all the while making it more apparent that you obviously are in over your head.

Good luck to you.

Well I am taking your advice. You are right and I would of took this advice before, but I thought I was dealing with sane People. I didn't know People on here would snap out at another Person at any given moment just because they have an opinion. They obviously like DMAA alot and I respect that. I just stated it can be potentially dangerous the DMAA (looking at the bright side of the ban, yeah it sucks for those who love it. sorry people, you'll live) and then I get the to much water can be dangerous talk or coffee can be dangerous smart mouth talk. Breathing the air outside can be dangerous. Everything has risk. DMAA was thought of as unnecessary risk so they banned it. get over it.

And to the other guy

and calling somebody son when they are under attack for their opinion isn't ok? I seen alot of reps on here go out of there way to be nasty to people for little to no reason. So keep your advice son.

joakman

05-02-2012, 09:44 AM

EverLastCat

05-02-2012, 09:49 AM

For the sake of the company you represent, stop talking.

At least we don't get our raws from china. USA BABY. THE RED WHITE AND THE BLUE..... You promote that crap?

sloop

05-02-2012, 09:49 AM

recharge time is the worst

I LOLed IRL.

EverLastCat

05-02-2012, 09:53 AM

I have an idiot rep with an Ernie mask on giving me advice and he promotes Chinese protein. What's next? You going to have a mask on of a horses ass and try to sell me ground up buttholes. Not much difference.

about right now you should ummmmmm cry?

koard31

05-02-2012, 09:53 AM

At least we don't get our raws from china. USA BABY. THE RED WHITE AND THE BLUE..... You promote that crap?

This will not end well.......

Not sure which will happen quicker, you turning red or not being a rep....

EverLastCat

05-02-2012, 09:56 AM

This will not end well.......

Not sure which will happen quicker, you turning red or not being a rep....

I quit. This isn't worth it. They don't pay me enough in protein powder to deal with these ass clowns day in and day out. I'm out of here.

~Hades~

05-02-2012, 10:02 AM

I quit. This isn't worth it. They don't pay me enough in protein powder to deal with these ass clowns day in and day out. I'm out of here.

Quitting is for pussies. Keep going.

Diesel0022

05-02-2012, 10:07 AM

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m26fnwpQZB1qeleak.gif

joakman

05-02-2012, 10:17 AM

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n34/IrocAlex/2zsd2j3.gif

justfive

05-02-2012, 10:43 AM

Well I am taking your advice. You are right and I would of took this advice before, but I thought I was dealing with sane People. I didn't know People on here would snap out at another Person at any given moment just because they have an opinion. They obviously like DMAA alot and I respect that. I just stated it can be potentially dangerous the DMAA (looking at the bright side of the ban, yeah it sucks for those who love it. sorry people, you'll live) and then I get the to much water can be dangerous talk or coffee can be dangerous smart mouth talk. Breathing the air outside can be dangerous. Everything has risk. DMAA was thought of as unnecessary risk so they banned it. get over it.

And to the other guy

and calling somebody son when they are under attack for their opinion isn't ok? I seen alot of reps on here go out of there way to be nasty to people for little to no reason. So keep your advice son.

you are dealing with DMAA and meth addicts. Surprised you didnt anticipate this would happen given how touchy meth addicts can be about their meth

I quit. This isn't worth it. They don't pay me enough in protein powder to deal with these ass clowns day in and day out. I'm out of here.

this must be some sort of record. 2 days? Say hi to JH and that bioforge v3 complaining guy on your way out

namean

05-02-2012, 10:47 AM

DMAA is fine to take if you don't abuse it.Hell, MDAA is probably fine if abused! The FDA isnt making any money off it so they have to ban it. Its competing w/their priscription drugs. The ones that they charge you $100 for 15 capsules when it costs them $.25 to make.

namean

05-02-2012, 10:53 AM

Believe it or not Everlast has money and knows the right People to make great things happen so the products today are great!
So then why'd they hire you? rotflmao

trollface.jpg

kr1kit

05-02-2012, 10:59 AM

Oh how did those reds get there? :o

PinchTheBear

05-02-2012, 11:25 AM

And the supp section delivers

justfive

05-02-2012, 11:32 AM

I have a feeling that this is what BOZZ meant by being in vs out of the "clique"

rhadam

05-02-2012, 12:15 PM

I thought it was obvious from page 2 that EverLastCat was a level 17 troll.

DASBUNKER

05-02-2012, 12:41 PM

Blood in Blood out.. you can't explain that.

longhorns_p

05-02-2012, 01:19 PM

I thought it was obvious from page 2 that EverLastCat was a level 17 troll.

definitely troll'n

herpinthederp

05-02-2012, 02:41 PM

Clemenza

05-02-2012, 02:59 PM

Hell, MDAA is probably fine if abused! The FDA isnt making any money off it so they have to ban it. Its competing w/their priscription drugs. The ones that they charge you $100 for 15 capsules when it costs them $.25 to make.

^^ THIS!

http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Regulation/AHPA-If-DMAA-is-in-geranium-synthesized-version-is-a-lawful-dietary-ingredient

http://www.anh-usa.org/fda-breaks-promise-on-proposed-new-supplement-rules/

FDA wants to pull all synthetically manufactured supplements, which is just about the majority of everything on the shelves.

Clemenza

05-02-2012, 03:01 PM

DMAA actually has a pretty decent safety record based on the studies done on it. As a constituent of geranium oil, it's technically compliant. The FDA is trying to say that companies are synthesizing it, which somehow disqualifies it as a supplement. I don't personally think that would stand up in court though.

It shouldn't at all. But it seems they like making and breaking their own rules as they go along.

What's scary is that if the FDA can pull DMAA because it is "Sythetically Produced". They can pull creatine, vitamin c, aminos etc... and left in the hands of the only the pharmaceutical companies.

Cheese3216

05-02-2012, 07:34 PM

try to sell me ground up buttholes

this was my favorite part of the whole thread

NorCalMike

05-02-2012, 07:41 PM

No. Nobody should need that stuff to get pumped up for a workout. Caffeine, although a stimulant also, has been repeatedly tested and it's safety proven in moderation. The testing on DMAA is limited to my knowledge. Besides the safety concerns, I crashed and had stim dick with this crap. The usualy two side effects people talk about. Your body is telling you something, listen. Not for me but if you like it then enjoy it while you still can.

Clemenza

05-02-2012, 07:42 PM

No. Nobody should need that stuff to get pumped up for a workout. Caffeine, although a stimulant also, has been repeatedly tested and it's safety proven in moderation. The testing on DMAA is limited to my knowledge. Besides the safety concerns, I crashed and had stim dick with this crap. No thanks.

So it should be banned because you don't like the way it makes you feel?

NorCalMike

05-02-2012, 07:44 PM

^Missed the last part of my post that I added. If others like it that's cool I could care less. But I can't say I'm disappointed it's being banned as a lot of teens are misusing it and assuming it's safe. To be honest, it's a good thing imo that the government is banning it. Safety is always #1 and the fact remains that we don't know enough about this compound. So it's good to sway on the side of caution until researchers learn more.

Sucks for the people who like it but too many noobies abusing a powerful stim is not good.

Clemenza

05-02-2012, 07:47 PM

^Missed the last part of my post that I added. If others like it that's cool I could care less. But I can't say I'm disappointed it's being banned as an lot of teens are misusing it and assuming it's safe.

My bad. The fact is people need to take more responsibility for their own actions. It just seems now a day society just blames their problems and actions on somebody or something else. They took 5 scoops of Jack3d, didn't drink enough water, on an empty stomach, went to the hospital, and somehow it's USPlabs fault.

I've actually heard of people suing McDonald's because IT made THEM fat!

qoohhlt

05-02-2012, 07:48 PM

I hope they don't bend caffine if so ima go strike

NorCalMike

05-02-2012, 08:02 PM

My bad. The fact is people need to take more responsibility for their own actions. It just seems now a day society just blames their problems and actions on somebody or something else. They took 5 scoops of Jack3d, didn't drink enough water, on an empty stomach, went to the hospital, and somehow it's USPlabs fault.

I've actually heard of people suing McDonald's because IT made THEM fat!

I totally agree we need more personal responsibility. If we didn't have so many young teens taking pre's with 1,3 we may not have many problems with this and it would not be banned. I still wouldn't take it but I would not be in favor of the ban preventing others from using it. But kids are walking into that three letter store and buying jack3d and often times not even following the directions on the label. People at that age often think they are invincible and if they are able to buy it at a store it must be completely safe. But I think we as a society have a duty to protect them from themselves and that's what the government is doing here. Unfortunately, these naive, young, and uninformed consumers are often the ones ruining it for everybody. That's just the way it is as we have to protect young people from themselves.

Clemenza

05-02-2012, 08:11 PM

You're right. It's chaos

TheGilmore

05-02-2012, 08:15 PM

Last I checked, DMAA wasn't found in nature. It's my understanding that DMAA was not, in fact, found in Geranium.

Clemenza

05-02-2012, 08:17 PM

Last I checked, DMAS wasn't found in nature. It's my understanding that DMAA was not, in fact, found in Geranium.

The Ping study proves it is. Those doubting the Ping study at NSF I believe had geranium tested and could not find DMAA. Does this mean DMAA is not in Geranium? No it does not. There are many different types of geranium plants all over the world. The Ping study was done on a specific geranium plant in China. DMAA may be found in that specific plant and not in others. It's as simple as that.

TheGilmore

05-02-2012, 08:24 PM

The Ping study proves it is. Those doubting the Ping study at NSF I believe had geranium tested and could not find DMAA. Does this mean DMAA is not in Geranium? No it does not. There are many different types of geranium plants all over the world. The Ping study was done on a specific geranium plant in China. DMAA may be found in that specific plant and not in others. It's as simple as that.

Didn't that study misinterpret the compound?

Edit: to be clear, I don't advocate banning DMAA.

qoohhlt

05-02-2012, 09:02 PM

I totally agree we need more personal responsibility. If we didn't have so many young teens taking pre's with 1,3 we may not have many problems with this and it would not be banned. I still wouldn't take it but I would not be in favor of the ban preventing others from using it. But kids are walking into that three letter store and buying jack3d and often times not even following the directions on the label. People at that age often think they are invincible and if they are able to buy it at a store it must be completely safe. But I think we as a society have a duty to protect them from themselves and that's what the government is doing here. Unfortunately, these naive, young, and uninformed consumers are often the ones ruining it for everybody. That's just the way it is as we have to protect young people from themselves.

Agree. They think that eating more means better result but it's not.

ErwinFletcher

05-03-2012, 12:31 AM

tden99

05-03-2012, 03:28 PM

There isn't a whole lot out there on 1,3 but you should google scholar 1,3 dimethylamylamine. You can see there is a guy in NZ who almost died using it as a party drug. However, the dosage is over 500mg which is 20scoops of jacked (BB.com won't sell anything over 25mg a serving). There is also a 10 person study I found and quite an extensive PDF from what I would presume to be the studies from the supplement companies because it specifically lists products. Nothing to indicate much of a problem. A bit of increased blood pressure for epi or norepi but no increased heart rate and these were the results from the 10 person study. I can't post links however because this is my first post. Just had to say something because I love the DMAA supps.

RSPres

05-25-2012, 09:03 AM

I personally don't have a problem with DMAA in controlled doses as it is a powerful stimulant. However, like it or not, is going to be banned as we know it in the market place. What I've begun to do is look for alternatives. I have tried a few: 1-MR, Fast Fuel, Friction, Presurge, etc. Thus far I have liked Fast Fuel the best because it is the closest feeling I got to the 1,3 feel. In addition, it has the most complete nutritional profile with a full dose of BCAAs. I have been taking two scoops of Fast Fuel before every workout and it has been giving me the best results. Second to that I'd have to say 1-MR, which formerly had 1,3 but was reformulated. Any thoughts on the best pre-workouts without 1,3?

Diesel0022

05-25-2012, 09:06 AM

powercage

05-25-2012, 09:07 AM

Focus XT, White Flood, Fierce, Maximize

Fixed :D

neuron

05-25-2012, 09:09 AM

A bit of increased blood pressure...but no increased heart rate and these were the results from the 10 person study. I can't post links however because this is my first post. Just had to say something because I love the DMAA supps.

If I infuse a person with phenylephrine, their heart rate will decrease, so does this mean it's not "much of a problem?"

Diesel0022

05-25-2012, 09:12 AM

Fixed :D

Not a fan of many pre's, fierce has worked its way off my personal list. Im more of a noot whore now.

Stole that guys stack^^

powercage

05-25-2012, 09:15 AM

Not a fan of many pre's, fierce has worked its way off my personal list. Im more of a noot whore now.

Stole that guys stack^^

I do think that Focus XT should get a bit more love on the forums. At least for an every day pick me up :D

Diesel0022

05-25-2012, 09:18 AM

I do think that Focus XT should get a bit more love on the forums. At least for an every day pick me up :D

Add a racetam and its quite enjoyable, or you can be like my gym buddy and just pop adderol pre workout lol

misfit28

05-25-2012, 09:31 AM

No reason to be scared. Just take moderate amounts as listed on the label and everything should be fine. Those two soldiers probably overdosed on it.

^^^^This. Most people take things too far, and don't pay attention to labelling.

Jdm9499

05-25-2012, 10:39 AM

Having a company like GNC defend this supp, while defying the FDA and keeping products with 1,3 on the shelves (at least in my local store in NYC, along with VitaminShoppe) is a good indication of its safety. It was also interesting to see VitaminShoppe's and GNC stock slightly rise after the FDA announced the crack down while both companies held their stance. That same day, when the FDA cited their ruling on the supplement, Amazon announced they were pulling the product, and their stock slightly dipped. Strange. I guess I would too be susspisious of the FDA cracking down on a product that has "potential" harmful side affects when abused, while other "legal" products available to 18+ folks kill hundreds of thousands of people, i.e cigarettes. Yet those are still "legal"....huh.

You can read the article, which I found compelling, of GNC's stance on 1,3 along with their independent studies and insight of FDA's crackdown, here - (I don't have 50 posts yet, so can't post a link in it's entirety) http : //bit.ly/IrcU4A

Thoughts?

bassplaya1213

05-25-2012, 11:19 AM

Obviously he didn't. I'm trying to help the populace use their heads, one idiot at a time. Use this amazing thing called Google and there you would find 100 other threads on DMAA in this forum alone. This thread never would have had to be made, and OP wouldn't look dumb. There's no reason for people to continuously post Creatine Threads, but they do. I'm trying to educate people. Teach them to build a fire instead of just making it for them.

Now how does that make you feel?

You could have answered the question by the time you typed all this out. Next time should probably just shut up