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ncage
07-07-2003, 10:25 PM
Ok guys here goes...this post will allow those willing to take the extra steps to insure the utmost sterililty for injections. What I will assume and i won't cover in this post is im assuming the solution your injecting is sterile (i will leave that for another post).

Here is one important but crucial point:

never ever and i mean EVER use a needle twice. Its the most stupid thing you can do. Needles are EXTREMLY cheap and there is no reason why you should have to use them twice. I will explain where the problems come in. No matter how hard you scrub with soap (antibacterial doesn't matter) you skin has a flora of microbes. Some of these microbs actually help us. Yea scrubbing with soap does help but within a few hours the population is back up. These bacteria are harmless when on the skin but if they get inside your blood stream there can be major problems. If for some reason you have to pull the needle out of your skink; DO NOT REUSE IT. Throw away the needle and put a new one on the syringe.

Here are the steps i take (feel free to include or omit steps, of course the more steps you incluce the more sterile you will remain)

1) clens the area with an alcohol swab. Go in a circular motion from the inner most part to the outer most part. Try not to go over an area twice

2) Get a cotton swab and lightly soak it with a Betadine solution (ill explain what this is below). Again use same motion that you used for the swab.

--If you ever watched surgeons scrub in. That black substance they use when they are scrubbing thier body is betadine. It is an EXTREMLY good antibacterial solution (why do you think surgeons would scrub in using it?). Yes it is a little expensive 10-12 a bottle but it will last you a LONG time. Be extremly careful when using it. Anything it gets on, it will stain badly.

3) clean the top of each vial (if you are using vials) with a alcohol swab per vial.

4) Ok now that you have sterilized the injection site open the needle/syringe in the following way. Grab the two flaps at the top making sure not to touch the needle. If you have to put the needle onto the syringe use the cap and slightly twist the cap so it slides onto the syringe. NEVER EVER TOUCH THE METAL PART OF THE NEEDLE TO ANYTHING. If it touches anything throw it away.

Something i will state for the book is generally i don't like the idea of putting multiple types of gear in the same syringe and i will tell you why; there is a chance for cross contamination when sticking the needle into two vials but i do admint i do it. Because if you inject some of those high alcohol solutions you won't be walking right for a couple of days as we all know. So only way to improve the burn is to dilute it with something else. Of course the best way would be to somehow mix everything in one vial.

Where do i get all of this information or am i just pulling this out of my ass? Nope, i use to be in the medical field and am still registered.

Well guys, hope you enjoyed this litle post and stay sterile!!!

Peace,
Ncage

armlessleg
07-07-2003, 10:44 PM
thanks for taking your time out and writing that. many beginners fail to realize the importance of sterilization. i knew a guy who used the same needle and syringe for a whole cycle. stupid. why gamble with your health.
i do everything that u do except for the betadine solution. if fact never even heard of it. but ill see about getting some to further make my practice more sanitary and steril.

by the way. where do u get the betadine solution from. can u get it from walmart or something or do u have to go to a pharmacy.

BOZZ
07-07-2003, 11:42 PM
BUMP although when i first read the title of this thread i was a bit confused LOL

EAE
07-08-2003, 12:18 AM
Isn't it also good to shave the area you want to inject?

ncage
07-08-2003, 07:03 AM
Originally posted by EAE
Isn't it also good to shave the area you want to inject?


Depends on the person. Yes they will shave an area sometimes for surgery when its extremly hairy but shaving can somtimes irritate the area and make things worse. I guess it worth a try

Pie-Bald
07-08-2003, 07:14 AM
Is it important to avoid hair follicles? Does injecting into a follicle always cause a problem or just increase the likelyhood of one?

MurphMan
07-08-2003, 11:47 AM
I'd add one thing. In reference to mixing gear, I would use one needle to draw from multiple vials. Use like an 18 or 20 gauge as it is faster. Once the gear is mixed, just swap to a new sterile shooting needle and your are all set. That way you don't have to worry about sticking the same needle in multiple vials and then in your skin.

RetiredMod
07-08-2003, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by BOZZ
BUMP although when i first read the title of this thread i was a bit confused LOL
haha me too

good post ncage

Soop
07-08-2003, 03:06 PM
LOL, When I read the title, I thought you were making a thread about sperm count, keeping from getting chicks knocked up. haha.

But good post.

pogue
07-08-2003, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by armlessleg
by the way. where do u get the betadine solution from. can u get it from walmart or something or do u have to go to a pharmacy.

i wanna know this too

ncage
07-08-2003, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by Pie-Bald
Is it important to avoid hair follicles? Does injecting into a follicle always cause a problem or just increase the likelyhood of one?

Nah its not that important. Nurses never go searching around to make sure the are not injecting in a hair folicle. The only reason the shave some people before surgery, if a person is very hairy and the hair would get into the way or could contaminate a otherwise sterile area. I wouldn't recommend ever shaving the site of injection, only think you are going to do is inflame your hair folicles with shaving.

Peace,
Ncage

ncage
07-08-2003, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by MurphMan
I'd add one thing. In reference to mixing gear, I would use one needle to draw from multiple vials. Use like an 18 or 20 gauge as it is faster. Once the gear is mixed, just swap to a new sterile shooting needle and your are all set. That way you don't have to worry about sticking the same needle in multiple vials and then in your skin.

Not a bad idea at all murph...i never thought about that at all and i think its a great idea. Of course in the medical field they don't do that (mix solutions together like that) so my training wouldn't have taught me anything like that but i think its a great idea.

Peace,
Ncage

ncage
07-08-2003, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by pogue
i wanna know this too

Sorry guys i missed the question before. Yes you can get it from Walmart or any pharmacy will have it (walgreens, CVS, ect..). They usually have a name brand and a generic solution. I always buy the generic solution. If you can't find it, just ask im sure they will know exactly where you can find it.


Peace,
Ncage

ncage
07-08-2003, 10:09 PM
it feels great when you guys take the time to appreciate what i have posted. I just wanted to thank everyone.

Peace,
Ncage

RetiredMod
07-09-2003, 12:56 PM
bump for more to see

MurphMan
07-09-2003, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by ncage
Not a bad idea at all murph...i never thought about that at all and i think its a great idea. Of course in the medical field they don't do that (mix solutions together like that) so my training wouldn't have taught me anything like that but i think its a great idea.

Peace,
Ncage

Thanks ncage. Glad to assist! :)

EAE
07-09-2003, 03:58 PM
Wouldn't this be good enough to move to the "Best of" section?

Soop
07-09-2003, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by MurphMan
I'd add one thing. In reference to mixing gear, I would use one needle to draw from multiple vials. Use like an 18 or 20 gauge as it is faster. Once the gear is mixed, just swap to a new sterile shooting needle and your are all set. That way you don't have to worry about sticking the same needle in multiple vials and then in your skin.

Isn't this a general rule, whether mixing solutions or using one? Don't draw and shoot with the same needle? That's how I've always done it.

Apothes
07-10-2003, 12:02 AM
BUMP

Can we get this into a sticky? I think its a valuable resource worth preserving.

BOZZ
07-10-2003, 12:11 AM
Originally posted by EAE
Wouldn't this be good enough to move to the "Best of" section?

I like the idea I think i'll do just that ;)




bOZz

ncage
07-12-2003, 05:57 PM
I kind of feel special now that one of my post was put as a sticky. I will try to keep up the quality post guys.

Peace,
Ncage

hardlabor
07-17-2003, 09:50 PM
Is it ok to use one CC from a vial one week and the other CC in the same vial the next week? Or is it more sterile to use all the solution in the vial at once?

d piece
07-17-2003, 10:35 PM
Are you talking about vials or amps? Because if you actually mean vials there could be anything from 9 to 49cc left, in which case no you would not want to use it all at once, it is ok to leave stuff in vials.
It sounds like you are talking about amps though, I think it is best to use the amp all at one time but I really am not sure.

pogue
07-18-2003, 02:15 AM
Just on a side note, I found out Betadine is basically iodine. They also make some versions for hosptials, specifically surgical scrubs like ncage was talking about. Anyway, here's some info:

http://www.pharma.com/html/Our_products/Betadine_Microbicides.htm

hardlabor
07-18-2003, 10:11 PM
I meant to add something in my last post, but I forgot. It is best to use isopropyl alcohol 90% or above to clean injection sites, that is what they sell it for. You can buy 90%+ rubbing alcohol at most big stores or pharmacies; Target sells 91%. I am a novice in AS but not in injections.