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NorwichGrad
01-21-2012, 04:12 PM
It's worth watching.



http://bit.ly/o9gNNs

ljimd
01-21-2012, 04:21 PM
Thanx - great post.

paolo59
01-21-2012, 04:31 PM
Incredible! I believe this is from Ken Burns' production/documentary of the Civil War. One tremendous work!

NYkarate
01-21-2012, 04:47 PM
Ken Burn's Civil War was the best documentary I have ever watched and I have watched a lot of them in my life.

Keltron
01-21-2012, 04:51 PM
Thanks NG. It's great that they were able to look at eachother as unified countrymen by then. May we never have division like that ever again.

CaptChip40
01-21-2012, 04:56 PM
May we never have division like that ever again.

I'm afraid you may not be correct.

Kraken
01-21-2012, 05:33 PM
I'm afraid you may not be correct.

I fear we will be divided again, much sooner than later. These last elections and hard times are sure proof of that.

BTW, the numbers from that video are staggering..

Number of American lives lost...
In the korean war, 48,891.
In the Vietnam war, 58,167.
In WWI 116,516.
In the Civil War 624,511.

crupiea
01-21-2012, 05:39 PM
Superb video.

They were our great grandfathers.

LisaSkinnoble
01-21-2012, 06:01 PM
I fear we will be divided again, much sooner than later. These last elections and hard times are sure proof of that.

BTW, the numbers from that video are staggering..

Number of American lives lost...
In the korean war, 48,891.
In the Vietnam war, 58,167.
In WWI 116,516.
In the Civil War 624,511.

Those numbers are staggering.

And I fear you are quite right. I've feared that for a few years now.

crupiea
01-21-2012, 06:24 PM
Those numbers are staggering.

And I fear you are quite right. I've feared that for a few years now.

You think thats bad, check out this list of people classified as Last Known Alive from Vietnam.

http://open.salon.com/blog/ostephanie/2008/10/15/last_known_alive

GuyJin
01-21-2012, 07:21 PM
Excellent post and thank you for the vid-link. Ken Burns is unquestionably the finest Civil War documentary maker and has done the memory of both sides--right or wrong--proud. The divisions now within American society are deep, yes, but hopefully history will not repeat itself.

paolo59
01-21-2012, 10:36 PM
[QUOTE=GuyJin;818276201]Excellent post and thank you for the vid-link. Ken Burns is unquestionably the finest Civil War documentary maker and has done the memory of both sides--right or wrong--proud. The divisions now within American society are deep, yes, but hopefully history will not repeat itself.[/QUOTE

It will not. I don't know what we will become. But whatever, it will not see hundreds of thousands dead and dying. We will either turn and remember our roots, our founding, what is of worth, or we will come to rely upon someone else to make our ends meet. There are those who look for that; I do believe. Ha ha, just guess what I think?

paolo59
01-21-2012, 10:38 PM
Superb video.

They were our great grandfathers.

Makes you stop and think, no?

NorwichGrad
01-22-2012, 01:44 AM
I have been to the Vietnam Memorial in DC many times. I also visited Gettysburg once. This blew my mind:

"The Wall"has the names of some 50,000 Americans who died in a ten year span. In The Battle of Gettysburg roughly 44,000 Americans on both sides were killed in FOUR DAYS. Something to think about.

NorwichGrad
01-22-2012, 01:51 AM
Thanks NG. It's great that they were able to look at eachother as unified countrymen by then. May we never have division like that ever again.

I agree. The country is so polarized. Sometimes we have to stop and learn from the past.

NYkarate
01-22-2012, 04:09 AM
I have been to the Vietnam Memorial in DC many times. I also visited Gettysburg once. This blew my mind:

"The Wall"has the names of some 50,000 Americans who died in a ten year span. In The Battle of Gettysburg roughly 44,000 Americans on both sides were killed in FOUR DAYS. Something to think about.

Now that is good perspective. Hard to beat the Civil War and WWI for single battle casualties (i.e. the Battle of the Somme).

I visited Gettysburg when I was a kid, also Valley Forge which wasn't all that far. Great trips and would go back.

Keltron
01-22-2012, 08:32 AM
In the Civil War 624,511. Does that include civilian casualties?

paolo59
01-22-2012, 09:37 AM
It is amazing to think. My maternal grandfather was born in 1878, just 13 years after the end of the Civil War. He had uncles who fought for the Confederacy. It seems so long ago, but when you really look at it by 'generations' it's much more recent than one realizes! Hell, I was born just 14 years after the end of World War II. LOL I'm getting old!!!

Kraken
01-22-2012, 10:29 AM
Does that include civilian casualties?

Not sure, it didn't say, just said "American lives". So obviously one thing that increases the number is the fact that both sides were Americans. There also was no getting out of a fight unless you ran and hid. Every male, both adult and child over the age of 13, was a possible soldier.

Anyway, I also know that the rich idiots would sit on top of hills, overlooking the first parts of the war, and watch. Many stray bullets would hit the onlookers. There have been a few cases in which people, refusing to leave their homes, caught stray bullets while in their homes, but I don't know if this is historically accurate.